Just finished this video, The roommate left town , moved away from the area and didn't help with the investigation. WOW that say a lot in my mind. Hope they find her and talk to her If she didn't do it, she seems to have been involved and knows more.
She also went shopping in wader boots...we're parking lots flooded or did she stop and do some fly fishing...body was probably transferred in that cherry red car..I suspect the room mate!
me cooper1 I believe the roommate has a part in all this! You can clearly hear laughter in the background of the 911 call. Why was she in the video with boots on? Also saying loudly that the door is locked. I bet she unlocked it ams then locked it again.
Sad. I spent a lot of time with with my Aunt almost every weekend growing up. She had "voices" in her head that progressed rather rapidly. Around 12, my last weekend ended as my cousins and I watched her eat a grocery bag of meds trying to "make them stop screaming" I've never forgotten that day. She's still alive, unfortunately not a whole lot better but that was only after several shock treatments to her brain. She doesn't even remember them but my cousins and I will never forget how terrified she was of what they were asking her to do. Mental illness is a scary thing I believe we still don't know enough about. I just hope she died as peaceful as possible. It's hard to deal with physical pain but when your head has the problem, there is no escape.
Truey Lewis "when your head is the problem there is no escape" This is so, so true. I often struggle to try to explain to people my rationale when I say that sometimes I wish I had lost my legs or something of that sort rather than have chronic depression, general anxiety and PTSD. Neurotypical people cant always wrap their minds around the idea that your mind is trying to torture and kill you. What you said is right on point. There simply is no escape.
I am also so sorry that you had to watch your aunt through all of that. It must have been very disturbing for you and your cousins. I wish you all the best and I hope your aunt can find some peace.
Truey Lewis Maybe her room mate was gaslighting her. Making her worse doe some reason. There was clearly laughter in the backlog that 911.call. I think she unlocked the door and then locked it. I think someone was playing games with her.
snakey973 Yea people put way too much emphasis on the dog talking. I talk to my animals all the time.Guess I’m just having a constant breakdown 🙄 Honestly there was something going on with the 911 calls BUT the dog talking is nothing IMO
I am left to wonder if she possibly was having a break in reality. I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder- and paranoia and delusions happen. When I listen to her call it reminds me of some of my episodes before I was medicated. Additionally, a boyfriend I had several years ago was diagnosed as Bipolar- he had an episode where I found him walking down the street in only his boxers in the middle of winter calling my name - again before he was diagnosed and medicated. Mental health is a huge problem because so many people go undiagnosed.
Fellow person with BPD here! I would absolutely agree with your statement; When having an episode, delusions and hallucinations can seem so real and also be so entirely confusing. Especially if you're unaware that you're dealing with an illness, and you (or others around you) aren't able to comprehend or identify what you're dealing with. I also saw someone else in the comments mention that it could possibly also be Schizophrenia, as Kayelyn was around the age that the onset of symptoms would start. It's just something to think about. Irregardless, this is an unfortunate, heart-wrenching event, and I just hope that whatever the case (whether mental illness, drug use, or foul play), that there may be peace and resolution eventually.
***** I'd also agree with you - Unfortunately, law enforcement and investigators aren't so apt when it comes to actually piecing together theories and considering other possibilities (I do see a lot of these cases getting chocked up to being the result of bad drug trips, mental illness, etc). I also strongly dislike how easily evidence and cases are disregarded and explained away as being the result of mental illness due to the fact that a person may have dealt with mental illness (such as Kayelyn - where we only have a bit of evidence suggesting she dealt with some minor depression), and it usually being something more, "minor" like anxiety. TLDR; Law enforcement can be totally biased, ignorant, and flawed more than I'd even like to admit.
Thanks Erica for the insight. It must have been a very surreal experience before you were medicated. I have a couple questions if u don't mind me asking, just so I can get more of an idea of what you experienced, so myself and other can get a glimpse into how a person would feel and act during a "psychotic episode" before being diagnosed and medicated... What kind of delusions did u experience? Auditory AND hallucinatory? What did you see/hear that others said wasn't "real"? Can you give an example of the paranoia you Before you were diagnosed, did u experience any depression and/or a very stressful situation occur beforehand? Did u ever wander off anywhere or do anything out of character that u norm wouldn't do before your diagnosis? Anything else you think would be beneficial for us to know, can you please share? I think it would help us all when we are reviewing these cases to give us better insight and more of an in-depth understanding of certain patterns of behavior.
+Allison Keirsey yeah I don't mind at all. For me it was a state of disassociation. I often would have episodes of feeling like I wasn't in my body and everything was a dream but for days on end. I would have auditory and even visual. I thought someone was watching me once, I thought people were coming to my house, I thought I heard my name when I would be home alone etc
+Erica Bradshaw you just described almost everything that she seemed to be experiencing too...I agree with you, I think it was a psychotic break from all the stress from her brother going to prison, losing her job, and who knows what else she was going thru. I know when I turned 30 I think I went thru a depression of sorts. It's like you have this idea/expectation when ur young about what life will be like when you're 30, and when i got there, essentially NOTHING I assumed would be accomplished by then happened for me (I wasn't married, I didn't have any kids, I was lost in what kinda career I wanted, etc.), and I bet you just THAT alone could of had an affect on her, ya know?!
I'm not a mental health expert, but I have seen people suffering from mental health issues... Unfortunately, she does seem to be exhibiting some tell tale signs of this as well. One side note John... I was wondering if you - or perhaps Bleu Meanie - have come across the sad, tragic story of the two Dutch girls, Froon and Kremers? They were studying in Panama (2014?), went for a day hike across the continental divide Panamanian jungles, and were never seen again. That in itself is a sad, but not uncommon scenario for inexperienced hikers... What makes this really spooky though, is that these two young women were possibly alive for another TEN days, in the jungle, snapping pictures and attempting to dial 911 and 112(?) seeking help. The photos are quite eerie - 87 of the 90 photos taken by the girls, were dark and showed almost nothing... Using as a light source? Perhaps delirious after 6-8 days already wandering the jungle? Two photos, if I remember correctly, were of the back of the head of the Kremer girl. Anyway John, you're the best at this, so I thought you might want to look into this yourself, and hopefully, come up with some more info - and of course, your take on this mystery... Keep up the awesome work!
Obviously as an outside party I can only speculate. Thoughts: -They need to do a more thorough autopsy if the autopsy was as bad as they said. -was the roomate even questioned? -The roomate sounded a bit annoyed at her in the 911 call. Maybe she had done this plenty of times before. -The father said she had a little bit of depression. Maybe they were like my friends family who doesn't *believe* there is such thing as depression. -Could she have walked that far? -Was she thinking she was being chased? -
What I don't understand is why didn't the 911 dispatcher ask to speak to the roommate during the call? We could hear her in the background replying to Kayelyn but no one asked her what was going on...it just seems odd to me.
I would think that the coroner would be able to tell from damage to the body whether she had traveled that far down a river as it would strikes rocks, trees etc..
Yeah great idea! And we'll start up the weather machine and just warm or cool the ocean and set up a couple mile wide fans to replicate the exact weather and water conditions. Unfortunately, if they didn't think to do that at the time, or at least have the info or access to the info to do it on a day with very similar weather and water height/conditions, they likely won't because too many variables. The bigger problem is that the police seem to have made their mind up on what happened here, and thus they feel it unnecessary and a waste to do such testing 👎👎👎
Eek, that came off as much more aggressive than I meant it to be, lol. I mean, I agree w/ you, I was just saying. I've followed the case for 2.5yrs, if you could call it 'following'. Nothing has changed 😥
yes, very strange indeed. and very often it seems with similar conditions. no abrasions, lacerations, etc. and the cause of death can never be determined.
Gerardo FW life is getting harder to live for the average person. job market is a lot more competitive, violence is rampant, it's a tough time to be alive.
Hi John - i am a newbie to watching your videos mate, after 11 years living on mainland china is nice to be able access youtube again ! Actually found your vid's after researching a little on the 'Lars Mittag' case, i do think they great - expecting a really biased [AMerican style] conspiracy but , thankfully, seems you always do really fair, open & balanced as best as you can do, reports which is so refreshing - esp. After seeing so much other crap on here past few weeks so i now a subscriber :-D THANKS & KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Another amazing coverage. I was out of my internet connection range last few days and boy was I happy to see a Searchlight and full BrainScratch up on youtube. Have a great weekend.
I agree. I believe the roommate knows more. This educated woman never had problems or showed signs of mental illness until this happened to her. That's crazy. Whomever did this wanted the public and her family to believe this lady was loosing her mind and suicidal. Wrong. I looked beyond this bullshit. This lady is clearly running from something or someone on this video. She loved her dog, no way she would've left her best friend. Family is right to be suspicious. Better checkout roommate story real close.
@@lynnettemccauley277 Obviously she's running from or to something. That's not what's in question. Do you even know the details? There's no one in the footage at all. She was seeing ghosts earlier in the day and most likely was again and she was running from nothing. Paranoid delusions. She sounded manic to me. When your mind is all fucked up the last thing you care about or think about is your damn dog lol of course she would leave the dog. You're thinking emotionally and not logically. Maybe she was on a bad mix of pills who knows. Just a bad accident, no one murdered her lol
John you always present a very organized, detail oriented Brainscratch. It sounds like there were some.mental health issues, paranoia with possible psychosis.
ruclips.net/video/2MEbqPnyUVw/видео.html Eerie foreshadowing of things to come. Note Mom's minimizing reference to Colton's having a bit of depression, as was later hinted at re Kayelyn. He, too, would end up delusional, albeit as a result of meth abuse. Then there's the twin aspect, which troubles me. And finally, Kayelyn's own words re her bro & suicidal ideation. For what it's worth, deceased uncle was on meth as well. Dysfunctional family dynamic a contributing factor? Parents in denial re seriousness of twins' mental illness/mood disorder? This is all speculative, I'm not making any accusations, there just seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes that may have been of importance in both instances.
Somethings not right with that roomie either, Im so mad at these cops for not investigating better!! If the death is even a lil suspicous, they should investigate as foul play until proven otherwise. I doubt she'd just up an leave her dog, something was going on! I wonder why her dog didnt follow her as well? The not knowing is awful! Pray for her and the family!
woo hoo! ive been waiting for a recent brain scratch, seeming that I was on a brain scratch bender durring a recent illness and have literally watched EVERY episode. I just want to say you rock!! the way you cover these stories are in depth, done not only intelligently, but compassionately, with respect for the parties involved in the cases you cover. whats most impressive is you make it look so easy! I hope your channel never goes away. thanks and keep up the good work !
Thanks for posting this. You actually found a story that I have no knowledge of, now I am intrigued!!! I do not know what to think, even if she was "losing" it that night of the 911 calls it still doesn't explain how she got so far. I read a post that said a girl seen a women being forced in a red car. Is that why the red car was shown on the surveillance tapes? What about the roommate, what do we know about their situation? Something isn't right here with this case.
Does anyone know who is " cackling ?" Happens after he asks can u still hear them? I really feel the roommate knows more than she's telling.. It can't b her as it happens same time she's answering the 911 op?
That creek can get pretty swift when it rains. I've fallen in that exact creek upstream from her condo and had to be helped out. I almost ended up in the Jordan river myself.
These videos seem to be out of sequence. Do you know what order they go? Part 1, Part 3, and Part 6 has the silver missing. Part 2, Part 4, and Part 5, it's there
+Courtrhebekah I believe they go, part 5, 4, 3, 1, 2, 6. Since we know the roommate left before Kayelyn disappeared, and part 2 was the last time she was seen.
We need more details from the roommate... Perhaps the roommate knows a lot more than anyone in this. Perhaps people were in her apartment and she locked herself in her room and her roommate knowing this told the police she was crazy when they arrived. Perhaps there was fighting and a gunshot but they instead said it was just the wedding that was going on. Perhaps her roommate was doing innaproporate things and she was trying to reach out (calling again but then hanging up) and her roommate got sick of it and had her taken out... The roommate should be key here
Beautyandessex I just listened to the third 911 call and I heard laughter from a female right after he asks her name he then asks "can you still hear them?" The laugh almost sounds sinister. It's at approximately 3:35
We've had 6 deaths of young teen girls here and they were all found in the water and all ruled suicide. So frustrating. It seems like closing a case as suicide is less work than admitting there may be a murderer. Every case of a missing person should be treated as a potential homicide until it can be ruled out, rather than treated as a runaway u less they can rule something else in.
does anyone know where to find the audio or transcripts of the first two 911 calls? also, just wanted to say i'm a longtime watcher who doesn't ever comment or subscribe to things, but LordanARTS, you have officially now been subscribed. i really appreciate the very objective and non-exploitative approach to cases and the kindness with which you treat the people you are discussing. please keep it up!
I wanted to say, I live in Utah, in 2014, we had EXTREME rain conditions. We had a severe flood my town near the same time she disappeared. Im surprised we didn't have anyone in my area swept away by the water... So her falling in seems like a possibility.
Just discovered your page and I love it! You’re so sincere with the families, I love that you put their loved ones in NAMEUS. Also, I love Crime after Crime!
She may have not been on any illegal substances but I've seen (and experienced myself) people do some INSANE stuff on no sleep and antihistamines, xanax, lorazepam, weight loss pills etc. Especially if you mix a few of them together.
PODCASTHUNTERS with Mina & Mirela - That’s an important question, WHAT was found IF anything in her system. I think it’s odd that her autopsy in this day and age could reveal so little. Was that a NORMAL state of decomposition if left 2 months in the river; when they went looking for her, they did not ever check there, nor was there any inspection of that tunnel before that body was found??
I just wanna know why we have to assume that she floated the ENTIRE way??? She could have def walked 4-5 miles, came upon an area of it she wasn't entirely familiar with, slipped on some wet mud or grass and fell in, right? And if the water levels were high enough, I'm sure that a white water/rip tide type of thing could've pulled her under and she drowned around where she was found or just upstream from there?
Of course its possibly she walked the area and slipped, I would just like to see the test done to rule that theory out if possible. One less thing to ponder on
With her leaving her beloved dog behind, her depression over her brother and her job situation, her apparent mental break with reality...I think this lovely young woman ended her life. Something else I wondered, with it being Utah, was if she was Mormon. This isn't meant as a slam, but Utah has a very high rate of anti-depressant use, as well as one of the highest rates of suicide among young men. Mormonism demands a very high level of personal performance, perfection, almost, and it can be very depressing for some who feel they aren't meeting the standard. I've also read that there tends to be a lot of judgment between themselves, so with what happened with her brother, and now struggles in her own life, Kayelyn could have felt a ton of pressure if she was LDS. Idk, either way, just could have been another straw. I hope she has peace wherever she is now.
John, I have watched this three times and really to me, it has all the trappings of what David Paulides' main issues cite as similar factors to his researched disappearances. The lady was found in a body of water near her home with no evidence of scrapes or scratches on her body indicative of falling into and or/flailing around in bushes and rocks in a river. Also she disappeared but was not found in that area she was eventually found dead. This is common about the Paulides disappearances, where they search the area that bodies are found long after the area has been initially, repeatedly searched. Also, like you mentioned, the Elisa Lam case, where there is some 'incoherent behavior' happening, this lady has that too, in her strange looking surveillance video actions and also the strange phone call where she apparently 'hears people taking things' out of her condo, which was unsubstantiated by the roommate, but, how do we know the roommate is telling the real story too? Sounds very fishy to me, very. Anyway just my two cents as a novice 'brainscratcher' following you. Oh, one more thing, I lived in Northern Utah, Logan to be exact, which is about 1.5 hours northwest of Murray. I witnessed torrential rains there often. This area near the Wasatch mountain range is notorious for winter (and sometimes summer/spring) intense periods of heavy rain. Even though the video may not reflect that, it is possible the rains were worse before or after the videos were shot. The rains can be intermittent, but seriously heavy and very dangerous to be near bodies of water during these times. I have seen the Logan river so high that water spills out across the highway that runs through there on the way to Idaho, so I am sure the Jordan river does the same. Just a thought about that.
Zoe Marlowe I havr watched this video many times too and also noticed a lot of similarities with the Paulides disappearances. What I noticed was the confusion, the water and not to mention the huge boulder. Paulides mentions that somehow boulders are involved? The fact that she may have been placed in the water, the fact that she was found 5 miles from where she was last seen. It's strange, yet so sad for Kayelyn.
Zoe Marlowe Wow, I was searching for a comment about the possible water level. (Already wanted to ask if anybody knows something about it). Cause as we all know a small creek can turn into a big river after weeks/months of heavy raining. Being from Europe I don't know very much about the Paulides' cases. Just have heard about his most famous "Missing 411" reports and books. Cases which happened in national parks but more in desert like, dry regions. Didn't know there're lots of cases of unharmed corpses floating in the water too. (I mean besides the theory of the smiley face killings of course).
Yea man. It’s a strange one. What do you guys think about the missing 411 cases? Underground bases, Sasquatch or inter dimensional beings...maybe breakaway technology?
sally smith I have to get the book. I’ve heard the author on higher side chats, I think, and coast to coast. Craziness for sure. I totally can see that type of technology being very real. Dunno if you’re into alien abduction stories but this book THE MOJAVE INCIDENT is a strange one too. Supposed true story of a terror inducing weekend in the Mojave desert of a youngish couple and what appears to be non human entities. I kept thinking of CHAMELEO and what i knew about the book while reading the Mojave incident. Definitely worth reading. Thanks Sally.
Very weird. Maybe she walked or drove there because of her depression. I know when I was at my most depressed I would just kind of walk or drive around aimlessly trying to find new places. Maybe she ran into trouble while walking around alone and not being able to protect herself. Also she could have been dumped there if it was in fact a homicide.
The last two surveillance videos were of her roommate, there's gotta be a reason why the cops included those, right? Her roommate seems to be acting fishy throughout this whole ordeal (before and after her death). If it were a homicide, she would be my first person of interest. But it's possible it was a suicide or accidental death. Another case where more questioning should have been done by the police but wasn't. What the hell is going on with the police these days? I know there are good, respectable cops out there, but these days there seems to be less and less of them. :(
Just my observations but I tend to believe that this woman could have been gaslit. You can clearly hear the laughter on that 911 call. I believe someone was there and the roomate was in on it. Sad. No mental illness was in her history or did it run in her family. Sucks. She was so beautiful with a good future in front of her. This case smacks the Elisa Lamm case.
A couple of things that I'm wondering about. 1. It seems that looking at the surveillance video, she always seems to go down to the creek behind her apartments taking the same route. If she had fallen into the creek there, you would think there would be video of her going down to the creek and not returning. 2. I was wondering if the police did any checking of surveillance video from surrounding shops, gas stations etc... any place that might have shown her walking to the place she was finally discovered?
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Her losing her job at a private school has me wondering...what really happen that she lost her job? Do you know that some very small towns way out. More than 100 miles away from a decent coroner have a Veterinarian do the autopsies. Or other non medical personall. Just thought I'd mention that. I know she was in a larger city.
I'm sure the roommate Carole has provided some insight about her. They lived together and shared the same personal space. So why no info on what the roommate said to detectives?
I’m fairly new here and have pretty much been binge watching. You do an excellent job. You’re so thorough and caring. In a town not too far from me a five year old was abducted a month ago. Her name is Dulce Maria Alvarez from Bridgeton, NJ. If possible, please do a show on her. Thank you.
roomate could of been setting her up...making noises...etc. did either owe money to each other...or have disagreement over friends...boyfriend...? also the fact that there is no interview forth coming...from roomate...she could of slipped her a "mickey"....who is the roomate...how long friends...here we go...last person to see her...makes you wonder..roomate could of taken most of posessions....also the way she took off..not helpful at all...
This case always dwells on my mind, this girl seemed truly lovely. Mental illness is a horrible thing, it's always hard to hear about other people who are suffering at it's hands
Hey GeekenDorx! Had a long vacation, I get lost a couple of weeks every time visiting Greece. You still doing a great job, was looking forward to your videos! Did this girl have any run-ins with the police before this happened? Drug problems? Any of her friends said anything about this prior to her disappearance? Or does her brother have a debt of some kind? Some of it sounds like withdrawal symptoms, and that may lead to an abnormal condition. But then again, over 2 months in a creek? In a city on high alert?
Unless I've not run across it yet, as I am rather new to the channel, I'd love to hear your take on Johnny Gosch. He was the first person to be put on a milk carton I guess. I was driving a couple weekends home after a concert and caught Coast to Coast AM and they were speaking with the mother. There's a documentary called "Who took Johnny" that breaks down the case but, near the very end, the mother contradicts herself to me and it's driven me crazy!! Look forward to seeing something from you about this.
I live in So Salt Lake and 1. the weather here is extremely unpredictable 2. I don't think her body could have possibly gone that far, there are too many dams, sewer pipes for her body to travel that far. 3. This seems to me to be an abduction and dump murder, not an accident.
Good video, John. Definitely a brainscratch of a case. I did briefly analyze the location on Google Earth. It appears the particular path in the video leads from the condo to the parking lot/garage. Her walking (with) the dog towards the camera indicates she is taking the dog out, rather than back in (and that her roommate is shown leaving in the respective footage in which she is shown walking). I also noticed that just adjacent to the corner of the parking structure where the camera is attached (out of view in the footage) is what looks like a walkway into an area where she possibly took her dog. This may be the basis for the disconcertion of her jogging away from the condo (assuming this is represented correctly by some media sources as the last footage of her, which I'm wondering about given no timestamp and it not being the first or last video in the listed sequence provided): where was she going without belongings? Also, this footage is shot opposite the side of the condo from where one would access the creek. Therefore the video gives no indication that she was or was not intending on visiting the creek area. Her being out of her right mind seems a reasonable hypothesis, considering the calls she made. I'm not confident that time and varying water levels do not suffice to explain how her body eventually reached the location where it was recovered.
This case definitely comes off as one of those David Paulides cases. Victim is found in water, no cause of death found, and victim found in an area that was previously searched. And to top it all off, the victim appears to have had some kind of psychotic episode or was otherwise on drugs/medication prior to her death. Man this is a tough one...
that hill behind it is the condos not a creek!! I live in Murray, Utah and my friend use to live in those same condos.. And it's very possible she Walked down to the front of her condos and that's where the creek is, and that area when it rains a lot it runs pretty fast but i just know that mostly small kids have only fell into it though.
Could she have been allergic to bees ? I might jump in the water to avoid a hospital stay. Leaving the dog seems the oddest to me. Some cops don't have respect for women and don't take us serious but mostly that's older men. Lovely looking young lady. Very sad.
yes, I try to wonder how the people the cops kills feel when interacting with cops, and I can't. Either the cops are hitting on us or dismissing our claims as dramatic. cops really need to get their ish together
Yeah but you ever been falsely accused of rape as a man? Have you ever tried filing a domestic violence claim against a female, as a man? Men cop it too.
So the body was in good enough condition to see bruises? Sounds like Missing 411 Urban cases. Body was in the water for less time than the person was missing.
The area on the video surveillance is the entrance to the condos and not where the creek is. In fact, the creek is down a hill and behind the condo complex. When she’s running it’s away from her condo. I live near there and the rain you saw wasn’t enough to pull her that far. RIP Kayelyn
Just my 2 cents but in owning a small dog he get gets quite angsty if I get undecisive an I feel her body language to the dog is really saying out of frustration" what do you want" she seems frustrated by the dog being confused because her behavior is erratic.
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I know this is an older case and older video but wanted to add my perspective. I'm not sure what kind of social worker Kayelyn was, but I am a social worker myself and I can tell anyone that the job takes more of a mental and emotional toll on us than many can imagine. There have been times that I have felt deeply anxious, depressed, and even suicidal because of the weight of trying to heal the world's problems. I have experienced death threats from clients and have felt periods of paranoia from that. If I lost my job, I would feel like I had lost my purpose. I think most people get called to social work because they care deeply about the world but that's a heavy burden to bear and a lot of times it's a very thankless job. I can imagine this beautiful young soul being torn down and hopeless from the work. It could easily have affected her mental state and contributed to this strange situation.
I thought i was going crazy with no one questioning that giant mound,that's the thing i find most suspect about these videos it looks like a fake hollow rock to me.
Pretty frustrating to have that thing sitting right there, blocking our view of whatever it is that's got her attention. Idk, seems to me that thing kinda defeats the purpose of having a CCTV there if so much in the frame can be hidden from view 🤔
I think that mound plays a key role. It blocked the view, and I think someone knew that. Be it her roommate... Who went shopping for groceries in waiter style boots... Or someone waiting for her to move behind the mound so he could make a move. Which could explain her reluctance to go too far behind the mound. Another thing I find curious, is that her roommate is seen there pulling in and out of the parking lot.... Perhaps she offered her a ride.... And when that didn't work... Asked her to meet her behind the mound? All of this is speculation. But the more I look into this, the more it seems like a set-up by the roommate.
A man went missing near a river/two Bridges near my house. Police search teams had ATVs, drones and people searching for days. As soon as they ended their search, the man's body was found in the river under one of the bridges (a train bridge with no sides). He had fallen to his death and a friend of ours found him very close to a public trail that had certainly been searched (including by myself) for days (I walk my dogs there every morning). Anyways, it was odd that they didn't find him, but he must have been underwater?
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Kaylen has a memorial video on RUclips. In the comment section there was a very cryptic message that said "Im so sorry about what happened Kaylen. I just want people to know that you didnt take your own life, and you didn't accidentally drown". The family responded and never got a reply. Only ONE person can know that for sure.
she bends and taps her knees.who in their right mind sees that as her talking to herself.beyond that why is the dog clearly not keen to move from yhe spot he/she was placed?maybe the dog wanted to be carried,maybe the dog was scared witless?
I used to take ambien and I had an episode like this during the day, according to my husband. I flushed it all down the toilet and never took it again. You see things that aren't there and hear and believe things that are ridiculous... I think this is very possible. Or something like ambien. I'm lucky my husband was home because I got I'm the bathtub and could have easily had an accident.
CLEAN WITH ME! Same here! I am just now getting off of ambien. It caused me to have hallucinations and do things I don’t remember. I started getting less and less sleep with ambien and was like In a zombie world. So happy I’m off it now.
This case sound very very similar to the cases covered in the David Paulides book, A Sobering Coincidence. Part of the Missing 411 series. Worth a read if you haven't checked it out.
Couple thoughts: One-in the city in Texas where I live, police respond to each and every 911 call, even if the caller hangs up. If they had her cell number/address from the first 911 call, which they did respond to, it seems like they would know/recognize the number and address even if she hung up that second time. Our police would have to go and clear the scene, even if it's a hang up or misdial. It is also a misdemeanor here to misuse the 911 system, like calling and hanging up or calling multiple times. Don't know about Utah laws. Also, though her friend says she was acting weird, the first missing article quoted her mom "I talked to Kaylyn that day that she went missing. She seemed just fine to me," her mother said while calling her disappearance "the biggest nightmare we've ever had in our lives.". So, I'm confused. Additionally, that little run she does back to her house is the way I run trying to get out of rain. I don't think she's scared.
Guys, let's stop assuming that she HAD to have floated the ENTIRE way from where her condo was. She certainly could've def walked 4-5 miles from there, and slipped on some wet grass or mud and drowned bc of some sorta rip tide or something.... I just want us to start thinking from diff angles here, and not insist that it's impossible for her body to have been found where it was bc of either foul play, suicide, an accident, or that it floated the whole way. There are probably a million possible scenarios, so let's not discount the fact that she has legs and was quite capable of walking-at least a part or majority of the way-despite the shitty rainy weather. Even walking bare feet wouldn't have been such a big deal...it could've been 70° out that day, how do we know? Maybe she was walking along it for quite a while, thinking about things or trying to clear her head, and she accidentally slipped and fell? An accidental slip doesn't even HAVE to do with her psychotic break either...
What an odd case, the fact that she left her beloved dog does not jive with me. The roomate situation is pretty bizzare. I have problems with the road her body would have taken, rain or not. My heart goes out to the family, I cannot believe the autopsy, with the resources available today it's sad that they would just assume...
I don't believe her body floated that far, not with all those hang-ups. Maybe someone, could be known to her, saw her walking, offered a ride, then further down the road left the car and that's when she ended up in the river. She may have bolted out of the car when it stopped, like a traffic light. Could've been after an argument or confrontation in the car.
I don't know the real reason her roommate packed up and moved away, it could be for personal or money reasons, but doing it so quickly, it does make you wonder why. My mother had mental issues and if she became angry or upset with my father while driving, the very next time he'd stop - out of the car she'd go, no matter where or the time. It just about drove my father crazy (and sometimes angry.) The struggles he had to get her back in. I wonder if this is what happened to Kayelyn. BTW, you're doing a fantastic job, wish I could help better.
Justelle's Life I think just having the conversation is very helpful. I don't think Kayelyn and her roommate were friends. Maybe she was already planning to move out before Kayelyn went missing? I don't know. It's strange that she didn't help with the search efforts. Even if we weren't friends, if my roommate went missing, I'd help look.
You're right about the conversation. Wasn't it a condo they were buying together? I think the roommate could be more helpful, she may have moved because of a money problem. People think that a body floats right away, but it sinks to the bottom and only floats after it fills up with gasses, it takes awhile to do that, sorry to be so morbid.
That's a valid point. Dead weight is pretty heavy. Kayelyn owned the condo they lived in. I could see the roommate not being able to take on the mortgage.
There's this missing 81 year old man named Robert "Bob" Harrod, his disappearance is dear to my heart. 3 weeks prior he had reunited with his first love after almost 60 years apart. Her name is Fontelle. They married, then she went back to Missouri to pack up. The monday before she returned, July 27, 2009, he disappeared and as now has not been found. He disappeared from his home in Placentia, Calif. There's a back story that entails his wealth and 3 grown daughters, he had made an announcement at a family meeting on Sunday where he was going to add Fontelle's name to some very important documents. There's a mystery writer in Germany who's worked very hard to find out what happened to Bob. Fontelle now lives alone in Bob's house. There are people who want to find him. If you can help too that would be great. Like others before him the more the word gets out, the better the outcome (hopefully.)
While I agree the 911 call makes it seem like she was a bit unhinged, I've got to say the surveillance video just looks like a person talking to their dog to me. People talk to their pets. This is normal. The running away barefoot, not so much. But the talking to the dog part doesn't seem weird to me.
In the 3rd surveillance clip, did no one notice the red car that is in park just out of the frame on the left hand side? Did that person not notice her, did they see anything? Were they maybe waiting for her? No one has mentioned that car
at 9:53, there is the butt end of the red car, at 11:50, the red car is back and is supposedly her roommates car. the first red car tail does look darker and more square than her roommates, but has no one questioned the people in the 1st red car? surely they can make the footage clearer and get the license #, cops have that technology, yes?
I would like to think they do have tech to do that, but I think it varies greatly by department. I've seen some horrible footage be released in very low resolutions that could be brushed up with some relatively simple digital editing tools.
Very sad and bizarre that the cops are willing to call it a suicide and not investigate every last thing that may help find out what happened. Also strange and maybe lazy that they don't make any footage clearer. Thanks for the video, john! You're always the best, love and light to her family
+Emme According to Websleuths they red car that you only sees taillights isn't the roommates. No one seems to know if it was looked into either. Very frustrating if they didn't.
Bleu Meanie I think the investigation is closed now, but I'm actually very surprised that police didn't look into that car. That could be a potentially very big lead. Also, thanks for replying, so you're the famous Bleu Meanie! Thanks for all the research you do.💙
There's no surveillance footage of her departing the complex the last time? The repeated 911 calls are worrisome. Especially the last one. Could her roommate have been gaslighting her? Taking advantage of her emotional state by suggesting reasons for her to be paranoid? After what I heard, I certainly cant say I trust the roommate. I'd like to see more comings and goings of her as well. The footage in the rain doesn't seem that important to the case. She was obviously talking to her dog. I become histrionic in my conversations with my pets too.
I just listened to the third 911 call and I heard laughter from a female right after he asks her name he then asks "can you still hear them?" The laugh almost sounds sinister. It's at approximately 3:35
Based on the her behavior it looks like the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. She's hearing things that aren't there and seeing things that aren't there. Doesn't explain the probable suicide, but it's quite possible that her inability to hold down a job in the Social Work field lead her down the dark path and subsequent downward spiral.
You draw this conclusion based solely on the surveillance video, while it looks to me and several other people like she was just talking to her dog. I don't know why they can't just clean up the video, best they can, and have a Deaf person see if they can read her lips, at least a little.
It sounds as if someone slipped her something repeatedly to tarnish her rep. so no one would believe her. If her body did not show that she was in the water for all that time, then where was she? Someone knows more than they are saying. here in the comments her friends are saying she did not use drugs. Three times i came home and food was rearranged towels missing,,, the cops were looking at me funny... i heard things in the middle of the night... then it started happening to my neighbors, Then and only then did they do some checking and discovered a man living in the woods behind our homes with our food and our stuff...Mental illness is a horrible thing , but sometimes we are too quick to judge. the police need to listen to her friends and family and look into this much more closely. esp. at the witnesses that were present.
Pretty frustrating to have that rock/mound thing sitting right there, blocking our view of whatever it is that's got her attention. I mean, how effective is having a CCTV there if that much of the frame is blocked from view? 🤔
Just listened to 8min+ 911 call..at around 4min you hear male laughing and then male voice speaking( maybe on 911 call center)?...but near the end of call when police arrive/knock the dog starts barking which leads me to believe the dog would've barked at intruders sooo..I'm stumped
Just finished this video, The roommate left town , moved away from the area and didn't help with the investigation. WOW that say a lot in my mind. Hope they find her and talk to her If she didn't do it, she seems to have been involved and knows more.
She also went shopping in wader boots...we're parking lots flooded or did she stop and do some fly fishing...body was probably transferred in that cherry red car..I suspect the room mate!
me cooper1 I believe the roommate has a part in all this! You can clearly hear laughter in the background of the 911 call. Why was she in the video with boots on? Also saying loudly that the door is locked. I bet she unlocked it ams then locked it again.
Sad. I spent a lot of time with with my Aunt almost every weekend growing up. She had "voices" in her head that progressed rather rapidly. Around 12, my last weekend ended as my cousins and I watched her eat a grocery bag of meds trying to "make them stop screaming" I've never forgotten that day. She's still alive, unfortunately not a whole lot better but that was only after several shock treatments to her brain. She doesn't even remember them but my cousins and I will never forget how terrified she was of what they were asking her to do. Mental illness is a scary thing I believe we still don't know enough about. I just hope she died as peaceful as possible. It's hard to deal with physical pain but when your head has the problem, there is no escape.
Truey Lewis "when your head is the problem there is no escape"
This is so, so true. I often struggle to try to explain to people my rationale when I say that sometimes I wish I had lost my legs or something of that sort rather than have chronic depression, general anxiety and PTSD. Neurotypical people cant always wrap their minds around the idea that your mind is trying to torture and kill you. What you said is right on point. There simply is no escape.
I am also so sorry that you had to watch your aunt through all of that. It must have been very disturbing for you and your cousins. I wish you all the best and I hope your aunt can find some peace.
Truey Lewis Maybe her room mate was gaslighting her. Making her worse doe some reason. There was clearly laughter in the backlog that 911.call. I think she unlocked the door and then locked it. I think someone was playing games with her.
I agree, it definately looks like she is just talking to her dog in the surveillance footage
snakey973 Yea people put way too much emphasis on the dog talking. I talk to my animals all the time.Guess I’m just having a constant breakdown 🙄 Honestly there was something going on with the 911 calls BUT the dog talking is nothing IMO
I am left to wonder if she possibly was having a break in reality. I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder- and paranoia and delusions happen. When I listen to her call it reminds me of some of my episodes before I was medicated. Additionally, a boyfriend I had several years ago was diagnosed as Bipolar- he had an episode where I found him walking down the street in only his boxers in the middle of winter calling my name - again before he was diagnosed and medicated. Mental health is a huge problem because so many people go undiagnosed.
Fellow person with BPD here! I would absolutely agree with your statement; When having an episode, delusions and hallucinations can seem so real and also be so entirely confusing.
Especially if you're unaware that you're dealing with an illness, and you (or others around you) aren't able to comprehend or identify what you're dealing with.
I also saw someone else in the comments mention that it could possibly also be Schizophrenia, as Kayelyn was around the age that the onset of symptoms would start.
It's just something to think about. Irregardless, this is an unfortunate, heart-wrenching event, and I just hope that whatever the case (whether mental illness, drug use, or foul play), that there may be peace and resolution eventually.
***** I'd also agree with you - Unfortunately, law enforcement and investigators aren't so apt when it comes to actually piecing together theories and considering other possibilities (I do see a lot of these cases getting chocked up to being the result of bad drug trips, mental illness, etc).
I also strongly dislike how easily evidence and cases are disregarded and explained away as being the result of mental illness due to the fact that a person may have dealt with mental illness (such as Kayelyn - where we only have a bit of evidence suggesting she dealt with some minor depression), and it usually being something more, "minor" like anxiety.
TLDR; Law enforcement can be totally biased, ignorant, and flawed more than I'd even like to admit.
Thanks Erica for the insight. It must have been a very surreal experience before you were medicated. I have a couple questions if u don't mind me asking, just so I can get more of an idea of what you experienced, so myself and other can get a glimpse into how a person would feel and act during a "psychotic episode" before being diagnosed and medicated...
What kind of delusions did u experience? Auditory AND hallucinatory? What did you see/hear that others said wasn't "real"?
Can you give an example of the paranoia you
Before you were diagnosed, did u experience any depression and/or a very stressful situation occur beforehand?
Did u ever wander off anywhere or do anything out of character that u norm wouldn't do before your diagnosis?
Anything else you think would be beneficial for us to know, can you please share? I think it would help us all when we are reviewing these cases to give us better insight and more of an in-depth understanding of certain patterns of behavior.
+Allison Keirsey yeah I don't mind at all. For me it was a state of disassociation. I often would have episodes of feeling like I wasn't in my body and everything was a dream but for days on end. I would have auditory and even visual. I thought someone was watching me once, I thought people were coming to my house, I thought I heard my name when I would be home alone etc
+Erica Bradshaw you just described almost everything that she seemed to be experiencing too...I agree with you, I think it was a psychotic break from all the stress from her brother going to prison, losing her job, and who knows what else she was going thru. I know when I turned 30 I think I went thru a depression of sorts.
It's like you have this idea/expectation when ur young about what life will be like when you're 30, and when i got there, essentially NOTHING I assumed would be accomplished by then happened for me (I wasn't married, I didn't have any kids, I was lost in what kinda career I wanted, etc.), and I bet you just THAT alone could of had an affect on her, ya know?!
I'm not a mental health expert, but I have seen people suffering from mental health issues... Unfortunately, she does seem to be exhibiting some tell tale signs of this as well.
One side note John... I was wondering if you - or perhaps Bleu Meanie - have come across the sad, tragic story of the two Dutch girls, Froon and Kremers? They were studying in Panama (2014?), went for a day hike across the continental divide Panamanian jungles, and were never seen again. That in itself is a sad, but not uncommon scenario for inexperienced hikers... What makes this really spooky though, is that these two young women were possibly alive for another TEN days, in the jungle, snapping pictures and attempting to dial 911 and 112(?) seeking help. The photos are quite eerie - 87 of the 90 photos taken by the girls, were dark and showed almost nothing... Using as a light source? Perhaps delirious after 6-8 days already wandering the jungle? Two photos, if I remember correctly, were of the back of the head of the Kremer girl. Anyway John, you're the best at this, so I thought you might want to look into this yourself, and hopefully, come up with some more info - and of course, your take on this mystery... Keep up the awesome work!
Obviously as an outside party I can only speculate.
Thoughts:
-They need to do a more thorough autopsy if the autopsy was as bad as they said.
-was the roomate even questioned?
-The roomate sounded a bit annoyed at her in the 911 call. Maybe she had done this plenty of times before.
-The father said she had a little bit of depression. Maybe they were like my friends family who doesn't *believe* there is such thing as depression.
-Could she have walked that far?
-Was she thinking she was being chased?
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Dorabella Pharah ditto to this!!!!
What I don't understand is why didn't the 911 dispatcher ask to speak to the roommate during the call? We could hear her in the background replying to Kayelyn but no one asked her what was going on...it just seems odd to me.
Exactly I was thinking the same thing
The dispatcher seemed inexperienced and nervous to me, but I’m no expert.
I’ve never seen a 911 call handed off.
Someone should put a replica dummy into the creek and see if it gets carried to the river where they found her
GREAT idea!
I would think that the coroner would be able to tell from damage to the body whether she had traveled that far down a river as it would strikes rocks, trees etc..
Yeah great idea! And we'll start up the weather machine and just warm or cool the ocean and set up a couple mile wide fans to replicate the exact weather and water conditions.
Unfortunately, if they didn't think to do that at the time, or at least have the info or access to the info to do it on a day with very similar weather and water height/conditions, they likely won't because too many variables.
The bigger problem is that the police seem to have made their mind up on what happened here, and thus they feel it unnecessary and a waste to do such testing 👎👎👎
Eek, that came off as much more aggressive than I meant it to be, lol. I mean, I agree w/ you, I was just saying. I've followed the case for 2.5yrs, if you could call it 'following'. Nothing has changed 😥
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
It's strange how these people always seem to end up in water.
yes, very strange indeed. and very often it seems with similar conditions. no abrasions, lacerations, etc. and the cause of death can never be determined.
Just another case that boils down to 2 theories. Mental illness episode results in accidental death vs. Stealthy, well-executed murder.
+Joseph ZR1 mental breakdowns are on a rise but why? One minute business as usual and then...
Its as if the Earth is 70% water... odd huh?
Gerardo FW life is getting harder to live for the average person. job market is a lot more competitive, violence is rampant, it's a tough time to be alive.
I really look forward to these cases- always compelling and better than anything on t.v. You do an excellent job shedding light on the mysteries
Thanks so much snakey973!
Hi John - i am a newbie to watching your videos mate, after 11 years living on mainland china is nice to be able access youtube again ! Actually found your vid's after researching a little on the 'Lars Mittag' case, i do think they great - expecting a really biased [AMerican style] conspiracy but , thankfully, seems you always do really fair, open & balanced as best as you can do, reports which is so refreshing - esp. After seeing so much other crap on here past few weeks so i now a subscriber :-D THANKS & KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Thank you Dan, and welcome to the channel. :-)
11 yr. yikes!
Another amazing coverage. I was out of my internet connection range last few days and boy was I happy to see a Searchlight and full BrainScratch up on youtube. Have a great weekend.
Thanks Branko!
Love these videos man! Don stop making them
Thanks Carlos!
How did I miss this Brain Scratch. Thought I'd seen them all. Love your channel keep up the work
What if the roommate had something to do with this? She could have pretended that nothing happened, making Lauder look crazy
That crossed my mind too!
I agree. I believe the roommate knows more. This educated woman never had problems or showed signs of mental illness until this happened to her. That's crazy. Whomever did this wanted the public and her family to believe this lady was loosing her mind and suicidal. Wrong. I looked beyond this bullshit. This lady is clearly running from something or someone on this video. She loved her dog, no way she would've left her best friend. Family is right to be suspicious. Better checkout roommate story real close.
Listen to the full 911 call you can hear ppl in the background laughing. She WAS being gaslighted
Did the roommate also have to do the the other 911 call with the imaginary gunfire?
@@lynnettemccauley277 Obviously she's running from or to something. That's not what's in question. Do you even know the details? There's no one in the footage at all. She was seeing ghosts earlier in the day and most likely was again and she was running from nothing. Paranoid delusions. She sounded manic to me. When your mind is all fucked up the last thing you care about or think about is your damn dog lol of course she would leave the dog. You're thinking emotionally and not logically. Maybe she was on a bad mix of pills who knows. Just a bad accident, no one murdered her lol
that footage looked like a drop. were the clips sequential? the white SUV keeps coming and then disappearing..
John you always present a very organized, detail oriented Brainscratch. It sounds like there were some.mental health issues, paranoia with possible psychosis.
ruclips.net/video/2MEbqPnyUVw/видео.html Eerie foreshadowing of things to come. Note Mom's minimizing reference to Colton's having a bit of depression, as was later hinted at re Kayelyn. He, too, would end up delusional, albeit as a result of meth abuse. Then there's the twin aspect, which troubles me. And finally, Kayelyn's own words re her bro & suicidal ideation. For what it's worth, deceased uncle was on meth as well. Dysfunctional family dynamic a contributing factor? Parents in denial re seriousness of twins' mental illness/mood disorder? This is all speculative, I'm not making any accusations, there just seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes that may have been of importance in both instances.
Somethings not right with that roomie either, Im so mad at these cops for not investigating better!! If the death is even a lil suspicous, they should investigate as foul play until proven otherwise. I doubt she'd just up an leave her dog, something was going on! I wonder why her dog didnt follow her as well? The not knowing is awful! Pray for her and the family!
woo hoo! ive been waiting for a recent brain scratch, seeming that I was on a brain scratch bender durring a recent illness and have literally watched EVERY episode. I just want to say you rock!! the way you cover these stories are in depth, done not only intelligently, but compassionately, with respect for the parties involved in the cases you cover. whats most impressive is you make it look so easy!
I hope your channel never goes away. thanks and keep up the good work !
I really appreciate that. Comments like this help me keep going. :-)
I don't believe her body made that journey..either she walked and fell in further out or she was dumped there ..
If she had been taking any kind of medication it would have showed up on the autopsy. Room mate did it. God only knows why
Thanks for posting this. You actually found a story that I have no knowledge of, now I am intrigued!!! I do not know what to think, even if she was "losing" it that night of the 911 calls it still doesn't explain how she got so far. I read a post that said a girl seen a women being forced in a red car. Is that why the red car was shown on the surveillance tapes? What about the roommate, what do we know about their situation? Something isn't right here with this case.
I think her roommate has a lot more info than she's sharing. Until she stopped helping altogether and moved...sketchy.
Does anyone know who is " cackling ?" Happens after he asks can u still hear them? I really feel the roommate knows more than she's telling.. It can't b her as it happens same time she's answering the 911 op?
I heard the same thing!!!
Even during the 911 call, the room mate wasnt really helping honestly wtf was that?
That creek can get pretty swift when it rains. I've fallen in that exact creek upstream from her condo and had to be helped out. I almost ended up in the Jordan river myself.
The slow jog is what I do when my dog won't come when I call. The slow jog incites the dog to chase
same, I make sure he can hear my feet and then he starts to come.
Ah, really good catch!
SO TRUE
These videos seem to be out of sequence. Do you know what order they go? Part 1, Part 3, and Part 6 has the silver missing. Part 2, Part 4, and Part 5, it's there
+Courtrhebekah I believe they go, part 5, 4, 3, 1, 2, 6. Since we know the roommate left before Kayelyn disappeared, and part 2 was the last time she was seen.
We need more details from the roommate... Perhaps the roommate knows a lot more than anyone in this. Perhaps people were in her apartment and she locked herself in her room and her roommate knowing this told the police she was crazy when they arrived. Perhaps there was fighting and a gunshot but they instead said it was just the wedding that was going on. Perhaps her roommate was doing innaproporate things and she was trying to reach out (calling again but then hanging up) and her roommate got sick of it and had her taken out... The roommate should be key here
Beautyandessex I just listened to the third 911 call and I heard laughter from a female right after he asks her name he then asks "can you still hear them?" The laugh almost sounds sinister. It's at approximately 3:35
We've had 6 deaths of young teen girls here and they were all found in the water and all ruled suicide. So frustrating. It seems like closing a case as suicide is less work than admitting there may be a murderer. Every case of a missing person should be treated as a potential homicide until it can be ruled out, rather than treated as a runaway u less they can rule something else in.
Very well said. It's very frustrating.
does anyone know where to find the audio or transcripts of the first two 911 calls?
also, just wanted to say i'm a longtime watcher who doesn't ever comment or subscribe to things, but LordanARTS, you have officially now been subscribed. i really appreciate the very objective and non-exploitative approach to cases and the kindness with which you treat the people you are discussing. please keep it up!
Another extensive and informative video... Going through the links right now. Thanks John!
I wanted to say, I live in Utah, in 2014, we had EXTREME rain conditions. We had a severe flood my town near the same time she disappeared. Im surprised we didn't have anyone in my area swept away by the water... So her falling in seems like a possibility.
Just discovered your page and I love it! You’re so sincere with the families, I love that you put their loved ones in NAMEUS. Also, I love Crime after Crime!
Thank you so much Tianna. Take care
I always look forward to your videos
She may have not been on any illegal substances but I've seen (and experienced myself) people do some INSANE stuff on no sleep and antihistamines, xanax, lorazepam, weight loss pills etc. Especially if you mix a few of them together.
PODCASTHUNTERS with Mina & Mirela - That’s an important question, WHAT was found IF anything in her system. I think it’s odd that her autopsy in this day and age could reveal so little. Was that a NORMAL state of decomposition if left 2 months in the river; when they went looking for her, they did not ever check there, nor was there any inspection of that tunnel before that body was found??
I'm heading up that way later today, I can stop by a snap a few pictures of the creek area.
PLEASE! That would be so great, to give us a better idea of what she was looking at/imagining. Thank you!
That will be cool bc I want to see behind that big Rock formation(it's a Creek I know just want to see the layout)
Will do, it may be a couple days before I can post them since I'll be out of town. Just let me know where to post them and I will.
Over here if he allows us to do that or bhd200387@hotmail.com
did you end up going and getting pics?!
great job with these videos, you bring to light these cases of people that would have otherwise been forgotten
Wait for similar weather conditions and put a dummy in the water to see if it floats that far
I just wanna know why we have to assume that she floated the ENTIRE way??? She could have def walked 4-5 miles, came upon an area of it she wasn't entirely familiar with, slipped on some wet mud or grass and fell in, right? And if the water levels were high enough, I'm sure that a white water/rip tide type of thing could've pulled her under and she drowned around where she was found or just upstream from there?
Of course its possibly she walked the area and slipped, I would just like to see the test done to rule that theory out if possible. One less thing to ponder on
With her leaving her beloved dog behind, her depression over her brother and her job situation, her apparent mental break with reality...I think this lovely young woman ended her life. Something else I wondered, with it being Utah, was if she was Mormon. This isn't meant as a slam, but Utah has a very high rate of anti-depressant use, as well as one of the highest rates of suicide among young men. Mormonism demands a very high level of personal performance, perfection, almost, and it can be very depressing for some who feel they aren't meeting the standard. I've also read that there tends to be a lot of judgment between themselves, so with what happened with her brother, and now struggles in her own life, Kayelyn could have felt a ton of pressure if she was LDS. Idk, either way, just could have been another straw. I hope she has peace wherever she is now.
John, I have watched this three times and really to me, it has all the trappings of what David Paulides' main issues cite as similar factors to his researched disappearances. The lady was found in a body of water near her home with no evidence of scrapes or scratches on her body indicative of falling into and or/flailing around in bushes and rocks in a river. Also she disappeared but was not found in that area she was eventually found dead. This is common about the Paulides disappearances, where they search the area that bodies are found long after the area has been initially, repeatedly searched. Also, like you mentioned, the Elisa Lam case, where there is some 'incoherent behavior' happening, this lady has that too, in her strange looking surveillance video actions and also the strange phone call where she apparently 'hears people taking things' out of her condo, which was unsubstantiated by the roommate, but, how do we know the roommate is telling the real story too? Sounds very fishy to me, very. Anyway just my two cents as a novice 'brainscratcher' following you. Oh, one more thing, I lived in Northern Utah, Logan to be exact, which is about 1.5 hours northwest of Murray. I witnessed torrential rains there often. This area near the Wasatch mountain range is notorious for winter (and sometimes summer/spring) intense periods of heavy rain. Even though the video may not reflect that, it is possible the rains were worse before or after the videos were shot. The rains can be intermittent, but seriously heavy and very dangerous to be near bodies of water during these times. I have seen the Logan river so high that water spills out across the highway that runs through there on the way to Idaho, so I am sure the Jordan river does the same. Just a thought about that.
Zoe Marlowe I havr watched this video many times too and also noticed a lot of similarities with the Paulides disappearances. What I noticed was the confusion, the water and not to mention the huge boulder. Paulides mentions that somehow boulders are involved? The fact that she may have been placed in the water, the fact that she was found 5 miles from where she was last seen. It's strange, yet so sad for Kayelyn.
Zoe Marlowe
Wow, I was searching for a comment about the possible water level. (Already wanted to ask if anybody knows something about it).
Cause as we all know a small creek can turn into a big river after weeks/months of heavy raining.
Being from Europe I don't know very much about the Paulides' cases. Just have heard about his most famous "Missing 411" reports and books. Cases which happened in national parks but more in desert like, dry regions.
Didn't know there're lots of cases of unharmed corpses floating in the water too. (I mean besides the theory of the smiley face killings of course).
Agreed.
Yea man. It’s a strange one. What do you guys think about the missing 411 cases? Underground bases, Sasquatch or inter dimensional beings...maybe breakaway technology?
sally smith I have to get the book. I’ve heard the author on higher side chats, I think, and coast to coast. Craziness for sure. I totally can see that type of technology being very real. Dunno if you’re into alien abduction stories but this book THE MOJAVE INCIDENT is a strange one too. Supposed true story of a terror inducing weekend in the Mojave desert of a youngish couple and what appears to be non human entities. I kept thinking of CHAMELEO and what i knew about the book while reading the Mojave incident. Definitely worth reading. Thanks Sally.
Very weird. Maybe she walked or drove there because of her depression. I know when I was at my most depressed I would just kind of walk or drive around aimlessly trying to find new places. Maybe she ran into trouble while walking around alone and not being able to protect herself. Also she could have been dumped there if it was in fact a homicide.
The last two surveillance videos were of her roommate, there's gotta be a reason why the cops included those, right? Her roommate seems to be acting fishy throughout this whole ordeal (before and after her death). If it were a homicide, she would be my first person of interest. But it's possible it was a suicide or accidental death. Another case where more questioning should have been done by the police but wasn't. What the hell is going on with the police these days? I know there are good, respectable cops out there, but these days there seems to be less and less of them. :(
One guess, red tape and budget, plus things like office politics.
Maybe i just missed you saying it, but why is the order of the surveillance videos so odd? Are they chronologically correct?
Thanks John for another great episode totally addicted
Wow I must be crazy because I talk to my animals constantly lol! I also ask them questions and assume they're answering and will respond lmao!
Just my observations but I tend to believe that this woman could have been gaslit. You can clearly hear the laughter on that 911 call. I believe someone was there and the roomate was in on it. Sad. No mental illness was in her history or did it run in her family. Sucks. She was so beautiful with a good future in front of her. This case smacks the Elisa Lamm case.
I agree. So so strange. Everything about this is just completely bizarre.
When logic fails, you must consider the impossible..
A couple of things that I'm wondering about. 1. It seems that looking at the surveillance video, she always seems to go down to the creek behind her apartments taking the same route. If she had fallen into the creek there, you would think there would be video of her going down to the creek and not returning. 2. I was wondering if the police did any checking of surveillance video from surrounding shops, gas stations etc... any place that might have shown her walking to the place she was finally discovered?
I've shared with my Facebook friends!!! Hopefully they will love these videos as much as I do and we can push those subscriber numbers through the roof :)
Her losing her job at a private school has me wondering...what really happen that she lost her job?
Do you know that some very small towns way out. More than 100 miles away from a decent coroner have a Veterinarian do the autopsies. Or other non medical personall. Just thought I'd mention that. I know she was in a larger city.
Charlene Howard Why mention that if it has nothing to do with this case? Weird thing to say.
Good video, very respectfully done. I think the police need to re-question the roommate. R.I.P Kayelyn
I'm sure the roommate Carole has provided some insight about her. They lived together and shared the same personal space. So why no info on what the roommate said to detectives?
I’m fairly new here and have pretty much been binge watching.
You do an excellent job. You’re so thorough and caring.
In a town not too far from me a five year old was abducted a month ago.
Her name is Dulce Maria Alvarez from Bridgeton, NJ.
If possible, please do a show on her. Thank you.
roomate could of been setting her up...making noises...etc. did either owe money to each other...or have disagreement over friends...boyfriend...? also the fact that there is no interview forth coming...from roomate...she could of slipped her a "mickey"....who is the roomate...how long friends...here we go...last person to see her...makes you wonder..roomate could of taken most of posessions....also the way she took off..not helpful at all...
This case always dwells on my mind, this girl seemed truly lovely. Mental illness is a horrible thing, it's always hard to hear about other people who are suffering at it's hands
I am astounded that they didn't wash the body! It's one of the basic preparatory steps of an autopsy. So sad :(
excellent channel mate. Incredible research and groundwork!
Such a sad case but thank you John for another very well researched episode! Hope your doing ok??! :)
Hey GeekenDorx! Had a long vacation, I get lost a couple of weeks every time visiting Greece. You still doing a great job, was looking forward to your videos! Did this girl have any run-ins with the police before this happened? Drug problems? Any of her friends said anything about this prior to her disappearance? Or does her brother have a debt of some kind? Some of it sounds like withdrawal symptoms, and that may lead to an abnormal condition. But then again, over 2 months in a creek? In a city on high alert?
Unless I've not run across it yet, as I am rather new to the channel, I'd love to hear your take on Johnny Gosch. He was the first person to be put on a milk carton I guess. I was driving a couple weekends home after a concert and caught Coast to Coast AM and they were speaking with the mother. There's a documentary called "Who took Johnny" that breaks down the case but, near the very end, the mother contradicts herself to me and it's driven me crazy!! Look forward to seeing something from you about this.
I live in So Salt Lake and 1. the weather here is extremely unpredictable 2. I don't think her body could have possibly gone that far, there are too many dams, sewer pipes for her body to travel that far. 3. This seems to me to be an abduction and dump murder, not an accident.
Good video, John. Definitely a brainscratch of a case. I did briefly analyze the location on Google Earth. It appears the particular path in the video leads from the condo to the parking lot/garage. Her walking (with) the dog towards the camera indicates she is taking the dog out, rather than back in (and that her roommate is shown leaving in the respective footage in which she is shown walking). I also noticed that just adjacent to the corner of the parking structure where the camera is attached (out of view in the footage) is what looks like a walkway into an area where she possibly took her dog. This may be the basis for the disconcertion of her jogging away from the condo (assuming this is represented correctly by some media sources as the last footage of her, which I'm wondering about given no timestamp and it not being the first or last video in the listed sequence provided): where was she going without belongings?
Also, this footage is shot opposite the side of the condo from where one would access the creek. Therefore the video gives no indication that she was or was not intending on visiting the creek area. Her being out of her right mind seems a reasonable hypothesis, considering the calls she made. I'm not confident that time and varying water levels do not suffice to explain how her body eventually reached the location where it was recovered.
At surveillance video 2 a silver coloured car appears. But only for a short time. Then it disappears again.
This case definitely comes off as one of those David Paulides cases. Victim is found in water, no cause of death found, and victim found in an area that was previously searched. And to top it all off, the victim appears to have had some kind of psychotic episode or was otherwise on drugs/medication prior to her death. Man this is a tough one...
thanks again John.
that hill behind it is the condos not a creek!! I live in Murray, Utah and my friend use to live in those same condos.. And it's very possible she Walked down to the front of her condos and that's where the creek is, and that area when it rains a lot it runs pretty fast but i just know that mostly small kids have only fell into it though.
Roommate needs to be found and really questioned. she would know about her behavior more than anyone.
Could she have been allergic to bees ? I might jump in the water to avoid a hospital stay. Leaving the dog seems the oddest to me.
Some cops don't have respect for women and don't take us serious but mostly that's older men. Lovely looking young lady. Very sad.
yes, I try to wonder how the people the cops kills feel when interacting with cops, and I can't. Either the cops are hitting on us or dismissing our claims as dramatic. cops really need to get their ish together
Yeah but you ever been falsely accused of rape as a man? Have you ever tried filing a domestic violence claim against a female, as a man? Men cop it too.
Ever been profiled in the street because you're a man in a hoody and thus are assumed dangerous? etc. etc. etc.
Lori Miller it was raining, running away frm bees?!
most of the time it's a huge ordeal for a woman to report rape or domestic violence
2:34 Heyyy Kayelyn liked Blind Melon! I LOVE Blind Melon
Ehh Embb I also love Blind Melon ;)
So the body was in good enough condition to see bruises? Sounds like Missing 411 Urban cases. Body was in the water for less time than the person was missing.
The area on the video surveillance is the entrance to the condos and not where the creek is. In fact, the creek is down a hill and behind the condo complex. When she’s running it’s away from her condo.
I live near there and the rain you saw wasn’t enough to pull her that far.
RIP Kayelyn
Just my 2 cents but in owning a small dog he get gets quite angsty if I get undecisive an I feel her body language to the dog is really saying out of frustration" what do you want" she seems frustrated by the dog being confused because her behavior is erratic.
Been on a John "Bender" all day and watching nothing but Brainscratch all day since 4am and pray this channel finds its first missing person on helps close it's first case soon!! I have a few other similar channels of a few amazing ladies, but YOU have been the first channel I subbed to years ago and I am a loyal GeeknDork4life!!! :)
I know this is an older case and older video but wanted to add my perspective. I'm not sure what kind of social worker Kayelyn was, but I am a social worker myself and I can tell anyone that the job takes more of a mental and emotional toll on us than many can imagine. There have been times that I have felt deeply anxious, depressed, and even suicidal because of the weight of trying to heal the world's problems. I have experienced death threats from clients and have felt periods of paranoia from that. If I lost my job, I would feel like I had lost my purpose. I think most people get called to social work because they care deeply about the world but that's a heavy burden to bear and a lot of times it's a very thankless job. I can imagine this beautiful young soul being torn down and hopeless from the work. It could easily have affected her mental state and contributed to this strange situation.
this might sound like a dumb question but what is the large rock like structure in centre of the videos a condo?.....and what happened to her dog?
Her dog is with family.
The mound is a big pile of dirt covered in concrete. I think they meant it to be part of the landscaping.
I thought i was going crazy with no one questioning that giant mound,that's the thing i find most suspect about these videos it looks like a fake hollow rock to me.
That mound is strange, It's been there for many years. I owned a condo there for nearly 20 years, sold it last year.
Pretty frustrating to have that thing sitting right there, blocking our view of whatever it is that's got her attention. Idk, seems to me that thing kinda defeats the purpose of having a CCTV there if so much in the frame can be hidden from view 🤔
I think that mound plays a key role. It blocked the view, and I think someone knew that. Be it her roommate... Who went shopping for groceries in waiter style boots...
Or someone waiting for her to move behind the mound so he could make a move. Which could explain her reluctance to go too far behind the mound.
Another thing I find curious, is that her roommate is seen there pulling in and out of the parking lot.... Perhaps she offered her a ride.... And when that didn't work... Asked her to meet her behind the mound?
All of this is speculation. But the more I look into this, the more it seems like a set-up by the roommate.
A man went missing near a river/two Bridges near my house. Police search teams had ATVs, drones and people searching for days. As soon as they ended their search, the man's body was found in the river under one of the bridges (a train bridge with no sides). He had fallen to his death and a friend of ours found him very close to a public trail that had certainly been searched (including by myself) for days (I walk my dogs there every morning). Anyways, it was odd that they didn't find him, but he must have been underwater?
Hey been subscribed for a couple of months now and think the work you do is so inspiring.....I know this is a long shot but I was watching a few of these old videos and in one of these videos year 16 you advised a film but can't seem to find the video and didn't note your recommendation down. It is something like walking stranger's, stranger's at night, night something along them lines, I believe you advised it had Keanu Reeves and its on Netflix. Don't suppose you remember??🤔🙃 I have looked on Netflix but can't find it obviously I'm getting name wrong and it's bugging me. Long shot but thought I'd ask.... hope you don't mind ☺️
Kaylen has a memorial video on RUclips. In the comment section there was a very cryptic message that said "Im so sorry about what happened Kaylen. I just want people to know that you didnt take your own life, and you didn't accidentally drown". The family responded and never got a reply. Only ONE person can know that for sure.
she bends and taps her knees.who in their right mind sees that as her talking to herself.beyond that why is the dog clearly not keen to move from yhe spot he/she was placed?maybe the dog wanted to be carried,maybe the dog was scared witless?
I used to take ambien and I had an episode like this during the day, according to my husband. I flushed it all down the toilet and never took it again. You see things that aren't there and hear and believe things that are ridiculous... I think this is very possible. Or something like ambien. I'm lucky my husband was home because I got I'm the bathtub and could have easily had an accident.
CLEAN WITH ME! Same here! I am just now getting off of ambien. It caused me to have hallucinations and do things I don’t remember. I started getting less and less sleep with ambien and was like In a zombie world. So happy I’m off it now.
This case sound very very similar to the cases covered in the David Paulides book, A Sobering Coincidence. Part of the Missing 411 series. Worth a read if you haven't checked it out.
Couple thoughts: One-in the city in Texas where I live, police respond to each and every 911 call, even if the caller hangs up. If they had her cell number/address from the first 911 call, which they did respond to, it seems like they would know/recognize the number and address even if she hung up that second time. Our police would have to go and clear the scene, even if it's a hang up or misdial. It is also a misdemeanor here to misuse the 911 system, like calling and hanging up or calling multiple times. Don't know about Utah laws.
Also, though her friend says she was acting weird, the first missing article quoted her mom "I talked to Kaylyn that day that she went missing. She seemed just fine to me," her mother said while calling her disappearance "the biggest nightmare we've ever had in our lives.". So, I'm confused.
Additionally, that little run she does back to her house is the way I run trying to get out of rain. I don't think she's scared.
Very thorough, well done.
Guys, let's stop assuming that she HAD to have floated the ENTIRE way from where her condo was. She certainly could've def walked 4-5 miles from there, and slipped on some wet grass or mud and drowned bc of some sorta rip tide or something....
I just want us to start thinking from diff angles here, and not insist that it's impossible for her body to have been found where it was bc of either foul play, suicide, an accident, or that it floated the whole way. There are probably a million possible scenarios, so let's not discount the fact that she has legs and was quite capable of walking-at least a part or majority of the way-despite the shitty rainy weather.
Even walking bare feet wouldn't have been such a big deal...it could've been 70° out that day, how do we know? Maybe she was walking along it for quite a while, thinking about things or trying to clear her head, and she accidentally slipped and fell? An accidental slip doesn't even HAVE to do with her psychotic break either...
What an odd case, the fact that she left her beloved dog does not jive with me. The roomate situation is pretty bizzare. I have problems with the road her body would have taken, rain or not. My heart goes out to the family, I cannot believe the autopsy, with the resources available today it's sad that they would just assume...
@geekenbox you should look into the Manchester canal deaths. Seriously creepy! Thomas Sheridan has a small video on this
I don't believe her body floated that far, not with all those hang-ups. Maybe someone, could be known to her, saw her walking, offered a ride, then further down the road left the car and that's when she ended up in the river. She may have bolted out of the car when it stopped, like a traffic light. Could've been after an argument or confrontation in the car.
I don't know the real reason her roommate packed up and moved away, it could be for personal or money reasons, but doing it so quickly, it does make you wonder why. My mother had mental issues and if she became angry or upset with my father while driving, the very next time he'd stop - out of the car she'd go, no matter where or the time. It just about drove my father crazy (and sometimes angry.) The struggles he had to get her back in. I wonder if this is what happened to Kayelyn. BTW, you're doing a fantastic job, wish I could help better.
Justelle's Life I think just having the conversation is very helpful. I don't think Kayelyn and her roommate were friends. Maybe she was already planning to move out before Kayelyn went missing? I don't know. It's strange that she didn't help with the search efforts. Even if we weren't friends, if my roommate went missing, I'd help look.
You're right about the conversation. Wasn't it a condo they were buying together? I think the roommate could be more helpful, she may have moved because of a money problem. People think that a body floats right away, but it sinks to the bottom and only floats after it fills up with gasses, it takes awhile to do that, sorry to be so morbid.
That's a valid point. Dead weight is pretty heavy. Kayelyn owned the condo they lived in. I could see the roommate not being able to take on the mortgage.
There's this missing 81 year old man named Robert "Bob" Harrod, his disappearance is dear to my heart. 3 weeks prior he had reunited with his first love after almost 60 years apart. Her name is Fontelle. They married, then she went back to Missouri to pack up. The monday before she returned, July 27, 2009, he disappeared and as now has not been found. He disappeared from his home in Placentia, Calif. There's a back story that entails his wealth and 3 grown daughters, he had made an announcement at a family meeting on Sunday where he was going to add Fontelle's name to some very important documents. There's a mystery writer in Germany who's worked very hard to find out what happened to Bob. Fontelle now lives alone in Bob's house. There are people who want to find him. If you can help too that would be great. Like others before him the more the word gets out, the better the outcome (hopefully.)
While I agree the 911 call makes it seem like she was a bit unhinged, I've got to say the surveillance video just looks like a person talking to their dog to me. People talk to their pets. This is normal. The running away barefoot, not so much. But the talking to the dog part doesn't seem weird to me.
In the 3rd surveillance clip, did no one notice the red car that is in park just out of the frame on the left hand side? Did that person not notice her, did they see anything? Were they maybe waiting for her? No one has mentioned that car
at 9:53, there is the butt end of the red car, at 11:50, the red car is back and is supposedly her roommates car. the first red car tail does look darker and more square than her roommates, but has no one questioned the people in the 1st red car? surely they can make the footage clearer and get the license #, cops have that technology, yes?
I would like to think they do have tech to do that, but I think it varies greatly by department. I've seen some horrible footage be released in very low resolutions that could be brushed up with some relatively simple digital editing tools.
Very sad and bizarre that the cops are willing to call it a suicide and not investigate every last thing that may help find out what happened. Also strange and maybe lazy that they don't make any footage clearer. Thanks for the video, john! You're always the best, love and light to her family
+Emme According to Websleuths they red car that you only sees taillights isn't the roommates. No one seems to know if it was looked into either. Very frustrating if they didn't.
Bleu Meanie I think the investigation is closed now, but I'm actually very surprised that police didn't look into that car. That could be a potentially very big lead. Also, thanks for replying, so you're the famous Bleu Meanie! Thanks for all the research you do.💙
I feel like it was some kind of psychotic break. Rip🙏💖
Glad you did this one bud...it's a strange one
There's no surveillance footage of her departing the complex the last time? The repeated 911 calls are worrisome. Especially the last one. Could her roommate have been gaslighting her? Taking advantage of her emotional state by suggesting reasons for her to be paranoid? After what I heard, I certainly cant say I trust the roommate. I'd like to see more comings and goings of her as well. The footage in the rain doesn't seem that important to the case. She was obviously talking to her dog. I become histrionic in my conversations with my pets too.
You could actually hear someone laughing in the background during one of those 911 calls.
I was going to ask for you to do this case. I see you already have.
chris, you are right about the mound, if it was not there you would be able to see more. very badly placed if a decoration of some kind
I just listened to the third 911 call and I heard laughter from a female right after he asks her name he then asks "can you still hear them?" The laugh almost sounds sinister. It's at approximately 3:35
3:35? in which video? You linked this video.
Early again. Still off sick 😞
Thanks for another great video John.
again, get well soon! ;)
Choking While Phucking Thank you, slipped a disc in my back. Off to see my physician now. 😉
+La Dolce Vita that sucks! well, have a good day. hope your appointment goes well!
I feel your pain. I'm in bed with a broke rib today. Get well!
+Christy Stracener feel better to u as well!
Based on the her behavior it looks like the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. She's hearing things that aren't there and seeing things that aren't there. Doesn't explain the probable suicide, but it's quite possible that her inability to hold down a job in the Social Work field lead her down the dark path and subsequent downward spiral.
You draw this conclusion based solely on the surveillance video, while it looks to me and several other people like she was just talking to her dog.
I don't know why they can't just clean up the video, best they can, and have a Deaf person see if they can read her lips, at least a little.
It sounds as if someone slipped her something repeatedly to tarnish her rep. so no one would believe her. If her body did not show that she was in the water for all that time, then where was she? Someone knows more than they are saying. here in the comments her friends are saying she did not use drugs. Three times i came home and food was rearranged towels missing,,, the cops were looking at me funny... i heard things in the middle of the night... then it started happening to my neighbors, Then and only then did they do some checking and discovered a man living in the woods behind our homes with our food and our stuff...Mental illness is a horrible thing , but sometimes we are too quick to judge. the police need to listen to her friends and family and look into this much more closely. esp. at the witnesses that were present.
Pretty frustrating to have that rock/mound thing sitting right there, blocking our view of whatever it is that's got her attention. I mean, how effective is having a CCTV there if that much of the frame is blocked from view? 🤔
Just listened to 8min+ 911 call..at around 4min you hear male laughing and then male voice speaking( maybe on 911 call center)?...but near the end of call when police arrive/knock the dog starts barking which leads me to believe the dog would've barked at intruders sooo..I'm stumped