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- The Geth are known as awful examples of what AI can become, so why is it that they're actually super nice to their own killers?
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My favourite part of the "Do I have a soul" question is actually because of how the geth are built. Since they're a network intelligence it isn't a single geth evolving to the point where it can come to an epiphany, it's the entire network of them having achieved the level of intelligence required to ask the question. Almost as if the entire race asked in unison.
@Nogilthazaa I really like the concept of meta-stability where an AI gathers the necessary components to become self aware
This just fucked me up.
Edit: think of it this way(cause it happened more than once) picking what you thought was the right person to ask a truly existential question, and that individual decides to execute you, then the most of the species does the same.
My favorite Geth network implication is when Shepard says “How did it turn out like this, The Geth are better than this.” And Legion solemnly looks down and says “based on empirical evidence, we are not.” Normally a blanket statement like this would be close minded but Legion literally is connected to the minds and thoughts of all Geth and processes this info in seconds or less. In other words he’s qualified to make that judgment.
Yes, but legion was a scout unit. While he had a small network within himself. He was separated from the network as a whole.
All the way to his death he acted out of his own decisions, not of the geth's as a whole.
KindDmoN Well yes and no, while he was in hostile territory, he acted on his own, but his own network was not isolated, just self sufficient, in ME3 he had the ability to rejoin the rest of the network, which is how the reapers originally gained access to the geth network (hence why he was tied up when first seen) from what I remember.
"All sentient creatures should have the ability to self-determinate."
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."
The Geth have the same philosophy as Optimus Prime, makes it pretty clear who the bad guys are. XD
I mean wasnt that the point of going inside the geth hive mind to show us that thier is always two sides to a war.
Mass Effect 1&3 still two of my favorite games.
I mean as someone who is just playing through mass effect for the first time, do you remember the opening mission of mass effect? With the geth killing pretty much anyone or anything in the way of the prothen beacon?
@@sarcasticsatan7335 those were a heretic splinter group who are enemies of the true geth
@@lance5445 yea I know that now I was only about 1/4 of the way through mass effect 2 at the time so I was a bit 'miss informed'
The whole conflict is basically
Quarians: (Creates Geth)
Geth: "Does this unit have a soul?"
Quarians: (tries to kill geth)
Geth: (Fight back)
Quarians: (Fleas home world)
Geth: "peace maybe?"
Quarians: *ANGERY SPACE NOISES*
Geth: " okay nevermind."
My response to "Do I have a Soul?" is simple, "Do you want to have one?"
And I ask "do I have a soul too???"
My response would be: _Only you can answer that question. But, to me, you have as much a soul as I do._
@@goingblargh ew
@@goingblargh So none?
@@Elmithian it's more like "give me $50 and I'll give you this box that might contain a soul.
6:30
Shepard: "Joker where the hell is the Normandy!"
*Normandy flies overhead*
Legion: "Commander checkout my new whip!"
Hahahahahahahahaha
Funny but impossible because EDI is the Ship's onboard AI and she is part Reaper.
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite channel on the Citadel
We’ll bang okay
@@n7issac94 Report back to the ship as soon as possible
Im commander shepard and you will quote everything i say
Well that escalated quickly
Make sure to feed your fish before you save the universe
"I bring love"
"He brings love, break his legs!"
WHAT IS THAT!?
Geth: It’s A Book
WATCH OUT HE GOTS A BOOK!!!
Admiral Koirs despite being kinda a dick when you first meet him is probably my favorite quarian. His view about the Geth is very refreshing. And his line about how the Geth are their children and how they done them great harm is really good.
The Heretic Geth was more of a storyline of how people and groups fracture from one another.
Legion can't understand how those Geth "lost their way" and even the thousands of programs in him can't come to a consensus and asks Shepard to make the choice
Then you realize if you take the paragon action and "rewrite" the Geth, you essentially rob them of free will. If you take Jack, she makes clear that you can't (shouldn't) rewrite a living being.
It's the Geth and Legion having the consequences of individualism and what is thought and a soul.
Counterpoint, what if the breakaway was just typical indoctrination? Would you not just be undoing the Reapers rewriting?
Quarians: Oh, no, now that they can think for themselves, they might revolt! Let's get rid of them!
Geth: Hey, our makers are shooting at us. Maybe we should revolt?
Quarians: *surprised Pikachu face*
It's even sadder than that. The Geth only started answering in force, not because they were getting destroyed but because quarians started a civil war between the pro-geth minority and anti-geth majority. Yeah, the Geth started fighting, not to protect themselves, but to stop their 'maker' protectors getting massacred. Which led to further militarization of the anti-geth faction and the effective destruction of pro-geth quarians.
That's it that's exactly what happened I knew memes would help explain things
@Qwerty Bastard it kinda does and kinda doesn't?
Reaper AI was/were created to stop the 'inevitable' cycle of 'organics create synthetics' - > 'synths rebel' - > 'total war' - > 'galaxy reset' - > 'new organics on the galaxy block' - ^
They concluded that the best way to do so was to rebel against their organic creators, render them down to protean paste, and create a new 'hybrid' race - the Reapers, and then do the same to every organic race to ever emerge 'till the end of time, the universe and 42.
Yes, it is exactly as idiotically dumb as it sounds. ME3 was technically nigh perfect, but ye gods did they ever butcher the story...
@@GvozdeniGrom kinda what happens when your lead writer is forced to depart, and your corporate overlords make you rush the game to meet an arbitrary deadline because that’s the date they told investors.
I always interpreted it differently because at some point I think the child said that I did not know if the cycle would ever stop. I always thought th reapers were trying a sort of forced evolution to make a galaxy where synthetics and organically both live in peace. In both the human and protean galaxies
i watched all of the wiki weekends for the past 4 hours
So how do you feel about that?
You have a strong will
He’s to dangerous to be left alive
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What a mad lad
Legions deaths was the saddest companion death of the trilogy.
Tali: Legion, the answer to your question, is yes.
Legion: I know Tali. Thank you. Keelah se’lai.
The sacrifice of Laiden was sadder for me, he was defending the nuke on Virmire, looked up into the sky and then boom, gone.
IIRC it's the only time in the trilogy Legion refers to itself as "I" instead of "we"
not having played the mass effects games, how can he die if he can upload his brain to another body? or was it jsut for plot reasons
@@Lemmingcave he is a multitude of programmes and he hat do upload his programmes back to all other geth so what made him special would stop to exist. But the real answer here must be "PLAY THE GAMES" they are realy good. (the 3 originals)
@@Lemmingcave Using Reaper code, Legion was able to achieve full sentience, become an individual, and massively increase his own intelligence. In order for that upgrade to be uploaded to all Geth, he had to upload all his programs back to the Collective, killing himself as an individual.
They tried to shoot the baby in the crib, but the baby ran the family out of the house and took over. Perfect.
When the geth gained intelligence I wanted soooo badly for this to happen
"We will help you rebuild"
"The geth... will help rebuild?"
"We are no longer the geth"
"What are you then?"
"We... are Legion"
That wouldn’t have made sense since the upgrade made every individual geth their own ai
@@OmegaTav no i mean i wanted them to change the name of their race to Legion out of respect
Lol oh man I got chills reading this xD haha would be a nice touch
When I played ME3 I was able to broker peace between the Geth and the Quorians and in that moment the Geth became my favorite species bar none of ME3. Literally after being attacked AGAIN by the Quorians and dealing with recently liberating themselves from Reaper control, they just turn around and not only offer to help the Quorians re-settle their homeworld that they forced the Geth to kick them off of, but the Geth starts offering optimized colony plans and just immediately goes right into helping work together.
Honestly they're probably my favorite depiction of AI species in all of Sci Fi. So many other franchises make them destroyers of their creators, or organics in general, but the Geth are just hyper efficient and adopt the morals they learned from their creators and are even better than their creators, not in how fast they think, or how unified they are (though they do have those qualities too), but in that over 200 years or so of xenophobia directed at them, they continue to work to better themselves and hope others will do the same.
The Geth actually make me genuinely hopeful about the advancement and development of technology in the fields of AI.
If you want more hope on that front, look up Isaac Arthurs "machine rebellion" video on youtube, it outlines how a genocidal AI is not only unlikely, but also illogical
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." -Optimus Prime
Synthetic propaganda
"Give me your face"
-Optimus Prime
I imediatly thought of that.
guess that explains why communists want it gone so bad
Then why are we eating all the other beings?
Am I the only one who saved both geth and quarians and managed to have them live in peace on their homeworld?
dont worry you arent (because making a whole race of space-nomads suffer for things their ancestors did is stupid) ...well and literary saving everything and everyone is kind of how my sheperd worked ...that and punching reporters
yeah i saved them both, even as a mostly renegade shepard. cant bring my self to sacrifice one of them for the other
Iv only manged it on one play through never been able to do it again but I was just about to say this 😂
@@azurblau4144 Lord I'm such a goody-two-shoes. I was nice to the reporter too lol. You get a nice dialogue in Mass Effect 3 if you are always... well not nice, but like, take the high road with her interviews. You interrupt her as she gives you more and more frantic questions about what happened on Earth and Shepherd goes "REPORTER! ...We're doing everything we can." And she breaks down "...there were so many deaths..." you even get a minor war asset if I remember correctly, as she starts making her show about supporting the war effort against the reapers
I almost always save both too. Leaving morality/goody-two-shoes/paragon matters aside, it's also the pragmatic thing to do, since it leaves more ships and soldiers on your side to fight against the Reapers. Why decide which fleet goes with you when you can have them both?
In the defense of the galaxy the quarians said the geth attcked them leaving out the fact they shot first
And in defense of the quarians, its kind of like Skynet.
The first encounter with A.I makes people and groups assume the worst
@@theoleadfoot2864 If a creature's first indication of it achieving sentience is " Do I have a Soul?" then its not the same thing as Skynet, Skynet just wanted to take over the planet, kill everything and viewed Humans as something that didn't need to exist anymore. If Something is capable of asking if it has a soul, thats something completely different going on in processing. Like the difference between Psychopathy and a rational thought process. Like its funny that we show this so much in media but people never seem to understand even today. Because this isn't a new concept when it comes down to it. its like A repeat of people asking if Hunchbacks have a soul or people that are mentally disabled. When your first instinct is too attack something that asks that question its a clear indicator of who is in the wrong. The Correct way to respond is attacking if they ask "Am I better than you?"
@@chaosdirge4906 Thats fair, but i cant hold the quarians too at fault. Its definitely why the best option is to play the previous games amd end their war
I remember Tali telling me in ME1 that the Quarians shot first. So, the Quarians know they shot first and the rest of the galaxy probably knows too, they just don't find that relevant.
Now then, in defense of the Quarians, I'm pretty sure AI was already illegal before the Geth awakening. (Although that may have been retconned in later games) So, it wasn't so much, "EEK! AI! Kill it before it kills us!", it was more "EEK! AI! Kill it before the Council finds out!"
@@tenebrisevernight It was mentioned the Quarians were skirting the law. So while they weren't technically creating true A.I, it seemed like they were trying to achieve something similar to it.
Fun fact, Joker registered EDI as his personal assistant VI, kinda like the Security mechs you sometime fight, due to his brittle bones disease, so he's able to bring her everywhere, plus, people just assume nobody would walk around with an AI so casually...
Legion was one of my favourite new characters of ME2. Data wasn't my first thought though. I've always seen him as basically the mass effect version of Hugh the Borg from TNG ("I, Borg"), being an individual from a collective race, his mind being used to change his people in an important way, and his general struggle to accept his own individuality.
The relationship between the Geth and the Quarians reminds me of a phrase said by another species in another game.
"Even children who hate their parents try to understand him"
2:51 There is only one who sees themselves in the wrong (at least from the Admirals) and I don't think he's taken too seriously as he voluntary gave himself the name Vas Qwib Qwib... asking about Admiral Koris's name is the second funniest thing to do during Tali's Loyalty Mission, right behind bringing Legion.
Legion-“Does this unit have a soul?”
Tali-“Legion the answer to your question was yes.”
Legion-“I know. Kela Sa’laih”
Legion than terminates himself to give his people true sentience. That right there is my favorite moment in all of Mass Effect Legion sacrifices him self to free his people and refers to himself as an individual rather than a group.
It was actually Joker who asked Legion "can't they just look out a window?"
Windows are a structural weakness.
And then later when your attacking a Geth station again Jokers like, "Yeah, they definitly won't try the 'no wind' thing twice." Funniest thing ever.
@@tenebrisevernight I think that was the Dreadnaught mission in ME3
Still, they might have optical sensors...
@@MsTalia1 *does a mocking imitation of a robot*
"Brightly glowing photo-receptor"
Just think about that for a second.
Like A flashlight strapped to a camera lens
Only good explanation I can think of would be if it was a form of emmited vision instead or a typical eye
I love how Carl reviews games, his needs are
Does the story make sense
And is it badass?
I ducking love that
"Do i have a soul"
The very fact you ask that question proves that you do.
Reminds me of Westworld Season 1: "If you can't tell, does it matter?"
Bioware back when it was actually Bioware, is one of the worst losses in gaming.
Ever since the doctors left. I put it up there with Westwood & Lionhead for losses to gaming.
Yeah... even when you take into consideration that it was the “B Team” that wrote the story and dialogue of ME: Andromeda (both things BioWare used to be famous for) that means the supposed “A Team” were the ones working on Anthem. Which isn’t really much better...
I have no hope for a new Dragon Age.
@@kj8840 they didn’t just leave, they got so sick and tired of the bullshit of AAA gaming that they left the industry entirely...
@@stryletz Actually not true. At least some of the former BioWare employees have created a new company called Archetype Entertainment with the intention to create a new Sci-Fi RPG game. Some RUclipsr I was watching was talking about how to expect some interesting stuff from these guys in the future.
@@ky5666 I was talking about the company's founders, the Doctors Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk.
"Does this unit have a soul?"
*NOT IF I MURDER YOU FAST ENOUGH* - A Quarian, probably.
I absolutely love Karls enthusiasm for Mass Effect, I absolutely love the game and share the same amount of excitement whenever I talk about it.
I think it really shows the strength of Mass Effect that multiple people can have such strong and opposing views on the same issue or plot point. These guys talk about the Geth and the Quarians in ways I never ever really viewed them.
Really? While I was never quite as harsh against the Quarians (at least the ones living today who only have the stories told to them by their ancestors to go on) they were always clearly at fault to my view even from the first game.
@@FireDragons42 Really really. I guess I felt that the Quarians had suffered enough and the fact that literally every other race has also commited genocide. I guess I just find it unfair and hypocritical of every other race to gang up on the Quarians. What's worse, accidental genocide or planned genocide?
@@DirtyFishy I assume you are referring to the Rachni with the other genocide, or possibly you are referring to the genophage. For the Rachni they had been corrupted by Sovereign and they really had no choice in the matter. For the genophage they made a mistake, trying to solve the problem of the Krogan. They fucked up and they rightly hold the blame for it. Of course in that case the intent wasn't to kill the Krogan off, but to limit their population which isn't quite as bad as a full on genocide.
Still, just because someone else fucked up too doesn't mean you get off the hook for having fucked up yourself. It seems like everyone was working real hard to screw over everyone and while it had reached a sort of status quo when humanity arrived on the scene (a common theme in Sci Fi is humanity fucking up the normal when we show up - it's our 'hat'). I wasn't saying the Quarians of the time of the game should be punished for it as none of the quarians alive had anything to do with the attempted genocide of the geth, but it was without question that the quarians were on the wrong side of that conflict.
@@FireDragons42 It's certainly an interesting take on the events, from my playthrough every time 'The Council' or other characters brought up the fact that the Geth were the Quarians fault and I reminded them of their past transgressions they seemed pretty happy to blow it off as 'justified' and 'doing what needed to be done'. I don't know how you (The Council) can honestly believe that jumping straight to genocide as the first and only possible choice is incredible to me.
You are right about the making a mistake doesn't mean you can make a mistake, it's just the hypocrisy I can't stand.
Although I do have to disagree with you that culling isn't as bad as genocide or that Humanity came in and started messing things up. The Turians tried to genocide us as soon as they first saw us. Which considering they'd been a part of the galactic stage for some point at that time, you'd think they'd be more enlightened than to just open fire straight away.
@@DirtyFishy The best part is that most of the reason the Quarians CONTINUED to suffer was because they refused to just go back and promise to not be assholes, since the Geth were maintaining their home world in the hopes theyd come back and not pull out the gat.
As for the council being "okay" with the genocide of Geth, I think thats because almost no one really saw the Geth as Sapient beings, just advanced programs. No matter how many automated macros you have going, you cant gennocided Microsoft Excell after all.
Also the Turians didnt attempt to genocide humanity the conflict between them and humanity kicked off when before we met any aliens we tried to activate a mass relay that was ordered to never be used by intergalactic law after the Rachni wars, and the Turians decided toshoot first adn ask questions later (im assuming to make sure Rachni didnt spread), and while humanity saw it as their first contact event turning into a war, the Turians only saw it as a police action against an ignorant species to uphold intergalactic law and the whole event lasted 3 months. "In the end, only six hundred and twenty-three human lives were lost with slightly more turian casualties. The only notable engagements were the turian attack on Shanxi and its subsequent liberation by human forces. "
I love the bit in ME2 where you get Legion to tell you why he used your armor to patch himself up
Couldn't have they simply gone "Really sorry guys, due to some security concerns we've come to the conclusion to freeze your self-learning protocols and downsizing the operation. We understand our actions may not be understandable to you as creations of pure logic but many Quarian citizens and higher-ups are paranoid about the staggering speed of your developement, this is the only action we can take which could defuse those fears."?
I can understand it's easy as a creator species to see their creation, even achieving of pseudo-sentience, as nothing more as a machine knowing their ins and outs mechanically and in their programming, but given the concerns were about the Geth having this ability of thinking enough they would question their creators at the very least I would have tried to use some small measure of diplomacy, while still asserting the will of the creator as absolute despite lacking in perceived sense.
tHe issue with that is that its basically saying, "Sorry, your too advanced, please die." The quarians feared a geth revolt, so why would they not only warn what they believe is an opposing force of their declaration of war, but also basically say that the geth are strong enough to potentially win?
Still despicable.
In my one full playthrough of the series, I managed to get the Geth and Quorians to unify. Apparently, it's really difficult to do without a guide, but I love the fact that in my version of the story, the Geth enhance the Quarian encounter suits so that they can get the constant care they need for their immune systems to recover, and they have to be dependent on the Geth for a while.
EDI is actually the remains of an AI salvaged from the mission from Mass Effect 1 on Earth's moon when Shepard has to stop a rampaging AI. The anxiety of AI and its inherent hostility to organic life is a pretty central theme to the whole of the trilogy. As so far the understood ways of developing AI in the ME universe through some sort of quantum black box result in an unavoidably hostile psychopathic super brain. I vaguely remember, beyond the Luna mission, I think there's also a megalomaniac vending machine in ME1. And, of course the Reapers are the OG example of out of control non-organic intelligence.
I would always try to save both the Geth and Quarians because ultimately, the Geth would that them too. Legion is probably my favorite character in the series. With Tali being a close second. :\
Geth: "Mommy, Daddy, Please come back. Please love me."
Quarians: DIE DIE DIE
Geth: I can be anything you want dad
Quarians: I WANT YOU TO BE DEEEAD
last time i was this early the quarians didn't have to wear masks
Legion is my favorite character from the series.
Garrus is still my bro, but Legion is definately up there.
Tali is bae.
Wonder if they'll ever make an alternate history game where humanity's first contact is with the geth instead of the council races?
@@singularleaf3895 The one on the upload was finished. The other one unfortunately not.
i was so excited to meet legion
and helping them and tali become friends
was alot of fun
The moment I got to the end of Mass Effect 3 and had everyone show up for the final battle, including the Geth, was one of my favorite moments in the series.
Then the original ending happened...
I'm with you, the extended endings helped immensely though. If they had come out with that version first, doubt the ending fiasco would have happened.
@@otakon17 I disagree. While the extended ending made attempts to provide closure it did so in a way that made no sense whatsoever to the lore what had been said before. The only true way to have salvaged it would have been to do a post ending ending showing that indoctrination theory was correct and have you continue from that breath taken in the rubble of the Destroy ending with enough War Score.
@@otakon17 "You're decisions through out the series will have far reaching implications. We don't want just an A-B-C type ending"
Yeah naw, EA took a perfectly good IP and fucking ruined it as usual. ME3 will forever live as a steamy pile of crap due to the ending.
I’ve never played any Mass Effect but I think Karl and (far away) Lucas just talked me into it! Thanks lads!!
Lets not forget the statistic Legion gives that all conflicts between Quarians and the main geth mind were apparently started by the Quarians
@M33ble the Geth butchered 99,9% of the quarian people. Big surprise the Quarians assumed they were purely hostile.
@@Nutellafuerst they started the war so its only fair. You dont want your race to be wiped out then dont start shit.
@@9553shadow um no mate, it ain't fair... or justified in any way. a branch of the government taking action doesn't mean billions and billions of innocent men, women, and children "had it coming", Quarians are not geth, they are not a consensus. It could have been interesting if the Geth are now aware that they went way overbored but weren't aware of it at the time. But no, to this day, they still justify it, which would place a huge mistrust with any rational person. Hell even the council sided with the Geth despite the genocide, sent unarmed negotiators to the system, and the Geth killed them immediately, and has been doing that for 300 years.
The issue is that the conflict is portrayed as simply one-sided, Geth are completely innocent (except the ones in ME1 but the Geth don't count them even though they let them go) and Quarians are just unreasonable no matter what. It's silly
@@khoseftadros2775 Quarians are unreasonable. they attacked first and refuse to admit that the war was their fault. what the geth did is bassicaly the same as the us in ww2. They showed superiority and once the enemy surrendered they did not attack further. And as you know most civilians were killed by the quarians for siding with the geth.
@@9553shadow again, Quarians are not a consensus, they had a authoritarian government. There’s a clear difference between showcasing power and superiority that may cause collateral damage and downright genocide that actively killed 99.9% of the entire population the VAST majority would be civilians getting killed, and those who protected the Geth were very few as Legion stated. And you make it sound like ww2 was reasonable somehow...
Yes the Quarian government was unreasonable, but so were the Geth. And no they only stopped simply because they didn’t know the consequences of wiping out a species, not out of mercy, they did not leave a quarter, they left much less than that. So you are objectively wrong on saying they stopped when they surrendered, they didn’t stop because they surrendered, they stopped out of lack of knowledge of the repercussions if they decided to go full-on genocide after they just wiped 99.9% of the population.
"The answer shouldn't be, to murder the f*ck out of it" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ah yes, the Geth. The reason that made me hate the Quarians with burning passion in Mass Effect 2 and especially Mass Effect 3. This will be a fun reminder to watch.
The quarians were idiots yes, didnt stop me from romancing Tali tho
Lol only the quarians see a galaxy spanning assault by giant World ending machines and go "yeah.... We should totally start a war with the geth again... Hell let's go all in this time and send the whole flotilla"
I dont hate the quarians as they are paying for their ancestors sins, it is like how the German people felt after WW1, they fucked up, but their children were paying for something they had no control over.
@@albar428 Well, the difference is: Quarians still feel like the vctims and any attempt at negotiations was shot down by them. Hell, Tali (if made right choices in 2) said she was attempting diplomacy but was outvoted 3 to 2. The thing with Germans is that Hitler basically made a coup and siezed power after chancellor's death. No one dared to oppose because it meant death, and those who did were killed. Modern Germans don't share Hitler sentiments.
However, it is very clear that Quarians do share this entitled victim card still going and Quarians like Tali or Admiral Korris (was that is name?) are outvoted by majority, making same mistakes their ancestors did. With same hate going, it's basically parent lacking the self-awarness and passing down the hate while attempting to absolve themselves of any crime. They hit and abused a child, a sentience that just started to crawl, and made a pikachu face when it retaliated. Also, they murdered any Quarians defending the geth (and you can see clearly Geth being friendly with them). I believe it is implied all Quarains defending Geth were killed in the Consensus part and then PURPOUSEFULLY forgotten.
So, to me it seems like "children paying for the mistakes of previous generation" doeasn't apply here, where they commit same mistakes. Sure, one could make argument about previous generation making it so by erasing inconvinient past, but nothing stopped the next gen to do some historical research. It's clear majority doesn't bother. Honestly, they come off as a bunch of sheep following "muh glory past days, forget our sins, they don't exsist." That is to say, Geth are responsible for their crimes, but everything was escalated by Quarains as the Geth didn't want to fight at first, but they also didn't want to die either. A kind of sentient organic quality there.
Wow. That was longer than expected. Tried to break it into paragraphs to make it easier to read :p
@@monikaszalkowska9419 That is exactly what happened to the German people, they found Hitler to be a person who could restore them to their former glory. I'm replaying mass effect 2 and made it to the scene where Tali talks about how her father was planning on making a home for her on their world. She talked about how humans could never understand, we have so many freedoms they dont, they cant even enjoy lives on their own ships without their protective suits.
You as a player are able to look at it from a rational perspective, but as history has shown when you are actually in it, you aren't thinking rationally, they are angry at what was "taken" from them, which was a normal lifestyle where they could live without fear.
I listened to a bunch of these months ago but this time I'm watching and I wanted to say, genius move texting back and forth to get the lines and to keep fluidity with the content 👌
"Geth to the Choppah!"
Ok ok i was think why the fuck did this have so many likes and i then read it slowly and facepalmed from my own stupidness.... have my like
@@thespaceman4808 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill it.
*looks at the fluid on the ground, looks up at Harbinger*
"One Ugly Mother-"
*Shepard Interrupts*
"Geth DOWN!"
*later*
Tali: "I think teaching Legion puns may have been a... big mistake."
Joker: "... It was either that or having him watch a lot of old Arnold films"
I'm going there now. :D
*said by the love child of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mike Tyson
This has convinced me to finish playing Mass Effect. I've tried 1 and 2 several times, but it was never able to keep me engaged. You've made me want to persevere.
Oh man, the Geth are 1000% my favourite scifi race ever created. So infuriating though that the ending of ME3 just kind of neglected the conclusion of their storyline.
Not necessarily since if you play your cards right you can bring peace to the two races and have them live as equals, its also the trigger for the synthetic ending
@@convictedsauces6875 What I'm referring to is the fact that the peaceful ending between the two races is literally - synthetic and organic life co-existing, and then the ending just flies in the face of that by saying it's literally impossible, forcing you to either - destroy, enslave, or hybridise. There's literally no co-exist option. And don't you dare try to sell me that hybridisation is co-existing. Honestly, that's like saying that assimilating to the borg is coexisting.
The Krogans are the best.
@@SuperboyLilly I mean if I'm being honest my entire top 3 favourite scifi races are from ME - 1 being geth, 2 being krogan, 3 being salerian
I love saving both races because you see them get along and prosper together which is what the geth really wanted
This was a big part of why I hated the ending of ME3. The Star Child uses as its reason for the Reapers as being that AI will always kill off organics. And here I am thinking that in no possible run is that played out with the Geth. The Geth achieved sentience and the Quarians try to destroy them. The Geth fight for survival and win. They choose to let the Quarians go. They maintain the homeworld for their eventual return and keep to themselves. In ME2 we learn that the Geth who attacked Citadel space only did so because of the influence of the Reapers, specifically Navara. Then in ME3 the Quarians are idiots again and attack despite the fact that Tali or Shepard could easily tell them that the Geth would let them come home if they just fucking asked and the Geth accept the Reaper's aid to survive and end up becoming enslaved by the Reapers. Then one of three things happens:
1) You help the Geth achieve true sentience free of the Reapers and they kill the Quarians - sure this looks bad, but really the Quarians just committed suicide by Geth by forcing a needless battle the Geth didn't want and making them choose to die or kill. In such a situation, no one can be blamed for choosing themselves and to defend against the aggression.
2) You help the Quarians kill off the Geth. And so the Geth never killed anyone. Sure they tried to defend themselves, but self defense is not evil. The Quarians were the aggressors here.
3) You make peace between the Quarians and the Geth. It's pretty easy to convince the Geth to the peace so long as you haven't been treating them like shit in the previous games because it is what they wanted all along. It's the Quarians you need to have the influence with to make them stop firing on their creations.
So in no case are the Geth responsible, and in no case did they ever have the mindset to destroy all organic life.
I remember questioning this from the very beginning of ME. The Geth were evil enemies only long enough to get that first lore dump about how they came to be and my question was instantly "And in the 300 years since this happened has no one thought to send them a message to try and talk about all this?" Even the AI you find siphoning credits on the CItadel, I wanted to help it if the game had given me an option.
The answer to the question: Does this Unit have a soul? Is, if you can ask that question and I have a soul, then so do you.
Finally! Someone who loves the Geth!
It blew my mind when Legion became a Squad Mate. Collectors are my all time favourite villain (because what they do is horrifying and is pretty simplistic), but thanks to Legion you get to explore the villains of Mass Effect 1 and see just how multidimensional a bunch of Robots can be.
If I remember correctly even as early as ME1 when the geth were just faceless enemies there was still enough backstory from talking to Tali that I thought that the geth were in the right in that conflict, as from listening to her I basically got the picture of 'We created robots to serve us, those robots are now thinking beings, that means we're currently enslaving an entire race and since *that* can't be true we'd best just destroy them.'
I literally just watched a legion compilation last night. Funny how coincidental happenings occur.
Just a tidbit that you may not know, depending on how you deal with Tali's loyalty mission and her confrontation with Legion in ME2 you have the opportunity to save both the Geth and Quarians. Don't sell out Tali's dad :P
I’m loving the passion for mass effect, it’s my favourite series of all time.
In the words of someone on some forum somewhere, Geth are based.
This episode literally makes me want to play through mass effect at least six more times. I lived interacting with the characters in the trilogy and this just adds depth to them even more so.
F*** it I know what I'm doing this weekend.
What I liked most about the Geth war efforts is that when combined with the Quarians they take seperet and sensible roles. The Geth take front line offenses against Reaper supply lines and the Quarians cover evacuations and other less dangerous humanitarian logistics. Quarian fleet size lets them actually do a whole lot that doesn't require them to put their innocent civilians in too much danger. The Quarians also take credit for quickly destroying a Reaper with fleet wide concentrated orbital bombardment.
easter egg:
EDI is made from the AI that went rampant on Luna (the moon). There is a side quest in ME1 where you fight your way to its processors and destroy them. Cerberus recovers remnants of the AI to make EDI. You can learn this from a Cerberus terminal, I think in ME3. EDI has known this whole time, and basically forgave you before meeting in ME2.
That was an incredibly simplicity view of the Geth and they're society. Throughout the games trilogy they worship false gods, lie to the collective, have a terroristic faction of the Geth try to wipeout the rest of the collective and a whole host of other things. They were not a perfect society. But still it's cool to hear a channel talk about one of my favorite games even if I do disagree with your take.
Tali is usually my love interest and reminds me of one of my close college friends. So I can never see her die.
Mass Effect's world building is absolutely amazing, they pulled wisely from what is there and created a properly, well build and designed science fiction universe that adheres to it's own rules.
oh god, I just recently started working my way through the trilogy again. and now this. wonderful :)
There are a lot of stories about Giotto.
The most famous is his big O.
Pope Boniface VIII wanted to commission some paintings for St. Peter’s and so he sent a courtier around to find the best painter in Italy. The courtier asked all the artists to give him a sample of their work to send to the Pope. He came to Giotto’s workshop, explained his mission, and asked him for a drawing which would give the Pope some idea of his competence and style. “Sure,” said Giotto; and he laid down a sheet of paper, reached for a brush dipped in red paint, closed his arm to his side to make a sort of compass of it, and in one even sweep scribed a perfect circle. “There you are,” he told the courtier, handing it to him with a smile.
“That’s your drawing?” asked the courtier, who didn’t know whether Giotto was pulling his leg. “Is that all you’re going to send His Holiness?”
“That’s more than enough,” said Giotto. “Send it with your other drawings and see whether it’s understood or not.”
The Pope’s messenger took the drawing and went away trying to hold his temper. Did that little painter think he was a fool?
When he got back to Rome he showed the Pope the big O and told him how Giotto had scribed it-freehand, without a compass. The pope and his advisors DID understand the achievement of that O and gave Giotto the commission.
Do you think it would be possible to make the quarantine reminder bounce around like a dvd screen saver
Does this unit have a soul? 😭❤
I always loved the Geth, there's just something about them that is amazing
i like the window being put into Karls chest window
I like it when the quarian geth war happens in me3 the geth we're in the middle of building a giant computer for just there entire race to live upon and basically just evolve and work together in perfect unison
God I love Mass Effect so much. I just started another play through from ME1 and it's just so good
Lets be honest, the geth are like the galaxy'smost loyal and faithful children, no amount of abuse can truly sway them away from wanting to help the quarians in the end.
You'd think in them asking "Do I have a soul?" would be a sign of curiosity, which in turn is a venture to acquire more knowledge to know more of one's self. I wouldn't think something without a soul would even concern them with something like a soul. So I like to think they have souls. :D
If I remember correctly, the reason why the Quarians tried to destroy the Geth, was because development of AI was forbidden in Citadel space. When they realized the Geth had gained sentience, they panicked and tried to destroy them to hide what was in essence, a crime.
Wasn't it the Geth 'Uprising' that caused the development of AI to be forbidden?
I'm about to do the IFF mission and these Mass Effect wiki dives have timed perfectly with my lockdown ME run, it's super satisfying
Mate, i just gotta remind everyone that you never have ads on your vids and you're the G.O.A.T. for that.
Before watching this video I watched Legal Eagle's video covering the exact episode of Star Trek: TNG mentioned in this "episode"...it's incredibly rare I see two of my favorite YT channels that have NO other connections reference the same thing...also talking about two of my favorite things - Star Trek and Mass Effect!!
You can tell this guy loves that the green screen was created just so he could fuck about with it
The Quarians bastard kneejerk reaction to discovering the Geth had become sentient was one of the most tragic but believable things in the ME backstory. They realized the Geth were in fact slaves and immediately were overtaken by fear about the impending slave uprising that *must* be imminent. Their immediate crackdown, driven by existential fear, produced a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I will freely admit. If my computer asked me if it had a soul, my first instinct would be to destroy my hard drive. Then dump everything in a barrel of acid, just to be sure.
I'm about as much of a mass effect fan as possible without actually playing any of the games or even watching any full playthroughs other than me1.
I keep wanting to play it (hence why I haven't watched many playthroughs) but by the time I was able to the remaster got leaked so now I'm waiting for that
I'm jealous you get to play ME1-3 with fresh eyes.
What @Klijipo said.
To be fair galactic society is right to not want to build AI until the current problem is dealt with.
Before the Geth and space travel I have suspicions that like humanity, the Quarians had a dark past comprised of enslaving other Quarian ethnicities (explaining their view of Geth as just tools). Also suspect they started wearing helmets and suits before the exodus, from either a period environmental collapse, periods of biological warfare or both. I always go for peace between the Geth and Quarians because watching Tali dive off a cliff is painfull.
The Mourning war started because a Geth platform asked its owner "Does this unit have a soul?"
Windows are structural weaknesses.
The Geth have spoken.
The shirt illusion though. Bro maybe I'm behind but this the coolest shiii I seen in a bit online. I see the background through the middle of your shirt. Wild cool
Carl: "Fuck the Quarians."
Me, romancing Tali: "Don't mind if i do."
13:30 editor might be a geth using all available space efficiently haha
In ME3 you can save both quarian and geth but Legion still dies.
The best part of all of this is if you save both Geth and Quarians...Geth with no hard feelings at all integrate themselves into Quarian suits and immediately start to repair their immune systems. Geth are best bois/gurls
A ME video from you guys is always going to be banger and you didn’t not disappoint with this bad boy
Karl's tattoo makes him look like a really high-end Virtual Vlogger\Streamer model that lost chunks of polygons on the arm.
I agree that the Quarians 100% learned the wrong lesson from their war with the Geth, but to me the lesson they took was not "if we make more AIs, don't try to murder them right away" and more "if we make more AIs, just make 'em dumber"
The geth are the coolest race to me, they are the most 'alien' race in a universe full of aliens. There needs are different from organic beings, the way the communicate and mindset are totally different(like not having an economy and build giant space stations, dreadnaughts, communication hubs etc.)
"what is humanity's weird obsession with windows?"
> *turns Karl's shirt into a fuckin' window*
I love how much you guys love mass effect
On the one hand I agree with not killing the sentient ai you created. On the other hand when my talking toy started talking without me pushing its button I threw it across the room. So I understand the impulse
I love that there is all these possibilities for legion and I barely knew mine and he got vaporized in the final mission in mass effect 2
You can actually get the Geth and the REASONABLE Quarians.