Hey everyone. Regarding the switch back to AMD. I didn't use the 9000 series yet because we don't have the 9900 or 9950 yet, and those chips are going to be used for testing for a while. But I'm excited to see how they perform. Also if you see the "Universe is Unlicensed" message we don't know why that appeared in the export, our license is current and logged in at time of export, I don't feel that message is worth taking down and reuploading. 🤦🏻♂️ Edit! I was able to get 6000mhz RAM working fine actually. Since filming this video I noticed that the "auto" FCLK was setting to 1733mhz. Once manually setting it to 2000 and 1:1 it worked great. I have no idea why the Gigabyte bios doesn't default to a 1:1 but it's working now
Don't know why, but I've had nothing but issues with Gigabyte when it comes to memory overclocking... I use MSI x670 and I have no issue running 6000 Mhz memory. It runs my expo timings no issue with my 7950X. Just an FYI.
Honestly, Im waiting to see Reviews of the 9000 Series to see whats the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade from my Ryzen 7700 Non-X. I stream and play games, so pure gaming performance isnt only just part of what I need to look at.
How's the 7950X3D so far? I've seen a lot of weirdness with the off-kilter dual CCD layout for gaming, do you think it's any better for more workstation-y stuff?
@@jonduke4748 EVGA announced in September 2022 that it would no longer manufacture graphics cards, citing several reasons for this decision: 1. **Disagreements with NVIDIA**: EVGA had a long-standing partnership with NVIDIA, but there were reports of strained relations. EVGA's CEO, Andrew Han, mentioned issues related to NVIDIA's pricing policies, lack of transparency, and perceived unfair treatment as reasons for the decision. 2. **Profit Margins**: EVGA stated that the profit margins on their graphics card business had become too thin. Despite the high demand for GPUs, particularly during the cryptocurrency mining boom, EVGA felt that the financial returns were not sustainable. 3. **Business Focus**: EVGA decided to focus on other product lines, such as power supplies, motherboards, and other components. This strategic shift aims to ensure the company's long-term viability and success in markets where they see better opportunities for growth and profitability.
2 vids later "I switched back to Intel and here's why" Ps. Just want to say thank you to all for helping me complete a bucket list item to get likes on a RUclips comment. Was never expecting this much. Thank you all!
I had 13900K, which was RMAed to 14900. Unfortunately it did not last that long. So I have decided to get my money back as Intel did crash in the games. I did buy AMD too, 7950x3d it was. I still got no refund from Intel but I do enjoy games on my new AMD
@MakuArein But also intel just got into dGPUs (for the most part, they've tried before) and they already have better Upscaling and better Raytracing than AMD.
@MakuAreindon't forget Intel is also a much larger company with more departments. Intel has had more spinoffs and spin downs than AMD, like memory, motherboard design etcetera. AMD spinoff it's fab to become fabless and bought ATI to compete with nVidia. Intel has had lots of fab issues over the years so they will be using TSMC while they catch up. Intel also has a long history of wasting billions of dollars on failed business ventures or trying to expand in other areas outside of their specialty but falling short.
@@Rspsand07Still won’t be trading in my AMD GPU for Intel anytime soon. I would get nvidia/AMD over Intel any day just due to better driver support, especially on older games.
Still stunning to hear people blame users for Intel processor failures ("not tuning their voltages properly") and not blaming Intel for stagnant architecture and overvolting to destruction to appear competitive. Remember... cults aren't cool, kids!
My 7800X3D has been running 6000MT ram for over a year now with no problems. I am using Corsair Vengeance model CMK32GX5M2D6000C36 SKU 6536565. Its only CL36 instead of CL32 like I wanted, but I was on a time constraint and got what I could.
yea not sure what he’s doing wrong but i’ve used 2 dual rank kits on 3 7000x3d chips now and i’ve been able to run 6000mts on all of them. anta777 absolut memory test runs all day.
@@papa_andy4497 single rank dual channel will pretty much guarantee 6000mts dual rank dual channel is all about voltages unless you’re really unlucky with your imc. and i mean really unlucky. 4 sticks dual rank is cooked unless you’re really lucky. and i mean really lucky.
@@papa_andy4497 How long did you wait? AM5 boot times increase by quite a bit the faster and bigger your RAM amount is. This is due to memory training. I have 32GB 6000 and it takes about 35 seconds. Longer in some instances, like when you reset EXPO or update BIOS.
This brand loyalty and asking everyone to switch will have insane consequences.. competition will evaporate, and prices will skyrocket…the chip business is insanely expensive
I run EXPO 6000mhz RAM on my 7950X3D with no issues! Must be the RAM you’re using. I opted for TEAM-GROUP T-Create and haven’t had any stability issues with it at all!
I had a customer come in with blue screening and the inability to install windows. Sure enough, the 14900k was toast. 8 months old. Intel didn't even reply to his support ticket for days. He gave up and proceeded to order an amd motherboard/cpu. Intel is going to lose so many customers over this.
My 13900K died around Christmas of 2023, I RMA'd It, sold it and used the funds to purchase a B650, 7800X3D platform and I couldn't be happier; RAM @6400, CL30 is Y Cruncher VST stable and the performance is around 10% higher than that of my 13900K in competitive titles.
my cpu crashes with 6400 ram and i turned off xmp and no problems. it is a 7600. if at anytime you experience that just get the speed to 5200 because that's what amd recommends
@@luladrgn9155 Every AM5 should do 6000 with today's kits and enough tinkering; no need for loose timings. Makes sense since even AM4 can usually support 5000 MHz DDR4.
x870e only adds usb4 as a standard feature. there are currently x670e boards out with usb4 already. save a lil bit of money. also its been stated that 9000 ram sweet spot is 6400mhz. im currently running my 7800x3d at 6400 so idk how jay is the only person having issues running decent ram speeds.
You won't miss Intel. I have been building computers since the 1990s. Mostly Intel through all those years until 2019, moved over to AMD and never looked back. I play a lot of games.
Would it be called X770 ?? And I have a 7950x but the difference in 9000s was efficient mainly with same clocks so might have to skip it and wait for 10000 CPUs since it should still work on the same socket
Built 2 PCs with 7800X3D, one for work and one for home, the one at work has 6400 DDR5 memory from gskill, works great. The one at home has corsair Dominator 5600 DDR5 OC'd to 6000. im not getting why people are having problems with memory... but yea i switched from Intel, AMD is rocking it right now.
The initial Zen3 run seemed to have a less dialed in memory controller. Chips like Jay's initial run all are really spotty on managing 6000. I had a first run 7800X3D that simply could not stay stable with anything over 5600. Built a second one recently using another 7800X3D and 6000 works perfectly fine. Anyone you hear mentioning the 6000 issue is definitely running an initial production run Zen3 SOC. Works way better on the newer ones. Doesn't appear to be BIOS related.
For one, it has to do with the CPU you get. The X3D are very fickle when it comes to their memory controller. For two, it has to do with the quality of the RAM and if it's on the QVL list. Not all of them are equivalent, and getting shitty ones with shitty timing will be a bad time for an X3D.
14:13 Phil you nailed the music and editing here. It no joke had me replaying that section of the video *multiple* times - that color inverted transition was also sick. Always a treat watching this content. Glad you guys are still doing what you love.
I love intel haven't had any issues 3700k 4790k 6700k 5930k 6950x 8700k 9900k 12900k 13700k 13900k❤❤ I don't overcloock don't use exteme enthusiasts boards 😏
@@snow-uq4gx Id say this aged like milk, but milk is still fresh after 9 minutes. The motherboards weren't to blaim. Intel mass shipped faulty 13 and 14th gen chips, have known about it since early 13th gen and tried to smokescreen with the motherboards. Im glad you didnt use your 13700k long enough to fail (they do get worse over time as they corrode) and I hope your 13900k is one of the golden samples that isnt destroying itself, but it will probably need to be turned down lower and lower as time goes on to keep it from crashing.
@@TheDacanethere is no golden sample. Its just how much longer can the chip hide the defects. The chips would fail on h series mobo anyways. But looks like this guy has upgrade schedule of every 3 months so if he buys every single generation he shouldn't face instabilities because he doesnt use the cpu for long time.
My AMD 7800X3D and 7900 XTX has been going strong for over a year now. I’m able to hit 4K 120 Ultra with absolutely no upscale or any tricks. I do everything pure. I have to admit I’m a very impressed for the $1000 price point.
You’ve done it solid. Now the other whatever percent has to have the top of the line team blue and green because idiot RUclipsrs hype certain features, idiot Reddit dorks preach their wallet mostly because they want to brag. Now here we are, waiting to see what next and what RUclipsr uploads the next best thing for the cycle to repeat.
I find it kind of surprising that people are complaining about Jay walking back and forth between AMD and Intel. What would the alternative be, ignoring blatant instability issues that everyone is facing and pretend like they don't exist (on either platform)? I find it refreshing to know a big name youtuber can go "this toy sucks right now, make it better" rather than just acting like everything is golden.
@Belgaer I'm confused if you're saying my comment is perpetuating brand loyalty? My comment was highlighting and enticing people to avoid a brand loyalty mentality by going with whatever service/goods provider best satisfies their needs at the time. Specifically, if that changes to not feel ashamed of switching to something else, and further, to celebrate when people that have some semblance of sway with those organizations start to put pressure on them to do better. If you're just reiterating that point then sweet, and if you misinterpreted then sorry I wasn't more clear.
I don't think its that. I just think he makes a lot of click baity videos when stuff like this happens. Asus has problems and then he grandstands about how great he is for cutting them off and same thing with Intel. He drops brands when its popular and picks them back up when its convenient. I like Jays content a lot so this isn't me hating on the guy per se, but I definitely noticed this pattern and it's a little off putting.
@@SpartanArmy117 I can definitely appreciate that and unfortunately I think that could be chalked up to the RUclips hype train needing clicks and watch time. Jay and LTT have both mentioned that they're not really "interested" in making videos that dunk on companies because they'd rather be talking about cool new tech instead. That being said, they've also highlighted how ridiculous the numbers are when putting out content that steers towards drama. So they're sort of stuck between not addressing and being called a shill, or addressing it (still being called a shill) and at least alerting customers to potential product drawbacks while cashing in at the same time. The sensationalization sucks, but unfortunately that's the game RUclips has built.
Yeah I don't know why he's having so many issues. I'm currently running 64GB of Corsair CMT64GX5M2B6000Z30 DDR5 6000Mhz CL30 on an MSI X670E Carbon and 7950X with no issues. They run perfectly at their rated speeds. Although I get the feeling it might be due to one of two possibilities: 1: The Crucial memory he's using. No offense intended to Crucial, but I definitely wouldn't have used those because Crucial exclusively use Micron dies. Micron dies are known to probably be the worst choice for DDR5 this generation. You really want to have Hynix M dies on Ryzen DDR5, but I even would've accepted Samsung dies at CL36 over Micron. I don't mean to rag on Micron, because it's a generally good company for a lot of products. They just missed the mark with their DDR5 this time around. 2: If that's the same CPU Jay used before he switched to Intel (which it sounds like it is), he originally complained that the memory issues he had with that CPU became worse over time, the more he used it. During that same time that it came out that motherboards, especially Asus, which is what Jay originally used, were pushing way too much voltage to the SOC which was physically damaging CPUs. So I'm kind of wondering if Jay actually completely managed to dodge damage being dealt to his CPU during that time frame or if his CPU is "functional" but actually faulty. As he said, he originally hit 6000Mhz, but his system stability got worse over time until he couldn't hit it anymore. That description sounds like it could be possible degradation damage over time. So I wonder if he still wouldn't be able to 6000Mhz if he tried a new 7950X3D that was never used while that SOC damage event was ongoing.
Something's wrong with either these crucial sticks/compatibility. i didn't hear about issues with 7800x3d or 7950x3d and 6000mhz ram. These crucials pro I think are standard 1.35v and have EXPO, should be fine but isnt. They have Micron most brands use Hynix dies but it would be such a stupid reason…
4x16GB at 6200C32, checking in. 7950X3D and X670E Aorus Master. They're 5600C36 kits (which POST and pass TM5/Y-Cruncher at their XMP profiles), just bumped VDD to 1.4v and tightened timings from there. Also not sure why Jay always seems to have cursed memory compatibility, but it shouldn't be too hard to get it running at 6000MT with minor adjustments. Going straight to -30 PBO CO on a dual CCD part is also a pretty bad idea. It's almost certainly not stable, and it'll either crash on OCCT Core Cycler ST rotation, Y-Cruncher or during desktop idle. If you're going to OC, do it right.
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find a comment about this. Same here though. I don't understand it. Maybe he's not updating to the latest BIOS? No issues running a TeamGroup 6000 CL30 kit in mine. Been running strong since November 2023 when I built my system.
6000 on AM5 isn't much of an issue these days, all chips should be capable of doing it. Just don't go over two sticks with 6000 as that's when issues start with Ryzen 7000. I run 2x 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 6000 CL30 with a 7950X3D and it's rock solid on the Asus X670E.
I got ASUS TUF x670e and the 7800x3d ASUS tuf B650 with 7600X and the Tuf A620M 7500F all running 6000mhz ddr 5 cl30 but on the expo 2 in bios, if i use expo 1 they crash eventually.
Yep, got a much cheaper aorus b650M Aorus Elite AX. Bit of messing around with voltages and it's stable running 6400mhz c28. Maybe it's his "quick and dirty -30" crashing which would be inevitable.
I have been using Msi motherboards for the last 15 years and haven't had a single problem with any of them. They are the most reliable stable boards I have every used.
Hows your change to amd works ? I mean 7800X3D for gaming ? Is it all smooth no stuttering no major problems ? I have i7 13700k which is runs fine at the moment but I'm considering sell it and go for 7800x3d, i was okay with intel for a must have high end AIO but with this issue I can't live with it
@@meangamers623 Coming from the 11700K, choosing the 7800X3D was a huge jump, because I mainly use flight simulator, which is extremely demanding on the CPU. It runs very well, perfectly stable, I have a Strix B650E-E, 6000-cl30 RAM, pbo -30, fclk 2000 Mhz, 1:1. But in your case, I honestly don't recommend you change at all. If you don't feel comfortable with an Intel system, understandably with everything that's going on (use a grain of salt), I think you should wait and see what comes with Zen5, especially wait a few more months for the 3D CPUs. The 13700K is an excellent CPU, don't change it for now. Cheers
I built a 7800x3D based system for my nephew at the end of last year and I put 2 16GB sticks of Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 in it running at 6000MHz and he's had no problems at all.
I don't know why almost 0 youtuber talks about that XMP/EXPO is not a 100% working technology, it just not works for everyone out of the box.. if you have crashes or wierd freezing then you either has to switch it off (or if you are lucky then you have another profile on lower freq) or if you have the knowledge (99,999999999% of the PC users lack that) you can tinker in the BIOS and with some experimenting you can adjust the timings/freqs and it will work fine
I know it probably doesn't mean anything, but I have been running a 7950X3D for well over a year now with ram at 6000mhz. No crashes, and 24hr memtest stable (yes I went through the effort to test this). Since Jay has this issue on 2 separate motherboards and ram kits, it makes me wonder if the memory controller on his cpu is a dud. There are many people that have no issue running 6000mhz ram on ryzen x3d parts. Something's off here.
Bro! That's awesome! I'm replacing my 'at it's end' 4970k and 1070. The last of my parts is the 7800x3D and motherboard. Went a little extra and got an rtx 4080 super. Can't wait.
I sold my AM4 platform while it still had value and bought an AM5 platform. Started with a 7600X and have a 7800X3D, now. So happy I didn't shoot myself in the foot by investing in a dead platform, because I can buy so many more AM5 chips without having to touch my motherboard.
@@rustler08 I didn't see a point of 2-2,5x investment in AM5 for the 20% gain of 7800x3d over 5800x3d, as I'm currently using 3080 and see no reason to upgrade. I'll probably wait until 6080, or 6080S/Ti, in which case I'll just go for the whole new PC and sell the current one as a set, rather than individual parts.
@@falcon_224 LOL. I'd guess no, no driver issues. Unless he had a crash along the way... That was one heck of a drive. Got to give kudos for that level of committment in taking the plunge, though. Hope all went well with the build. First time building can be very nerve-wracking. I've been running AM4 since 2020 (Asrock X570, was 3700X, now 5700X). Never had a crash or blue screen. 100% stable, and my most silent machine ever.
Running a Ryzen 7 7700 32gb RAM running at 6000 perfectly happily for over a year. Along with a 7900XT hellhound. Great performance. In 26 years of PC my last intel was a Pentium II, lol. Always team red.
I have a Msi b650 edge wifi and my computer won’t boot beyond 3600mhz with 4 sticks of CL 30. Although I haven’t updated my bios since march so maybe there has been an update that allows me to do this now.
@@papa_andy4497 The one MSI board I built with, I made sure to update the bios. MSI seems to have had the most issues with RAM. I've also used Asrock mobos as well without issue, though the MSI takes more time to boot than the Asrock mobos.
Most of my computers are Intel. At one point a decade ago I had 14 of them here. Now I have two X99 (i7-6800K, i7-6950X), a 9th Gen, a 12th Gen, the Xeon W7-2495X Workstation, and a Lenovo. My only AMD unit is an R9-5950X. My next computer that I am ordering parts for right now, is an AMD R9-7900X/9900X (I'm waiting for 9000 release to see which I'll go), ASUS X670E, 192GB, RTX3080. I'm going AMD this time, because I don't care what anyone says, the Intel 13900/14900 are 8-Core processors, and I need more cores. E-Cores are for laptops, not production systems. If Intel actually releases and supports Battlemage, then I'll put together an all Intel system for that, but I'll probably go X299 instead of 15th Gen (especially after what 13/14 Gen has done). I do software and game dev that's why I have so many computers.
INTEL in my view all the fails are on Asus motherboards. Servers W680 all Asus. Motherboard Brands: Asus 65% made in China. Asrock 4% (parent company Asus) Gigabyte 14% made in China/Taiwan MSI 14% made in China/Taiwan China has their fingers on almost all of the motherboards. Asus as the biggest. Asus alone control almost 70%. Servers/CPU's: INTEL 70.9% AMD 20.5%. Both are U.S companies. ARM 8.1% British company. CPU Market Share Q2 2023: INTEL 83% AMD 17% Does make me think there is something political going on and beyond. MSI MB's seem to have good record keeping the CPU working. Just not so long ago it was AMD that was melting on Asus boards pushing people to INTEL.
@@paulboyce8537 Loving the more than casual racism in there... Look at Gamers Nexus' new vid about this, has nothing to do with mobos and everything to do with Intel screwing up massively and actively hiding it.
@@kristoffer3000 I don't think putting the blame to motherboards is allowed as they are 100% Chinese and Taiwan. CPU's are 100% U.S/UK. So whatever people are going to buy CPU's made in the West. There are sanctions to Russia and their allies. There would be panic if it is said aloud.
The total glow up of AMD CPU's is so insane I genuinely don't think we've ever seen a comeback this hard From the "cheap poor man's option" to making a 100+ billion dollar competitor backfoot so hard they're starting to implode
Pretty sure that's why having an engineer who knows how these things work is a benefit for a corporation like them imo. Since their ceo literally worked on cpu's before becoming ceo
@@ADreamingTraveler To be fair they both are hell of some engineers. Of course shoutout to Lisa, but dont forget Jensen literally worked for a small point at ATI/AMD before developing nvidia.
My 13700 started randomly rebooting and just generally struggling two weeks ago. I need a pc for work so I immediately ordered a prebuilt with 7700x and 4070s. So far I'm very happy with it. I fully expected it to be slapped together and full of off brand parts, but "skytech" actually did a decent job with this.
@@luladrgn9155 indeed. ever since my prebuilt with an E6600, 4GB and GT8800GS was no good (PCIe root hub started failing) in 2018, i've been rocking AMD ever since and besides some teething issues with the RX 500 series, no issues what so ever. currently rocking a 5600X and 6700XT, both tuned. Presently looking at that 5700X3D for my last horah with AM4
As someone that's been building and selling PCs since the 90s EVGA is the _only_ company I have nothing negative to say. I for one would have preferred to see them _expand_ rather than close up shop. Guess the owner was just tired of all the BS.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Maybe, but they quite _literally_ said they made so much profit through the GPU armageddon that they could easily afford to sit on a stack of 30 series cards and keep running at a semi functional level just to make sure any warrantees were fulfilled over the next couple years. They weren't exactly scraping by. I think it was more the political BS and stress of the race rather than margins. And don't for a second think AMD is any better. There's a _reason_ they instantly said "hell no" when asked if they'd start making AMD cards, and keep in mind MSI recently dumped Radeon on it's ass too. In some ways AMD is _worse_ to deal with than Nvidia. Remember the 5600xt that changed specs at the last second and they only told Powercolor and Sapphire? Even though AMD _themselves_ sold the slower memory to the other AIBs? Not exactly the epitome of professionalism. Don't be so quick to believe the crocodile tears about AIBs having no margins. They're just pissy they don't get the margins AMD and Nvidia do. Which they shouldn't when AMD and Nvidia are doing the vast majority of the engineering and investment.
Awesome build!! Love watching you build and learning more along the way for my future builds. I have not had any issue with RAM on my AMD build. I have Ryzen 9 7900X and run 4 sticks of DDR5 6000.
Many years ago I swore never to get another AMD, due to overheating an instability. With all of the recent horror stories with Intel, their attitude about the issues and treatment of their customers, I went AMD on my last build. I've not had any issues and I have been very happy with the performance. I am also running at at 6000 without issue.
I've seen a few comments like yours here but in all the years I've been using and building with AMD cpus, I've never had a problem. I've been building with AMD since the K5 series back in 86/87.
I had a Phenom 2 1090T 16GB ram from 2009, upgraded to a i7 3930k 64 GB ram around 2014, upgraded to a Ryzen 7 2700x 48 GB ram in 2019, now building a Ryzen 9 7950x system with 64 GB ram. The kids get my 2700x now since they only do light gaming and watch RUclips.
The Bulldozer era was rough though. My first full PC build had an Athlon XP 1900+ built in 2001, then Athlon 64 X2 4400+ I built in 2006, then ended up with a QX6700 in 2011 for free and built a 4770k system in 2013. But I'm back on AMD now with my 5950X.
Intel was fine back in the day, and AMD absolutely wasn't. You missed out. Nowadays though, it makes much more sense to go AMD. I'm all for team red right now, but AMD isn't some sort of prosumer company or anything. The only brand I had brand loyalty to was EVGA, because they were actually on your side and showed it with action rather than words.
My roommate is running my original EVGA GTX 1080, still running strong, was even an upgrade on his couple year old budget build. My old (and first custom build) PC is sitting up stairs, still rocking the P67 FTW mobo and was still running great until I retired it 3-4 years ago. Absolutely love EVGA and they will be missed.
Hey @Jayztwocents - There is a single frame at 3:35 talking about the Maxon Universe App being unlicensed and to login. May want to get that checked out... lol Also, love the build vids! Honestly, love all the vids. Love the honesty and transparency you give too. Reason why I keep coming back to your channel!
Everyone else runs 6000 RAM + Buildzoid EZ timings easy peasy just looking at the QVL list for the mobo and making sure it's 100% supported. Jayz: "I'll just try this RAM." *FACEPALMS*
Jay, read this comment. Even if the RAM manufacturer announces that it has EXPO you still need to take a look at the motherboard's QVL list for compatibility. That way you know it's 100% safe.
I'm not a PC builder, I keep my PC's for years and years (last one was a 3700X). I just switched to a Asus Prime X670-P MB, with a 7950X and 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB running at 6000 MHz with EXPO. Apart from it being very different to build with this, all sorts of weird beeps when initially started, and BIOS update failed the first time I tried it (probably because I did it from the NVME, and not the USB they TELL YOU TO DO :-D ), and had to use the flashback, it works like a charm. I did some stresstesting it for a few hours, and I haven't seen any stability issues so far. I haven't activated any cpu overclocking yet, still waiting for the Thermal Grizzly TPM to have enough temperature cycles to be happy.
I run a 7950X3D with the Gigabyte X670E Master. I use the G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series AMD EXPO 32GB and I've had zero problems running it at 6000 for over a year now.
Any issues otherwise with your build and the 7950X3D? That's the exact (well, different Aorus/GB mobo, but still in the family lol) combo that I'm wanting for my new build. I really want 64GB of RAM with 4 sticks, but for some reason AM5 just won't let us lol. Hopefully the new 9k series and new chipsets will fix that.
I switched over to AMD back in 2020 after using Intel for like 15+ years and I’m really glad I decided to. I’m on a 3900X and I can tell it’s getting a bit long in the tooth now so I’m probably just gonna do a socket drop-in with a 5700X3D or 5800X3D.
5700X3D is substantially cheaper over here (185eur vs 300 currently) for a comparatively small performance loss over the 5800X3D, so getting the latter doesn't really make any sense at this point. Also if the tray version is cheaper, get that one over the boxed. Neither of the boxed X3D ones come with a cooler so it's kinda pointless to pay more for it... unless you want the cardboard box as a showpiece or something lol
@@vask3863 If you're in the EU, you get 2 years mandatory warranty via the shop you bought it from by law. Elsewhere? You're on your own with the tray version
@@vask3863 I've tried replying to this with a relatively long-winded explanation multiple times now and youtube keeps deleting the comment. Can't be bothered to try anymore
Same. "The number is smaller, how can I go on?" "Do you need something that powerful to play your games at the resolution you want?" "But the number..."
Smiling! You are correct on the spinning red logo on the GPU, first thing that your eye is focused on, plus it's like watching an out of balance wheel spinning. Cover them up please!
Jay switched from Intel to AMD ( CPU's ) and last January i switched from NVidia to AMD ( GPU ) and i have ZERO regrets. Zero crashes Zero driver issues zero problems and the software is SO much better than NVidia's. Picked up a new RX 7900 XT for close $600 dollars with a sale and a coupon. Bye Bye Nvidia and it might be forever. under volted the card and i see a high temp under full load after 45 minutes of 64C Thats it and the fans never go above 50%! almost dead silent and around 8% faster than stock putting it closer to the RTX 4080 performance at almost half the price.
I'm so glad I landed on the AMD side of things when I finally chose to upgrade. I was mainly doing it for budgetary reasons, but the fact that I'm not having to deal with the fallout from all this nonsense is just a huge plus.
Yep, my first AMD since almost 20y or so (Athlon XP Barton) and also my first AMD GPU pretty much ever. 24GB of VRAM for a lower price than the 4080 and having crazy CPU efficiency is awesome.
Yhello, a big lofive to the montage (great track) 😉😉 Phil at his finest 🐐🐐🐐🐐, I switched out to AMD years ago, still running my Ryzen 9 3900x, 64gb RAM, my daily driver and hosts about 6-7 Hyper-V machines and still 100% quick AF....
I am using a 7950X3D with 4 sticks of Hynix A-Die RAM and is able to post on 6000CL30 on a B650M Aorus Elite AX, but is only fully stable at 5200CL30. With 2 sticks it's fully stable at 6000CL30.
@@sncy5303 I've been running my Hellhound 7900XTX for about 6 months now and haven't had a single issue. Wonder if there's much of a difference between different aftermarket cards?
Yeah I had the same problem until driver 24.5.1. It's been a long road but I'm hoping it's over. I've been an amd guy for a long time trying to keep a second option alive but the 7000 series almost broke me.@@sncy5303
Make sure you have the latest BIOS, (They had some major Memory compatibility improvements with some AGESA versions AFAIK) You should at least be able to run 6000 on your system :D Nice Build and good luck ! Personally have a Gigabyte B650 Board with 6000MT/s running with a 7600X flawlessly with low latency mode ^^
I appreciate you giving your rationale for switching after the build montage. I've continued to watch you for years because of your integrity and how informational your videos are, they help me make decision whenever it comes time for me to make an upgrade and I will be forever grateful
Going to the 7800X3D after being a 14900K owner who had his CPU overvolt itself and die, already underclocked and undervolted is like going from being kicked in the balls repeatedly to being stranded on Hawaii with Catherine Zeta Jones.
@@MikeZak101 that's not the point. you shouldn't have to, products shouldn't self immolate at stock settings. Period! I love tweaking CPUs but, that's not something that should be expected of owners.
Been rocking AMD 7950x3d since launch and I have no regrets. Runs smooth, no issues, blue screen or anything. Consumes reasonable power in idle/full load.
I was one of the people who got burned on the i9 chip --- ironically, it was a gift when brand-new from a techy acquaintance -- and the money it cost me to replace that chip and board (with AMD) was painful. Thanks for nothing, Intel.
I was warned off the i9 as I were going to get then i9 14 series, but having heard multiple warnings, and further review, I'm going for the i7 14700 instead. It's somewhat shocking intel dove to those levels
@@ComplexAutistjust a warning some i7s are failing too. Nowhere near as bad as the i9s but still something to think about. If it were me i would go with 12th gen or switch to AMD
@@ComplexAutist , i would hold off i have an 13700k i turned of any boost i ran it @5300 from start i trew it on hot attic and me being stupid and not checking ram QVL ( bought 6400mhz but no xmp so 4000mhz in reality since i din't want to mess about and figure out what is stable ) ill have to retest after microcode update but i have had stability issues on default
Team RED for the win! Been off Intel/Nvidia and using AMD since I picked AM5 and RX 7k for my new build, haven't been disappointed and haven't looked back. AMD is definitely the right path for now if you're looking to build.
I don't know why people think white doesn't show dust. It totally does. dust isn't white. I love white cases and peripherals and components but they get dirty and dusty just like the black ones.
Right. Beige however nearly hides it all. I use a Model M keyboard and it gets dusty and I can't even see the dust on it until I brush a finger across it
For a split second, at 3:35, "Universe is unlicensed" image popped up? "Please launch the Maxon App and sign in to your account". What the heck was that?! :)
Weird that after a good run with 12th gen, the 13th and 14th gen suddenly decided to die on itself. I guess internal changes suddenly yeet itself to oblivion. Better luck next time, Intel.
Yeah speaking of 12th gen am still using my 12700k and doing fine no issues what so ever. So glad I did not upgraded sorry meant downgraded to a 13 or 14th gen cpu. If intel does not get their act together I be going with AMD on my next build
@@jthedestroytheman1404 I had a 12700KF and everything ran flawlessly with great temps. "Upgraded" to a 14700K and i can't keep that thing cool to save my life even after going to a custom loop with a 360 and 240rad. I want to lap it but holding out incase something happens to it and i need to RMA it.
Been running 12th gen now for over a year, still reliable and stable. Intel is still great on 12th gen, can probably save some money on the platform if you are not up to the newest and latest.
I went from a 13700k because of issues I had to a 7800x3d build and ironically, the asrock z670e steel legend. Solid build. Nothing is without its issues. My first 7800x3d had to be replaced due to failure. So anything can fail. Brand loyalty in the area of computers makes zero sense. Getting what offers the best performance for the dollar spent, makes more sense.
He toned it down to be more youth/family friendly over the years. But go back and watch his older stuff. Nvidia specifically was a source of more f-bombs from Jay than landmines in Cambodia.
I love your vids Jay, I've been following you for a long time. I jumped from team blue to red last year, I went from 13th gen i9 to the Ryzen 7 7800x3D I've had issue with it like most people but the last 3/4 bios updates have ironed out a lot of the issues tbh. I have 64gb of DRR5 (clocked at 6400mhz- CL30) and I've used all 4 ram slots and I've had no issues for about 12 weeks now.. Well touch wood.
Been using my 7800X3d and RX 7900XTX build for over a year. No issues and low temps at no higher than 70c on both the CPU/GPU with the undervolt and overclocking in the bios with my AAA gaming. Completely happy with my gaming build. I have a feeling Jay will appreciate how far AMD has come.
i have an issue with running 6000... it worked for the fist few months and i dont know if it was a update but it just stopped working 7800x3d b650 tomahawk corsair 6000 but expo currently off
@@SEIGE381 Interesting... I just wrote a separate comment to Jay (and others people I guess), about running my RAM's "supposed speeds" at 7200MT/s and CL32, on my 7800X3D, and have been doing so for almost a year now. No issues at all.
@@SEIGE381 might be it's exceeding the voltage threshold ryzen's memory controller is rated for. iirc it's 1.35v +- 10%, so if the kit's 1.5v you're gonna have problems. could also be your motherboard did what jay mentioned in the pinned comment on this video, where it changed the FCLK to 1733 instead of 2000 at 1:1
@codcade, yeah, while there are some driver issues, so is there with nvidia GPUs as of lately. The difference is that AMD seems a lot more prosumer. 1. FSR are available to different GPUs including Nvidia GPUs as it is software while DLSS is bound to the graphic series you are on, forcing you to buy new GPUs 2. Having an older AMD GPU they still show you love by keep releasing optimizing driver updates, not so much on Nvidia, again forcing you to buy a new GPU. I just switched away from Nvidia solely because the 4000 series is pure trash, and Nvidia is very anti consumer. I haven't looked back. I have zero issues and it is performing like crazy!
the 4090's dual encoders help a lot in video workstations, you can either half the time to encode by encoding alternate frames at the same time, or encode 2 videos at once per card. if it was something not so encoder dependent, then i could see Jay throwing an RX 7900XTX in there.
You can’t use it for everything. I have a Einstar 3D scanner for example and need a NVIDIA card. Stable diffusion runs only on NVIDIA too. So it depends on your needs if you can use a AMD card. And AMD cards are harder to repair too.
I feel you on Tributes... When I retired my first ever build I got rid of a lot of it because it was all big (I regret getting rid of my 4870x2) But I did save the 2x4gb sticks of OCZ DDR2 and my E8400 Core 2 Duo. I put them in a shadowbox on my wall with the XP pro X64 DVD and COA as A Tribute to where I got my start in PC Building.
True. And nobody switches to AMD for good. It’s like the guy that sells his BMW for a Prius because fuel “Efficiency.” 3 months on the road and he’s browsing that BMW catalog again.
Jay gotta keep this for at least a year. If he switches back to Intel before then, then Nick and Phil should be allowed to "cable manage" Jay's new Intel build any way they want.
13900k running fine ATM, been undervolted day 1 and no stability issues so far, Gonna Cash in on my 13900k micro center warranty when the next gen comes through, then ill make my decision to swap back to AMD or not.
13900KS , no issue whatsoever and I am avoiding to update the bios to limit the performance. If it does, it does...but so far no issues at all. And yes, using expensive mobbo and undervolted from day 1 so doubt that it's gonna die anytime soon. Funny thing is, apparently statistics from Puget says AMD has a higher failure rate than Intel
i'm satistisfied with the cpu too, enough that i could skip am5 entirely. but... the I/O is getting outdated. pci-e gen3 sucks, and i want the new fast fancy USB ports and all that jazz. if i upgrade to AM5 someday, it'll be because of that, not the cpu
Not that I'm questioning you, but I just made sure when I built my new machine (ASRock X670E Steel Legend mobo), I made sure to get RAM that was on their QVL and I've had zero issues running 6000MHz RAM.
Hey everyone. Regarding the switch back to AMD. I didn't use the 9000 series yet because we don't have the 9900 or 9950 yet, and those chips are going to be used for testing for a while. But I'm excited to see how they perform.
Also if you see the "Universe is Unlicensed" message we don't know why that appeared in the export, our license is current and logged in at time of export, I don't feel that message is worth taking down and reuploading.
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Edit! I was able to get 6000mhz RAM working fine actually. Since filming this video I noticed that the "auto" FCLK was setting to 1733mhz. Once manually setting it to 2000 and 1:1 it worked great. I have no idea why the Gigabyte bios doesn't default to a 1:1 but it's working now
why you dont use GSKILL SPECIAL FOR AMD RYZEN? they have minimum erorr,blue screen
Don't know why, but I've had nothing but issues with Gigabyte when it comes to memory overclocking... I use MSI x670 and I have no issue running 6000 Mhz memory. It runs my expo timings no issue with my 7950X. Just an FYI.
Honestly, Im waiting to see Reviews of the 9000 Series to see whats the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade from my Ryzen 7700 Non-X. I stream and play games, so pure gaming performance isnt only just part of what I need to look at.
How's the 7950X3D so far? I've seen a lot of weirdness with the off-kilter dual CCD layout for gaming, do you think it's any better for more workstation-y stuff?
I’ve used an X670E Ace from MSI and have had 0 issues with Kingston and now Corsair memory at 6000+
I miss EVGA.
So say we all
Where did they go? Can someone explain?
@@jonduke4748they stopped working with nvidia on discrete gpu's due to complications between the two companies. Nvidia basically drew them away
Why miss a company that chose to leave on its own terms? They weren't forced out; it was their decision to exit the graphics card market.
@@jonduke4748 EVGA announced in September 2022 that it would no longer manufacture graphics cards, citing several reasons for this decision:
1. **Disagreements with NVIDIA**: EVGA had a long-standing partnership with NVIDIA, but there were reports of strained relations. EVGA's CEO, Andrew Han, mentioned issues related to NVIDIA's pricing policies, lack of transparency, and perceived unfair treatment as reasons for the decision.
2. **Profit Margins**: EVGA stated that the profit margins on their graphics card business had become too thin. Despite the high demand for GPUs, particularly during the cryptocurrency mining boom, EVGA felt that the financial returns were not sustainable.
3. **Business Focus**: EVGA decided to focus on other product lines, such as power supplies, motherboards, and other components. This strategic shift aims to ensure the company's long-term viability and success in markets where they see better opportunities for growth and profitability.
2 vids later "I switched back to Intel and here's why"
Ps. Just want to say thank you to all for helping me complete a bucket list item to get likes on a RUclips comment. Was never expecting this much. Thank you all!
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For the clicks
Pretty much. lol they gotta feed the YT algorithm some how 😂
Cause their better obviously
@@timmypowers5926 "they're better" FTFY
I had 13900K, which was RMAed to 14900. Unfortunately it did not last that long. So I have decided to get my money back as Intel did crash in the games. I did buy AMD too, 7950x3d it was. I still got no refund from Intel but I do enjoy games on my new AMD
Either they should give you another cpu or money back. Small claims court? Or just keep emailing them?
Lawsuit time
What's you're setup for youre 7950?
Intel laying off 15,000 people. For perspective, that's how many employees AMD had total in 2021.
@MakuArein Exactly
I think that’s their AI department 😂
@MakuArein But also intel just got into dGPUs (for the most part, they've tried before) and they already have better Upscaling and better Raytracing than AMD.
@MakuAreindon't forget Intel is also a much larger company with more departments. Intel has had more spinoffs and spin downs than AMD, like memory, motherboard design etcetera. AMD spinoff it's fab to become fabless and bought ATI to compete with nVidia. Intel has had lots of fab issues over the years so they will be using TSMC while they catch up.
Intel also has a long history of wasting billions of dollars on failed business ventures or trying to expand in other areas outside of their specialty but falling short.
@@Rspsand07Still won’t be trading in my AMD GPU for Intel anytime soon. I would get nvidia/AMD over Intel any day just due to better driver support, especially on older games.
Jay you are looking super healthy. Really happy for you brother.
100%. To your health @Jay
Thats because hes got a AMD system instead.-> Happy customer.
@@rallyscootcringe brand loyal npc
@@slaydog5102 my guy that was what we on planet internet call "a joke"
Still stunning to hear people blame users for Intel processor failures ("not tuning their voltages properly") and not blaming Intel for stagnant architecture and overvolting to destruction to appear competitive. Remember... cults aren't cool, kids!
Plus users CAN'T fix it, even if they wanted to, the CPU's VID table inside the CPU's microcode is whack...
@@bigpoppa1234 amd was atleast quick with the fix and ensured everyone got a replacement
You can’t fix it …ever!
Nvidia was the same with their 4090 power connector. They blamed the user even when fully insert it still melted.
It's Xbox ylod Stockholm syndrome all over again
My 7800X3D has been running 6000MT ram for over a year now with no problems. I am using Corsair Vengeance model CMK32GX5M2D6000C36 SKU 6536565. Its only CL36 instead of CL32 like I wanted, but I was on a time constraint and got what I could.
yea not sure what he’s doing wrong but i’ve used 2 dual rank kits on 3 7000x3d chips now and i’ve been able to run 6000mts on all of them. anta777 absolut memory test runs all day.
Mine won’t boot beyond 3600mhz. Although I am running 4 sticks and this was not an issue when I only had 2 in my system.
@@papa_andy4497 single rank dual channel will pretty much guarantee 6000mts
dual rank dual channel is all about voltages unless you’re really unlucky with your imc. and i mean really unlucky.
4 sticks dual rank is cooked unless you’re really lucky. and i mean really lucky.
@@papa_andy4497 How long did you wait? AM5 boot times increase by quite a bit the faster and bigger your RAM amount is. This is due to memory training. I have 32GB 6000 and it takes about 35 seconds. Longer in some instances, like when you reset EXPO or update BIOS.
Still can’t believe EVGA stopped making GPUs and mobos 😢 Was a loyal customer a long time.
They will come back. Hard to make it on just PSU. Maybe they will start partnering with AMD and make some killer products.
Greedy Nvidia is why
@@nissan300ztt look at seasonic
I hear ya.. I have a row of Hydro copper video cards that will end with the next upgrade...
@@nissan300ztt They will never make nvidias gpu again.. They made some Motherboard for AMD... But gpu never.
One thing I learned about the cpu world is brand loyalty is stupid. I just want what works for me. Currently intel maybe amd next. That’s the fun
Funny how all the youtubers now switching to AMD, after years of arrrse licking/money grabbing intel
@@PixelVogue let see how long Jay will stick to AMD.. hehe..
Brand loyalty is stupid is general
@@WanBerry Probably for as long as it works for him? Like, maybe, the rest of us should do?
This brand loyalty and asking everyone to switch will have insane consequences.. competition will evaporate, and prices will skyrocket…the chip business is insanely expensive
"we went with a white crucial because there is no rgb and it will look sick"
The end of the video the whole case is glowing like a 70's disco.
but no rgb its set to intel colour xD
Our man Phil still slaying it better and better with the shots and the cuts and the edits.
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except the f-bomb he missed..lol...
Why is he so good at it! I can't get over the feels I get.
I run EXPO 6000mhz RAM on my 7950X3D with no issues! Must be the RAM you’re using. I opted for TEAM-GROUP T-Create and haven’t had any stability issues with it at all!
Yeah there’s no chance a non-faulty AM5 CPU can’t run 6000. It’s literally impossible.
What’s your boot time? I have the ram you said you have and with Xmp it takes 45 seconds to boot but without XMP it takes 17 seconds
@@Red_Beard_Builds enable memory context restore and power down mode
@@Red_Beard_Builds 10-20 seconds. GIGABYTE X670e motherboard.
@@Red_Beard_Builds I have the same ram, boot time average is 14.6 secs. Enable memory context restore.
I had a customer come in with blue screening and the inability to install windows. Sure enough, the 14900k was toast. 8 months old. Intel didn't even reply to his support ticket for days. He gave up and proceeded to order an amd motherboard/cpu. Intel is going to lose so many customers over this.
So sad to read... Hopefully AMD doesn't disappoint you in future
I would have Callled Intel back and told them. That I will join the lawsuit and send the cpu back to Gamers Nexus
@@Games_and_TechIf AMD also falls, we would enter a dark age for pc building ngl
@Games_and_Tech well I recently RMAd my 9 7900X and it went pretty smoothly.
@@thatrealba what was wrong with it?
My 13900K died around Christmas of 2023, I RMA'd It, sold it and used the funds to purchase a B650, 7800X3D platform and I couldn't be happier; RAM @6400, CL30 is Y Cruncher VST stable and the performance is around 10% higher than that of my 13900K in competitive titles.
my cpu crashes with 6400 ram and i turned off xmp and no problems. it is a 7600. if at anytime you experience that just get the speed to 5200 because that's what amd recommends
@@luladrgn9155 Every AM5 should do 6000 with today's kits and enough tinkering; no need for loose timings. Makes sense since even AM4 can usually support 5000 MHz DDR4.
@@luladrgn9155 u need to put up 1,25 or 1,3v soc voltage... its the memory controller that failed..
@@FloForego i don't wanna touch the bios, i'm scared. sitting at 1,4v 4800 no problem. if it aint broke dont fix it
Wait. You sold your dead 13900K? Did the person buying it from you know it was dead?
You should make a new World of Warships Intro where Nic stream snipes you to get your attention.
Never ran an AMD system, but as soon as the 9950X3D and the X870 boards come out in September, the 14900K is outta here.
x870e only adds usb4 as a standard feature. there are currently x670e boards out with usb4 already. save a lil bit of money. also its been stated that 9000 ram sweet spot is 6400mhz. im currently running my 7800x3d at 6400 so idk how jay is the only person having issues running decent ram speeds.
@@larrydysondev which mobo are you running?
You won't miss Intel. I have been building computers since the 1990s. Mostly Intel through all those years until 2019, moved over to AMD and never looked back. I play a lot of games.
Would it be called X770 ??
And I have a 7950x but the difference in 9000s was efficient mainly with same clocks so might have to skip it and wait for 10000 CPUs since it should still work on the same socket
@@larrydysondev Did you have to manually overclock it to be stable?
I'm glad I've stuck with AMD this whole time. Intel is dropping the ball hard
they had ball(s)? that's news to me 🤣
Stuck with AMD through bulldozer?
yeah, thats putting it mildly. The latest GN video was pretty brutal.
@@MrBillrookard haha, just came over here from that vid. steve didn't spit on it.
AMD is hardly without it's faults. It just gets ignored by it's fanboys.
Built 2 PCs with 7800X3D, one for work and one for home, the one at work has 6400 DDR5 memory from gskill, works great. The one at home has corsair Dominator 5600 DDR5 OC'd to 6000. im not getting why people are having problems with memory... but yea i switched from Intel, AMD is rocking it right now.
They run 4 sticks and don't tune or match parts or anything correctly then cry because thier first build doesn't run right.
7800X3D w/ G.Skill 6400 on MSI X670E.
Could only get to 6000 at first
But now it's running fine on 6400 EXPO after a couple BIOS updates
Well maybe some people never updated their BIOS since there were some major improvements with some AGESA versions AFAIK.
The initial Zen3 run seemed to have a less dialed in memory controller. Chips like Jay's initial run all are really spotty on managing 6000. I had a first run 7800X3D that simply could not stay stable with anything over 5600. Built a second one recently using another 7800X3D and 6000 works perfectly fine.
Anyone you hear mentioning the 6000 issue is definitely running an initial production run Zen3 SOC. Works way better on the newer ones. Doesn't appear to be BIOS related.
For one, it has to do with the CPU you get. The X3D are very fickle when it comes to their memory controller.
For two, it has to do with the quality of the RAM and if it's on the QVL list. Not all of them are equivalent, and getting shitty ones with shitty timing will be a bad time for an X3D.
14:13
Phil you nailed the music and editing here. It no joke had me replaying that section of the video *multiple* times - that color inverted transition was also sick.
Always a treat watching this content. Glad you guys are still doing what you love.
I love AMD. I haven’t had any issues from a 5600x, 5800x3d, 5900x, now it’s 7800x3d.
My Journey:
3200+ -> 2500K -> 2700 -> 3700X -> 3950X - > 5950x -> 12950X3D
I love intel haven't had any issues 3700k 4790k 6700k 5930k 6950x 8700k 9900k 12900k 13700k 13900k❤❤
I don't overcloock don't use exteme enthusiasts boards 😏
@@snow-uq4gx Id say this aged like milk, but milk is still fresh after 9 minutes. The motherboards weren't to blaim. Intel mass shipped faulty 13 and 14th gen chips, have known about it since early 13th gen and tried to smokescreen with the motherboards. Im glad you didnt use your 13700k long enough to fail (they do get worse over time as they corrode) and I hope your 13900k is one of the golden samples that isnt destroying itself, but it will probably need to be turned down lower and lower as time goes on to keep it from crashing.
@@TheDacanethere is no golden sample. Its just how much longer can the chip hide the defects. The chips would fail on h series mobo anyways. But looks like this guy has upgrade schedule of every 3 months so if he buys every single generation he shouldn't face instabilities because he doesnt use the cpu for long time.
@@scarletspidernzFX9590 > 7800x3d for me 😅
My AMD 7800X3D and 7900 XTX has been going strong for over a year now. I’m able to hit 4K 120 Ultra with absolutely no upscale or any tricks. I do everything pure. I have to admit I’m a very impressed for the $1000 price point.
Same here 6 months in.
You’ve done it solid. Now the other whatever percent has to have the top of the line team blue and green because idiot RUclipsrs hype certain features, idiot Reddit dorks preach their wallet mostly because they want to brag. Now here we are, waiting to see what next and what RUclipsr uploads the next best thing for the cycle to repeat.
Nice man. I’ve been on a 7950X since launch and upgraded my GPU to a 7900XTX about 3 months ago. Also not a days hassles and very happy with my setup.
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, G.SKILL 64GB (4x16) Flare X5 DDR5 6000MHz CL32, ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING, SAPPHIRE NITRO+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X 24GB. One year, rock solid, no problem.
Do you have any driver issues? I want to get Amd but the driver issue scare me. I don't wanna deal with crashes and driver timeouts
I find it kind of surprising that people are complaining about Jay walking back and forth between AMD and Intel. What would the alternative be, ignoring blatant instability issues that everyone is facing and pretend like they don't exist (on either platform)? I find it refreshing to know a big name youtuber can go "this toy sucks right now, make it better" rather than just acting like everything is golden.
@Belgaer I'm confused if you're saying my comment is perpetuating brand loyalty? My comment was highlighting and enticing people to avoid a brand loyalty mentality by going with whatever service/goods provider best satisfies their needs at the time. Specifically, if that changes to not feel ashamed of switching to something else, and further, to celebrate when people that have some semblance of sway with those organizations start to put pressure on them to do better. If you're just reiterating that point then sweet, and if you misinterpreted then sorry I wasn't more clear.
Yeah I don’t get it either. It’s like people are mad he tells the truth you know? lol it’s dumbfounding😂
I don't think its that. I just think he makes a lot of click baity videos when stuff like this happens. Asus has problems and then he grandstands about how great he is for cutting them off and same thing with Intel. He drops brands when its popular and picks them back up when its convenient. I like Jays content a lot so this isn't me hating on the guy per se, but I definitely noticed this pattern and it's a little off putting.
@@SpartanArmy117 I can definitely appreciate that and unfortunately I think that could be chalked up to the RUclips hype train needing clicks and watch time. Jay and LTT have both mentioned that they're not really "interested" in making videos that dunk on companies because they'd rather be talking about cool new tech instead. That being said, they've also highlighted how ridiculous the numbers are when putting out content that steers towards drama. So they're sort of stuck between not addressing and being called a shill, or addressing it (still being called a shill) and at least alerting customers to potential product drawbacks while cashing in at the same time. The sensationalization sucks, but unfortunately that's the game RUclips has built.
7800 x3d working fine with 32 GB of Trident Z Neo @6000 CL 30. Never had any issues.
Yeah I don't know why he's having so many issues. I'm currently running 64GB of Corsair CMT64GX5M2B6000Z30 DDR5 6000Mhz CL30 on an MSI X670E Carbon and 7950X with no issues. They run perfectly at their rated speeds.
Although I get the feeling it might be due to one of two possibilities:
1: The Crucial memory he's using. No offense intended to Crucial, but I definitely wouldn't have used those because Crucial exclusively use Micron dies. Micron dies are known to probably be the worst choice for DDR5 this generation. You really want to have Hynix M dies on Ryzen DDR5, but I even would've accepted Samsung dies at CL36 over Micron. I don't mean to rag on Micron, because it's a generally good company for a lot of products. They just missed the mark with their DDR5 this time around.
2: If that's the same CPU Jay used before he switched to Intel (which it sounds like it is), he originally complained that the memory issues he had with that CPU became worse over time, the more he used it. During that same time that it came out that motherboards, especially Asus, which is what Jay originally used, were pushing way too much voltage to the SOC which was physically damaging CPUs. So I'm kind of wondering if Jay actually completely managed to dodge damage being dealt to his CPU during that time frame or if his CPU is "functional" but actually faulty. As he said, he originally hit 6000Mhz, but his system stability got worse over time until he couldn't hit it anymore. That description sounds like it could be possible degradation damage over time. So I wonder if he still wouldn't be able to 6000Mhz if he tried a new 7950X3D that was never used while that SOC damage event was ongoing.
I also have 7800x3d with 32gb 6000 ram CL32 (2×16).. no issues at all. Not sure what all the ram issues are about, as I have not had any issues.
Something's wrong with either these crucial sticks/compatibility.
i didn't hear about issues with 7800x3d or 7950x3d and 6000mhz ram. These crucials pro I think are standard 1.35v and have EXPO, should be fine but isnt. They have Micron most brands use Hynix dies but it would be such a stupid reason…
4x16GB at 6200C32, checking in. 7950X3D and X670E Aorus Master. They're 5600C36 kits (which POST and pass TM5/Y-Cruncher at their XMP profiles), just bumped VDD to 1.4v and tightened timings from there. Also not sure why Jay always seems to have cursed memory compatibility, but it shouldn't be too hard to get it running at 6000MT with minor adjustments.
Going straight to -30 PBO CO on a dual CCD part is also a pretty bad idea. It's almost certainly not stable, and it'll either crash on OCCT Core Cycler ST rotation, Y-Cruncher or during desktop idle. If you're going to OC, do it right.
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find a comment about this. Same here though. I don't understand it. Maybe he's not updating to the latest BIOS? No issues running a TeamGroup 6000 CL30 kit in mine. Been running strong since November 2023 when I built my system.
6000 on AM5 isn't much of an issue these days, all chips should be capable of doing it. Just don't go over two sticks with 6000 as that's when issues start with Ryzen 7000. I run 2x 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 6000 CL30 with a 7950X3D and it's rock solid on the Asus X670E.
I got ASUS TUF x670e and the 7800x3d
ASUS tuf B650 with 7600X and the Tuf A620M 7500F
all running 6000mhz ddr 5 cl30 but on the expo 2 in bios, if i use expo 1 they crash eventually.
I've got the Corsair Vengeance 6000 at C30 with a 7800x3D and Asus B650E-I and I've had no issues whatsoever.
Yep, got a much cheaper aorus b650M Aorus Elite AX. Bit of messing around with voltages and it's stable running 6400mhz c28. Maybe it's his "quick and dirty -30" crashing which would be inevitable.
So buy a high end product but don't use more than 2 sticks lol
It is with gigabyte boards
I have been using Msi motherboards for the last 15 years and haven't had a single problem with any of them. They are the most reliable stable boards I have every used.
Always cool to see new builds! Also cool to see that screwdriver show up in videos. I happened to be in the same group at LTX while you assembled it.
Pentium ll, Core2, I7-4770K, I7-9700K, I7-11700K and now R7-7800X3D. No regrets
Hows your change to amd works ? I mean 7800X3D for gaming ? Is it all smooth no stuttering no major problems ?
I have i7 13700k which is runs fine at the moment but I'm considering sell it and go for 7800x3d, i was okay with intel for a must have high end AIO but with this issue I can't live with it
@@meangamers623 Coming from the 11700K, choosing the 7800X3D was a huge jump, because I mainly use flight simulator, which is extremely demanding on the CPU. It runs very well, perfectly stable, I have a Strix B650E-E, 6000-cl30 RAM, pbo -30, fclk 2000 Mhz, 1:1. But in your case, I honestly don't recommend you change at all. If you don't feel comfortable with an Intel system, understandably with everything that's going on (use a grain of salt), I think you should wait and see what comes with Zen5, especially wait a few more months for the 3D CPUs. The 13700K is an excellent CPU, don't change it for now. Cheers
I built a 7800x3D based system for my nephew at the end of last year and I put 2 16GB sticks of Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 in it running at 6000MHz and he's had no problems at all.
I don't know why almost 0 youtuber talks about that XMP/EXPO is not a 100% working technology, it just not works for everyone out of the box.. if you have crashes or wierd freezing then you either has to switch it off (or if you are lucky then you have another profile on lower freq) or if you have the knowledge (99,999999999% of the PC users lack that) you can tinker in the BIOS and with some experimenting you can adjust the timings/freqs and it will work fine
I know it probably doesn't mean anything, but I have been running a 7950X3D for well over a year now with ram at 6000mhz. No crashes, and 24hr memtest stable (yes I went through the effort to test this).
Since Jay has this issue on 2 separate motherboards and ram kits, it makes me wonder if the memory controller on his cpu is a dud. There are many people that have no issue running 6000mhz ram on ryzen x3d parts. Something's off here.
Is motherboard dependent and Gigabyte is terrible on ram combability.
Bro! That's awesome!
I'm replacing my 'at it's end' 4970k and 1070.
The last of my parts is the 7800x3D and motherboard. Went a little extra and got an rtx 4080 super. Can't wait.
I only had issues with my DDR5-6000 RAM with my 7800X3D when I had 4 sticks. When I reduced to 2 sticks it worked flawlessly.
I went for AM4 during the 'rona, upgraded to 5800x3d recently, and I'm very, very happy to be as far away from the team blue as humanly possible 👌
I love my 5800x3d. Awesome chip and no regrets with it!
5800x3D for me as well. No issues and she undervolts at -30 and full speed 4550MHz all day.
I sold my AM4 platform while it still had value and bought an AM5 platform. Started with a 7600X and have a 7800X3D, now. So happy I didn't shoot myself in the foot by investing in a dead platform, because I can buy so many more AM5 chips without having to touch my motherboard.
@@rustler08 I didn't see a point of 2-2,5x investment in AM5 for the 20% gain of 7800x3d over 5800x3d, as I'm currently using 3080 and see no reason to upgrade. I'll probably wait until 6080, or 6080S/Ti, in which case I'll just go for the whole new PC and sell the current one as a set, rather than individual parts.
I love rona, I miss rona.
Not even three minutes, and an uncensored f-bomb. That shows you how much Jay loved the products EVGA made.
Drove 5 hours to micro center for the first time last month to get all amd build for my first desktop.
Do you have any driver issues
@@falcon_224 LOL. I'd guess no, no driver issues.
Unless he had a crash along the way... That was one heck of a drive.
Got to give kudos for that level of committment in taking the plunge, though. Hope all went well with the build. First time building can be very nerve-wracking.
I've been running AM4 since 2020 (Asrock X570, was 3700X, now 5700X). Never had a crash or blue screen. 100% stable, and my most silent machine ever.
I'm out on intel, too. Replaced my last 12900k with a 7950x3d and never looked back. Bye, intel.
ironic considering 12th gen isn't even affected by all of this mess somehow lol
what a useless upgrade..
what the heck did u do that for lol
@@groenevinger3893 Maybe the Intel board getting mold too
Yep went with the 7800X3D for my new build.. reading about this INTEL fiasco makes me glad I went AMD.
Running a Ryzen 7 7700 32gb RAM running at 6000 perfectly happily for over a year. Along with a 7900XT hellhound. Great performance. In 26 years of PC my last intel was a Pentium II, lol. Always team red.
I've been running 7700X and 7800X3D's in various builds with 4 sticks of 6000 RAM (CL's 30, 32, and 36) And have had no issues in any of the systems.
I have a Msi b650 edge wifi and my computer won’t boot beyond 3600mhz with 4 sticks of CL 30. Although I haven’t updated my bios since march so maybe there has been an update that allows me to do this now.
@@papa_andy4497 The one MSI board I built with, I made sure to update the bios. MSI seems to have had the most issues with RAM. I've also used Asrock mobos as well without issue, though the MSI takes more time to boot than the Asrock mobos.
Most of my computers are Intel. At one point a decade ago I had 14 of them here. Now I have two X99 (i7-6800K, i7-6950X), a 9th Gen, a 12th Gen, the Xeon W7-2495X Workstation, and a Lenovo. My only AMD unit is an R9-5950X. My next computer that I am ordering parts for right now, is an AMD R9-7900X/9900X (I'm waiting for 9000 release to see which I'll go), ASUS X670E, 192GB, RTX3080. I'm going AMD this time, because I don't care what anyone says, the Intel 13900/14900 are 8-Core processors, and I need more cores. E-Cores are for laptops, not production systems. If Intel actually releases and supports Battlemage, then I'll put together an all Intel system for that, but I'll probably go X299 instead of 15th Gen (especially after what 13/14 Gen has done). I do software and game dev that's why I have so many computers.
INTEL in my view all the fails are on Asus motherboards. Servers W680 all Asus.
Motherboard Brands:
Asus 65% made in China.
Asrock 4% (parent company Asus)
Gigabyte 14% made in China/Taiwan
MSI 14% made in China/Taiwan
China has their fingers on almost all of the motherboards. Asus as the biggest. Asus alone control almost 70%.
Servers/CPU's:
INTEL 70.9%
AMD 20.5%. Both are U.S companies.
ARM 8.1% British company.
CPU Market Share Q2 2023:
INTEL 83%
AMD 17%
Does make me think there is something political going on and beyond. MSI MB's seem to have good record keeping the CPU working. Just not so long ago it was AMD that was melting on Asus boards pushing people to INTEL.
@@paulboyce8537 Loving the more than casual racism in there...
Look at Gamers Nexus' new vid about this, has nothing to do with mobos and everything to do with Intel screwing up massively and actively hiding it.
@@kristoffer3000 I don't think putting the blame to motherboards is allowed as they are 100% Chinese and Taiwan. CPU's are 100% U.S/UK. So whatever people are going to buy CPU's made in the West. There are sanctions to Russia and their allies. There would be panic if it is said aloud.
@@kristoffer3000 lmao, casual racism got you heated. Bro stop having performative outrage...
You should get Steve to say "Thanks, Jay" so you can play it when you mock/advertise him.
The total glow up of AMD CPU's is so insane I genuinely don't think we've ever seen a comeback this hard
From the "cheap poor man's option" to making a 100+ billion dollar competitor backfoot so hard they're starting to implode
Pretty sure that's why having an engineer who knows how these things work is a benefit for a corporation like them imo. Since their ceo literally worked on cpu's before becoming ceo
@@ADreamingTraveler To be fair they both are hell of some engineers. Of course shoutout to Lisa, but dont forget Jensen literally worked for a small point at ATI/AMD before developing nvidia.
@@Britspanic why are you bringing of nvidia in a discussion of AMD/intel? Irrelevant...
Same here after 20 years Intel i am running a AMD CPU for 10 months and i love it!!
My 13700 started randomly rebooting and just generally struggling two weeks ago.
I need a pc for work so I immediately ordered a prebuilt with 7700x and 4070s. So far I'm very happy with it.
I fully expected it to be slapped together and full of off brand parts, but "skytech" actually did a decent job with this.
Enjoy your new AMD build. Pretty sure you can't tell most of the time that you are no longer on Intel. (Aside the CPU not failing).
Were using the same GPU. It's just that I'm using the non-X version of the 7700.
intel is falling hard rn. i got 7600 and 6700xt since i had a low budget and it's great
@@luladrgn9155 indeed. ever since my prebuilt with an E6600, 4GB and GT8800GS was no good (PCIe root hub started failing) in 2018, i've been rocking AMD ever since and besides some teething issues with the RX 500 series, no issues what so ever. currently rocking a 5600X and 6700XT, both tuned. Presently looking at that 5700X3D for my last horah with AM4
Havent heard of many people having problems hitting 6000mhz on the ram for these, i have a 7900x3d with a gskill kit running 6000 with zero issues.
Eyyy same cpu and ram for me xD. No issues too. Ram training time has even gone down over time with bios updates too.
Zero problems with 5 systems and skill ram as well
I fucking miss EVGA too! I also hope they heard it!
As someone that's been building and selling PCs since the 90s EVGA is the _only_ company I have nothing negative to say. I for one would have preferred to see them _expand_ rather than close up shop. Guess the owner was just tired of all the BS.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Maybe, but they quite _literally_ said they made so much profit through the GPU armageddon that they could easily afford to sit on a stack of 30 series cards and keep running at a semi functional level just to make sure any warrantees were fulfilled over the next couple years. They weren't exactly scraping by. I think it was more the political BS and stress of the race rather than margins.
And don't for a second think AMD is any better. There's a _reason_ they instantly said "hell no" when asked if they'd start making AMD cards, and keep in mind MSI recently dumped Radeon on it's ass too. In some ways AMD is _worse_ to deal with than Nvidia. Remember the 5600xt that changed specs at the last second and they only told Powercolor and Sapphire? Even though AMD _themselves_ sold the slower memory to the other AIBs? Not exactly the epitome of professionalism.
Don't be so quick to believe the crocodile tears about AIBs having no margins. They're just pissy they don't get the margins AMD and Nvidia do. Which they shouldn't when AMD and Nvidia are doing the vast majority of the engineering and investment.
Awesome build!! Love watching you build and learning more along the way for my future builds.
I have not had any issue with RAM on my AMD build. I have Ryzen 9 7900X and run 4 sticks of DDR5 6000.
Many years ago I swore never to get another AMD, due to overheating an instability. With all of the recent horror stories with Intel, their attitude about the issues and treatment of their customers, I went AMD on my last build. I've not had any issues and I have been very happy with the performance. I am also running at at 6000 without issue.
I've seen a few comments like yours here but in all the years I've been using and building with AMD cpus, I've never had a problem. I've been building with AMD since the K5 series back in 86/87.
I had a Phenom 2 1090T 16GB ram from 2009, upgraded to a i7 3930k 64 GB ram around 2014, upgraded to a Ryzen 7 2700x 48 GB ram in 2019, now building a Ryzen 9 7950x system with 64 GB ram. The kids get my 2700x now since they only do light gaming and watch RUclips.
And you have a really easy and significant upgrade path for them as well if you want to just pop a 5700X3D in there.
i still have a phenom 1090t with a deep cool cooler runing at 29° C. smoothly
2700x is still good for hard to medium gaming though xD
my friend still rocking r5 2600x and rtx 2060 Super and he's an animator who works from home
@@ShiroCh_ID I have a 3080 paired with my 2700x, runs everything just fine even on max settings.
@@ShiroCh_ID My point wasn't that 2700X = bad so much as that he still has a hefty chunk of upgrade potential still available to him on that platform.
I'm so glad that since my dad's friend who is PC builder suggested me to do AMD since 2005, and since then I never touch Intel once
You had a rough patch around 2012 😢
The Bulldozer era was rough though. My first full PC build had an Athlon XP 1900+ built in 2001, then Athlon 64 X2 4400+ I built in 2006, then ended up with a QX6700 in 2011 for free and built a 4770k system in 2013. But I'm back on AMD now with my 5950X.
Jay is really unlucky with AMD and memory lol.
Intel was fine back in the day, and AMD absolutely wasn't. You missed out. Nowadays though, it makes much more sense to go AMD. I'm all for team red right now, but AMD isn't some sort of prosumer company or anything. The only brand I had brand loyalty to was EVGA, because they were actually on your side and showed it with action rather than words.
Me too. I always had AMD CPUs I have a 5800X3D at the moment
My roommate is running my original EVGA GTX 1080, still running strong, was even an upgrade on his couple year old budget build. My old (and first custom build) PC is sitting up stairs, still rocking the P67 FTW mobo and was still running great until I retired it 3-4 years ago. Absolutely love EVGA and they will be missed.
Hey @Jayztwocents -
There is a single frame at 3:35 talking about the Maxon Universe App being unlicensed and to login. May want to get that checked out... lol
Also, love the build vids!
Honestly, love all the vids. Love the honesty and transparency you give too. Reason why I keep coming back to your channel!
Everyone else runs 6000 RAM + Buildzoid EZ timings easy peasy just looking at the QVL list for the mobo and making sure it's 100% supported.
Jayz: "I'll just try this RAM."
*FACEPALMS*
Jay, read this comment. Even if the RAM manufacturer announces that it has EXPO you still need to take a look at the motherboard's QVL list for compatibility. That way you know it's 100% safe.
exactly what i was thinking !
And he should update the Mother board BIOS.
That Will probably solves the issue.
I still have to find 6000 cl30 RAM that isn't compatible
I'm not a PC builder, I keep my PC's for years and years (last one was a 3700X). I just switched to a Asus Prime X670-P MB, with a 7950X and 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB running at 6000 MHz with EXPO. Apart from it being very different to build with this, all sorts of weird beeps when initially started, and BIOS update failed the first time I tried it (probably because I did it from the NVME, and not the USB they TELL YOU TO DO :-D ), and had to use the flashback, it works like a charm. I did some stresstesting it for a few hours, and I haven't seen any stability issues so far. I haven't activated any cpu overclocking yet, still waiting for the Thermal Grizzly TPM to have enough temperature cycles to be happy.
No need to wait, it only takes 10 cycles above 60'C. I am sure with benching you are well beyond that.
I run a 7950X3D with the Gigabyte X670E Master. I use the G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series AMD EXPO 32GB and I've had zero problems running it at 6000 for over a year now.
Any issues otherwise with your build and the 7950X3D? That's the exact (well, different Aorus/GB mobo, but still in the family lol) combo that I'm wanting for my new build. I really want 64GB of RAM with 4 sticks, but for some reason AM5 just won't let us lol. Hopefully the new 9k series and new chipsets will fix that.
Phil great job on the montage nice job on making switching scenes on bass areas keep doing a good job!!!
Clever PNY install... As a K|NGP|NY enthusiast, I approve.
I switched over to AMD back in 2020 after using Intel for like 15+ years and I’m really glad I decided to. I’m on a 3900X and I can tell it’s getting a bit long in the tooth now so I’m probably just gonna do a socket drop-in with a 5700X3D or 5800X3D.
5700X3D is substantially cheaper over here (185eur vs 300 currently) for a comparatively small performance loss over the 5800X3D, so getting the latter doesn't really make any sense at this point. Also if the tray version is cheaper, get that one over the boxed. Neither of the boxed X3D ones come with a cooler so it's kinda pointless to pay more for it... unless you want the cardboard box as a showpiece or something lol
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Does the tray versions has the same warranty as the box versions?
@@vask3863 If you're in the EU, you get 2 years mandatory warranty via the shop you bought it from by law. Elsewhere? You're on your own with the tray version
@@vask3863 I've tried replying to this with a relatively long-winded explanation multiple times now and youtube keeps deleting the comment. Can't be bothered to try anymore
That bit/rant at the 7:00 - 8:00 mark was funny. I've had too many similar conversations with myself. "Why are you REALLY getting this?"
Same.
"The number is smaller, how can I go on?"
"Do you need something that powerful to play your games at the resolution you want?"
"But the number..."
Smiling!
You are correct on the spinning red logo on the GPU, first thing that your eye is focused on, plus it's like watching an out of balance wheel spinning.
Cover them up please!
Jay "4080 super is enough." Jay's brain "4090 is not near enough"
me: an RX 6700 XT is all you need for 1440p gaming! (my current GPU btw)
my brain: the GeForce RTX 15900 Ti Super Pro is not near enough😈
My 5950X has been a bullet proof workhorse, easily overclocked to 4.4ghz
The 80s Synthwave music for the build was perfect
Jay switched from Intel to AMD ( CPU's ) and last January i switched from NVidia to AMD ( GPU ) and i have ZERO regrets. Zero crashes Zero driver issues zero problems and the software is SO much better than NVidia's. Picked up a new RX 7900 XT for close $600 dollars with a sale and a coupon. Bye Bye Nvidia and it might be forever. under volted the card and i see a high temp under full load after 45 minutes of 64C Thats it and the fans never go above 50%! almost dead silent and around 8% faster than stock putting it closer to the RTX 4080 performance at almost half the price.
Cope.
@@verde5738 Seethe.
I'm so glad I landed on the AMD side of things when I finally chose to upgrade. I was mainly doing it for budgetary reasons, but the fact that I'm not having to deal with the fallout from all this nonsense is just a huge plus.
Right?? I made the jump from Xbox last year, and I'm so happy I went AMD.
welp, as a proud owner of 7800x3d i can say my problematic 13thgen intel is on my shelf waiting to be rma:d
Yep, my first AMD since almost 20y or so (Athlon XP Barton) and also my first AMD GPU pretty much ever. 24GB of VRAM for a lower price than the 4080 and having crazy CPU efficiency is awesome.
The new standard for electronics: Does Steve advertise it?
the community trust steve and for good reasons lol LLSteve
Yeah, I can't stand the guy but I refuse to buy anything unless he has a video on it. He's just that good.
I run a Ryzen 9 7950X3D for gaming. Great purchase, completely satisfied. Don't use intel.
aye intel is over-rated
you know the 7800x3d is faster and cheaper? if you do more than gaming that's a good choice but for a gaming only pc thats not a good value cpu.
@@tomgreene538816 cores vs 8 cores 😏
Got the same chip!
No regrets over a year later.
cause the extreme stability issues?
Yhello, a big lofive to the montage (great track) 😉😉 Phil at his finest 🐐🐐🐐🐐, I switched out to AMD years ago, still running my Ryzen 9 3900x, 64gb RAM, my daily driver and hosts about 6-7 Hyper-V machines and still 100% quick AF....
I am using a 7950X3D with 4 sticks of Hynix A-Die RAM and is able to post on 6000CL30 on a B650M Aorus Elite AX, but is only fully stable at 5200CL30. With 2 sticks it's fully stable at 6000CL30.
I've been running a 7900 XTX rather than a 4090. Decent bit cheaper, similar (other than raytracing) performance. Nvidia is getting greedy.
Broooooo the 7900xtx is a beast
Same, luckily don't play games that need raytracing anyway, but I need the VRAM for DCS World, so 16GB on the 4080 just wouldn't cut it.
@@sncy5303 I've been running my Hellhound 7900XTX for about 6 months now and haven't had a single issue. Wonder if there's much of a difference between different aftermarket cards?
Nvidia is the greediest company ever. More than apple. Nvidia needs to go down
Yeah I had the same problem until driver 24.5.1. It's been a long road but I'm hoping it's over.
I've been an amd guy for a long time trying to keep a second option alive but the 7000 series almost broke me.@@sncy5303
Make sure you have the latest BIOS, (They had some major Memory compatibility improvements with some AGESA versions AFAIK) You should at least be able to run 6000 on your system :D Nice Build and good luck ! Personally have a Gigabyte B650 Board with 6000MT/s running with a 7600X flawlessly with low latency mode ^^
I appreciate you giving your rationale for switching after the build montage. I've continued to watch you for years because of your integrity and how informational your videos are, they help me make decision whenever it comes time for me to make an upgrade and I will be forever grateful
I've always been an AMD fan. Every computer in my house is running AMD CPU's.
Going to the 7800X3D after being a 14900K owner who had his CPU overvolt itself and die, already underclocked and undervolted is like going from being kicked in the balls repeatedly to being stranded on Hawaii with Catherine Zeta Jones.
if you are not capable of adjusting voltages then i don't understand why you bought a 14900k anyway
I have that gpu and I love it
@@MikeZak101 that's not the point. you shouldn't have to, products shouldn't self immolate at stock settings. Period! I love tweaking CPUs but, that's not something that should be expected of owners.
@@D_Rog79the 7800x3d is a cpu not a gpu
@@MikeZak101 you shouldn't need to tinker with the damn thing to prevent it from dying in the first place
Been rocking AMD 7950x3d since launch and I have no regrets. Runs smooth, no issues, blue screen or anything. Consumes reasonable power in idle/full load.
Which ram?
@@gianlucabingsome G. Skill 2x32gb 6000Mhz cl 30 Expo based on the mb QVL. No issues with it at all running EXPO and a bit of tighter timings.
You've been pushing the weight off!!! So happy for you and so glad you pulled through!!!
I was one of the people who got burned on the i9 chip --- ironically, it was a gift when brand-new from a techy acquaintance -- and the money it cost me to replace that chip and board (with AMD) was painful. Thanks for nothing, Intel.
I was warned off the i9 as I were going to get then i9 14 series, but having heard multiple warnings, and further review, I'm going for the i7 14700 instead.
It's somewhat shocking intel dove to those levels
@@ComplexAutistjust a warning some i7s are failing too. Nowhere near as bad as the i9s but still something to think about. If it were me i would go with 12th gen or switch to AMD
i would have let intel pay for a new one, but granted, if youu need the system up or just didnt want to deal with it i get it
@@ComplexAutist i have the 14700k and its a great cpu had no issues atall
@@ComplexAutist , i would hold off i have an 13700k i turned of any boost i ran it @5300 from start i trew it on hot attic and me being stupid and not checking ram QVL ( bought 6400mhz but no xmp so 4000mhz in reality since i din't want to mess about and figure out what is stable ) ill have to retest after microcode update but i have had stability issues on default
Team RED for the win!
Been off Intel/Nvidia and using AMD since I picked AM5 and RX 7k for my new build, haven't been disappointed and haven't looked back.
AMD is definitely the right path for now if you're looking to build.
I don't know why people think white doesn't show dust. It totally does. dust isn't white. I love white cases and peripherals and components but they get dirty and dusty just like the black ones.
Right. Beige however nearly hides it all. I use a Model M keyboard and it gets dusty and I can't even see the dust on it until I brush a finger across it
You said ‘but I digress’ so much in this one.. that’s our favorite part, the adhd tangents into something you’re legitimately interested in!!
I assume that F bomb was missed in the editing room 😂
yeah lol
I completely missed that and had to go back and have a listen.
No it wasn't
saw that haha
Thank you for actually speaking your mind. I hate channels that protect WORDS @@Jayztwocents
For a split second, at 3:35, "Universe is unlicensed" image popped up? "Please launch the Maxon App and sign in to your account". What the heck was that?! :)
Probably an editing error
Apparantly a known glitch in the editing software, where it decides to without reason 'unlicense itself' for a split second.
I thought it was a joke for a second until I checked the comments ;)
Glitch with that editing software.
Weird that after a good run with 12th gen, the 13th and 14th gen suddenly decided to die on itself. I guess internal changes suddenly yeet itself to oblivion.
Better luck next time, Intel.
Yeah speaking of 12th gen am still using my 12700k and doing fine no issues what so ever. So glad I did not upgraded sorry meant downgraded to a 13 or 14th gen cpu. If intel does not get their act together I be going with AMD on my next build
they fucked up the voltages for the ring bus man. they just pushed it too far after 12th gen.
@@jthedestroytheman1404 I had a 12700KF and everything ran flawlessly with great temps. "Upgraded" to a 14700K and i can't keep that thing cool to save my life even after going to a custom loop with a 360 and 240rad. I want to lap it but holding out incase something happens to it and i need to RMA it.
Been running 12th gen now for over a year, still reliable and stable. Intel is still great on 12th gen, can probably save some money on the platform if you are not up to the newest and latest.
Had a 12600k for 2 years now. It's going strong and has been great for 1080p gaming. Only problems I had were fixed with bios updates.
I went from a 13700k because of issues I had to a 7800x3d build and ironically, the asrock z670e steel legend. Solid build. Nothing is without its issues. My first 7800x3d had to be replaced due to failure. So anything can fail. Brand loyalty in the area of computers makes zero sense. Getting what offers the best performance for the dollar spent, makes more sense.
I'm surprised he didn't go with the 7800x3d. But hey, it's his system that can do whatever he wants.
He won’t be using it anyway. It will sit in the corner.
Interruption in the studio?!
What the frick?! A missed censor?
Universe is unlicensed?!
I love this video for all the right and wrong reasons...
ive never actually heard him curse before lol (2:51)
He curses once in a while for the views. He usually chooses to censor it out. This isn't new.
I’ve never heard him curse uncensored. Is there a video where this has happened before?
He toned it down to be more youth/family friendly over the years. But go back and watch his older stuff. Nvidia specifically was a source of more f-bombs from Jay than landmines in Cambodia.
@@cometakearideonacyclone2225 watch some of his very old videos, when youtube wasnt so sensitive
@@Cirux321you right 😂
I love your vids Jay, I've been following you for a long time. I jumped from team blue to red last year, I went from 13th gen i9 to the Ryzen 7 7800x3D I've had issue with it like most people but the last 3/4 bios updates have ironed out a lot of the issues tbh. I have 64gb of DRR5 (clocked at 6400mhz- CL30) and I've used all 4 ram slots and I've had no issues for about 12 weeks now.. Well touch wood.
Been using my 7800X3d and RX 7900XTX build for over a year. No issues and low temps at no higher than 70c on both the CPU/GPU with the undervolt and overclocking in the bios with my AAA gaming. Completely happy with my gaming build. I have a feeling Jay will appreciate how far AMD has come.
I have the same setup. What undervolt/overclock did you do?
Why is Jay the one guy who goes 0/2 on 6000mhz RAM?? I have gone 6/6 on hitting that speed on builds for people.
i have an issue with running 6000... it worked for the fist few months and i dont know if it was a update but it just stopped working 7800x3d b650 tomahawk corsair 6000 but expo currently off
@@SEIGE381 huh. That’s interesting.
Are you manually boosting the frequency but leaving timing untouched then?
@@brah_ddah no i’m running default on a 6000 kit, tried several times and had to clear cmos to get system operational again
@@SEIGE381 Interesting... I just wrote a separate comment to Jay (and others people I guess), about running my RAM's "supposed speeds" at 7200MT/s and CL32, on my 7800X3D, and have been doing so for almost a year now.
No issues at all.
@@SEIGE381 might be it's exceeding the voltage threshold ryzen's memory controller is rated for. iirc it's 1.35v +- 10%, so if the kit's 1.5v you're gonna have problems. could also be your motherboard did what jay mentioned in the pinned comment on this video, where it changed the FCLK to 1733 instead of 2000 at 1:1
“no regerts” anyone remember that commercial?
Everyone remembers that from a movie.
No ragrets. Meet the millers
@@Namtucket were the millers
@@deadchannelfrom2018 I think he was talking about the Milky Way commercial. They did kinda steal that from Meet the Millers.
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I love the the love for EVGA that Jay has. I still consider my EVGA 3070 the crowning jewel of my PC.
Miss you EVGA
22:59 nice bounce on the 4090 when you hit the table xD
7:20 or you could have went with complete AMD build. 7900XTX
Amd gpu drivers suck tho, not really worth the headache
@@codcade pssst... it's not 2008 any more, bro.
@codcade, yeah, while there are some driver issues, so is there with nvidia GPUs as of lately. The difference is that AMD seems a lot more prosumer.
1. FSR are available to different GPUs including Nvidia GPUs as it is software while DLSS is bound to the graphic series you are on, forcing you to buy new GPUs
2. Having an older AMD GPU they still show you love by keep releasing optimizing driver updates, not so much on Nvidia, again forcing you to buy a new GPU.
I just switched away from Nvidia solely because the 4000 series is pure trash, and Nvidia is very anti consumer. I haven't looked back.
I have zero issues and it is performing like crazy!
the 4090's dual encoders help a lot in video workstations, you can either half the time to encode by encoding alternate frames at the same time, or encode 2 videos at once per card. if it was something not so encoder dependent, then i could see Jay throwing an RX 7900XTX in there.
You can’t use it for everything. I have a Einstar 3D scanner for example and need a NVIDIA card. Stable diffusion runs only on NVIDIA too.
So it depends on your needs if you can use a AMD card.
And AMD cards are harder to repair too.
"Why I fucking miss EVGA" Preach Brother
I feel you on Tributes... When I retired my first ever build I got rid of a lot of it because it was all big (I regret getting rid of my 4870x2) But I did save the 2x4gb sticks of OCZ DDR2 and my E8400 Core 2 Duo. I put them in a shadowbox on my wall with the XP pro X64 DVD and COA as A Tribute to where I got my start in PC Building.
Jay switching to AMD for 2 months again.
Let's be real... 2.5months
True. And nobody switches to AMD for good. It’s like the guy that sells his BMW for a Prius because fuel “Efficiency.”
3 months on the road and he’s browsing that BMW catalog again.
@@derekstiles5801 What utter nonsense.
@@derekstiles5801welp, good to know I'm nobody 😂
@@derekstiles5801all jokes aside though most of my friends have moved to AMD and I’ve been on AMD systems since original Ryzen launch.
Jay gotta keep this for at least a year. If he switches back to Intel before then, then Nick and Phil should be allowed to "cable manage" Jay's new Intel build any way they want.
Maybe switch the CPU at the end of the year for a 9950X3D !
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13900k running fine ATM, been undervolted day 1 and no stability issues so far, Gonna Cash in on my 13900k micro center warranty when the next gen comes through, then ill make my decision to swap back to AMD or not.
13900KS , no issue whatsoever and I am avoiding to update the bios to limit the performance.
If it does, it does...but so far no issues at all.
And yes, using expensive mobbo and undervolted from day 1 so doubt that it's gonna die anytime soon.
Funny thing is, apparently statistics from Puget says AMD has a higher failure rate than Intel
@@Need4FPS ive been debating updating BIOS, probably wont now LOL. If it aint broke dont fix it 🤣
I like the variety of you doing AMD and Intel builds.
In Romanian we say “do as the priest says, not as he does”. This is exactly what they mean 🤣🤣
My 5800X3D still kicking ass, i didn’t feel the need to upgrade to anything yet.
But i might get a 9950X3D for my flight sim setup later.
Give it 3 years, ands it performing like a r7 3700x too. DDR5 platforms will last longer due more bandwith.
i'm satistisfied with the cpu too, enough that i could skip am5 entirely. but... the I/O is getting outdated. pci-e gen3 sucks, and i want the new fast fancy USB ports and all that jazz. if i upgrade to AM5 someday, it'll be because of that, not the cpu
Not sure why yours can’t handle ddr5. My setup is nearly the same just different manufacturers and my ram actually very easily switched to 6000
Not that I'm questioning you, but I just made sure when I built my new machine (ASRock X670E Steel Legend mobo), I made sure to get RAM that was on their QVL and I've had zero issues running 6000MHz RAM.