my 2015 is automatic and i love it! you get what you like not what everybody else gets. its more convient for me than a standard i run in mexico and beat standard cars all the time. and yes its modded thats what you do to a mustang have fun with it!!!
I prefer a manual as, to me, it's part of the driving experience rowing through the gears. It just adds to it. I don't care if someone else likes an automatic Mustang. It could be that they have physical issues that keep them from driving a manual, or it could be that their daily commutes involve them in a lot of stop and go traffic, where a manual becomes tedious. The only way it affects me, is that if I was looking at buying a Mustang and saw it was an automatic, I would no longer be interested in that vehicle. Automatic transmissions have come a long way, and have their place. Just not in my garage at this point.
People need to drive what they like. Stop trying to justify their decision by ridiculing people that choose differently. I think for some stick drivers, it's a safety blanket. And for some automatics, it's because they don't know how to drive manual. I'm a tech geek. I wanted remote start. I wanted paddle shifters. But I also have a V6 so I get that grief too. Except with the in person Mustang crew I drive with. Very few 6s. Plenty of turbos and tons of 5.0s. No trash talk. We all just enjoy our rides however we choose to make them.
I drive a 2013 mustang gtcs manual and I want to get a 2018 mustang gt 10 speed auto. My dad once told me that no one can shift faster then an automatic, I finally believe him ,thanks to the new 10 speed auto.
I have an automatic 2015. There are times I wish I had a manual just for the fun of it, but most of the time am very happy with the auto. When I punch that sucker its already shifted before my brain would tell me to do it.
I've got a manual transmission in my 5.0 because I find the experience of 3 pedals more engaging o drive. That said, I totally see the point of the automatic. From a pure acceleration standpoint, auto is just flat out faster. A fast shifting state of the art 10 speed from Ford/GM is compelling. If I was in the market again,, I'd totally test drive both transmissions and get a taste of the 10 speed. It's 2017 and the game is changing; I'm just old fashioned.
If you complain about someone else owning an auto or a manual and it doesn't affect you then you are not a true car enthusiast. Appreciate all builds and all all transmissions even if you don't agree with them sometimes.
I'll take an automatic transmission for certain cars but FOR ME, I've had so much more fun driving a manual GT than I've had with any other car. It shifts like butter from the factory, put some money in aftermarket mods and you've got a hell of a car. Rev matching, heel toe shifting and controlling the car at your will is too much fun. Great videos!! Love both the autos and the manuals just different preferences for everyone. Cheers!
I'm a purist, I love my manuals. All three of my Mustang GTs were and are manual. When I was rolling imports (GTI and STi) they were manual. When I get my C7 Z06, I want the manual. I don't hate on the autos. The technology for automatics has made great leaps. Too bad the same hasn't hasn't happened for the manual transmission. The auto reflects the current era, and I get that. To each his own. I just hope that the manual still has a place in the future. The artistry of shifting, heel and toe, and rev matching, that's what its about for me. I appreciate the improvements of the new automatics, its amazing. I do remember when the manual was king though. Manual transmission for me still, its the art of driving at it's core. Keep up the great work on your videos.
I have a manual 2015 Mustang GT. I love it. I have nothing against auto's. Especially a 10 speed. I would NOT want to shift my manual 10 times though lol. I'm an older guy and don't really race anymore. I just enjoy driving a manual way over an auto. I've been driving manuals since 1962 when I got my driver's license but have driven auto's since then as well. I have no doubt the manual will eventually disappear but it will be a sorry day to the auto industry. I hope I'm not around. They ARE more fun to drive IMHO of course. Have fun with your auto. I enjoyed your video. Didn't know the 10 speed was worked on by both manufacturer's....Interesting.
Honestly, the future is electric. Ford has already announced the Hybrid Mustang coming in 2020. So, I don't think it's going to be long until there is an all electric Mustang. Blasphemy, I know! But it's going to happen...
I am the manual guy but I would never tell you your auto car sucks....my left knee is shit now from driving a manual so many years...that 10 speed is a big yes to me and I love shifting my own gears
i'm one of the die-hard manual fans for sure, but before i bought my 2015 gt, i test drove a 2016 gt with an automatic, and it was an amazing experience for sure! definitely a luxury item compared to the manual, to be able to get-up-and-go just by flooring it. exciting in a different kind of way - although my preference is the more involved driving experience.
The automatic is the faster vehicle. That's what counts on the streets. That cannot be denied. I own a manual but 9/10 I'm gonna lose against a similarly equipped automatic car. Those are the facts.
I went from a manual car to an automatic GT. I did my research and the 6R80's 1st gr is 4.10, even though it's a 3.15. If I just do a Torque converter I will definitely beat a manual every time with the same power. It did take a tune to help the shifting points.
I'm still in the wantabe stage. I was hoping to buy my first Mustang this year but life simply got in the way so now I'm aiming for the first part of next year if things work out. I have always thought that the manual was the only way to go but I took a trip to visit family and friend back in March and rented a Mustang convertible. It was an automatic V6 and you know, I really enjoyed it. I've also read some things about the new 10 speed that makes me curious about it so now I'm starting to come off the "manual or nothing" mindset. At this point, I definitely want to test drive both. Then I'll be better able to make a decision.
I have an eight speed auto on my 2016 Genesis Coupe and I love it!! I still have the option of manually shifting with the paddle shifters or the stick. Albeit with an auto clutch.
When I watched videos of the 10 speed automatic in the Camaro ZL1, I was impressed. The videos I watched were of stock ZL1 Camaros and the gears were pretty close and they shifted very quick. I would love to see a GT500 with the 10 speed.
I live right outside of Dallas Tx and own an automatic 2015 mustang, I'm telling you I would hate to drive a manual in the Dallas traffic so I let the automatic transmission do the work for me while I still have a muscle car at the same time
I've had both(manual and auto) always enjoyed the manual for the control and connection and of course the idea that replacing a clutch was way cheaper than rebuilding an auto. But you get no hate from me brother. I'd be glad to drive either and am excited to see Ford progressing in general. Thanks for always having straight up honest videos 👍🏻
I have a automatic 2017 and I kinda wish it was 10 speed, 7 or 8 would be fine too. Just on the highway doing like 70 in 6th gear is still alittle high in the RPMs for me with my exhaust. But I'll deal with it cause I love the sound the rest of the time
It's not about performance for a lot of people; it's about the driving experience and connectedness you get rowing your own gears. I just wish Ford would've put the 6060 in the S550, instead of the Gertrash
I just love manuals because it is the last thing we as drivers that connect us to the road. Modern cars have become so watered down and dampened they are starting to feel artificial. That is a trend that I don't like. We are being disconnected from the driving experience. Now days people don't even want to drive, they just want to get from point A to point B, forget about enjoying the drive in between.
I'm a learner driver and may not ever own a Mustang but this is my say: The first time I drove a car, it was my Sister's AU Ford Falcon, which is an automatic car and I found it boring as hell to drive, despite being quite a powerful car for a learner driver. The second car I drove was a Mazda 323 Astina with a 5-speed manual transmission and I found it extremely fun to drive despite having a fairly weak engine. I personally hate driving automatic cars and think they're boring to drive but I'm not going to shame someone for owning one. Like 16P51 says in the video, it's a personal preference and nothing more
The reason more people are going to the automatic is because as time goes by less people learn how to drive manual. It all depends on what you want the car for as well. If you will be commuting in heavy traffic or want it for drag racing then obviously you should go for the auto. However, there are people like me that will stick with manual 100% even if we lose a race to someone with an auto. To me, it's about the driving experience and not really about numbers. Manual is a LOT more fun. Downshifting/healtoeing ...this is just cool to me. Of course we still want it to be quick and want more HP but to me I rather practice on improving my shifting than just have a computer done for me. I've driven a new ZL1 with the auto and it is great so I'm sure it will be similar but I prefer the manual. I currently own a 15GT 6spd track package.
Definitely nothing wrong with opting for the 10 speed automatic, but personally, I would never buy an automatic Mustang. I feel like an auto transmission would take away from the driving experience of driving a sports/muscle car.
I think that 10speed auto is going to outperform a manual so badly. Yeah it's fun and engaging to shift but if you have just one car or drive in city traffic it just makes sense to get a super fast shifting auto. I don't knock autos at all because most newer autos out shift a manual. Now for me I have a manual Challenger this time around and I raced an 8speed charger and I out shifted it but to do it time and time again I doubt I could. Then there's times I'm just tired and wish I had an automatic.
I don't have a problem with a automatic transmission. But I have never owned a muscle car with one. I prefer a manual but if the automatic shifts like they say it will, I would consider it. My problem was always with V6 vs V8 for a mustang. Lol V8
I have a 15 gt track pkg manual. I have driven manuals for 25 years. However I will most likely be ordering an 18 with the 10 speed. the reviews on the Zl1 transmission have been stellar. I will wait for some professional reviews but if its as good as the zl1 im sold.
I'v ordered a 2018 GT Auto. Not likely to be delivered in Australia until this time next year. It will be a daily driver and who wants to drive a manual in stop start traffic - not me.
Agreed, until you get old and your left foot is shot. Now there is the new 10spd, looks like a Mustang is in my future because up until that news, I have stayed away since 2008.
I was trying to get myself to like the 2018 front end, but I just can't. I really wanted the 10 speed auto, I liked the 6 speed auto already on the car too although I only owned manuals. Ended up taking home a grabber blue 2017 GT with a 6 speed manual. The ecoboost is WAY better with the automatic though, I can see why 90% choose it, really keeps that little motor in its power band.
I think I'll get the EcoBoost with the automatic, and spend the savings on the Premium package. there's too much going on during city driving to fool with a manual tranny. Granted I'm using this for commuting and road trips too.
I have an automatic and love it I had a 13 mustang with the mt-82 and it had so many faults and aftermarket parts you had to add to make it enjoyable. I love being able to hop in my gt put it in d or s and not worry about it and in S mode it feels just as exhilarating as having a manual without the headache or added work. It's really to each his or her own how you spend your money on tour car is your choice like you said I don't care what you drive as long as your happy with it that's all that matters I mean you have to make your car payment not me so do what makes you happy
I used to be a diehard manual fan, but now that I've owned a few auto cars including my current GT I don't miss shifting. I the think the trash talks usually comes from young guys who's ego is boosted by having three pedals!
I hope they don't either. I think there are enough people right now that love manuals to keep them around for a while. But, the future of cars is electric....so there won't be any gears to shift at that point.
I'd consider getting a stick mustang once Ford does away with that MT82. I bought my 2016 car with the 6R80 and plan on trading up to a 10 speed v2 later on down the road.
Great video, good information thank you. I would go for the automatic simply because I've been driving manuals for the past 20 years. Manuals are fun as hell, but there always comes the day you need a new clutch.
I plan to get the GT, but it's not going to be a daily driver so I'll go for manual transmission. Are there tangible advantages to auto obviously (just spell google) it's just a fun experience albeit nostalgia
I have driven manuals since I was sixteen I'm 25 now my daily driver was a manual frs boosted so I made that into my "project car" something I'm not going to drive everyday my 2017 mustang gt is auto and I love more the the manual plus who doesn't love paddle shifter auto take out the human error in race plus half the people that comment probably drive Camry and cruizs lol
A manual was the way to go with the Mustangs back in the day of the fox body. The aod trans was just horrible. I remember back then anyone who had a fox body with an auto got abused. But now with the 6r80 and now this 10 speed auto coming out, it's a whole new world. With the technology and tuning available you can beat the auto. No way you can shift an mt82 or tr6060 faster than a tuned 6r80. With the paddle shifters available now I feel the manual isn't worth it.
I don't deny it. We all know manuals are losing popularity. There is a time and place for each. I say get one now before you don't have an option at all in the future. In a addition to that 50% is pretty darn good in this day and age so I think American manufacturers will be the last to stopping making stick shifts
16P51-GT I may be coming out of left field here being a Mopar guy. But I learned on a manual. But these new automatic s are amazing. I had an 08 r32 with the famous vw DSG dual clutch trans. I have a 17 charger rt with the 8spd trans and even though it's a torque converter style auto...a swear under WOT it shifts faster and firmer than the DSG did in my r32. ZF makes great transmissions. If that ford/chevy developed 10 spd shifts simular to the 8spd in my charger I don't think anyone will be disappointed. Hell my cousin drives a manual m3 and he's very critical of cars...he drove my charger and he kept ranting and raving about how quick and firm the 8spd trans was. Again....i know i know...i have a charger lol. But props to the mustang. I'm sure it will be very quick with the 10 spd. Later dude.
Not everyone wants to go through all the shifting and downshifting all the time. Still the same power and acceleration without all the work. It's about comfort
to answer your question bud, no autos will never get respect from auto trans. It's not a really a biased opinion either. the fact is, you will never have the fun factor of the manual in an auto nor the reliability. You won't have the connected feeling to the car either and the auto trans will always rob more horsepower over the manual. Sure, autos are great for drag racing but even then you can see two of the same cars at a strip running low times and the manual optioned car will have way more attention flock to it. It shows the amount of skill a driver has as well. If I was in the market for the new mustang and they didn't offer a manual option I'd buy one and sell the auto trans to someone after their's goes boom and then turn my attention towards tremec for the man pedal.
autos have really took off over the last few years , I think the reason you are seeing more of the younger generation with autos is simply because they don't know how to drive a stick .last gt I had was a 97 , back then that was the way to go just like the years before , now fast forward to where we are now , you use to be able to get a stick in pretty much anything , now that the tech and epa have come down hard with MPG standards that they want met I can all most bet that manuels with be phased out in favor for the auto. , my wifes srt8 challenger was a auto and it was a blast to drive , here 2015 charger is also a auto with paddles 8 speed and moves out dam quick. only time will tell I know if it was me getting a 18 auto I think I would wait for the bugs to be worked out first.
There is already a respect for the automatic even the 6r80 is a stout and proven transmission. The only people who still are dissing the automatics are people with a closed mind toward the auto, these people are operating on sheer emotional nostalgia for the manuals. Yeah they are fun but at the end of the day the auto with the paddles is fun too, just gotta grow up and realize not everyone likes what they like. There is choice now so deal with it people.
Not being a fan boy or trying to start any fires but the transmission itself in both the f150 and camaro is called a "10R80" R is what makes it a ford transmission as in the previous auto transmissions wether it be an 6"R"80 etc as for chevy they use an L in their names. This just tells me that for chevy to let ford put their name in a transmission for their high horsepowered ZL1 then makes me think ford did most of the work engineering and designing it. I also love the ZL1 this is not a hate comment just informative.
Is this a mustang thing or what? Chevy guys have preferred autos in a camaro or Vette for the longest. Its very rare to go the dragstrip and the fastest streetcar running is a manual. the way these new autos work is ridiculous. my goal is to take my 1993 blk /blk 5-speed LX-5.0 and swap it with a coyote and 6R80!
I would buy an automatic because I'm not trying to win any races. If you want to build a race car and take it to the track and think a manual is better then that's awesome. I want a sports car that looks good, sounds good and has some horsepower behind it.
Why is a 10 speed necessary? Both of my Mustangs are manual, but test drove a 2016 GT with an auto and liked the paddle shift option. I just don't see why one would need 10 gears.
For the price range increased of a fully loaded GT Premium, it’s better to go after a 17 Shelby as those are going at msrp or below. I am not a fan of automatics in Mustangs no matter how fast they are. At least GT350s are only in manual, hope they keep it that way.
I think you have 2 issues. One is faster shifting. The other is 10 speeds. Why 10? 10 speeds is not about performance. The best drag transmissions are 2 speed. Track cars don't need 10 speeds. I also think the 2018 computer control module will be difficult, especially if the New Mustang has the dread "start/stop" feature. Accept the Federal Government is driving all transportation innovation. That's why the nose dropped, ie pedestrian safety. That's why the 2020 will be a hybrid Mustang. My feeling is the 2017 is the last New/ Old school Mustang.
The manual makes me one with the car. In addition to the 2015 Mustang with the manual I also have a 2011 Miata with an automatic. After test driving the Miata I thought I would be "OK" with the automatic... I AM NOT. The truth is, I had rather drive a 1982 Toyota Tercel with a manual than a 2018 Mustang with an automatic.
But if anyone uses a calculator then you are relying on the computer to tell you the answer to a problem😂 manuals are like doing a workout. I like to cruise when I drive not workout💀 automatic all day over here🤙🏿🤙🏿
Lolz....kinda a moot point to bring up a Bugatti in a Mustang conversation. sir, that's a DSG transmission. It's arguably not even an automatic as it has two driveshafts with odd gear sets. The Mustang auto is...well, just a regular automatic transmission. However, if Mustangs had a dual clutch tranny, I'd make the "auto" switch any day.
Keeping in the rpms going through turns in a manual seem to help vs a auto which will drop to lower rpms through turns sense you cant control what gear your in.
I like how you say you don't care what people think and then ask for people's opinion... ummmmm... also, your header says "Automatics are the future!" Automatics have been around for decades, as I'm sure you must be familiar with that. I am SURE more cars coming out will have more and more automatic transmissions however, I can't believe the manual will die out any time soon. It used to NOT be the case where an auto could beat a manual but the technology is advancing so much now a quality auto will shift faster, and smoother, than the most competent shifter can. Used to be a 4 banger couldn't beat an 8 cylinder but times are changin. I prefer a manual even with my bum leg. For me it's part of the driving experience. My daughter has an auto and jumps at the chance to roll through the gears in my Mustang. You're in charge of the gears. You're in charge of making the thing go. You become part of the machine. An automatic is sterile. There's no "feedback"... no "soul" to the car. It becomes a tool of transportation and that's it. You become "brain dead" when you get in, start it up, and push the gas or the brake... get to your destination and get out. In a manual you're one with the car... a symbiotic relationship with the vehicle. You have to "do things", think about it, make decisions. I'd rather be a part of the car than just sit in it. That's my rant. Flame away.
No flaming. But, what I said was that I don't care what people think of me owning an automatic. I always get hate but without any valid reason. So, yeah I'm interested in understanding why someone else would care about a car that they will never drive. If there's a valid reason, I'd love to hear it. And of course auto's have been around for a long time. My point is that the future of cars is shifting to auto's due to generational differences. The younger people entering the market place prefer auto's. That trend will continue. I mean Tesla has auto pilot already. So, while some people will always love manuals, the trend is shifting toward autos. And I understand how you feel about driving a manual. I know how to drive manual. But, thinking that driving an auto is any less fun for everyone else is a bit presumptuous. That's your opinion, it's not the opinion of everyone else.
Automatic or Manual - Most importantly you drive a Mustang. I got a Manual because I did not like the auto transmission, but lets settle its personal preference
Lol. Don't compare Automatics with dual clutch transmissions found in supercars, two completely different things. If that were the case, I'd pick a mustang with a dual clutch transmission over stick.
I think you missed the point I was making. I wasn't talking about the different types of automatic transmissions. Besides, most of the die hard manual owners don't care about the dual clutch transmission. They want their stick shifts.
Haha 😂 50% can't drive a manual transmission that's why lol I had a automatic transmission 2015 mustang and once I made the switch to a manual transmission it's a whole different car. u feel more connected to the car due to you manually shifting . Automatic transmission will always be faster due to the reason that their is less user error and everything is done for u via the vehicles ecu...
A lot of people choose an automatic due to the fact that they live in busy cities with a lot of stop and go traffic. So, it's not always about them not knowing how to drive a manual.
16P51-GT I feel like that's just an excuse lol I drive in Silicon Valley and trust me there is traffic over here ... to each is own but those are my two cents
Well I like to view my manual 2011 as millennial theft deterrent. Non of my friends who are my age know how to drive a manual and thus can never borrow or drive my car. I am bias, my parents are boomers and driving a manual was a family requirement when you got your license. I would like to test a 10 speed but I figure it's pointless cuz I cannot afford one at this point and trading in my pony is out of the question.
So outta the 50% how many actually know how to drive a manual? Lets be honest this generation doesn't grow up driving a manual they grow up driving automatics, I think those numbers are a little misleading.
The numbers aren't misleading. It's what is happening. Whether they know how to drive a stick or not is irrelevant because companies don't create the trends, they react to them. So, with more and more people preferring an auto (whether or not they know how to drive manual) companies are forced to meet the needs (i.e. focus on improving the automatics and marketing them more). But really, with electric cars being the future, it's not going to even be a debate in a few decades.
16P51-GT I understand what ur saying, I'm 26 so I came from a generation where manual was the thing. I'm not a die hard manual driver but todays youth and drivers wanna mutilple task and drive you can't do that with a manual. The reason autos r trending is bcuz most pple today dont know how to drive a manual. And noone wants to take the time to teach.
Ford had a lack team work between the Ford dealerships and Ford to fix issues that arise while the car is under the warranty...Its a nightmare and if the dealers diagnostic equipment cannot find the problem i.e. exhaust leaks or any other intermediate issue that will eventually lead to a major issue....they will tell you to your face "There is nothing wrong with your car and that sound your hear is the way it's suppose to sound" and Ford corporate customer service is useless. Ford has failed its customer..........
Every car company has this story, I've been buying Mustang's since 1984, back then the 5spd's were made out of glass they broke so easily. In 1985 the GT had a 7.5" rear, complete crap. Ever since then the 8.8 had been in use and it was a ton better, the 5spd was still crap until 2005 and ever since they have been much better. The current car is a better car in every single way and be glad they no longer have the 12/12,000 mile warranty, those were the dark days of car ownership. Now Ford gives you a line-lock for shit sakes. You need to get better at holding the dealer accountable for their work, if they give you weaksauce this is how it is, you take it to the next level, bending over does nothing.
The tech has finally advanced to the point that automatics can shift faster and more efficiently than an experienced driver with a manual. Ford even admitted the automatic is faster. I've been waiting for this 10-speed to make it into a sports car. Knew it would be amazing.
I am a Vietnam Vet and have a bad left leg. Automatic for me. I am getting the 2018 GT. Can not wait.
Awesome! Let me know how you like it when you get it!
I love my automatic 2016 Mustang GT. I am going to use that line. "Why are you hating on me for owning a car you will never drive".
LOL! Seriously though, I don't understand why people care.
I have a 2016 EcoBoost automatic and I love it. It's fast and it gets me to where I need to go in style.
my 2015 is automatic and i love it! you get what you like not what everybody else gets. its more convient for me than a standard i run in mexico and beat standard cars all the time. and yes its modded thats what you do to a mustang have fun with it!!!
I prefer a manual as, to me, it's part of the driving experience rowing through the gears. It just adds to it. I don't care if someone else likes an automatic Mustang. It could be that they have physical issues that keep them from driving a manual, or it could be that their daily commutes involve them in a lot of stop and go traffic, where a manual becomes tedious. The only way it affects me, is that if I was looking at buying a Mustang and saw it was an automatic, I would no longer be interested in that vehicle.
Automatic transmissions have come a long way, and have their place. Just not in my garage at this point.
People need to drive what they like. Stop trying to justify their decision by ridiculing people that choose differently. I think for some stick drivers, it's a safety blanket. And for some automatics, it's because they don't know how to drive manual.
I'm a tech geek. I wanted remote start. I wanted paddle shifters.
But I also have a V6 so I get that grief too. Except with the in person Mustang crew I drive with. Very few 6s. Plenty of turbos and tons of 5.0s. No trash talk. We all just enjoy our rides however we choose to make them.
I drive a 2013 mustang gtcs manual and I want to get a 2018 mustang gt 10 speed auto. My dad once told me that no one can shift faster then an automatic, I finally believe him ,thanks to the new 10 speed auto.
I have an automatic 2015. There are times I wish I had a manual just for the fun of it, but most of the time am very happy with the auto. When I punch that sucker its already shifted before my brain would tell me to do it.
I've got a manual transmission in my 5.0 because I find the experience of 3 pedals more engaging o drive. That said, I totally see the point of the automatic. From a pure acceleration standpoint, auto is just flat out faster. A fast shifting state of the art 10 speed from Ford/GM is compelling. If I was in the market again,, I'd totally test drive both transmissions and get a taste of the 10 speed. It's 2017 and the game is changing; I'm just old fashioned.
Nothing wrong with liking what you like. But, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts if you test drive the 10 speed!
If you complain about someone else owning an auto or a manual and it doesn't affect you then you are not a true car enthusiast. Appreciate all builds and all all transmissions even if you don't agree with them sometimes.
Well said.
I'll take an automatic transmission for certain cars but FOR ME, I've had so much more fun driving a manual GT than I've had with any other car. It shifts like butter from the factory, put some money in aftermarket mods and you've got a hell of a car. Rev matching, heel toe shifting and controlling the car at your will is too much fun. Great videos!! Love both the autos and the manuals just different preferences for everyone. Cheers!
Yes, it comes down to personal preference.
I'm a purist, I love my manuals. All three of my Mustang GTs were and are manual. When I was rolling
imports (GTI and STi) they were manual. When I get my C7 Z06, I want the manual. I don't hate on the autos. The technology for automatics has made great leaps. Too bad the same hasn't hasn't happened for the manual transmission. The auto reflects the current era, and I get that. To each his own. I just hope that the manual still has a place in the future. The artistry of shifting, heel and toe, and rev matching, that's what its about for me. I appreciate the improvements of the new automatics, its amazing. I do remember when the manual was king though. Manual transmission for me still, its the art of driving at it's core. Keep up the great work on your videos.
I can appreciate the performance gains from newer automatic transmissions. But I like to drive my car.
Nothing wrong with that!
I have a manual 2015 Mustang GT. I love it. I have nothing against auto's. Especially a 10 speed. I would NOT want to shift my manual 10 times though lol. I'm an older guy and don't really race anymore. I just enjoy driving a manual way over an auto. I've been driving manuals since 1962 when I got my driver's license but have driven auto's since then as well. I have no doubt the manual will eventually disappear but it will be a sorry day to the auto industry. I hope I'm not around. They ARE more fun to drive IMHO of course. Have fun with your auto. I enjoyed your video. Didn't know the 10 speed was worked on by both manufacturer's....Interesting.
Honestly, the future is electric. Ford has already announced the Hybrid Mustang coming in 2020. So, I don't think it's going to be long until there is an all electric Mustang. Blasphemy, I know! But it's going to happen...
I am the manual guy but I would never tell you your auto car sucks....my left knee is shit now from driving a manual so many years...that 10 speed is a big yes to me and I love shifting my own gears
Oh man you’re going to get it in the comments on this one 🥃
LOL! I welcome it.
i'm one of the die-hard manual fans for sure, but before i bought my 2015 gt, i test drove a 2016 gt with an automatic, and it was an amazing experience for sure! definitely a luxury item compared to the manual, to be able to get-up-and-go just by flooring it. exciting in a different kind of way - although my preference is the more involved driving experience.
Props to you for at least test driving the auto!
The automatic is the faster vehicle. That's what counts on the streets. That cannot be denied. I own a manual but 9/10 I'm gonna lose against a similarly equipped automatic car. Those are the facts.
I went from a manual car to an automatic GT. I did my research and the 6R80's 1st gr is 4.10, even though it's a 3.15. If I just do a Torque converter I will definitely beat a manual every time with the same power. It did take a tune to help the shifting points.
I'm still in the wantabe stage. I was hoping to buy my first Mustang this year but life simply got in the way so now I'm aiming for the first part of next year if things work out. I have always thought that the manual was the only way to go but I took a trip to visit family and friend back in March and rented a Mustang convertible. It was an automatic V6 and you know, I really enjoyed it. I've also read some things about the new 10 speed that makes me curious about it so now I'm starting to come off the "manual or nothing" mindset. At this point, I definitely want to test drive both. Then I'll be better able to make a decision.
I have an eight speed auto on my 2016 Genesis Coupe and I love it!! I still have the option of manually shifting with the paddle shifters or the stick. Albeit with an auto clutch.
90% of ecoboost drivers get autos!!! Damn now I feel special
LOL!
When I watched videos of the 10 speed automatic in the Camaro ZL1, I was impressed. The videos I watched were of stock ZL1 Camaros and the gears were pretty close and they shifted very quick. I would love to see a GT500 with the 10 speed.
I live right outside of Dallas Tx and own an automatic 2015 mustang, I'm telling you I would hate to drive a manual in the Dallas traffic so I let the automatic transmission do the work for me while I still have a muscle car at the same time
I've had both(manual and auto) always enjoyed the manual for the control and connection and of course the idea that replacing a clutch was way cheaper than rebuilding an auto. But you get no hate from me brother. I'd be glad to drive either and am excited to see Ford progressing in general. Thanks for always having straight up honest videos 👍🏻
Thanks for watching man!
I don't mind automatics I just like the old school feeling of being more in control and connected with the car
I have a automatic 2017 and I kinda wish it was 10 speed, 7 or 8 would be fine too. Just on the highway doing like 70 in 6th gear is still alittle high in the RPMs for me with my exhaust. But I'll deal with it cause I love the sound the rest of the time
It's not about performance for a lot of people; it's about the driving experience and connectedness you get rowing your own gears. I just wish Ford would've put the 6060 in the S550, instead of the Gertrash
I just love manuals because it is the last thing we as drivers that connect us to the road. Modern cars have become so watered down and dampened they are starting to feel artificial. That is a trend that I don't like. We are being disconnected from the driving experience. Now days people don't even want to drive, they just want to get from point A to point B, forget about enjoying the drive in between.
I'm a learner driver and may not ever own a Mustang but this is my say: The first time I drove a car, it was my Sister's AU Ford Falcon, which is an automatic car and I found it boring as hell to drive, despite being quite a powerful car for a learner driver. The second car I drove was a Mazda 323 Astina with a 5-speed manual transmission and I found it extremely fun to drive despite having a fairly weak engine.
I personally hate driving automatic cars and think they're boring to drive but I'm not going to shame someone for owning one. Like 16P51 says in the video, it's a personal preference and nothing more
The reason more people are going to the automatic is because as time goes by less people learn how to drive manual.
It all depends on what you want the car for as well.
If you will be commuting in heavy traffic or want it for drag racing then obviously you should go for the auto.
However, there are people like me that will stick with manual 100% even if we lose a race to someone with an auto. To me, it's about the driving experience and not really about numbers. Manual is a LOT more fun. Downshifting/healtoeing ...this is just cool to me. Of course we still want it to be quick and want more HP but to me I rather practice on improving my shifting than just have a computer done for me.
I've driven a new ZL1 with the auto and it is great so I'm sure it will be similar but I prefer the manual.
I currently own a 15GT 6spd track package.
Definitely nothing wrong with opting for the 10 speed automatic, but personally, I would never buy an automatic Mustang. I feel like an auto transmission would take away from the driving experience of driving a sports/muscle car.
I think that 10speed auto is going to outperform a manual so badly. Yeah it's fun and engaging to shift but if you have just one car or drive in city traffic it just makes sense to get a super fast shifting auto. I don't knock autos at all because most newer autos out shift a manual. Now for me I have a manual Challenger this time around and I raced an 8speed charger and I out shifted it but to do it time and time again I doubt I could. Then there's times I'm just tired and wish I had an automatic.
I don't have a problem with a automatic transmission. But I have never owned a muscle car with one. I prefer a manual but if the automatic shifts like they say it will, I would consider it. My problem was always with V6 vs V8 for a mustang. Lol V8
I have a 15 gt track pkg manual. I have driven manuals for 25 years. However I will most likely be ordering an 18 with the 10 speed. the reviews on the Zl1 transmission have been stellar. I will wait for some professional reviews but if its as good as the zl1 im sold.
Automatics surpassed the manuals in every category, even in fuel economy.
I'v ordered a 2018 GT Auto. Not likely to be delivered in Australia until this time next year. It will be a daily driver and who wants to drive a manual in stop start traffic - not me.
Manuel for life! Real drivers know.
Agreed, until you get old and your left foot is shot. Now there is the new 10spd, looks like a Mustang is in my future because up until that news, I have stayed away since 2008.
Auto all day from a young mustang driver
Ill sell my 2016 pp comp orange in a heart beat to get that 10 speed .
I like stick but let's see what the 10 speed is all about
I was trying to get myself to like the 2018 front end, but I just can't. I really wanted the 10 speed auto, I liked the 6 speed auto already on the car too although I only owned manuals. Ended up taking home a grabber blue 2017 GT with a 6 speed manual. The ecoboost is WAY better with the automatic though, I can see why 90% choose it, really keeps that little motor in its power band.
Automatic is way more convenient for a daily driver. Oh, it's faster too.
I think I'll get the EcoBoost with the automatic, and spend the savings on the Premium package. there's too much going on during city driving to fool with a manual tranny. Granted I'm using this for commuting and road trips too.
I have an automatic and love it I had a 13 mustang with the mt-82 and it had so many faults and aftermarket parts you had to add to make it enjoyable. I love being able to hop in my gt put it in d or s and not worry about it and in S mode it feels just as exhilarating as having a manual without the headache or added work. It's really to each his or her own how you spend your money on tour car is your choice like you said I don't care what you drive as long as your happy with it that's all that matters I mean you have to make your car payment not me so do what makes you happy
Yes sir!
I used to be a diehard manual fan, but now that I've owned a few auto cars including my current GT I don't miss shifting. I the think the trash talks usually comes from young guys who's ego is boosted by having three pedals!
I drive manual. Hope it doesn't go extinct.
I hope they don't either. I think there are enough people right now that love manuals to keep them around for a while. But, the future of cars is electric....so there won't be any gears to shift at that point.
I love the new 2018 Ford mustang gt with the new 10 speed automatic
I'd consider getting a stick mustang once Ford does away with that MT82. I bought my 2016 car with the 6R80 and plan on trading up to a 10 speed v2 later on down the road.
Would really love a dual clutch mustang but that won't happen. And even if it does, it won't be for a very long time.
I have a auto, I have driven truck for over 7 years in heavy traffic ,, I have use a clutch enough. Also auto's are faster
yea if you want to go fast in the 1/4 and not worry about the mt82 you buy an automatic.
A lot of people just don't know how to drive a manual.
Great video, good information thank you. I would go for the automatic simply because I've been driving manuals for the past 20 years. Manuals are fun as hell, but there always comes the day you need a new clutch.
I feel the same way bud, all the way
I plan to get the GT, but it's not going to be a daily driver so I'll go for manual transmission. Are there tangible advantages to auto obviously (just spell google) it's just a fun experience albeit nostalgia
There is no denying the appeal of manuals. People should make their decisions based on what best suits their needs.
I just sold my 2017 Mustang GT and got a 2018 Camry SE and it's automatic just like my Mustang was!!!! Automatic cars are way better!
Paddle shifters let you shift the automatic yourself and no bothersome clutch. The best of both worlds.
I have driven manuals since I was sixteen I'm 25 now my daily driver was a manual frs boosted so I made that into my "project car" something I'm not going to drive everyday my 2017 mustang gt is auto and I love more the the manual plus who doesn't love paddle shifter auto take out the human error in race plus half the people that comment probably drive Camry and cruizs lol
A manual was the way to go with the Mustangs back in the day of the fox body. The aod trans was just horrible. I remember back then anyone who had a fox body with an auto got abused. But now with the 6r80 and now this 10 speed auto coming out, it's a whole new world. With the technology and tuning available you can beat the auto. No way you can shift an mt82 or tr6060 faster than a tuned 6r80. With the paddle shifters available now I feel the manual isn't worth it.
Automatic 2017 v6 ...... i love it
I don't deny it. We all know manuals are losing popularity. There is a time and place for each. I say get one now before you don't have an option at all in the future. In a addition to that 50% is pretty darn good in this day and age so I think American manufacturers will be the last to stopping making stick shifts
Agreed!
16P51-GT I may be coming out of left field here being a Mopar guy. But I learned on a manual. But these new automatic s are amazing. I had an 08 r32 with the famous vw DSG dual clutch trans. I have a 17 charger rt with the 8spd trans and even though it's a torque converter style auto...a swear under WOT it shifts faster and firmer than the DSG did in my r32. ZF makes great transmissions. If that ford/chevy developed 10 spd shifts simular to the 8spd in my charger I don't think anyone will be disappointed. Hell my cousin drives a manual m3 and he's very critical of cars...he drove my charger and he kept ranting and raving about how quick and firm the 8spd trans was. Again....i know i know...i have a charger lol. But props to the mustang. I'm sure it will be very quick with the 10 spd. Later dude.
Not everyone wants to go through all the shifting and downshifting all the time. Still the same power and acceleration without all the work. It's about comfort
to answer your question bud, no autos will never get respect from auto trans. It's not a really a biased opinion either. the fact is, you will never have the fun factor of the manual in an auto nor the reliability. You won't have the connected feeling to the car either and the auto trans will always rob more horsepower over the manual. Sure, autos are great for drag racing but even then you can see two of the same cars at a strip running low times and the manual optioned car will have way more attention flock to it. It shows the amount of skill a driver has as well. If I was in the market for the new mustang and they didn't offer a manual option I'd buy one and sell the auto trans to someone after their's goes boom and then turn my attention towards tremec for the man pedal.
autos have really took off over the last few years , I think the reason you are seeing more of the younger generation with autos is simply because they don't know how to drive a stick .last gt I had was a 97 , back then that was the way to go just like the years before , now fast forward to where we are now , you use to be able to get a stick in pretty much anything , now that the tech and epa have come down hard with MPG standards that they want met I can all most bet that manuels with be phased out in favor for the auto. , my wifes srt8 challenger was a auto and it was a blast to drive , here 2015 charger is also a auto with paddles 8 speed and moves out dam quick. only time will tell I know if it was me getting a 18 auto I think I would wait for the bugs to be worked out first.
There is already a respect for the automatic even the 6r80 is a stout and proven transmission. The only people who still are dissing the automatics are people with a closed mind toward the auto, these people are operating on sheer emotional nostalgia for the manuals. Yeah they are fun but at the end of the day the auto with the paddles is fun too, just gotta grow up and realize not everyone likes what they like. There is choice now so deal with it people.
The manual transmission is becoming more rare. Fewer people are learning to drive with a stick shift.
If one expects to have the best experience they should buy manual and learn to drive.
Not being a fan boy or trying to start any fires but the transmission itself in both the f150 and camaro is called a "10R80" R is what makes it a ford transmission as in the previous auto transmissions wether it be an 6"R"80 etc as for chevy they use an L in their names. This just tells me that for chevy to let ford put their name in a transmission for their high horsepowered ZL1 then makes me think ford did most of the work engineering and designing it. I also love the ZL1 this is not a hate comment just informative.
Is this a mustang thing or what? Chevy guys have preferred autos in a camaro or Vette for the longest. Its very rare to go the dragstrip and the fastest streetcar running is a manual. the way these new autos work is ridiculous. my goal is to take my 1993 blk /blk 5-speed LX-5.0 and swap it with a coyote and 6R80!
The Dodge Demon and several exotic cars including Ferrari only come with an automatic.
What a shame!
I would buy an automatic because I'm not trying to win any races. If you want to build a race car and take it to the track and think a manual is better then that's awesome. I want a sports car that looks good, sounds good and has some horsepower behind it.
LOL that's the thing about trends here today gone tomorrow. It comes down to what's popular tomorrow and that's a wait and see thing.
Why is a 10 speed necessary? Both of my Mustangs are manual, but test drove a 2016 GT with an auto and liked the paddle shift option. I just don't see why one would need 10 gears.
How about you go read about why they came up with the 10 Speed
Great video....I love Chevy but ford and Chevy had to join forces to compete with Dodge....amazing....lol.
For the price range increased of a fully loaded GT Premium, it’s better to go after a 17 Shelby as those are going at msrp or below. I am not a fan of automatics in Mustangs no matter how fast they are. At least GT350s are only in manual, hope they keep it that way.
I think you have 2 issues. One is faster shifting. The other is 10 speeds. Why 10? 10 speeds is not about performance. The best drag transmissions are 2 speed. Track cars don't need 10 speeds. I also think the 2018 computer control module will be difficult,
especially if the New Mustang has the dread "start/stop" feature.
Accept the Federal Government is driving all transportation innovation. That's why the nose dropped, ie pedestrian safety. That's why the 2020 will be a hybrid Mustang. My feeling is the 2017 is the last New/ Old school Mustang.
The manual makes me one with the car. In addition to the 2015 Mustang with the manual I also have a 2011 Miata with an automatic. After test driving the Miata I thought I would be "OK" with the automatic... I AM NOT.
The truth is, I had rather drive a 1982 Toyota Tercel with a manual than a 2018 Mustang with an automatic.
Yeah I don't get an auto mustang but I'm not gonna beat you up about it
And I can respect that.
But if anyone uses a calculator then you are relying on the computer to tell you the answer to a problem😂 manuals are like doing a workout. I like to cruise when I drive not workout💀 automatic all day over here🤙🏿🤙🏿
#SAVETHESTICK
LOL!
Some people are so ignorant you can't tell them anything i will buy an 10 speed 18 GT and whip ass everyday
Lolz....kinda a moot point to bring up a Bugatti in a Mustang conversation. sir, that's a DSG transmission. It's arguably not even an automatic as it has two driveshafts with odd gear sets. The Mustang auto is...well, just a regular automatic transmission. However, if Mustangs had a dual clutch tranny, I'd make the "auto" switch any day.
Auto = no human error lol and if you have a super charged stang it's game over. I own a 16 GT auto and I've beaten a few manuals.
Keeping in the rpms going through turns in a manual seem to help vs a auto which will drop to lower rpms through turns sense you cant control what gear your in.
You can control it with paddle shifters.
I like how you say you don't care what people think and then ask for people's opinion... ummmmm... also, your header says "Automatics are the future!" Automatics have been around for decades, as I'm sure you must be familiar with that. I am SURE more cars coming out will have more and more automatic transmissions however, I can't believe the manual will die out any time soon. It used to NOT be the case where an auto could beat a manual but the technology is advancing so much now a quality auto will shift faster, and smoother, than the most competent shifter can. Used to be a 4 banger couldn't beat an 8 cylinder but times are changin. I prefer a manual even with my bum leg. For me it's part of the driving experience. My daughter has an auto and jumps at the chance to roll through the gears in my Mustang. You're in charge of the gears. You're in charge of making the thing go. You become part of the machine. An automatic is sterile. There's no "feedback"... no "soul" to the car. It becomes a tool of transportation and that's it. You become "brain dead" when you get in, start it up, and push the gas or the brake... get to your destination and get out. In a manual you're one with the car... a symbiotic relationship with the vehicle. You have to "do things", think about it, make decisions. I'd rather be a part of the car than just sit in it. That's my rant. Flame away.
No flaming. But, what I said was that I don't care what people think of me owning an automatic. I always get hate but without any valid reason. So, yeah I'm interested in understanding why someone else would care about a car that they will never drive. If there's a valid reason, I'd love to hear it. And of course auto's have been around for a long time. My point is that the future of cars is shifting to auto's due to generational differences. The younger people entering the market place prefer auto's. That trend will continue. I mean Tesla has auto pilot already. So, while some people will always love manuals, the trend is shifting toward autos. And I understand how you feel about driving a manual. I know how to drive manual. But, thinking that driving an auto is any less fun for everyone else is a bit presumptuous. That's your opinion, it's not the opinion of everyone else.
Automatic or Manual - Most importantly you drive a Mustang. I got a Manual because I did not like the auto transmission, but lets settle its personal preference
No way! Manual, beside I have already learn how to heel and toe, with automatic is just a push on a button on the steering wheel.
Lol. Don't compare Automatics with dual clutch transmissions found in supercars, two completely different things. If that were the case, I'd pick a mustang with a dual clutch transmission over stick.
I think you missed the point I was making. I wasn't talking about the different types of automatic transmissions. Besides, most of the die hard manual owners don't care about the dual clutch transmission. They want their stick shifts.
Haha 😂 50% can't drive a manual transmission that's why lol I had a automatic transmission 2015 mustang and once I made the switch to a manual transmission it's a whole different car. u feel more connected to the car due to you manually shifting . Automatic transmission will always be faster due to the reason that their is less user error and everything is done for u via the vehicles ecu...
I tell you what go race a 18 GT 10 Speed
A lot of people choose an automatic due to the fact that they live in busy cities with a lot of stop and go traffic. So, it's not always about them not knowing how to drive a manual.
LOL!
16P51-GT I feel like that's just an excuse lol I drive in Silicon Valley and trust me there is traffic over here ... to each is own but those are my two cents
2017 GT for me. And loving it. Kinda wish the Dodge Viper came in an automatic.
Same could be said, actually, for electric power plants. Eventually, we'll all be driving electric cars with automatics.
Well I like to view my manual 2011 as millennial theft deterrent. Non of my friends who are my age know how to drive a manual and thus can never borrow or drive my car. I am bias, my parents are boomers and driving a manual was a family requirement when you got your license. I would like to test a 10 speed but I figure it's pointless cuz I cannot afford one at this point and trading in my pony is out of the question.
mustangs should always be driven manual
So outta the 50% how many actually know how to drive a manual? Lets be honest this generation doesn't grow up driving a manual they grow up driving automatics, I think those numbers are a little misleading.
LOL damn you sound like an old ass moron
The numbers aren't misleading. It's what is happening. Whether they know how to drive a stick or not is irrelevant because companies don't create the trends, they react to them. So, with more and more people preferring an auto (whether or not they know how to drive manual) companies are forced to meet the needs (i.e. focus on improving the automatics and marketing them more). But really, with electric cars being the future, it's not going to even be a debate in a few decades.
16P51-GT I understand what ur saying, I'm 26 so I came from a generation where manual was the thing. I'm not a die hard manual driver but todays youth and drivers wanna mutilple task and drive you can't do that with a manual. The reason autos r trending is bcuz most pple today dont know how to drive a manual. And noone wants to take the time to teach.
Yeah, kinda hard to text and drive while shifting. LOL!
don't shoot the messenger 🤣😂😇😂😇💯
Ford had a lack team work between the
Ford dealerships and Ford to fix issues that arise while the car is
under the warranty...Its a nightmare and if the dealers diagnostic
equipment cannot find the problem i.e. exhaust leaks or any other
intermediate issue that will eventually lead to a major issue....they
will tell you to your face "There is nothing wrong with your car and
that sound your hear is the way it's suppose to sound" and Ford
corporate customer service is useless. Ford has failed its
customer..........
Every car company has this story, I've been buying Mustang's since 1984, back then the 5spd's were made out of glass they broke so easily. In 1985 the GT had a 7.5" rear, complete crap. Ever since then the 8.8 had been in use and it was a ton better, the 5spd was still crap until 2005 and ever since they have been much better. The current car is a better car in every single way and be glad they no longer have the 12/12,000 mile warranty, those were the dark days of car ownership. Now Ford gives you a line-lock for shit sakes. You need to get better at holding the dealer accountable for their work, if they give you weaksauce this is how it is, you take it to the next level, bending over does nothing.
Die hard manuals driver only on sports car
aint no way
The tech has finally advanced to the point that automatics can shift faster and more efficiently than an experienced driver with a manual. Ford even admitted the automatic is faster. I've been waiting for this 10-speed to make it into a sports car. Knew it would be amazing.
I have a manual and sometimes wish it was auto. But wouldn't change a thing. Its a Mustang not a Corvette ;)