Yeah, that lady's comment was pure ableism and ignorance. Thinking there is a treatment, that we need treatment or want it. And then if we somehow did we would change our minds about our identities. So gross. I'm autistic and genderfluid and I love the diversity and authenticity of our community. 💛
I'm nonbinary and autistic. I was diagnosed later in life, after I had already come out as trans, and after I actively sought out a diagnosis based on information I had gathered myself. Nobody saw any of the signs of either when I was growing up, and certainly nobody convinced me to be either of these. There is a strong correlation between gender diversity and neurodivergence, likely because gender identity is itself a neurotype. I've heard this same infantilization a lot. They hear autistic and they instantly think r-slur and all the stereotypes that come with it. This despite the fact that there are many highly intelligent autistic people, and autism is overrepresented in the STEM fields.
Yeah. As an autistic aroace guy, it would've taken every fiber of willpower in my body to not shout a dictionary's worth of profanity at her and leave on the spot. I absolutely hate being infantilized more than anything else.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I'm late diagnosed too, and life has been so much better since! And I fit what you describe, I worked in science research laboratories for years :)
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I also consider myself to be late dx for autistic (at least at the age I'm at now, 21 and diagnosed at 19). It was actually something my mum did suspect when I was very young, and so did the NHS, but then they decided to drop everything altogether for questionable reasons. I knew I was never quite like other children when I was very young, but nobody ever told me anything, and I had to seek the diagnosis myself after learning that autism is actually quite prominent in my mum's extended family. Nobody ever suspected I was trans, though, even though I had been questioning that one explicitly long before the penny dropped about the autism. I finally accepted I was trans a month after the autism diagnosis. And certainly nobody convinced me to be trans. Pretty much the opposite, actually. Emotionally abusive father trying to force me to be cis and have children, and I've even heard essentially the same ableism from him as I have in this video. My mum has endless concerns about being trans. It's something I'm having to push for, myself.
I'm a Cis woman on the Autism spectrum and I find the rhetoric about Neurodivergent AFAB people beibg somehow "tricked" incredibly infantalizing like we aren't fully capable of making our own decisions. If anything I find it easier to understand different spectrums.
For real, I’m an Enby with Autism. You think I am so incapable of decision making that I made up my dysphoria and euphoria? It’s bs that it isn’t called out by what it is, ableist and transphobic.
Yes! I just posted a similar comment. I'm an autistic cis, straight women and during my diagnosis using the DSM-5 not once were they focused on my gender. There is literally no way for a doctor asking questions from the DSM-5 for autism to come to the conclusion that you're trans. It's like they think when you get diagnosed with autism, you don't get a free bonus of a 'trans diagnosis' in your autism bundle just for fun. There are of course autistic trans people, but that wouldn't be decided in a single session as they are completely unrelated. They follow a completely different criteria and diagnosis process so I have no idea where people get this idea from..... As you said, do they think we are that stupid that we wouldn't realise the difference??? (As stated I am cis so have no personal experience in receiving health care as a trans person. My statements simply come from the experiences I've heard from those around, but of course I could be all wrong. Please let me know if I have said anything offence or if the comment I made is completely wrong. I love learning more about this community so I can do my best to always provide a safe and welcoming space for everyone!)
My 16yr old got approval for T just the other day. It wasn't a quick process. The joy on my son's face when they said yes was one of the best things I have ever seen.
Thank you for being there for your son. I hope this will one day be me, unfortunately my mother is not very keen for me to transition. I also live in aus and I'm _very_ familiar with how careful and.. slow... they are. Again, thank you.
???? They are still minors bruh. It makes me 🤢, just thinking about how easy a child is to brainwash. Even hitler himself said, give me a child and he will be mine forever. And one of my own friends me a minor and it a minor, repeated all the time that I was something I wasn't. Almost brainwashing due to repetition. I was called an old soul, and even I almost lost myself to the noise. I was first aware at four. Imagine the future where a kid can decide to have relations with adults. Soon... 👹 My true (self) soul saved me, viscerally against any participation or medical "aid" to "trans" feds (kids). Also I got demon experience on par with the Warrens and Soul sense, when I encountered one at a fast food drive thru. I sensed brain sickness. So I always recommend getting help. 🤷♀️ Instead of feeding into the delusion. Turns out the slippery slope was real, waiting for the pedo and zoo DLC. 😋
@@crystlelakefarm1254Depends a lot on the country though, in Europe for example circumcision is quite rare, and I don't personally know anyone who has been circumcised or had it done to their kids.
Yeah, these people only care about """genital mutilation""" when it's trans people getting GCS/SRS and have absolutely no interest in surgeries done on intersex babies, female circumcisions (not widely practiced but absolutely terrifying and DOES happen to women primarily in African countries), or male circumcisions which are WILDLY popular in America and which a lot of guys attest they wish their parents hadn't done to them. All three of those are Literal genital mutilation that happens to real children, where, largely, gender confirmation surgeries aren't done until mid-late teens at the earliest. GCS simply isn't happening for kids under 15 in most cases. I'm sure there may be a few outlier cases of a transmascs getting early top surgery, but I am almost 100% certain that no doctor across the entirety of the U.S. would perform bottom surgery on a minor unless they had actively malicious intentions. Again, just another example of how this conversation has nothing to do with any social justice or fighting for the rights of children, the wellbeing of women, the overall benefit of society or any of the other blankets they try to throw over this "political debate," it always boils down to just pure transphobia. Often mixed with ableism, eugenics, racism, and misogyny to boot, almost all of which we saw in this Jubilee vid!! Yayyyy conservatism.
18:54 I’m sorry, but did he apologize for deadnaming a social media platform? And him being conservative leads me to believe that he’d gladly deadname his children. But a social media platform? Nah, he’s got standards
@@watcherfox9698fun story, I named my car a masculine name, and made a little point to correct mechanics who called him "her". (It didn't ever genuinely upset me or anything- I just had fun drawing attention to their unnecessary gendering of my vehicle)
@@sammypickerno it’s the fact we’re forced to use pronouns because if we don’t you throw a tantrum and cry like you lost your dog. That’s a you issue. It’s time to grow up
That's quite the tell that Jubilee phrases the discussion as "should minors be allowed transition" and then instantly conflates transition with medical transition. How can it be a debate if one side is being misrepresented before the conversation even starts?
Once in a while, Jubilee will fact-check or expand upon the participants' claims, but the vast majority of the time, the participants are just able to shoot their mouths off as they please. This means that one party citing a robust peer-reviewed study will sound the same to the untrained ear as the opposing party who cites crap that's already been debunked or critiqued by the experts.
@OdinsSage totally agree. you can see the same pattern in all their other videos including marginalized communities. gay liberals vs gay conservatives, black liberals vs black conservatives, trans liberals vs trans conservatives, womens issues ect. i highly doubt they actually care about opening up a conversation.
That, yes, also, and does nobody see the incredibly dangerous slippery slope that is created when we declare that people shouldn't be able to dictate or determine the state of their own bodies?
@@dinosaysrawr seriously. The number of people who build their entire focus of life on religion and what they don’t know is amazing. The state SHOULD NOT have any say on if a person transitions or not at any age, that is theirs and their families concern alone. It’s wild that we think anyone knows better than almost every health organization in the world
@@thelc5492 , the state's role is to prevent and address outright abuse, exploitation, fraud, criminal negligence, criminal neglect, and the like, in my view. Otherwise, bodily autonomy and the right to self-actualization and self-determination should be treated as sacrosanct, except in cases where the particular expression of these rights might unduly threaten the rights, safety, and well-being of others.
As a trans minor, that video hurt me so much to watch. I believe that if it's my body and my life then I should be able to transition and finally be happy. I find it absolutely terrifying and worrying that I still have years to go before I can be who I want and how I want to go about it. Although, watching it with Jammi's commentary makes it all the much better as I feel respected and represented. Thank you Jammi for all you do!
Hang in there! You are who you are, and you have the right to exist. You do exist. Just know that for every bigot or hater, there is someone who understands and accepts you.
I am so sorry that your existence is framed as a "politically charged" issue, with reasonable people on both sides. I'm sorry that whether or not to give trans people the support they need is even up for debate. You deserve better than that.
Because you are not owed happiness by life? You live the whole experiences good, bad and ugly then you die. 😃 we are not in eden anymore. ???? They are still minors bruh. It makes me 🤢, just thinking about how easy a child is to brainwash. Even hitler himself said, give me a child and he will be mine forever. And one of my own friends me a minor and it a minor, repeated all the time that I was something I wasn't. Almost brainwashing due to repetition. I was called an old soul, and even I almost lost myself to the noise. I was first aware at four. Imagine the future where a kid can decide to have relations with adults. Soon... 👹 My true (self) soul saved me, viscerally against any participation or medical "aid" to "trans" feds (kids). Also I got demon experience on par with the Warrens and Soul sense, when I encountered one at a fast food drive thru. I sensed brain sickness. So I always recommend getting help. 🤷♀️ Instead of feeding into the delusion. Turns out the slippery slope was real, waiting for the pedo and zoo DLC. 😋
I think the question should be “Do you believe that trans people have the right to be a part of society and not vilified, ostracized or demonized? Why?”
Well-stated! The framing of questions is one of my issues with Jubilee. My thought is participants should submit questions/statements on the topic, moderator draws questions randomly for the panel to respond. They’d be discussing their own thoughts in their own words, rather than an imposed framework. Edit: what if people didn’t announce what side they’re on at the start? I think it’s helpful to decouple POVs from labels. Otherwise you get snap judgments from people trying to fit in with their “tribe”.
I'm not trans, but I didn't realize I was Ace until I was in my 30's and that was because a friend almost a decade younger than me told me about it. Seriously, things are going to become more prevalent just because people now have the words to describe it. It was always there, people just didn't have the words to tell you.
This! I'm abrosexual (essentially the genderfluid of sexual/romantic orientation). It took me so long to understand my sexuality because I was never told people like me exist. It's only thanks to the internet I even know there are others like me.
This issue has always existed. 30 years ago in my late teens I was struggling enormously with my sexuality. Do I like boys or do I like girls? How do I pick? I finally explained to a friend and she said, "Maybe you are bisexual?" And my response was, "Like Liberace?!?" But I was so unfamiliar with the term and idea of bisexuality that it had never occurred to me. Did my friend make me bi? Of course not. But even a tiny, tiny bit of education opened the door for me to allow me to realize who I was and always had been.
Okay, so here's the thing. Even assuming "biologically you can't change " which is debatable, but even assuming it is true. It still hurts no one to let people live as what you perceive to be the opposite gender. I just listen to their arguments and am like, everything they say is completely irrelevant to the situation. Like, why are you trying so hard to make people you've never met unhappy?
even the "biologically you can't change" thing is like. so buried if you get past basic biology and introduce the ways that chromosomes and hormones can be varied from person to person; like for instance, I'm transmasc but I've yet to be on hormones however I still have facial hair as a result of abnormally high natural testosterone due to PCOS; which makes me technically intersex despite being AFAB and having all those parts. as well, hormones can also control bone structure to a degree so chemically changing yourself would change some things biologically
I struggle so much with them acting like they care, saying "it's a mental illness, these people need medical help", but then ignoring the fact that transitioning and living the way they want with their own identity is the help they need. It is literally the help from medical professionals that they are pretending to advocate for. Every single one of these people that I have spoken to or debated ignores facts and would rather listen to some idiot like Peterson than people who are actually educated and capable. They garnish that by misrepresenting studies because they know that in the moment you cannot read and examine the study to see that they're misrepresenting it. It's so frustrating that their whole viewpoint is based off of willful ignorance and they still can't figure out how wrong they are.
Sadly that is the point. They want to hurt people that are not like them. They want to control those who are different than them. It is the worst most disgusting part of transphobia.
god it pisses me off so much how jubilee doesn't even try to moderate the debate. it's not hard to correctly gender someone and blatantly refusing to respect someone really betrays a lack of intellectual honesty.
That moderation made me angry. 1. He didn't establish any baseline definitions or facts to frame the discussion. 2. He asked many leading questions. 3. Positing whether minors are mature enough to make life-altering decisions without clarifying what "life-altering decisions" are relevant to the discussion is extremely problematic. 4. Closing with "clearly we all have our own biases" is insulting as Hell. 5. Even if it was somehow appropriate to allow misgendering someone, it was clearly unproductive for the conversation and he should have nipped it right away.
They almost never moderate the discussions. I think i have only seen it once or twice. That guy was being such a d. He wasnt even making any new arguments, or being consistent with the topic. Just "blah blah blah BIOLOGY (lies)" consistently on repeat.
@XXIXXIIXXXXIIIXXX If someone called him Ma'am, any rational person would find that disrespectful. and he would have thrown a fit. its not that hard to not be a total asshole. though judging by your other comments, you are pretty blatantly transphobic anyways.
@@XXIIXIIIXXXIXXXIXThat's like telling me that I should get over people calling me the hard r because it's a fact that you can't stop somebody from saying certain things.
I have a massive amount of respect for the fact that you can listen to anti-trans rhetoric and respond with such intelligent, eloquently stated, restrained arguments disproving it point for point. I get so angry watching these types of things that I can't even think straight. So so glad that you keep making these videos. Thank you.
Its honestly funny as fuck to see the transphobe refered to a non-outed trans woman on the show as a women but when the woman who is outlined as trans he misgenders them and the girl outed herself as trans the guy is just contemplating his life then.
Jamie is just naturally a really cool person. Despite all the hate, he's trying to understand and trying to communicate with anybody who can be reached.
It's because it's common for anyone non-cis. We deal with it daily sadly. It's no surprise to us anymore, and it's mainly directed at us, our friends, and chosen family. We've heard it all and it's just reality for us. You get used to hearing it because it happens so much and is everywhere. I'm not trans, I'm Agender, but I have a ton of close friends that are trans and friends in general who are. But you know, people like this aren't just coming after trans people, it's all non-cis people. I stand up for all identities though. People should feel comfortable in their body regardless who they are! Doesn't make it any better, but that's just the sad reality of it. Doesn't mean we don't fight like hell though :P
As someone who is Genderfluid, I'd say it's because we're used to it. We've heard it dozens of times before, we're mostly inured to it. Every time this comes up, we look into it because this is important to us and we need to know, so we're exposed to this kind of thing a lot. I think seeing what you get out of it is important. For instance, I was interested in the opinions of the undecided, and that 2 of the 3 were swayed to the conservative side mostly because of scary stories. The default position does seem to be "do nothing", which is why conservatives have an advantage in discussions like this (and why we need to point out that allowing puberty to happen also has permanent consequences). They can talk about the BS they read about on social media, divorced of context (like, say, parental custody) and it's harder to debunk than it is to recite your vague memories of a short, memorable statement on social media (and everyone does this to some extent, but some statements are more accurate than others). I found it fascinating from that perspective, and it gives insight into the work we have to do. I think we have to keep pointing out (quickly) that these statements are inaccurate and rebuff their talking points. If we rebuff them enough (and do so convincingly), we may make them seem unreliable sources to the undecided. I'd advise taking your anger and looking up some of this stuff that dude cited. Anger often motivates us to act, and not knowing what to do with our anger can be aggravating. Take these talking points, look them up, find out how they've been debunked, and you might find a good outlet for your anger. Otherwise, finding good ways to cool down can help. Try not to lash out, as it rarely helps. Instead, find ways to calm down, or find things to do that seem helpful, or step away if it gets to be too much. I had to do that recently, there's no shame in stepping away when it gets to be too much to handle.
The doctor that Arthur is talking about who apparently got arrested. He got it all wrong, it was the father who was trying to deny his son's transition who got arrested in BC
well it was more contempt of court than "got arrested". He was fundraising off his son medical records, naming doctors etc. which the Judge already told him to not do
@@TransKidsMafia stop spamming this. how could they tell you this, when they're at most 3 years old? also, your only video's name states that your cats are trans and had bottom surgery. how did they tell you this, when they're biologically incapable of learning any language, written or spoken?
6 years into my transition and my only regret is not starting sooner. The massive improvement in my mental health not only helped my physical health but also improved my marks in university and my overall performance in things
Congrats! I don't think I am Trans, but I am recently questioning my gender identity and sexuality a lot. It's scary, but I feel good just asking these questions. Until now, I've kind of felt like I did not have any identity. I'm not where I feel like I should be yet, but I'm making progress. So happy to hear someone made the change they needed and are happy about it.
@@arkainin4638It definitely is scary questioning your sexuality, but definitely worth the hassle, living as your true self, wether that’s a trans man, trans woman, cis woman, cis man, non binary, or anything in between, is definitely one of the greatest feelings, I wish you the nothing but the best on your journey and hope you can find who you are 🫶🫶
I grew up in the middle of nowhere. Less than 800 people, nearest neighbor was a mile away. I had no clue what transgender meant. My dad was born in 1923 and I had heard him use the T slur, but just figured that was for people who dress in drag. As a result I thought I was mentally ill. Multiple personality disorder or something. At age eight I started battling with internalize hatred. I couldn’t understand what was wrong with me. I became introverted and depressed. I spent years and years praying for life to end. Growing up in church I know ending my life was wrong. Yet when I reached adulthood and started a family, it didn’t improve. I decided that once my youngest was 18 I would end it all. This made my children’s life horrible as well. 2020 hit and the world was in chaos and I was asked what was my biggest regret “Not being myself.” I was asked to explain. This is when I was finally told that I wasn’t crazy. I was in my 40’s and finally understood what I was feeling. I started my medical transition in 2021 and my life has totally changed for the better. Now I am totally outgoing and loving life.
I hear you as your second paragraph pretty much explains my experience but without the starting a family bit as I found out was infertile and I avoided the church, for it to have been in my forties that I learned what it was I had been feeling, to there, act on it, but before that happened I too determined to end my life.
Oof, I was in a pretty similar vein, but thankfully a friend taught me that being trans doesn't mean you're a child raping predator, and from that point on I did everything I could to transition. Feeling so much better now. Regardless, happy for you to finally live as your true self, hun 💜Better late than never!
***Bleep*** me! Lets hold a vote about whether the way people feel about themselves is valid. Kudos to you Jamie for keeping calm. I'm 31 minutes in and I'm already mad, and I'm not trans.
Trying to have conversations with people who speak and behave like that older conservative dude is impossible, and infuriating. I don’t even try anymore. Jammi, your voice is so soothing. I kept getting mad at him, and then when you comment, my rage just melts away. I bet you’re great at conflict de-escalation.
Yeah, when somebody's deliberately and repeatedly misgendering a trans person, that's a sign that their bigotry isn't coming from a place of ignorance; it's coming from a place of hatred.
@@sushiroll3795 yes. The hate for trans people is worse and more important than the snark, and inability to listen or empathize, talking over people, and being so invested in control he can’t functionally communicate.
15:00 the interaction of "yeah she" "he" "she uses she/her" "he" just goes to show they're just like kids trying to annoy everyone by just saying the opposite of whatever the truth is without argumenting at all. Like she was calmly correcting him and stating a fact and he just goes "I don't care about facts I'm just gonna say the same thing over and over again until you give up" like it's any sort of useful during a debate or conversation... Truly pathetic
As a trans minor, yes I think I should be allowed to take estrogen and eat Blåhaj for lunch and spin in a skirt. In all seriousness though, we do need more awareness of trans kids and more protection for us.
Eat Blåhaj? No! *Hugs Blåhaj* Bad, bad Maple, bad! Beyond that though, indeed, if trans kids can't be trusted with their identity, why can cis kids? By their logic, everyones puberty should be blocked indefinitely.
Yeah, everyone treats "do nothing" as the safest action, but puberty is permanent, and often, so are the consequences of untreated gender dysphoria. We acknowledge that failure to act with every other condition can result in life-altering consequences, but fail to see that with gender identity. I wish there were more interventions in the case of unaccepting parents, but we need to defeat the culture of parental ownership of kids first as well as educate about the risks of denying a kid's gender identity. Parents are guardians and have *custody* of their kids, and that can (and should) be revoked if it's demonstrated that they are abusing or neglecting their kids. I think parents should be given the chance to change their minds and change course, but in case of absolute intransigence and unwillingness to consider the harm they might be doing, then we need to protect the kid from the parent.
@@KrimsonKattYTso, if giving hormones is illegal than why isn’t all puberty before 18 illegal? Oh, yeah, that’s right, we believe cisgender kids, but not trans kids. If you honestly believe people those ages are unable to make life changing decisions, then we should disbelieve cis kids as much as we do trans kids.
I’m a trans minor myself, and it’s genuinely a scary experience to be existing right now. I feel like I can’t turn around without seeing a politician, journalist, celebrity, random loser with a platform having a “debate” about me, my family, my community, and my doctors. It’s pretty easy to tell that everything they’re saying is wrong, but what can I do?
Just know that there are a lot of people out there who love you for who you are and support you. For every bigot there is someone who either simply does not care one way or the other, or who actively supports you. You have a right to exist, you do exist, and as someone who struggled with a lot of phobia in my life, who was never a bigot, but certainly more conservative at one point in time, I can say that most of the hate comes from fear. It's not about you, it's their issue. I was raised during the era when the F-Slur was just a random thing to say. And to call someone gay was a generic insult, or to mean bad. My Dad was super phobic, but not hateful. And my Mom, while caring and kind, 100% had the whole religious brainwashing thing going on. That primed me to be very uncomfortable with anything LGBTQ+ It took until my mid-20s to start changing my mind. That came through exposure to alternative stories, and people, and generally feeling more comfortable with my hang-ups. Playing female characters in video games, enjoying LGBTQ+ books and films, and anime was a big one, all helped make me more tolerant. The point is that I think most people are just uncomfortable with themselves due to how they were raised. But once they know you, see you, they'll change their tune. You can't do anything about the die-hard bigots, but simply existing and being yourself will change minds. I wish you did not have to change them in the first place.
I was a trans minor once upon a time. I came out as trans at 16 and I'm now 39. I can tell you that yes, things are scary right now politically and it's very much no fun having our rights be debated by everyone, who all haven't the slightest understanding of trans issues but feel they have an opinion people need to hear. In some sense, it was better when the cis weren't obsessed but actually most people are great and supportive and open to learning. There used to be a PSA campaign of "It gets better" aimed at reminding LGBT teenagers that high school is not real life, convincing them to stick it out until graduation. It sucks to see people debating trans existence and rights online but if you don't want to engage, it's also pretty easy to do something else. Adult bullies exist but not like school. In college and jobs, people have their own things going on and nobody is obsessed with other people's lives like they are in high school. You can make it. I believe in you.
You’re absolutely valid, and know there are so many people out there fighting for your rights. I came out as bi at 13 and then nonbinary at 16, and started medically transitioning (ftx) at 23. I’ve had top surgery and I’ve been on t for 3 years now. Life does get better, and even if you feel like you’re in a place where you’re forced to go through the “wrong” puberty know that even though you may have to go through a second one later on, the results are still life changing and life affirming. ❤
We'll all get through this. The history of progress shows that on a long enough timeline, society as a whole trends toward more freedom and more acceptance😊 It used to be controversial for women to work and vote, it used to be controversial for interracial marriages, it used to be controversial to even come out as gay, and in every instance where people fought for their rights to exist and be happy there were people just like the bald conservative in that video who tried to stop them. And over the years and decades WE won and they lost on every one of those issues. The future is so bright for us! Take care🤗❤
I absolutely love when people bring up the left hand or (devils hands) situation where they was forced to write with their right hands but then the rate of left handed people went higher not because it was a trend but because it became more acceptable and people were able to use their left hand without criticism.
My 13 yo daughter’s friend group are all little queerlets. Her Bestie is a trans boy with conservative parents. The teachers were misgendering him, so half the school started using only they/them pronouns for everyone in every context. I found out about this middle-school protest by proofreading a paper where she used they/them for Todd and Mary Lincoln. They’re so mature, supportive and open about about it, but it also seems like they’re doing less actual sex than my generation. The kids are alright. It’s these old bigots that are a problem.
I'm trans but my mid teens son is cis. A few years ago I noticed him using they/them even for people where he 100% knew their gender. (Mostly cis people.) I asked him why and he shrugged and said, "Everyone is a they/them. Just seems easier." My little gender anarchist! Kids these days are great.
You're 100% spot on. It's disturbing how many CONGRESSMEN think you can "hold in" a period, or that women have them by choice. It's insane how stupid some older folks are.
@@CorwinFound I'm cis, but I have a lot of trans and queer coworkers, and it's just a sort of general practice to use they/them as a default. Not enforced by any means, but it's just what people tend to do and I've found myself doing the same. I use she/her pronouns, but I don't feel misgendered by somebody referring to me as "they". I don't feel specifically affirmed by it, so I wouldn't say I go by they/them or she/they pronouns, but it's just neutral to me. At work, everybody pretty much knows each other's pronouns, but it's a big department, and just like your son said, they/them is just easier a lot of the time lol. Another of my friends, who I know from a completely separate context from my workplace, uses he/him pronouns, and he says that somebody saying "they" in reference to him doesn't mean they aren't referring to him as "he", they're just using a neutral term. To me, it's not really any different from calling my brother my "sibling" or calling a woman a "person". There are some people who only identify with or feel comfortable with neutral language, and of course that's valid too, but neutral language is just so versatile and I like that it's becoming a more com
People bring this up (against me) in unrelated conversations, and it’s clear that hormone blockers are safe, and provide opportunity for anyone who feels they are on that spectrum. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m sick of having other peoples situations weaponized against me because how I “appear” a certain way, even if I’m not.
My niece first came out when she was 7, she had already had typically girls toys and liked to dress up as a girl at every opportunity. We thought she was just a very feminine gay boy, which was the closest identity box we knew of at the time. Anyway at 7 she was secure enough to tell her mum (my fantastic sister in law) and wanted to change her name and identify as a girl. Immediately it made sense to all of us, my sister in law came to us for advice and we suggested general acceptance, but to talk to the Dr and the school. Her dad struggled to accept it at first but soon realised his daughter, whom he loved, was a girl even though he didn’t necessarily understand it. 8 years later my niece has been under the care of the gender clinic for 7 years and only now, after years of consistent identity with lots of psychiatric care she’s only just staring hormone treatment. If she were able to access surgery prior to 18 I would have no problem with it in her case and nor would her mum and more importantly than our opinions, it’s what she wants. If I hadn’t experienced it personally I would have thought a hard limit of 18 on irreversible surgery would be completely sensible, but I would have been wrong. Medical decisions shouldn’t be subject to arbitrary limits, especially ones based on prejudice. Medical decisions should be evidence based and personalised
Thanks for being such a supportive family member. The reality is that how supportive family is around a trans person is the single biggest determining factor on the trans person's mental health. I know that you didn't do math on this; you love your niece and so you supported her. But know that it wasn't just the _right_ thing to do, it was also the psychologically correct thing to do for her health.
On the distinction between illness and condition: pregnancy is not an illness, but it does need treatment. Contrastingly, we wouldn't say a fish has an illness because it can't live in a tree. Being trans is not an illness because it is not a result of disorder in the individual, but conflict between themselves and an intolerant world; the same way disability would be a non-issue in a world that is accommodating, transness is not an illness in a world that allows it. We must, however, choose to create that world.
As a transgender woman, I wish I had been on hormone blockers during puberty. I don't see any reason to gatekeep children from something totally reversable. If you decide to stop taking them, you will start your puberty all the same.
Not to intercept, I agree, and I would assume that transitioning would feel more natural avoiding the initial body dysmorphia that comes with puberty. Progression helps us all. I also just want to tell you I love you. Thank you for speaking about your experience!
@@pourmepourmeanother In my experiance I would feel more comfortable if I didn't go through a male puberty and just went through the female puberty I'm on now. However, I know plenty of trans individuals in the non-binary spectrum who want it all or don't care.
@@ThatFont No, dysmorphia is its own thing. Dysphoria refers to discomfort with one's own body. Dysmorphia is a skewed perception of one's body. Dysphoria is treated by accepting the identity and transitioning. Dysmorphia (especially body dysmorphia) is an obsessive compulsive disorder that needs to be treated by addressing the misperception. If those with dysmorphia go through with their desired changes, they may never be happy with their changes. On the other hand, those with gender dysphoria are (with very few exceptions) generally very happy with their transitions, and complaints are usually around social acceptance, botched procedures, or (in rare cases) misunderstanding of one's gender identity. Now, I'm not a real doctor (it's just a username folks), so please forgive any inaccuracies, but this is my understanding of the difference between the two terms. Though Dysmorphia and Dysphoria can appear similar on first glance (and even some trans people have conflated the two!), they are two very different things.
I am a minor living with my parents, and I've been on testosterone for a year! My parents have both said that they've noticed that my mood and wellbeing have improved drastically since I started, and I'm a lot happier with myself in general. I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life since I started T and I'm endlessly grateful that my parents and siblings support me and have helped me become who I really am. Thanks for talking about the facts, Jamie! A lot of your videos on stuff like this actually helped my parents do research prior to me starting T
Omg I'm so happy for you! I found out today that I can't start hrt until I'm 18, which really sucks! One of the reasons I I'm so excited to get a job is because I could start T earlier than I thought!! Alas, being a dwarf shall have to wait :(
Nice! My parents are supportive, but I live in a state where I cannot legally get any form of hrt or anything, and it's been causing quite a bit of pain, not being able to get estrogen. Being stuck as a boy is awful.
I'm so glad you have supportive parents! Give them a hug from me, a mom with a son who knows that he's safe at home no matter what. He's cis as far as I know, but he has friends who are not as welcome in their own homes. He knows that if there is ever a friend in need of a temp safe space, I'm here. His compassion is off the charts. Prob'ly the one thing in my life that I did right. ❤
@redbirb I'm so glad you have such supportive family and I'm so sorry your state is getting in the way of your complete happiness. Just hang in there and know that things will get better. Hopefully the world will not always be this way. Sending biggest hugs 💜🌻🕊
The closed captions wrote "miners" every time you said "minors" and this has tickled me immensely. Let's get kids out of mines and transitioning to life above ground! Fascinating video Jamie, thank you for your input
You know, it makes me really angry when people tell me, a 16 yo, that I'm not old enough to know that I NEED a mastectomy - I've been needing it for about 5 years, it really makes my quality of life worse because I can't (or at least nearly can't) do so many things I so deeply long to do, i.e. jogging, swimming, cuddeling with or hugging people, h*ll, WEARING A F*CKING SHIRT. I deserve to enjoy my life and it fills me with a deep wrath that the leaders of the country I live in have the power to tell me otherwise. (sorry if there are any grammatical errors in this - english is not my first language)
Yeah, I understand saying, take some time to get informed and think it over. Surgery is a big deal. But when you’ve known for years, it’s your body your decision. It should be entirely between you and your health care team.
I’ve been involving myself with info about LGBTQI+ for the last 5 years or so…at the time I was in my 20s, what I discovered so far about myself is this: I am cis and hetero. I understood myself better and I could start empathizing with those who are in that community. It’s that easy, you just have to be willing to listen and learn.
I am also a Cis and hetero, and I also learning a lot about it, Ik helps me also to become more Compassionate toward any group of people. Yet I discovered also something new about myself and I am now 50 years old, so never to old to discover new things about yourself as well. and that is that I am probably demi-sexual, still exploring that part of me. But I do Love how this kind of Information broaden my understanding about myself and the world and other people in it. Its Awe inspiring I must say.
Absolutely. Nobody should be forced to live as someone they're not. And the fact more people have the language to understand themselves is so extremely important. It took me 30 years to figure out I was agender. I'd always known I didn't fit as a girl and that I wasn't a boy. But I never had the words to understand exactly how I felt. I must just be a girl. I've had two kids. Still never really felt like woman was correct for me. And then I stumbled across Jaime and Shabba's video responding to JKR's transphobic essay. At one point they asked if you'd still identify as your gender if you didn't have a physical body. And suddenly all the pieces fell into place for me and I understood that I just didn't have an innate sense of gender. So thank you Jamie. Just understanding that I don't have a gender has made me so much more comfortable and confident in my body and myself. ❤
The not identiting as your AGAB if you didn't have a physical body is such a good way to put it! And sometimes I doubt myself because I know I want to be mom one day, but I don't think it should factor into at all! I'm happy you could figure yourself out even if it took you a long time.
God jubilee really frustrates me. They act like their channel is all about spreading love and understanding and yet their giving a large platform to people like the bald man who are just blatantly transphobic. Plus a lot of their debate type videos like this have a lot of misinformation spouted by the people debating with no rebuttal.🤦
From what I've seen from Jubilee, it seems like they are just closeted, right-wing schills, masquerading as liberal-ish. I find their fake reasonableness, and pretend progressiveness, to be annoying as hell.
I totally agree that although these conversations can be important, platforming people who are going to be hateful, misgendering, and fearmongering the entire time is extremely irresponsible. I assume (or at least hope) the trans people knew what they were getting into, but I don't think it was necessary to have people that are this hateful and clearly know nothing about trans people. I wish that they had some type of panel that were experts and could point out the misinformation, or at least put up text on the screen refuting the misinformation (they sometimes have this) more often. There were several bs states cited here that should have been refuted on screen.
I am so sick of cis straight men telling me, a cis woman that Dylan is a mockery to women. It's the same vibe as everyone saying matt rife is hot being a cis straight male. stay in your lane and stop telling us what we are supposed to find offensive or like. Dylan is a delight. She's the embodiment of the drunk girls you find in the club bathroom, but she's not drunk: she's just kind and happy.
I don't think I've come across a single cis woman who hates trans people in real life or in comment sections. It's always been men. Pretty sure they're just terrified of THE SCARY SCARY GAYYYYYYY OH NOOOO~ It's absolutely bizarre. They need to chill :\
I don't follow Dylan personally but have definitely seen her videos pop up on youtube every now and then and I can't understand how anyone could hate this women. She's literally a smiley, happy person living her life and sharing her experiences and this somehow enrages people!?!?
@@roundhouse2616Exactly. Dylan is just out there, living her life in the way that makes her most happy, and they're miserable because they spend all their mental energy getting worked up about how much they hate trans people.
Hey all! Reminder as Christmas is coming up to stay safe! If you're going to be with transphobic family, be sure people know, and that you have a safe place to go to if need be, whether that's a friend, other family member, LGBTQIA+ advocates, or even your local youth pastor. Stay safe, and know you are loved! God bless! 💜
@@LegorocketsAnimation I'm sorry you've got that to deal with. :/ I'm not out to my family as it's not super safe, although I no longer live with them. Please look after yourself and know you're loved. 😊💚
I'm pansexual. 45 years old. I didn't know what being gay or a lesbian was until I was 13. Bisexual, 19. Pansexual, somewhere in my 30s. So of course growing up, I couldn't have come out as pansexual, I didn't know what that was. I wouldn't have come out in the 80s or 90s regardless, probably given the stigma.
@@allyjay7395 I think the point the OP was trying to make is that the knowledge at that time of other sexuality and gender identity was very limited and not as accepting which is why people did not come out at that time. Now that the OP and other people have learned more terms for different sexualities and gender identities, more people can come out because they have the proper words to communicate what they are feeling.
@@allyjay7395true, but there's a similar need of exploration and discovery about it, and i say that as a bisexual demigender, i first had to explore my sexuality and a few years after i had the same experience while understanding my gender, their argument is completely valid, i didn't know anything about gender until as a bisexual i explored what it means to be lgbt and got accustomed to a lot of terms and definitions i have no clue existed before, and that helped me understand my gender identity.
@@allyjay7395 I never said it was. My point is if you don't have a name for what you are or how you're feeling, you're not going to be able to know what you are. This is in response to the notion that there are more trans people today than in the past.
I know so many nonbinary Gen Xers and younger Boomers*. (Gen X started turning 58 this year.) They didn't just abruptly decide that because of social media. Social media showed them there was a name for the way they always felt. It's no different for kids growing up with social media, they're just learning about these things earlier in life. *And a few binary trans people who started to transition in their 40s or 50s. It's not too late.
just to add on, just knowing there are people out there like that does not mean you’ll automatically connect the dots and realize that’s you. i had been a pro-trans ally since i was in middle school, and it took a decade before i even thought about which pronouns i liked. sometimes it takes a while for your egg to crack
Yes, there's a lot of us. I know people in their 70s realising their identity in an authentic way for the first time and it's bringing them so much peace, joy and comfort. We can see the enormous value in young people coming to that much earlier in their lives. 🌈
@@linden5165 One of my friends started in her 50s and is now in her early 60s. She was a miserable person the whole time I knew her until then, but now she's really living for the first time.
My mom only this year started to realize she might be nonbinary (she uses she/her for now). She's 58, knew her whole life she picked to be female solely because if she said anything else her mother would beat her, but now has truly felt safe enough to explore herself (her mother recently died so she no longer has to fear her). She also realized she was bi (,had multiple crushes on other women but it never really sunk in that she could be bi because of the threats of violence in her life). Now she's trying to live openly and talk about it so other over 50s can see it's not too late to realize stuff. We only have a small group in my town right now, but maybe one day we can start a proper LGBTQ+ support group here
Yep. Generation X here (54) and I finally got the terminology to call myself genderqueer or genderfluid at 38. Knew I was different since age 6. So yes, the people who are older didn't have the awareness or words when we were younger. ❤
He really said “years in the future they will call your bones a specific way” and was told “hi I’m actually an anthropologist and study bones we already don’t use those terms as factually they aren’t always accurate” and thought “that’s irrelevant” was a good response. It is not irrelevant for someone in the field your talking about giving the facts about literally what you just said
At 11 years old I said I never wanted to see my biological father again and I got a restraining order and stopped seeing him. I had blocked out the trauma and abusive things he had done and finally remembered them years later. But I still decided I never wanted to see him again at 11. That was life altering and life changing. But nobody said I couldn’t make that decision? In fact my family knew I could make that decision and was worried the courts wouldn’t listen to me.
43:10 “they are not being treated for the autism” I’m sorry what? I’ve had people try to fix my autism enough that I’d get along in normal society (not to say that it worked but still) and I’m very trans, they tried to fix both. And if you think autism can be treated with a pill you’re confused on what autism is. It’s a brain having different wiring, not treatable like depression has with certain medicine . Anyway thanks Jamie for standing up for me and other autistics as well as trans people Update: adjusted facts as I have been told that my info is wrong
I'm also autistic and trans. Essentially there is no "traditional" approach to intervention for either! I think they both represent different brain wiring! As my psychiatrist said to me, without the super hero autistics and other neurodivergents we would not have progressed so far in engineering, sciences, poetry, and most other creativity required areas. So I pray that they never develop a treatment to "cure" autism because this world would become so abysmal and grey I'd rather die. However, I've learned to move through the world after years of practice with less discomfort, public/social oddities, and general sense of not being normal. But that level of constant masking is utterly EXHAUSTING and when I get tired I tend to lose focus on what I'm feeling...like I have no brain power anymore to regulate. Thus, I have a service dog who alerts to strong emotions and he alerts differently to the different emotions. No pill. No conversion therapy..A dog. My transness is not as severe as others, but it's still very much a problem and only medically transitioning has helped to curb the pain and discomfort. Not conversion therapy. Not a pill. A vial of natural hormones to boost what my body produces anyway! I will have top surgery in the future also because I wanted to cut them off since they grew in. I was only just diagnosed with Austism 2 years ago (I'm currently 36) when I got to Australia and finally had access to proper and affordable health care. I only just last year started to accept myself as trans after fighting it for YEARS because of the people around me and lack of access to affordable healthcare. So I just stuck myself into the denial box until, yet again, I found myself married to an amazing woman, surrounded by supportive and affirming friends and family, and affordable healthcare! I started T a month ago and could not be happier!!! Sorry for the rant but this video has me so riled up it's not funny
Happy Holidays, everyone! You are all wonderful and unique individuals! The world is so much better for having you! Stay strong and stay safe! 🦕🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🦖
@nobody.of.importance standing up to bullies is commendable irl. Your feelings are valid. And I won't tell you how to spend your time online. I would prefer to save my energy lifting up the victims than arguing with what is most likely a troll or a bot, though. And I won't let the few cruel people who might see this dictate my actions to adding a caveat to my statement that might inadvertently cause someone who needs to hear this feel it doesn't apply to them. If you wish to go out and fight with the bigots by all means, good luck. But please don't post comments like these. It's harmful to the very community you wish to protect. Spreading negativity in a positive space is not stopping the bullies or helping the victims.
I just can't, Jubilee is honestly awful. The lack of fact checking or moderation in these supposed "debates" is embarrassing. Within the first five minutes the very real concept of a reactionary backlash against trans visibility and the genocidal laws passed in it's wake are dismissed out of hand because the bigot got to spin their narrative without being challenged by either their amateur opponents or the supposed moderator of the debate. In an issue involving far reaching and complicated topics such as biology, medicine, law and politics it's a lot easier to spout ignorant and reductive nonsense than it is explain the very complicated reality of the matter. Without detailed fact-checking and moderation it's just a complete train wreck and I can't even watch it. Forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is what's irreversible and harmful, furthermore snitching kids out to their transphobic parents is awful and if someone doesn't want to involve people they should nominally trust more than anyone else in the world then there's probably a good reason why they can't actually trust said people. I might see if I can make another run at this video some other time, I enjoy Jamie's contributions here I just can't stand the source material.
On this side we have a doctor and people who had personal experiences transitioning and how it actually works, and on this side we have...... A guy that listens to conspiracy news... I'm shure his input will be... "useful"
1:14:00 the "can't know til 25" is actually directly related to the liberalization of younger voters, and ties directly into the conservative campaigns to hold power by raising voting ages to 21, or even 25, for the express purpose of cutting liberal votes. It's just a convenient tool for them.
Also, it's a gross and disingenuous distortion of the "the brain doesn't finish developing until 25" factoid. It's frankly disgusting and extremely telling that conservatives basically use that fact to argue that children can't know *anything* meaningful about themselves.
There needs to be a larger conversation about children's liberation in the US. For the conservatives it's not about what's true or false it's just about ownership of their children. Until children have rights this will continue to happen.
Ive always had an issue with the concept of 'parents rights' because of stuff like this. Parents should not be allowed to harm or hinder their child's growth because of their 'beliefs' But at the same time, its not like we can have the goverment in full control either, that would be arguable much worse. I think reframing it as 'Childrens rights' Is a great point. even though some people dont seem to understand, children are capable of making pretty big choices. We should trust them more, and simply have the safety nets for when they fall, not a walled path they have to take
Uplifting thing! Heartstopper, a graphic novel that feature gay, bi, lesbian, and trans characters, among many other identities, just became the UKs fastest selling graphic novel of all time! Please remember that even in the UK, so many people do care about us trans folk. 💜 Stay strong
Do you mean Heartstopper? Because that was the graphic novel just released recently, but yeah it's an awesome series, definitely recommend reading it and watching the show.
54:18 i just want to give a shoutout to my grade 9 phys ed/sex ed teacher. She talked about LGBTQ community in great detail and talked about different types of relationships and people including wlw, mlm, enby and transgender people. She was also probably the most supportive teacher I had, and considering she was also a Christian teacher in a Catholic school she was wonderful. 1:20:01 oh my goddddd I'm Canadian and that happened in British Columbia. His SON (ftm) was transitioning and the man kept misgendering and abusing him. It became a huge deal, and so any news articles had to use fake names and make sure the privacy of the teen was kept. However, the man kept breaching the privacy and in general made the life of his son complete hell. He went to jail for breaking the publication ban not because he misgendered his son.
@@BenthewildchildE750 Because you don't understand what you're talking about. Puberty blockers are safe, effective, and completely reversible. Literally the only thing they do is delay the onset of puberty, which is why they were developed in the 70s to treat precocious puberty in very young children.
@@katphish30 I was informed of the purpose by another commenter and agree with it. I also am struggling with my own identity so I’m also looking at this issue from a parents perspective in that you have a child that should be going through a specific thing not going through that thing that will be worrying to a lot of parents. if you would like more information on what I’m going through, I’ll be happy to provide it.
The "learning to accept who you really are" argument from the conservative side is something that I internalized for a long time and delayed my transition probably by a decade (I'm only ~20). And you know what I got out of that "acceptance"? Depression, and thoughts of the word for not aliving that RUclips doesn't like. I wish I had the ability to dream larger than my "cis" life sooner. And regarding all the points about permanent decisions: I'm gonna be living with my poor social and emotional development for a while because of the delay I had, seems worse than anything they're scared of.
Hearing 'Conservative' speak reminds me of what i was taught by my parents all my life untill 20. I am now 24 and happier with myself after realizing and accepting im trans and working towards transitioning, and its a huge win after i broke from hatefilled rhetoric
56:46 if they can reach kids about heterosexual and cis stuffs , then they can teach about transgender people. Had I the chance to learn jn school I think I'd be in a much better state than I am now
As a Swedish person I can tell you that Sweden was NOT an accepting place for trans people back then. It might look accepting to include them under the general protection of the law compared to other places but it was in no way generally accepted. It's better today but it's still not at an acceptable level. As part of my job sometimes trans people have to out themselve and the happiness they show when I just treat then like any other person is saddening.
That is pretty rough, but on the bright side, you are the light in their lives. People like you give us the strength to keep going, and I can't even begin to tell you how important that is for us right now. Seriously, thank you for being a good person.
That one about the father in BC that went to jail - he didn't go to jail for fighting against his child's transition. He went to jail for publishing his child's identity in internet forums and in the press contrary to a publication ban, which was exposing his child to harassment and death threats. It drives me crazy when people say he went to jail for disagreeing with his child's transition. That is not what happened.
I think honestly if I had to be forced to face that man with the attitude I'd start crying. He makes the entire discussion not feel safe, its what he's saying mixed with his demeanor and voice. I feel like these discussions only really push transphobia more and more :( I just want everyone to be safe and happy being who they are
I would like to add I might be considered someone who thought they were trans and was looking into gender affirming things. The thing is, if I did transition I wouldn't detransition because even if I'm not trans I don't really identify with any specific gender so like no matter what my body looks like I'm happy. Also my body is my canvas to paint, no one else gets to judge the way I paint it! On another note: I would've benefited greatly from puberty blockers :( I miss the times before my body changed almost irreversibly from maturity, I was so much happier with my body before
@@AlexTheBlue24I think I’d kind of be like you in the way that there’s definitely some stuff about my body I’d love to change, whether or not I turn out to be trans in the end. Also, hey, Sky cotl pfp!
This has always been hard for me to answer. I just have mixed feelings about it. I think they SHOULD be ABLE to transition if they fully understand what they are doing. I would say 18 is a good age to start surgery. I think puberty blockers can be used because they are safe and reversible. Jammie you are far more patient than I am despite being out as trans for longer than me. I an losing my mind. 😢😢
I personally believe there isn’t one answer to this question. Every individual should be evaluated and be treated based on their personal needs. No one should have their healthcare decided on by someone who has never met them.
@@KrimsonKattYTThe thing is, when trans teenagers take HRT, it can greatly improve their mental health - and also reduce the need for surgery in adulthood. Their body has already grown more like the shape that feels right for them. A lot of trans surgery is to reverse the effects of puberty. Going through the right puberty in youth makes things a lot easier.
@@KrimsonKattYT as someone whos less than 18 and has been on hrt for a year now i disagree, im MUCH more happier now and i also get harassed/bullied less about my identity since nobody can tell that im not a cis male. NOT being on hrt for me personally i was getting harmed, i was bullied for the ENTIRE of 8th grade and my whole class either excluded me or bullied me so sure i wasnt getting punched or kicked but i was still getting harmed and it caused a lot more social anxiety for me
@KrimsonKattYT I am glad you were able to push through. However, not everyone is able to cope with that sort of stress, and I see only disadvantages to shaming someone who may be unable to handle it.
I suspect that Arthur has been reading a lot of MRA websites. All of his stories involved a dad who was resisting his kid being trans and having to pay for it, or being unable to stop it.
The biology argument... These people don't seem to understand that biology in itself is subject to change. It's not something that is not set in stone.
I think it is very important to talk more about trans people in school. I had a classmate, who thought, that cismen have a uterus because he saw a pregnant transman online and we didn´t learn about trans people in school. We were in seventh grade when he thought that.
I've been going along with informational lessons on LGBQTI+ people from the mid 2017's to about March 2019, with a couple of ones afterwards in a more sporadic fashion, after the worst of the pandemic had passed. In some of the classes I got the question if the hormones would give me periods (some of the symptoms can do happen, weirdly enough, but the bleeding part is obviously impossible, except for the weird situation in which I suffered spontaneous nose-bloods in the beginning). That's in high schools, for 13-14 year old students, who only in 2023 got to learn about transpeople for a small bit through a small newsclip about a transwoman who played a trans character on a children's show. In general, comprehensive sexual education is just very important to get rid of all kinds of myths.
When i first found out about the pregnant man, i witnessed a lot of transphobic remarks being made about him, including the t slur, using the wrong pronouns and "man" being put in quotes like i just demonstrated. I am not even trans, and i was disgusted and even afraid to express myself as a tomboy out of fear of being transvestigated.
Thank you for making this video! It's so important to call out the BS arguments that people use against trans people. Hard for me to even sit and listen to some of the things they're saying.
Hi Jamie. I'm from the uk like you and I'm getting upset over our country's increasing transphobia. It is making me actually quite scared. I can't medically transition yet (but I'm working on it) and I'm worried, about our government taking the few rights we have. The recent thing where they say teachers can go unpunished for misgendering children makes me scared for whether I'll soon be harassed at work or lots of other things. I really want to know about how you feel and if you are worried too
Dude, I'm scared for you too. I really hope that your situation gets better. I'm a trans guy from America, and I don't know your situation exactly, but it sounds really crappy. (Also I'm replying in hopes that your comment will be noticed quicker :) )
@@Userexistssthank you. I am just worried for the world and anyone like us in it. Everything could change for the worse or better in an instant and I just want to know if i'm safe
Is transphobia in the UK actually increasing then? I’m surprised to read that. Simply because surely if anything all this debate is increasing awareness of trans people etc and their fight for equal rights no? What I suspect you may be referring to is the increase of the number of people now being accused of being transphobic who if they are indeed transphobic will surely have also been transphobic twenty years ago too but they just weren’t being called out twenty years ago. If I’m wrong fine but it really would be bizarre if all this debate is coinciding with an increase in transphobia.
Camie here, I'm really happy to see this Jubilee episode get covered like this. Being on that panel was honestly such a wretched experience-- idk why they invited people on who don't even want to acknowledge the existence and rights of trans adults to a conversation about minors' ability to transition. It really felt like the Jubilee casting directors and producers just want to foster drama and arguments waaaay more than actual interesting discussion; the entire experience just kinda felt like an ambush.
35:14 I love this part because honestly i feel the same way when it comes to prochoice vs prolife. If you don't want an abortion then just DON'T have one? Doesn't mean you should be able to take that choice away from other people.
As a trans teen, I feel like the only transitioning that should be happening is hormonal therapy, binding, the small things that can help with dysphoria without surgery. Surgery wise? I don’t think minors should be able to get unless its for some medicial reason.
There’s a lot of medical reasons why a trans minor might (IN RARE CASES) get surgery. It’s usually trans guys getting top surgery. The biggest reasons not to are because the body may not have finished growing. This is because the growth can affect the surgical results down the line. Though the minors getting top surgery are usually 1-2 years away from being a legal adult anyway. Especially when you consider that most doctors won’t touch a child with any hormones until at LEAST 15-16 years old, and that most insurances require the person to be a year on HRT to even CONSIDER surgery coverage, it seems that the system (as fucked as it is) works reasonably well on paper when it comes to these things. I do think that leeway should be considered, especially when it comes to the size of the breasts and the likes but I mostly agree with it. Even though I wanted top surgery as a 16 years old (and still do at 19) I ended up growing a few sizes in those years, and as such I don’t think it would have been wise for me to get it then even if I did qualify with insurance. But other individuals have different experiences. They may be done growing like that, so the leeway can help to alleviate their dysphoria (if they have any) sooner.
@@apricotbuncakes that is very true, i’m 15 myself. Like you said it all depends on the individual but I was mainly factoring in that surgeries aren’t (as?) reversible as hormonal or things you can a lot easier.
@@nglkneeco That’s very true! Hormones also have some things that are irreversible (with few exceptions from surgical intervention) but they are overall a lot safer to experiment with because they can be stopped. They’re also easier to monitor the results of.
Absolutely true with language and awareness. Growing up, i just saw documentaries with binary trans ppl and i know i wasn't cis, but it took me another ten years to stumble upon the possibility of being nonbinary and have words for what i am
Puberty blockers, social transition and HRT for teens should absolutely be allowed and available for minors (under medical supervision of course). Surgery though should be saved for adulthood, or at least medical age of consent for other non-cosmetic procedures, which is 16-17 in most places.
"Surgery though should be saved for adulthood, or at least medical age of consent for other non-cosmetic procedures, which is 16-17 in most places." This is what major medical organizations already agree on and where gender-affirming care already stands, though it's uncommon (at least in the USA) for someone to get top surgery before 18 and extremely uncommon for bottom surgery to happen before 18 (if it even happens at all). All of the talk in this debate about "mutilating children" or "putting them under the knife" or "cutting off body parts" while clearly hyperbolic, does not resemble gender-affirming care for minors in any way.
I’ve heard a lot of trans people don’t even need bottom surgery- receiving the correct puberty and/or socially transitioning turned out to be enough for them to be happy, Not saying it should be held back in terms of emergencies of course, I just mean that conservatives put way too much emphasis on that part
Hell, first off I am trans non-binary; this whole "you can catch beings trans" just reminds me when I was a kid, people thought you could catch asthma from me. Until the show Arthur came out with an episode explaining asthma. It's all just so silly and people just need to learn to let people live and mind your own business, we aren't hurting anyone being ourselves 💖
Around 1:16:00 the mom makes a good point about letting skids work at fast food restaurants and using farming machinery. The man that follows up saying it doesn’t alter their life is pretty wrong. You work in fast food, you can get bad grease burns that will be there forever. One slip of farm machinery, you can lose a limb or your life. So yes, working those things can affect your life permanently.
Transitioning does not always equate to surgery and medications. Not every transgender adult goes for those options, why on earth would we impose a standard on children that the vast majority of the community doesn't even impose on ourselves and others in our community?
Completely agree, the trans community is one of the only ones I've seen that spread the idea of being who you are and then in the same breath tell you it's ok to get extremely ife threatening /invasive surgeries , sad to see young people think it's absolutely necessary :(
@@totally_not_a_robot8098 in my experience, the majority of the trans people saying you must go through surgeries and HRT tend to be a fringe minority. The only trans people I've seen pushing surgeries tend to be on the right or so extremely far left that very few people agree with. I hope you know you're valid no matter what path you decide to follow, don't let those garbage brains get to you.
I think that's the misconception, tho, right? When parents help their kids transition, it's not surgery and not always puberty blockers. It's simply letting them explore fashion that suits them better and referring to them by the name or pronouns they choose. I have heard of some minors getting surgery, but it's incredibly rare, generally speaking kids transitioning just means treating the child as the gender they want.
@@pourmepourmeanother How many other communities do you see that outwardly promote body modification as the next best thing? I've seen it almost exclusively in the trans community,, people that speak up about it are the ones that get isolated when having botched surgeries and or feeling dissatisfaction with themselves after the fact :(
Im a trans minor who doesnt have access to gender-affirming care or puberty blockers, and to see my body go through puberty is killing me. Gender affirming care is so misrepresented in america and is almost demonized.
I looked away for a second, and when I looked back, Jamie didn't have his glasses on. I was like a dog when their owner does the sheet disappearing thing.
This is a very nuanced situation. Not only is it that mediacal transition includes surgery, hormones and puberty blockers. The question should include this nuance. It should also take into consideration what age minor could mean: 17, 14, 12 or any age.
When I hear people talk about minors transitioning, I feel they talk about teenagers(16-17) as well, and they wouldn't want them to transition, but they hide behind the guise of protecting childreb
@Dragonkitty_101 you are corect, i wanted to add these variations because or the conversation becomes unclear and the "pro" side talks about 17/18 year olds while the "anti" side talks about 12 year olds. The the undecided people who are scared of 12 year olds having surgery vote against despite the "pro" side never stating that is what they want (they just didn't make it clear it isn't). We have the burden of inforcing better conversation that are clearer because the opposing side gains from it being messy
Tysvm! This winter break, I started doing family therapy. My parents are incredibly mad about me being trans, so I'm hoping this will help them to become more accepting :)
I have a child who's told us they're the opposite gender from before the age of 3. In the beginning we didn't confirm nor deny, as I didn't want to make it hard for them to change their mind. Then at the age of 4 came the tears and questions of why they didn't have the "correct" genitals. Now at the age of 5 they have gotten the hairstyle they want and the clothes they want. We still don't push one way or another and they wear both boys and girls clothes by choice, but they have never altered their mind on what their identity is. So do I think kids at the age of 11 or 12 should be allowed puberty blockers with the aid of medical proffesionals? 100%! Kids know themselves better than we do.
Fascinating to hear people randomly say people aren't mature enough to make medically life altering decisions in their teens when it comes to being trans, as someone who made a ‘medically life altering decision’ (non-LGBTQ+ related) when I was 16/17 and never faced any argument that I was not mature enough!
As someone who lives in America, in a liberal state and college town, some parent got really butthurt when my 7th grade history teacher taught us about different religions. 🙃 We were learning about Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism. He did end up removing his child from the section on Islam. :(
On the point of minors not being able to get married, join the military, or get tattoos (the examples that Daniel gives for life altering decisions), I just wanted to say that minors are allowed to do all of those things with parental consent and the same can be said about medical transitioning if thetrans person and the medical providers believe it to be the appropriate course of action
In my state they didn't need parental permission at 16 until last year when the laws change. So even in the US 18 isn't consistent all across the board
I started medical transition at 15, 13 years ago and if a kid has severe enough dysphoria, to keep them from transiitiionn will hurt them in the long run We need to stop treating a medicaal condition as this like some absurd debate topic. Who I am and what we've dealt with is not up for debate.
yeah, too bad jubilee usually never brings on leftist creators in their videos. any time a creator is on jubilee its almost always going to be a conservative debating nobodies
so far i've studied music production (graduated), seriously looked into hairdressing (still hoping i can take a course on this sometime), been studying computer science for two years (still pursuing degree) and next year im starting my psychology degree. this has all been since i was 20. i'm 26 now and i still have no idea what i wanna study or work as. and yet, i've been out as trans since i was 17 and transitioning was the single best choice i've ever made in my life. it's almost like your identity doesn't change no matter how much time goes by and that has nothing to do with what you like doing.
There's 50+ years of scientific research into gender identity that has proven the difference between biological sex and gender, I also firmly believe that everyone has the right to be comfortable with themselves and their body. the argument of "it's just a trend" is nonsense because I have autism and know that 30 years ago I would not of been diagnosed due to lack of proper research and knowledge on the subject, now we live in times of better understanding more people are diagnosed with autism due to increased awareness and the same goes for trans/GNC people.
They should have transitioned me as a baby and never told me I was ever born a damn boy. Or even better birthed me as a girl. Now I am a lonesome 31 year old transsexual woman disowned by family and envious of every pretty woman with good relationship and a handsome guy. For 30 lost years of my life, I possess nothing but vitriolic hatred for my previous identity. I stopped hanging with one of my formerly best friends just because she named her baby my dead name. If you have bloody misfortune to be born trans, the earlier, the better. I can only wish that puberty blockers were a thing at my time in my godforsaken country.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry your life has had so many hardships and that you haven't had the support you deserve. Remember, you are wonderful, valid, and beautiful. Please stay safe. Life can get better. You are so strong and can still do so much. 🦕🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🦖
Jamie, you’re wrong about not being a virus. Your laughter is so genuine that it’s contagious. I can’t help but laugh when watching your funny videos. When you watch a heartwarming video or read a post, your kindness is so profound, that you make me want to be a better person. On the other hand, when you’re outraged at what you see, your passion is contagious. I never finish watching one of your videos without feeling strongly about what I saw, whether it’s silliness, happiness, or anger. You have the power to rally the troops. I’m so glad you use your influence for the greater good ❤😊
The whole 'there's TWO sexes' thing always infuriates me, even more than normal transphobia (which is saying something). Because they represent it as this OBVIOUS thing when it's categorically false, even if you leave gender and trans people out of the equation. Even if you pretend trans people don't exist, there are still more than 2 sexes, because intersex people exist. Even if you base it solely around biology, the idea that there's only two sexes just isn't accurate. They're so proud of their 'basic biology' knowledge that they seem totally oblivious to the fact that the rest of us have moved on to intermediate biology.
Looking at the danish study Arthur mentioned, it doesn't indicate mental health declined, it does note that in comparison to the control group of cis people, the suicide attempt/ideation stat was higher. Which is kinda the same mistake the Sweden study he mentioned also made. That study compared post op trans people's mental health to cis people. If you want to see whether transitioning helps (it does) you have to compare mental health stats of trans people who transitioned to trans people who didnt
Also in the study they list the limitations Limitations This study has several limitations. First, the findings may not be generalizable to transgender individuals who have never received hospital care for gender identity-related issues or applied for legal change of gender. Second, being restricted to Danish-born individuals, the findings may not necessarily apply to transgender individuals born elsewhere. Third, hospital codes used to identify transgender individuals carry descriptions that may have been perceived as stigmatizing, which might have reduced their use among some health professionals. Fourth, although transgender individuals might have considered themselves as being transgender since childhood or adolescence, they were here considered as such from the date of a first hospital record or legal change of gender. Fifth, because of their likely role as intermediate variables in the causal pathway between the exposure and the studied outcomes, mental and physical comorbidities were not included as covariates in the analyses. Consequently, the reported aIRRs reflect overall associations of transgender identity with suicide attempt and mortality, which may well differ between subgroups of transgender individuals with and without comorbidities. Sixth, suicide attempts are underrecorded in Danish hospital records.37 Consequently, to the extent transgender individuals differ from nontransgender individuals in their hospital-seeking behavior after self-harming, the reported aIRRs of suicide attempt may be somewhat too high or too low.
I just wish I wasn't pressured into thinking about my gender, because that makes me incredibly uncomfortable. (Probably also because non-binary terms would draw attention to me, either positive or negative. But I just don't wanna have any attention. Just let me be me. Just let me wear whatever the hell I want without people assuming my gender, and just no one speak to me.)
1:01:21 when I was in high school, our health class had a sexual education unit. Parents had to sign a permission slip for their children to learn about safe sex and stds. We had one day talking about LGBT+ relationships and the teacher was very obviously uncomfortable for the entire day about it. It was like she really wanted to share her opinions about it, but was scared to lose her job.
the kids in my high school are just so unaware of how transitioning works. ive had multiple people ask me about my genitals and other invasive questions. i didn't even know any of these kids. they just think it's okay to ask me that and i act all chill about it because id get bullied more if i didnt, but i really hate it. theyve asked me if i have a d!ck and im a minor, so no i obvously havent had surgery yet. either they dont get that or theyre jus trying to be rude. but i just cant stand it anymore.
I'm sorry your going through that, I hope that education gets better so that kids will learn about trans people at an early age in school and then they will hopefully know enough to not be so transphobic. Trans people should not be forced to be educators of trans-ness, it's not our job.
Sir. This video is one hour and fifty minutes long.
…I’ll get the popcorn.
Are you going to share?
@@albedougnut yea fr like give us some
i can't eat popcorn but I'll take jolly ranchers
snacking right along with you OT, i brought hot coco!
@@albedougnut I believe as roommates, he is legally obligated to.
43:02 As an autistic trans girl, I hate this. It's just ableism. I'm not transitioning because I'm autistic, I'm transitioning because I'm trans.
Yeah, that lady's comment was pure ableism and ignorance. Thinking there is a treatment, that we need treatment or want it. And then if we somehow did we would change our minds about our identities. So gross. I'm autistic and genderfluid and I love the diversity and authenticity of our community. 💛
I'm nonbinary and autistic. I was diagnosed later in life, after I had already come out as trans, and after I actively sought out a diagnosis based on information I had gathered myself. Nobody saw any of the signs of either when I was growing up, and certainly nobody convinced me to be either of these. There is a strong correlation between gender diversity and neurodivergence, likely because gender identity is itself a neurotype.
I've heard this same infantilization a lot. They hear autistic and they instantly think r-slur and all the stereotypes that come with it. This despite the fact that there are many highly intelligent autistic people, and autism is overrepresented in the STEM fields.
Yeah. As an autistic aroace guy, it would've taken every fiber of willpower in my body to not shout a dictionary's worth of profanity at her and leave on the spot. I absolutely hate being infantilized more than anything else.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I'm late diagnosed too, and life has been so much better since! And I fit what you describe, I worked in science research laboratories for years :)
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I also consider myself to be late dx for autistic (at least at the age I'm at now, 21 and diagnosed at 19). It was actually something my mum did suspect when I was very young, and so did the NHS, but then they decided to drop everything altogether for questionable reasons. I knew I was never quite like other children when I was very young, but nobody ever told me anything, and I had to seek the diagnosis myself after learning that autism is actually quite prominent in my mum's extended family.
Nobody ever suspected I was trans, though, even though I had been questioning that one explicitly long before the penny dropped about the autism. I finally accepted I was trans a month after the autism diagnosis. And certainly nobody convinced me to be trans. Pretty much the opposite, actually. Emotionally abusive father trying to force me to be cis and have children, and I've even heard essentially the same ableism from him as I have in this video. My mum has endless concerns about being trans. It's something I'm having to push for, myself.
I'm a Cis woman on the Autism spectrum and I find the rhetoric about Neurodivergent AFAB people beibg somehow "tricked" incredibly infantalizing like we aren't fully capable of making our own decisions. If anything I find it easier to understand different spectrums.
Well, you can see people in this very comment section claiming that we're all irrational.
For real, I’m an Enby with Autism. You think I am so incapable of decision making that I made up my dysphoria and euphoria? It’s bs that it isn’t called out by what it is, ableist and transphobic.
Yes! I just posted a similar comment. I'm an autistic cis, straight women and during my diagnosis using the DSM-5 not once were they focused on my gender. There is literally no way for a doctor asking questions from the DSM-5 for autism to come to the conclusion that you're trans. It's like they think when you get diagnosed with autism, you don't get a free bonus of a 'trans diagnosis' in your autism bundle just for fun. There are of course autistic trans people, but that wouldn't be decided in a single session as they are completely unrelated. They follow a completely different criteria and diagnosis process so I have no idea where people get this idea from..... As you said, do they think we are that stupid that we wouldn't realise the difference???
(As stated I am cis so have no personal experience in receiving health care as a trans person. My statements simply come from the experiences I've heard from those around, but of course I could be all wrong. Please let me know if I have said anything offence or if the comment I made is completely wrong. I love learning more about this community so I can do my best to always provide a safe and welcoming space for everyone!)
@@kirsty735you don't get "diagnosed" as trans.
Seriously, I had to step away from my computer and take some deep breaths after she said that
My 16yr old got approval for T just the other day. It wasn't a quick process. The joy on my son's face when they said yes was one of the best things I have ever seen.
I'm so happy for him and to you. I hope your son have a good and happy tranistion
Found the cool parent! Thanks for being a respectful and good person. Just watch out, testosterone is one hell of a drug.
@nobody.of.importance they are pretty careful in oz about this stuff. They build up slow, constantly monitor.
Thank you for being there for your son. I hope this will one day be me, unfortunately my mother is not very keen for me to transition. I also live in aus and I'm _very_ familiar with how careful and.. slow... they are. Again, thank you.
???? They are still minors bruh. It makes me 🤢, just thinking about how easy a child is to brainwash. Even hitler himself said, give me a child and he will be mine forever. And one of my own friends me a minor and it a minor, repeated all the time that I was something I wasn't. Almost brainwashing due to repetition. I was called an old soul, and even I almost lost myself to the noise. I was first aware at four. Imagine the future where a kid can decide to have relations with adults. Soon... 👹 My true (self) soul saved me, viscerally against any participation or medical "aid" to "trans" feds (kids). Also I got demon experience on par with the Warrens and Soul sense, when I encountered one at a fast food drive thru. I sensed brain sickness. So I always recommend getting help. 🤷♀️ Instead of feeding into the delusion.
Turns out the slippery slope was real, waiting for the pedo and zoo DLC. 😋
That one conservative guy “don’t cut things off kids “
Circumcision is literally cutting things off babies
I bet he supports surgery on intersex infants as well
And yet hardly anyone is against circumcision. I am because it's done without consent, unfortunately a lot of parents have it done anyway
@@crystlelakefarm1254Depends a lot on the country though, in Europe for example circumcision is quite rare, and I don't personally know anyone who has been circumcised or had it done to their kids.
Yeah, these people only care about """genital mutilation""" when it's trans people getting GCS/SRS and have absolutely no interest in surgeries done on intersex babies, female circumcisions (not widely practiced but absolutely terrifying and DOES happen to women primarily in African countries), or male circumcisions which are WILDLY popular in America and which a lot of guys attest they wish their parents hadn't done to them. All three of those are Literal genital mutilation that happens to real children, where, largely, gender confirmation surgeries aren't done until mid-late teens at the earliest. GCS simply isn't happening for kids under 15 in most cases. I'm sure there may be a few outlier cases of a transmascs getting early top surgery, but I am almost 100% certain that no doctor across the entirety of the U.S. would perform bottom surgery on a minor unless they had actively malicious intentions.
Again, just another example of how this conversation has nothing to do with any social justice or fighting for the rights of children, the wellbeing of women, the overall benefit of society or any of the other blankets they try to throw over this "political debate," it always boils down to just pure transphobia. Often mixed with ableism, eugenics, racism, and misogyny to boot, almost all of which we saw in this Jubilee vid!! Yayyyy conservatism.
Personally I am American and have no clue if it it better or worse but I do see how cosmetic surgery on a baby could be bad
18:54 I’m sorry, but did he apologize for deadnaming a social media platform? And him being conservative leads me to believe that he’d gladly deadname his children. But a social media platform? Nah, he’s got standards
@OdinsSage and are perfectly fine using she/her pronouns for said cars.
@@watcherfox9698fun story, I named my car a masculine name, and made a little point to correct mechanics who called him "her".
(It didn't ever genuinely upset me or anything- I just had fun drawing attention to their unnecessary gendering of my vehicle)
@@watcherfox9698
CONSERVATIVE LOGIC:
Car-"She"
Gun-"She"
Boat-"She"
Trans Woman-"He"
like wtf the boat gets more respect than a literal HUMAN BEING?
@@sammypicker Answer: yes, they have more respect for a boat than they have for a trans woman.
Definitely, they do.
@@sammypickerno it’s the fact we’re forced to use pronouns because if we don’t you throw a tantrum and cry like you lost your dog. That’s a you issue. It’s time to grow up
That's quite the tell that Jubilee phrases the discussion as "should minors be allowed transition" and then instantly conflates transition with medical transition. How can it be a debate if one side is being misrepresented before the conversation even starts?
And also, the way they enable the disrespectful conversations(constantly interrupting, speaking over, generally bad behavior) is really telling imo.
@@Dragonkitty_101It's so frustrating the way they're letting the one guy run roughshod over everyone else.
@@katphish30 Agreed. His behavior is disgusting.
Once in a while, Jubilee will fact-check or expand upon the participants' claims, but the vast majority of the time, the participants are just able to shoot their mouths off as they please. This means that one party citing a robust peer-reviewed study will sound the same to the untrained ear as the opposing party who cites crap that's already been debunked or critiqued by the experts.
@OdinsSage totally agree. you can see the same pattern in all their other videos including marginalized communities. gay liberals vs gay conservatives, black liberals vs black conservatives, trans liberals vs trans conservatives, womens issues ect. i highly doubt they actually care about opening up a conversation.
He corrected himself when he called X "Twitter" but calling someone by their correct pronouns is too much. 🙄🙄🙄
We all know it's a matter of their own bigotry and discomfort
Oh, I dare say he's a Musk fan. He sounds the type.
I was thinking about that too - like if they can learn to call Twitter X, they can learn to use someone's pronouns and name. >:V
lmao i caught that too, he corrected himself really quick as welll
ugh literally. won't deadname elons passion project but sees no issue misgendering trans people
“You shouldn’t be able to get surgery for body dysmorphia” but yet it exists and nobody is making it illegal to get lipo or a nose job….
That, yes, also, and does nobody see the incredibly dangerous slippery slope that is created when we declare that people shouldn't be able to dictate or determine the state of their own bodies?
@@dinosaysrawr seriously. The number of people who build their entire focus of life on religion and what they don’t know is amazing. The state SHOULD NOT have any say on if a person transitions or not at any age, that is theirs and their families concern alone. It’s wild that we think anyone knows better than almost every health organization in the world
@@thelc5492 , the state's role is to prevent and address outright abuse, exploitation, fraud, criminal negligence, criminal neglect, and the like, in my view. Otherwise, bodily autonomy and the right to self-actualization and self-determination should be treated as sacrosanct, except in cases where the particular expression of these rights might unduly threaten the rights, safety, and well-being of others.
@dinosaysrawr remember, the people pushing anti trans laws see no issue with them (cis, white xtian nem) dictating what people do with their bodies.
it should be illegal for children under 18
As a trans minor, that video hurt me so much to watch. I believe that if it's my body and my life then I should be able to transition and finally be happy. I find it absolutely terrifying and worrying that I still have years to go before I can be who I want and how I want to go about it. Although, watching it with Jammi's commentary makes it all the much better as I feel respected and represented.
Thank you Jammi for all you do!
Hang in there! You are who you are, and you have the right to exist. You do exist. Just know that for every bigot or hater, there is someone who understands and accepts you.
Stay strong! We can’t let them win, living is the best thing you can do right now
I am so sorry that your existence is framed as a "politically charged" issue, with reasonable people on both sides. I'm sorry that whether or not to give trans people the support they need is even up for debate.
You deserve better than that.
😮@@AlexsGoogleAccount
Because you are not owed happiness by life? You live the whole experiences good, bad and ugly then you die. 😃 we are not in eden anymore.
???? They are still minors bruh. It makes me 🤢, just thinking about how easy a child is to brainwash. Even hitler himself said, give me a child and he will be mine forever. And one of my own friends me a minor and it a minor, repeated all the time that I was something I wasn't. Almost brainwashing due to repetition. I was called an old soul, and even I almost lost myself to the noise. I was first aware at four. Imagine the future where a kid can decide to have relations with adults. Soon... 👹 My true (self) soul saved me, viscerally against any participation or medical "aid" to "trans" feds (kids). Also I got demon experience on par with the Warrens and Soul sense, when I encountered one at a fast food drive thru. I sensed brain sickness. So I always recommend getting help. 🤷♀️ Instead of feeding into the delusion.
Turns out the slippery slope was real, waiting for the pedo and zoo DLC. 😋
I think the question should be “Do you believe that trans people have the right to be a part of society and not vilified, ostracized or demonized? Why?”
Should be pinned to top^^^^
Yes! I think this question would have brought much insight
Well-stated! The framing of questions is one of my issues with Jubilee. My thought is participants should submit questions/statements on the topic, moderator draws questions randomly for the panel to respond. They’d be discussing their own thoughts in their own words, rather than an imposed framework.
Edit: what if people didn’t announce what side they’re on at the start? I think it’s helpful to decouple POVs from labels. Otherwise you get snap judgments from people trying to fit in with their “tribe”.
Trans adults are different then kids still growing....
Absolutely---and if anyone balks, stammers, or says, "well, yes, but..." the host hits a big game show buzzer. :D
I'm not trans, but I didn't realize I was Ace until I was in my 30's and that was because a friend almost a decade younger than me told me about it. Seriously, things are going to become more prevalent just because people now have the words to describe it. It was always there, people just didn't have the words to tell you.
*aren't
Sorry it's a important error in context of your comment.
This! I'm abrosexual (essentially the genderfluid of sexual/romantic orientation). It took me so long to understand my sexuality because I was never told people like me exist. It's only thanks to the internet I even know there are others like me.
I had a similar issue. I didn't know what Aro Ace was until I was 28, and spent my whole life thinking something was wrong with me.
@@fallenking578 Same here
I just assumed I must've been lying to myself or whatnot.
This issue has always existed. 30 years ago in my late teens I was struggling enormously with my sexuality. Do I like boys or do I like girls? How do I pick? I finally explained to a friend and she said, "Maybe you are bisexual?" And my response was, "Like Liberace?!?" But I was so unfamiliar with the term and idea of bisexuality that it had never occurred to me. Did my friend make me bi? Of course not. But even a tiny, tiny bit of education opened the door for me to allow me to realize who I was and always had been.
Okay, so here's the thing. Even assuming "biologically you can't change " which is debatable, but even assuming it is true. It still hurts no one to let people live as what you perceive to be the opposite gender. I just listen to their arguments and am like, everything they say is completely irrelevant to the situation. Like, why are you trying so hard to make people you've never met unhappy?
even the "biologically you can't change" thing is like. so buried if you get past basic biology and introduce the ways that chromosomes and hormones can be varied from person to person; like for instance, I'm transmasc but I've yet to be on hormones however I still have facial hair as a result of abnormally high natural testosterone due to PCOS; which makes me technically intersex despite being AFAB and having all those parts. as well, hormones can also control bone structure to a degree so chemically changing yourself would change some things biologically
I struggle so much with them acting like they care, saying "it's a mental illness, these people need medical help", but then ignoring the fact that transitioning and living the way they want with their own identity is the help they need. It is literally the help from medical professionals that they are pretending to advocate for. Every single one of these people that I have spoken to or debated ignores facts and would rather listen to some idiot like Peterson than people who are actually educated and capable. They garnish that by misrepresenting studies because they know that in the moment you cannot read and examine the study to see that they're misrepresenting it. It's so frustrating that their whole viewpoint is based off of willful ignorance and they still can't figure out how wrong they are.
See, your argument is exactly the kind I would've wanted to make, and it frustrates me SO MUCH that no one pointed that out.
Sadly that is the point. They want to hurt people that are not like them. They want to control those who are different than them. It is the worst most disgusting part of transphobia.
Some people are so braindead, and they eschew critical thinking skills in favor of accepting spoon-fed information from the Daily Wire.
god it pisses me off so much how jubilee doesn't even try to moderate the debate. it's not hard to correctly gender someone and blatantly refusing to respect someone really betrays a lack of intellectual honesty.
That moderation made me angry.
1. He didn't establish any baseline definitions or facts to frame the discussion.
2. He asked many leading questions.
3. Positing whether minors are mature enough to make life-altering decisions without clarifying what "life-altering decisions" are relevant to the discussion is extremely problematic.
4. Closing with "clearly we all have our own biases" is insulting as Hell.
5. Even if it was somehow appropriate to allow misgendering someone, it was clearly unproductive for the conversation and he should have nipped it right away.
They almost never moderate the discussions. I think i have only seen it once or twice.
That guy was being such a d. He wasnt even making any new arguments, or being consistent with the topic. Just "blah blah blah BIOLOGY (lies)" consistently on repeat.
Yall need to get over the misgendering shit. People will never stop so roll with it.
@XXIXXIIXXXXIIIXXX If someone called him Ma'am, any rational person would find that disrespectful. and he would have thrown a fit.
its not that hard to not be a total asshole.
though judging by your other comments, you are pretty blatantly transphobic anyways.
@@XXIIXIIIXXXIXXXIXThat's like telling me that I should get over people calling me the hard r because it's a fact that you can't stop somebody from saying certain things.
I have a massive amount of respect for the fact that you can listen to anti-trans rhetoric and respond with such intelligent, eloquently stated, restrained arguments disproving it point for point. I get so angry watching these types of things that I can't even think straight. So so glad that you keep making these videos. Thank you.
Every time I watch these videos I’m baffled by how you, a trans person, are more patient with these guys than me, a cis person.
Jamie has a heart of gold, I would lose my shit in an instant with these people, I'm non-binary myself
Its honestly funny as fuck to see the transphobe refered to a non-outed trans woman on the show as a women but when the woman who is outlined as trans he misgenders them and the girl outed herself as trans the guy is just contemplating his life then.
Jamie is just naturally a really cool person. Despite all the hate, he's trying to understand and trying to communicate with anybody who can be reached.
It's because it's common for anyone non-cis. We deal with it daily sadly. It's no surprise to us anymore, and it's mainly directed at us, our friends, and chosen family. We've heard it all and it's just reality for us. You get used to hearing it because it happens so much and is everywhere. I'm not trans, I'm Agender, but I have a ton of close friends that are trans and friends in general who are. But you know, people like this aren't just coming after trans people, it's all non-cis people. I stand up for all identities though. People should feel comfortable in their body regardless who they are!
Doesn't make it any better, but that's just the sad reality of it. Doesn't mean we don't fight like hell though :P
As someone who is Genderfluid, I'd say it's because we're used to it. We've heard it dozens of times before, we're mostly inured to it. Every time this comes up, we look into it because this is important to us and we need to know, so we're exposed to this kind of thing a lot. I think seeing what you get out of it is important.
For instance, I was interested in the opinions of the undecided, and that 2 of the 3 were swayed to the conservative side mostly because of scary stories. The default position does seem to be "do nothing", which is why conservatives have an advantage in discussions like this (and why we need to point out that allowing puberty to happen also has permanent consequences). They can talk about the BS they read about on social media, divorced of context (like, say, parental custody) and it's harder to debunk than it is to recite your vague memories of a short, memorable statement on social media (and everyone does this to some extent, but some statements are more accurate than others). I found it fascinating from that perspective, and it gives insight into the work we have to do.
I think we have to keep pointing out (quickly) that these statements are inaccurate and rebuff their talking points. If we rebuff them enough (and do so convincingly), we may make them seem unreliable sources to the undecided.
I'd advise taking your anger and looking up some of this stuff that dude cited. Anger often motivates us to act, and not knowing what to do with our anger can be aggravating. Take these talking points, look them up, find out how they've been debunked, and you might find a good outlet for your anger.
Otherwise, finding good ways to cool down can help. Try not to lash out, as it rarely helps. Instead, find ways to calm down, or find things to do that seem helpful, or step away if it gets to be too much. I had to do that recently, there's no shame in stepping away when it gets to be too much to handle.
The doctor that Arthur is talking about who apparently got arrested. He got it all wrong, it was the father who was trying to deny his son's transition who got arrested in BC
My toddler decided to come out as trans. I will be supportive of their decision.
I am not surprised
well it was more contempt of court than "got arrested". He was fundraising off his son medical records, naming doctors etc. which the Judge already told him to not do
@@TransKidsMafia stop spamming this. how could they tell you this, when they're at most 3 years old? also, your only video's name states that your cats are trans and had bottom surgery. how did they tell you this, when they're biologically incapable of learning any language, written or spoken?
@@omegaSomeonemy dude, it's a troll account
6 years into my transition and my only regret is not starting sooner.
The massive improvement in my mental health not only helped my physical health but also improved my marks in university and my overall performance in things
So very happy for you, love! From a proud mom to ftm teen😘💖🤍💙🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
Congrats! I don't think I am Trans, but I am recently questioning my gender identity and sexuality a lot. It's scary, but I feel good just asking these questions. Until now, I've kind of felt like I did not have any identity. I'm not where I feel like I should be yet, but I'm making progress.
So happy to hear someone made the change they needed and are happy about it.
I’m so happy for you! I’m glad your transition is great :)
@@arkainin4638It definitely is scary questioning your sexuality, but definitely worth the hassle, living as your true self, wether that’s a trans man, trans woman, cis woman, cis man, non binary, or anything in between, is definitely one of the greatest feelings, I wish you the nothing but the best on your journey and hope you can find who you are 🫶🫶
do you eat mud? i like mud/ i really like mud. mud killed my sister
I grew up in the middle of nowhere. Less than 800 people, nearest neighbor was a mile away. I had no clue what transgender meant. My dad was born in 1923 and I had heard him use the T slur, but just figured that was for people who dress in drag.
As a result I thought I was mentally ill. Multiple personality disorder or something. At age eight I started battling with internalize hatred. I couldn’t understand what was wrong with me. I became introverted and depressed. I spent years and years praying for life to end. Growing up in church I know ending my life was wrong. Yet when I reached adulthood and started a family, it didn’t improve. I decided that once my youngest was 18 I would end it all. This made my children’s life horrible as well.
2020 hit and the world was in chaos and I was asked what was my biggest regret “Not being myself.” I was asked to explain. This is when I was finally told that I wasn’t crazy. I was in my 40’s and finally understood what I was feeling. I started my medical transition in 2021 and my life has totally changed for the better. Now I am totally outgoing and loving life.
I hear you as your second paragraph pretty much explains my experience but without the starting a family bit as I found out was infertile and I avoided the church, for it to have been in my forties that I learned what it was I had been feeling, to there, act on it, but before that happened I too determined to end my life.
That sounds extremely difficult! I'm happy that you are finally loving life and being yourself.
Oof, I was in a pretty similar vein, but thankfully a friend taught me that being trans doesn't mean you're a child raping predator, and from that point on I did everything I could to transition. Feeling so much better now.
Regardless, happy for you to finally live as your true self, hun 💜Better late than never!
And transphobes will still say “you will regret it”
***Bleep*** me! Lets hold a vote about whether the way people feel about themselves is valid. Kudos to you Jamie for keeping calm. I'm 31 minutes in and I'm already mad, and I'm not trans.
I feel so bad for the trans folks present in the room having to listen to all that crap the one bald person is shoving onto them
Trying to have conversations with people who speak and behave like that older conservative dude is impossible, and infuriating. I don’t even try anymore. Jammi, your voice is so soothing. I kept getting mad at him, and then when you comment, my rage just melts away. I bet you’re great at conflict de-escalation.
Yeah, when somebody's deliberately and repeatedly misgendering a trans person, that's a sign that their bigotry isn't coming from a place of ignorance; it's coming from a place of hatred.
@@sushiroll3795 yes. The hate for trans people is worse and more important than the snark, and inability to listen or empathize, talking over people, and being so invested in control he can’t functionally communicate.
15:00 the interaction of "yeah she" "he" "she uses she/her" "he" just goes to show they're just like kids trying to annoy everyone by just saying the opposite of whatever the truth is without argumenting at all. Like she was calmly correcting him and stating a fact and he just goes "I don't care about facts I'm just gonna say the same thing over and over again until you give up" like it's any sort of useful during a debate or conversation... Truly pathetic
Ah! The Chewbacca defense!
It's what my mom does to me about trans people
I'm pretty sure actual children know better than that.
As a trans minor, yes I think I should be allowed to take estrogen and eat Blåhaj for lunch and spin in a skirt.
In all seriousness though, we do need more awareness of trans kids and more protection for us.
No don’t eat Blåhaj, He is our guardian Shork from IKEA.
Eat Blåhaj? No! *Hugs Blåhaj* Bad, bad Maple, bad!
Beyond that though, indeed, if trans kids can't be trusted with their identity, why can cis kids? By their logic, everyones puberty should be blocked indefinitely.
dont eat Blåhaj, hug Blåhaj
Yeah, everyone treats "do nothing" as the safest action, but puberty is permanent, and often, so are the consequences of untreated gender dysphoria. We acknowledge that failure to act with every other condition can result in life-altering consequences, but fail to see that with gender identity.
I wish there were more interventions in the case of unaccepting parents, but we need to defeat the culture of parental ownership of kids first as well as educate about the risks of denying a kid's gender identity. Parents are guardians and have *custody* of their kids, and that can (and should) be revoked if it's demonstrated that they are abusing or neglecting their kids. I think parents should be given the chance to change their minds and change course, but in case of absolute intransigence and unwillingness to consider the harm they might be doing, then we need to protect the kid from the parent.
@@KrimsonKattYTso, if giving hormones is illegal than why isn’t all puberty before 18 illegal? Oh, yeah, that’s right, we believe cisgender kids, but not trans kids. If you honestly believe people those ages are unable to make life changing decisions, then we should disbelieve cis kids as much as we do trans kids.
I’m a trans minor myself, and it’s genuinely a scary experience to be existing right now. I feel like I can’t turn around without seeing a politician, journalist, celebrity, random loser with a platform having a “debate” about me, my family, my community, and my doctors. It’s pretty easy to tell that everything they’re saying is wrong, but what can I do?
Just know that there are a lot of people out there who love you for who you are and support you. For every bigot there is someone who either simply does not care one way or the other, or who actively supports you.
You have a right to exist, you do exist, and as someone who struggled with a lot of phobia in my life, who was never a bigot, but certainly more conservative at one point in time, I can say that most of the hate comes from fear. It's not about you, it's their issue.
I was raised during the era when the F-Slur was just a random thing to say. And to call someone gay was a generic insult, or to mean bad. My Dad was super phobic, but not hateful. And my Mom, while caring and kind, 100% had the whole religious brainwashing thing going on. That primed me to be very uncomfortable with anything LGBTQ+
It took until my mid-20s to start changing my mind. That came through exposure to alternative stories, and people, and generally feeling more comfortable with my hang-ups. Playing female characters in video games, enjoying LGBTQ+ books and films, and anime was a big one, all helped make me more tolerant.
The point is that I think most people are just uncomfortable with themselves due to how they were raised. But once they know you, see you, they'll change their tune.
You can't do anything about the die-hard bigots, but simply existing and being yourself will change minds. I wish you did not have to change them in the first place.
I was a trans minor once upon a time. I came out as trans at 16 and I'm now 39. I can tell you that yes, things are scary right now politically and it's very much no fun having our rights be debated by everyone, who all haven't the slightest understanding of trans issues but feel they have an opinion people need to hear.
In some sense, it was better when the cis weren't obsessed but actually most people are great and supportive and open to learning.
There used to be a PSA campaign of "It gets better" aimed at reminding LGBT teenagers that high school is not real life, convincing them to stick it out until graduation. It sucks to see people debating trans existence and rights online but if you don't want to engage, it's also pretty easy to do something else. Adult bullies exist but not like school. In college and jobs, people have their own things going on and nobody is obsessed with other people's lives like they are in high school.
You can make it. I believe in you.
I carry a knife with me at all times for this very reason. The law won't protect me, so I'm under no obligation to follow it.
You’re absolutely valid, and know there are so many people out there fighting for your rights. I came out as bi at 13 and then nonbinary at 16, and started medically transitioning (ftx) at 23. I’ve had top surgery and I’ve been on t for 3 years now. Life does get better, and even if you feel like you’re in a place where you’re forced to go through the “wrong” puberty know that even though you may have to go through a second one later on, the results are still life changing and life affirming. ❤
We'll all get through this. The history of progress shows that on a long enough timeline, society as a whole trends toward more freedom and more acceptance😊
It used to be controversial for women to work and vote, it used to be controversial for interracial marriages, it used to be controversial to even come out as gay, and in every instance where people fought for their rights to exist and be happy there were people just like the bald conservative in that video who tried to stop them.
And over the years and decades WE won and they lost on every one of those issues. The future is so bright for us! Take care🤗❤
I absolutely love when people bring up the left hand or (devils hands) situation where they was forced to write with their right hands but then the rate of left handed people went higher not because it was a trend but because it became more acceptable and people were able to use their left hand without criticism.
My 13 yo daughter’s friend group are all little queerlets. Her Bestie is a trans boy with conservative parents. The teachers were misgendering him, so half the school started using only they/them pronouns for everyone in every context. I found out about this middle-school protest by proofreading a paper where she used they/them for Todd and Mary Lincoln. They’re so mature, supportive and open about about it, but it also seems like they’re doing less actual sex than my generation. The kids are alright. It’s these old bigots that are a problem.
I'm trans but my mid teens son is cis. A few years ago I noticed him using they/them even for people where he 100% knew their gender. (Mostly cis people.) I asked him why and he shrugged and said, "Everyone is a they/them. Just seems easier." My little gender anarchist! Kids these days are great.
You're 100% spot on. It's disturbing how many CONGRESSMEN think you can "hold in" a period, or that women have them by choice. It's insane how stupid some older folks are.
@@CorwinFound I'm cis, but I have a lot of trans and queer coworkers, and it's just a sort of general practice to use they/them as a default. Not enforced by any means, but it's just what people tend to do and I've found myself doing the same. I use she/her pronouns, but I don't feel misgendered by somebody referring to me as "they". I don't feel specifically affirmed by it, so I wouldn't say I go by they/them or she/they pronouns, but it's just neutral to me. At work, everybody pretty much knows each other's pronouns, but it's a big department, and just like your son said, they/them is just easier a lot of the time lol.
Another of my friends, who I know from a completely separate context from my workplace, uses he/him pronouns, and he says that somebody saying "they" in reference to him doesn't mean they aren't referring to him as "he", they're just using a neutral term. To me, it's not really any different from calling my brother my "sibling" or calling a woman a "person". There are some people who only identify with or feel comfortable with neutral language, and of course that's valid too, but neutral language is just so versatile and I like that it's becoming a more com
My toddler decided to come out as trans. I will be supportive.
that is an adorable term and i love it
People bring this up (against me) in unrelated conversations, and it’s clear that hormone blockers are safe, and provide opportunity for anyone who feels they are on that spectrum. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m sick of having other peoples situations weaponized against me because how I “appear” a certain way, even if I’m not.
Basically, all I’m saying is that the opposition needs to stop politicizing people based on their own biases.
My niece first came out when she was 7, she had already had typically girls toys and liked to dress up as a girl at every opportunity. We thought she was just a very feminine gay boy, which was the closest identity box we knew of at the time. Anyway at 7 she was secure enough to tell her mum (my fantastic sister in law) and wanted to change her name and identify as a girl. Immediately it made sense to all of us, my sister in law came to us for advice and we suggested general acceptance, but to talk to the Dr and the school. Her dad struggled to accept it at first but soon realised his daughter, whom he loved, was a girl even though he didn’t necessarily understand it.
8 years later my niece has been under the care of the gender clinic for 7 years and only now, after years of consistent identity with lots of psychiatric care she’s only just staring hormone treatment. If she were able to access surgery prior to 18 I would have no problem with it in her case and nor would her mum and more importantly than our opinions, it’s what she wants.
If I hadn’t experienced it personally I would have thought a hard limit of 18 on irreversible surgery would be completely sensible, but I would have been wrong. Medical decisions shouldn’t be subject to arbitrary limits, especially ones based on prejudice. Medical decisions should be evidence based and personalised
GG
I hate how this only has 45 likes and two replies.
Thanks for being such a supportive family member. The reality is that how supportive family is around a trans person is the single biggest determining factor on the trans person's mental health. I know that you didn't do math on this; you love your niece and so you supported her. But know that it wasn't just the _right_ thing to do, it was also the psychologically correct thing to do for her health.
"medical decisions should be evidence based and personalised"
Thats such a concise way to say it thank you for giving me some words to say!
This is incredibly wholesome
We need more mothers like the one who supported her trans children.
It feels like such a small ask, but being kind and supportive goes a long way.
Jamie, being British has given you godly patience. My Texan transfemme self would be *screaming*
Same. I'm busting through the screen to deck That Guy
On the distinction between illness and condition: pregnancy is not an illness, but it does need treatment. Contrastingly, we wouldn't say a fish has an illness because it can't live in a tree. Being trans is not an illness because it is not a result of disorder in the individual, but conflict between themselves and an intolerant world; the same way disability would be a non-issue in a world that is accommodating, transness is not an illness in a world that allows it. We must, however, choose to create that world.
Truth! 💖
YES!
Our medical model should not need to define someone as sick before they can start being treated. Your pregnancy example makes that very clear.
much like adhd
Thank you for stating this in such a clear and concise way. This is exactly the line of thinking I had while listening to that part of the video.
in all technicalities, a fetus is a parasite.
As a transgender woman, I wish I had been on hormone blockers during puberty. I don't see any reason to gatekeep children from something totally reversable. If you decide to stop taking them, you will start your puberty all the same.
Not to intercept, I agree, and I would assume that transitioning would feel more natural avoiding the initial body dysmorphia that comes with puberty. Progression helps us all.
I also just want to tell you I love you. Thank you for speaking about your experience!
@@pourmepourmeanother*gender dysphoria not body dismorphia (:
@@pourmepourmeanother In my experiance I would feel more comfortable if I didn't go through a male puberty and just went through the female puberty I'm on now. However, I know plenty of trans individuals in the non-binary spectrum who want it all or don't care.
@@This_dumb_m3n It can be both, or either. I think the phrasing was based on context.
@@ThatFont No, dysmorphia is its own thing. Dysphoria refers to discomfort with one's own body. Dysmorphia is a skewed perception of one's body. Dysphoria is treated by accepting the identity and transitioning. Dysmorphia (especially body dysmorphia) is an obsessive compulsive disorder that needs to be treated by addressing the misperception.
If those with dysmorphia go through with their desired changes, they may never be happy with their changes. On the other hand, those with gender dysphoria are (with very few exceptions) generally very happy with their transitions, and complaints are usually around social acceptance, botched procedures, or (in rare cases) misunderstanding of one's gender identity.
Now, I'm not a real doctor (it's just a username folks), so please forgive any inaccuracies, but this is my understanding of the difference between the two terms. Though Dysmorphia and Dysphoria can appear similar on first glance (and even some trans people have conflated the two!), they are two very different things.
I am a minor living with my parents, and I've been on testosterone for a year! My parents have both said that they've noticed that my mood and wellbeing have improved drastically since I started, and I'm a lot happier with myself in general. I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life since I started T and I'm endlessly grateful that my parents and siblings support me and have helped me become who I really am. Thanks for talking about the facts, Jamie! A lot of your videos on stuff like this actually helped my parents do research prior to me starting T
Omg I'm so happy for you! I found out today that I can't start hrt until I'm 18, which really sucks! One of the reasons I I'm so excited to get a job is because I could start T earlier than I thought!! Alas, being a dwarf shall have to wait :(
I'm so happy for you!! That's so awesome, I'm glad your parents are so supportive of you.
Nice! My parents are supportive, but I live in a state where I cannot legally get any form of hrt or anything, and it's been causing quite a bit of pain, not being able to get estrogen. Being stuck as a boy is awful.
I'm so glad you have supportive parents! Give them a hug from me, a mom with a son who knows that he's safe at home no matter what. He's cis as far as I know, but he has friends who are not as welcome in their own homes. He knows that if there is ever a friend in need of a temp safe space, I'm here.
His compassion is off the charts. Prob'ly the one thing in my life that I did right. ❤
@redbirb I'm so glad you have such supportive family and I'm so sorry your state is getting in the way of your complete happiness. Just hang in there and know that things will get better. Hopefully the world will not always be this way.
Sending biggest hugs
💜🌻🕊
The closed captions wrote "miners" every time you said "minors" and this has tickled me immensely.
Let's get kids out of mines and transitioning to life above ground!
Fascinating video Jamie, thank you for your input
You know, it makes me really angry when people tell me, a 16 yo, that I'm not old enough to know that I NEED a mastectomy - I've been needing it for about 5 years, it really makes my quality of life worse because I can't (or at least nearly can't) do so many things I so deeply long to do, i.e. jogging, swimming, cuddeling with or hugging people, h*ll, WEARING A F*CKING SHIRT. I deserve to enjoy my life and it fills me with a deep wrath that the leaders of the country I live in have the power to tell me otherwise.
(sorry if there are any grammatical errors in this - english is not my first language)
Yeah, I understand saying, take some time to get informed and think it over. Surgery is a big deal. But when you’ve known for years, it’s your body your decision. It should be entirely between you and your health care team.
I’ve been involving myself with info about LGBTQI+ for the last 5 years or so…at the time I was in my 20s, what I discovered so far about myself is this: I am cis and hetero.
I understood myself better and I could start empathizing with those who are in that community.
It’s that easy, you just have to be willing to listen and learn.
High fives for our cishet allies! 💜
I am also a Cis and hetero, and I also learning a lot about it, Ik helps me also to become more Compassionate toward any group of people. Yet I discovered also something new about myself and I am now 50 years old, so never to old to discover new things about yourself as well. and that is that I am probably demi-sexual, still exploring that part of me. But I do Love how this kind of Information broaden my understanding about myself and the world and other people in it. Its Awe inspiring I must say.
Absolutely. Nobody should be forced to live as someone they're not. And the fact more people have the language to understand themselves is so extremely important. It took me 30 years to figure out I was agender. I'd always known I didn't fit as a girl and that I wasn't a boy. But I never had the words to understand exactly how I felt. I must just be a girl. I've had two kids. Still never really felt like woman was correct for me. And then I stumbled across Jaime and Shabba's video responding to JKR's transphobic essay. At one point they asked if you'd still identify as your gender if you didn't have a physical body. And suddenly all the pieces fell into place for me and I understood that I just didn't have an innate sense of gender. So thank you Jamie. Just understanding that I don't have a gender has made me so much more comfortable and confident in my body and myself. ❤
The not identiting as your AGAB if you didn't have a physical body is such a good way to put it! And sometimes I doubt myself because I know I want to be mom one day, but I don't think it should factor into at all! I'm happy you could figure yourself out even if it took you a long time.
It's on a similar level of abhorrent as South Koreans being forced to suppress their culture when South Korea was under Japanese rule.
God jubilee really frustrates me. They act like their channel is all about spreading love and understanding and yet their giving a large platform to people like the bald man who are just blatantly transphobic. Plus a lot of their debate type videos like this have a lot of misinformation spouted by the people debating with no rebuttal.🤦
From what I've seen from Jubilee, it seems like they are just closeted, right-wing schills, masquerading as liberal-ish. I find their fake reasonableness, and pretend progressiveness, to be annoying as hell.
I totally agree that although these conversations can be important, platforming people who are going to be hateful, misgendering, and fearmongering the entire time is extremely irresponsible. I assume (or at least hope) the trans people knew what they were getting into, but I don't think it was necessary to have people that are this hateful and clearly know nothing about trans people. I wish that they had some type of panel that were experts and could point out the misinformation, or at least put up text on the screen refuting the misinformation (they sometimes have this) more often. There were several bs states cited here that should have been refuted on screen.
I am so sick of cis straight men telling me, a cis woman that Dylan is a mockery to women. It's the same vibe as everyone saying matt rife is hot being a cis straight male. stay in your lane and stop telling us what we are supposed to find offensive or like. Dylan is a delight. She's the embodiment of the drunk girls you find in the club bathroom, but she's not drunk: she's just kind and happy.
I don't think I've come across a single cis woman who hates trans people in real life or in comment sections. It's always been men. Pretty sure they're just terrified of THE SCARY SCARY GAYYYYYYY OH NOOOO~
It's absolutely bizarre. They need to chill :\
LITERALLYYY its ALWAYS the men telling women how they should feel!!! And they think they're helping women!
I don't follow Dylan personally but have definitely seen her videos pop up on youtube every now and then and I can't understand how anyone could hate this women. She's literally a smiley, happy person living her life and sharing her experiences and this somehow enrages people!?!?
@@kirsty735 I know right??? People _hate_ it when people are happy in the ‘wrong’ way. It’s all jealousy if you ask me
@@roundhouse2616Exactly. Dylan is just out there, living her life in the way that makes her most happy, and they're miserable because they spend all their mental energy getting worked up about how much they hate trans people.
Hey all! Reminder as Christmas is coming up to stay safe! If you're going to be with transphobic family, be sure people know, and that you have a safe place to go to if need be, whether that's a friend, other family member, LGBTQIA+ advocates, or even your local youth pastor. Stay safe, and know you are loved!
God bless! 💜
Thank you! I wish my Christian Family could accept me so easily.
@@LegorocketsAnimation I'm sorry you've got that to deal with. :/ I'm not out to my family as it's not super safe, although I no longer live with them. Please look after yourself and know you're loved. 😊💚
I'm pansexual. 45 years old. I didn't know what being gay or a lesbian was until I was 13. Bisexual, 19. Pansexual, somewhere in my 30s. So of course growing up, I couldn't have come out as pansexual, I didn't know what that was. I wouldn't have come out in the 80s or 90s regardless, probably given the stigma.
Sexuality is not the same as Gender Identity.
@@allyjay7395 I think the point the OP was trying to make is that the knowledge at that time of other sexuality and gender identity was very limited and not as accepting which is why people did not come out at that time. Now that the OP and other people have learned more terms for different sexualities and gender identities, more people can come out because they have the proper words to communicate what they are feeling.
@@allyjay7395true, but there's a similar need of exploration and discovery about it, and i say that as a bisexual demigender, i first had to explore my sexuality and a few years after i had the same experience while understanding my gender, their argument is completely valid, i didn't know anything about gender until as a bisexual i explored what it means to be lgbt and got accustomed to a lot of terms and definitions i have no clue existed before, and that helped me understand my gender identity.
@@allyjay7395 I never said it was. My point is if you don't have a name for what you are or how you're feeling, you're not going to be able to know what you are. This is in response to the notion that there are more trans people today than in the past.
At 14 I learned what most of it was, turned out I was bi
It i found out at 45, i would have probably turned out bi at 45
I believe there should be horomone blockers available to kids! It’s not medically transitioning really, and can be easily reversed. 👍
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Agreed
True
What age would you consider they should medically transition? 🤔
@@SeinIshamiado Please clarify what you mean by "medically". Are you talking about surgery? Puberty blockers? Hormone therapy?
I know so many nonbinary Gen Xers and younger Boomers*. (Gen X started turning 58 this year.) They didn't just abruptly decide that because of social media. Social media showed them there was a name for the way they always felt. It's no different for kids growing up with social media, they're just learning about these things earlier in life.
*And a few binary trans people who started to transition in their 40s or 50s. It's not too late.
just to add on, just knowing there are people out there like that does not mean you’ll automatically connect the dots and realize that’s you. i had been a pro-trans ally since i was in middle school, and it took a decade before i even thought about which pronouns i liked. sometimes it takes a while for your egg to crack
Yes, there's a lot of us. I know people in their 70s realising their identity in an authentic way for the first time and it's bringing them so much peace, joy and comfort. We can see the enormous value in young people coming to that much earlier in their lives. 🌈
@@linden5165 One of my friends started in her 50s and is now in her early 60s. She was a miserable person the whole time I knew her until then, but now she's really living for the first time.
My mom only this year started to realize she might be nonbinary (she uses she/her for now). She's 58, knew her whole life she picked to be female solely because if she said anything else her mother would beat her, but now has truly felt safe enough to explore herself (her mother recently died so she no longer has to fear her). She also realized she was bi (,had multiple crushes on other women but it never really sunk in that she could be bi because of the threats of violence in her life). Now she's trying to live openly and talk about it so other over 50s can see it's not too late to realize stuff. We only have a small group in my town right now, but maybe one day we can start a proper LGBTQ+ support group here
Yep. Generation X here (54) and I finally got the terminology to call myself genderqueer or genderfluid at 38. Knew I was different since age 6. So yes, the people who are older didn't have the awareness or words when we were younger. ❤
He really said “years in the future they will call your bones a specific way” and was told “hi I’m actually an anthropologist and study bones we already don’t use those terms as factually they aren’t always accurate” and thought “that’s irrelevant” was a good response. It is not irrelevant for someone in the field your talking about giving the facts about literally what you just said
At 11 years old I said I never wanted to see my biological father again and I got a restraining order and stopped seeing him. I had blocked out the trauma and abusive things he had done and finally remembered them years later. But I still decided I never wanted to see him again at 11. That was life altering and life changing. But nobody said I couldn’t make that decision? In fact my family knew I could make that decision and was worried the courts wouldn’t listen to me.
43:10 “they are not being treated for the autism”
I’m sorry what? I’ve had people try to fix my autism enough that I’d get along in normal society (not to say that it worked but still) and I’m very trans, they tried to fix both. And if you think autism can be treated with a pill you’re confused on what autism is. It’s a brain having different wiring, not treatable like depression has with certain medicine . Anyway thanks Jamie for standing up for me and other autistics as well as trans people
Update: adjusted facts as I have been told that my info is wrong
I agree with you, but depression is not caused by a chemical imbalance, that's been debunked for years.
@@robokill387 good to know, thanks. Do you have a source so I can update it?
@robokill387
No depression is caused by a chemical imbalance? I would be very interested in that source or evidence.
I'm also autistic and trans. Essentially there is no "traditional" approach to intervention for either! I think they both represent different brain wiring! As my psychiatrist said to me, without the super hero autistics and other neurodivergents we would not have progressed so far in engineering, sciences, poetry, and most other creativity required areas. So I pray that they never develop a treatment to "cure" autism because this world would become so abysmal and grey I'd rather die. However, I've learned to move through the world after years of practice with less discomfort, public/social oddities, and general sense of not being normal. But that level of constant masking is utterly EXHAUSTING and when I get tired I tend to lose focus on what I'm feeling...like I have no brain power anymore to regulate. Thus, I have a service dog who alerts to strong emotions and he alerts differently to the different emotions. No pill. No conversion therapy..A dog.
My transness is not as severe as others, but it's still very much a problem and only medically transitioning has helped to curb the pain and discomfort. Not conversion therapy. Not a pill. A vial of natural hormones to boost what my body produces anyway! I will have top surgery in the future also because I wanted to cut them off since they grew in.
I was only just diagnosed with Austism 2 years ago (I'm currently 36) when I got to Australia and finally had access to proper and affordable health care.
I only just last year started to accept myself as trans after fighting it for YEARS because of the people around me and lack of access to affordable healthcare. So I just stuck myself into the denial box until, yet again, I found myself married to an amazing woman, surrounded by supportive and affirming friends and family, and affordable healthcare! I started T a month ago and could not be happier!!!
Sorry for the rant but this video has me so riled up it's not funny
@@AsherSteele87 I’m glad you’re doing well, we all fight for ourselves in our journey in different ways. I’m glad you found yourself
Happy Holidays, everyone! You are all wonderful and unique individuals! The world is so much better for having you! Stay strong and stay safe!
🦕🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🦖
Thank you same to you!!
Thanks 😊 👍
Wonderful no, unique yes. I seem to be the only one actually wanting to stand up to these bullies instead of just letting them step all over us.
@nobody.of.importance standing up to bullies is commendable irl. Your feelings are valid. And I won't tell you how to spend your time online. I would prefer to save my energy lifting up the victims than arguing with what is most likely a troll or a bot, though. And I won't let the few cruel people who might see this dictate my actions to adding a caveat to my statement that might inadvertently cause someone who needs to hear this feel it doesn't apply to them. If you wish to go out and fight with the bigots by all means, good luck. But please don't post comments like these. It's harmful to the very community you wish to protect. Spreading negativity in a positive space is not stopping the bullies or helping the victims.
tysm !! happy holidays to u too !! ❤💛💚💙💜💗
I just can't, Jubilee is honestly awful. The lack of fact checking or moderation in these supposed "debates" is embarrassing. Within the first five minutes the very real concept of a reactionary backlash against trans visibility and the genocidal laws passed in it's wake are dismissed out of hand because the bigot got to spin their narrative without being challenged by either their amateur opponents or the supposed moderator of the debate.
In an issue involving far reaching and complicated topics such as biology, medicine, law and politics it's a lot easier to spout ignorant and reductive nonsense than it is explain the very complicated reality of the matter. Without detailed fact-checking and moderation it's just a complete train wreck and I can't even watch it.
Forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is what's irreversible and harmful, furthermore snitching kids out to their transphobic parents is awful and if someone doesn't want to involve people they should nominally trust more than anyone else in the world then there's probably a good reason why they can't actually trust said people.
I might see if I can make another run at this video some other time, I enjoy Jamie's contributions here I just can't stand the source material.
EXACTLY!!!!! 👏
Jamie does an excellent job there indeed. I'd be happy to watch another 1 hour 50 minutes of this.
On this side we have a doctor and people who had personal experiences transitioning and how it actually works, and on this side we have...... A guy that listens to conspiracy news... I'm shure his input will be... "useful"
1:14:00 the "can't know til 25" is actually directly related to the liberalization of younger voters, and ties directly into the conservative campaigns to hold power by raising voting ages to 21, or even 25, for the express purpose of cutting liberal votes. It's just a convenient tool for them.
Also, it's a gross and disingenuous distortion of the "the brain doesn't finish developing until 25" factoid. It's frankly disgusting and extremely telling that conservatives basically use that fact to argue that children can't know *anything* meaningful about themselves.
There needs to be a larger conversation about children's liberation in the US. For the conservatives it's not about what's true or false it's just about ownership of their children. Until children have rights this will continue to happen.
Ive always had an issue with the concept of 'parents rights' because of stuff like this. Parents should not be allowed to harm or hinder their child's growth because of their 'beliefs'
But at the same time, its not like we can have the goverment in full control either, that would be arguable much worse.
I think reframing it as 'Childrens rights' Is a great point. even though some people dont seem to understand, children are capable of making pretty big choices. We should trust them more, and simply have the safety nets for when they fall, not a walled path they have to take
But the thing is kids aren’t mentally developed enough to make big decisions.
Uplifting thing! Heartstopper, a graphic novel that feature gay, bi, lesbian, and trans characters, among many other identities, just became the UKs fastest selling graphic novel of all time! Please remember that even in the UK, so many people do care about us trans folk. 💜 Stay strong
Do you mean Heartstopper? Because that was the graphic novel just released recently, but yeah it's an awesome series, definitely recommend reading it and watching the show.
@@artheenbyrogue804 oh yikes! Yep, I'll edit that in
54:18 i just want to give a shoutout to my grade 9 phys ed/sex ed teacher. She talked about LGBTQ community in great detail and talked about different types of relationships and people including wlw, mlm, enby and transgender people. She was also probably the most supportive teacher I had, and considering she was also a Christian teacher in a Catholic school she was wonderful.
1:20:01 oh my goddddd I'm Canadian and that happened in British Columbia. His SON (ftm) was transitioning and the man kept misgendering and abusing him. It became a huge deal, and so any news articles had to use fake names and make sure the privacy of the teen was kept. However, the man kept breaching the privacy and in general made the life of his son complete hell. He went to jail for breaking the publication ban not because he misgendered his son.
I think puberty blocking therapy should be available to anyone who feels unsure about their gender, WITHOUT a parent's consent needed.
I agree. Imagine being Trans and that older dude in the red shirt is your parental 😱😱😱
That seems to me like a dangerous situation though I’m wary of people in general.
@@BenthewildchildE750 Because you don't understand what you're talking about. Puberty blockers are safe, effective, and completely reversible. Literally the only thing they do is delay the onset of puberty, which is why they were developed in the 70s to treat precocious puberty in very young children.
@@katphish30 I was informed of the purpose by another commenter and agree with it. I also am struggling with my own identity so I’m also looking at this issue from a parents perspective in that you have a child that should be going through a specific thing not going through that thing that will be worrying to a lot of parents. if you would like more information on what I’m going through, I’ll be happy to provide it.
@@BenthewildchildE750 You are nearly incoherent and constantly contradicting yourself, so no I don't want to know more.
The "learning to accept who you really are" argument from the conservative side is something that I internalized for a long time and delayed my transition probably by a decade (I'm only ~20). And you know what I got out of that "acceptance"? Depression, and thoughts of the word for not aliving that RUclips doesn't like. I wish I had the ability to dream larger than my "cis" life sooner. And regarding all the points about permanent decisions: I'm gonna be living with my poor social and emotional development for a while because of the delay I had, seems worse than anything they're scared of.
Hearing 'Conservative' speak reminds me of what i was taught by my parents all my life untill 20. I am now 24 and happier with myself after realizing and accepting im trans and working towards transitioning, and its a huge win after i broke from hatefilled rhetoric
And I'm fully on the liberal side in this instance so far, and im only halfway through this lol
56:46 if they can reach kids about heterosexual and cis stuffs , then they can teach about transgender people. Had I the chance to learn jn school I think I'd be in a much better state than I am now
Red shirt conservative talked about permanency then we should bring up all of us starting out as female in the womb. I wonder what they say then lol
1:10:06 I was circumcised as an infant, without my consent. If he wants to talk about chopping up kids look right there at the normalized form
Whew. Thanks for taking this on. It is so stressful even to watch this secondhand. 😬
As a Swedish person I can tell you that Sweden was NOT an accepting place for trans people back then. It might look accepting to include them under the general protection of the law compared to other places but it was in no way generally accepted. It's better today but it's still not at an acceptable level.
As part of my job sometimes trans people have to out themselve and the happiness they show when I just treat then like any other person is saddening.
That is pretty rough, but on the bright side, you are the light in their lives. People like you give us the strength to keep going, and I can't even begin to tell you how important that is for us right now. Seriously, thank you for being a good person.
Thank you for always standing up for the LGBTQ+ community. You don’t even know how many people you’ve helped to find a safe space. Thank you.
That one about the father in BC that went to jail - he didn't go to jail for fighting against his child's transition. He went to jail for publishing his child's identity in internet forums and in the press contrary to a publication ban, which was exposing his child to harassment and death threats. It drives me crazy when people say he went to jail for disagreeing with his child's transition. That is not what happened.
I think honestly if I had to be forced to face that man with the attitude I'd start crying. He makes the entire discussion not feel safe, its what he's saying mixed with his demeanor and voice. I feel like these discussions only really push transphobia more and more :(
I just want everyone to be safe and happy being who they are
I would like to add I might be considered someone who thought they were trans and was looking into gender affirming things. The thing is, if I did transition I wouldn't detransition because even if I'm not trans I don't really identify with any specific gender so like no matter what my body looks like I'm happy. Also my body is my canvas to paint, no one else gets to judge the way I paint it! On another note: I would've benefited greatly from puberty blockers :(
I miss the times before my body changed almost irreversibly from maturity, I was so much happier with my body before
@@AlexTheBlue24I think I’d kind of be like you in the way that there’s definitely some stuff about my body I’d love to change, whether or not I turn out to be trans in the end. Also, hey, Sky cotl pfp!
This has always been hard for me to answer. I just have mixed feelings about it. I think they SHOULD be ABLE to transition if they fully understand what they are doing. I would say 18 is a good age to start surgery. I think puberty blockers can be used because they are safe and reversible.
Jammie you are far more patient than I am despite being out as trans for longer than me. I an losing my mind. 😢😢
I personally believe there isn’t one answer to this question. Every individual should be evaluated and be treated based on their personal needs. No one should have their healthcare decided on by someone who has never met them.
@@capybara_king - YES! This is what I was struggling but failing to say. Thank you.
@@KrimsonKattYTThe thing is, when trans teenagers take HRT, it can greatly improve their mental health - and also reduce the need for surgery in adulthood. Their body has already grown more like the shape that feels right for them. A lot of trans surgery is to reverse the effects of puberty. Going through the right puberty in youth makes things a lot easier.
@@KrimsonKattYT as someone whos less than 18 and has been on hrt for a year now i disagree, im MUCH more happier now and i also get harassed/bullied less about my identity since nobody can tell that im not a cis male. NOT being on hrt for me personally i was getting harmed, i was bullied for the ENTIRE of 8th grade and my whole class either excluded me or bullied me so sure i wasnt getting punched or kicked but i was still getting harmed and it caused a lot more social anxiety for me
@KrimsonKattYT
I am glad you were able to push through. However, not everyone is able to cope with that sort of stress, and I see only disadvantages to shaming someone who may be unable to handle it.
I suspect that Arthur has been reading a lot of MRA websites. All of his stories involved a dad who was resisting his kid being trans and having to pay for it, or being unable to stop it.
The biology argument...
These people don't seem to understand that biology in itself is subject to change. It's not something that is not set in stone.
I think it is very important to talk more about trans people in school. I had a classmate, who thought, that cismen have a uterus because he saw a pregnant transman online and we didn´t learn about trans people in school. We were in seventh grade when he thought that.
jeez bro and i thought my schools sex ed sucked
I've been going along with informational lessons on LGBQTI+ people from the mid 2017's to about March 2019, with a couple of ones afterwards in a more sporadic fashion, after the worst of the pandemic had passed.
In some of the classes I got the question if the hormones would give me periods (some of the symptoms can do happen, weirdly enough, but the bleeding part is obviously impossible, except for the weird situation in which I suffered spontaneous nose-bloods in the beginning).
That's in high schools, for 13-14 year old students, who only in 2023 got to learn about transpeople for a small bit through a small newsclip about a transwoman who played a trans character on a children's show.
In general, comprehensive sexual education is just very important to get rid of all kinds of myths.
When i first found out about the pregnant man, i witnessed a lot of transphobic remarks being made about him, including the t slur, using the wrong pronouns and "man" being put in quotes like i just demonstrated. I am not even trans, and i was disgusted and even afraid to express myself as a tomboy out of fear of being transvestigated.
Thank you for making this video! It's so important to call out the BS arguments that people use against trans people. Hard for me to even sit and listen to some of the things they're saying.
Hi Jamie. I'm from the uk like you and I'm getting upset over our country's increasing transphobia. It is making me actually quite scared. I can't medically transition yet (but I'm working on it) and I'm worried, about our government taking the few rights we have. The recent thing where they say teachers can go unpunished for misgendering children makes me scared for whether I'll soon be harassed at work or lots of other things. I really want to know about how you feel and if you are worried too
Dude, I'm scared for you too. I really hope that your situation gets better. I'm a trans guy from America, and I don't know your situation exactly, but it sounds really crappy. (Also I'm replying in hopes that your comment will be noticed quicker :) )
@@Userexistssthank you. I am just worried for the world and anyone like us in it. Everything could change for the worse or better in an instant and I just want to know if i'm safe
Is transphobia in the UK actually increasing then? I’m surprised to read that.
Simply because surely if anything all this debate is increasing awareness of trans people etc and their fight for equal rights no?
What I suspect you may be referring to is the increase of the number of people now being accused of being transphobic who if they are indeed transphobic will surely have also been transphobic twenty years ago too but they just weren’t being called out twenty years ago.
If I’m wrong fine but it really would be bizarre if all this debate is coinciding with an increase in transphobia.
Good luck to ye :]
What a frustrating experience.
Thank you Jamie, for being the calm voice of reason.
Camie here, I'm really happy to see this Jubilee episode get covered like this. Being on that panel was honestly such a wretched experience-- idk why they invited people on who don't even want to acknowledge the existence and rights of trans adults to a conversation about minors' ability to transition. It really felt like the Jubilee casting directors and producers just want to foster drama and arguments waaaay more than actual interesting discussion; the entire experience just kinda felt like an ambush.
21:20 "that's irrelevant." YOU BROUGHT IT UP, NERD!
35:14 I love this part because honestly i feel the same way when it comes to prochoice vs prolife. If you don't want an abortion then just DON'T have one? Doesn't mean you should be able to take that choice away from other people.
As a trans teen, I feel like the only transitioning that should be happening is hormonal therapy, binding, the small things that can help with dysphoria without surgery. Surgery wise? I don’t think minors should be able to get unless its for some medicial reason.
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There’s a lot of medical reasons why a trans minor might (IN RARE CASES) get surgery. It’s usually trans guys getting top surgery.
The biggest reasons not to are because the body may not have finished growing. This is because the growth can affect the surgical results down the line. Though the minors getting top surgery are usually 1-2 years away from being a legal adult anyway.
Especially when you consider that most doctors won’t touch a child with any hormones until at LEAST 15-16 years old, and that most insurances require the person to be a year on HRT to even CONSIDER surgery coverage, it seems that the system (as fucked as it is) works reasonably well on paper when it comes to these things.
I do think that leeway should be considered, especially when it comes to the size of the breasts and the likes but I mostly agree with it.
Even though I wanted top surgery as a 16 years old (and still do at 19) I ended up growing a few sizes in those years, and as such I don’t think it would have been wise for me to get it then even if I did qualify with insurance. But other individuals have different experiences. They may be done growing like that, so the leeway can help to alleviate their dysphoria (if they have any) sooner.
@@apricotbuncakes that is very true, i’m 15 myself. Like you said it all depends on the individual but I was mainly factoring in that surgeries aren’t (as?) reversible as hormonal or things you can a lot easier.
@@nglkneeco That’s very true!
Hormones also have some things that are irreversible (with few exceptions from surgical intervention) but they are overall a lot safer to experiment with because they can be stopped. They’re also easier to monitor the results of.
You're so right, they told me I have to be 16 to get on HRT, so in april 2024, I MIGHT be able to get on a waitlist, hopefully! @apricotbuncakes7276
Absolutely true with language and awareness. Growing up, i just saw documentaries with binary trans ppl and i know i wasn't cis, but it took me another ten years to stumble upon the possibility of being nonbinary and have words for what i am
Puberty blockers, social transition and HRT for teens should absolutely be allowed and available for minors (under medical supervision of course).
Surgery though should be saved for adulthood, or at least medical age of consent for other non-cosmetic procedures, which is 16-17 in most places.
"Surgery though should be saved for adulthood, or at least medical age of consent for other non-cosmetic procedures, which is 16-17 in most places."
This is what major medical organizations already agree on and where gender-affirming care already stands, though it's uncommon (at least in the USA) for someone to get top surgery before 18 and extremely uncommon for bottom surgery to happen before 18 (if it even happens at all).
All of the talk in this debate about "mutilating children" or "putting them under the knife" or "cutting off body parts" while clearly hyperbolic, does not resemble gender-affirming care for minors in any way.
@@AlexsGoogleAccount agreed completely. It’s all rhetoric meant to push hatred against trans people
I’ve heard a lot of trans people don’t even need bottom surgery- receiving the correct puberty and/or socially transitioning turned out to be enough for them to be happy,
Not saying it should be held back in terms of emergencies of course, I just mean that conservatives put way too much emphasis on that part
Hell, first off I am trans non-binary; this whole "you can catch beings trans" just reminds me when I was a kid, people thought you could catch asthma from me. Until the show Arthur came out with an episode explaining asthma. It's all just so silly and people just need to learn to let people live and mind your own business, we aren't hurting anyone being ourselves 💖
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@@TemariRain ehhh at least it still works 🤭
Around 1:16:00 the mom makes a good point about letting skids work at fast food restaurants and using farming machinery. The man that follows up saying it doesn’t alter their life is pretty wrong. You work in fast food, you can get bad grease burns that will be there forever. One slip of farm machinery, you can lose a limb or your life. So yes, working those things can affect your life permanently.
Transitioning does not always equate to surgery and medications. Not every transgender adult goes for those options, why on earth would we impose a standard on children that the vast majority of the community doesn't even impose on ourselves and others in our community?
Completely agree, the trans community is one of the only ones I've seen that spread the idea of being who you are and then in the same breath tell you it's ok to get extremely ife threatening /invasive surgeries , sad to see young people think it's absolutely necessary :(
@@totally_not_a_robot8098 in my experience, the majority of the trans people saying you must go through surgeries and HRT tend to be a fringe minority. The only trans people I've seen pushing surgeries tend to be on the right or so extremely far left that very few people agree with. I hope you know you're valid no matter what path you decide to follow, don't let those garbage brains get to you.
I think that's the misconception, tho, right? When parents help their kids transition, it's not surgery and not always puberty blockers. It's simply letting them explore fashion that suits them better and referring to them by the name or pronouns they choose. I have heard of some minors getting surgery, but it's incredibly rare, generally speaking kids transitioning just means treating the child as the gender they want.
@@totally_not_a_robot8098What in the crying Christ did I just read
@@pourmepourmeanother How many other communities do you see that outwardly promote body modification as the next best thing? I've seen it almost exclusively in the trans community,, people that speak up about it are the ones that get isolated when having botched surgeries and or feeling dissatisfaction with themselves after the fact :(
Puberty blockers should definitely be available to young people.
So much love to you Jamie! Keep doing what you're doing, it makes a world of difference! xx Happy holidays everyone 🏳⚧💕
Why does it bother them so much that someone exists? I mean we are living the same way they do and without bothering anyone.
Im a trans minor who doesnt have access to gender-affirming care or puberty blockers, and to see my body go through puberty is killing me. Gender affirming care is so misrepresented in america and is almost demonized.
I hope you are able to get puberty blockers soon.
Damn, that’s sad, I hope you get something soon
I looked away for a second, and when I looked back, Jamie didn't have his glasses on. I was like a dog when their owner does the sheet disappearing thing.
XD
It's funny because that doesn't work on my dog.
This is a very nuanced situation. Not only is it that mediacal transition includes surgery, hormones and puberty blockers. The question should include this nuance. It should also take into consideration what age minor could mean: 17, 14, 12 or any age.
When I hear people talk about minors transitioning, I feel they talk about teenagers(16-17) as well, and they wouldn't want them to transition, but they hide behind the guise of protecting childreb
@Dragonkitty_101 you are corect, i wanted to add these variations because or the conversation becomes unclear and the "pro" side talks about 17/18 year olds while the "anti" side talks about 12 year olds. The the undecided people who are scared of 12 year olds having surgery vote against despite the "pro" side never stating that is what they want (they just didn't make it clear it isn't). We have the burden of inforcing better conversation that are clearer because the opposing side gains from it being messy
My break started today so happy holidays to everyone, whatever you celebrate, you guys are very valid
Happy Holidays! Stay safe and stay awesome!
Tysvm! This winter break, I started doing family therapy. My parents are incredibly mad about me being trans, so I'm hoping this will help them to become more accepting :)
@@Userexistss good luck! I hope it all goes well for you!
I have a child who's told us they're the opposite gender from before the age of 3. In the beginning we didn't confirm nor deny, as I didn't want to make it hard for them to change their mind. Then at the age of 4 came the tears and questions of why they didn't have the "correct" genitals. Now at the age of 5 they have gotten the hairstyle they want and the clothes they want. We still don't push one way or another and they wear both boys and girls clothes by choice, but they have never altered their mind on what their identity is.
So do I think kids at the age of 11 or 12 should be allowed puberty blockers with the aid of medical proffesionals? 100%! Kids know themselves better than we do.
Nice, do not listen to anyone hating on u
Fascinating to hear people randomly say people aren't mature enough to make medically life altering decisions in their teens when it comes to being trans, as someone who made a ‘medically life altering decision’ (non-LGBTQ+ related) when I was 16/17 and never faced any argument that I was not mature enough!
As someone who lives in America, in a liberal state and college town, some parent got really butthurt when my 7th grade history teacher taught us about different religions. 🙃 We were learning about Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism. He did end up removing his child from the section on Islam. :(
Because apparently tolerance is a "Judeo Marxist agenda trying to turns kids gay" For some FREAKING REASON
On the point of minors not being able to get married, join the military, or get tattoos (the examples that Daniel gives for life altering decisions), I just wanted to say that minors are allowed to do all of those things with parental consent and the same can be said about medical transitioning if thetrans person and the medical providers believe it to be the appropriate course of action
In my state they didn't need parental permission at 16 until last year when the laws change. So even in the US 18 isn't consistent all across the board
Reminder that conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to legalize marrying twelve year olds. And they call us pedophiles, ugh.
@@BlackHat-v4j it shouldn't be, but it is. Our leaders think all that is okay, yet very reversible stuff is not
@@BlackHat-v4j it's the us. I already know that it's shitty
I started medical transition at 15, 13 years ago and if a kid has severe enough dysphoria, to keep them from transiitiionn will hurt them in the long run
We need to stop treating a medicaal condition as this like some absurd debate topic. Who I am and what we've dealt with is not up for debate.
Do keep in mind that pretending trans people were exploiting children was how the nazis got their start. Very literally. Look up the book burnings.
Jamie needs to be on one of these shows, you would be so good
Definitely
yeah, too bad jubilee usually never brings on leftist creators in their videos. any time a creator is on jubilee its almost always going to be a conservative debating nobodies
Man, my identity is a trend that'll pass? Damn, guess I'll just turn to dust.
so far i've studied music production (graduated), seriously looked into hairdressing (still hoping i can take a course on this sometime), been studying computer science for two years (still pursuing degree) and next year im starting my psychology degree. this has all been since i was 20. i'm 26 now and i still have no idea what i wanna study or work as. and yet, i've been out as trans since i was 17 and transitioning was the single best choice i've ever made in my life. it's almost like your identity doesn't change no matter how much time goes by and that has nothing to do with what you like doing.
There's 50+ years of scientific research into gender identity that has proven the difference between biological sex and gender, I also firmly believe that everyone has the right to be comfortable with themselves and their body. the argument of "it's just a trend" is nonsense because I have autism and know that 30 years ago I would not of been diagnosed due to lack of proper research and knowledge on the subject, now we live in times of better understanding more people are diagnosed with autism due to increased awareness and the same goes for trans/GNC people.
They should have transitioned me as a baby and never told me I was ever born a damn boy. Or even better birthed me as a girl. Now I am a lonesome 31 year old transsexual woman disowned by family and envious of every pretty woman with good relationship and a handsome guy. For 30 lost years of my life, I possess nothing but vitriolic hatred for my previous identity. I stopped hanging with one of my formerly best friends just because she named her baby my dead name. If you have bloody misfortune to be born trans, the earlier, the better. I can only wish that puberty blockers were a thing at my time in my godforsaken country.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry your life has had so many hardships and that you haven't had the support you deserve. Remember, you are wonderful, valid, and beautiful. Please stay safe. Life can get better. You are so strong and can still do so much. 🦕🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🦖
You are valid and valuable.
@@acutechicken5798 about as valuable as 1994 insurance write-off Ford Escort with leaking radiator and expired MOT....
Jamie, you’re wrong about not being a virus. Your laughter is so genuine that it’s contagious. I can’t help but laugh when watching your funny videos. When you watch a heartwarming video or read a post, your kindness is so profound, that you make me want to be a better person. On the other hand, when you’re outraged at what you see, your passion is contagious. I never finish watching one of your videos without feeling strongly about what I saw, whether it’s silliness, happiness, or anger. You have the power to rally the troops. I’m so glad you use your influence for the greater good ❤😊
The whole 'there's TWO sexes' thing always infuriates me, even more than normal transphobia (which is saying something). Because they represent it as this OBVIOUS thing when it's categorically false, even if you leave gender and trans people out of the equation. Even if you pretend trans people don't exist, there are still more than 2 sexes, because intersex people exist. Even if you base it solely around biology, the idea that there's only two sexes just isn't accurate.
They're so proud of their 'basic biology' knowledge that they seem totally oblivious to the fact that the rest of us have moved on to intermediate biology.
Looking at the danish study Arthur mentioned, it doesn't indicate mental health declined, it does note that in comparison to the control group of cis people, the suicide attempt/ideation stat was higher. Which is kinda the same mistake the Sweden study he mentioned also made. That study compared post op trans people's mental health to cis people.
If you want to see whether transitioning helps (it does) you have to compare mental health stats of trans people who transitioned to trans people who didnt
Also in the study they list the limitations
Limitations
This study has several limitations. First, the findings may not be generalizable to transgender individuals who have never received hospital care for gender identity-related issues or applied for legal change of gender. Second, being restricted to Danish-born individuals, the findings may not necessarily apply to transgender individuals born elsewhere. Third, hospital codes used to identify transgender individuals carry descriptions that may have been perceived as stigmatizing, which might have reduced their use among some health professionals. Fourth, although transgender individuals might have considered themselves as being transgender since childhood or adolescence, they were here considered as such from the date of a first hospital record or legal change of gender. Fifth, because of their likely role as intermediate variables in the causal pathway between the exposure and the studied outcomes, mental and physical comorbidities were not included as covariates in the analyses. Consequently, the reported aIRRs reflect overall associations of transgender identity with suicide attempt and mortality, which may well differ between subgroups of transgender individuals with and without comorbidities. Sixth, suicide attempts are underrecorded in Danish hospital records.37 Consequently, to the extent transgender individuals differ from nontransgender individuals in their hospital-seeking behavior after self-harming, the reported aIRRs of suicide attempt may be somewhat too high or too low.
Additionally, the denmark study cited the sweden study in its data so
I just wish I wasn't pressured into thinking about my gender, because that makes me incredibly uncomfortable. (Probably also because non-binary terms would draw attention to me, either positive or negative. But I just don't wanna have any attention. Just let me be me. Just let me wear whatever the hell I want without people assuming my gender, and just no one speak to me.)
1:01:21 when I was in high school, our health class had a sexual education unit. Parents had to sign a permission slip for their children to learn about safe sex and stds. We had one day talking about LGBT+ relationships and the teacher was very obviously uncomfortable for the entire day about it. It was like she really wanted to share her opinions about it, but was scared to lose her job.
Parents have proved time and time and time again they cannot be trusted to teach their kids sufficiently.
Thanks!
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the kids in my high school are just so unaware of how transitioning works. ive had multiple people ask me about my genitals and other invasive questions. i didn't even know any of these kids. they just think it's okay to ask me that and i act all chill about it because id get bullied more if i didnt, but i really hate it. theyve asked me if i have a d!ck and im a minor, so no i obvously havent had surgery yet. either they dont get that or theyre jus trying to be rude. but i just cant stand it anymore.
I find it rather creepy the interest some folk have about what others have in their pants.
yes, i agree. im lucky i have friends who agree. theyre willing to help me out if i need it. @@Coelacanth1
I'm sorry your going through that, I hope that education gets better so that kids will learn about trans people at an early age in school and then they will hopefully know enough to not be so transphobic. Trans people should not be forced to be educators of trans-ness, it's not our job.