Ventrac Vs Zero Turn - Wet Ground Conditions
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- www.ventrac.com/ In this video we compare a Ventrac and a Zero Turn in wet conditions. Most machine operators know that driving equipment on soft or wet ground conditions will either tear up the ground or the equipment gets stuck. Ventrac can push the limits much further than traditional equipment because of its articulating oscillating frame, weight distribution with the dual wheels and all-wheel drive. So next time you use your zero turn, check for stable ground conditions or make sure there is a Ventrac nearby to pull you out!!!
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Video Transcript:
My name's Aaron Graber, and today we're comparing a Ventrac vs zero turn in wet conditions. It's important to acknowledge that these are two very different machines. We chose a zero turn to run side-by-side with a Ventrac because they are the benchmark and show context to what people are used to running. The machine we chose is actually more a prosumer model so it's not quite as heavy duty as some zero turns out there. That should actually bode well for it because that means it's lighter. Some important things to talk about with the Ventrac are that it's articulating and oscillating. What that means is the frame hugs the terrain, bends, and twists at the center so it can keep constant contact with the ground, and the eight tires help spread the load out so that the ground pressure is lower and you can glide over wet areas easier. Today we're coming out of about four straight days of rain, it's starting to warm up, it's springtime, the ground is kind of falling out. It's a great time to showcase this and how the Ventrac works.
So we're on a place in the property that's a little bit low lying, it collects water, it pulls here. It doesn't drain from here as quick as some of the other places. As you can see I am completely and totally stuck right now. What happened was as I started going with the zero turn, the right-side tire packed up with mud and since that is the steering on a zero turn I had no choice but to drive further over to the right than I wanted to. I made a little bit of progress until we are completely dead in the water now. We will pull this out with the Ventrac and hopefully, it shows the difference of the Ventrac vs a zero turn in these conditions. This specific zero turn is about 800 lbs. The Ventrac is approaching 2,000 lbs. by itself with the dual wheels. Add the deck in and you're almost 2,500 lbs.
Thanks for watching this video. We really appreciate your time. We hope that you learned something from it, and as always, leave your comments. We are listening and watching. Hopefully, the feedback we get dictates some of the new projects that we do. The best way for you to really understand and learn the advantages of a Ventrac and how nice it can be to run one is to get in the seat yourself. Check out our dealer website, you can find your nearest dealer, you can book a demo with a dealer, and try the Ventrac on your own property.
Regarding some comments about tires, or duals, or price differences or anything else that's different - If we tried to make it 100% fair and changed everything about the Zero Turn to be like a Ventrac, then we'd have to build the machine from the ground up and it would end up a Ventrac. Then it would be a Ventrac vs a Ventrac and there would be no comparison. That's the point of the comparison: show the differences. This is simply a learning tool for those who don't know much about Ventrac. Hopefully it can help them understand what our machine is all about.
Ventrac how much does the ventrac cost
The 4500 tractor is between 19-23k depending on engine option. Then, add on whatever attachments and accessories you would need.
You are high off your own grass. nobody mows in flooded areas. Id say turn around and leave but youd have to take some extra time out vs a zero turn.
Do a speed test of a scag cheatah (the fastest mower) and a ventrac
ruclips.net/video/a2Uqfl0apWE/видео.html
Actually, we have a lot of customers that mow in much worse than what is pictured in our video. Usually, in areas that are notoriously wet like retention ponds. Here's an example. Disclaimer: Not our video.
You should do a video of the turning radius of the ventrac vs the zero turn
bren1bren2bren3 haha
Lol
They did show the zero turn turn & Ventrac turn.
I’d like to see a video of a Ventrac and zero turn on a hill
Zero turns have their place, hills and wet turf are not their forte.
That was definitely an Exmark Lazer Z
He said it was consumer grade which would give it an advantage do to being lighter weight. So probably a quest or something like that coming in at a sixth to eighth the price of the Ventrac showen.
Thanks was wonder if it was a toro or exmark
Looked like a Radius model.
@@zaineridling No, It was a 2009 Lazer Z HP 52" 24.5KH. Trust me, I run one all week long. You're thinking of a newer design, the 2009 has the control panel at the mid section below the operator. Newer models have the control panel to the side.
This isn't even comparing apples to oranges… This is more like comparing apples to porkchops…
Why mow in wet conditions??????????
Sometimes you just have to in order to keep up with the early growing spring grass. A lot of contractors face the issue of customers expecting that it will be done even if the weather isn't quite cooperating.
Exactly! Allowing grass to grow excessively long due to many days of consecutive rain is just as harmful or worse than mowing in wet conditions. This machine almost eliminates the downside of mowing wet as long as your blades are definitely sharp.
Jared Barthel exactly. Plus the ventrac has duowelled tires
could you show the price differences at the end of the vid
thomas wright yeah right, that difference is a brand new V-6 Camaro
Clapped out zero turn-$800-1200
New ventrac- $20,000
And up, that’s right twenty. It the Kirby of mowers, ten times the cost of a regular product, three times the weight but twice the power, effectiveness and lifespan of its competitors. There only really for you if you got cash to burn or mowing is your passion , excellent for chicken farmers w/loader attachment and it’s low profile n crazy power, or extreme off road mowing, if a normal riding mower can even think about doing your chores, you probably don’t need this.
I LOVE seeing mowing with leaf vacuuming!!
Your tractor system is THE BEST!
Ventrac is the best!
Thanks Tim, we appreciate the support ✊
It seems like both machines may impact the turf in wet weather, but even at 2000 pounds the Ventrac has very even minimul wear and the grass can recover from the small damage it incurs, although even here it's almost none. The zero turn on the other hand puts most it's weight on the 2 tires, carving out huge ruts and basically ruining the turf beyond repair. I thought this was a fantastic comparison, some people may say otherwise. There's plenty of zero turns that are more expensive and will get stuck exactly the same. This shows you how a different configuration besides a zero turn may be a better solution for your conditions.
I was looking for something completely different, but I watched it through to the end because it was pretty cool.
The slight price difference has me sold on the zero turn because I can put that extra 24k of money towards house payments 😂
Well I purchased and still have a $14k Ferris 3100z 60" cut because I mow 16 acres at my house. I had the same problems as in this video along with I have some slopes. I demoed the Ferris in very dry conditions and loved it. Well after the first year I hated it and went out and demoed a Ventrac 4500Z with a 72" mower and was sold on it. I have both mowers and I will mow with the Ventrac every time and mow just as fast as with the Ferris. When the hills are wet the Ferris is useless. Ventrac all the way!
Congratulations on your lottery win!!!
What kind of a comparison is that a $30,000 Ventrac vs a $4000 Zero turn? Lambo vs. Fiat 500?
Adi Satzinger very good point
It's not about the cost of the zero turn, it's the fact that it's a zero turn. We have seen plenty of real-world instances where the results are the same with the most expensive, best commercial zero turns in the business.
Well I purchased and still have a $14k Ferris 3100z 60" cut because I mow 16 acres at my house. I had the same problems as in this video along with I have some slopes. I demoed the Ferris in very dry conditions and loved it. Well after the first year I hated it and went out and demoed a Ventrac 4500Z with a 72" mower and was sold on it. I have both mowers and I will mow with the Ventrac every time and mow just as fast as with the Ferris. When the hills are wet the Ferris is useless.
Adi Satzinger good point some people dont have that much money to by a ventrac eXmark is really good and not that much money
Adi Satzinger btw the lazer z costs like 15k
Could you use the ventrac without duals in the wet weather???????????👍🏻
Absolutely. It's still really good.
Yes it’s still 100 percent better than any zero turn .... I use mine all the time without the dials in fact i put them on more for hillsides than Wet turf
Or you could buy that nice zero turn and a new 4x4 quad to pull it out (if you do ever mow a swamp) and still have $10,000+ left over to do whatever with!
When those compared the price points of a zero turn mower to a ventrac when they could get the zero turn mower along with an ATV for the same price of the ventrac when they would use the ATV to pull out the zero turn if it does get in a soft spot.
If I say so myself that sometings I have to mow in my lawn care and the ground is wet and the zero turn sinks into the ground but the ventrac just keeps going and don't sinks and that is why I like having it too!
Dale Nienow lie
Mitchell Cooper why would I be lying?
Dale Nienow because your 12 years old
Mitchell Cooper I am not 12 I am 21 years old!
Come on now under normal conditions I’ll take the Zero turn any day it’s faster can get in and out of tight spaces and about $20,000 cheaper
HA HA HA HA, COMPARE THE PRICE TOO
PLEASE
A rear PTO I would love to see soon. With a rear PTO it would open up a lot of farming implements like for hay and hay racks. Also a log splitter would be A new implement that would like to see. With that being said I love what Ventrac is doing and the Quality of the tractor. Keep up the great work. With ideas that I’ve given would make the vent track a one stop shop for anybody farmer, rancher, home steadier, you name it including the every day landscaper. One tool for any job. For anyone!!!! Thanks for reading and taking time out of your day. Can’t wait to see what is next to come.
No one read your comment and the tractor wouldn't be practical for farming
Ventrac will win anytime. Amazing job. You can send one my way.
There are times even in the summer when you tackle wet conditions, In low spots where rain collects or natural springs. The Ventrac with duels will crawl over soft ground And hardly leave a footprint.
I'm actually now thinking of buying one cause my lawn now is actually knee high and growing
Its not a fair comparison the ventrac that you are using has duals on it and is all wheel drive. Also the ventrac has a cost of around 27,000 that just the tractor not the engine or mower deck or any attahcments with all the attachments he has is costing him 30,000. also that zero turn is an exmark and exmark mowers are really nice. On top of that the exmark is two wheel drive and isn't really a tractor like the ventrac. an exmark is specificallly made to only mow and bag on commercial and or residential properties also the exmark is only about 8,000
From AUSTRALIA - I like the fact that the Ventrac is close to the ground (unlike tall farm tractors) therefore its NOT likely to topple over when you go up hills. I would feel VERY SAFE on a Ventrac without a seat-belt. At the same time, this machine has the POWER of a tall tractor. WoW!~!! This machine is compact enough to fit inside your STANDARD Garage so therefore don't get a tall tractor, get a VENTRAC!!!
uh right, and it is ONLY $20,000.....lmao
Slight price difference
As a small business owner that would so be a game changer. I would love to a feel for it it would be less time-consuming to do all by hand.
Honestly I think the Ventrac is a great piece of equipment ive always wanted a ventrac I want the baggage lift and dual wheels
I laughed my ass off when you showed the exmark spinning in the mud. Every spring on my septic laterals that's me every year! Lol. I have the same tire spin in a half C all the time. Cracked me up! I like how you rub it in with pulling it out with the Ventrax lol. I'm lucky to have a small Deere 4100 to pull it out all the time, it's on standby. Buyers, this video... it's all true baby!!!
Soooo, what you're saying is that if you want to go mudding, strap onto to an ExMark. And if you want to surf on top of the mud, giddy up on a VenTrac! 😂😂😂👍😎
Im planing on getting a ventrac soon... but One thing you don't say is I can buy about 6 of those zero turns new for the price of that ventrac
This is true. With the Ventrac, it's definitely an investment in having the ability to be so versatile.
Yup but they do a lot more the oonly other thing a zero turn mower could do is snow removel with a blade attachment
I wish I could get my hands on one of them for around where I live we have a lot of rain and standing water but no one else around here can do anything in those types of condition and I could make so much money and advotice how good ventac is around here I could end up being a door to door sells person like back in the good days lol love the ventrac I would love to get one
Great Video! Nothing compares to a Ventrac
Except the price
Well thanks for making my EXMARK LAZER Z HP look bad :)
Good vid thou
Sorry, Evan! Thanks for watching :)
I love the Lazer Z HP, has a 24.5 KH, 52". I also run a Cub Cadet RZT 50" Kohler 25, the good ole 2013 machine!
This is obviously not for residential purposes. It's on RUclips, but is really intended more for landscapers or institutions and golf courses that have massive lawns in need of mowing.
Oh I need one of those!I live in the swamps of South Florida!and my home is on a hill!and I flood once a year!(that's when it's good times 😉)! But how much is it?
That would be all I need!but I also see a need for a zero turn at times!
But not here!I got Gators on my porch at times!that's when you know your yard is wet!ha!!!!
That's wild!
So the ventrac is heavier than a zero turn but the weight is spread out further due to the dual wheel kit?
DemonfangTheDragon makes plenty of sense.
I’m a welder at ventrac and I’ve been told by the main tractor operation trainer that the ventrac 4500 dual wheel tractor has a lighter pressure on the ground per square inch than the human footprint
Greg Reed that’s amazing thanks for your feedback. I really need to see one of these ventrac units for myself
Greg Reed I don’t doubt that at all, I run a Cat D-6 low ground pressure bulldozer with even less, I didn’t believe it myself until I climbed down and sunk a boot in some soft stuff the dozer floated on no problem, it’s all how it’s spread out.
Jax Turner incredible
Yea I need this ASAP! Freaking 5 yards to do an it just rained 3 hours ago
100%
I think it would be quite interesting to show cut quality difference between several brands
I would love to have one of these but the price tag Canadian is outrages. But then again either buy shit or the best.
Thanks for the video!
0:11 you can see the back of the ZTR seat, it says eXmark
Can you compare a ventrac to like a John Deere x748 in the same conditions I'm trying to decide between the two
I would love to see the ventrac compared to a johndeere x758. I think it would give you quite a surprise. Also I know it isnt as versatile but you can buy almost two john deeres for the price of one ventrac
This is why I have tractor tires on my turf tiger lol
Bald tires on the zero turn, and this “pro-sumer” model is actually about a 10 or more year old Exmark Lazer Z, professional mower.
Ventrac, I want to clear up that I agree with you. I think if for some wild reason you wanted to mow a marsh then the ventrac is way better. If you want to bag your clippings, the Ventrac is way better. But If you keep responding to all these aggressive and rude comments people are putting on here it sure makes your company look silly. You don’t need to respond to such aggression. Reading your responses is like listening to a child bicker with their sibling. Your mower is excellent for its intended purpose.....Like maybe a commercial area that requires daily cutting and no clippings. Let your product speak because on line disputes are a big no no for a long time success with your customers online vision for you. Be kind an quit worrying about the rude comments. Nobody wants to buy from aggressive people. Be humble, otherwise it appears you don’t trust in your own product to speak for itself.
Jay - That's fair. Unfortunately, it has become abundantly clear to us that many of these comments that we get are not rude or aggressive just for the sake of being rude or aggressive. They are people who truly don't understand the capabilities / purpose of a Ventrac or are shockingly misinformed about other products. We hope to not come across like we're bickering. There just happens to be a lot of inaccurate information floating around out there that we like to clear up. We are in fact, experts on our product - who better to learn from than us? Thanks for the comment. We'll try to keep it as informative as possible.
Who’s walking into their yard after a few days of rain and says “hmmmm yard needs to be mowed but the yard is flooded... oh well, what’s the worst that can happen”
Usually it's after a wet period where the whole yard seems dry enough to mow and the grass is out of control so they get to it. Then, they get to a spot that didn't dry as fast as the rest, or a slight hill that didn't have the traction they expected, and BOOM. Almost instantly, they're stuck. It sneaks up on you....the conditions are rarely as obvious as shown in this video.
Very impressive
With the ventrac you are easing into it and with the zero turn you are gunning it, so of course it will get stuck
Christmas is coming; maybe Santa bring me a couple. With all attachments, thx.
How about a comparison between Ventrac & Steiner? Could that be setup? IE. Hill climbing, side hill mowing, slip scoop capacity, etc...
What are the most important things you would want us to cover? Obviously they're similar machines but there are a lot of differences too, as well as very different companies behind each product.
Ventrac: I was thinking about a contest/comparison of power/powertrain, traction, price difference of base model compared to top model. Tow comparison. Etc... Unless you have different ideas how to compare the similarities & differences.
funny the model exmark you use has the narrow front tires and baldish rear tires , along with improper driving style, it all comes down to ground pressure , i get the ventracs purpose but i will say a scag turf tiger 2 or a hustler super z would have been alot better to compare with, and for a true matching cost comparison altoz trx tracked zero turn could do as good or better.
We figured that since the Z we used was so much lighter than a bigger commercial option it would have an advantage over them. If we can get our hands on an Altoz TRX, we would LOVE to do a comparison on wet conditions and slopes.
Think I could do the 5 ft tall weed swamp behind my garage with this.
Umm why are you mowing your lawn when it’s that wet?
So they can get a cheapest zero turn stuck and show the power of the most expensive ventrac
They are appealing to commercial mowers and golf course care , sometimes you don't get to choose when you mow. I mowed lawns for a living and it happens all the time if you have tight schedules .
Why did the zero turn also have bald tires and the ventrac have brand new tires and the price difference explain that one and the 8 wheels it has
Zero turns don't work too great in wet mud, looks like me a few months back, I really need a Ventrac especially in the UK
Why did you cover the brand on the zero-turn with tape
love your videos
Great stuff, I'm getting one for sure by next winter!
Awesome!
Hey, it’s a waste of money
I just left a massage on Andrew camarata Chanel to buy your tractor after using his zero turn
Well one u wouldnt even go through the mud in the first place and second there are diffrent price ranges that matters and exmark has better turning radius
I'm from Trinidad in the West Indies and there is no ventrac agent in my country....
Y’all should compare it to a Kubota bx series with a mid mount mower
That's a good suggestion. They are very different setups but many people do not know how they are different.
I’m so bored I just watched a lawn mower review when I live in an apartment
Not even a fair comparison . 8 tires, all wheel drive against 2 wheel drive. That's like a 20 yr old wrestling a 60 yr old👎👎
And yet, some people still think zero turns are better in every way than any other mowers. Crazy huh?
also that zero turn had some bald tires on it. the ventrac had way more aggressive tires.
Next, Lets compare the bugatti chiron to the ford mustang, go!
Put tracks instead of wheel on zero turn 😏
Ventrac yes
yeah its cool for what it is, but it looks literally 2 times as big as the zero turn in dimensions. I mean I get the floatation with 8 big tires, but that machine is so effin big, its not really a comparison of even machines, but apples and oranges. The zero turn can do a lot that huge thing can not do, but mostly on dry normal grass. If I cut muddy areas all the time, it would be fantastic, but....who does?
The zero tern is made by X mark
Y’all should put it against a kubota bx series tractor
the ventrac is 19,000 before the mower and the zero with the mower is 3k?
Tires looked very bald on the X-Mark and brand new on the Ventrac.
They're just pretty average turf tires. In our experience, it makes no difference on a zero turn in spring time. If it has turf tires (almost all of them do) they can be new or used....you're going to get stuck in soft spots.
@@ventrac Zero Turns + Soft sand = stuck
I notice that the majority of these videos are with the 4500 series tractor, Im interested to see if the 3400 series would be able to work as well in those conditions with the cab option if possible, looking to possibly purchase one in the near future 👍
Anthony Sunseri I have both units. The 3400 is a nice unit and in tight conditions it's nicer than the 4000 series to mow with mostly due to your basically right behind the deck. The 4000 series feels like twice the machine and has high low speed ranges. I use both often and it's a tank in low range. I'm completely impressed with how strong the 4000 series is. I have a 72" deck for my 4231TD it really kicks the hell out of large area's.
Depends on your needs. The 4000 does more because there are more attachments but the 3400 fits in smaller spaces. I don't think you will like mowing with a cab, I mow with the ROP's bar down on the 3400 because of catching trees with the bar.
I wouldn't buy a rear discharge deck again. I would get a mulcher kit for a side discharge deck and remove the kit in fall and add a grass catcher for leaves. Hope that helps.
As for the 3400 floating in wet conditions like a 4000 with duals, forget it, the 3400 has a smaller tire. Won't match the 4000 with singles
Exmark is my favorite brand 😭
Do it aganist a scag turf tiger 11
Or exmarz lazer z
Same year as the ventrac
I would still buy a zero turn
So you compare a mini-tractor to a lawn mower? Why not compare it to a 4wd small tractor with finish mower?
I've seen a lot of your equipment but there is one piece that I'm looking for that you guys don't seems to produce.
A backhoe. It comes in handy to be able to dig low.
never mind the difference in tire tread....
The ventral is like a tractor a zero turn is a mower and I more fair comparison is the John deer tractor that u can attack a mower deck to
I have some extreme hills in the pasture that are unsafe to mow with 100hp tractor and bushog with duals
How would this compare
It's tough to say definitively without measuring the hills, but generally speaking, the Ventrac will be much more stable and maneuverable than any traditional tractor in that size class. We are fairly confident that you would be pleased with the Ventracs performance comparatively. Definitely see if you can demo on on the property in question. You can check out our dealer locator to find somebody near you.
www.ventrac.com/dealers
Who’s idea was it to censor the zero turn but not there OWN product?!
You would never mow in these conditions. Especially if you are professional. You can mow if it’s wet, but not sloppy.
You bring up a good point, Shane. The conditions in this video are definitely on the extreme end of "wet" and are pretty much isolated to early spring and late fall. But, it does happen, and with a Ventrac you can push the limits more than with most mowing equipment and still give professional results. With a regular zero turn, a true professional might be waiting a little longer for it to dry out.
Where is the nearest dealer in NC
Love this
us too!
How mowed grass in wet grass
Why the hell would mow when it’s that wet
Ventrack is like a big tractor and no wonder like it never gets stuck. Here are the to real good tractors exmark lazer z advantage series, I know this one is old it is a blolens 1886 no offence to the other tractors except ventrac
what brand is the zero turn
In my opinion you have an older version of a zeroturn mower and
Cool so if I ever want to cut the grass in 5 inches of standing water I'll go spend 20k on that thing or I can just wait for the sun to come out and dry the land up.
who cuts in the rain
I'm sorry too but that thing's got duals on it
That Exmark mower could weigh over 1,000 pounds. My neighbors Toro 52” commercial ztr weighs 1,400 pounds.
Love the ven Trac not trying to hate in it but I would not be mowing in there conditions
Let’s compare a $3k zero turn to a $30k ventrac. Seems fair. Tires were overfilled on the zero turn and the turf tires don’t grip as well.
Price isn't the critical factor in these conditions. It's weight. This particular ZTR, although only $4-5k is MUCH lighter than the Ventrac so it should have an advantage in wet conditions. We're actually at a disadvantage in this comparison and we still do a lot better.
I get this is a test video but why would you even mow in wet/ muddy conditions with a zero turn. Don’t even try just get a ventrac.
DdAaVvIiDd when it rains for days in a row and the grass is growing to long you just have to mow it it keep cought up. I have mowed in the rain a lot
Put it up against Wright’s new dual wheel mower.
We'd love to. That would be a fun test.
There is no comparison, the overpricetrac is around 30 thousand, Jesus I can get a bobcat skid steer along with a heavy duty hydraulic powered cutter attachment for around 30 thousand, these tractors are way to overpriced
1 the zero turn has single wheels on and the ventrac has duals so thats unfair so if your trying to show us how the ventrac is the best do it with singles on.
Who said it was supposed to be fair? A Ventrac is so much better suited for this kind of task, there's no possible way it would ever be fair for that poor zero turn.
why would u mow in those conditions anyway!?
They are appealing to commercial mowers and golf course care , sometimes you don't get to choose when you mow. I mowed lawns for a living and it happens all the time if you have tight schedules .
i get that u guys wanna present ur good ventrac but u cannot compare these two !0 turn has 2wd ventrac 4wd it s completely different type of machine also ventrac is problably 7x more expensive
4wd vs 2wd does make much sence and turf tires vs all terrain tires and price so yeah wtf guys make it fair
Not that your product is bad but he was driving the zero turn a way to where it would get stuck if you went slower on the zero turn you would have been fine
That Z definitely would have been stuck in that spot no matter how it was driven.