Got the S9 about a week and some change ago.. Been absolutely loving it, and getting great results out of it. Aside from that, it's been super FUN to shoot. And you're right, the Lumix Lab app lends itself to the "fun" I'm talking about. Not only is that a game-changer that EVERY major camera company will copy, but it has been a WORKFLOW changer, for me...personally. I haven't edited a photo in weeks.
I’m all for others copying it! Nikon arguably already did with the Imaging Cloud setup they announced, but unfortunately it’s only for new releases currently. And despite me criticizing it pretty hard, I’m glad you’re enjoying it. There are a ton of great tools out there for different people, I just don’t want to see them get more expensive and prohibitive.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes ! I think it's an emotional/financial decision product. Because their others products are game changing for the price, like the S5ii/x or the old s1h when it was launch. What do you think ?
I think every release prior to this was to impress the market and grab market share. Now, if they’re settling into the amount they’ve acquired, they’re ready to raise costs and inflate the value of the brand. Pure finance
Great call talking about how there is probably a "agreement" amongst the L mount manufacturers to protect the Leica Q by not releasing a 28mm prime, which sucks as that's my favourite focal length and having recently got a S5ii having to "settle" with the 35mm f1.8 is depressing. I want a 28mm!!
It’s certainly curious the longer they go without one! 28mm + 50mm is my favorite combo. The 24mm f2 i-Series is good, but I’m less comfortable with 24 all the time.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I can’t do 24mm all the time, tried that with the Fuji 16 1.4 and it never quite clicked with me like 28mm does. Have decided to just get a sigma 28-70 2.8 since it seems compact enough and I really only want a zoom range from 28-50 (also my two fave focal lengths) The extra 20mm on the long end is just icing on the cake
@rudermanphoto very solid! Never got to try that one, but there were a lot of days of the just rocking the 24-70 Art on my S5IIX. So I imagine it’s similar and lighter
For me...a non video kinda guy...lens availability tops camera choice every day of the week...Sony...Canon...and even Nikon DSLR tops L mount glass. Cheers
@@georgemahlum6542 I have 2 F mount lenses adapted to my Z7. Sigma 24-35 f2, and 135 f1.8. Killer combo and relatively affordable. People sleep on the DSLR glass
I have the S9 and it was fun to play with. But now that I am home, I find myself just grabbing my S5 II instead over and over for the EVF and better handling. They sent the wrong group of creators out to Japan IMO
The OVF issue is more to do with moving away from DSLR so you dont have a prism showing you what the DSLR sees, theres a trade off when adding an OVF on a mirrorless thats why you only see it in pretty niche cameras
Lumix User with an S5 II here. Got the S9 and am pretty happy about it. Dont care about the no mechanical Shutter, no EVF, etc. The only thing that is really questionable is the 26mm F8 - tested it out in the Shop and almost started laughing.
@@jackrussellt2211 ehhhh the most compact are the slowest, and they’re not really that small for the apertures they offer IMO. I had almost all of them. Nature of the L mount means keeping out a lot of the most interesting manufacturers right now.
Nice to see someone who speak truth No EVF No Hotshoe No mechanical shutter Plastic build Lack of dials 15min video limit In europe 1700€ Lumix is paying Japan trip to "youtubers" , they rather invest in R&D and designers. Most of these reviewers are so dishonest, it's funny. I forgot the manuel focusing F8 lens... By the way a new GX micro four third camera with G9II sensor would have make more sense, because there are lots of pancake lenses for m43.
the slow ass sensor wit no mech shutter, it is a bendy mess. Nikkor 40 F2 is a brilliant lens. If L mount is not capable of pancake lenses, the mount is a failure.
coming from a three body Lumix shooter - this camera wouldn't even take a podium spot in a camera special olympics - even if it was water proof - most action cameras are a better deal - they too have no mechanical no shutter, no flash....even the Ace Pro offers open gate and direct upload and editing to a photo app.
The whole issue with this camera, is it is a toy and not a toy! It looks to be a tik toker camera but is better than that under the hood, but doesn't quite get there. As a person coming from another system to buy into open gate and anamorphic lenses, it has a number of problems. You need an adapter, these are not penny's and pushes the price up (also these adapters don't work with AF that well). It also does not do any 50/60 fps in any compression in the open gate. This really cripples the camera for me. It is almost there, but falls short. Yes you can go, I will live with it, but I already have cameras that do all the thing in this camera better. I want to love it, but just can't!!!!!
I don't do video...A used pair of Sony A7c bodies along with an even older A7s handle most things photographic for me now ....( I am an American retired in Bangkok). I gave up on both Panasonic and Olympus M43 since they seem to refuse to continue their 'rangefinder" style GX9 and Pen F bodies....Cheers
@@Princeton_James i don't think it is absolutely junk, they have now removed the record limit. But as you say, this camera could of been amazing, no flash for photography is just stupid, how do you take photos inside? Even a phone would be better!!! For video it is more of a competitor, but it doesn't do 50/60fps in open gate for anamorphics or 4K, which will be my main use case. Then there is the price, the kit lenses are rubbish, and adapters are not cheap, which then pushes your outlay up, instead of a rubbish lens they should of included an adapter. Then the price for non Lumix uses becomes a bit more attractive 😜. Then there is the slow old sensor, this is not such an issue, but the price....... But no, lumix only wanted to take off $100 AUD for black friday. Sorry lumix, this camera at it's price point, is a show stopper!!!!
@@waynosfotoscameras it's hard to call any Panasonic junk but it out all recent cameras this interests me the least. I waited quite a while for an A7C series. The 1st one didn't impress me. The A7CR is very good.
Yeah my wild prediction there is the LX version will never come. I think they might only keep the premium Leica version. Total shot in the dark/no precedent, I know. The APS-C 18mm TL is still the only official AF one in the whole line!
Another review from someone who has had no physical contact with the camera. It's an S5 Mark II with some limitations. Outside of the echo chamber of RUclips I'm sure the camera will do fine. Heads up...it doesn't need to use the v-log profile for the Real Time LUT feature. That information is also in the S5 Mark II manual.
Cope however you need to. What I said is true. The camera is an insult to everyone in the hobby/profession. Thanks for the Reddit explanation despite me being open about not having my S5IIx for quite some time now 🤣
Even funnier, I just checked Richard Wong’s video on the subject and verbatim: “The Real Time LUT photo profile uses the V-Log as the base photo profile” 🤣🤣
I’m sad to see the actual truth about this camera getting so few view while the people who got flown to Japan to make paid ads get thousands. LUMIX user.
Yup Lumix told Gerald undone to prepost a title for the S9 before he even got his hands on it. Gerald responded by saying are you insane and declined the offer. Mad respect to this RUclipsr and Gerald.
It's sad to so many niche RUclipsrs try to get credibility by bashing this camera when they haven't get one in their hands. What can i learn from someone who not even use this camera.
@@ryszardzokowski812 you think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.
You can't take any critique do you? I don't do any thing to offend you, but here you are telling me i am bot. So new YT review is coming - telling everything about camera, without even actually using camera.
It's sad to so many niche RUclipsrs try to get credibility by bashing this camera when they haven't get one in their hands. What can i learn from someone who not even use this camera.
You think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL 😂😂😂 Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.
i was thinking the thing after my 5th S9 video of the day, but I do own Lumix - for me, it's the slow down on the freeway to look at a car crash....just can't help myself.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes the 26mm is smallest but what I have is the 28 and 40. I was wondering if protecting Leica makes sense. A lot of people went to Sony and Nikon instead. But many are brand loyal too. The time will tell which is the best strategy.
Thank you for being honest. All these RUclipsrs sold out for their trip to Japan. No ethics in these reviewers nowadays. The R8 blows this camera out of the water for the same price.
Thanks for watching! Expensive lens ecosystem (for the fast stuff) but most definitely does. Ideally I’d like to always keep the channel open source/funded through digital and real products.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D if only other RUclipsrs followed this strategy we wouldn't be duped into buying gimmicks and hype. Thanks for the great video. New subscriber.
Its an odd thing to bring up on the loss of optical viewfinders, a mirrorless camera cant have an optical viewfinder! It has no mirror and to be honest, the EVF was one of the best things to happen to a camera in recent years. The S9 is an interesting camera, but so far all the videos I have watched criticized it from the point of view of what they wanted the next lumix camera to be. Its not that camera!! Its aimed at those who have been using a phone, those that wanted an X100Vi, but may consider this camera because it has the real time LUTS. I agree with you on this, I'd love the LUT features in my S5iix, because sometimes I dont colour grade footage, I shoot sooc video and just adjust for any exposure or wb issues, when i'm in a hurry. However I digress, the G9 is for these folks, the ones that will love to get a look from camera, the ones that use devices with an electronic shutter already, their mobile phone. They will like the flippy selfie touch screen, they care not for an evf and would not understand rolling shutter if it jumped out to bite them on the bum! This camera is ideal for them and if it sells big, great, because that means we may get a compact model that is more suited to us, i'd love a mini S5iiX, something lighter. Heck, i'd consider the S9 as I can stick it in a backpack for hiking and motorcycling. Its so light, especially with that 18-40mm lens. But its not for us camera nerds, and we need to accept that companies can make a product for other users! This is what so many of these reactions seem to miss. Sure, its missing a viewfinder, an mechanical shutter, and there are recording limits? If thats an issue, get an S5II or S5iiX, its that simple! Cameras are coming back in a big way, but as fun toys for those that can throw £1500 at them. We should embrace this as it means more cash to invest in cameras that we professionals and enthusiasts desire. I agree with you though, that Lumix should not try to influence reviews, Insta360 got caught doing this. So, my question to you, if you look at this camera as something for a none technical person who just wants something better than their phone, why would they not go for this? The fact the Sony has a shutter is not relevant, remember the buyers here are likely none technical. That 26mm lens, it is focused to infinity as I understand it, the idea behind it is to point an shoot, but have a very compact package. Just like a phone. I would, however, have thought that a 26mm pancake with AF would have been better. TTArtisans 27mm F2,8 lens on fuji is tiny, but manages to have AF
So couple things. EVFs are good, and while it’s not easy to have OVFs because of not having a mirror, it is actually possible. The X100 and X-Pro series have the best of both worlds. Not every camera is going to have that design, but certainly rangefinder style bodies could have more options that do have that. I would argue the HVF has sublated the previous options. Probably the most alarming aspect of the S9, is that they’re calling this their new entry level. With less than barebones features. Likely in an attempt to charge more on the new mid and high level options. I wouldn’t recommend new photographers get this for a similar reason I wouldn’t suggest an X100 as their one and only camera. They will end up missing out on things that could impact their experience in a way that pushes them away from the hobby. I see a lot of disappointed people trying to offload impulse X100s for this reason (assuming that’s all legitimate). Someone getting a small body like this with all its compromises will likely disappoint them, and they can get so much more out of the S5,II, and IIX. And for the lens, yeah there are a plethora of options that prove it was unnecessary to make that compromise.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D But if you look into camera history, the rangefinder was replaced by the SLR camera and for good reason. With an SLR you could see what the camera could because of the mirror. While you could add a rangefinder style viewfinder, as the X Pro series have, they do not see the actual shot you have framed, because lenses zoom. Sure a rangefinder works on a fixed focal length camera like the X100 series, but thats because its a 23mm lens that the optical viewfinder is tuned to. So to answer your question, no, you cannot give a mirrorless camera a rangefinder type optical viewfinder, without it being as much use as a chocolate fireguard. While at £1500 the S9 is not cheap, look how much all entry level models are these days? Sony, Fuji, all the new APS-C models are approaching £1400-£1500 too. Sure the S9 has compromises, the digital shutter did seem an odd choice, but to fit a mechanical one, its claimed that it would have added bulk and weight. Ignore the camera if its not for you. Maybe Lumix will release and S9Pro, with the missing bits. Maybe slightly bigger, with better cooling, 3.6million dot EVF, Prores internal, and a mechanical shutter, for £1900. Basically a compact S6iiX
@@NatsWright you’re telling me things I explained in this same video haha. I know the history, and those aren’t technically real rangefinders either. It’s not a question either, you can 100% give a mirrorless camera an OVF. The bodies I mentioned have that included in their HVF. APS-C bodies are getting overpriced too. The whole market is (did a whole video about MFT), which I’ve been critiquing. And will continue to, along with the S9.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D lol, but a mirrorless camera with an ovf is a DSLR, with a mirror and pentaprisum. It's very hard to add that to a rangefinder body and why dslr cameras have their classic shape, for the mirror and prisum. I strongly disagree on this point, mirrorless cameras were a natural evolution from a DSLR. Note that prior to mirrorless, there were upgraded DSLR cameras, budget was pentamirror, better was pentaprisum. The higher offerings had more AF points too, another limitation of the design that mirrorless are better at. You are essentially criticizing progress in camera tech!!
@@NatsWright I think you have too black and white of a view on this. It’s a dialectical view of progress, and not an abstract idea of progress. Directly in the video I acknowledge the there was a path of development and all these things change, it doesn’t mean they’re just 100% wholly better because they’re new. And technically, you can slap an OVF on anything it just won’t be parallax corrected.
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Got the S9 about a week and some change ago.. Been absolutely loving it, and getting great results out of it. Aside from that, it's been super FUN to shoot. And you're right, the Lumix Lab app lends itself to the "fun" I'm talking about. Not only is that a game-changer that EVERY major camera company will copy, but it has been a WORKFLOW changer, for me...personally. I haven't edited a photo in weeks.
I’m all for others copying it! Nikon arguably already did with the Imaging Cloud setup they announced, but unfortunately it’s only for new releases currently. And despite me criticizing it pretty hard, I’m glad you’re enjoying it. There are a ton of great tools out there for different people, I just don’t want to see them get more expensive and prohibitive.
It's a bad camera only here for marketing reason vs Fujifilm. I'm using s5 since 3 years so it's from a Lumix fan.
S5 got a bad rep unnecessarily. Focus be damned, ended up being an insane deal when prices dropped. They’ve lost their way
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes ! I think it's an emotional/financial decision product. Because their others products are game changing for the price, like the S5ii/x or the old s1h when it was launch. What do you think ?
I think every release prior to this was to impress the market and grab market share. Now, if they’re settling into the amount they’ve acquired, they’re ready to raise costs and inflate the value of the brand. Pure finance
I'll be sticking to my Sigma FP-L for now. I was hoping this could compete but.....
FP-L is good in its own right. Just protect that USB port
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D is that what broke on yours?
@@numerounotg yessir. Idk if it was leaving the DPL SSD on for so long or switching it out with the EVF, but eventually it quit reading anything
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Thats not great. I have all the add ons from DPL too. I hope it won't damage the port in any way 🤞
I think DPL made some amazing stuff, so I certainly don’t want to rush to blame them. Likely just time and switching things out.
Great call talking about how there is probably a "agreement" amongst the L mount manufacturers to protect the Leica Q by not releasing a 28mm prime, which sucks as that's my favourite focal length and having recently got a S5ii having to "settle" with the 35mm f1.8 is depressing. I want a 28mm!!
It’s certainly curious the longer they go without one! 28mm + 50mm is my favorite combo. The 24mm f2 i-Series is good, but I’m less comfortable with 24 all the time.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I can’t do 24mm all the time, tried that with the Fuji 16 1.4 and it never quite clicked with me like 28mm does.
Have decided to just get a sigma 28-70 2.8 since it seems compact enough and I really only want a zoom range from 28-50 (also my two fave focal lengths)
The extra 20mm on the long end is just icing on the cake
@rudermanphoto very solid! Never got to try that one, but there were a lot of days of the just rocking the 24-70 Art on my S5IIX. So I imagine it’s similar and lighter
For me...a non video kinda guy...lens availability tops camera choice every day of the week...Sony...Canon...and even Nikon DSLR tops L mount glass. Cheers
@@georgemahlum6542 I have 2 F mount lenses adapted to my Z7. Sigma 24-35 f2, and 135 f1.8. Killer combo and relatively affordable. People sleep on the DSLR glass
I have the S9 and it was fun to play with. But now that I am home, I find myself just grabbing my S5 II instead over and over for the EVF and better handling. They sent the wrong group of creators out to Japan IMO
Yeah the II/IIX make infinitely more sense and are solid cameras. Even an A7C tier EVF and hotshoe would’ve gone a long way
The OVF issue is more to do with moving away from DSLR so you dont have a prism showing you what the DSLR sees, theres a trade off when adding an OVF on a mirrorless thats why you only see it in pretty niche cameras
Oh I know lol
That was the point when I realized this was a troll video/channel lol
Lumix User with an S5 II here. Got the S9 and am pretty happy about it. Dont care about the no mechanical Shutter, no EVF, etc.
The only thing that is really questionable is the 26mm F8 - tested it out in the Shop and almost started laughing.
L mount should have way more compact options!
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D- it actually already has them. The Sigma ISeries are perfect but of course I would like to see more options, who wouldnt?
@@jackrussellt2211 ehhhh the most compact are the slowest, and they’re not really that small for the apertures they offer IMO. I had almost all of them.
Nature of the L mount means keeping out a lot of the most interesting manufacturers right now.
Nice to see someone who speak truth
No EVF
No Hotshoe
No mechanical shutter
Plastic build
Lack of dials
15min video limit
In europe 1700€
Lumix is paying Japan trip to "youtubers" , they rather invest in R&D and designers. Most of these reviewers are so dishonest, it's funny.
I forgot the manuel focusing F8 lens...
By the way a new GX micro four third camera with G9II sensor would have make more sense, because there are lots of pancake lenses for m43.
Agreed! A new MFT body with any of the pancakes or the 25mm would be killer. Also miss the design language of the LC1
no weather sealing also to add to that long list unfortunately😥
I dont think it HAS to use VLOG. Im actually pretty sure you can use any profile as a base
You very well could be right. Would be much better, but I would need one in my hands again to know
A7Cii and S9 is the same price in Australia. Let that sink in.
The II?! Wowie
the slow ass sensor wit no mech shutter, it is a bendy mess. Nikkor 40 F2 is a brilliant lens. If L mount is not capable of pancake lenses, the mount is a failure.
The 28 + 40mm would be a killer combo. Both small and actually functional, unlike this 26mm
coming from a three body Lumix shooter - this camera wouldn't even take a podium spot in a camera special olympics - even if it was water proof - most action cameras are a better deal - they too have no mechanical no shutter, no flash....even the Ace Pro offers open gate and direct upload and editing to a photo app.
🤣 brutal
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D you should hear my inner voice opinion
The whole issue with this camera, is it is a toy and not a toy! It looks to be a tik toker camera but is better than that under the hood, but doesn't quite get there. As a person coming from another system to buy into open gate and anamorphic lenses, it has a number of problems. You need an adapter, these are not penny's and pushes the price up (also these adapters don't work with AF that well). It also does not do any 50/60 fps in any compression in the open gate. This really cripples the camera for me. It is almost there, but falls short. Yes you can go, I will live with it, but I already have cameras that do all the thing in this camera better. I want to love it, but just can't!!!!!
It’s full of contradictions, I agree ☝️
I don't do video...A used pair of Sony A7c bodies along with an even older A7s handle most things photographic for me now ....( I am an American retired in Bangkok).
I gave up on both Panasonic and Olympus M43 since they seem to refuse to continue their 'rangefinder" style GX9 and Pen F bodies....Cheers
A new Pen F would be great if they actually update the internals and sensor
I thought this might replace my Sigma FP... until it was released lol.
Haha yeah no way. Flawless victory for the fp
I've never seen so many people upset about a camera. Rightfully so though. Absolute junk.
Lowering standards and the people are fed up
@@Princeton_James i don't think it is absolutely junk, they have now removed the record limit.
But as you say, this camera could of been amazing, no flash for photography is just stupid, how do you take photos inside? Even a phone would be better!!!
For video it is more of a competitor, but it doesn't do 50/60fps in open gate for anamorphics or 4K, which will be my main use case.
Then there is the price, the kit lenses are rubbish, and adapters are not cheap, which then pushes your outlay up, instead of a rubbish lens they should of included an adapter. Then the price for non Lumix uses becomes a bit more attractive 😜. Then there is the slow old sensor, this is not such an issue, but the price....... But no, lumix only wanted to take off $100 AUD for black friday. Sorry lumix, this camera at it's price point, is a show stopper!!!!
@@waynosfotoscameras it's hard to call any Panasonic junk but it out all recent cameras this interests me the least. I waited quite a while for an A7C series. The 1st one didn't impress me. The A7CR is very good.
The Leica D-Lux 8 is an even bigger joke from Leica that was overshadowed by this announcement. The lack of a proper pancake on L-mount is baffling.
Yeah my wild prediction there is the LX version will never come. I think they might only keep the premium Leica version. Total shot in the dark/no precedent, I know.
The APS-C 18mm TL is still the only official AF one in the whole line!
Good video. I like the Lut use case but nothing else really. If it had an evf maybe I could overlook it the other but at that price point…oof
Yeah no clue what they were thinking there. Price might drop like the original S5 which would be nice
Another review from someone who has had no physical contact with the camera. It's an S5 Mark II with some limitations. Outside of the echo chamber of RUclips I'm sure the camera will do fine. Heads up...it doesn't need to use the v-log profile for the Real Time LUT feature. That information is also in the S5 Mark II manual.
Cope however you need to. What I said is true. The camera is an insult to everyone in the hobby/profession.
Thanks for the Reddit explanation despite me being open about not having my S5IIx for quite some time now 🤣
Even funnier, I just checked Richard Wong’s video on the subject and verbatim: “The Real Time LUT photo profile uses the V-Log as the base photo profile” 🤣🤣
I’m sad to see the actual truth about this camera getting so few view while the people who got flown to Japan to make paid ads get thousands. LUMIX user.
Appreciate you watching! Is what it is, takes time to grow.
Yup Lumix told Gerald undone to prepost a title for the S9 before he even got his hands on it. Gerald responded by saying are you insane and declined the offer. Mad respect to this RUclipsr and Gerald.
It's sad to so many niche RUclipsrs try to get credibility by bashing this camera when they haven't get one in their hands. What can i learn from someone who not even use this camera.
@@ryszardzokowski812 you think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL
Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.
You can't take any critique do you? I don't do any thing to offend you, but here you are telling me i am bot. So new YT review is coming - telling everything about camera, without even actually using camera.
It's sad to so many niche RUclipsrs try to get credibility by bashing this camera when they haven't get one in their hands. What can i learn from someone who not even use this camera.
You think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL 😂😂😂
Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.
Hmm, why do I watch reviews of a camera I would never buy and from a brand I have never even touched? Anyway... 😂
The S5IIX is really good. This one, not so much. And it’s what we do haha
i was thinking the thing after my 5th S9 video of the day, but I do own Lumix - for me, it's the slow down on the freeway to look at a car crash....just can't help myself.
Nikon has a Z 28 f2.8, not a pancake but small and light. The release of Panasonic S8 with a 26 f8 is a joke.
@@michaelajoseph6856 28 and 26 oddly enough. 26 is their absolute smallest
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes the 26mm is smallest but what I have is the 28 and 40. I was wondering if protecting Leica makes sense. A lot of people went to Sony and Nikon instead. But many are brand loyal too. The time will tell which is the best strategy.
This camera is dead in the water!
Might be decent with a hefty price drop. Still say fp all the way
Thank you for being honest. All these RUclipsrs sold out for their trip to Japan. No ethics in these reviewers nowadays. The R8 blows this camera out of the water for the same price.
Thanks for watching! Expensive lens ecosystem (for the fast stuff) but most definitely does. Ideally I’d like to always keep the channel open source/funded through digital and real products.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D if only other RUclipsrs followed this strategy we wouldn't be duped into buying gimmicks and hype. Thanks for the great video. New subscriber.
Its an odd thing to bring up on the loss of optical viewfinders, a mirrorless camera cant have an optical viewfinder! It has no mirror and to be honest, the EVF was one of the best things to happen to a camera in recent years.
The S9 is an interesting camera, but so far all the videos I have watched criticized it from the point of view of what they wanted the next lumix camera to be. Its not that camera!! Its aimed at those who have been using a phone, those that wanted an X100Vi, but may consider this camera because it has the real time LUTS. I agree with you on this, I'd love the LUT features in my S5iix, because sometimes I dont colour grade footage, I shoot sooc video and just adjust for any exposure or wb issues, when i'm in a hurry.
However I digress, the G9 is for these folks, the ones that will love to get a look from camera, the ones that use devices with an electronic shutter already, their mobile phone. They will like the flippy selfie touch screen, they care not for an evf and would not understand rolling shutter if it jumped out to bite them on the bum!
This camera is ideal for them and if it sells big, great, because that means we may get a compact model that is more suited to us, i'd love a mini S5iiX, something lighter.
Heck, i'd consider the S9 as I can stick it in a backpack for hiking and motorcycling. Its so light, especially with that 18-40mm lens.
But its not for us camera nerds, and we need to accept that companies can make a product for other users! This is what so many of these reactions seem to miss.
Sure, its missing a viewfinder, an mechanical shutter, and there are recording limits? If thats an issue, get an S5II or S5iiX, its that simple!
Cameras are coming back in a big way, but as fun toys for those that can throw £1500 at them. We should embrace this as it means more cash to invest in cameras that we professionals and enthusiasts desire.
I agree with you though, that Lumix should not try to influence reviews, Insta360 got caught doing this.
So, my question to you, if you look at this camera as something for a none technical person who just wants something better than their phone, why would they not go for this? The fact the Sony has a shutter is not relevant, remember the buyers here are likely none technical.
That 26mm lens, it is focused to infinity as I understand it, the idea behind it is to point an shoot, but have a very compact package. Just like a phone. I would, however, have thought that a 26mm pancake with AF would have been better. TTArtisans 27mm F2,8 lens on fuji is tiny, but manages to have AF
So couple things.
EVFs are good, and while it’s not easy to have OVFs because of not having a mirror, it is actually possible.
The X100 and X-Pro series have the best of both worlds. Not every camera is going to have that design, but certainly rangefinder style bodies could have more options that do have that. I would argue the HVF has sublated the previous options.
Probably the most alarming aspect of the S9, is that they’re calling this their new entry level. With less than barebones features. Likely in an attempt to charge more on the new mid and high level options.
I wouldn’t recommend new photographers get this for a similar reason I wouldn’t suggest an X100 as their one and only camera. They will end up missing out on things that could impact their experience in a way that pushes them away from the hobby. I see a lot of disappointed people trying to offload impulse X100s for this reason (assuming that’s all legitimate).
Someone getting a small body like this with all its compromises will likely disappoint them, and they can get so much more out of the S5,II, and IIX.
And for the lens, yeah there are a plethora of options that prove it was unnecessary to make that compromise.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D But if you look into camera history, the rangefinder was replaced by the SLR camera and for good reason. With an SLR you could see what the camera could because of the mirror. While you could add a rangefinder style viewfinder, as the X Pro series have, they do not see the actual shot you have framed, because lenses zoom. Sure a rangefinder works on a fixed focal length camera like the X100 series, but thats because its a 23mm lens that the optical viewfinder is tuned to.
So to answer your question, no, you cannot give a mirrorless camera a rangefinder type optical viewfinder, without it being as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
While at £1500 the S9 is not cheap, look how much all entry level models are these days? Sony, Fuji, all the new APS-C models are approaching £1400-£1500 too.
Sure the S9 has compromises, the digital shutter did seem an odd choice, but to fit a mechanical one, its claimed that it would have added bulk and weight.
Ignore the camera if its not for you. Maybe Lumix will release and S9Pro, with the missing bits. Maybe slightly bigger, with better cooling, 3.6million dot EVF, Prores internal, and a mechanical shutter, for £1900. Basically a compact S6iiX
@@NatsWright you’re telling me things I explained in this same video haha. I know the history, and those aren’t technically real rangefinders either.
It’s not a question either, you can 100% give a mirrorless camera an OVF. The bodies I mentioned have that included in their HVF.
APS-C bodies are getting overpriced too. The whole market is (did a whole video about MFT), which I’ve been critiquing. And will continue to, along with the S9.
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D lol, but a mirrorless camera with an ovf is a DSLR, with a mirror and pentaprisum. It's very hard to add that to a rangefinder body and why dslr cameras have their classic shape, for the mirror and prisum. I strongly disagree on this point, mirrorless cameras were a natural evolution from a DSLR. Note that prior to mirrorless, there were upgraded DSLR cameras, budget was pentamirror, better was pentaprisum. The higher offerings had more AF points too, another limitation of the design that mirrorless are better at. You are essentially criticizing progress in camera tech!!
@@NatsWright I think you have too black and white of a view on this. It’s a dialectical view of progress, and not an abstract idea of progress. Directly in the video I acknowledge the there was a path of development and all these things change, it doesn’t mean they’re just 100% wholly better because they’re new.
And technically, you can slap an OVF on anything it just won’t be parallax corrected.