Amtrak locomotive comparison: Genesis P42DC vs. Charger SC-44
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Just a random video I made because I was bored, since I have now caught both the P42s and the Chargers leading trains on the Carl Sandburg route out of Quincy, IL I thought I would make a video comparing the visual and operational differences between the two locomotive types using videos I've shot over the course of this year. - Enjoy!
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I will miss the delicious sounds of a p42 especially when rolling away.... but those chargers take off like a rocket
Give it time
I will miss the distinctive Whoop of the compressor of the p42
The GE engines vs a Cummins. Personally truck wise, I have no objection to Cummins, but on these engines, they have no personality. I don’t think you can straight pipe it, because aren’t they all straight piped? Also, the Charger’s horn isn’t nearly as throaty as the P42’s, or any other locomotive for that matter.
@@reggiemasanque7305 brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbWOOOOP!brbrbrbrbrb
@@jaysmith1408 There are some emission standards in the exhaust system so it can be sold. Without these, its only a matter of time until the owners face charges.
I swear the P42 idle sound is soooo soothing...
It's not actually idling though; it's proving head-end power for the rest of the train.
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The P42 at the beginning of the video is actually running at Notch 5 because it is supplying HEP for the cars. The F40's it replaced had to run at Notch 8 which is why they were called "Screamers" and devoured fuel.
I love hearing that sound when approaching a train..
Nothing will beat the horns the Genesis engines were delivered with back in the 90s.
Agreed, 90s K5LA's are the best by far...
Pretty.video
In egyptian railways we have this horn in two models
Es40 aci built by ge in 2008 and es30 aci built by ge in 2019
The f40ph beat it
Try the Metroliner cab cars friend
Honestly, I like both a lot. I like the Charger because of the acceleration and the horn. The fact that it is cleaner and quieter, and accelerated faster is a plus, since it is a diesel electric train. The third gen K5LA is what I also like about them. The P-42s have a unique idling sound, which I like a lot, and the sound when it accelerates is another. Also, P-42s can have different types of horns mounted on top, in which the horn I like the most is the Hybrid K5LA, shown in the video. I like both a lot, but if anything, I’d go with the P-42, even though they may be retired soon. I think of them as a classic Amtrak engine since I see them most of the time, outside the northeast region on passenger routes.
also the whoop from the HVAC system.
Could the p42's engine be replaced by an es"gevo" engine?
I just commented, really the P-42's have 3 decades on them, so its really no justice in comparing in my opinion. The ACS64 has the same qualities when compared against the AEM7 and the AEM7 ran for 4 decades. Remember the HHP8's was supposed to replace the AEM7s and E60s and failed miserably. Lets give the Sprinters 10 years.
Engineers: Design quiet locomotives.
America: Requires trains to blow out everybody's ears within hearing range by honking at every level crossing.
lts electric hence the charger.
@@mongol33t diesel electric*
@@mongol33t *Diesel Electric, which just means it converts the diesel into electricity to power the traction motors.
@unci narynin, The horns are warning devices, so they need to be loud the get people's attention.
I know it's just a joke, but the US has a lot more level crossings than most of Europe and the UK and different safety standards.
I showed the charger to all my friends and family and they all asked this one question "Why does it look like a bus?"🤣
P42 at idle sounds like a beast!!! Love it!
there is nothing like the sound of a growling ,rumbling diesel ,electric engine but the genesis diesel also has a slight jet turbine sound
The p32ac-dm in new York got a nice roar to it.
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It's almost comical how the P42DC, a loudly chugging behemoth of a locomotive, struggles to accelerate with 4 passenger cars whereas the Charger seems to do it effortlessly and with minimal noise.
FrostyAUT That’s technological advancement for you.
They were programmed to be slow-loading for passenger comfort
P42 yes everyone like but ppl gotta understand the charger is just as good there both great the reason the charger sounds so quiet is because of the emission system it's a tier 4 Cummins motor so it has everything that the big trucks has
They went full European with the SC-44 its soooooo quiet. I like the SC-44's Square Tag K5LAs a lot but I love the P42's idle, chug, and micro compressor sounds more since I grew up with them lol.
Nothing beats the noise of the 7FDL-16 prime mover!!! When you're standing next to a P42DC accelerating you can feel the vibrations pounding on your chest.
Love the P42, but I like the horn from the SC-44 charger better because they sound so good. I'm still sticking with the P42. Is that a type 1 E Bell on the crossing?
I agree the 3rd gen. K5LA's on the Chargers have a unique sound to them, although they don't personally beat the sound of a 1st gen. K5, and yes the crossing has several GS type 1 E-bells.
The charger looks more like a corridor engine and the genesis engines look like they can do both long distance and corridor
Well LD Chargers have started service
My opinions
Acceleration: SC-44
Horn: P42DC
Idle sound: P42DC
Appearance: tie
Bell: Tie
P42 for the win!
Wonderful.video
I love this video. Defiantly gotta love the P42's way better.
Thanks, Glad you liked it!
I disagree, I don't care for them and am glad they're being retired, they have outlived their usefulness and we need new locomotives
The P42DC just looks stronger
Jack Diez Yeah, I always preferred the smile look of the P42DC’s rather than the SC-44’s
Snick,
Well that may be the case, but looks ain’t everything. The Charger has around 4,400 horsepower, whereas the P42DC has 4,250 horsepower.
The Charger doesn’t look as brutish, but thats just because of not much of the sharp, hard corners compared to the Genesis.
I want the F40PH’s to be back in service.
charger: you fool
Yeah but the Charger is cleaner, I mean look at the exhaust coming from the P42DC, none is seen coming from the Charger.
I like both from a passenger point of view but I much prefer the powerful sounds of the P42DC and if I had lots of money. I would buy 5 Class 60's and repower them with the same parts from the P42DC for push-pull passenger trains in Northern Ireland that I would use on special trains :).
Great video buddy and all the best.
Thank you! Glad you liked it and thanks for the sub :)
@@CMOTrains783 No bother buddy. To be honest, I do appreciate American trains for their power and sounds.
@@BritishRail60062 Yeah I agree, nothing beats the sounds and mightiness of American trains. I have lots of other videos of them so feel free to check them out if you would like to.
That sc-44 accelerate fast when departing, I like the sc-44
Genesis is the most beautiful passenger locomotive in North America. The Charger looks like a toy compared to the beautiful beast of a locomotive that the Genesis is. But if I was an engineer I would probably prefer driving the Charger, because it's newer, more comfortable, responds quicker. But the Genesis wins the look contest. A Charger in a Genesis body would be awesome, it would be the perfect locomotive.
Yeah definitely they could've kept the genesis body that charger is ugly as sin anyone agree.
I disagree I'll take back the classic EMD E/F-units
The Charger looks far more finished designwise than the Genesis. The GE’s nose looks like something that was built in a garage with the biggest pieces of glass you can get from Home Depot. I don’t deny that gives them a folksy charm, but it is time to move on.
The SC-44 units are sleeker, more powerful, and faster. The lighted open sides are destined to be remembered by every young train nerd long after they’re gone from service. The new livery finally brings back some color, though the P42 didn’t look bad in silver and blue.
But the clincher was shown between the departing trains. The P42 was kicking up a plume of soot that off-shore German u-boats could spot. Did they accidentally fill up with bunker C that day?
Honestly I just love them both. The way unfortunately Amtrak is a dying breed of transport compared to cars and airplanes. Both are great. Trains are great. They both have awesome horns and awesome idle sounds
neat 👍
Thanks!
I'm gonna miss those genesis darn you progress.
Im sure some will be preserved but I'm not gonna miss them, I like the chargers a lot more
I Have A Friend Who Have A Serious Crush On The Amtrak Charger Trains So Much
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful.
I remember when the p40s were introduced into the fold. I hated them only because I loved (and still do) the F40s. But after they were retired from service, I took a liking to the Gennies, mostly because of the roar and presence they have. Though the Chargers are good for the environment, I still choose the Gennies and F40s any day of the week. The Chargers have no roar or presence like the diesel of old did.
You are right. The F40s are one of my favorite. I don't care for the appearance of the Genesis. The newest look in a locomotive I appreciate is the P42 style.
I like the bright line versions of the charger and I think Amtrak should have that version rather than this one
Well, you have to take into account the SCB40 was designed specifically for high speed lines. Which outside of Brightline, a small stretch of the Michigan corridor and the NEC, are nonexistent.
I agree, the Brightline loco and matching car set should become the next Amtrak standard for non electric corridors, ie, NYS Empire Service, Midwest, California.
I’m old school, and nothing beats the EMD E’s and F’s and ALCO PA’s and FA’s as far as looks and appearance.
I’ve been to the UK and Europe, and the most stylish trains are Thayles, TGV, Eurostar, ICE 2 and 3. The front end of the Amtrak Charger to me doesn’t exhibit creative industrial design. Where are our new design engineers like Dreyfus and Lowey?
Maybe someday, our intercity passenger trains will take on an exciting look of speed and comfort, and with larger windows to have a wonderful view of the great USA.
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful.
@@IPAWS2018 i do think the nose cone design on the front of Brightline trains should probably be adapted to the Amtrak ones because right now the Amtrak sc44 doesn't look all that protected from a crash w
The charger looks to have an add-on from the F40PH - Strobe Lights, P42 - Side Door.
In my opinion, looks wise the P42 has the edge a little bit...especially in the older or Heritage paint schemes. The long looking side profile with the huge grills on the Charger is kind of what screws up the look for me. But I don't think the Charger is an ugly unit by any means!
From the comparison as shown in this video, the Charger is MUCH quieter, looks to accelerate more rapidly, and there was no visible black smoke coming billowing from the unit like on the P42. It would be interesting to hear from the people who operate and maintain the locomotives to see which one they prefer.
Those Amfleet coaches are what blow my mind, those things are creeping up towards 45 years old, I still think they look good and they still look fairly modern despite their age!
Awesome video, I live in the Northeast so I haven't gotten to experience any Chargers yet, sounds like in a few years we will get some out this way! Thanks for posting!
Thank you, Glad you liked it!
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful
I like the P42 and SC-44 just as much as each other
Same here
me too
The SC-44 is an American sister of the German BR247 Vectron. Look it up. It looks very different. I like the Vectron better, but I am a German.
Smaller and quieter. It's beautiful.
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful.
Level crossing: Has barriers, lights and bells
Americans: I'ma still drivin' over that thing ... that damn train will not hit me anyways
Agreed!....The P42DC Does Look Stronger,...The Charger Looks Fast Sitting Still,..From What I Read It Is Capable Of Some Impressive Speed, A Little Faster Then The Old Favorite The P42DC.
The Charger's paint makes it look ugly IMO, that's probably why I always think they look hideous. They would actually look fine in regular Phase 5 paint. With that said, I still prefer the Genesis. Their horns (original, not fouled), prime mover noise, and design juat appeal much more than the quiet and futuristic Chargers. The Chargers sure take off fast, though
Physeter macrocephalus
Wrong on all fronts.
Now listen to the horn
It sounds much better
no paint looks modern with a gradient like feel.
The Chargers paint isn’t for Amtrak, it’s for IDTX Midwestern trains. Just like how the Cascades, Surfliner, and Capital Corridor has their own scheme. Amtrak doesn’t own these locomotives.
P42 #172... love it’s fouled horn
I think the new Chargers have Cummings engines does anybody know if that's true
Yes the Chargers are powered by prime movers manufactured by Cummins
Yes, my brother designs them. They're built in Indiana
P42 best passenger loco by far !!!
Looooove the P42 🛤️
i Love the P42, the paint scheme is beautiful.
I call them the "Batman" because they remind me of the cowl from Adam West's Batman.
I’m so glad I grew up with p42 and not charger
Thank you for the video. The most notable difference to is the horn. the slightly higher pitch of the cChargers horn makes it much harder for me to hear. Excellent addition. Thank you very much.
I'm starting to see the P42's get replaced by the SC-44's on the tracks near my house. I'm not sure I like the change, but I'm sure the SC-44's will grow on me after awhile
It has to happen, we can't keep using the same stuff forever.
I love both of them.
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful
Yea a toss up. The 42 has a almost E-8 sound when departing. Crew sits up higher too. However bet the charger is fun to operate
Great video, I'm a P42 guy always will be, actually I'm a SDP40F guy but like the P42's also... Thanks for making the video!
I find the cab of the Charger looks like a big rig cab. A very clean fast look. It's progress, you keep finding ways to fit the need.
Robert Stark plus, it’s much easier to climb into and out of. That’s another advantage the Chargers have over the Genesis.
Were they both on the Carl Sandburg or is one on the Illinois Zephyr
Carl Sandburg
I went on a train just like the charger locomotive but it wasn’t # 4622 it was #4616
The Charger has a quicker take off.
Everyone talking about Genesis v Charger and I'm over here like: I wish was around to see the F40PH...
GE Genesis looks a million times better then the charger
I’m just saying
Americans - always superficial - "Oh they look larger, the Horn is better, I like the painting and the flashing lights". The important thing is: American Railroad are out of time.
As someone who goes by train every day, I truly do not care what the locomotive looks like as long as it gets me there on time.
I am an EMD fan and I still like the genesis’ better lol
F40s still have the number one spot though
Strongly Disagree, Chargers are way better looking and more streamlined, piss 42s look like passenger locos from a third world country.
I love them both, however the P42 have the transition look from f40ph and SDP40f's. I hope when the new long distance engines arrive, that they have either the bloody nose or even better, the three strips red, white and blue paint style . I do not like the current Amtrak paint style. For some reason it is too bland and lacks character. The p42's are the gracious green engines, while the Chargers are the new prince. Some the new EMD F59 are funny looking and betrayed the EMD traditional style. Thank you for a good film. Oh the horn on the p42's sound better then the Chargers.
I seen Both of these trains in real life and did ride them both to, My favorite is the SC-44 because I had more experience with it.
Both look good, both work good, why can’t Amtrak just revamp it’s P42’s and use both?
Because the P42 have reached retirement age, nothing lasts forever.
the horn of that p42 horn sounds fouled to a k5la but it also reminds me of a steam engine whistle.
great video 👍
I love em both because they both have E bells but the Charger always wins.
LA Railfan train
P42dc will win.
@@sandrahall9830 eventually it would lose
Same way the F40PH did
My first of impression of the P42 was that it was awful. BUT, today, to me, the P42 is slick, sleek, and beautiful. My opinion on the SC44 is not good, but maybe, given time, that too will change.
It was the same way when Amtrak acquired the ACS-64 electric locomotives for both Northeast Corridor and Keystone Corridor service. People didn't want to see the AEM-7 "Toasters" go, but they were at the end of their useful life cycles and Amtrak wanted an electric locomotive that could be as reliable as the AEM-7 (as the HHP-8 was an utter failure, much like the E-80s Amtrak purchased to replace the GG-8s it inherited from the PRR/Penn Central), yet Amtrak to use their new engine to be a basis for other high-speed corridor routes. The SC-44s borrow the basic design from the ACS-65 (both being built by Siemens), but differ only by their power source. However, unlike the ACS-65s, which are limited to overhead wire propulsion, Amtrak could also have Siemens manufacture a dual-powered SC-44 (a sort-of "SC-44DP") using either a third-rail shoe or pantograph for use in subway tunnels (like that of Amtrak's Empire Corridor trains in NYC), but switching to the diesel-electric motors when the train reaches the end of third-rail or overhead power traction supply. Such a locomotive would also allow commuter rail agencies like NJ Transit, LIRR, and Metro North to be able to retire most of their fleets and open new markets, such as "Midtown Direct" Service on NJT or the LIRR that would normally terminate at Newark Penn or Hoboken Stations (NJT) or outside of Queens (LIRR).
Sc-44 looks electric but i'ts diesel
I love the genesis but the charger is a much better locomotive. Stronger and faster they meet tier 4 requirements. I think it looks amazing.
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful
I thought 172 sounded familiar I’ve seen it 5 times in Galesburg lol, that was back in 2017 though. It’s too bad the Genesis locos are being replaced
The P42 utilizes HEP for train/hotel power requiring the prime mover to run at high RPM. Is the Charger similarly equipped, or is there an independent HEP genset aboard?
Siemens is taking over all of Amtrak now. Pretty soon, it's gonna be called "Siementrak" or something like that.
You Should Do One With The P42 Vs. My Favorite Amtrak Train The Acela Express
Actually I like them Both!
Sad News, P42 Is Likely To Retire Soon 😭😭
Yeah, probably just from Amtrak though, they've had a long career pulling trains across America
Coming to a commuter line near you, lol!
The P42DC Litterly Has A K5LLA Horn In This Video
P42s are the best
Disagreed
Question: Are they still training new engineers on the P42? Or have they completely switched to the Charger?
I just realised that in the intro at la plata thats a virtual raifan camera if you didnt know
SC-44 Charger looks far better, although the SCB-40 (Brightline variant) looks the best.
which one is the one for MBTA
like:sc-44 reply:p42
When will the P42’s be completely retired from Amtrak?
Probably sometime around 2024-26
What's their max speed if both are attached to 16 passenger coaches?
It is very difficult to answer such a question because it all depends if speed is measured on flat track, uphill or downhill. If on a flat track , the question is how many miles do you allow the train set to accelerate before measuring speed? If given enough time, top speed could be the same with 4 coaches. I will just need about 4 times longer to reach that said speed as with 16 coaches.
Maneirooooooooooo toooooooooooooop das galáxias esse trem americano
Obrigado por assistir, geeting dos EUA!
I like the SC44
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful.
In Britain and Europe, Siemens have an awful reputation regarding 1) track damage and 2) reliability. It will be interesting to see over time, whether these issues manifest themselves in America and Canada. I know the P42DC is slower accelerating, but that might be to do with her gearing for a 110 mph top speed. What is the top speed of the SC44 ? How does the SC44 compare to the 4,250 hp of a P42DC ? For looks, exhaust note, and horn sound - I prefer the P42DC. Regards, from London, England.
The p42 has a large Cooper Bessemer GE diesel engine ,the charger has a light weight high speed engine made by Cummins ,I believe it's a QSK 95
you didn’t notice the railcam there?
Nice video concept, just found the camera shaking all the time distracting.
SC-44 has grown on me, only thing I truly hate about it is the massive ass windows on its sides, COVER THAT UP FFS! Outside of that, while I will miss the p40/42dc, the chargers are a worthy replacement... just as long as those long-distance test turn out well.
Is Amtrak retiring the P42s over the new chargers?
Yes. Yes they are. Chargers will take over long distance and corridor routes.
Thankfully yes
I like the Amtrak’s P42 way better than the Siemens chargers I gone really miss the P42 and the idle noise and the whoop sound I remember riding the empire builder from Chicago union station to Wisconsin dells in the summer of 2012 the P42 idle noise sounded like music to my ears and it brings back great memories of the P42s
wow the sc-44 the next gen P42
I love such a educational video for you thank you so much for experimenting around a little bit and showing people getting into the train hobby the differences! I really liked this! However those Chargers are ugly as hell in my opinion, the Genesis will always win and will be remembered. And they need to slap a 1st gen on those Chargers and get the 3rd’s out of here, I mean I like them but they sound to fake to me like it’s hard to explain it has a automatic sound to it.
in my opinion:
-the genesis is the perfect amtrak locomotive
-the chargers are cool but feel small for a big train company like amtrak and appear that they should only run on commuter or intrastate railways
-the f125’s definitely look like big locomotives amtrak would use and be a great replacement but idk if it is capable of covering super long distances or if it was ever meant to
Charger wins on acceleration, horn, and quietness. P42 is hands down winner on design and livery - it looks good pulling any Amtrak car.
Is that a joke? the phase V Livery is disgusting and repulsive! It looks like someone with no imagination designed it.
The QSK-95 sounds badass, but it's too quiet!
I like both
I wonder which one the engineers prefer to drive. I wonder if the charger is going to be like a new diesel truck that after they have miles on them will only be reliable after they are deleted. I know they run DEF 🤔
I know we all like the Genesis, but the Chargers just seem like excellent locomotives and an upgrade from the Genesis all around. Better acceleration, less emissions, quiet. Amtrak is actually ordering a slightly re-designed Charger to be used on their long distance routes that I think looks a little better than the current ones. I presume the Chargers we have now will be kept on the shorter distance trains like the Surfliner in CA.
Also did anyone notice how much smoke the Genesis belched out compared to the Charger which made almost none?
I hope some one (hopefully Kato) does a nice charger in N scale...
Bachmann is making one in HO scale
@@CMOTrains783 Bachmann imnsho is garbage... I bought a HHP from them and changing the stupid rapido couplers out for knuckle couplers was a knightmare....also got some Amtubes from them..they too came with rapidos...on the amfleets the couplers have an odd dogleg design that can't be converted to knuckle couplers unless you go to body mount microtrains knuckle couplers...I can't do this because my T trak corner modules have too tight a radius..I was told that I could order knuckle coupler replacements on their website but there was nothing on the website about it and multiple COURTEOUS emails went unanswered...@$#% bachman! I'll be G-D D@#$%D before I ever buy one of their products again...BTW just like Amtrak now that I have Kato ACS-64s I don't run my HHP anymore....
just hope so because kato done the acs-64 which is made by siemens.
I have a HO Scale Amtrak Midwest Charger it's beautiful.
I'm going to miss the muscular beating of that engine in the P42. From inside the passenger car, there's little or no difference. The Chargers seem to sound quieter from outside. Other than the paint job and the open barn door effect, a better muffler and maybe higher efficiency seem to be it. There is no holding back progress, however.
The charger looks nice but I prefer the GE because to the look, idling sound, and the horn. My favorite P42DC would have to be 199 as it has what I consider to be the most beautiful Amtrak horn I've ever heard
Why these locomotives haven't dual cabs?
No room. It would make the loco too long.
The SC-44 looks badass but I love the Genesis more
I don’t really see P42DCs anymore is this the retirement of the P42DC???🥺
The P42's are still around, but they're mainly just used in Long-Distance service now
Both have their unique distinctions. One is an American company. One is a German. And both are working well
What sucks is that you can't open the window to wave