The Evolution of Pokémon Designs: Grass, Fire & Water Type
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How have Pokémon designs evolved over time? Do they follow a linear trend of incorporating more complex features, origins and elements? How do the Generation 1 designs compare to what we have nearly three decades later? Let’s talk about it by diving into the complete history of Grass, Fire & Water types.
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0:00 Intro
1:34 Generation I
4:58 Generation II
7:29 Generation III
11:46 Generation IV
15:22 Generation V
18:38 Generation VI
20:54 Generation VII
23:29 Generation VIII
26:19 Generation IX
28:53 Recap & Announcements
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"Victreebell's pitcher plant is the closest we get to specificity."
Vileplume looking away like it isn't literally a walking rafflesia
Just noticed this now when i saw all the Gen 1 Fire Types are put together.
But Fire as a famously man made concept and as a big part of human and societal evolution that rarely appears on nature aside from non living organisms. Are represented mostly by mythical creatures in gen 1.
Charizard is a Dragon, Rapidash is a Unicorn, Arkanine is the Lion Dogs, Moltress is a Phoenix, etc, etc.
Great observation!
Great point! Ninetales is also a kitsune and magmar definitely looks more like some sort of mythical monster than any kind of animal I've seen. The only one which looks anything like a regular animal is flareon, and even it can't be caught in the wild, instead having its unevolved form given to the player instead.
Not the Alolan Exeggcutor head being outta the video 😂😂
He’s a tall boy.
I no longer have to comment 😂😅
Vileplume is quite specific actually. It is inspired by Rafflesia , the very smelly flower, which is reflected in the name VILE plume.
Just what I was going to say, Vileplume is definitely the most specific of all the gen 1 grasses
I was confused by that too. Vileplume looks just very directly like a stylization of a rafflesia. And it‘s so easy to find out, I just googled „Vileplume“ and the first thing that pops up is Bulbapedia saying it’s a „Rafflesia-like Pokémon“.
Additionally, Parasect derives direct inspiration from the Tochukaso or caterpillar fungus, a real world fungal parasite that replaces the host tissue and can affect the behavior of its insect host.
Honestly that note about general design would've been a lot more fitting from the fire type. It appears Grass types have always drawn specific inspiration from nature.
I've never thought about how screen size and resolution would have influenced the design philosophies across the generations
I remember awhile ago someone said that the starters went from blank states that you could put a personality on (My Charizard likes to fight! My Venusaur is a sleepy boy! My Blastoise is a big softy who acts tough” the designs have so much personality in them they’re almost more like people that Pokémon. Scot bunny is competitive because it’s an athlete. Enteleon only looks like it can be a cool assassin and not a goober possibly
Absolutely this, so many Pokemon are based around a personality now instead of a concept. With earlier gens it was easier to believe these were real creatures in the world. You're telling me every small blue lizard is a pushover to start but becomes a 007 styled secret agent sniper? Why? Wouldn't it be so much more interesting if most Enteleons were just water lizards but say for the show, the main one has this 007 personality. Idk it's weird, like so every Scorbunny plays soccer? A human invention? So like this mon is intrinsically tied with human sports? What if there's no soccer? Different evolution line? Same situation there, would be cooler if most Scorbunny are just regular fire rabbits but the main protagonists one in a show decided to make soccer their whole identity.
@@TheEmpireDabsBack that’s EXACTLY what I mean. Like even Charizards in the anime tend to act brash and tough but they’re still individual enough that Ash’s is still unique
2:16 I disagree, Parasect's fungus got a name, Tochukaso which is the name of the real Chinese cordyceps, the shape is a bit generic but it's a direct reference. While Vileplume specifically pulls from the rafflesia in shape, color and properties
came here to point this out. His claim about non-specific is extremely false here..
Yeah and exeggutor has to be a coconut palm right?
I wonder if he was only looking at Venusaur when he wrote that 🤣
One thing to note is that later Generations, (6-onward) tend to have many revisits of older pokemon (mega, regionals, paradoxes, etc). So the diversity of later gens could be in part due to revisits bringing in some of the older design trends into new rosters.
When you talked about the Gen 2 fire types having more complex shape than Gen 1's I'm surprised you didn't mention that Typhlosion's neck flame and bottom-heavy body make it's silhouette resemble an erupting volcano.
The volcano thing is something I didn’t even notice! Pretty subtle but cool detail
Interesting how certain design philosophies would phase in and out over the generations. I would like to see open flames return more though, just in a unique way.
Agreed. It’s always really satisfying and powerful looking. Glad fire starters, for the most part, keep this trend alive!
Gen 9 had some open flame designs with charcadet line and some nice stylized cube fire with skeledirge or hisuian typhlosion having those wispy flames, I think open flames should be used sparingly and saved for these more interesting shapes
Your pfp did you cook or are you cooked
@@TrulyAtrocious I'm not sure what that means in English, but I made it myself. It's a fusion of Snivy and Tepig.
@@mrshmuga9 i think what they mean is that they can't decide whether it's good or bad. i think it's pretty good
I dont really hate any Pokemon designs. From the animals to the plants to the humanoids to the rocks, magnets, and ice cream(Vanillite is best boi) they feel distinct and charming, and if you put one on your team, you learn to love it.
I agree! Every design has something to offer.
Same for me, with the exception of specifically crabrawler
@@steeljace funny, I always liked Crabominable. You can practically see it flailing it's long arms for Ice Hammer just by getting a good look.
Same for me, with the exception of squawkabilly. Idk why but squawkabilly infuriates me and I think it has a very punchable face…
The only Pokémon I actively dislike is Veluza for that exact reason. It’s the only design in Pokémon that has nothing to offer
1. Literally just Bruxish with less color
2. Same typing as Bruxish
3. Same Body shape
4. Had an ability that buffs a certain type of physical attack like Bruxish
5. Super speedy in the overworld but slow as molasses in battle
“But he’s using Fillet away in the overworld😫”
THEN HE SHOULD START THE WILD BATTLE AT HALF HEALTH AND BOOSTED STATS!
And out of all of the Pokémon to copy homework from. Why Bruxish?
From gen 7 onwards, it became hard to discover pokemon's type just by looking at them. The first time i faced an enemy urshifu, i immediately got that he was a fighting mon, but was blown away when discovered he was a water type as well. Same thing for blacefalon: By no means it comunicates it is a fire pokemon.
Great point! Types are less of a primary guide for the design, and now just a small detail.
In defence of blace, ultra beasts are as a whole a massive divergence from pokemon design philosophies, so a lot of details about them and information is going to be obscured as per the traditional pokemon style
Well, it's a fireworks (fire) that blows its head, and if you have no head, you died (ghost)
i find your analysis lacking in a lot of areas, like how you talk about grass types in later generations getting more details and markings due to less sprite limitations (e.g. carnivine) when clearly venusaur, parasect, vileplume, and victreebel have these similar markings on them. still glad you made this video, really cool idea and made me appreciate some stuff i never noticed before👍
What i find interesting is that there are a lot less of these three types than i remember more specifically water and grass
I was so struck realizing how few fire types there are, too! Mainly 3-5 families total with the exception of Generations 5 and 9.
well, considering how many types there are this completely makes sense. You can't really expect there to be more than 10 Pokémon most of these types. But the fire is definitely one of the fewer. That's why I frequently get the fire starter. Because there are many good water types available.
Sinnoh sucks in this regard. Your options for Fire types in Gen 4 are Infernape, Rapidash, Magmar/Magmortar (if you can trade), and Heatran in postgame.
Okay I need to rant: Sinnoh is awful for unique team building, actually. The game throws your Starter, Shinx, Starly, Budew, and Bidoof at you early game, all of which evolve into very useful Pokémon. Later, you get Riolu and Gible, filling out your team. Because of how vital these Pokémon tend to be for your team and how early you get them, the game is designed for EVERYBODY to use a team that closely resembles this one. Given how the biggest strength Pokémon has is its enormous bestiary and design variety, making a generation that all but forces every player to use a handful of similar teams is a total failure of design.
Hope we some day get 2 more 3 stage route 1 birds that eventually gain grass and water type inorder to have it possible to have a classic starter trio as a bird keeper
I’d love to see that! Talonflame having some counterparts would be nice. Pelliper doesn’t really cut it.
@@TamValleyProductions Yeah at this point I really wouldn't mind an evolution for it or maybe a regional branch, though if the hypothetical new birds started off as normal flying type and gained their second other typing later it would feel more intentional as a trio but that may be too specific
I’d say pelipper fits the bill as a water starter bird. You can find Wingulls super early
@@jacklong7183I think the only real thing from making Pelliper part of a trio with Talonflane is the lack of 3rd stage evolution, that being said, a regional evolution of pelliper that makes it a Shoebill Stork would be fun
Vileplume is also directly related to another plant - the rafflesia flower.
I love the designes between gen 3 and 4, because ithey are a clear evolution of the basic ideas of gen 1 and 2.
Me too! That era and art style will always be the most nostalgic for me since that’s when I got into Pokémon as well.
I love how Ogerpon was on all three for Gen 9
I'm so proud of her
Rockin it in every type!
@@TamValleyProductions ROCKing it? Like the cornerstone mask?
Proud ? Ugh
The puns here will kill me.
Something I can't help but note is that you mention how Gen 3's fire types make use of 'situational' fire, like Blaziken's cuffs. But the entire Typhlosion line actually did that first; even if it isn't as commonly depicted.
True! I forget sometimes that Typholsion varies wildly on how it shows its fire.
@@TamValleyProductions Honestly, I can't blame you. Looking up the entire line and looking at the images tab, I'm hardpressed to locate a single instance of the whole line without their flames. Honestly, the reason I know they can turn it off at all is because of Cyndaquil, but even then only in the anime and the Mystery Dungeon games.
The 3D models Game Freak uses now also show them with their flames off, but they aren't exactly commonly seen given that they're a starter.
If you're doing these by sets of three, may I suggest
Rock, Ground, Steel
Bug, Poison, Electric
Dragon, Fairy, Normal
Psychic, Ghost, Dark
Fighting, Flying, Ice
These are good sets!
These are good! Would personally love to see Normal, Fighting, Flying together as they all feature very "simple" concepts, at least in early gens. Raticate is just a rat, Pidgeot is just a bird and Machamp is just a strong guy.
@@Thorcoal also a good choise. Swap Ice and Normal with eachothers
Great trios, I personally would preferred:
Bug, Poison and Fairy
Dragon, Electric and Ice
Fighting, Normal and Flying. Like other comments suggested.
@@alexmunoz7683 I know Fighting, Flying, Normal makes sense type wise. I just changed Ice and Normal between eachothers because so many Normal types share Flying, so it would bring little more variety and not analyse so many same designs in one video.
Such a great analysis. Didn't even consider the upgrade in visual complexity as Pokémon shifted into the DS era.
Right? The jump is far more expected than most people realize!
I really love this video Tam! Entertaining and I’ve learned a lot. It’s cool to see how each type evolves through the generations
The lack of fire type Pokémon in Generation III and Generation IV was unacceptable....
Great Analysis You've earned a Sub. 👍
2:08 vileplume is pretty clearly based on the rafflesia flower dude
Wow, finaly! I discovered your Channel recently thanks to Pokémon Z and the Avatar videos.
As your last video was months ago, i was worried that this was one of those dead Channels , so is good to know that you still working, thanks you for the Very good vids ❤
Still here! 😎 Tons of upcoming videos in the near future and something big I’m working on behind the scenes, stay tuned!
I also can't wait to see how the dual typed ones compare to their other half
I don’t know what makes pokemon videos so calming, comforting, and fascinating, but I love it. This video was lovely. Thank you.
Gen 4 Designs are still fire despite the lack of Fire types. My Favorite Gen 4 starters go like this:1.Empoleon,2.Torterra,and Infernape.
The Gen 4 is far and away the GOAT starter trio. I will be taking no further questions.
The only valid opinion regarding Gen 4 starters
Really enjoyed this analysis, would love to see it about other types!
this is a great video with a lot of work looking into so many elements! i love more in depth/analyzation video essays about pokemon and i can't wait to see the other types videos
literally amazing video i've always wanted one of these
Excellent analysis! I'm a bit torn. On one end, I think Pokemon designs were better in the early generations, because they kept it simple and the art style was more about believable body proportions with (mostly) tangible textures. The designs didn't look too busy and thus were easily memorable. Not like the later gens were the designs just started to get too cartoony and goofy with awkward body proportions.
Yet at the same time, the concepts in later gens are so much stronger. The early generations have "literally just a crab" or "literally just a bird," yet the latest generation have a starter trio that's based on celebrations from different Spanish-speaking countries, and a dog made out of bread that's literally a "purebread."
So I guess if the GameFreak designers could find that ideal balance between sticking to the artistic style of Generation 1 while still pulling from multiple sources of inspiration for their design concepts, then we'd be in a perfect place.
2:06 vileplume (and also kinda venusaur) are both based on corpse flowers. there are still a lot of simpler more generic elements to theirs and other designs, but i dont think youre giving their designs enough credit.
Great insight! I'll eagerly await the next videos :)
This video was so good, I'd love to see you cover this same concept with every other type
This is like my favorite video on RUclips, thank you. Please do more of this
More content on the way 🫶
A beautiful video! As an artist myself, I never really took the time to sit down and analyze the design philosophy of each generation. Looking forward to more of your future projects!
I love the thought and intent you put into these videos! And your voice is so soothing :) You’re killing it
Thank you so much! More fun content is on the way 😁
Great video!! Would love to see you do this for all the types
Really looking forward to this new series! I love it!
Another banger. Been revisiting your two videos on which generations and types have the best designs, and you managed to fuse both into this even more detailed analysis. Absolute gold for the fakemon design community.
Which types are you personally most interested in analyzing next? I’m thinking the crazy diverse types like Ghost, Fairy and Psychic should be super interesting.
Thank you so much! I would love to take a stab at the trio of Psychic, Dark and Fighting, but Ghost could be awesome too! It is my favorite type as well.
@@TamValleyProductions Awesome! Really hope this video picks up, I’d love to see more.
Love Ogerpon sneaking her way into all three groups in gen 9
I got to appreciate more new pokemon design after this video. Thanks
This video was awesome! I would love to see this done with other types.
Great video, would love one on all of the other types!
Amazing idea for a video!
Waiting for the other type
I was actually just thinking about this sort of thing a couple days. Like, which specimen of each type exemplifies it best and such. I would love to see more of this.
Y'know, I really love simplicity. That, paired with my love of animals, really explains why I like older generation designs more consistently than new ones. And I didn't realize that simple answer until watching your video. So, thank you.
2:15 Vileplume is also heavily based off of a real flower that smells like rotting meat, so that's where its poison/grass type comes in.
love this video 💜
I need this videos but the other types, you presented this information which such a flow, I love it. Great video and story telling
Thank you! More fun videos on the way.
The designs have gotten smarter. I went my whole life not fulling knowing the secrets behind the designs until gen 7. That's when most people woke up to the deliberate features of the designs I think. over 1 thousand pokemon and still amazing they can create such diffrent pokemon
The careful and layered thought behind almost each and every design is why this franchise is so special!
@@TamValleyProductions its why Digimon and other Pokemon clones died out and Pokemon only gets bigger. Digimon wasn't a clone, but my point is its design isn't well thought out and random. Unlike pokemon where people can get lost learning all the trivia
I love how luvdisc was just omitted, good on you
Very interestig thank you ☺️☺️☺️
Please continue this with all the other types!
What an amazing video
I'm not a huge fan of Gen 1 but I do want to point out that the artists were looking to specific, real-world plant and mushroom species for most of the Gen 1 Grass type designs. Parasect is a cordyceps fungus, Exeggutor is a palm tree, Vileplume and Venusaur are rafflesias, and Victreebel is a pitcher plant.
Venusaur’s flower more closely resembles an Amaryllis rather than a Rafflesia due to the bulb it grows out of which I always thought was some sort of tree trunk as a kid 😂
@@QueenFrancine Ooooh that makes more sense!
Well, actually, octillery and sharpedo had secondary ciloncepts well before gen 4, being a tank and a torpedo respectively.
It was cool to see all of the pokemon set apart in this way, to help really see the evolution of the designs. While I do have some faves from the recent gens, I still really love the simpler, less convoluted designs of the earlier gens.
Fave Gens of each type:
Grass - Gen 1. I had a hard time playing the original games, because I could never choose a grass type. I wanted too many of them! Venusaur is one of my favourite starters of all time, but by choosing it, I needed to forgo the others, which was hard. This struggle continues on in future Gens, but Gen 1 is the hardest for me. Exeggutor is the only one I'm indifferent on. If they all had better stats, I'd still use them in future games as well. [Runner Up: Gen 7.]
Fire - Gen 1. This type really got the short end of the stick in every Gen, having so few to choose from, and unfortunately, so few that I actually like. Gen 1, however, has Rapidash, Arcanine, Ninetales, Flareon and Moltres, all among some of my favourite Fire types of all time. And while, I'm not actually a huge fan of Charizard, I can't ignore the fact that he's considered a legend among many, lol. [Runner Up: Gen 3.]
Water - Gen 2. I was surprised at how many Water types I loved in this video, considering I rarely have them on my teams. Perhaps that the poor timing in most games of when you can actually find them. But Gen 2 has SO MANY of the faves in Slowking, Azurill, Politoed, Kingra, Mantine and Suicune, among others that I still like. The designs are simple, but with a bit more detail and creativity than Gen 1, and some more vibrant colours to catch the eye. [Runner up: Gen 1]
I just found your channel today, and I have to say you have great opinions lol! Your videos are all well thought out and have good reasoning behind them! Your videos feel a lot less fan-fictiony than other poketubers
Thank you so much! More fun content on the way 😁
No Breloom 😢...?
Can’t believe I forgot my mushroom boy :(
Exeggcute > Exeggutor is one of my favourite design evolutions.
It's so strange, yet seemingly makes sense.
I feel like all should stone evolutions should be like this, though they are not.
Not only that, Cinderaces color palette would have made it a normal type in gen 1 instead of a fire type (Especially obvious on Scorbunny).
This was so interesting to listen to. I hope you do this for the other types as well.
Thank you!
Man gen 7 was so sick i never gave it enough love
Breloom… 9:02
Very interesting video, even if the background music volume was a bit loud and distracting in some parts for me! I just discovered your channel and subscribed, I really am looking forward to discovering your fakemon region!
Thank you! The fakemon region will be well worth the wait
executor is a palm tree, Victreebel a pitcher plant, paras is inspired by parasitic fungi like cordyceps, Vileplume is a stinking corpse lily. only Bulbasaur and Tangela don't have clear inspirations.
Exactly
Well if you go to a rainorest and see the vines tangled through the dead wood you will see a real Tangela.
I'm surprised you didn't note the introduction of objectmon among these typings, starting with Sharpedo and debatably Castform. I think it's also interesting how the ratio of mons that stand upright has steadily increased with a major jump starting in Gen 5.
Vileplume is based on a rafflesia , which is a parasitic flower
But the poison part of that isnt expressed visually, unlike some other poison pokemon like seviper with its fangs and toxicroaks spikes
This video eats I shared it with all my friends
You dropped this 👑
I think you overlook with Gen 1 grass types the specificity of Vileplume is its a Rafflesia Arnoldii, aka Giant Padma, aka Corpse Flower. Like other flowers of its common name it smells like dead bodies or rotting flesh. That’s where the name Vileplume comes from too
I don't have anything to say about the video except that that is NOT how big Kartana is. Kartana is small.
I always thought roselias little leaf was supposed to be a dress or a tunic
I can definitely see it! It can look like a fancy skirt or something given that it evolves into a masquerade dancer in Roserade
I keep forgetting that Solrock and Groudon aren’t actually fire types. Gen 3 had a way of giving pokemon such varied move pools that it was hard to tell that they weren’t that type when they used flamethrower or fire blast lol
you left Breloom out of the gen 3 grass fellas how could you im sobbing :c
Isn't vileplume pretty one-to-one with a real-life rafflesia? You've probably got a point with the rest of the gen 1 grass types, though. Also, in gen 3, even roselia kind of has flowers which evoke roses and a leaf which sort of resembles some sort of garment/accessory. Though certainly not to the extent that some of the later-gen grass types' plant features do.
Great video, love these sort of in-depth analyses! I've been thinking of how, while some kind of find the gimmicks a turn-off, it can kind of be seen as inevitable that as time went on, sticking to just making them animal plus type would begin to wear thin after a while, so incorporating human cultural concepts into the designs can be seen as a way to keep them innovative, if not necessarily familiar to those who grew up with earlier gens.
Little nitpick but Rottom doesn't change type in gen 4, only in gen 5. I don't remember if it was because of coding error or lack of time, I think you can still count them because the typing is here for the attack. Very cool video, loved it !
I always forget about that!
5:29 - I present to you Sunflora, the vaguely sunflower-esque Pokémon. Lol
Overall, great video, I enjoyed hearing your observations.
Please note that Vileplume is very clearly a Rafflesia.
Even if you're not in the video, Breloom, I'll always love you
Grass: Meowscarada, because it's a cool design with personality.
Fire: Blaziken, because it is just so cool and the only one that could beat the franchise mascot, Charizard.
Water: So, there is a close tie between Greninja and Inteleon but I'd go with Inteleon because Greninja got too much script advantage with Ash.
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However, the Electric type is my favourite and I believe it should hit the Steel type supereffectively because metals conduct electricity, similarly to water.
I usually don't like fakemons because they feel fake but that professor design at 1:24 is damn close, could definitely see that as a design.
He’s gonna be a GREAT character in my fakemon region series!
8:25 TrueGreen7: wait something feels wrong
I'm a huge gen 3 fan, but that's sheer bias because the gen 3 anime was my first exposure to the series. I have to say that this video really cemented gen 8 in my head as excellent, though.
Gen8 is VERY strong in terms of design!
The original Pokemon designs for gen 1 and 2 were so good. Simple yet distinct and very creative. Now, there's too many dots, lines, and stripes to try and come up with something that "seems" creative. (Ie: Lunala and Solgaleo) Designs are too complex, with not enough creativity put in. Throughout all of Pokemon however, there are always gems!
I wonder how design philosophy changed for the other 15 types. Can you do a video on the others too?
What's a secondary theam of Bibarel? It's just a cartoon animal
Forgot breloom my guy but good video
there are individual pokemon from the newer gens that i really enjoy, but overall i muuuuuuch prefer the older aesthetic sense. i miss how natural and animalistic things were, the emphasis on fur and feather textures, and the more defined anatomy. even the more fantastical monster-types like nidoking and lapras still felt alive and plausible
we still get stuff like that now and then, with things like Braviary, Sawsbuck, Haxorus, and the quadrupedal Lycanrocs (some of my favorite pokemon in the entire franchie), but it's rarer with every generation as the cartoonish goofballs dominate more and more of the new dexes. even the ones that do lean that way will often have some kind of joke or human element spliced in
Vileplume is literally a ralphesia its very much a specific plant lmao
You forgot to put Breloom for generation III
when you got to the gen 9 music i thought i was watching pokeaim
Tq.
It's interesting knowing Pokemon definitely has a bible of do and don't when designing pokemon and that the Ultra Beasts are supposed to break that convention.
Per the question posed;
Grass- Gen 3
Fire- Gen 2
Water- Gen 7
This is a great take 😎
Where Breloom
Every gen 1 plant type is based on a very specific plant (or shroom), did you say the opposite ?
WHAT HAPPENED TO BRELOOM
I forgot he existed 😭
@@TamValleyProductions All the Brelooms in the world weep in despair
magby shouldve been there for gen 2
It sucks for anyone watching this video who doesn't have all pokemon names memorized.
Hearing “Skeptile” is so strange lol “Ce” in its spelling makes an S sound, where do you hear a K?