Interesting that Kalos treated Poison so badly, considering it's the Gen were Fairies were created, so I thought they'd have liked to show how Poison was "buffed". Specially with a Pokémon that does not resist Fairy due to the Dragon type
UPDATE: Yes, I realize now I forgot Snom and Frosmoth in Gen 8, which bumps BOTH Ice and Bug type. That means solely Ground is the answer for Galar. That’s my mistake! So ignore when I’m talking about Bug for that section and the rest of the video remains the same.
Actually, that's also not correct. In Galar alone there's only 4 flying types introduced, the Rookidee family and Cramorant. Which is less than ground's 5 entries.
Very interesting! Although i think the video could be more complete if you also did the rarest overral during the main story, like how after gen 2 you have pokemon of the previous generations to try to cover the lack of new pokemon for the respective type
I would be intrested in the type density based on regional dexes in general although i suspect the results would likely be and obvious water and normal types are common and dragons are rare. Also i predict fire types are the rarest of the 3 starter types in every single region.
It's amazing how Gen 2 didn't wanna let you get their new Pokémon and Gen 4 didn't wanna give you their new Evolutions. And I really wish there were more Rock Types in the wild in Gen 4. Such nice diversity almost everywhere but the second you walk into a cave you better be excited to see Onix and Graveler.
Yeah Gen 2 in particular fumbled the new pokemon so badly. They tend to be weak or inaccessible until much later in the game. Most the trainers dont use them very much either, so their presence is hardly noticed in-game.
It should be noted that Gen 2 almost perfectly updates Gen 1 Dex in how it works with stats and types.... and with how Johto is so connected with Kanto, it feels almost like it's a connected region and the dex just more so completes Kanto rather than exists on it's own..... And I actually appreciate the lack of fire types in Gen 4. Sinnoh is a colder region. It makes sense that fire types aren't suited for the region.... so it's lacking.... Also, it should be noted that while a type is rare for a generation, it doesn't mean it's rare for a region. Because the generation separation is only for players... for the characters, a lot of the Pokemon from different generations actually DO belong to the region....
i feel like the ground type is sort of underrepresented in ‘newly designed’ pokemon the last decade or so. if we are not counting regional variants, convergent evolutions, paradox pokemon and legendaries, so just regular, newly introduced, evolutionary families one can encounter into the wild, the only new ground types we have gotten since gen 6 are Diggersby, the Mudsdale family, the Palossand family and the Sanaconda family. Paldea legit did not introduce a single ground type that is not in some shape or form related to an already existing Pokemon line except for Ting-Lu. it’s not that big of a deal, but i always wonder what the reason for this might be! I hope we get a ground/fairy Pokemon next gen, cause that is the only typing ground has not yet been paired with.
@@edgargaebolg9307 yeah, GameFreak seems a bit ‘confused’ when it comes to the rock and ground types, i still have no idea why they decided to make runerigus ground/ghost instead of rock/ghost, and why galarian corsola/cursola and houndSTONE are all pure ghost types. I doubt they will ever do this, but i feel like if they are gonna adjust the types in the type chart ever again someday, rock and grounds could easily be merged into one type and they can name it the ‘terra type’ or something like that, but that would put us on an odd number of types again, so that would probably never happen. I do hope both rock and ground get some more love in the upcoming generations!
“Ground never seems to have trouble representing itself” Pokémon X and Y (Not counting megas) with Diggersby and Zygarde (Bunnelby is pure normal): Am I a joke to you?
I judge people based off their favorite type Tryhard/ Egotistical -Dragon and Ghost Edgy and think they’re cool for not liking dragon/ghost -Dark and psychic People probably only like types because of a certain starter -grass, water, fire Weirdos but have my respect -Poison, rock, bug Chad probably goes to the gym -Steel, fighting, ground Probably hate themselves -Normal, ice, flying Nerd -electric Gay not in a bad way just gay -Fairy
8:06 and if the games screws you over with nature of your Chimchar and you didn't catch it before you dump 20 hours in, you're kinda screwed. My Chimchar had a nature that decreased attack.......
@@miguelmejia4656he meant that in gen 1 and 2 there were only 3 and 1 dragon/ghost type Pokemon introduced respectively. In gen 3 they started introducing multiple dragon and ghost type Pokemon
Interesting to see them ramp up the type balance steadily over the generations! Another topic this raises is how each generation tried to address typings that went against their climate. Hoenn and Alola, being tropical, parked their ice types deep inside a cave and high up a mountain respectively. The wintery Sinnoh had a volcano but shoved it into the postgame, and so…no Fire types for us! Funny how that works.
Yup! The great challenge of making a region with distinct landscapes. I face that struggle now as I work on my fakemon region based on California. Hard to find a home for ice types!
@@TamValleyProductionsah yup…iirc Big Bear was the only place that occasionally snowed? Or you’d have to appeal to the artsy side of Cali and do like, glass/ice sculpture mons or something. I’ve yet to check out your Orova videos actually, they’ll be on my watch list!
@@xelshade Yup, definitely room for a few standard snow and ice Pokemon in places based on Big Bear, Tahoe and Yosemite, but have to think outside of the box beyond that! Stay tuned for the return of the Orova series later this year!
@TamValleyProductions is it possible to make something like Crabrawler? Maybe at level 20 or something, the fakemon can evolve and gain the type. Then you don't need to try so hard to fit it in
Kalos also only has 2 ground types making it tied with poison plus it doesn’t have a type specialist Also in Paldea if you include the dlc, Rock has 9 pokemon
While i do agree with you, its only partially. Skrelp line is version exclusive to y, which means X doesn't have the line. So Poison is not represented in X at all as a new type.
When playing Platinum, it felt like grass was just as rare as fire for anything that you could get pre-nationaldex. For fire, I remember you could get the starters and Ponyta before the first gym, Houndoor before the fourth gym, and Magmar before the fifth. Whereas Roselia and Cherub were the only two grass mons besides the Turtwig line, and I think Roserade is the only good one besides Torterra
Roserade, Cherrim, Wormadam-Grass, Carnivine, Abomasnow, Leafeon, Tangrowth, Tropius. And all of them except Abomasnow were before the fifth gym. But the grass type can seem elusive outside of Roserade and the starters because an honestly absolutely stupid number of them are locked behind honey trees (Wormadam, Cherrim) or the great marsh (Carnivine, Tangrowth, Tropius), two idiotic mechanics I still can't believe they implemented.
Really minor thing but during gen 5, you said the venipede duo instead of trio, but this is a great video, I mean it also adds to what i believe regional variants are for which is balancing types in their current generation and in their original generation, notice kanto, and johto have multiple regional ghost types, addition of a dragon and more type variety from ice which is essentially water in gen 1
It's also worth considering what the overall balance of the Pokédex is as generations go by, which type is rarest across the whole Pokédex in each gen. Naturally, that stays the same in the first two generations, though by gen III Ghost has fallen behind, as Dragon got more additions then. These days, Ice is the least common overall - an impressive feat considering Fairy was introduced five generations later, even if 22 Pokémon did have their types changed when it was introduced. All in all, Ice definitely feels like the hardest type to encounter in most games, reflecting that overall obscurity. It's hurt a lot by being difficult to encounter until late in the game, particularly for new Pokémon. You mentioned Crabrawler being common, but in Sun & Moon the area to evolve it is literally Victory Road, meaning you can't get the only new non-regional variant Ice type until the end game. It's rare enough that the Coastal dex in Kalos didn't have a single Ice type, the only time in the main series that a Pokédex has missed a type that existed at that time.
Even competitively speaking Ice is a terrible type, only really works in very specific cases and often that is despite the Pokémon being an Ice type, not because of it
@@wehrwolff6447 With fairies becoming the dragon killers and every water type under the sun learning ice beam for some reason, using an ice type really isn't worth it. Ice needs defensive buffs to the type chart.
I'll never get why they constantly make ice types so late-game. Gen 1 was tragic anyways. Gen 2? After the seventh gym. Gen 3? Same. Gen 4? 7th gym. Gen 5? 7th gym I think? Gen 6? Frost Cave is after the sixth gym iirc. Gen 7? Tapu Village iirc. Gen 8? Icirrus is super late again (but the wild area at least mitigated it a bit). Gen 9? Yup, endgame area. There is a reason rock is nearly always early game when normal type moves are used - it's otherwise shit defensively. While being worse defensively, ice type gym leaders are always late-game, I think there's not a single ice type gym leader who's earlier than... slot 7? Or E4?
I just wish that ice was more available in the games. Only gens Unova and Galar have given the players the option of an ice type early in the game with the seasons and wild area weather.
On one hand, ice types are awful defensively so you’d think we’d get more ice types earlier. On the other hand, ice is an amazing offensive type so it kinda makes sense we get them later. I feel like mid-game is the perfect spot for players to get some ice type options.
Fire is my favorite type. I didn't pick Chimchar though because fighting was one of my least favorites. Unfortunately Rapidash is my least favorite fire type from gen 1. I distinctly remember realizing I hated my copy of Pearl, but I still played it because I only had two other games. (mariokart and harvest moon)
i think the centiscorch line was intended for alola, but scrapped, and repurposed for galar. makes way way way more sense to have a centipede pokemon in hawai'i. i know because i live on maui
@@tylerpinniger9958 true! I always forget the pre evolutions of those route 1 normal types are pure normal and do not yet have the types of their evolutions.
You could argue that, in Gen 1, Ghost is rarer because Gyarados was originally envisioned as a Water/Dragon type, only being changed to Flying once the devs realized that, with Dragon Rage being the only damaging Dragon move in that game, our boy was left functionally without a weakness
Fire being rare in SInnoha has a similar justification to Ice for Aloha, Sinnoah is based on essentially Japan's Alaska. I wish Dragons and Ghosts were still as rare as they used to be, just one new line per Gen and maybe some Legendries, with Dark and Faries sharing similar exclusivity once they're introduced.
I wouldn't exactly call Dratini/Gible/Axew late. Ice has definitely suffered more IMO. Especially poor Glaceon. Having to wait until the 7th gym or later until Hisui/Paldea.
Honestly, I think the lack of poison types in later entries is to make up for the abundance in Gen 1 specifically, as it was slapped onto half of the grass lines, and even gengar, for ??? Defensive? Reasons?
They didn't have many good ideas for how to make a plant into a fighting monster besides making it a poisonous plant. They did also hit on psychic plant, but no points for that when psychic is the other type they slapped onto whatever they didn't have better ideas for, and Tangala's just happy to be there.
I was going to mention Ogerpon with its Cornerstone mask, but then I remembered it's found in _Kitakami,_ not Paldea. So that makes it a bit of an oddball. There's also Iron Boulder, which _is_ found in Area Zero, though it's in the Blueberry Dex and not in the Paldea Dex, making it an oddball as well.
@@TamValleyProductions Only if you included legendaries as and mythicals is it not lowest all the way to the 3d era. Otherwise its 3 for hoene losing, 3 for sinoh losing again, unova is 6 which still loses to poison. It does get alot at 8 in kalos i'll give you that, alola it ties with ice at 5. Galar is 9 so no where near even without the 2 legendaries. Paldea also has 9 if you included dlc pokemon and roaring moons. So yeah after 3d the dragon count shifted upwards for sure.
I mean, it's pretty much just DP lacking in some areas. HGSS is great, the anime was great, the side games were great, the characters were great, the actual mons were great. Gen 4 got off to a rough start, but stuck the landing expertly.
Poison went from underrepresented to overrepresented. In gen1 there were multiple pure poison evolution lines (Weezing, Muk, Arbok) and it was a secondary type for many other mons
Honestly I wouldn’t count the legendaries or mythical for this video once you are only able to use them in the very end of your journey. That would definitely change things and make make the Garchomp line the only dragon-type line introduced in Sinnoh for example. And it’s even a very late Pokémon in D/P.
tbh, if you don't count legendaries/mythicals, you cannot count version exclusives either, since they don't at to the tally for a type (Looking at Alola here, while we have 5 ice types in the dex, we only get 3 per game, as 2 of the lines are version exclusives).
@@MontyMoleLoreMaster Yes, vivillon is a third form which tips the scale in numbers of forms for bug types (but not lines) in gen 6. Though notably, at least both versions feature the new bug type, but only one version has the new poison type, as the video pointed out.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that Ice was the only type in the Alola games that didn't have any specialist which rubs more salt in the wound for Ice
If anything I think Dragon type should have stayed very rare, there are too many now out there XD They also should give more love to Ice type, if I could I would want a regional bird based on a crane, so at least you can see what is look like early on.
Actually pretty interesting point at 3:30. Never thought about how those Pokémon, while introduced in gen 1, may not necessarily be from Kanto. Pretty cool concept for them to imply in gen 1.
Where did you count 10 Ice Pokemon in Unova? I can only count 9 and even that is a stretch.. The Vanilluxe line (3), the Beartic line (2), Cryogonal and Kyurem (3 Ice type Forms) The only thing I can see you did, was counting Galarian Darmanitan and Darumaka, which wouldn’t make sense, since you counted Alolan Vulpix for Alola and not Kanto.
Sinnoh is cold 1/3rd of the players will always have a fire type You don’t need a fire type every game This doesn’t matter Also isn’t ice in gen 5 just as rare? It also has 7 Pokémon and I wouldn’t count kyurem forms as separate nor would I count darmanitan retroactively
Something interesting to consider is that part of the reason Dragon doesn't consistantly land bottom is that every generation has at least 1 dragon type line and from gen 2 fowards we get a trend of getting a decent amount of legendary dragons. Hoenn does have a fair bit of dragons between 6 non-legendary and 3 legendary dragons. In Gen 4 and gen 5 dragon escapes being the lowest because of the legendary trio of dragons putting it over the top. Gen 6 have a decent amount of dragons (and it's really hard to beat a 2 as the lowest) Gen 7 escapes being the lowest type because of Necrozma and the 2 dragon type Ultra Beasts Gen 8 and 9 added a lot of Dragons in both games, but even then there are a good amount of legendary dragons. In SwSh it does add 2 legendary dragons and SV adds 2 legendary dragons + 4 paradox dragons.
You forgot Ground in Gen 6, which only includes Diggersby and Zygarde, meaning for the main game if you want a Ground type you are stuck exclusively with Diggersby
I feel you erred by skipping Hisui. Maybe you're right that it should be counted separately from Galar despite being from the same generation, but the title of the video explicitly says rarest types by generation, not rarest types by region. Hisui is part of the 8th gen and should thus be counted with it- which is the simplest way. Even if it _was_ by region, it should be counted as an extension of Sinnoh- though that might be a little tricky since none of the "new" Pokémon are new evolutionary lines, they were all regional variants and regional evolutions of Pokémon not native to Sinnoh in gen 4 (with the exception of Sneasel). Point is, it either needs to be counted as part of Sinnoh or part of gen 8, has to be one or the other, you can't do neither. Maybe Hisui should just be counted as its own region, past gen carryovers and new mon just lumped together in the total. And when Legends Z-A comes out you're going to have to account for it too.
a funfact is that ice has the lowest amount of pokemon. Yes even less than fairy. And most of them arent really good. So as someone who likes to pick up an ice type late game, sometimes there just isnt a good choice available(gen5 literally has three choices which all are pretenders for worst ice type ever). But not in gen4, all the ones there are amazing in design and power.
there are 5 fire types in sinnoh (diamond and pearl), two evolution lines. there are FOUR ice types in sinnoh (diamond and pearl), two evolution lines total. cold region? as if.
Kalos is actually a tie between poison and ground since the region only added two ground types to the roster, namely Diggersby and Zygarde (Bunnelby is pure normal)
I don't know why I wasnt subbed already, good to see content like this. I was thinking Ice types were always the rarest after gen 1, since they are the type with least amount of mons. (I personally love a lot of ice type pokémon, it sucks that the ice type is so hated because of their lack of defensive coverage)
Also x/y introduced the fairy type so it makes sense they wouldn't want to add a bunch of new poison types that could decimate them and instead show off the new toys
For Gen 8, it's actually just Ground. You forgot the Frosmoth line, which would bring the total up to 7.
Poor snom left in the cold again
You’re so right! That was my mistake. How could I forget about Frosmoth?
@@TamValleyProductionsIs that rhetorical or a real question? I honestly thought it was a new pokemon when I ran into it in Crown Tundra.
I was about to say something
Snom will remember this.
Interesting that Kalos treated Poison so badly, considering it's the Gen were Fairies were created, so I thought they'd have liked to show how Poison was "buffed". Specially with a Pokémon that does not resist Fairy due to the Dragon type
I guess they wanted to show off some of fairy power that's why they intentionally decided on not adding any poison Pokemon in the dex
UPDATE: Yes, I realize now I forgot Snom and Frosmoth in Gen 8, which bumps BOTH Ice and Bug type. That means solely Ground is the answer for Galar. That’s my mistake!
So ignore when I’m talking about Bug for that section and the rest of the video remains the same.
Actually, that's also not correct. In Galar alone there's only 4 flying types introduced, the Rookidee family and Cramorant. Which is less than ground's 5 entries.
@@andrewschaossonnope! If he’s counting regional forms, there are three more flying types, the Galarian Legendary Birds
@@emiibohello Yes, but those are locked behind another paywall, so that would still makes the flying type the rarest one.
@@andrewschaosson i’m pretty sure he’s considering DLC as part of the whole game in this case
@@emiibohello When did he say that?
Misdreavus deserved better :(
Sooo true. At least it got an evolution.
they forgot about her just like they forgot to add more ghost types in generation 1
most johto pokemon did. gen 2 enemy teams are garbage
Got an evo and a paradox variant
Very interesting! Although i think the video could be more complete if you also did the rarest overral during the main story, like how after gen 2 you have pokemon of the previous generations to try to cover the lack of new pokemon for the respective type
I would be intrested in the type density based on regional dexes in general although i suspect the results would likely be and obvious water and normal types are common and dragons are rare. Also i predict fire types are the rarest of the 3 starter types in every single region.
Fire types are definitely the rarest!
It's amazing how Gen 2 didn't wanna let you get their new Pokémon and Gen 4 didn't wanna give you their new Evolutions.
And I really wish there were more Rock Types in the wild in Gen 4. Such nice diversity almost everywhere but the second you walk into a cave you better be excited to see Onix and Graveler.
Yeah Gen 2 in particular fumbled the new pokemon so badly. They tend to be weak or inaccessible until much later in the game. Most the trainers dont use them very much either, so their presence is hardly noticed in-game.
It should be noted that Gen 2 almost perfectly updates Gen 1 Dex in how it works with stats and types.... and with how Johto is so connected with Kanto, it feels almost like it's a connected region and the dex just more so completes Kanto rather than exists on it's own.....
And I actually appreciate the lack of fire types in Gen 4. Sinnoh is a colder region. It makes sense that fire types aren't suited for the region.... so it's lacking....
Also, it should be noted that while a type is rare for a generation, it doesn't mean it's rare for a region.
Because the generation separation is only for players... for the characters, a lot of the Pokemon from different generations actually DO belong to the region....
I hadn't really considered that about Sinnoh, it being a colder region, makes sense that they'd have less fire types... but I like fire types 😂
i feel like the ground type is sort of underrepresented in ‘newly designed’ pokemon the last decade or so.
if we are not counting regional variants, convergent evolutions, paradox pokemon and legendaries, so just regular, newly introduced, evolutionary families one can encounter into the wild, the only new ground types we have gotten since gen 6 are Diggersby, the Mudsdale family, the Palossand family and the Sanaconda family. Paldea legit did not introduce a single ground type that is not in some shape or form related to an already existing Pokemon line except for Ting-Lu.
it’s not that big of a deal, but i always wonder what the reason for this might be! I hope we get a ground/fairy Pokemon next gen, cause that is the only typing ground has not yet been paired with.
I have noticed that ground type has certainly tapered off how many new entries it gets!
Good news: my fakemon region will have a ground fairy type. Stay tuned.
Ground has always felt like it overlaps with Rock, maybe they can't come up with a new design that's distinctly Ground
@@TamValleyProductions oh that sounds cool! i will definitely check that out, since i enjoy your content a lot!
@@edgargaebolg9307 yeah, GameFreak seems a bit ‘confused’ when it comes to the rock and ground types, i still have no idea why they decided to make runerigus ground/ghost instead of rock/ghost, and why galarian corsola/cursola and houndSTONE are all pure ghost types.
I doubt they will ever do this, but i feel like if they are gonna adjust the types in the type chart ever again someday, rock and grounds could easily be merged into one type and they can name it the ‘terra type’ or something like that, but that would put us on an odd number of types again, so that would probably never happen. I do hope both rock and ground get some more love in the upcoming generations!
“Ground never seems to have trouble representing itself”
Pokémon X and Y (Not counting megas) with Diggersby and Zygarde (Bunnelby is pure normal): Am I a joke to you?
misdreavus can never get a break
Sadly true. Mismagius is so cool.
To be fair, it's ancient cousin could make Gen 1 Mewtwo soil itself. (Gen 1 Psychic ghost glitched interaction aside)
How could you forget our boi Snom??
How much do I need to donate for your fakemon game to get some lowercase letters
The most rare types are normal/ghost (which doesn't exist) and water/steel
I already predict gen 4 being fire xd
I judge people based off their favorite type
Tryhard/ Egotistical
-Dragon and Ghost
Edgy and think they’re cool for not liking dragon/ghost
-Dark and psychic
People probably only like types because of a certain starter
-grass, water, fire
Weirdos but have my respect
-Poison, rock, bug
Chad probably goes to the gym
-Steel, fighting, ground
Probably hate themselves
-Normal, ice, flying
Nerd
-electric
Gay not in a bad way just gay
-Fairy
8:06 and if the games screws you over with nature of your Chimchar and you didn't catch it before you dump 20 hours in, you're kinda screwed. My Chimchar had a nature that decreased attack.......
That’s rough, buddy.
Poison trainer Agatha and Bird Keeper Lance
Very true
In Kanto, the Poison type trainer class is Biker
@@dasaiyantv8483Biker Agatha just sounds wrong though
@@eggyt1153 a biker grandma sounds badass af!
And Mystic/Swimmer Lorelei.
Dragon and ghost types were basically introduced in gen 3
Basically! Crazy how it took 2 full generations for us to get common Pokemon of these types.
dragon and ghost types were introduced in generation 1
@@miguelmejia4656he meant that in gen 1 and 2 there were only 3 and 1 dragon/ghost type Pokemon introduced respectively.
In gen 3 they started introducing multiple dragon and ghost type Pokemon
@@miguelmejia4656most autistic response imaginable.
*were
Give us Ice types earlier than the second half.
Right???
It's definitely not Water in Generation 3.
I rate the inclusion of water types a 7.8/10
It's definitely fire in generation 4.
@@TamValleyProductionsif you ask me, there’s too MUCH
The amount of water in Gen 3 made me realize Team Magma deserved to win.
Interesting to see them ramp up the type balance steadily over the generations!
Another topic this raises is how each generation tried to address typings that went against their climate. Hoenn and Alola, being tropical, parked their ice types deep inside a cave and high up a mountain respectively.
The wintery Sinnoh had a volcano but shoved it into the postgame, and so…no Fire types for us! Funny how that works.
Yup! The great challenge of making a region with distinct landscapes. I face that struggle now as I work on my fakemon region based on California. Hard to find a home for ice types!
@@TamValleyProductionsah yup…iirc Big Bear was the only place that occasionally snowed? Or you’d have to appeal to the artsy side of Cali and do like, glass/ice sculpture mons or something.
I’ve yet to check out your Orova videos actually, they’ll be on my watch list!
@@xelshade Yup, definitely room for a few standard snow and ice Pokemon in places based on Big Bear, Tahoe and Yosemite, but have to think outside of the box beyond that!
Stay tuned for the return of the Orova series later this year!
@TamValleyProductions is it possible to make something like Crabrawler? Maybe at level 20 or something, the fakemon can evolve and gain the type. Then you don't need to try so hard to fit it in
Kalos also only has 2 ground types making it tied with poison plus it doesn’t have a type specialist
Also in Paldea if you include the dlc, Rock has 9 pokemon
Good point about the DLC!
Technically Ground is rarer than Poison, because 1 of the 2 new Ground-types was a post-game legendary.
@@DaSheepKiller I disagree actually, since the Skrelp Line is Y exclusive, making it more rare than Diggersby and Zygarde, who are in both games.
If uncount evolutionaru lines poison would be rarer
Kalos has 3 though, poison only has a 2-line
Ground also only has 2 kalos representatives with diggersby and zygarde, and then the 3 members of the vivillon line are the only new bugs
Ground in gen 6 only have Diggersby and Zygarde. So it should tie with Poison
Good point!
While i do agree with you, its only partially. Skrelp line is version exclusive to y, which means X doesn't have the line. So Poison is not represented in X at all as a new type.
@@nickdentoom1173 that’s a good way of putting it. So a version exclusive counts for half a point if they’re not equally represented in the duo.
@@CrazyWeridoRH Agreed with that 100%.
I guess ground at least got more than one line, albeit only one form in a two-stage line and one legendary.
When playing Platinum, it felt like grass was just as rare as fire for anything that you could get pre-nationaldex. For fire, I remember you could get the starters and Ponyta before the first gym, Houndoor before the fourth gym, and Magmar before the fifth. Whereas Roselia and Cherub were the only two grass mons besides the Turtwig line, and I think Roserade is the only good one besides Torterra
Roserade, Cherrim, Wormadam-Grass, Carnivine, Abomasnow, Leafeon, Tangrowth, Tropius.
And all of them except Abomasnow were before the fifth gym.
But the grass type can seem elusive outside of Roserade and the starters because an honestly absolutely stupid number of them are locked behind honey trees (Wormadam, Cherrim) or the great marsh (Carnivine, Tangrowth, Tropius), two idiotic mechanics I still can't believe they implemented.
@@youtube-kit9450 AHHH exactly yeah, I literally never even messed with those damn trees lol
Really minor thing but during gen 5, you said the venipede duo instead of trio, but this is a great video, I mean it also adds to what i believe regional variants are for which is balancing types in their current generation and in their original generation, notice kanto, and johto have multiple regional ghost types, addition of a dragon and more type variety from ice which is essentially water in gen 1
It's also worth considering what the overall balance of the Pokédex is as generations go by, which type is rarest across the whole Pokédex in each gen. Naturally, that stays the same in the first two generations, though by gen III Ghost has fallen behind, as Dragon got more additions then. These days, Ice is the least common overall - an impressive feat considering Fairy was introduced five generations later, even if 22 Pokémon did have their types changed when it was introduced.
All in all, Ice definitely feels like the hardest type to encounter in most games, reflecting that overall obscurity. It's hurt a lot by being difficult to encounter until late in the game, particularly for new Pokémon. You mentioned Crabrawler being common, but in Sun & Moon the area to evolve it is literally Victory Road, meaning you can't get the only new non-regional variant Ice type until the end game. It's rare enough that the Coastal dex in Kalos didn't have a single Ice type, the only time in the main series that a Pokédex has missed a type that existed at that time.
It's also weird because Ice, despite it's competitive merits... Is on the whole really hard to use. You don't exactly feel rewarded for waiting
Even competitively speaking Ice is a terrible type, only really works in very specific cases and often that is despite the Pokémon being an Ice type, not because of it
@@wehrwolff6447 With fairies becoming the dragon killers and every water type under the sun learning ice beam for some reason, using an ice type really isn't worth it. Ice needs defensive buffs to the type chart.
I'll never get why they constantly make ice types so late-game.
Gen 1 was tragic anyways. Gen 2? After the seventh gym. Gen 3? Same. Gen 4? 7th gym. Gen 5? 7th gym I think? Gen 6? Frost Cave is after the sixth gym iirc. Gen 7? Tapu Village iirc. Gen 8? Icirrus is super late again (but the wild area at least mitigated it a bit). Gen 9? Yup, endgame area.
There is a reason rock is nearly always early game when normal type moves are used - it's otherwise shit defensively. While being worse defensively, ice type gym leaders are always late-game, I think there's not a single ice type gym leader who's earlier than... slot 7? Or E4?
@youtube-kit9450
You can get an ice type by the third? I think gym in gen 5
I just wish that ice was more available in the games. Only gens Unova and Galar have given the players the option of an ice type early in the game with the seasons and wild area weather.
On one hand, ice types are awful defensively so you’d think we’d get more ice types earlier. On the other hand, ice is an amazing offensive type so it kinda makes sense we get them later. I feel like mid-game is the perfect spot for players to get some ice type options.
Fire is my favorite type. I didn't pick Chimchar though because fighting was one of my least favorites. Unfortunately Rapidash is my least favorite fire type from gen 1. I distinctly remember realizing I hated my copy of Pearl, but I still played it because I only had two other games. (mariokart and harvest moon)
i think the centiscorch line was intended for alola, but scrapped, and repurposed for galar. makes way way way more sense to have a centipede pokemon in hawai'i. i know because i live on maui
and i live in the uk and i don't think i've ever seen a centipede irl!
@@ilexdiapason would not surprise me if we get an alolan centiscorch line when we revisit alola in Pokemon Legends: Type: Null
This video inspires me to want to make a video about a new Pokemon to fix each of these issues.
That would be pretty neat!
Interesting I thought there were few new ground types in gen6 with Diggersby and Zygarde
Yup! Those are pretty rare. Just Zygarde and the Diggersby family; so 3 total. At least Zygarde has alternate forms and Diggersby is pretty common.
@@TamValleyProductions bunnelby is not a ground type
It ties with poison, as it’s only zygarde and diggersby (which gains the ground typing upon evolving)
@@tylerpinniger9958 true! I always forget the pre evolutions of those route 1 normal types are pure normal and do not yet have the types of their evolutions.
@@TamValleyProductions Fair enough
Sinnoh is the opposite alola
Hokkaido (the region that Sinnoh is based on) is the coldest region in Japan, hence the lack of fire types
You could argue that, in Gen 1, Ghost is rarer because Gyarados was originally envisioned as a Water/Dragon type, only being changed to Flying once the devs realized that, with Dragon Rage being the only damaging Dragon move in that game, our boy was left functionally without a weakness
Fire being rare in SInnoha has a similar justification to Ice for Aloha, Sinnoah is based on essentially Japan's Alaska.
I wish Dragons and Ghosts were still as rare as they used to be, just one new line per Gen and maybe some Legendries, with Dark and Faries sharing similar exclusivity once they're introduced.
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ice typoes and dragon type are basically impossible to find early in most generations
I wouldn't exactly call Dratini/Gible/Axew late.
Ice has definitely suffered more IMO. Especially poor Glaceon. Having to wait until the 7th gym or later until Hisui/Paldea.
@@1stCallipostle why would the make glaceon slow his design screams fast. His speed should be 110 and his defense should be 65.
Kalos introduced another Ice type than bergmite and avalugg? 'cause I tought it would be the rarest type of the generation
I you to see the most common type in each gen
You should have showed the total of all games at the end(btw great video)
Honestly, I think the lack of poison types in later entries is to make up for the abundance in Gen 1 specifically, as it was slapped onto half of the grass lines, and even gengar, for ??? Defensive? Reasons?
They didn't have many good ideas for how to make a plant into a fighting monster besides making it a poisonous plant. They did also hit on psychic plant, but no points for that when psychic is the other type they slapped onto whatever they didn't have better ideas for, and Tangala's just happy to be there.
Fun fact, gen 1 introduced the most amount of pokemon of one type PERIOD
Ghost and dragon were as good as not existing in Kanto.
I was going to mention Ogerpon with its Cornerstone mask, but then I remembered it's found in _Kitakami,_ not Paldea. So that makes it a bit of an oddball.
There's also Iron Boulder, which _is_ found in Area Zero, though it's in the Blueberry Dex and not in the Paldea Dex, making it an oddball as well.
Dragon despite it being my favorite it can be quite rare!
It definitely started out rare, but Pokémon has really ramped up the number of new dragons in each gen since the 3D era began!
@@TamValleyProductions Which that I appreciate so much more!
@@TamValleyProductions Only if you included legendaries as and mythicals is it not lowest all the way to the 3d era. Otherwise its 3 for hoene losing, 3 for sinoh losing again, unova is 6 which still loses to poison. It does get alot at 8 in kalos i'll give you that, alola it ties with ice at 5. Galar is 9 so no where near even without the 2 legendaries. Paldea also has 9 if you included dlc pokemon and roaring moons.
So yeah after 3d the dragon count shifted upwards for sure.
Gen 4 it a mess without Platinum
I mean, it's pretty much just DP lacking in some areas. HGSS is great, the anime was great, the side games were great, the characters were great, the actual mons were great. Gen 4 got off to a rough start, but stuck the landing expertly.
DP just kinda blow.
I meean Bug was only 3 in gen 6 as well.
Not a lot but poison really got a shorter stick
Poison went from underrepresented to overrepresented. In gen1 there were multiple pure poison evolution lines (Weezing, Muk, Arbok) and it was a secondary type for many other mons
Honestly I wouldn’t count the legendaries or mythical for this video once you are only able to use them in the very end of your journey. That would definitely change things and make make the Garchomp line the only dragon-type line introduced in Sinnoh for example. And it’s even a very late Pokémon in D/P.
That’s an interesting point!
tbh, if you don't count legendaries/mythicals, you cannot count version exclusives either, since they don't at to the tally for a type (Looking at Alola here, while we have 5 ice types in the dex, we only get 3 per game, as 2 of the lines are version exclusives).
I was genuinely surprised that Bug type was not the most rare type of Gen 6 (as the only new Bug type in all of Kalos is Vivillon).
It and poison both got only one line, but the bug line got more forms.
@@jaschabull2365 Is it mainly cause of Vivillon?
@@MontyMoleLoreMaster
Yes, vivillon is a third form which tips the scale in numbers of forms for bug types (but not lines) in gen 6.
Though notably, at least both versions feature the new bug type, but only one version has the new poison type, as the video pointed out.
@@jaschabull2365 Yeah true, it is strange how both Bug and Poison only got one line, yet they made two Grass/Ghost type lines lol.
Unova also only has 7 ice types wich ties with poison
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that Ice was the only type in the Alola games that didn't have any specialist which rubs more salt in the wound for Ice
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If anything I think Dragon type should have stayed very rare, there are too many now out there XD
They also should give more love to Ice type, if I could I would want a regional bird based on a crane, so at least you can see what is look like early on.
I took the fire ape in Sinnoh the first time, so it took me ages to realise that they were so little fire types in the 4th generation
it surprises me that the most elusive type over the entire series is the rarest in only 2 gens. the ice type realy needs some more love
Actually pretty interesting point at 3:30. Never thought about how those Pokémon, while introduced in gen 1, may not necessarily be from Kanto. Pretty cool concept for them to imply in gen 1.
Where did you count 10 Ice Pokemon in Unova? I can only count 9 and even that is a stretch..
The Vanilluxe line (3), the Beartic line (2), Cryogonal and Kyurem (3 Ice type Forms)
The only thing I can see you did, was counting Galarian Darmanitan and Darumaka, which wouldn’t make sense, since you counted Alolan Vulpix for Alola and not Kanto.
Sinnoh is cold
1/3rd of the players will always have a fire type
You don’t need a fire type every game
This doesn’t matter
Also isn’t ice in gen 5 just as rare? It also has 7 Pokémon and I wouldn’t count kyurem forms as separate nor would I count darmanitan retroactively
Something interesting to consider is that part of the reason Dragon doesn't consistantly land bottom is that every generation has at least 1 dragon type line and from gen 2 fowards we get a trend of getting a decent amount of legendary dragons.
Hoenn does have a fair bit of dragons between 6 non-legendary and 3 legendary dragons.
In Gen 4 and gen 5 dragon escapes being the lowest because of the legendary trio of dragons putting it over the top.
Gen 6 have a decent amount of dragons (and it's really hard to beat a 2 as the lowest)
Gen 7 escapes being the lowest type because of Necrozma and the 2 dragon type Ultra Beasts
Gen 8 and 9 added a lot of Dragons in both games, but even then there are a good amount of legendary dragons. In SwSh it does add 2 legendary dragons and SV adds 2 legendary dragons + 4 paradox dragons.
For gen 6, it’s a tie between poison and ground, ground being only represented by the rabbit and Zygarde
You forgot Ground in Gen 6, which only includes Diggersby and Zygarde, meaning for the main game if you want a Ground type you are stuck exclusively with Diggersby
I feel you erred by skipping Hisui. Maybe you're right that it should be counted separately from Galar despite being from the same generation, but the title of the video explicitly says rarest types by generation, not rarest types by region. Hisui is part of the 8th gen and should thus be counted with it- which is the simplest way. Even if it _was_ by region, it should be counted as an extension of Sinnoh- though that might be a little tricky since none of the "new" Pokémon are new evolutionary lines, they were all regional variants and regional evolutions of Pokémon not native to Sinnoh in gen 4 (with the exception of Sneasel). Point is, it either needs to be counted as part of Sinnoh or part of gen 8, has to be one or the other, you can't do neither. Maybe Hisui should just be counted as its own region, past gen carryovers and new mon just lumped together in the total. And when Legends Z-A comes out you're going to have to account for it too.
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Gen 5 has only 7 Ice types, right? Should be tied with Poison.
Gen 4 also has Rotom-Heat, but it's still probably last place
Since you’re back, would it be possible to do more type history videos on the other types?
a funfact is that ice has the lowest amount of pokemon. Yes even less than fairy. And most of them arent really good. So as someone who likes to pick up an ice type late game, sometimes there just isnt a good choice available(gen5 literally has three choices which all are pretenders for worst ice type ever). But not in gen4, all the ones there are amazing in design and power.
there are 5 fire types in sinnoh (diamond and pearl), two evolution lines.
there are FOUR ice types in sinnoh (diamond and pearl), two evolution lines total. cold region? as if.
Kalos is actually a tie between poison and ground since the region only added two ground types to the roster, namely Diggersby and Zygarde (Bunnelby is pure normal)
It’s obviously the water type
Finding water types is so hard. Especially in Hoenn!
I always felt Ice was the rarest in Gen 1. Cloyster, Dewgong and Lapras somehow don't translate as Ice type pkmn to me 😅
Should’ve used the whole regional dex of each region (also some 3rd version and remake can have a different dex than the original)
I don't know why I wasnt subbed already, good to see content like this. I was thinking Ice types were always the rarest after gen 1, since they are the type with least amount of mons. (I personally love a lot of ice type pokémon, it sucks that the ice type is so hated because of their lack of defensive coverage)
Also x/y introduced the fairy type so it makes sense they wouldn't want to add a bunch of new poison types that could decimate them and instead show off the new toys
Kalos had Mega-Gengar/Beedrill/Venusaur
Would that affect the total?
Gen 6 doesn't have a poison specialist, but Deagalgae is still represented.
Generation 9 is actually flying because there’s only 6.
Honorable mention to Galar poison types as in the base game, as there only exist 4 Pokémon
You did forget snom and frosmoth in gen 8 and in gen 9 also have orgepon and and iron boulder as rock types
Should all types have roughly the same representation or should some be rarer than others? 🤔
You missed out on ground type in kalos, as it only has 2 ground type pokemon in total
unova dex is so good what the hell
One of the best!
Hey in kalos is acually a tie bettwen poison and ground with 2 pkm ecth
Sooo, is this rarest new pokemon added or rarest type in each generation?
Gen 4 you forgot god. He can be any type it’s one of his forms
It’s very odd that Gen 2 doesn’t have a ground type specialist
I didn't exepct a gen to have bugs are the least common rype!
9:10 Venipede TRIO*
Man, I never hear anyone talk about the Fiore Region.
This video is inaccurate, borderline misleading.
I so didn't expect the electric type to be the rarest type in the gen3
Gen 8 is wrong!!! Snom and Frosmoth are bugs!!!!
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What do you mean Fairy isnt the rarest in gen 1😫
For gen V isn't it a tie with ice?
How does the count change when you exclude legendary and mythical Pokémon?
That would be a good question!
Ghost type was basically a lie in gen 1 😂
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I could be wrong, but if you don't count legendaries, Poliwrath is still the only water/fighting there is.
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@@ichadpromax ah. I haven't played gen 9.
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