@@henson2k seems to be competitive in pricing (at least the F variant) with the 5700X3D on aliexpress for about $180-220 with tax. If the non-F part could be found anywhere in my region at that price it would be a great deal, especially with the fact the non-F part has QSV. For gaming, I would go with the 5700X3D though, being nearly $40 cheaper than the 12700KF, and near half the price of the non K part (pricing in the UK is kinda cursed). The 5800X3D seems a bit too expensive at least new for now, but then so is the 12700K :/
From what I heard they will have the same amount of L3 Cache last gen had. So it will be as "impressive" release as this one. So 5% better with 15% worse price than 7800X3D?
Looks like it will be very minimal performance uplift over 7800X3D. Though it should be more efficient, which is pretty crazy since 7800X3D is already so efficient.
Everyone forgot overnight about eco mode it seems. Have yet to see any reviewer talk about zen 4 eco mode vs zen 5 to see if there's any hype or it's mostly hot air. Or if zen 5 has eco mode.
It really shows how the IPC is bad without the X3D cache, kinda like the flop of 11th gen Rocket Lake when the 11700K with 16MB of L3 cache is slower at the same clocks vs an i7-11800H (24MB of L3).
Paul did not show it but, in other channel's test the 5800X3D was winning a few games by over 40 fps over the 7000X series and even a win or two over the 9000X. It was competitive in all and in my opinion its still the value champ and a must have for AM4 owners just as much today as it was on release.
@@saricubra2867 Be that as it may, gamers rightfully look at fps only and in that regard the 500X3D are serious competitors to the newer gens comparatively.
Thank You Paul for showing not just the test using a 360 AIO like all others but using the Phantom Spirit Air cooler which most would a cheaper air cooler over a AIO.
I like the benchmarks, but you should have honestly use the 7700x also. That is the CPU that the 9700x is taking place of for the new generation. I would have liked to see all 5 CPUs on all of the test. Great job overall
As the prices are basically identical, I get the point of testing against the 7800X3D, but it's a shame you didn't have the opportunity to test them against the 7000-series counterparts.
Thanks for testing the 9600X in your day-1! Everyone else appears to have done the 8-core model, which looks like it's suffering from memory bandwidth / cache starvation (like Intel 11th-gen desktop did) The 9600X looks quite a bit better by comparison -- fewer cores competing for that 32MB of L3, maybe?
It's good performance for the TDP and the cooler running temps are great, however you ideally want to see them compared at the same power draw. You get the feeling these are holding back performance.
Happy to hear this after doing a completely new build in June with the 7800X3D and 7900 XTX. I'm completely new to AMD and this hasn't let me down yet.
Can you PLEASE do a Part II for us productivity users? Everyone always talks about gaming, but there's zero info/context on music/audio production and general production type work.
The 9600x is at worst 80% of the performance of the 7800x3d, at HALF the TDP and almost half the price, while pulling the same power at load, which is REALLY surprising. I dont know why everyone is so shocked, because that is how these things go. First you get the new stuff, then the efficient new stuff, and THEN you get the heavy hitters. It's a solid chip for what it is, and I imagine SFF builds will love this considering the heat is far less.
Better than last gen? What are you smoking? Ryzen 7800x3d was 350€ in Lithuania before the 9000 series launched. And that increased prices. Now it’s 500€. 9800x3d going to cost 650€ what a disgrace. Better to choose Intel then.
Nice work Paul. Stickin' with a 7800x3d unless the thermals and gaming performance warrant a move to a 9 series x3d. Jumped to team Red AM5 after my bullet proof Intel 9700K retired in the spring and i think I'll stay AMD CPUs for the forseeable future. No desire to mess with tweaking/cooling Intel's newest. Keep up the great reviews Paul. Congrats on the 1.48M subs! Nice!
Thanks for testing MSFS2020 , I still use the 5800x3d and watching the 7800x3d edging just a little more, I think I can wait for actual results of 9800x3d before upgrading...
Like the review. I'm running 5800X3D still.. was holding on till 9000 launch before any upgrading... looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer to see the 9800X3D results.
Thank you for adding the 5900x to these productivity benchmarks. I'll soon be considering an upgrade from it, but with the rise of GPU rendering these days, I'm not sure a 9900x or 9950x will be necessary. I may wait for the X3D variants.
A cool followup could be a retest where you use eco-mode on 7700x or the same 88W power draw to see if 9700X actually can delivery any substantial performance improvements.
Very intriguing. I'll wait until after all of the new hardware ; needed adjustments are made so you can experience your new parts to the maximum benefit.
You're the bomb for testing Microsoft Flight Sim I'd be interested to know if the air cooler made a difference on the 7800 X 3D simply because the Stacked cash makes it harder to dissipate Heat.
Power efficiency is great, but by itself it won't make up for the MSRP of these new chips over their Zen4 counterparts' current prices. It would be interesting to see them compared to Zen4 non-X chips.
I'm liking the efficiency story, and that on top of a slight boost clock bump. Mid-range parts with 65W TDP and good air cooling is ample! That does suggest they might overclock quite a way, mind you.
Glad you're going to peculate with the new CPUs as it does appear they aren't quite ready for prime time and there are questions about best RAM combinations. I do hope you'll also compare the new CPUs with the non-X 7000 series as they share the TDP of 65W. But it does seem like the 9000 series gains just don't translate well into gaming performance.
When revisiting, can we maybe also get some tests with PBO enabled? Seeing how much more efficient they are, I'd love to see what they can do when unlocked vs (also w PBO)last gen.
It did not do so well in other channels test but the 5800X3D won a few and was competitive in all. In Gamers Nexus, Hardware Canucks, and Ancient Gameplays, channels the 5800X3D won over the 7000X up to 40 fps+ and was blow for blow with the 9000X winning more than a few. A 5000X3D part would be a really cheap four or five years more on AM4 for top level gaming for you.
Your review and Wendell's review were interesting compared to hardware unboxed. They just kind of said, "zen 5 suck". But I appreciate the benchmarks that you guys had, just to round out the data out there.
Interesting 🤔🤔🤔..... Was planning to get 7600x + 4070... But now I can get better 9700X + 4070, and still have same Noctua chromax NH-L9x65 CPU cooler in a Asus Mini Tower Prime AP201 Mesh PC case. ❤
@@AndrewTSq nahhh.. 7800X 3D is still too expensive in Croatia, and for my needs it's money waiste + I would need new CPU cooler... It also depends on price.
The additional L3 Cache makes the difference. Its not about pure L3 Cache MB, its about the number of Caches. Usually one L3 Cache exist/ is used. With the additional 3D Cache, the number of Cache access doubles. Now a L3 Cache + 3D Cache is accessed. Its like a L3 Cache Dual Channel. Doubles bandwith and number of accesses. Because i was wondering... why is the performance increasing only at lower resolution - which uses less bandwith but is arround same at higher resolution. Because at lower resolution, the number of L3 Cache accesses increase while at high resolution the L3 Cache bandwith usage increase and capacity in mb.
The real answer for this question of what to do if building a new system should be wait for reviews on the 9800X3D & decide then, unless you currently have no PC.
Because Paul has to make AMD look good. This is one of the weakest and worst launches in AMD history and if Paul tells the truth then he won't get anymore free handout samples.
Hey Paul, I know you probably get loads of people asking for rhe opposite but please drop the 4k testing for (new) cpus, it is just minutes of watching fps barely diverge and you rarely learn anything. Great as a historical thing (i.e. how far back can you go while keeping the 4090 as ths bottleneck) but for new reviews it doesn't add much to my mind.
Well I looked at my PC and gave the installed 7500F a thumbs up. Thanked it for not being Intel raptor lake and still punching above its weight. I'll wait for zen5x3d to go on sale in a couple of years.
The flight simluator test is really appreciated because back when the 5800x3d came out Every techtuber trashed on it and it was the second coming of Jesus for DCS / Flight Simulator + Un optimized game like Postscriptum Squad 44 / Squad The difference btw 90 and 72hz is the goat in VR. You can run 72hz / 80hz native It's so good that the only thing I want now is x3D processor, I am still waiting on my 5999x3D as the last AM4 King. 16 coresx3D all of them with 128mb of l3 cache
When the patches for intel chips finally comes out, could you please make a video that lets people know, but also shows us how to install it for a few of the big motherboard brands? I have Z790 Aorus Elite AX LGA1700
I was hoping the 9700x would be a bit better. I was looking at upgrading my 5600 (non-x) system. The reviews sort of sealed the deal on the 7800x3d as it's only $200 at Microcenter right now as a system upgrade bundle cpu.
I’m waiting for the high end CPUs next week, but with the lower power draw for the same-ish performance, seems like air cooling is truly back on the menu. It does beg the question, how much overclocking headroom do we get with this generation. Anyway, let’s see how the high end CPUs do next week.
why the clock speed of 9600x and 9700x not shown, you can go full send on PBO -30 to get 7800x3d 5050mhz. i did this on more than 50 pcs i built and sold
Yes, maybe, but seriously - is it really AMDs best achievement they "aren't as bad"? Because comparing to their own chips this is "thank you, next" situation.
@@sclyon With big you mean how big exactly? Like 10%? You can't save much power using pretty much the same process node. "4nm" is actually a modified 5nm. Can't cheat physics. It's not like last gen was designed by kids and this one by pros. They both have roughly the same efficiency with a slight improvement due to longer finetuned design and production. There was no room to take a huge step in the first place. Very close to "wasted silicon" award this year. Curious about Intel doing the same in a few months.
@@vensroofcat6415 The 9700x cuts power draw nearly in half vs the 7700x while being slightly faster. That would be like if intel came out with a 15900k tomorrow that was the same speed as the 14900k and only used 180w
If you are aiming for 4k or even QHD, save your budget, grab the 9600x and invest on the gpu and monitor. If you are aiming for FHD competitive gaiming, than the 7800x3D. If you have no budget limitations, wait for the 9800x3D
It's nice to see some progress in efficiency, but performance otherwise is very disappointing for the price. I've been hoping to upgrade but I'm no longer excited for the 9900x/9950x.
Looks like I'll be on AM4 for a good while considering costs. I know the new 9000 series is more efficient than the 7800X3D but it is difficult to justify an entirely new build when I can just try to snag something to drop replace my 5600X eventually.
Notice quite a few channels don't show the 5000X3D. Amazingly, they are fiercely competitive with 9000X in games winning more than a few. Its a skip gen if you on are on a 5000X3D part and gaming is the focus.
I wish they'd just launch with the additional cache. I mean the good average (Maybe not majority) are going to be aimed at multitask / gaming. Especially with L1tech review of Epyc in AM5 boards. If someone wants just a cheap reliable workstation that seems like a good bifurcation of the market (Ryzen / Epyc) instead of different SKU's of the same CPU series just to provide more CPU cache.
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What's best for gaming?
Short answer: 7800x3d
Long answer: AMD RYZEN 7 7800X3D
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Even the 5800x3d is better than these if you are still on AM4. Felt a bit lackluster this release.
how much better than i7-12700K for $200?
@@henson2k seems to be competitive in pricing (at least the F variant) with the 5700X3D on aliexpress for about $180-220 with tax. If the non-F part could be found anywhere in my region at that price it would be a great deal, especially with the fact the non-F part has QSV. For gaming, I would go with the 5700X3D though, being nearly $40 cheaper than the 12700KF, and near half the price of the non K part (pricing in the UK is kinda cursed). The 5800X3D seems a bit too expensive at least new for now, but then so is the 12700K :/
@@AndrewTSq I have the 5800x3d on AM4 platform, RTX 4080 graphics card at 1440p, and I am very cool with it!
@@WebbTech1that cpu was worth every cent. Should be considered a classic like the 2500k :)
I know it has been said before many times, but it's great you are back in your garage studio. Doesn't feel like a Paul's Hardware video otherwise .
Graphs relay data best. ...also; having a 7700x would have been prudent.
Paul, please do better; we know you can =|
He's now within staggering distance from home!
Hey Paul, thanks for testing Flight Simulator.
Will be excited to see the 9000 series 3D models, that extra L3 cache makes such a difference in gaming performance
From what I heard they will have the same amount of L3 Cache last gen had. So it will be as "impressive" release as this one.
So 5% better with 15% worse price than 7800X3D?
Looks like theyll be a joke. The "excitement" is fucking gonzo dude.
at 4k too or only 1080p ?
Looks like it will be very minimal performance uplift over 7800X3D. Though it should be more efficient, which is pretty crazy since 7800X3D is already so efficient.
Pretty sure zen 5 x3d has full oc capability now along with higher clocks, so expecting 15% taking the zen 5 improvement into account
Thanks for covering the air-cooling temps. These new chips being 65 TDP chips make them very interesting to me.
Everyone forgot overnight about eco mode it seems. Have yet to see any reviewer talk about zen 4 eco mode vs zen 5 to see if there's any hype or it's mostly hot air. Or if zen 5 has eco mode.
a few other videos found if both are locked to 65w there isnt much of an ipc improvement over the 2 "generations"
Thank you for doing an air cooler temp test. Not many reviews do this so is appreciated.
Hey Paul, thanks for testing flight simulator!
Thanks for testing with MSFS2020, congrats on the A rating for landing too!
After the introduction of the X3D chips, and having a 5800X3D, i really don’t care about cpus unless they’re the new X3D chips.
It really shows how the IPC is bad without the X3D cache, kinda like the flop of 11th gen Rocket Lake when the 11700K with 16MB of L3 cache is slower at the same clocks vs an i7-11800H (24MB of L3).
Paul did not show it but, in other channel's test the 5800X3D was winning a few games by over 40 fps over the 7000X series and even a win or two over the 9000X. It was competitive in all and in my opinion its still the value champ and a must have for AM4 owners just as much today as it was on release.
@@bodasactra The 5800X3D is slower than Zen 4, the DDR5 and IPC upgrade of Zen 4 at the time was a big deal.
@@saricubra2867 Be that as it may, gamers rightfully look at fps only and in that regard the 500X3D are serious competitors to the newer gens comparatively.
@@bodasactra 12700K delivers more fps and is way, WAY better for streaming and productivity.
We'd like to see the 5800X3D in these reviews. There are a lot of us who skipped Ryzen 7000 and need a reason to go 9000.
Definitely just wait for 11000, if 10000 is apus
Thank You Paul for showing not just the test using a 360 AIO like all others but using the Phantom Spirit Air cooler which most would a cheaper air cooler over a AIO.
"with theoretical future testing, I might be doing next week" As always the best humor in the tech review world.
I like the benchmarks, but you should have honestly use the 7700x also. That is the CPU that the 9700x is taking place of for the new generation. I would have liked to see all 5 CPUs on all of the test. Great job overall
As the prices are basically identical, I get the point of testing against the 7800X3D, but it's a shame you didn't have the opportunity to test them against the 7000-series counterparts.
Gamers nexus did
Nonetheless, most excellent bemching.
@@Aggies44go watch over there?? Lol
I don't think it was a hateful comment I think he was simply saying that those reviews do exist if OP is interested in the numbers@@Elricky124
I love my 5800x3d. The only thing that would make me consider upgrading any time in the future is what a Zen5 X3D performs at.
I was a beast in other channels that included it, matching and often beating both new gens. Absolutely no need to upgrade.
Very useful testing comparisons... Thanks!
👍 So far this morning I've watched around a dozen reviews of the new AMD processors. This one is definitely the *best* of the bunch! 😁
Thanks Paul, really like these side by side gaming benchmarks
In the immortal words of GladOS, “The testing will continue.”
Thank you so much for not milking it and seperating the reviews!
My go to benchmark guy since he throws in MSFS.
Thanks for testing the 9600X in your day-1! Everyone else appears to have done the 8-core model, which looks like it's suffering from memory bandwidth / cache starvation (like Intel 11th-gen desktop did)
The 9600X looks quite a bit better by comparison -- fewer cores competing for that 32MB of L3, maybe?
Intel 11th gen desktop suffered because of 14nm, Tiger Lake (11th gen mobile) i7-11800H has higher IPC (24MB of L3 cache).
Hey Paul, thanks for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator.
That "rotary dial" phrase in the initial promo brought me back to my youth
It's good performance for the TDP and the cooler running temps are great, however you ideally want to see them compared at the same power draw.
You get the feeling these are holding back performance.
Most likely these chips are held back a lot, Der8auer said this too in his video. These chips feel like they have eco mode enabled by default.
"Oooh, lets compare a X3D with a non-3D"
"why?"
"Because the Zen 5 X3D hasnt shipped yet"
"cool."
Hi Paul have followed seen you. since the Newegg days. You make interesting and educational videos, keep it up 😍
Happy to hear this after doing a completely new build in June with the 7800X3D and 7900 XTX. I'm completely new to AMD and this hasn't let me down yet.
I upgraded from coffee lake to a 7800x3d. Can’t wait to spend $2000 on a 5090 lol thanks NVIDIA
Awesome and most relevant overview of these cpu's. TY and can't wait for th X 3D series.
Ha, nice that this testing also tested your landing skills with some good completion score :D Thanks for testing MSFS!
Can you PLEASE do a Part II for us productivity users? Everyone always talks about gaming, but there's zero info/context on music/audio production and general production type work.
It`s Paul what do you expect, GN has a very good review.
Nice job Paul covering these CPUs they're definitely improvement. I don't know what everybody's bashing them about
The 9600x is at worst 80% of the performance of the 7800x3d, at HALF the TDP and almost half the price, while pulling the same power at load, which is REALLY surprising. I dont know why everyone is so shocked, because that is how these things go. First you get the new stuff, then the efficient new stuff, and THEN you get the heavy hitters. It's a solid chip for what it is, and I imagine SFF builds will love this considering the heat is far less.
Exactly the video I was looking for. Subscribed. And thank you for testing in Microsoft Flight Simulator. Much appreciated.
Better than last gen? What are you smoking? Ryzen 7800x3d was 350€ in Lithuania before the 9000 series launched. And that increased prices. Now it’s 500€. 9800x3d going to cost 650€ what a disgrace. Better to choose Intel then.
Nice work Paul. Stickin' with a 7800x3d unless the thermals and gaming performance warrant a move to a 9 series x3d. Jumped to team Red AM5 after my bullet proof Intel 9700K retired in the spring and i think I'll stay AMD CPUs for the forseeable future. No desire to mess with tweaking/cooling Intel's newest. Keep up the great reviews Paul. Congrats on the 1.48M subs! Nice!
Thanks for testing MSFS Paul!
Short answer test 1440p 4k doesn't really count cause almost all cpus will be within 3-5fps of eachother at this point
FINALLY someone using 4K, notice how close the 9700x is to the 7800x3D in 4K
yeah id like to see how 1440p benchmarks look like.
Thank you so much !
I was an inch away from buying a 7800X3D but now I'll wait for the 9700X3D
Thanks for testing MSFS2020 , I still use the 5800x3d and watching the 7800x3d edging just a little more, I think I can wait for actual results of 9800x3d before upgrading...
Averages are nice but future 9800x3d game scores will also need 1% lows. Average is not the whole picture...
Like the review. I'm running 5800X3D still.. was holding on till 9000 launch before any upgrading... looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer to see the 9800X3D results.
Thank you for adding the 5900x to these productivity benchmarks. I'll soon be considering an upgrade from it, but with the rise of GPU rendering these days, I'm not sure a 9900x or 9950x will be necessary. I may wait for the X3D variants.
A cool followup could be a retest where you use eco-mode on 7700x or the same 88W power draw to see if 9700X actually can delivery any substantial performance improvements.
Very intriguing. I'll wait until after all of the new hardware ; needed adjustments are made so you can experience your new parts to the maximum benefit.
Hey Paul, thanks for testing the flight simulator 😊! You are awesome 💯😎.
You're the bomb for testing Microsoft Flight Sim I'd be interested to know if the air cooler made a difference on the 7800 X 3D simply because the Stacked cash makes it harder to dissipate Heat.
Hey Paul good video but I am wondering why you didn't compare/retest the 7700x against the 9700x
Power efficiency is great, but by itself it won't make up for the MSRP of these new chips over their Zen4 counterparts' current prices. It would be interesting to see them compared to Zen4 non-X chips.
I would of really loved to see some 1440p benchmarks. Otherwise, great vid, thanks!
Why?
I'm liking the efficiency story, and that on top of a slight boost clock bump. Mid-range parts with 65W TDP and good air cooling is ample! That does suggest they might overclock quite a way, mind you.
Glad you're going to peculate with the new CPUs as it does appear they aren't quite ready for prime time and there are questions about best RAM combinations. I do hope you'll also compare the new CPUs with the non-X 7000 series as they share the TDP of 65W. But it does seem like the 9000 series gains just don't translate well into gaming performance.
When revisiting, can we maybe also get some tests with PBO enabled? Seeing how much more efficient they are, I'd love to see what they can do when unlocked vs (also w PBO)last gen.
Hey Paul, can you also include the 5800x3d and maybe the 5700x3d for those of us still on AM4 when you begin your Intel testing Comparisons?
Straight to jail for no gaming comparisons to the 7700X.
Heh. l want to compare to my old 5700X.
9700x is 3% faster in games.
Seems like some of HW reviewers are sugarcoating the new R series.
It did not do so well in other channels test but the 5800X3D won a few and was competitive in all. In Gamers Nexus, Hardware Canucks, and Ancient Gameplays, channels the 5800X3D won over the 7000X up to 40 fps+ and was blow for blow with the 9000X winning more than a few. A 5000X3D part would be a really cheap four or five years more on AM4 for top level gaming for you.
Can't wait for the overclocked comparison.
Your review and Wendell's review were interesting compared to hardware unboxed. They just kind of said, "zen 5 suck". But I appreciate the benchmarks that you guys had, just to round out the data out there.
Hey Paul!...Thanks for testing Flight Simulator!😎.......Unfortunate not much channels test this as I'm a simmer!
Interesting 🤔🤔🤔..... Was planning to get 7600x + 4070... But now I can get better 9700X + 4070, and still have same Noctua chromax NH-L9x65 CPU cooler in a Asus Mini Tower Prime AP201 Mesh PC case. ❤
you mean 7800x3d?
@@AndrewTSq nahhh.. 7800X 3D is still too expensive in Croatia, and for my needs it's money waiste + I would need new CPU cooler... It also depends on price.
@@antoniocepaj7544 ah okey the 7800x3d is $10 cheaper than the 9700x here.
The additional L3 Cache makes the difference. Its not about pure L3 Cache MB, its about the number of Caches.
Usually one L3 Cache exist/ is used. With the additional 3D Cache, the number of Cache access doubles. Now a L3 Cache + 3D Cache is accessed.
Its like a L3 Cache Dual Channel. Doubles bandwith and number of accesses.
Because i was wondering... why is the performance increasing only at lower resolution - which uses less bandwith but is arround same at higher resolution.
Because at lower resolution, the number of L3 Cache accesses increase while at high resolution the L3 Cache bandwith usage increase and capacity in mb.
If AMD makes TWO 3D Caches + L3 Cache... thats Triple Channel Cache... Extreme. I would buy that CPU. 32mb + 32mb + 32mb as example.
The real answer for this question of what to do if building a new system should be wait for reviews on the 9800X3D & decide then, unless you currently have no PC.
I was about to purchase a 5700x3d my current CPU is 5600x. Should i purchause 9600x better moving to AM5??? it worth the investment?
what's the power draw for 9700x and 9600x while gaming?
I'm fascinated by the switching between "Celsius" and "C". Kept me on my toes, never knowing which one is coming next! 😅
thx paul for another good review !
Hey Paul, thanks for testing MSFS.
Thanks for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 :)
why no gaming comparisons against previous gen 7600x and 7700x
From all the reviews I've seen today its almost a waste of time. + or - 2% at best of Zen4.
Because Paul has to make AMD look good. This is one of the weakest and worst launches in AMD history and if Paul tells the truth then he won't get anymore free handout samples.
@@the12gaugeshotty that is an unfair read. He has been critical of both companies in the past.
@@the12gaugeshotty 👍
Yeah faulty test.
I'm loving my 7800X3D. I'd consider a 9800X3D depending on the price and what I could get from selling the 7800X3D if the gains were at least 20-25%.
I’d love to see benchmarks for VR mode in flight sim. It pushes my current system to breaking point maintaining 72fps when driving a Quest 3 headset.
just picked up a new 7800X3D for 260, i feel like i made a good purchase. going to use this one for a while.
Hey Paul, I know you probably get loads of people asking for rhe opposite but please drop the 4k testing for (new) cpus, it is just minutes of watching fps barely diverge and you rarely learn anything. Great as a historical thing (i.e. how far back can you go while keeping the 4090 as ths bottleneck) but for new reviews it doesn't add much to my mind.
Hey Paul, thanks for testing flight simulator 🎉❤
Well I looked at my PC and gave the installed 7500F a thumbs up. Thanked it for not being Intel raptor lake and still punching above its weight. I'll wait for zen5x3d to go on sale in a couple of years.
I am so glad I have a 7800X3D, and I cannot wait to get the 9800X3D!
The flight simluator test is really appreciated because back when the 5800x3d came out
Every techtuber trashed on it and it was the second coming of Jesus for DCS / Flight Simulator + Un optimized game like Postscriptum Squad 44 / Squad
The difference btw 90 and 72hz is the goat in VR. You can run 72hz / 80hz native
It's so good that the only thing I want now is x3D processor, I am still waiting on my 5999x3D as the last AM4 King.
16 coresx3D all of them with 128mb of l3 cache
When the patches for intel chips finally comes out, could you please make a video that lets people know, but also shows us how to install it for a few of the big motherboard brands? I have Z790 Aorus Elite AX LGA1700
My 5600X still going strong, no need for upgrade anytime soon ty.
Thanks Paul for the AMD CPU information....P.S. Nice Landing on MSFS. LOL
Wow identical game performances as a 3950x there’s still life in my am4 platform yet , waiting for th. 93d for sure
I think I used to see this media creator somewhere else before? Was it from CNet or Linus Tech Tips?
I was hoping the 9700x would be a bit better. I was looking at upgrading my 5600 (non-x) system. The reviews sort of sealed the deal on the 7800x3d as it's only $200 at Microcenter right now as a system upgrade bundle cpu.
So for 4k gamers the 9700x is better because it's cheaper and has lower power output? And 1080p gamers should go for 7800x3d
My 7600x conti yes to get the job done. I probably need to upgrade my monitors first before my CPU.
I’m waiting for the high end CPUs next week, but with the lower power draw for the same-ish performance, seems like air cooling is truly back on the menu. It does beg the question, how much overclocking headroom do we get with this generation. Anyway, let’s see how the high end CPUs do next week.
why the clock speed of 9600x and 9700x not shown, you can go full send on PBO -30 to get 7800x3d 5050mhz. i did this on more than 50 pcs i built and sold
Seems like the gains are in lower TDP.
I'll wait to see what the X3D parts are like before I upgrade from my 5800 X3D
While these two new CPUs aren't groundbreaking, at least AMD can launch new parts on time that don't overheat.
Yes, maybe, but seriously - is it really AMDs best achievement they "aren't as bad"? Because comparing to their own chips this is "thank you, next" situation.
I think the Energy Efficiency is the big selling point here.
@@sclyon With big you mean how big exactly? Like 10%?
You can't save much power using pretty much the same process node. "4nm" is actually a modified 5nm. Can't cheat physics. It's not like last gen was designed by kids and this one by pros. They both have roughly the same efficiency with a slight improvement due to longer finetuned design and production. There was no room to take a huge step in the first place. Very close to "wasted silicon" award this year. Curious about Intel doing the same in a few months.
@@vensroofcat6415 No, they are significantly more efficient than Zen 4. 90W with the 9700x while the 7700x pulls around 140W for the same performance.
@@vensroofcat6415 The 9700x cuts power draw nearly in half vs the 7700x while being slightly faster. That would be like if intel came out with a 15900k tomorrow that was the same speed as the 14900k and only used 180w
If you are aiming for 4k or even QHD, save your budget, grab the 9600x and invest on the gpu and monitor.
If you are aiming for FHD competitive gaiming, than the 7800x3D.
If you have no budget limitations, wait for the 9800x3D
It's nice to see some progress in efficiency, but performance otherwise is very disappointing for the price.
I've been hoping to upgrade but I'm no longer excited for the 9900x/9950x.
Looks like I'll be on AM4 for a good while considering costs. I know the new 9000 series is more efficient than the 7800X3D but it is difficult to justify an entirely new build when I can just try to snag something to drop replace my 5600X eventually.
GN had a book of info that was confusing, lvlone highlighted new voodoo the new chip does, but Paul brought it home with 7800x3d is king
Hey Paul, thanks for testing flight simulator
Thanks for showing 4k benchmarks, 1080p is irrelevant test for ppl who got high resolution monitor.
Made cpu buying decision easy.
Notice quite a few channels don't show the 5000X3D. Amazingly, they are fiercely competitive with 9000X in games winning more than a few. Its a skip gen if you on are on a 5000X3D part and gaming is the focus.
Should you still consider a 7800X3D for a 3080TI?
hey paul. Thank you of testing flight simulator. one of the most cpu-demanding games.
Somethings wrong with your testing methods, I have 18619 in Cinebench R23 on 7800x3D, no tweaks.
Can you over clock the newer CPU? It would be nice if they were able to handle more power.
I wish they'd just launch with the additional cache. I mean the good average (Maybe not majority) are going to be aimed at multitask / gaming. Especially with L1tech review of Epyc in AM5 boards. If someone wants just a cheap reliable workstation that seems like a good bifurcation of the market (Ryzen / Epyc) instead of different SKU's of the same CPU series just to provide more CPU cache.