Plumbing, DWV, Drain, Waste, Vent. RE:IMBD LLC
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2021
- Plumbing, DWV, Drain, Waste, Vent. RE:IMBD LLC; DWV Plumbing for above garage with conditioned living space over garage; working the DWV fittings within and throughout the floor joists
I know you guys worked hard on your bathroom plumbing, but that system would only pass code if your brother was the plumbing inspector. This could have been plumbed with one wet vent from the lav. All of those short 90 degree turns under the floor are illegal. The offset in that tub/shower drain, which turns it into a s-trap, is illegal. All of the plumbing would need access since you used a cleanout on the 3" pipe and a removable p-trap on the tub/shower. The vent for the tub/shower has a dry horizontal run under the floor which is only legal under certain circumstances when a wet vent can't be used, and this situation is not the one. The only reason I am being critical of your work is that people may look at this and think this is the correct way to run a drain and vent system for a bathroom, when in fact it is incorrect, and far too much pipe and fittings were used for a simple single bath system.
Thank you for your evaluation. The 90 degree DWV piping are at and for vertical vents; not waste pipes. The plumbing does have an access door panel for the clean-out. There is a "P" trap; not an "S" trap. Please describe further, why you think this is not legal and why you think it is an "S" trap and not a "P" trap -when the configuration includes a P trap under the tub. And, please describe how you think the work should be done-given that the work must be done between two floor joists in a not conditioned space above a garage. And if you can, please explain why you think this will not drain or vent correctly; -so far, it seems to be working correctly. Thank you for your evaluation and comments.
@@HomeBuildingDIY.RE.IMBDLLC With a single bathroom group this could have been plumbed with one wet vet at the lavatory. All pipes have to be on the same level with the lav wet vent venting the tub first and the water closet last. More than likely, this whole bathroom could have been vented with a Studor vent (Air Admittance Valve) so you did not have to go through the roof.
I'm sure your system works but is not by code, sorry. You can't have horizontal dry vents. Your tub drain is not on the same hydraulic gradient as your vent, so you have created a s-trap. Basically, after the vent for your tub, you went up at a 45-degree angle and then back to horizontal to catch your p-trap for the tub. As soon as you rose 45 degrees you broke the air flow from your vent
You can't jump up a non vented line before your p-trap or it will create an s-trap. Because of the tub overflow and the 2" trap into an 1 1/2 inch horizontal it shouldn't leak sewer gas, seen it a hundred times when you turn into the sub floor makes sure you come out high enough to keep the trap in the subfloor. The clean out is fine but there's no way I'd use a k60 on a ladder. I'd either go through the vent stack, the tub over flow, or pull the toilet, and no a compression p -trap is not a clean out, you can just run a super vee through the overflow.
After 49 years in the trade it's refreshing to find another fellow plumber that knows and understands the rules. Will this system work? Sure. Does it meet code? Not a chance.@@tomdavis3495
I would not have published this anywhere. Do you have any plumbing codes where you live? Sooooooo many code violations. There is no way this passed inspection by a state inspector.
you can't fall more than your pipe diameter before venting a trap. your tub is a full blown S-trap and would not pass inspection. you used so much pipe individually venting all of the fixtures. You could've wet vented the entire bathroom group and went up the wall with 1 continuous waste and vent saving way more pipe and fittings.
How i wouldve done it:
90 under the water closet, run back to the wall, install a 3X3X2 wye, shoot through the floor joist, install a 2 X 2 X 1 1/2 wye (2" for the wet vent to continue up the wall to the Lav, and the 1 1/2 branch to catch the bath tub) And then 90 up into the floor/ wall with my wet vent upstairs. install a 2 X 1 1/2 X 1 1/2 TY and shoot over in the wall and 90 out to catch my Lav. Then run the SINGLE continuous waste vent pipe up to the attic tying into my main stack if it is in close enough proximity. If not, I would put it through the roof by itself upsizing to 3" before terminating to open air.
This way would save you tons of pipe and fittings and it would look a ton better. Remind you this is dependent on the Ontario plumbing code and it is how I would've done it in my jurisdiction.
Exactly
Nice job, but how will you get to a cleanout in a finished basement ceiling? And why so many vents? No idea what your doing. Call a plumber.
There is a trap door to access the cleanout; after the finished ceiling; and vent's do not need cleanouts as no waste travels through them. Vents are required for each plumbing waste fixture. So we think the work is OK, to code and good work. Thank you for reviewing the work.
In my 29 years of plumbing In CO MA CT NYC and CA, Ive seen more crazy stuff on RUclips than I have ever seen in the field. Where are these people and what state is this?
On tonight’s episode of…Amateur Hour
It unfortunate we couldnt roll the main drain line in the next bay to the right to hit the vent without rollibg flat.
In our locale flat vents are required to be the next min pipe dia up servicing the drain load, pitched to drain, and require drainage standard fittings (those vent 90's- no; vert to horizontal- long sweep) until you are 6" above the highest flood rim of the group or 42" above FF which ever is higher.
Your bath drain could be be considered an s trap if your drain arm changes horizontal plane before venting without increasing pipe size.
In the future hit yor vent before your drainage arm changes out of horizontal.
Planing is everything.
Which state os this because normally the vent has to be at a 45 degree below the water line as well a low heal inlet which is a short sweep for a toilet. The 2 inch vent outlet is designed in to the fitting. Also the one vent hole does noy leave 2 inches of parical for the TGI
Hello, pls fix me if i wrong, could you pls explain for me why we use elbow 90 degree for branch pipe ? Such as lavabo ? Cause i understand we have to use 2 elbows 45 degree for sanitary. Thank you.
Was that a 2" for the toilet?
It unfortunate we couldnt roll the main drain line in the next bay to the right to hit the vent without rollibg flat.
In our locale flat vents are required to be the next min pipe dia up servicing the drain load and require drainage fitings until you are 6" abovr the highest flood rim of yhe group or 42" above FF which ever is higher.
I never see that kind plumbing job,, in Los Ángeles never pass inspection line that
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
They took one look at this and decided to choose the worst possible way to do it
With so many large holes in that engineered joist I’d be concerned with compromising its integrity, I’m not a framer so not sure, but as a plumber… no jurisdiction I’ve ever worked in would have approved it. The slip joint trap on the tub is a really bad idea, tubs clog quite easily and a snake can push it apart
Agreed. Shouldn’t be boring holes through the joists like that unless you reinforce the joists which approved supports. This would fail inspection everywhere
The 90 degrees are vertical vent pipes; not waste line pipes.
At 0:29 both horizontal dry (unwashed) vents below flood rim of fixture defy proper code.
Nice work!
Where's your trap keep fumes out ?
So u put a clean out in the ceiling 😢 and u installed a trap with union in ceiling that will leak at some time
I don’t know where u r in the U.S but your inspector must be your brother or doesn’t know the code
Why not wet vent I feel like there’s so much wasted pipe here but maybe I’m crazy. But also if any of this leaks in the future everything you’ve just done in that ceiling is gonna have to be cut out because of how close the fittings are
Thank you for your evaluation. Please tell us what "wet venting is" and how you would implement that as an alternative to the structure built.?
@@HomeBuildingDIY.RE.IMBDLLC so basically a wet vent allows you to run all these drains without having to separately vent everything it’s a bit hard to type out but you could’ve saved yourself a lot of time and material
With your suggestion; we looked up the definition of a wet vent....Wet Vent Definition: A waste pipe that also serves as a vent pipe. Wet venting is most common in conjunction with toilets and sinks; the drain for the sink is also the vent for the toilet. ....not sure if we could have implemented this...but thanks for bringing it to our attention....we appreciate the evaluation with other building strategies.
One 2" wet vent would have been able to vent the bathroom group.@@HomeBuildingDIY.RE.IMBDLLC
video is good👍
What state are you in?
China
What about when you have a main line stoppage your vent 90's are going to be full of waste
There is a clean-out at the end; and there are cleanouts or accesses above for the waste pipes; and the some of the rising pipes are vents and so would not have contents entering and clogging.
There is a trap door to access the cleanout; after the finished ceiling; and vent's do not need cleanouts as no waste travels through them. Vents are required for each plumbing waste fixtures. So we think the work is OK, to code and good work. Thank you for reviewing the work.
No sir. What he is saying is that you have flat vents
If there's a backup, water and solids can clog the vents rendering them useless
A vent cannot be horizontal unless it's 6 inches above the flood level rim
@@zachcoleman6285 though u are right. he may be saying he could wet-venting instead of saying vent. even tho not every fixture needs to be vented when using the wet vent method. and wet vents are for bathroom groups only
The Tub drain connection looked very crooked, pray it doesn't leak.🤣😂. Even the vent running along the 2x4 looked crooked.
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
2 obvious violations are the 2 -2" horizontal dry vents below flood rim of fixture served.@@HomeBuildingDIY.RE.IMBDLLC
Was this inspected
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
Uh Oh stickers on the fittings thats your first give away...lol
My plumbing inspector won't approve short turn 90s even if they are on vents only
, in Cali u won't pass inspection
Anything after 135* needs a clean out. I guess your trying to do a continuous waste and vent? If not that’s not how you vent fixtures… Plus that tub drain should of been bushed at the start not at the end.
That’s a lot of weird shit going on
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
section 908.2 HWV, this wasted so much material and labor, since all the plumbing was on the same floor this could have been applied
To many code violations
Even Ray Charles can see this wont pass inspection.
Thats alot of slope for a vent...
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
Not one thing is vented there lol
So many extra unnecessary couplings/fittings. ALso, that clean out is completely pointless. not only because its going to be buried in the ceiling but because each fixture that requires a ptrap should have an accessible cleanout. So many red flags here. Union trap for a tub like that ?!?!?!
Wth 🤦🏾♂️
Good try but definitely a fail the fittings are wrong you need to redo everything get a real plumber to do it has all the fitting to use the wrong way the toilet is the way the tub is all wrong but good try a for effort
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
all wrong, it won't pass inspection, the toilet should be the last fixture
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
Next time call a real plumber.
This work passed inspection; works well; and was built out of necessity given the circumstances; and is built to code. I invite any and all critics of it to cite any particular reason or cite and list any particular code that they think the work has violated (if they think it has-we do not think it has violated any code); and the critic should offer an building alternative suggestion of how to build the plumbing to work and be in code given the circumstance (compared to unsupported critical words). Wish you well. Apartment Manager : )
is the inspector your friend?
@@HomeBuildingDIY.RE.IMBDLLC it may have passed inspection, but it is not built per any code, at least not any ICC/IAPMO code. Show this to a licensed plumber and he will tell you (if he knows what he's talking about) everything that is wrong. Too hard to type everything out and describe from a video, a lot easier to point out on site or pause video