Shelley Duvall is playing a character who's playing a character of "happy wife" her upbeatness and happiness is supposed to be forced cos she's pretending, even to herself, that's she's happy and not terrified of jack 24/7.
@@paranoidandroid4956 Jack Nicholson himself said he's never seen an actor work so hard or endure so much as Shelley did. That says quite a bit about what Shelley went through. Jack's been in a lot of movies and worked with a lot of people over the years.
Hannah: "I remember trying to GET an imaginary friend. That's how sad my life was!" Oh my gosh, that is comedy gold. Use that line in a script, Hannah!
IKR? I screamed when I've heard that 😂 I also wanted an imaginary friend but couldn't imagine one 😂 it just didn't work 😂 like Hannah said 'it was totally in my power and still I couldn't get one' 😂
Everyone has already commented on the fact that Shelley Duvall was told to act that way. But no one has pointed out WHY. She is an abused woman. Jack is an abuser. She ALWAYS acts the way she thinks will not bring abuse to her or her son. And her way is to be overly cheerful and fake. Jack knows it's fake, but as an abuser takes pleasure in knowing he's dominating her in such a way that she feels the need to act. Great reaction as usual! 10/10
every single second of Shelley's acting was to make you underestimate her exactly the way you did. it's not nearly as scary if she is strong and confident throughout (like in the book). her naïve innocence makes it that much more horrifying when she is backing away from Jack. it also makes it much more believable that someone as passive and sweet as her would stay both at the hotel *and* in an abusive relationship for as long as she did.
Agreed. Personally, I haven't read the books, but if she was so strong willed and firm in the book as some people in the comments say, it doesn't make sense to me that she would put up with her husband mistreating her son and her. She would fight back from the start. Granted, she could have been strong willed once and the marriage to Jack destroyed her spirit. Still, it's more inspiring when a weaker one punches up.
This movie is boring... sometimes I think that movies are just not for me, nor are TV shows... "Why are you here then?"... nobody said I can't comment.
What bothers people of Shelly's performance is her mannerisms that seemed fake, not believable... until you've met a person just like her. I had a Jr. High teacher that acted just like that. Peppy, exaggerated interest in small talk & joy. Almost condescendingly fake. But they exist. Either hiding what's wrong in their lives by putting on a face, a show, too look like they are alright. Clearly this character wasn't alright to begin with.
Interesting...the Wikipedia entry on Shelly Duvall says, "She initially received negative reviews for her performance in the latter ("The Shining"), but received widespread acclaim for it in the decades following its release." I will say that Kubrick is known as a perfectionist, often shooting scenes over and over dozens of times until they are "right". So Duvall's performance is most likely exactly what Kubrick wanted. If you feel her performance is stiff or unnatural, I think that was the intent - she was meant to never appear comfortable or at ease around Jack. It's also a common theme in many of Kubrick's films to have banal dialogue - where people are talking for the sake of talking and not really for the sake of genuine, meaningful communication.
Shelley Duvall is actually a very talented actress. She won two Best Actress awards for the film 3 Women, and has been nominated for numerous other films. She has a unique personality that comes through in different ways in all her work. Her character in this represents innocence, wifely and motherly devotion. Her stilted walking on egg shells mannerisms are that of what many women in past times had to do because of an overbearing husband which was more the norm back then. In the setting of the hotel and the growing terror of it's isolation she had nobody to turn to and her husband scared the crap out of her. She definitely is not a bad actress. I've seen her in many films since the 70's and always find her compelling.
"When my wife tried preventing me from fulfilling my duties ...... I corrrected her" One of the greatest lines ever because of the delivery & what he's talking about
"Here's Johnny!" Fun Fact: The door that Jack Nicholson chops through with the axe near the end of the film was real. Stanley Kubrick originally shot this scene with a fake door, but Jack Nicholson, who had worked as a volunteer fire marshal and a firefighter in the California Air National Guard, tore through it too quickly. Now, the absolute scariest moment of this film to me is when Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) wife Wendy Torrance (Shelley Duvall) realizes that he's just been writing the same sentence over and over and over from the very beginning, and then he's RIGHT THERE! Shelley Duvall who has the most wonderful eyes and who's so underrated, her reactions throughout the film are unfortunately largely genuine as Stanley Kubrick terrorised the poor woman relentlessly. Also, big shout out to Danny "Doc" Torrance (Danny Lloyd) for being the smartest person ever in a horror film with that walking-backwards-in-snow trick.
I like her movements in the film. She looks emaciated and just worn down from that place and all the emotion. Just imagine what she's going through, her husband is trying to kill her and her son with an ax and she's trapped in a haunted hotel surrounded by snow storm.. Also, she's just an oddly built actress. Haha. I wouldn't doubt her entire body is double-jointed and she weighs 80lbs in this. There's a reason she played Oliv Oyl in Popeye..
half right.. The normal prop door was fake and he shredded it. So they had to make a reinforced door to slow him down. But both were were all 'prop' doors.
A real shame she was nominated a Razzie for Worst Performance. I'm really hoping that someday, more people actually recognize how amazing she is. Especially with what she had to go through on-set.
Shelley Duvall went through absolute hell on this shoot. There's huge back story, maybe more than any other movie I've ever seen. Once you go down the rabbit hole, it's absolutely fascinating
For me, the best part (besides the obvious iconic part of Jack goin' at the door with the axe), is when Shelley comes up on what he's been writing... and the entire stack of papers has the same line over and over. That means, he didn't just become crazy in the last week or two... He's been insane basically the entire time they've been there.
Thanks for highlighting why Stephen King isn’t a fan of this film; Jack shouldn’t be crazy from the beginning but should have started as a friendly, everyday family man and then get gradually crazy the longer he’s in the hotel (like in the book), so while Nicholson did a great performance, it isn’t like the book 😂
@@JJCommentary The book is a metaphor for drug abuse that leads to familial abuse. The movie is sort of a demonstration of abusive relationships and how they affect the victims. They have different messages and if you just say "the book is better because he starts off good" then you don't seem to get it
Stunned by your coments on Shelley Duvall. Her performance in my view was outstanding and she was literally psychologically tortured by Kubrick during the making of this movie!
About the acting of the wife... All the actors are acting exactly as the director Stanley Kubrick wanted them to act. The personality of her character is just perfect for the story. The movie is a masterpiece in many levels.
I dont get the part where she has to swing like 200 times before connecting to her husband and I dont get the part where the son has to run 20 freaking minutes. Too redundant and boring to me.
@@shynobody3191 Yeah the making of The Shining is intense. Watching her continuously lose it with Kubrick and watching him smile as she walks away in frustration. It wasn't just her though. Many people got frustrated physically and emotionally wrecked over the many many many takes for the most mundane scenes. Pretty sure it was this movie where the cast printed a shirt saying "I survived scene ???, I can't remember which one.
Kubrick was certainly fascinating for his bold choices. I personally can't stand some of the exaggerated facial expressions in this movie, Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, etc. To me it just comes across as trying WAY too hard to be creepy and instead looks really silly.
The thing about Shelley Duvall's performance is that she was literally pushed to act that way. The moments where she showed fear(on the staircase with the bat when she hit Jack with it, her face of pure terror in the bathroom with the axe, etc) is direct result of how Stanley Kubrick and Jack Nicholson treated her on set. She was constant fear of those two.
Thank you for mentioning this. They need to put some respect on Shelly Duvall's name. She went through hell filming this movie to execute someone else's vision.
Where did you hear that Jack Nicholson had anything to do with her treatment on set ? I've read multiple stories about how the actress was mistreated but it was always by Stanley Kubrick and I always read how Jack Nicholson complained about Kubrick's behaviour and how the actress deserved more praise for the film. "Nicholson was particularly offended on Duvall's behalf, saying that hers was the most difficult role he had ever seen an actor take on." "Kubrick was rather abusive of Shelley Duvall during filming. He would gaslight her by having assistants tell her to take a break only to yell "ACTION!" just as she was relaxing or eating so she'd have to jump right into a scene without warning or preparation. He'd also loudly berate her whenever the slightest thing went wrong and condescendingly shoot down any and all complaints she had about filming conditions, the script, or her health, all in order to make her feel as distressed as her character. Jack Nicholson realized this but resisted the urge to just give her a hug, which probably helped her freak out effectively when Jack came after her with an ax. When Duvall reflected on this experience, she eventually realized that Kubrick was actually getting the best out of her and admitted to having great respect for him for being such a calculating director, but admitted that she wouldn't want to go through a similar experience again."
That is a Myth. Both Nicholson and Kubrik treat her propertly. In the Vivien Kubrik documentary we only can see that Kubrik told her that she got late in an escene. And sure, he told her somewhere that her acting was fake, but he told her straight. He didn`t shout her or anything. The woman told Vivien that she was jeaouls of all the attention Nicholson was getting and that`s it. All that crap about Kubrik treating her like sh..t has no evidence at all. Nicholson even told Kubrik to "take it easy" with the eldery Scatman Crothers. Nicholson have been professional all the time.
She definitely behaved like how an abused and traumatized wife and mother would behave Plus props for Wendy actually doing all the handyman work while Jack just slept and talked to ghosts
The conversation between you two after the movie is one of the many reasons this movie is held in such high regard. It’s a masterpiece that creates so many theories and conversations.
I love watching reactions to see if anyone explains the picture and most people look at it and just say, "I don't get it." I really liked this discussion but I think Ash was not giving her credit because I think she was the closer to making sense of that picture than Ash and anyone else I've watched.
Nah, she said said jack the person was always the caretaker. In 1921 he wasn't even born lol. Hes a just a reborn caretaker by spirit. The picture at the end can't be real. @@mortimerbrewster3671
I wager there will be 10 symbolisms, 2 gaggings, 4 screams, and 7 “Oh shit!”s. Let’s go! The horror that is The Shining is that it’s all in your head as the viewer. Thanks
The woman in the Room 237 in King’s novel is explained to be Lorraine Massey, who used to seduce bellboys who entered her room, and she would end up engaging in sexual acts with them. During her stay at the hotel, she was with a younger man. The young man abandoned her, and Lorraine killed herself in the bathroom of room 237, but her ghost stayed there. Just like Lloyd and Delbert, Lorraine’s ghost can have physical interactions with the guests, and as mentioned above, Danny and Jack came face to face with her.
The more times you watch The Shining, the better it gets. It slowly, insidiously works it's way into you and before you know it, it becomes one of the greatest things you've ever seen. This is a work of pure genius 👏
The "trick" to getting out of one of those mazes is to put your right or left hand out against one wall and never take it away to follow that wall all the way round the various dead ends till you get to the exit. Its not a fast trick, because you might go every wrong way first, buts its a guaranteed to work eventually trick, because you wont end up going in circles.
In the book, the man dressed in a suit is actually Horace Derwent, the mysterious owner of the Overlook Hotel, and the man in the costume (which is a dog in the book) is Roger, a one-time lover of his. The novel provides Roger and Horace's story as an example of atrocities that have happened in the hotel; in a cruel act of domination, Horace instructed Roger to attend one of the hotel's balls in the costume and behave like a dog for the other guests.
Can't overstate why the "Here's Johnny!" is so disturbing and so very funny. Carson was perhaps the most loved TV talk show host of all time in America. That was his introduction before each show from 1962 to 1992, when he retired.
Now = "Who's Johnny?" It's funny how we think of things being timeless but most of them really aren't. How many Zoomers (or late Millennials for that matter) would get the say, Cagney and other pre 1980s memes in the first TMNT movie for example without an internet search? I only did because I saw Looney Tunes reruns in the late 80s-90s. Hell, one of my male coworkers didn't know who Mike Tyson was when I said his famous quote about "plans." That's an extreme example but it's happening.
Even in 1980 few people under thirty knew that "Jack" was a nickname for those named "John". So a character called "Jack" could also legitimately be called a "Johnny" as well.
I loved the opening title scene. It really captures the how isolated they are in the mountains. It's also real. No CGI or staging. Just a birds eye view of the desolation which adds more depth to the narrative of being helpless and alone. Without that drive sequence viewers might wonder why Wendy didn't just leave earlier. It's a long, treacherous, winding road out of there which we see more clearly and connect to because of the opening.
Ash's face! Lol!! Stephen King hated this movie as it deviated so much from the original novel. He vowed never to work with Stanley Kubrick ever again, and that Kubrick will never direct another Stephen King movie. The scene where Shelly Duvall's character Wendy was swinging the bat was filmed 127 times! It became so stressful she lost most of her hair. Jack Nicholson slept on the set between scenes. Kubrick would often get into arguments with Duvall on how her scenes should be filmed. Scatman Crothers, whom played Dick Halloran in the movie, broke down crying after Kubrick filmed his scene in the kitchen 88 times and asked "What do you want from me, Mr. Kubrick??" A fire broke out near the set where the were filming The Empire Strikes Back. The hedge maze scene was very brutal and difficult as most of the camera crew would get lost in the maze for an hour or so. Harrison Ford, Robin Williams, and Robert DeNiro were almost cast Jack Torrance.
There are some really great RUclips videos of those arguments with Shelly and Stanley. Especially the scene where 'Jack' comes back from the room with the naked lady in the bath and he's yelling at 'Wendy' not to F@ck this up for him, and she keeps flinching.... Stanley laid into her and told her to stop doing that, but she later said in an interview (and to your comment about the stress) that she was so scared of Jack she couldn't help it..... but she said it "nicely" about how Kubrick was able to "get the most out of his actors....."
He didn't hate the movie, according to the Wikipedia on the movie he actually was quite unsettled by the movie and enjoyed it, he was just frustrated by Kubricks insistence on playing down the supernatural elements of the story, which King argued needed to be there in order for it to truly count as horror.
@@shawbros Yup. Gotta agree, the CGI ruined it and was not even close to iconic. No psychological torture present. Geez....am I actually giving a thumbs up for psycho-torture? Did I think that or type that? Can they hear me? Better not mention these bats....poor bastard will see them soon enough.
Hey just wanted to say that the follow up to this movie, Doctor Sleep (2019), is an excellent sequel and worth watching (doesn’t have to be a reaction). Also I’ve visited one of the hotels they filmed this at in Yosemite and it’s a gorgeous building.
One of my biggest regrets travelling is missing out on that hotel. The Shining is one of if not my absolute favourite movies. I was in Yosemite and in the village near that hotel but at the time had no idea of it's connection and influence to the movie and the design of the Overlook. I would have made it my #1 priority that day to visit it.
@@RushISVarietyBahwahnee hotel in Yosemite is what they based most of the indoor sets on. But they didn't film in there, apparently it was recreated as a massive set in England
Did you realize the hotel has an "impossible architecture"? Door hinges change between shots, carpet parterns change direction between shots (in the ball scene in front of room 237) etc. The manager's office in the beginning can't have a window. The Torrances appartement's bathroom should be a corner room. Why is there a little stair when entering the housekeeper's appartment, but in the floor there are door, when the rooms behind the doors should be some steps above the hallway level...etc.
The bear was actually the scariest part of the whole movie for me. In the book it’s explained that of all the people in the hotel, there was one person who would be dressed in a bear costume and sexually assaulted by all the men in the hotel. So what was shown in that scene was the bear being forced to perform oral sex on the other man. It’s thought that why this was shown to Wendy is because Jack Torrence has assaulted his son Danny, and Wendy seeing the bear is the hotel showing Wendy that this abuse is happening, it’s always happened, and to some degree she’s known herself and has ignored it. Very overlooked scene, and in this film every frame gives you information.
That part freaked me TF out when I first saw this movie as a kid. I didn't understand what they were doing or why one of them was dressed as a bear, and when they both turned and stared at the camera it sent chills down my spine lmao
Kuberick basically tortured Shelly Duval, making her do take after take. Just the scene on the stairs where Nicholson is threatening her and she has the bat was 127 takes! That exhaustion and emotional breakdown you see from Duval is partially real from so many takes!
No. The exhaustion part was expected by every actor that worked with Kubrick. He was very well known in the buisness for shooting many many takes to get exactly what he wanted, and the actors were warned. He was, on the other hand, apparently very abusive with her verbally between the takes, singling her and her acting out constantly, and just being bitter and disdainful with her all the time. And she did suffer a real breakdown because of that.
42:35 The "Here's Johnny" refers to the fact that Jack is a nickname for John, so he's saying, "I'm here!" But it's also a reference to Johnny Carson, a longtime host of the Tonight Show from the 60s to early 90s, who would be introduced to the audience by his announcer saying, "Ladies and Gentlemen, here's Johnny!"
First commentor of any shining reaction to voice that fact I have seen. Thanks! Thought I was the only one that knew who Johnny Carson was. To add, EVERYONE at the time of the film's debue knew Johnny from The Tonight Show, and thus that line became iconic from the start for many, many years.
"Stanley Kubrick said, “The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.” That means that Jack Torrance is the reincarnation of a guest or someone on staff at the Overlook in 1921."
Loved your reaction, especially "I wonder what kind of novel he's writing?" Some people criticize Shelly Duvall, but Stanley Kubrick is very exacting. He got precisely the performance he wanted from her. He wanted the audience to be annoyed with her as he ramped up the suspense. It says much that the audience sympathizes with Jack for most of the film until he finally goes over the edge.
Regarding the ballroom and bathroom scenes, the way that I have been interpreting this movie, for now, is that when Jack first goes into the ballroom, he says that he would give up or sell his soul for a beer. The next thing you see is Lloyd the Bartender giving him a drink. After this scene, he is approached by Wendy who tells him that there's a crazy lady in room 237. When he goes into the room and finds the woman, he gives himself to her bodily. He gives himself to the hotel, both Body and Soul. I guess you can also state that he gives his Mind to the hotel as well, but exactly when that happens, I'm not sure. At the end, he finally gives his Spirit to the hotel.
Fantastic reaction. Huge props to Hannah for being spot-on with all the observations through the watch. Ash also was absolutely right about the photograph at the ending - the hotel owns Jack's soul now. The sequel film Doctor Sleep helps to explain this a little bit more, and deals with a grown up Danny helping another young child who 'Shines'
This was the only film that the kid who acted as Danny (real name Danny Lloyd) appeared in. Today he's a 50 year-old professor of Biology in a community college in Kentucky.
“She looks high as a kite when she runs”. 🤣 You both spotted some things I missed even after a number of viewings. Love you guys, keep watching these classics!
I think you're actually both right. I think the hotel pulls you in. But I think he's the reincarnated caretaker from the past. People have been debating the end of this movie since it came out the fact that we are still discussing this makes it such a classic
42:34: A famous American late night talk show host, Johnny Carson. “Here’s Johnny!” is the catchphrase the announcer used to introduce him in every episode. Interestingly, Stephen King hated this film, even though it’s considered one of the greatest horror films ever, because the book was probably King’s most personal work, as it was an allegory for his own real life struggles with drugs and alcohol (the story is about a man who is corrupted and destroyed by forces beyond his control, similarly to getting drunk). He didn’t like a lot of the changes Stanley Kubrick made, like how it’s obvious Jack is evil from the beginning, instead of him being a good man who’s slowly corrupted, the fact that Wendy is very weak and cowardly, the fact that Dick dies (he survives and helps Wendy and Danny escape in the book, and only dies in the sequel book Doctor Sleep), or Tony just being an imaginary friend, when he was an actual person talking to Danny in the book (in the tv miniseries he’s a grownup Danny from the future, sending his mind back in time to help little Danny. I don’t know if it’s the same in the book).
You two should follow this up with Doctor Sleep (2019). It's a sequel movie that came out nearly 40 years later and is FANTASTIC! It stars Ewan McGregor as a grown up Danny. Unfortunately a lot of people wait too long to watch it and miss a lot of the callbacks to The Shining. You should definitely watch it with The Shining fresh on your mind!
"Stanley Kubrick said, “The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.” That means that Jack Torrance is the reincarnation of a guest or someone on staff at the Overlook in 1921. Jack is left in the snow and freezes to death, and it's implied that the Overlook continued with its cycle of murder by bringing in more reincarnations of past workers. Jun 9, 2022" That's why the guy told Jack "you've always been here ." He was reincarnated, so his spirit has been there since the beginning . .
Shelley Duvall needed therapy after this. The director drove her to a breakdown filming this. Here's Johnny was the catch phrase for the Johnny Carson Show, which was THE late night show at the time. Everyone watched it in the 70s
Right?? As a woman, I can say truthfully that most women don't look forward to having to cook meals 3 meals a day, but if she willingly brings u food because she loves you and wants to support u, now that is something to hold onto! She's a keeper!
I watch a lot of reaction videos and Hannah is one of the more consistently perceptive and intelligent reactors on RUclips. She understands this movie very well from the first watch. Took me two or three to really get it and she's pretty much there
I can't stop laughing at how Hannah is 99% correct most of the time and Ash is going off on some wildly confident tangent that tries to throw Hannah off the actual SIMBA LIZUM
"Johnny" is Johnny Carson, the origianl host of the tonight show who's footsteps Letterman, Leno, Conan, etc. all followed in. He was introduced with "Ladies and gentleman, heeeere's Johnny!" every show.
What I like most about this movie is that we don't know if the parents have had a lapse in their sanity or if the hotel is actually haunted and had possesed Jack
How to solve virtually any maze: Pick a wall, put you hand against it, now follow that wall. Pretend that your hand is stuck to that wall as you follow it around corners, around dead ends, etc. It's not the fastest method, but eventually you should come to the exit. If you have wandered into the center of the maze, it's possible that the wall you pick might be part of a free-standing section not physically connected to the other walls. If so, you will end up going in circles around it. If that happens, switch to the wall on the other side and try again. Most mazes don't have too many free-standing sections of any great size. "Here's Johnny!" is a reference to the intro to The Tonight Show, which was hosted by Johnny Carson from 1962-1992. The co-host would introduce the show and end with "Here's Johnny!" as Carson came out.
i am the same age like the kid character in this movie.... i remember so many things in that movie from my childhood, the clothes he wears, the metal ice cups... i am that kid minus the shining and the weird hotel
The twins are iconic. _This_ is how you do a horror or suspense movie: build it up, with the actors, setting, and camera telling the story---not a bunch of jump cuts and jump-scares (with stingers).
Thanks to both for this reaction. The crack about jacks eyebrows telling a "different story" was 👍👍👍👍 Shelly Duvall...she can definitely act. She acts so well here, that she has you lightly hatin on her.... that's how good she is. some info on the scene where Jack is busting the door in..and Shelley is screaming..the director shot the same scene 17 times....in a row.
Stanley Kubrick as a director enjoyed exercising his own vision in various genres, so his _Full Metal Jacket_ was 'the Kubrick answer to war films', or his _Eyes Wide Shut_ was 'the Kubrick erotic thriller', or _2001: A Space Odyssey_ 'the Kubrick scifi flick'. _The Shining_ became the 'Kubrick horror film', but the author of the original novel, Stephen King, was not a fan of Kubrick's treatment (similar to the authors the other films were based on, with Arthur C Clarke reportedly hating his treatment of 2001). The film adaptation of _The Shining_ became so much about Kubrick's vision, it ended up bearing only a passing resemblance to King's novel. Where King had internally-consistent explanations for a lot of these questions the moviegoer is left with, Kubrick was more about style, mood, ever-increasing and unrelenting tension building through the entire film. For example, would it surprise you to learn that 5-year-old Danny's name was Daniel Anthony Torrance, and that Tony was actually Danny himself, about a decade or so later, near to completing high school, gone back to his earlier self to help guide him through the dangerous maze that was the Overlook Hotel. Kubrick leaves all that type of stuff out as useless baggage in favor of his 'atmosphere', but King wrote it to be necessary exposition to the enjoyment of the plot development.
Well I would say its just shows the visual genius of Kubrick. Like in the novel "Redrum" is written multiple times, but Kubrick saves it really for ONE scene which makes that phrase much scarier than in the book. Kubrick had a real flair for how to capture the desolation. That's why the hotel is so large, expasive and empty to visually sell it much better than the original hotel King based it on. King even did a TV version of the Shining, which was a total flop compared to Kubrick's masterpiece.
In all fairness to Shelly DUvall, she gave exactly the performance Stanley Kubrick wanted. He bullied and emotionally battered her so badly her hair started falling out. She is a very good actress and if the acting it over the top, it's because that's what Kubrick demanded.
Kubrick has a lot of symbolism in this movie. Like 1969 Nasa shirt worn by Danny, or the ending picture where Jack poses with his arms up and down, or the cosplay bj scene observed by Wendy, which is suppose to refer to elite parties held in the mansion (more of that in Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut).
Next up is "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" starring a younger Jack Nicholson. Although not a horror film, you both will love it. Jack was truly an icon in his day.
One theory says that the man in the "bear" costume represents young Danny Torrance (who earlier in the film is shown to have a plush toy) and the man in the tuxedo represents Jack. Tony, Danny’s imaginary friend, is believed by some to be Danny’s way to cope with the trauma of sexual abuse from his father.
I've seen this movie so many times and never caught that symbolism of him selling his soul for a drink and the hotel manipulating each guest individually. You guys are good.
her acting is perfection cus she was suffering soo soo hard with the director Kurbick and with the cast, they kept bullying her and pushing her limit, her hair were falling off during filming!! you guys need to watch the behind the scenes to believe, she was terrified, this movie destroyed her.
Want to know how to agitate Jack Nicholson? Well, apparently, he hates cheese sandwiches. So Stanley Kubrick, director of The Shining, made sure that was all that was available to his star actor. He wanted to ensure he was in the right mood to play a man going insane! Or you could do what Hunter S. Thompson did. As a prank on Jack's birthday, Hunter shone a massive spotlight on his house, while blasting a gruesome recording of a pig being eaten alive by bears. Hunter topped it off by firing his pistol and leaving a freshly-cut elk's heart on Jack's front door. All this was going on while Nicholson and his two daughters hid for their safety in the basement!
In Stephen King’s original novel, there is a character named Horace Derwent, a former owner of the Overlook Hotel, who had a strange relationship with a man dressed in a dog costume. This scene may be Kubrick’s nod to that part of the novel, symbolizing the depravity and hidden sexual perversity associated with the hotel's past.
Well, i think Jack had the Shining as well, but didn't know it, so the hotel shined for Jack and Jack had nobody to explain it to him. Remember Jack LOVES this hotel and never wants to leave. He loves the shining.
To think that Shelley Duvall was criticized and hated when the performance she did was exactly what Kubrick wanted... I mean he literally made her do the same scenes like 40 times none-stop and kept insulting and mistreating her when not filming... She deserved better. This role broke her totally...
Shelley Duvall is playing a character who's playing a character of "happy wife" her upbeatness and happiness is supposed to be forced cos she's pretending, even to herself, that's she's happy and not terrified of jack 24/7.
This is actually a really good point and makes perfect sense.
Poor Shelly was terrorised on set by Kubrick. He was so cruel and heartless towards her, driving her to the very brink
@@paranoidandroid4956 Jack Nicholson himself said he's never seen an actor work so hard or endure so much as Shelley did. That says quite a bit about what Shelley went through. Jack's been in a lot of movies and worked with a lot of people over the years.
Wendy is crazy. All three of them are.
@@boxy1375- By the end, for sure.
Hannah: "I remember trying to GET an imaginary friend. That's how sad my life was!" Oh my gosh, that is comedy gold. Use that line in a script, Hannah!
I had an imaginary friend. His name was Palpit. Don't know where that name came from.
I had imaginary mice friends, Squeaky & Springs. Yup. Still in therapy at 57
Me too
IKR? I screamed when I've heard that 😂 I also wanted an imaginary friend but couldn't imagine one 😂 it just didn't work 😂 like Hannah said 'it was totally in my power and still I couldn't get one' 😂
Big props to Hannah for spotting all the abusive relationship red flags from Jack right from the start
Not really that subtle
@@Biggiiful Also, Hannah mocking Shelley Duvall's performance which was prompted by abuse.
@@sarahwhite4906 She wasn't mocking her. It was her boyfriend.
@@sarahwhite4906 It was ASH mockiing Shelley's acting, NOT Hannah
@John Kult Incel shit
Everyone has already commented on the fact that Shelley Duvall was told to act that way. But no one has pointed out WHY.
She is an abused woman. Jack is an abuser. She ALWAYS acts the way she thinks will not bring abuse to her or her son. And her way is to be overly cheerful and fake. Jack knows it's fake, but as an abuser takes pleasure in knowing he's dominating her in such a way that she feels the need to act.
Great reaction as usual! 10/10
every single second of Shelley's acting was to make you underestimate her exactly the way you did. it's not nearly as scary if she is strong and confident throughout (like in the book). her naïve innocence makes it that much more horrifying when she is backing away from Jack. it also makes it much more believable that someone as passive and sweet as her would stay both at the hotel *and* in an abusive relationship for as long as she did.
Agreed. Personally, I haven't read the books, but if she was so strong willed and firm in the book as some people in the comments say, it doesn't make sense to me that she would put up with her husband mistreating her son and her. She would fight back from the start. Granted, she could have been strong willed once and the marriage to Jack destroyed her spirit. Still, it's more inspiring when a weaker one punches up.
This movie is boring... sometimes I think that movies are just not for me, nor are TV shows...
"Why are you here then?"... nobody said I can't comment.
Correct. Kubrick doesn't make mistakes. Everything is genius here even the reason why the carpet was that pattern and the Nasa sweater..
What bothers people of Shelly's performance is her mannerisms that seemed fake, not believable... until you've met a person just like her. I had a Jr. High teacher that acted just like that. Peppy, exaggerated interest in small talk & joy. Almost condescendingly fake. But they exist. Either hiding what's wrong in their lives by putting on a face, a show, too look like they are alright. Clearly this character wasn't alright to begin with.
I agree 💯 percent.
Interesting...the Wikipedia entry on Shelly Duvall says, "She initially received negative reviews for her performance in the latter ("The Shining"), but received widespread acclaim for it in the decades following its release." I will say that Kubrick is known as a perfectionist, often shooting scenes over and over dozens of times until they are "right". So Duvall's performance is most likely exactly what Kubrick wanted. If you feel her performance is stiff or unnatural, I think that was the intent - she was meant to never appear comfortable or at ease around Jack. It's also a common theme in many of Kubrick's films to have banal dialogue - where people are talking for the sake of talking and not really for the sake of genuine, meaningful communication.
Strange...
She is SO under-appreciated. Thanks for this.
@@injunsun ...and she just passed away yesterday. Rest in Peace, Shelly.
Shelley Duvall is actually a very talented actress. She won two Best Actress awards for the film 3 Women, and has been nominated for numerous other films. She has a unique personality that comes through in different ways in all her work. Her character in this represents innocence, wifely and motherly devotion. Her stilted walking on egg shells mannerisms are that of what many women in past times had to do because of an overbearing husband which was more the norm back then. In the setting of the hotel and the growing terror of it's isolation she had nobody to turn to and her husband scared the crap out of her. She definitely is not a bad actress. I've seen her in many films since the 70's and always find her compelling.
She's wonderful. I lived with DV for 30 yrs. I know her character well. She is me☮️
"When my wife tried preventing me from fulfilling my duties ...... I corrrected her" One of the greatest lines ever because of the delivery & what he's talking about
"Here's Johnny!"
Fun Fact: The door that Jack Nicholson chops through with the axe near the end of the film was real. Stanley Kubrick originally shot this scene with a fake door, but Jack Nicholson, who had worked as a volunteer fire marshal and a firefighter in the California Air National Guard, tore through it too quickly.
Now, the absolute scariest moment of this film to me is when Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) wife Wendy Torrance (Shelley Duvall) realizes that he's just been writing the same sentence over and over and over from the very beginning, and then he's RIGHT THERE!
Shelley Duvall who has the most wonderful eyes and who's so underrated, her reactions throughout the film are unfortunately largely genuine as Stanley Kubrick terrorised the poor woman relentlessly.
Also, big shout out to Danny "Doc" Torrance (Danny Lloyd) for being the smartest person ever in a horror film with that walking-backwards-in-snow trick.
You hit the nail on the head with every point...
“Here’s Johnny” was also a reference to talk show host Johnny Carson.
I like her movements in the film. She looks emaciated and just worn down from that place and all the emotion. Just imagine what she's going through, her husband is trying to kill her and her son with an ax and she's trapped in a haunted hotel surrounded by snow storm.. Also, she's just an oddly built actress. Haha. I wouldn't doubt her entire body is double-jointed and she weighs 80lbs in this. There's a reason she played Oliv Oyl in Popeye..
half right.. The normal prop door was fake and he shredded it. So they had to make a reinforced door to slow him down. But both were were all 'prop' doors.
I've seen this comment before on another Shining reaction video.
Shelley Duvall gives my favorite horror movie performance in this, she's just so broken and innocent
Interview with her.
ruclips.net/video/KreP9gicylk/видео.htmlsi=i9JXE_05-xfJjnuf
A real shame she was nominated a Razzie for Worst Performance. I'm really hoping that someday, more people actually recognize how amazing she is. Especially with what she had to go through on-set.
I legit think Hannah may have the shining. It's almost creepy how fast she picks up on stuff and how well she predicts what's going to happen.
I was almost going to ask if she’s a Kubrick relative.
She does it all the time. It's nuts
she has 2. Her boyfriend is a complete tool.
well, she isnt stupid. most of the things that happened are literally easily guessable.
It is impressive, but it also shows the tremendous advantage growing up having thousands of movies available streaming at our fingertips!
Shelley Duvall went through absolute hell on this shoot. There's huge back story, maybe more than any other movie I've ever seen. Once you go down the rabbit hole, it's absolutely fascinating
For me, the best part (besides the obvious iconic part of Jack goin' at the door with the axe), is when Shelley comes up on what he's been writing... and the entire stack of papers has the same line over and over. That means, he didn't just become crazy in the last week or two... He's been insane basically the entire time they've been there.
Thanks for highlighting why Stephen King isn’t a fan of this film; Jack shouldn’t be crazy from the beginning but should have started as a friendly, everyday family man and then get gradually crazy the longer he’s in the hotel (like in the book), so while Nicholson did a great performance, it isn’t like the book 😂
It's called the writer's block.
Major props to the staff who had to write all 500 pages of that line repeating.
@@deadsetondreams1988- Even with a memory-writer type of machine, not an easy task back then.
@@JJCommentary The book is a metaphor for drug abuse that leads to familial abuse. The movie is sort of a demonstration of abusive relationships and how they affect the victims. They have different messages and if you just say "the book is better because he starts off good" then you don't seem to get it
Stunned by your coments on Shelley Duvall. Her performance in my view was outstanding and she was literally psychologically tortured by Kubrick during the making of this movie!
Kubrick made the actors re-do the scene with the baseball bat something like 127 times, so Shelley Duvall's sobbing hysteria was mostly real.
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard
"RIGHT IF WE DAMAGE THE CHANDELIERS I'M GOING TO BE FUMING"🤣first time in 40 odd years this film has been out I've never heard that, cracked me up.
About the acting of the wife... All the actors are acting exactly as the director Stanley Kubrick wanted them to act. The personality of her character is just perfect for the story. The movie is a masterpiece in many levels.
I dont get the part where she has to swing like 200 times before connecting to her husband and I dont get the part where the son has to run 20 freaking minutes. Too redundant and boring to me.
Poor Shelly!
@@shynobody3191 Yeah the making of The Shining is intense. Watching her continuously lose it with Kubrick and watching him smile as she walks away in frustration.
It wasn't just her though. Many people got frustrated physically and emotionally wrecked over the many many many takes for the most mundane scenes.
Pretty sure it was this movie where the cast printed a shirt saying "I survived scene ???, I can't remember which one.
Kubrick was certainly fascinating for his bold choices. I personally can't stand some of the exaggerated facial expressions in this movie, Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, etc. To me it just comes across as trying WAY too hard to be creepy and instead looks really silly.
I think her acting's godawful and hilarious, but then again I'm not a genius director so what do I know lol.
"He's losing his mind. He's in a turtleneck and he's losing his mind."
"His eyebrows deserve an Oscar."
The thing about Shelley Duvall's performance is that she was literally pushed to act that way. The moments where she showed fear(on the staircase with the bat when she hit Jack with it, her face of pure terror in the bathroom with the axe, etc) is direct result of how Stanley Kubrick and Jack Nicholson treated her on set. She was constant fear of those two.
Thank you for mentioning this. They need to put some respect on Shelly Duvall's name. She went through hell filming this movie to execute someone else's vision.
not to mention the obscene amount of times they shot that scene so she was just completely drained
@@ragnarokhd8775 Yes. Over 100 times I believe. Insane!!!
Where did you hear that Jack Nicholson had anything to do with her treatment on set ?
I've read multiple stories about how the actress was mistreated but it was always by Stanley Kubrick and I always read how Jack Nicholson complained about Kubrick's behaviour and how the actress deserved more praise for the film.
"Nicholson was particularly offended on Duvall's behalf, saying that hers was the most difficult role he had ever seen an actor take on."
"Kubrick was rather abusive of Shelley Duvall during filming. He would gaslight her by having assistants tell her to take a break only to yell "ACTION!" just as she was relaxing or eating so she'd have to jump right into a scene without warning or preparation.
He'd also loudly berate her whenever the slightest thing went wrong and condescendingly shoot down any and all complaints she had about filming conditions, the script, or her health, all in order to make her feel as distressed as her character.
Jack Nicholson realized this but resisted the urge to just give her a hug, which probably helped her freak out effectively when Jack came after her with an ax.
When Duvall reflected on this experience, she eventually realized that Kubrick was actually getting the best out of her and admitted to having great respect for him for being such a calculating director, but admitted that she wouldn't want to go through a similar experience again."
That is a Myth. Both Nicholson and Kubrik treat her propertly. In the Vivien Kubrik documentary we only can see that Kubrik told her that she got late in an escene. And sure, he told her somewhere that her acting was fake, but he told her straight. He didn`t shout her or anything. The woman told Vivien that she was jeaouls of all the attention Nicholson was getting and that`s it. All that crap about Kubrik treating her like sh..t has no evidence at all. Nicholson even told Kubrik to "take it easy" with the eldery Scatman Crothers. Nicholson have been professional all the time.
Really glad to see a reactor pick up the "sell my soul for a drink" on the first watch, nice catch Ash.
Hannah’s comment of the day. “He’s in a turtle neck & he’s losing his mind”. Girl you rock 😂
You guys are crazy thinking Shelley Duvall's acting wasn't good in this.
Rip shelley Duvall.
She definitely behaved like how an abused and traumatized wife and mother would behave
Plus props for Wendy actually doing all the handyman work while Jack just slept and talked to ghosts
The conversation between you two after the movie is one of the many reasons this movie is held in such high regard. It’s a masterpiece that creates so many theories and conversations.
I love watching reactions to see if anyone explains the picture and most people look at it and just say, "I don't get it." I really liked this discussion but I think Ash was not giving her credit because I think she was the closer to making sense of that picture than Ash and anyone else I've watched.
Nah, she said said jack the person was always the caretaker. In 1921 he wasn't even born lol. Hes a just a reborn caretaker by spirit. The picture at the end can't be real. @@mortimerbrewster3671
Can we all agree Hannah is a genius 🥲🥲 binge watching your whole channel is so exciting 😂😂
She's funny and wonderful
I wager there will be 10 symbolisms, 2 gaggings, 4 screams, and 7 “Oh shit!”s. Let’s go! The horror that is The Shining is that it’s all in your head as the viewer. Thanks
and 6 Ash's "WOOOW"
@@clevelandcbi He was looking for that gag reaction. 😂
If Ash comes with one more of his dumb symbolisms, im gonna symbolism up his arsh i swear!
The woman in the Room 237 in King’s novel is explained to be Lorraine Massey, who used to seduce bellboys who entered her room, and she would end up engaging in sexual acts with them. During her stay at the hotel, she was with a younger man. The young man abandoned her, and Lorraine killed herself in the bathroom of room 237, but her ghost stayed there. Just like Lloyd and Delbert, Lorraine’s ghost can have physical interactions with the guests, and as mentioned above, Danny and Jack came face to face with her.
Do you know room 213
The more times you watch The Shining, the better it gets. It slowly, insidiously works it's way into you and before you know it, it becomes one of the greatest things you've ever seen.
This is a work of pure genius 👏
Hannah is spot-on about Shelley Duvall. All of her choices in the role are completely purposeful and intentional.
The "trick" to getting out of one of those mazes is to put your right or left hand out against one wall and never take it away to follow that wall all the way round the various dead ends till you get to the exit.
Its not a fast trick, because you might go every wrong way first, buts its a guaranteed to work eventually trick, because you wont end up going in circles.
In the book, the man dressed in a suit is actually Horace Derwent, the mysterious owner of the Overlook Hotel, and the man in the costume (which is a dog in the book) is Roger, a one-time lover of his. The novel provides Roger and Horace's story as an example of atrocities that have happened in the hotel; in a cruel act of domination, Horace instructed Roger to attend one of the hotel's balls in the costume and behave like a dog for the other guests.
If Hannah thinks Jack Nicholson has "that clown thing about him" check him out as the Joker in 1989's Batman.
And if you think he's good in 1989's Batman, you should check him out in _The Shining_ .
Can't overstate why the "Here's Johnny!" is so disturbing and so very funny. Carson was perhaps the most loved TV talk show host of all time in America. That was his introduction before each show from 1962 to 1992, when he retired.
Now = "Who's Johnny?"
It's funny how we think of things being timeless but most of them really aren't. How many Zoomers (or late Millennials for that matter) would get the say, Cagney and other pre 1980s memes in the first TMNT movie for example without an internet search? I only did because I saw Looney Tunes reruns in the late 80s-90s. Hell, one of my male coworkers didn't know who Mike Tyson was when I said his famous quote about "plans." That's an extreme example but it's happening.
The line was also improvised by Nicholson
Even in 1980 few people under thirty knew that "Jack" was a nickname for those named "John". So a character called "Jack" could also legitimately be called a "Johnny" as well.
I loved the opening title scene. It really captures the how isolated they are in the mountains. It's also real. No CGI or staging. Just a birds eye view of the desolation which adds more depth to the narrative of being helpless and alone. Without that drive sequence viewers might wonder why Wendy didn't just leave earlier. It's a long, treacherous, winding road out of there which we see more clearly and connect to because of the opening.
Symbolisms... Lol
There were no drones, either. It was done with a helicopter. The reactors were complaining about the text font, of all things.
Hannah's accuracy in the hallway crack was freaking brilliant!!!! Actually, Hannah was laying beat downs the whole video too!!!
Ash's face! Lol!!
Stephen King hated this movie as it deviated so much from the original novel. He vowed never to work with Stanley Kubrick ever again, and that Kubrick will never direct another Stephen King movie.
The scene where Shelly Duvall's character Wendy was swinging the bat was filmed 127 times!
It became so stressful she lost most of her hair.
Jack Nicholson slept on the set between scenes.
Kubrick would often get into arguments with Duvall on how her scenes should be filmed.
Scatman Crothers, whom played Dick Halloran in the movie, broke down crying after Kubrick filmed his scene in the kitchen 88 times and asked "What do you want from me, Mr. Kubrick??"
A fire broke out near the set where the were filming The Empire Strikes Back.
The hedge maze scene was very brutal and difficult as most of the camera crew would get lost in the maze for an hour or so.
Harrison Ford, Robin Williams, and Robert DeNiro were almost cast Jack Torrance.
There are some really great RUclips videos of those arguments with Shelly and Stanley. Especially the scene where 'Jack' comes back from the room with the naked lady in the bath and he's yelling at 'Wendy' not to F@ck this up for him, and she keeps flinching.... Stanley laid into her and told her to stop doing that, but she later said in an interview (and to your comment about the stress) that she was so scared of Jack she couldn't help it..... but she said it "nicely" about how Kubrick was able to "get the most out of his actors....."
He didn't hate the movie, according to the Wikipedia on the movie he actually was quite unsettled by the movie and enjoyed it, he was just frustrated by Kubricks insistence on playing down the supernatural elements of the story, which King argued needed to be there in order for it to truly count as horror.
And then he remade the movie so it would be more faithful to the novel, but it ended up being crap in comparison to this version.
@@shawbros Yup. Gotta agree, the CGI ruined it and was not even close to iconic. No psychological torture present. Geez....am I actually giving a thumbs up for psycho-torture? Did I think that or type that? Can they hear me? Better not mention these bats....poor bastard will see them soon enough.
@@c.t.g.6474 Yes of course you would criticize reading a Wiki page. Get a life dude.
When you are absolutely terrified you lose muscle control. Her acting is spot on.
Hey just wanted to say that the follow up to this movie, Doctor Sleep (2019), is an excellent sequel and worth watching (doesn’t have to be a reaction). Also I’ve visited one of the hotels they filmed this at in Yosemite and it’s a gorgeous building.
I live in CO and been to the Stanley Hotel. Absolutely beautiful place. Creepy for sure, but a great trip.
One of my biggest regrets travelling is missing out on that hotel. The Shining is one of if not my absolute favourite movies. I was in Yosemite and in the village near that hotel but at the time had no idea of it's connection and influence to the movie and the design of the Overlook. I would have made it my #1 priority that day to visit it.
Second this. Doctor Sleep is great. Rebecca Ferguson is a terrific and terrifying villain.
@@RushISVarietyBahwahnee hotel in Yosemite is what they based most of the indoor sets on. But they didn't film in there, apparently it was recreated as a massive set in England
Hannah is correct he has always been there, this event happens every so often. It shines
"He's in a turtleneck and he's losing his mind." Those two facts are somehow perfect together.
Did you realize the hotel has an "impossible architecture"? Door hinges change between shots, carpet parterns change direction between shots (in the ball scene in front of room 237) etc.
The manager's office in the beginning can't have a window. The Torrances appartement's bathroom should be a corner room. Why is there a little stair when entering the housekeeper's appartment, but in the floor there are door, when the rooms behind the doors should be some steps above the hallway level...etc.
The bear was actually the scariest part of the whole movie for me. In the book it’s explained that of all the people in the hotel, there was one person who would be dressed in a bear costume and sexually assaulted by all the men in the hotel. So what was shown in that scene was the bear being forced to perform oral sex on the other man. It’s thought that why this was shown to Wendy is because Jack Torrence has assaulted his son Danny, and Wendy seeing the bear is the hotel showing Wendy that this abuse is happening, it’s always happened, and to some degree she’s known herself and has ignored it. Very overlooked scene, and in this film every frame gives you information.
The book doesn't say that at all. It was just Derwent's lover blowing him.
That part freaked me TF out when I first saw this movie as a kid. I didn't understand what they were doing or why one of them was dressed as a bear, and when they both turned and stared at the camera it sent chills down my spine lmao
In the book, It was a dog, not a bear.
@@buttthecat1354 some type of animal lol
@@corywhitley4573 the imagery definitely worked. Dog or bear. Lol
Kuberick basically tortured Shelly Duval, making her do take after take. Just the scene on the stairs where Nicholson is threatening her and she has the bat was 127 takes! That exhaustion and emotional breakdown you see from Duval is partially real from so many takes!
No. The exhaustion part was expected by every actor that worked with Kubrick. He was very well known in the buisness for shooting many many takes to get exactly what he wanted, and the actors were warned.
He was, on the other hand, apparently very abusive with her verbally between the takes, singling her and her acting out constantly, and just being bitter and disdainful with her all the time. And she did suffer a real breakdown because of that.
42:35 The "Here's Johnny" refers to the fact that Jack is a nickname for John, so he's saying, "I'm here!" But it's also a reference to Johnny Carson, a longtime host of the Tonight Show from the 60s to early 90s, who would be introduced to the audience by his announcer saying, "Ladies and Gentlemen, here's Johnny!"
First commentor of any shining reaction to voice that fact I have seen. Thanks! Thought I was the only one that knew who Johnny Carson was. To add, EVERYONE at the time of the film's debue knew Johnny from The Tonight Show, and thus that line became iconic from the start for many, many years.
"Oh, wow! Look at that pancake!" 😂😂 I had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard.
"Stanley Kubrick said, “The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.” That means that Jack Torrance is the reincarnation of a guest or someone on staff at the Overlook in 1921."
I thought he was in the pic bc he was now a part of the hotel, it drove him crazy and then he died there.
It might not be the scariest movie ever, but it definitely is the most disturbing. The atmosphere, the creepiness is just insane!
"He's got that clown thing about him"... That's why they chose him to play The Joker in 1989's Batman. 😎
Fun fact, Jack stayed in character between takes and the other cast members were scared of him.
Loved your reaction, especially "I wonder what kind of novel he's writing?" Some people criticize Shelly Duvall, but Stanley Kubrick is very exacting. He got precisely the performance he wanted from her. He wanted the audience to be annoyed with her as he ramped up the suspense. It says much that the audience sympathizes with Jack for most of the film until he finally goes over the edge.
Regarding the ballroom and bathroom scenes, the way that I have been interpreting this movie, for now, is that when Jack first goes into the ballroom, he says that he would give up or sell his soul for a beer. The next thing you see is Lloyd the Bartender giving him a drink. After this scene, he is approached by Wendy who tells him that there's a crazy lady in room 237. When he goes into the room and finds the woman, he gives himself to her bodily. He gives himself to the hotel, both Body and Soul. I guess you can also state that he gives his Mind to the hotel as well, but exactly when that happens, I'm not sure. At the end, he finally gives his Spirit to the hotel.
Fantastic reaction. Huge props to Hannah for being spot-on with all the observations through the watch. Ash also was absolutely right about the photograph at the ending - the hotel owns Jack's soul now. The sequel film Doctor Sleep helps to explain this a little bit more, and deals with a grown up Danny helping another young child who 'Shines'
"His eyebrows deserve an Oscar" No truer words xD
This was the only film that the kid who acted as Danny (real name Danny Lloyd) appeared in. Today he's a 50 year-old professor of Biology in a community college in Kentucky.
Hollywood chews up and spits out so many children. His parents had their heads on straight.
Rest In Peace Shelly you were an amazing actress.
“She looks high as a kite when she runs”. 🤣
You both spotted some things I missed even after a number of viewings. Love you guys, keep watching these classics!
Rest in peace Shelley Duvall! I’ve been re watching a few Shining reactions from my favorite channels tonight.
I think you're actually both right. I think the hotel pulls you in. But I think he's the reincarnated caretaker from the past. People have been debating the end of this movie since it came out the fact that we are still discussing this makes it such a classic
42:34: A famous American late night talk show host, Johnny Carson. “Here’s Johnny!” is the catchphrase the announcer used to introduce him in every episode.
Interestingly, Stephen King hated this film, even though it’s considered one of the greatest horror films ever, because the book was probably King’s most personal work, as it was an allegory for his own real life struggles with drugs and alcohol (the story is about a man who is corrupted and destroyed by forces beyond his control, similarly to getting drunk). He didn’t like a lot of the changes Stanley Kubrick made, like how it’s obvious Jack is evil from the beginning, instead of him being a good man who’s slowly corrupted, the fact that Wendy is very weak and cowardly, the fact that Dick dies (he survives and helps Wendy and Danny escape in the book, and only dies in the sequel book Doctor Sleep), or Tony just being an imaginary friend, when he was an actual person talking to Danny in the book (in the tv miniseries he’s a grownup Danny from the future, sending his mind back in time to help little Danny. I don’t know if it’s the same in the book).
If you're ever lost in a maze. All you have to do is put your left hand on the wall, and keep walking.
You two should follow this up with Doctor Sleep (2019). It's a sequel movie that came out nearly 40 years later and is FANTASTIC! It stars Ewan McGregor as a grown up Danny. Unfortunately a lot of people wait too long to watch it and miss a lot of the callbacks to The Shining. You should definitely watch it with The Shining fresh on your mind!
There's not one scare in Dr. Sleep.
Okay I'm taking bets everyone! Who thinks we're going to get a gag during the old lady bathtub scene? 🤣
I’m feeling lots of gags from that scene from Hannah.
We did get a little bit of a gag, but not from Hannah.😄
I have grown to appreciate Duval's performance with every viewing. I now think it was brilliant.
"I said I'm not gonna hurt ya. I'm just gonna bash your brains in." Great movie.
The best line of the film and one of the few from taken verbatim from the book.
Symbolism? Symbolism?!? SYMBOLISM!??! The most symbolic film ever made
"Stanley Kubrick said, “The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.” That means that Jack Torrance is the reincarnation of a guest or someone on staff at the Overlook in 1921. Jack is left in the snow and freezes to death, and it's implied that the Overlook continued with its cycle of murder by bringing in more reincarnations of past workers. Jun 9, 2022" That's why the guy told Jack "you've always been here ." He was reincarnated, so his spirit has been there since the beginning . .
This entire movie is SYMBOLISM. They should do Eyes Wide Shut too. Hanna's reaction to the secret party would be totally worth it.
Shelley Duvall needed therapy after this. The director drove her to a breakdown filming this.
Here's Johnny was the catch phrase for the Johnny Carson Show, which was THE late night show at the time. Everyone watched it in the 70s
A classic masterpiece. Hannah's reactions, priceless.
If a Woman EVER just brings you a sandwich unexpected from out of nowhere, THAT'S true fucking love.
Right?? As a woman, I can say truthfully that most women don't look forward to having to cook meals 3 meals a day, but if she willingly brings u food because she loves you and wants to support u, now that is something to hold onto! She's a keeper!
I watch a lot of reaction videos and Hannah is one of the more consistently perceptive and intelligent reactors on RUclips. She understands this movie very well from the first watch. Took me two or three to really get it and she's pretty much there
Hannah’s so intuitive and always spot-on with her takes.
I can't stop laughing at how Hannah is 99% correct most of the time and Ash is going off on some wildly confident tangent that tries to throw Hannah off the actual SIMBA LIZUM
"Johnny" is Johnny Carson, the origianl host of the tonight show who's footsteps Letterman, Leno, Conan, etc. all followed in. He was introduced with "Ladies and gentleman, heeeere's Johnny!" every show.
What I like most about this movie is that we don't know if the parents have had a lapse in their sanity or if the hotel is actually haunted and had possesed Jack
If you read the book, you'll have your answer 😉
We do actually. Those 'The Shining' theory videos are interesting tho..
How to solve virtually any maze: Pick a wall, put you hand against it, now follow that wall. Pretend that your hand is stuck to that wall as you follow it around corners, around dead ends, etc. It's not the fastest method, but eventually you should come to the exit. If you have wandered into the center of the maze, it's possible that the wall you pick might be part of a free-standing section not physically connected to the other walls. If so, you will end up going in circles around it. If that happens, switch to the wall on the other side and try again. Most mazes don't have too many free-standing sections of any great size.
"Here's Johnny!" is a reference to the intro to The Tonight Show, which was hosted by Johnny Carson from 1962-1992. The co-host would introduce the show and end with "Here's Johnny!" as Carson came out.
i am the same age like the kid character in this movie.... i remember so many things in that movie from my childhood, the clothes he wears, the metal ice cups... i am that kid minus the shining and the weird hotel
The twins are iconic.
_This_ is how you do a horror or suspense movie: build it up, with the actors, setting, and camera telling the story---not a bunch of jump cuts and jump-scares (with stingers).
Doctor Sleep is an actual great sequel
Love it when Grady says “I should know I’ve always been here.” It’s like all the cards are on the table now
Jack's laugh at the bar was the first Joker laugh recorded in a movie and nobody knew it yet.
Thanks to both for this reaction. The crack about jacks eyebrows telling a "different story" was 👍👍👍👍
Shelly Duvall...she can definitely act. She acts so well here, that she has you lightly hatin on her....
that's how good she is.
some info on the scene where Jack is busting the door in..and Shelley is screaming..the director shot the same scene 17 times....in a row.
Stanley Kubrick as a director enjoyed exercising his own vision in various genres, so his _Full Metal Jacket_ was 'the Kubrick answer to war films', or his _Eyes Wide Shut_ was 'the Kubrick erotic thriller', or _2001: A Space Odyssey_ 'the Kubrick scifi flick'. _The Shining_ became the 'Kubrick horror film', but the author of the original novel, Stephen King, was not a fan of Kubrick's treatment (similar to the authors the other films were based on, with Arthur C Clarke reportedly hating his treatment of 2001). The film adaptation of _The Shining_ became so much about Kubrick's vision, it ended up bearing only a passing resemblance to King's novel. Where King had internally-consistent explanations for a lot of these questions the moviegoer is left with, Kubrick was more about style, mood, ever-increasing and unrelenting tension building through the entire film. For example, would it surprise you to learn that 5-year-old Danny's name was Daniel Anthony Torrance, and that Tony was actually Danny himself, about a decade or so later, near to completing high school, gone back to his earlier self to help guide him through the dangerous maze that was the Overlook Hotel. Kubrick leaves all that type of stuff out as useless baggage in favor of his 'atmosphere', but King wrote it to be necessary exposition to the enjoyment of the plot development.
Well I would say its just shows the visual genius of Kubrick. Like in the novel "Redrum" is written multiple times, but Kubrick saves it really for ONE scene which makes that phrase much scarier than in the book. Kubrick had a real flair for how to capture the desolation. That's why the hotel is so large, expasive and empty to visually sell it much better than the original hotel King based it on. King even did a TV version of the Shining, which was a total flop compared to Kubrick's masterpiece.
Ash’s “Wendy I’m home” has me rolling 😂
In all fairness to Shelly DUvall, she gave exactly the performance Stanley Kubrick wanted. He bullied and emotionally battered her so badly her hair started falling out. She is a very good actress and if the acting it over the top, it's because that's what Kubrick demanded.
At ~17:35 - This is why you two are among the best on RUclips: "He's in a turtleneck and he's losing his mind." "His eyebrows deserve an Oscar." 😆😆
Ash saying to Hannah ‘I think your reaching a bit’ 🤣 after some of his symbolisms
Kubrick has a lot of symbolism in this movie. Like 1969 Nasa shirt worn by Danny, or the ending picture where Jack poses with his arms up and down, or the cosplay bj scene observed by Wendy, which is suppose to refer to elite parties held in the mansion (more of that in Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut).
Shelley Duvall is fucking magnificent in this film. Shelley Duvall MVP, the carpets a close second
Way too many reactors are too hard on her honestly.
Next up is "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" starring a younger Jack Nicholson. Although not a horror film, you both will love it. Jack was truly an icon in his day.
You guys should definitely watch the next part to this movie, it’s called Dr sleep it’s about the kid when he grows up.
Guys, 'Here's Johnny' was how they introduced Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show every Saturday night in this era. It was an ad lib by Jack Nicholson.
One theory says that the man in the "bear" costume represents young Danny Torrance (who earlier in the film is shown to have a plush toy) and the man in the tuxedo represents Jack. Tony, Danny’s imaginary friend, is believed by some to be Danny’s way to cope with the trauma of sexual abuse from his father.
I’m pretty sure the book explains who the two men are and that’s not it 😂
The bear and guy in the tuxedo are in the book. It's a dom/sub relationship between a bisexual and a gay man who likes to be shamed
I've seen this movie so many times and never caught that symbolism of him selling his soul for a drink and the hotel manipulating each guest individually. You guys are good.
her acting is perfection cus she was suffering soo soo hard with the director Kurbick and with the cast, they
kept bullying her and pushing her limit, her hair were falling off during filming!! you guys need to watch
the behind the scenes to believe, she was terrified, this movie destroyed her.
Want to know how to agitate Jack Nicholson? Well, apparently, he hates cheese sandwiches. So Stanley Kubrick, director of The Shining, made sure that was all that was available to his star actor. He wanted to ensure he was in the right mood to play a man going insane!
Or you could do what Hunter S. Thompson did. As a prank on Jack's birthday, Hunter shone a massive spotlight on his house, while blasting a gruesome recording of a pig being eaten alive by bears. Hunter topped it off by firing his pistol and leaving a freshly-cut elk's heart on Jack's front door. All this was going on while Nicholson and his two daughters hid for their safety in the basement!
Finally, I agree with symbolism with this reaction. Grady 's demonic soul came back to enter Jack's soul...making him Grady.
In Stephen King’s original novel, there is a character named Horace Derwent, a former owner of the Overlook Hotel, who had a strange relationship with a man dressed in a dog costume. This scene may be Kubrick’s nod to that part of the novel, symbolizing the depravity and hidden sexual perversity associated with the hotel's past.
Not only is this one of my favorite Stephen King stories. Its one of my favorite horror movies ever.
The hotel never wanted Jack. It wanted Jack to kill Danny so it could have Danny's shining. That is what makes the hotel come to life.
Well, i think Jack had the Shining as well, but didn't know it, so the hotel shined for Jack and Jack had nobody to explain it to him. Remember Jack LOVES this hotel and never wants to leave. He loves the shining.
To think that Shelley Duvall was criticized and hated when the performance she did was exactly what Kubrick wanted... I mean he literally made her do the same scenes like 40 times none-stop and kept insulting and mistreating her when not filming... She deserved better. This role broke her totally...