My 92 year old dad bought this 'Speedmaster' some time in the 60's and still wears it every day. It got serviced a few times but runs just fine. I was a teenager back then and could not believe that my dad would spend 2500 Deutschmark on a wristwatch. I think now he did well.
@@geert7128 Probably doesn't need to be said, but please don't do this. I'd rather take out a loan for the funeral than sell the watch that my father clearly cared enough about to not only keep for decades of his life, but also passed down to me.
This is possibly the most iconic watch in history of mankind. It brings in one everything we are all about. Starting from the human ability to measure and understand time, through the perfection of design, art, engineering and manufacturing, all the way to the crown jewel of science and human achievements - the first human to step on the celestial body other than Earth - the Moon. There are thousands of watches and watchmakers, but Omega Speedmaster Professional is one and only!
@@cristianfr8447 sapphire crystal is cheap ; even a 200 $ watch can have it. The movement and the dial are the most important ; that tells you allot about the quality of the watch ; not a cheap sapphire crystal .
I am 56 now, got my speedy for my 21st Birthday just the same as my Brothers. Been at sea since 16 and I still am. It's been serviced only only 4 times in those 35 yrs its been my constant companion from Antarctica to the Arctic and most points between. I just buff any marks out of the brushed parts with a scotchbrite and polish the crystal with a bit of toothpaste to take the marks out now and again. I know I am a philistine but the watch still looks great, its loved and Beautiful..... It still keep great time !
Brilliant, im surprised u didn’t go for a seamaster being at sea. Im thinking of getting one to wear gor the rest of my life. Im glad the water resistance isnt a problem
As an icon it gets recognition and respect, without ever being flashy or show off. You can wear it anytime/anywhere and it is always seen as a men's jewelry, tool or perfect accessory. It is not a cheap watch, yet considered still one of the "affordable" ones in today's market. It is worn by people that had to save money for a long time to buy their dream and guys that toss out 50k for other watches. That makes it a special watch.
This is the perfect comment and observation . That's why I immediately got the 3861 after they shortened the lugs ! Finally the speedmaster professional can fit my wrist! 🙂
I bought the same model from a co-worker for 3000.00. He had it for two years. Ditched the metal bracelet and put a 350.00 Omega leather rally strap on it. So Choice! I would luv to get the new sapphire sandwich tho.
@@davyhoogy Congrats, man! I’ve been considering picking up a croc strap for it, as well. I might just have to pull the trigger. As much as a strap monster as the Speedy is, though, I just have a tough time wanting to take the bracelet off
@@PhinallyWC08 theyre surprisingly cheap although, if you did, you would need to buy the clasp too if you only have the bracelet! I think the strap is £300 and the clasp around £300 also
This was the watch I always wanted from when I was around 18, more years ago than I care to remember. I was never in a position to buy one. Then a few months ago I bought myself the brand new 2021 sapphire sandwich. I love it. More importantly, its my watch, and has only ever been mine, so when I ultimately pass it onto my son (hopefully in a fair few years!) he'll appreciate it, all the more.
I really respect Omega's decision to keep the design of new one as close as they can to the original one. They could have easily overdone it but they didn't.
@@XFHU yeah they didn’t know either in my local AD lol but I manually inspected it and saw it and pulled the trigger, it was the only missing thing for me to buy it. Cheers.
As a gen Speedmaster owner, I often look at other chrono watches like Tag, Rolex, IWC. And every time again, after a few minutes I look at my Speedy and just go 'nah' over the others. Nothing compares.
I purchased my 3861 saphire on 11/11, Veterans day, a gift to myself. I put it on a strap and wear it 24/7, to sleep, to work out, in the shower for a quick rinse. I'll be swimming with it next week. I contacted OMEGA HQ (not my AD retailer) and asked about swimming and the warranty... no worries. Don't believe me then call them yourself. I'm glad the bezel is aluminum rather than shiny ceramic, should be interesting watching the paint fade from sunlight over the next 40 years. I'm getting +1 second/week. I can live with that :-)
I first saw the moonwatch in Singapore airport in 2015. I talked to the salesman about the different versions and it stuck in my mind ever since. I finally bought my speedy pro sapphire sandwich in 2020 and I love it.
A really good channel where you can feel the passion of the makers for watches. I enjoy the history and background information about watches very much. A big thank you to the team.
Best Unintentional ASMR ever. I come to your channel not only to see the amazing combination of art and mechanics. But also to listen your soothing voice while you explain the art and the mechanics. 😊
Just got mine this week from a special event. General Tom Stafford was present, answered questions and told stories and then signed boxes. Honored to have a box signed by the General.
Seeing this makes me love my 1968 speedmaster even more. My dad bought it on December 26th, 1968. I know because I have the box and receipt! He paid $175 at a jewelry store in Sayerville, NJ. When my dad passed away in 2000, I became the keeper of this amazing watch. I still wear it on a regular basis. The 321 movement runs flawlessly.
@@alextee7853 I had it serviced once in 2001. I don't think my dad ever serviced it between 1969-2000. I have taken it to an Omega store a few times in the past 10 years and a quick test showed the amplitude was well within spec. I may get one more service on it in the future.
@@craigbehnke1986 Thanks for the response. Wow that's amazing! Makes me more comfortable and leaning towards getting a speedmaster. Now just debating between Hesalite and Sapphire haha
It doesn't make sense in buying a pre-owned speedmaster at this point. Everything I have found is from 20+ years ago and is selling for the mid 4,000 price range with no box/papers and scratched, etc. Better to just get a new one I feel like. Especially if buying the new hesalite version with a small discount negotiated through an AD.
There are still beautiful 861’s out there with tritium dial in mint condition box and papers. I got my 3590.50 for 3.300 eur three yrs ago now it worth around 5k still I think it is a much better deal to get one instead of the new. Same looking bracelet and the yelloe markers are just awsome.
@@gyulapanszky7805 I think the fact that you said your 3590.50 is worth 5,000 kind of solidifies my point of used pieces skyrocketing in price recently which makes purchasing a new one much more appealing.....just my opinion of course.
Yup ... this is my Grail watch for sure. Love the design, love the history and love the versatility b/c it can be worn casual/everyday and formal wear. Thanks for sharing.
3861 has been on my wrist for the past 3 months - incredibly comfortable watch to wear. An amazing piece of history on your wrist as well, I literally have no complaints!
I am happy I bought my Speedy for just under 3k€ in 2014. Not grey or used - new at an Omega AD. As great as these improvements may be… it has gotten very expensive.
My 2005 moon watch has never been serviced, polished or restored, and keeping accurate time! I don’t baby it at all, it has dings, and scratches all over and I love it!
DISCLAIMER: I purchased my 1st Moon watch today. I compared the 1863 (1861 with the display bits) and the new 3861. It was not an easy decision to make at all. I think I was irritating the AD for quite some time before the pro's and cons for each version were compared and carefully contrasted and ultimately resulted in a draw even with the thousand pound price differential. I was pondering the 1861 and getting the new bracelet as that was the biggest stand out feature with the improved taper. More thoughts popped into my head including the 1861 big box of toys, extra straps, strap tool (I'm unlikely to take off the bracelet) and a medallion if I recall correctly. Unfortunately this box excluded the moon probably due to cost savings somewhere along the line. Ultimately the box with extras would end up in the loft unlikely to be looked at again unless I move house. I ended up with the new 3861 by a whisker, the bracelet is brilliant and is unlikely to be swapped out for something else. I also checked for any 'hot spots' on the case or bracelet and didn't fine any difference on the wrist as some have found circulating within the Madmos interweb. Yes I would have liked the column wheel but the tactile feeling of this cam version feels very close to it. I was just a tad concerned about grafting the coaxial escapement to the 1861 but considering Omega already successfully did this with the Valjoux 7753 on chronograph automatics for a very long time with the 3330 movement if I recall back in the day hopefully I need not worry. I'm very pleased with my purchase. I'm actually over the moon with it.
@@Damage_Inc But don't the tools help you adjust the size of the bracelet by removing/adding links? Otherwise you have to take it somewhere to do that.
@@jackwilson5542 No, there's only bracelet removal tool provided and You need a very good properly sized screwdriver to remove the individual links. Besides, this procedure involves heating of the bracelet to loosen Loctite stuff, preventing link screws from undoing themselves - if You're not into modelling or fine mechanics - this procedure is not for the faint-hearted, especially if the watch is new. I was a bit scared to do it myself, but all went OK. I was much more self-confident when I did this later to my Seamaster :) Proper screwdriver, whose blade fully fills the screw slot + propane burner to heat the link locally, gloves and Loctite for fine mechanics for screw it back. Or even better, take it to reliable watch service. But they should know this loctite trick, otherwise it might go sideways.
@@MrSysadmin1975 I sized my new 3861 Speedy bracelet myself. I do have a proper set of watchmakers screwdrivers, and all it took to loosen the screws was to run the bracelet under very hot water for a couple of minutes. Just remember, slow and steady wins the race!
A watch that will transcend time. A watch a father can pass down for generations. Got mine 3 days ago and this will be a keeper for my life time and perhaps my son or daughter.
I bought my Speedmaster in Germany in the spring of 1967, well before the moon landing. With the 321 movement and straight non-beveled lugs, it remind me of better days.
I bought the out going model (1861) 2 months ago. An absolute dream. Over the new one I prefer the more authentic movement which ties closer to the history, prefer the dial not looking so grainy (once seen I can spot the new model a mile away) and prefer the font placement on the dail. It not costing an extra £1000 was a bonus.
I've been hoping you'd review the new Moonwatch. It's my first high-end watch purchase. I love it. It's better than I expected. Just perfect. I wear it every day and wonder if there is another watch with the history and cachet (that I can afford) that could ever take its place on my wrist. BTW, I absolutely love your channel.
If I may add, only Omega still ships both the old and new generations of such an iconic brand at the same time, any other brand (you know who😉) get ready for crazy grey and used market premiums!!
@@neilbraun11 I meant it would be easy for them to sell just the new (and more expensive) version of the speedmaster. Which would then drive up prices of the older version in grey and used market (as they have now become collectibles, limited supply and all). This happens regularly with Rolex watches, the grey market premiums on even their existing watches go through the roof once “rumours” of an existing model being discontinued hit the market (think hulk, explorer 39, explorer 2 all in the last 2 years). Yet Omega always keeps their watches attainable and there’s almost no secrecy about their supply situation. Here too, they are selling this extremely iconic watch in both it’s iterations and will phase out the model slowly. They do the same with every family of watches. As an enthusiast and a follower of watches, they have my respect for that. It may make them less alluring to some people, but I’m not one of them. Sorry for the long reply. Didn’t want to be misunderstood 🙂
@@fahadkhan-db6bh yeah, I agree. I prefer it this way as well. Telling me I can't have something because I dont irresponsibly throw money around just makes me shake my head and walk away. I couldn't imagine doing this to my customers. People say...well, you dont understand the luxury market. Yeah, no I get it. Its just a game for show offs who buy watches for different reasons. This new idea that they are investments is just a joke. The inflationary prices of Rolex and some higher end brands will be adjusted as quickly as they went up as soon as these "investors" see the market crash and need capital to stay afloat
@@neilbraun11 😄 walking away, yes I have done that recently with a brand that was surprisingly not Rolex this time. Brother, the only people who make money in this nonsensical situation are the dealers (non AD) and internet influencers. Rest of us just keep fuelling this nonsense. I have to say I like your attitude towards this👍
@@MT-kx2uc I promise you this all planned. Rolex has wanted to move up market for years. Tudor will replace Rolexes previous position. If you can't see that you either haven't been collecting long enough or you're not paying attention
I got a new 1861 hessalite in 2017 with a 20% discount for £2933 so as mentioned in the video “an absolute steal!” The new model has some nice upgrades but another way to look at it is it’s a little further from the 60’s original too. I love my speedy and it always gets regular wrist time.
When the 3861 came out every discontinued 1861 and 861 received a minimum of 30% value increase and I myself owner of a 2014 1861 (last model with small red box) this put a big smile on my face
Just tried the sapphire and hesalite. the size is realllly nice. Nothing gigantic like the seasmaster. Oh and the stainless bracelet is 19.5 mm 😍 This piece really feels nice and perfect. Question of the century remains…sapphire for survival of daily use or hesalite for originality?
I have one I bought in Japan.It was a display watch.Cost around 2.5k back in 2014. A great discount!This narrator is the best that I have heard on RUclips. Does the watch justice!
I've had my eye on this watch for a very long time. I don't believe that I can pass on the opportunity this time. Thank-you for your informative video.
The comment about 'Fire' hilarious. I have the FOiS, I enjoy explaining the reason why my watch face doesn't have the word 'Professional.' My education emphasized return to the source and every glance I look at the time I am marveled by this history.
After fake and real comparisons video This Omega Speedmaster professional moon watch became my dream watch even tho I still effortless because it is so expensive to me but I gonna own it on my wrist someday
Just picked up one with 10% discount! This thing is like jewelry now with amazing finish and all. I don't understand why the internet is complaining about the 'sharp' edges. It's called precision and most people just have to think straight on why the have that finish.
The Rolex Daytona back story described as pulp fiction is apropos on a few levels. They do command the exponentially higher price for different reasons, much like how the movie "Pulp Fiction" entertained us and commanded over $200 million worldwide, whilst the documentary "Apollo 11," even with all of its original footage and international film accolades, only saw around $20 million worldwide. The Daytona is the "Indie" blockbuster, and the Speedmaster is the critically acclaimed documentary. Personally, I really like a good documentary.
Correction: the bracelet on the 3861 is reminiscent of the Ref. 145.022-69 '1969 Apollo XI' Yellow Gold LE, and NOT the original Speedy Pro bracelet, which was a flat link.
Just got one with saphire.. im impressed how 42mm watch can embrace my tiny wrist like glove. Bracelet is comfy like hell.. it probably more comfy than rolex jubilee. Easily can be one and only watch for some people.. and for me, the only chronograph watch that can fight toe to toe with speedy is Zenith a386
@@danielharyanto6713 mine just stopped on the 4th year..then after the 5th year the chrono pushers would jam. Even after being fully serviced 😦 I just stopped using the chrono after that. Still love the watch. I always get emotional attachments to my watches. I never intend to sell them that's why I am not concerned about telling ppl about the issues with watches I have. Because I intend to keep them don't care about the resale values. Maybe the a384 won't jam as much as it's a simpler Chrono. Mine's got triple calendar+ moonphase. So maybe it's a bit more complicated...
"My only complaint; you can't get the Hesalite front with the sapphire back" I hear you, but I feel if you are going for the Hesalite version, you do so because you want something to closely represent the original watch.
Love the Singer reference. Fantastic cars. The very best version of the 911 imo. Fortunate enough to drive one of the earlier ones and... it keeps me up at night
Bought an 1863 model sapphire sandwich steel bracelet model for $1000 discount last June from an AD, so the gap to full price which all the AD’s charge now on this new one is pretty giant for fairly modest improvements.
Great watch, and I love it. Though people should be aware that the 3861 movement has teething problems. The chronograph function on my 4 months old hesalite has started acting up (stops at 58 seconds, which also stops the running second and the watch altogether). Did a bit of research and it's not an uncommon ocurrence for people who use the chrono function frequently. Dropped it yesterday at the Omega shop, who told me I should have it back in a couple of weeks. Fingers crossed that they fix the issue permanently.
@@liquidtunes Omega fixed the issue at no charge, since the watch was under warranty. It took them about 1 month. The great thing is they gave me an access code to their service system, where I could see the status of the repair work. Their service was faultless.
@@liquidtunes I am predominantly a Rolex guy for the past 20 years, but I have to say that my experience with Omega is far superior than with Rolex lately. Firstly, you can actually buy most watches from Omega's dealership, and (at least in HK), they are incredibly nice and commercially minded (as opposed to the smugness / contempt you get in most Rolex dealerships). And the service was very quick, as opposed to the months of backlog one would experience if servicing a watch at the Rolex SC.
@@johnnyguitar6697 Great to hear your comparative experiences. I don't appreciate having to play AD games and wait months for a service if I'm spending that much money, let alone at any price bracket. I had one off putting experience at an Omega boutique here in Dubai where the staff could have been hired from Rolex (hah) and a different more positive one at another boutique where even though the chap was new, was pleasantly forthcoming and helpful. Been mulling my first big boy watch so hearing about people's experiences helps. Thank you!
I tried the last one on and the bracelet was just too bulky for me. This came out and it solved all my issues, while also looking way better imo. But I just can't justify that kind of money for a speedy, it's gone into another price bracket now for a lot of people. Such a shame...
Check out the 3590.50 from the early 90s or a late 80s 145.022. Those commonly came on the 1479 bracelet, which is basically identical to this new one but vintage and with a clasp that has 6 micro adjustment points. Something that the new one, bizarrely, lacks. You can get one with some lovely tritium patina at a very reasonable price.
@@liquidtunes Not so different of a service interval vs a modern Speedmaster! Figure about 7 years but many people stretch far beyond that. The 861 movement is super robust and was basically unchanged from the late 60s onward. Even the 1861 update in the mid 1990s was minimal. so you can find lots of expert independent shops that will do a killer job vs sending it to Omega who will replace original parts like the hands with non matching modern ones
sine you mentioned a bunch of other Brands@7:35 . i'd take the MoonWatch over all other Brands (including Daytona) in a heartbeat. great review. thank you.
I do prefer the 1861 hesalite. That flatter grey dial really makes the bright white hands pop.. Also love the more busy mili seconds track... and mine is on straps anyway, so I don't see the new bracelet as a factor.... and the movement was used in space for years.... The price is great too. It's still a relative bargain... yes the new one has great features too....(let's not mention sharp edges!)...but the 1861 is the one for me
Bought the sapphire sandwich last week. It everything I thought it would be. An amazing watch suitable for any occasion. Don’t think I need another watch!
Why do these companies believe only their divers deserve quick adjust clasps. Would be nice to see the seamaster clasp tech hiding underneath that new clasp
I have the sapphire sandwich. I also got a 14cm 🐔 wrist, and couldn’t sport the previous model as it was to bulky for me. This one is a pleasure to own, wind , operate an wear.
I am one of the 40%. You have excellent content. All well narrated and filming is magnificent. Keep up the good work. 😊 My father has the original 1960s Speedmaster. It is in very bad shape with original strap long gone. I would love to get it restored. My father says when he got it serviced years ago, the jeweller swapped movement for a fake inferior movement, but he is not really sure. Yet as it is, it keeps excellent time and stopwatch works perfectly.
I think it would nice to own both as a set. I bought the 2018 model hesalite 1861 in manual wind, and now I’ll be buying the 3861 automatic sapphire sandwich.
I bought the 3861 sapphire. The back edges are super sharp when taking it on and off, also the lume starts off great but fades very quickly IMHO. But I love the watch and wear it daily. It's my only special watch and I have no regrets at all.
Really nice watch. Good looking, you have to manually wind it all the time, that might not be a +. But its look is Second only to a Daytona and at 1/2 the retail price and a 1/4 of the market price. And the are always available.
I’m waiting for the new clasp with a micro adjustment on to come out and then I’m going to pull the trigger. This update is excellent. I’ve tried it on a few times now and it’s been improved everywhere especially the fit. It feels like a 40mm watch now and the quality is definitely up another notch. You don’t really need a micro adjustment as the bracelet is so comfortable but apparently theirs one coming so I will wait and see.
When I 'down sized' my watch collection I really regret selling my moon watch, as soon as I sold it I knew I had made a mistake. However now being in a position to look for another moon watch I can take some time as have a look around at what's on the market. Does anybody have any advice on which is the same desirable version on the moon watch? I understand they are all desirable.......but I am being drawn towards the earlier versions.......say 10-15 years ago rather than the modern versions. Any thoughts and comments.
@@SvenSan great tip, I appreciate it. Haven't tried the reduced yet, but from seeing it online it doesn't speak to me as much as the original. The speedmaster fois also looks very nice.
I felt the same way having a smaller wrist, I got the FOIS and really happy with the decision. I feel it speaks to me even more with the different set of polished hour, minute and second hands
I will always love the moonwatch they don't have to change it a bit. That has to light version is my favorite even though I love that see-through case back I still love to have slight version the most
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My Speedmaster my mom bought for me in Zurich the day after the moon landing is still keeping perfect time. At 67 I wish I could say the same.
Funny
At 64 the Fisher Space pen my Mom bought me after the supposed moon landing is still writing.
I need two new hips.
@@Yorkshiremadmick the fact that people still believe moonlanding is fake🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Lol moon landing skeptics. Idiots 🤦🏻♂️
@@vincentsantucci2478 takes one to find one.
My 92 year old dad bought this 'Speedmaster' some time in the 60's and still wears it every day. It got serviced a few times but runs just fine. I was a teenager back then and could not believe that my dad would spend 2500 Deutschmark on a wristwatch. I think now he did well.
I'll give you 3000 DMs for it 🤣
Brilliant. My dad is 92 as well and still rocks his Rolex Sub ✌️🙏
Imagine.. if he one day dies.. you can pay the funeral with it and probably still have money left to buy your self a brand New one.
How much was it back in his day?
@@geert7128 Probably doesn't need to be said, but please don't do this. I'd rather take out a loan for the funeral than sell the watch that my father clearly cared enough about to not only keep for decades of his life, but also passed down to me.
This is possibly the most iconic watch in history of mankind. It brings in one everything we are all about. Starting from the human ability to measure and understand time, through the perfection of design, art, engineering and manufacturing, all the way to the crown jewel of science and human achievements - the first human to step on the celestial body other than Earth - the Moon. There are thousands of watches and watchmakers, but Omega Speedmaster Professional is one and only!
Best comment ever
Moonwatch has every box ticked -the history, the design, the movement, the simplicity. Thats why we all love it
Value for money? Plexiglass for thousands of dollars? :(
@@cristianfr8447 You bet he don't even own Seiko!
@@cristianfr8447 sapphire crystal is cheap ; even a 200 $ watch can have it. The movement and the dial are the most important ; that tells you allot about the quality of the watch ; not a cheap sapphire crystal .
@@cristianfr8447 Don't you know why they used it? smh
@@cristianfr8447 Funny that you think a saphire crystal is what makes a watch expensive 😄
Never owned a good watch, huh?
I am 56 now, got my speedy for my 21st Birthday just the same as my Brothers. Been at sea since 16 and I still am. It's been serviced only only 4 times in those 35 yrs its been my constant companion from Antarctica to the Arctic and most points between. I just buff any marks out of the brushed parts with a scotchbrite and polish the crystal with a bit of toothpaste to take the marks out now and again. I know I am a philistine but the watch still looks great, its loved and Beautiful..... It still keep great time !
Awesome! I am just beginning my journey…just purchased the new version in this video, hoping it takes me as far as yours.
Brilliant, im surprised u didn’t go for a seamaster being at sea. Im thinking of getting one to wear gor the rest of my life. Im glad the water resistance isnt a problem
As an icon it gets recognition and respect, without ever being flashy or show off. You can wear it anytime/anywhere and it is always seen as a men's jewelry, tool or perfect accessory. It is not a cheap watch, yet considered still one of the "affordable" ones in today's market. It is worn by people that had to save money for a long time to buy their dream and guys that toss out 50k for other watches. That makes it a special watch.
This is the perfect comment and observation . That's why I immediately got the 3861 after they shortened the lugs ! Finally the speedmaster professional can fit my wrist! 🙂
I bought the 1861 model back in 2019, and I absolutely adore it. Thankful that I got it when I did, and I couldn't be any happier with it.
I bought the same model from a co-worker for 3000.00. He had it for two years. Ditched the metal bracelet and put a 350.00 Omega leather rally strap on it. So Choice! I would luv to get the new sapphire sandwich tho.
Got mine with 2 steel bracelets, oem and genuine omega vintage reedition strap in 2019 for 3000 usd total, love it
Same, got mine in 2018 for my wedding with the black croc strap. Ordered a brown croc strap too at the weekend.
@@davyhoogy Congrats, man! I’ve been considering picking up a croc strap for it, as well. I might just have to pull the trigger. As much as a strap monster as the Speedy is, though, I just have a tough time wanting to take the bracelet off
@@PhinallyWC08 theyre surprisingly cheap although, if you did, you would need to buy the clasp too if you only have the bracelet! I think the strap is £300 and the clasp around £300 also
This was the watch I always wanted from when I was around 18, more years ago than I care to remember. I was never in a position to buy one. Then a few months ago I bought myself the brand new 2021 sapphire sandwich. I love it. More importantly, its my watch, and has only ever been mine, so when I ultimately pass it onto my son (hopefully in a fair few years!) he'll appreciate it, all the more.
Sandwich! Love it.
“Rolex, don’t make me laugh”, classic. 😂
Good one! 👍😂
Loved it.
I don’t get the Rolex hype. The Yatch master is one of their finest in my view and is totally unloved 🤷♂️
@@salmana4239 The Migauss is the only Rolex I want and also seems a bit of a black sheep like the Yachtmaster.
Nice!
I really respect Omega's decision to keep the design of new one as close as they can to the original one. They could have easily overdone it but they didn't.
Can't mess too much with the cash cow but I agree. They did a superb job. Updated, but kept it like the old ones, more or less. It's very well done.
I hoped that they would put micro regulation on the clasp and the ceramic bezel on the sapphire version...
@@XFHUnow it has micro adjustment on the fly. The bezel is still in aluminum though. Cheers.
@@Rodolfoguerra12 yeah I saw it on fratello watches, unfortunately on my local AD they don’t even have a clue about it 🤦🏻
@@XFHU yeah they didn’t know either in my local AD lol but I manually inspected it and saw it and pulled the trigger, it was the only missing thing for me to buy it. Cheers.
As a gen Speedmaster owner, I often look at other chrono watches like Tag, Rolex, IWC. And every time again, after a few minutes I look at my Speedy and just go 'nah' over the others. Nothing compares.
I purchased my 3861 saphire on 11/11, Veterans day, a gift to myself. I put it on a strap and wear it 24/7, to sleep, to work out, in the shower for a quick rinse.
I'll be swimming with it next week. I contacted OMEGA HQ (not my AD retailer) and asked about swimming and the warranty... no worries.
Don't believe me then call them yourself.
I'm glad the bezel is aluminum rather than shiny ceramic, should be interesting watching the paint fade from sunlight over the next 40 years.
I'm getting +1 second/week. I can live with that :-)
I first saw the moonwatch in Singapore airport in 2015. I talked to the salesman about the different versions and it stuck in my mind ever since. I finally bought my speedy pro sapphire sandwich in 2020 and I love it.
A really good channel where you can feel the passion of the makers for watches. I enjoy the history and background information about watches very much. A big thank you to the team.
Indeed, and ditto 👍
Very well written
Quote of the day "A watch every enthusiastic should own!" - well said Mr. Man-with-no-face.
"The only thing that can come close to this Moonwatch is the Old Moonwatch."
And the old Moonwatch is dc’d 😎
Just on point
and the Bulova Moonwatch :)
@@dtownmoto you can only buy the Bulova quartz homage version
Best Unintentional ASMR ever.
I come to your channel not only to see the amazing combination of art and mechanics. But also to listen your soothing voice while you explain the art and the mechanics. 😊
Loved the Singer Porsche reference 😊😊
(He just talked about 911s again, this keeps getting better and better)
Just got mine this week from a special event. General Tom Stafford was present, answered questions and told stories and then signed boxes. Honored to have a box signed by the General.
Bought it 3 days ago. It Is a materpiece! and have to say that new braclet is super comfortable.
I purchased one last week and I can’t stop looking at it…. I want the Pelagios fxd next but I can’t find it.
I got the hesalite version back in March and its fantastic, its the crown jewel of my collection.
As a Tailor the "Singer " references applied to me twice! Still a great looking time piece.
Between the Speedmaster and the Carrera line-ups I find these watches to be my favorites overall.
Seeing this makes me love my 1968 speedmaster even more. My dad bought it on December 26th, 1968. I know because I have the box and receipt! He paid $175 at a jewelry store in Sayerville, NJ. When my dad passed away in 2000, I became the keeper of this amazing watch. I still wear it on a regular basis. The 321 movement runs flawlessly.
wow 1000 bucks for an omega full set is a take
That's crazy ! How often / how many times have you gotten it serviced?
@@alextee7853 I had it serviced once in 2001. I don't think my dad ever serviced it between 1969-2000. I have taken it to an Omega store a few times in the past 10 years and a quick test showed the amplitude was well within spec. I may get one more service on it in the future.
@@craigbehnke1986 Thanks for the response. Wow that's amazing! Makes me more comfortable and leaning towards getting a speedmaster. Now just debating between Hesalite and Sapphire haha
It doesn't make sense in buying a pre-owned speedmaster at this point. Everything I have found is from 20+ years ago and is selling for the mid 4,000 price range with no box/papers and scratched, etc. Better to just get a new one I feel like. Especially if buying the new hesalite version with a small discount negotiated through an AD.
Should see some used ones for the new version in 2022.
@@j5daniel182 based on the current market, I would imagine at nearly new prices, but time will tell I suppose
There are still beautiful 861’s out there with tritium dial in mint condition box and papers. I got my 3590.50 for 3.300 eur three yrs ago now it worth around 5k still I think it is a much better deal to get one instead of the new. Same looking bracelet and the yelloe markers are just awsome.
@@gyulapanszky7805 I think the fact that you said your 3590.50 is worth 5,000 kind of solidifies my point of used pieces skyrocketing in price recently which makes purchasing a new one much more appealing.....just my opinion of course.
@@Pianoman1488 yep, tough decision...
Yup ... this is my Grail watch for sure.
Love the design, love the history and love the versatility b/c it can be worn casual/everyday and formal wear.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m seriously missing a video about the Speedmaster 321…
That would be really awesome 🤩
3861 has been on my wrist for the past 3 months - incredibly comfortable watch to wear. An amazing piece of history on your wrist as well, I literally have no complaints!
I am happy I bought my Speedy for just under 3k€ in 2014. Not grey or used - new at an Omega AD.
As great as these improvements may be… it has gotten very expensive.
My 2005 moon watch has never been serviced, polished or restored, and keeping accurate time! I don’t baby it at all, it has dings, and scratches all over and I love it!
DISCLAIMER: I purchased my 1st Moon watch today. I compared the 1863 (1861 with the display bits) and the new 3861. It was not an easy decision to make at all. I think I was irritating the AD for quite some time before the pro's and cons for each version were compared and carefully contrasted and ultimately resulted in a draw even with the thousand pound price differential. I was pondering the 1861 and getting the new bracelet as that was the biggest stand out feature with the improved taper. More thoughts popped into my head including the 1861 big box of toys, extra straps, strap tool (I'm unlikely to take off the bracelet) and a medallion if I recall correctly. Unfortunately this box excluded the moon probably due to cost savings somewhere along the line. Ultimately the box with extras would end up in the loft unlikely to be looked at again unless I move house. I ended up with the new 3861 by a whisker, the bracelet is brilliant and is unlikely to be swapped out for something else. I also checked for any 'hot spots' on the case or bracelet and didn't fine any difference on the wrist as some have found circulating within the Madmos interweb. Yes I would have liked the column wheel but the tactile feeling of this cam version feels very close to it. I was just a tad concerned about grafting the coaxial escapement to the 1861 but considering Omega already successfully did this with the Valjoux 7753 on chronograph automatics for a very long time with the 3330 movement if I recall back in the day hopefully I need not worry. I'm very pleased with my purchase. I'm actually over the moon with it.
Hey, at least you're self aware lol.
@@Damage_Inc But don't the tools help you adjust the size of the bracelet by removing/adding links? Otherwise you have to take it somewhere to do that.
@@jackwilson5542 No, there's only bracelet removal tool provided and You need a very good properly sized screwdriver to remove the individual links. Besides, this procedure involves heating of the bracelet to loosen Loctite stuff, preventing link screws from undoing themselves - if You're not into modelling or fine mechanics - this procedure is not for the faint-hearted, especially if the watch is new. I was a bit scared to do it myself, but all went OK. I was much more self-confident when I did this later to my Seamaster :) Proper screwdriver, whose blade fully fills the screw slot + propane burner to heat the link locally, gloves and Loctite for fine mechanics for screw it back. Or even better, take it to reliable watch service. But they should know this loctite trick, otherwise it might go sideways.
@@MrSysadmin1975 I sized my new 3861 Speedy bracelet myself. I do have a proper set of watchmakers screwdrivers, and all it took to loosen the screws was to run the bracelet under very hot water for a couple of minutes. Just remember, slow and steady wins the race!
This is how you do a watch content channel. Every single upload is fantastic!
And yes! Everyone needs a Speedmaster! 😍🙌
The justification for the price hike is the same reason for Ferrari pricing. You want it, therefore it is this price.
Seiko have done the same.
Supply and demand lol
not to be negative but pricing in high quality products as ferrari gucci omega, is far from “just because i can”
This is the same for everything else btw
I pick my new moonwatch up this week!!!!! So glad of the timing of this video, it got me all excited for the pickup lol. Love the channel!!!
Bought one of these last month. It's so subdued and only catches the eye of those who know it's deep understanding.
A watch that will transcend time. A watch a father can pass down for generations. Got mine 3 days ago and this will be a keeper for my life time and perhaps my son or daughter.
I bought my Speedmaster in Germany in the spring of 1967, well before the moon landing. With the 321 movement and straight non-beveled lugs, it remind me of better days.
I could listen to this guy talking about movements all day long. You seriously should start a podcast talking about watching.
I bought the out going model (1861) 2 months ago. An absolute dream. Over the new one I prefer the more authentic movement which ties closer to the history, prefer the dial not looking so grainy (once seen I can spot the new model a mile away) and prefer the font placement on the dail. It not costing an extra £1000 was a bonus.
Apparently a few of the 3861 movements are having problems.
I've been hoping you'd review the new Moonwatch. It's my first high-end watch purchase. I love it. It's better than I expected. Just perfect. I wear it every day and wonder if there is another watch with the history and cachet (that I can afford) that could ever take its place on my wrist. BTW, I absolutely love your channel.
If I may add, only Omega still ships both the old and new generations of such an iconic brand at the same time, any other brand (you know who😉) get ready for crazy grey and used market premiums!!
What are you trying to say?
@@neilbraun11 I meant it would be easy for them to sell just the new (and more expensive) version of the speedmaster. Which would then drive up prices of the older version in grey and used market (as they have now become collectibles, limited supply and all). This happens regularly with Rolex watches, the grey market premiums on even their existing watches go through the roof once “rumours” of an existing model being discontinued hit the market (think hulk, explorer 39, explorer 2 all in the last 2 years). Yet Omega always keeps their watches attainable and there’s almost no secrecy about their supply situation.
Here too, they are selling this extremely iconic watch in both it’s iterations and will phase out the model slowly. They do the same with every family of watches. As an enthusiast and a follower of watches, they have my respect for that. It may make them less alluring to some people, but I’m not one of them.
Sorry for the long reply. Didn’t want to be misunderstood 🙂
@@fahadkhan-db6bh yeah, I agree. I prefer it this way as well. Telling me I can't have something because I dont irresponsibly throw money around just makes me shake my head and walk away. I couldn't imagine doing this to my customers. People say...well, you dont understand the luxury market. Yeah, no I get it. Its just a game for show offs who buy watches for different reasons. This new idea that they are investments is just a joke. The inflationary prices of Rolex and some higher end brands will be adjusted as quickly as they went up as soon as these "investors" see the market crash and need capital to stay afloat
@@neilbraun11 😄 walking away, yes I have done that recently with a brand that was surprisingly not Rolex this time. Brother, the only people who make money in this nonsensical situation are the dealers (non AD) and internet influencers. Rest of us just keep fuelling this nonsense. I have to say I like your attitude towards this👍
@@MT-kx2uc I promise you this all planned. Rolex has wanted to move up market for years. Tudor will replace Rolexes previous position. If you can't see that you either haven't been collecting long enough or you're not paying attention
I got a new 1861 hessalite in 2017 with a 20% discount for £2933 so as mentioned in the video “an absolute steal!” The new model has some nice upgrades but another way to look at it is it’s a little further from the 60’s original too. I love my speedy and it always gets regular wrist time.
Actually the case, crown, pushers, hands, dial, bezel and bracelet are closer to the 105.012 than anything on this side of the 145.012.
When the 3861 came out every discontinued 1861 and 861 received a minimum of 30% value increase and I myself owner of a 2014 1861 (last model with small red box) this put a big smile on my face
I recently bought the 1821 and love it, although that darned haselite crystal is prone to scratches (they polish out easily, though).
Just tried the sapphire and hesalite. the size is realllly nice. Nothing gigantic like the seasmaster. Oh and the stainless bracelet is 19.5 mm 😍 This piece really feels nice and perfect. Question of the century remains…sapphire for survival of daily use or hesalite for originality?
I have one I bought in Japan.It was a display watch.Cost around 2.5k back in 2014. A great discount!This narrator is the best that I have heard on RUclips. Does the watch justice!
I've had my eye on this watch for a very long time. I don't believe that I can pass on the opportunity this time. Thank-you for your informative video.
Love my 3861 Hesalite :) :) Best Moonwatch I've owned yet :) :)
The comment about 'Fire' hilarious. I have the FOiS, I enjoy explaining the reason why my watch face doesn't have the word 'Professional.' My education emphasized return to the source and every glance I look at the time I am marveled by this history.
“Rolex, don’t make me laugh” 🤣👌
After fake and real comparisons video This Omega Speedmaster professional moon watch became my dream watch even tho I still effortless because it is so expensive to me but I gonna own it on my wrist someday
The raised omega logo icon is 👌
Just picked up one with 10% discount! This thing is like jewelry now with amazing finish and all. I don't understand why the internet is complaining about the 'sharp' edges. It's called precision and most people just have to think straight on why the have that finish.
There are watches and then there is Speedmaster
What about El Primero? History, revolutionary tech and choice of designs
The Rolex Daytona back story described as pulp fiction is apropos on a few levels. They do command the exponentially higher price for different reasons, much like how the movie "Pulp Fiction" entertained us and commanded over $200 million worldwide, whilst the documentary "Apollo 11," even with all of its original footage and international film accolades, only saw around $20 million worldwide.
The Daytona is the "Indie" blockbuster, and the Speedmaster is the critically acclaimed documentary. Personally, I really like a good documentary.
The different between Rolex and Omega? You don't see Rolex comparing it's self to Omega
@@AJ-bi6ns ya probably not a good look for Rolex to mention their higher quality competitor
Correction: the bracelet on the 3861 is reminiscent of the Ref. 145.022-69 '1969 Apollo XI' Yellow Gold LE, and NOT the original Speedy Pro bracelet, which was a flat link.
3861 is by far the better option than others for people who have tried and compared.
Just got one with saphire.. im impressed how 42mm watch can embrace my tiny wrist like glove. Bracelet is comfy like hell.. it probably more comfy than rolex jubilee. Easily can be one and only watch for some people.. and for me, the only chronograph watch that can fight toe to toe with speedy is Zenith a386
Except zenith needs more maintenance..the el primero is really good ,just more fragile. Got both 3861 and el primero. Love them both.
@@Mega-zi7ys i got a384 revival. And so far have no issue. Both are incredible
@@danielharyanto6713 mine just stopped on the 4th year..then after the 5th year the chrono pushers would jam. Even after being fully serviced 😦 I just stopped using the chrono after that.
Still love the watch. I always get emotional attachments to my watches. I never intend to sell them that's why I am not concerned about telling ppl about the issues with watches I have. Because I intend to keep them don't care about the resale values.
Maybe the a384 won't jam as much as it's a simpler Chrono. Mine's got triple calendar+ moonphase. So maybe it's a bit more complicated...
"My only complaint; you can't get the Hesalite front with the sapphire back"
I hear you, but I feel if you are going for the Hesalite version, you do so because you want something to closely represent the original watch.
Love the solid caseback as well
Love the Singer reference.
Fantastic cars. The very best version of the 911 imo.
Fortunate enough to drive one of the earlier ones and... it keeps me up at night
hey - just put a sapphire caseback on the hesalit version - so did I
Would like to hear see the Tudor. Prince oysterdate ,I bought mine in 1976 and it’s still my favourite.
Bought an 1863 model sapphire sandwich steel bracelet model for $1000 discount last June from an AD, so the gap to full price which all the AD’s charge now on this new one is pretty giant for fairly modest improvements.
If that’s your cayman in your picture that’s bad ass
Great watch, and I love it. Though people should be aware that the 3861 movement has teething problems. The chronograph function on my 4 months old hesalite has started acting up (stops at 58 seconds, which also stops the running second and the watch altogether). Did a bit of research and it's not an uncommon ocurrence for people who use the chrono function frequently. Dropped it yesterday at the Omega shop, who told me I should have it back in a couple of weeks. Fingers crossed that they fix the issue permanently.
Thanks for sharing. Update?
@@liquidtunes Omega fixed the issue at no charge, since the watch was under warranty. It took them about 1 month. The great thing is they gave me an access code to their service system, where I could see the status of the repair work. Their service was faultless.
@@johnnyguitar6697 Very encouraging to hear and happy that you received good service from them.
@@liquidtunes I am predominantly a Rolex guy for the past 20 years, but I have to say that my experience with Omega is far superior than with Rolex lately. Firstly, you can actually buy most watches from Omega's dealership, and (at least in HK), they are incredibly nice and commercially minded (as opposed to the smugness / contempt you get in most Rolex dealerships). And the service was very quick, as opposed to the months of backlog one would experience if servicing a watch at the Rolex SC.
@@johnnyguitar6697 Great to hear your comparative experiences. I don't appreciate having to play AD games and wait months for a service if I'm spending that much money, let alone at any price bracket. I had one off putting experience at an Omega boutique here in Dubai where the staff could have been hired from Rolex (hah) and a different more positive one at another boutique where even though the chap was new, was pleasantly forthcoming and helpful. Been mulling my first big boy watch so hearing about people's experiences helps. Thank you!
Totally changed my mind....i want this beauty and I'm gonna get it this year.... it is ON
Another fantastic video! I always enjoy your storytelling approach in exploring watches!
Just bought the sapphire sandwich and watching this video. Unbelievable watch!
I tried the last one on and the bracelet was just too bulky for me. This came out and it solved all my issues, while also looking way better imo. But I just can't justify that kind of money for a speedy, it's gone into another price bracket now for a lot of people. Such a shame...
Check out the 3590.50 from the early 90s or a late 80s 145.022. Those commonly came on the 1479 bracelet, which is basically identical to this new one but vintage and with a clasp that has 6 micro adjustment points. Something that the new one, bizarrely, lacks. You can get one with some lovely tritium patina at a very reasonable price.
@@DeanoTXR53 Good share Deano, very helpful. I've not bought a pre owned watch before: how often should those models be serviced?
@@liquidtunes Not so different of a service interval vs a modern Speedmaster! Figure about 7 years but many people stretch far beyond that. The 861 movement is super robust and was basically unchanged from the late 60s onward. Even the 1861 update in the mid 1990s was minimal. so you can find lots of expert independent shops that will do a killer job vs sending it to Omega who will replace original parts like the hands with non matching modern ones
@@DeanoTXR53 great info, thank you very much!
I am so happy that i bought the "old" 1861 Speedy for 5,5k€. They now sell the new 3861 for 7,5k€ which is insane imo. (bought the sapphire sandwich)
sine you mentioned a bunch of other Brands@7:35 . i'd take the MoonWatch over all other Brands (including Daytona) in a heartbeat. great review. thank you.
Yep the milky ring of the sapphire front is a showstopper. Can’t help but see it
I do prefer the 1861 hesalite. That flatter grey dial really makes the bright white hands pop.. Also love the more busy mili seconds track... and mine is on straps anyway, so I don't see the new bracelet as a factor.... and the movement was used in space for years.... The price is great too. It's still a relative bargain... yes the new one has great features too....(let's not mention sharp edges!)...but the 1861 is the one for me
Just bought my first Omega (speedy) and love it
Bought the sapphire sandwich last week. It everything I thought it would be. An amazing watch suitable for any occasion. Don’t think I need another watch!
And it looks much better in the flesh!
Why do these companies believe only their divers deserve quick adjust clasps. Would be nice to see the seamaster clasp tech hiding underneath that new clasp
I’m getting it later this year. The saving begins now 😁
Just think I bought mine about 12 years ago for just £2500 seemed expensive back then now it’s a ultra bargain
How much? Seems a massive price.
Bought a new FOIS 2 years ago for £2800. (20 % discount)
This is why I love Omega watches
I have the sapphire sandwich. I also got a 14cm 🐔 wrist, and couldn’t sport the previous model as it was to bulky for me. This one is a pleasure to own, wind , operate an wear.
You know this is a treat when you like the video before watching :)
I am one of the 40%. You have excellent content. All well narrated and filming is magnificent. Keep up the good work. 😊 My father has the original 1960s Speedmaster. It is in very bad shape with original strap long gone. I would love to get it restored. My father says when he got it serviced years ago, the jeweller swapped movement for a fake inferior movement, but he is not really sure. Yet as it is, it keeps excellent time and stopwatch works perfectly.
The Omega Speedmaster has a nice classic design.
I think it would nice to own both as a set. I bought the 2018 model hesalite 1861 in manual wind, and now I’ll be buying the 3861 automatic sapphire sandwich.
No such thing as an automatic 3861.
I bought the 3861 sapphire. The back edges are super sharp when taking it on and off, also the lume starts off great but fades very quickly IMHO. But I love the watch and wear it daily. It's my only special watch and I have no regrets at all.
What about the Zenith El Primero revival editions ?
I’m pleased that i’m not the only one that wants to see a reissue of the c.321
If there were Oscar awards for these type of RUclips videos, you won over and over.
Really nice watch. Good looking, you have to manually wind it all the time, that might not be a +. But its look is Second only to a Daytona and at 1/2 the retail price and a 1/4 of the market price. And the are always available.
I’m waiting for the new clasp with a micro adjustment on to come out and then I’m going to pull the trigger. This update is excellent. I’ve tried it on a few times now and it’s been improved everywhere especially the fit. It feels like a 40mm watch now and the quality is definitely up another notch. You don’t really need a micro adjustment as the bracelet is so comfortable but apparently theirs one coming so I will wait and see.
Now it has an on the fly micro adjustment. Cheers.
@@Rodolfoguerra12 Yes, I was surprised by this when the AD showed to me.
When I 'down sized' my watch collection I really regret selling my moon watch, as soon as I sold it I knew I had made a mistake.
However now being in a position to look for another moon watch I can take some time as have a look around at what's on the market.
Does anybody have any advice on which is the same desirable version on the moon watch?
I understand they are all desirable.......but I am being drawn towards the earlier versions.......say 10-15 years ago rather than the modern versions.
Any thoughts and comments.
Love how the Speedy looks, but hate how large it looks on my wrist.
Take a look at the Speedmaster Reduced ;)
@@SvenSan great tip, I appreciate it. Haven't tried the reduced yet, but from seeing it online it doesn't speak to me as much as the original. The speedmaster fois also looks very nice.
I felt the same way having a smaller wrist, I got the FOIS and really happy with the decision. I feel it speaks to me even more with the different set of polished hour, minute and second hands
How big is your wrist ?
@@Damo-gq6wl like 6.5 inch? Old Submariners (5513 eg) fit absolutely perfectly, the newer Maxi Case are pretty much the upper limit 🙂
I will always love the moonwatch they don't have to change it a bit. That has to light version is my favorite even though I love that see-through case back I still love to have slight version the most
I've got one of these, I love it. I have it on a grey-bordered black NATO and it looks amazing.
"Rolex? Dont make me laugh" lmao
The Ultimate iconic timepiece.
Would love to watch another presentation of fp journe and de bethune.
Omega should throw in the adjustable bracelet from the sea,aster line at this price
Not a diver
Got the old one, with the hesalite nothing wrong with it.