The Angry Young Man Trope, Explained
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Get a full month of MUBI FOR FREE: mubi.com/thetake (With the support of Creative Europe - MEDIA Programme of the European Union) | Who gets to be angry? The “angry young man” trope came onto the scene as a working class anti-hero but has recently morphed into a social villain. In the 50s to the 70s, British angry young men like Look Back in Anger's Jimmy Porter (Richard Burton), Saturday Night and Sunday Morning's Arthur Seaton (Albert Finney) and Clockwork Orange's Alex (Malcolm McDowell) challenged the upper-class focus of cinema. Over the years iconic angry young men around the globe played by Robert De Niro, Amitabh Bachchan, Spike Lee, Edward Norton and more became voices of disruptive political protest -- some listened to and validated more than others. Recently, the figure has evolved into a controversial villain, as seen in Joker (Joaquin Phoenix) and Star Wars’s Kylo Ren (Adam Driver). More women and people of color are finally seeing their anger expressed onscreen and received with legitimacy, notable examples including Black Panther's Erik Killmonger (Michael B. Jordan) and Dear White People's Reggie (Marque Richardson). Here’s our Take on the Angry Young Men (and increasingly Women) of film and TV, and the politics of anger as protest. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: / thetake
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A Clockwork Orange (1971)
American History X (1998)
The Amos 'n Andy Show (1951-1953)
Bad Girls Club (2006-2017)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Black Caesar (1973)
Black Panther (2018)
Black-ish (2014-)
Brief Encounter (1945)
Clockers (1995)
Dear White People (2017-)
Deewaar (1975)
Do the Right Thing (1989)
Erin Brockovich (2000)
Fight Club (1999)
Fish Tank (2009)
Friday Night Lights (2006-2011)
Fruitvale Station (2013)
No Time To Die (2020)
Game of Thrones (2011-2019)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
If.... (1968)
In the Heat of the Night (1967)
Joker (2019)
Kaalia (1981)
Key & Peele (2012-2015)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
La Haine (1995)
Look Back in Anger (1959)
Lucky Jim (1957)
Diary of a Mad Black Woman (2005)
Mandingo (1975)
Mississippi Burning (1988)
Morgan: A Suitable Case For Treatment (1966)
Nil By Mouth (1997)
Oliver Twist (1948)
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019)
Passport to Pimlico (1949)
Raging Bull (1980)
Sanford and Son (1972-1977)
Saturday Night and Sunday Morning (1960)
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
Straight Outta Compton (2015)
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (1971)
Taxi Driver (1976)
The Avengers (2012)
The Birth of a Nation (1915)
The Celebrity Apprentice (2008-2017)
The Hate U Give (2018)
The King of Comedy (1982)
The Littlest Rebel (1935)
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner (1962)
The Private Life of Henry VIII (1933)
Thelma & Louise (1991)
This Is England (2006)
This Sporting Life (1963)
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
Wasp (2003)
Within Our Gates (1920)
Zanjeer (1973)
Ozark (2017-)
New Girl (2011-2018)
J.D. from "Heathers" is the quintessential deconstruction of the "Angry Young Man". He initially comes across as a badass when he threatens the jocks, with a sympathetic back story. However, Veronica discovers just HOW unhinged and psychotic he really is, and his tragic past doesn't excuse his bloodthirsty actions. 💣☠️
Gosh, I love that movie
the sad part is there are people that romanticize the musical and miss the point
Yeah, I'm surprised he isn't in this video.
I agree, there's so much hidden nuance in Heathers people seem to forget about sometimes. I remember reading at one point how each of the main characters represents a different ideology of power, and how too much given on either end leads to destruction.
On the one hand, you feel sorry for him, and on the other hand, you want him to be punished.
Don’t forget how Zuko reclaimed his honor
It's less that Zuko reclaimed his honour and more that he learned his father's concept of honour (among other things) is unhealthy and destructive.
@@Kagomai15 THIS.
Yeah I agree. He didn’t agree with the ways of the fire nation and only used his anger constructively later on. Like when his new source of firebending became his passion for helping the Avatar and bringing balance to the world.
Honor!!
@@Kagomai15 he did reclaim HIS honour though, he unlearned the warped teachings from his father and through Iroh realised true honour
I'd love to see the "Fat Girl" Trope next. I'm a skinny bitch but the stereotypical portrayals of plus size women have always irked me, especially how women of different body shapes are pit against each other.
Isn't it usually women that pit themselves against other women?
Phoenix Funny yes
@@phoenixfunny4517 It's usually because of the idea of beauty standards which came from society. Not women. Women aren't born comparing themselves with the beauty standards. They learn it.
Yes, this! How she's always goofy, but not in a lovable way like the skinny girl. How she's obsessed with food to the point where you can wave a French fry in her face and distract her. How she's "unattractive" and none of the male characters want her, except maybe the weirdest one. How she's jealous of the other girl characters who are skinny, because they're "pretty". How she's not even sexualized at all, so while the skinny characters are having relationships and flirting, she's just there to be a friend and support their adventures. How her weight is the constant subject, and often the punchline. It's so tired. All of us know fat girls and women, and they are nothing like this trope, and it's weird.
She said im a skinny bitch 💀💀💀
Someone once told me, "women aren't allowed to be angry" and it has stuck with me for years. Looking at what is happening all around me, I can now more fully understand mine and others' feelings of powerlessness. I say to people, what IS the correct way to express these feelings? Is there any way we can be actually heard and understood, instead of talked over, ignored, and dismissed?
Do you live in a third world country or a muslim country?
It sounds like you're asking for permission to be angry. You don't require permission to feel anger, or any emotion really. If someone automatically dismisses your feelings as invalid, that's on them, not you. As to your broader question (what's the "correct" way to express anger), there's no one-size-fits-all solution. There are different types of anger, and some are more justified than others. There's a difference in scale between being angry at someone cutting you off in traffic, versus someone murdering your best friend. One is annoying in the moment but it's transitory -- the other can scar you for life. There are as many ways to be angry as there are reasons for anger, so there's no single "correct" way to express it.
@@erickhouston6526 what???
It is not who is angry that justifies anger it is the reason. Because the anger of the sane is productive and justified.
The world has already been feminized.
You can take that anger and walk out the door.
Even men learn how to control their anger and use their thinking brain instead.
Meanwhile, if a woman is angry she's either lost a child, has a shitty husband or been sexually assaulted. Because writers apparently can't think of other reasons for a woman to be mad.
Those are all legitimate reasons to be angry though
Preach! Also with a angry woman it's always applied, "She just needs to find a good man," in order to fix her anger *eyes roll*
or sHes jUst oN heR pErIoD
or that her anger is just a personal problem and not the result of societal ills. She is not angry because of patriarchy and racism, she is angry at her racist dad.
@Erwin Lii So true! When a angry white guy snaps, white American says, "Oooh no! The poor lost little lamb!" But if a black, Mexican, Middle Eastern, or Native American snaps because of how white society treats them, they are seen as unjustifiable villains!
Hey, angry young women need a separate discussion, because their anger seems to be deligitimised more. And the Angry Black Woman trope is something else.
Do you have any evidence for that by any chance? If not I suggest you 🤫
@@dogwithacamera2722 You're literally just proving BigHenFor right. So I suggest you sit this one out my guy
@@Annie-hb8ob and you played into his point. You both fell.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made another video just for angry women tropes, I think they should.
Annie I was leaving a suggestion of da next trope my d00d.
Do the “Glow-up/transformation trope” where all it takes is for someone to buy new clothes and get a haircut in order to become a different person
Don't forget the root of many insecurities : ditch their glasses and ta-da they are now beautiful!
that trope is so annoying, i’d love to see a video on that
hey you also have to ditch the glasses and un button a few more of the buttons on your shirt
Or ditch their curly hair... I'm black so these kinks aren't going anywhere. People rarely ever find their beauty in a natural look, especially if they are not white.
@@kennedyjojackson1202 I find natural hair to be absolutely gorgeous. It pains me when I see women straighten their hair because of external pressures.
Holy moly I think this is the first time this channel has meaningfully acknowledged there are films outside the West, with Bollywood. Would be great to see more videos on tropes in films outside the West too!
They'd have to start watching a LOT of those films and have a deeper understanding of them and that's definitely a lot to ask of people
@@phoenixfunny4517 eh I'm not so sure. Just hire someone (s) who watches a lot of this and they'd be good to go. Or even focus on just a few films at a time. After all, they show maybe 5-10 main films or tv shows per video, so it's not too hard I feel
well i assume the answer come form who they audience they're aiming for.
@Neha well the west kind of invented movies so they did kind of invent a large amount of tropes. thats not saying that each country has its own unique tropes and some did transfer form plays but still.
again this channel is geared towards western audiences so its going to focus on movies they would know.
For once, I'd like to see an "Angry" female character not be automatically labelled as "insane" or "attention seeking" just because of her gender. She deserves to be taken as seriously as her male counterpart.😤 💗
No one automatically deserves to be taken seriously.
Thelma and Louise were angry, right?
I would love to see a group of angry women of color that are seen as having justifiable anger and that don’t simply fit into the ‘Angry Black woman’ or ‘Fiery Latina’ stereotype.
It's not like the angry young man trope is a heroic character, the only people who don't understand that it's not a heroic or idealized character are other angry young people. The angry young men characters are unhinged and attention seeking, we can relate to it often and we're meant to understand their struggles but they are unhinged and attention seeking nonetheless. Just because it's a female character doesn't mean we should treat the character as if they are without flaws
Walk out of your cave and watch some new movies and you'll see that isn't really happening
That's something I've noticed already: young angry WHITE men are praised for their non-conformational personalities; young angry BLACK men are labeled as just gangsta-wannabes.
And the angry WHITE woman is crazy or too emotional, and the angry BLACK woman is there just for the laughs.
WHITE! BLACK!
Depends entirely on the context of the movie.
@@luway100 not really. Could you give me an example of a young angry black man character who hasn't been berated by his angst and anger in a movie?
Sofía Villarreal the angry white woman is seen as over emotional, the angry black woman is seen as bitter, extreme, and even sometimes masculine
I really like how Black Panther portrais the villain's motivation. Like, in most stories, even if the narrative recognizes that the villain has a point, since his actions are still bad, the story is still only about defeating the villain and never thinking about their motivation again. In Black Panther, the hero barely has any motivation as a main character, his character arc is about adopting the villain's motivation, because, yes, his actions are bad, but it doesn't invalidates his motivation, the problem he pointed out is still there, and the movies ends with the hero taking action to help the people the villain was trying to help, but trough different means. The lesson learned was that the villain was right
That is a great point
Exotic Girl Trope, PLEAAASE
Yeees, as a Latina I always wondered why our representation on screen is usually the Hot voluptuous Latina, who usually is a gold digger 😒, or the maid
Yes! I would love this trope exploration! Women of color deal with this BS all the time and it’s so stupid because I feel like we get much of that behavior or fetishization from the media we consume.
God blessed latinas
Asian girl with a colored streak in her hair
Latina with an accent, wearing a red dress
lh9591 The streak HAS to be purple too
Great video! Just a reminder it's important to be MINDFUL Black men and boys have been stereotyped by media to ALWAYS be angry or full of aggression for decades. I remember getting laid off from a retailer i worked (All white staff cept me) I was the only worker they laid off that they stood a distance from and watched for my reaction as if i was gonna go into a fit of rage. It was so awkward I straight up had to smile and tell them they didn't have anything to worry about and that i wasn't gonna "snap". I had to make THEM feel okay with laying ME off, took a while for me to process that
Oh wow, this is so interesting! Thank you very much for sharing.
This is eye opening and something I've never considered. But considering that the sole minority in a group isn't really allowed to discuss their personal discomfort when it comes to prejudice or racism, its hard to read their situations.
I will said obama was carefull to no act like a angry black men
Recently seems more like media only has angry balck men when unjustified actions play off of other minorities.
Hi I am an Indian . It’s felt so good to see an Indian movie reference on The Take. Love your channel. Love your work. Would love to,see more references from the Indian cinema. Amitabh bachchan got recognition and stardom because of his angry young man image, he is a huge star in our country, the biggest star. All thanks to this trope.
What's your opinion on Amitabh Bachchan's angry young man image? Is it justified? What are his standpoints?
I'm not from India but I'm very curious.
@@plebweeb8868 his image of angry young man focused on how he was wronged by people and that shaped his personality and he became rude and serious. Sometimes his family or society pushed him to become a criminal. There was no show of violence towards women. His characters used to keep distance from women and if he was in a relationship he was one woman man. I am not fan of this kind of trope, I was just happy that amitabh bachchan was shown as I am from India. I hope I answered your questions, if you have more please do ask. Thanks
@@sharonswayam6668 I see, I think that's a very respectful take on the trope. I can only imagine the horrible things going on in your country. Indian citizens have plenty of reasons to be angry, it's nice to see Amitabh get an image that does not take his anger out on those around him; Especially not the vulnerable. Thanks so much for answering!
I love amitabh too
I also was suprised to see him here
P.s im not indian
@@plebweeb8868 thanks 😊
the disaster film trope, if that’s even one
Lindsay Ellis talks about this a lot in her Independence Day vs War Of The Worlds video!
Irwin Allen could be the star of his own video.
The 1970's were full of them.
Thank You so much for acknowledging Amitabh Bachchan's part..he indeed was one of the flag bearer of Angry Young Man in Bollywood..
I think white men try think I'm trying to tell them they can't be mad when I say I'm tired of, "White Male Rage" but I'm not saying white people can't be mad but I'm tired of white men wanting validation when they're saying, "This shouldn't be happening to me." Instead of "This shouldn't be happening." Yet marginalized groups are characterized as unnecessarily angry or violent when trying to get rid of systemic issues not just being pissed at personal things.
I like the way you put things.
That's a great way to put it
Because it the same for them, white people put themselves as people, therefore things are bad when it affect them.
@Grande Leonardo I literally said they have a right to be mad but it's completely unfair and ignorant to validate that their anger that only manifests and takes action on a personal level while villanizing groups who use that anger to create systemic and institutional change to benefit the collective.
@Grande Leonardo Can you quote the specific phrases that portray those ideals because that is not at all what I typed so I want see how you came to that conclusion?
Thank you for including Amitabh Bachan! He was the quintessential Angry Young Man when I was growing up. You guys really know what you're talking about. :)
When I saw Amita Bachan, I was like “That’s riiiiight!” They did their research :) I’m proud.
I once read a post on a blog, Philanthropica: Anger is a gift. In it a particular passage spoke to me.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. If you witness someone suffer undeservedly, that ought to madden. If you see someone profit through malice or fraud, that ought to infuriate. When you see cruelty, when you see injustice, and you know it would sacrifice nothing of moral consequence to end that cruelty, to soothe that pain, or right that wrong, and yet it persists, something has to explode inside you if you've anything resembling a soul."
Anger is an emotion that unfortunately exists within each of us. How you use it defines you. The writer of the blog goes on to write.
"Professionalism has its place. Humor and whimsy, I suppose, have their places, too, but so do our passions, so does our anger. And yet we continue to speak this suffocatingly reasonable vocabulary of effectiveness and accountability, this stilted professional jargon of leverage and targets and benchmarks. Do you people ever get angry?"
Yes. Yes I do.
Anger is a sign, house not the solution. Like fire it's a good servant but, a bad master. Revolutions begin not when destruction begins but with the idea that things need to be different. So they need to be fought in the mind first. Observe and learn from those forces that oppress you. Look how they use their power, and you will quickly realise that anger without direction is pointless. The oppressors have a plan, and the quicker you realise that you need to have a strategy, the faster you can rediscover your agency to change your life.
@@thecod2345 Tearing down a system that oppresses and degrades the quality of life for others will help you too. If everyone stood up for what's right then everyone would benefit. The individualistic selfish approach makes it easy for the rich and powerful to keep us down. Just like the saying "United we stand, divided we fall." If we refuse to let them divide us then they cannot stop us.
Also putting this action up on a pedestal by saying "We're not all superman" makes these actions seem unreachable or bordering on martyrdom. But it's the every day actions of calling out the wrong you see and not tolerating it and demanding better that will move us forward, and everyone can do that. Even you.
@@thecod2345 Then you are a dead man walking. You are part of a society, and you are deluded if you think that oppression elsewhere has nothing to do with you.
I just hit myself mentally until it turns into sadness.
@@thecod2345 @The Cod why do you assume it's minor ways? And I understand you don't want to take time out of your weekend to protest or something of that nature but I'm talking about basic action like saying "stop that" to someone being racist or sexist or homophobic. That would not eat up your time, but it matters.
Also by showing you care can benefit you, I know that I've shown my support to others and because of that they've protected and supported me too. You get ahead in life faster if the people around you like you. And I'm not saying you should bend over backwards and let people get ahead of you. Again, that's making equality into martyrdom. But people should be competitive based on their skills and experience, not their race etc. This also means though, that the barriers to getting that experience should be the same too, but right now it's not.
I'm glad that the system is good enough for you that you don't want to disturb it but activism isn't to make your life worse, its to make everyone able to enjoy it. For those who are in worse positions with little hope of improvement, we want the same thing. To be happy with our friends and families in our simple life but not all of us have that choice and though it seems like a small thing to ask for, it's a luxury.
Don't let the people in power pit us against each other. They count on us squabbling to keep the focus and anger off them.
I understand you don't want to do the heavy lifting, but why do you insist that you (or someone else) can't even try to do the small every day things? If you were in a terrible unfair place in our society due to something you couldn't control, wouldn't you want to change things?
"I'm tired of being calm, calm never got me a damn thing!"
-Benjamin "Benny" Sisko
Got me arrested when I listened
The angry young woman is demonized, especially if she is a Black woman, who have the most right to be angry.
True.
It is not who is angry or where they are that justifies anger it is the reason. Because the anger of the sane is productive and justified.
Anger is just a natural response to perceived injustice. Whether that injustice actually happened or not is very debatable.
And I don't see how being s black woman is automatically an injustice.
1110% any woman who isn't a submissive robotic slave to a man is considered "broken".
@@dithaingampanmei Those must be some powerful rose-tinted glasses you've got, where can I get a pair?
As an angry Black woman, people always tell me that the anger I'm living with must be consuming me. But that's the contrary; it drives me. It's like they refuse to comprehend the fact that anger can coexist with other emotions; I can live with it and it doesn't deprive me in any way. This is comparable to people who live with grief. It's not maladaptive at all. It's human and it will be here until my discomfort in this racist society is remedied.
It can be manipulative consuming. That's doubel edge sword that is emotions.
My mom is a very angry person and for good reasons she has lived a very tough life and faced a lot of horrible misogyny and injustice but I just want you to know that sometimes justified rage can end up hurting people you love unintentionally. My mom has said some horrible things to my father, my sister, and myself when she has been angry about other things and even though I know she loves me a lot there are things she has done and said that still hurt. Anger can be important in some situations but make sure you do not direct it towards the people you love because there are some things that can't be taken back.
I feel this. I'm an Asian American man, and that anger is a driving force to want to do good by people who come from where I come from. And it helps me to unite with other POC who share different struggles, but by the hand of the same system.
exactly
"ANGRY YOUNG MEN!"
Shows middle aged Joaquin Phoenix.
Johnny Burnes nah, the joker is definitely a symbol of angry young men, even if he’s played by a middle aged man most of the time
it's funny but I think the trope is a state of mind... I've met 50 something men with that vibe... the anger stays especially if there are legitimate reasons
"Anger is a reaction to feeling powerless, an attempt to seize control when you have none." - The Take
Dam that was good.
And then damns young men for anger while praising women for it. Talk about hypocrisy and double standards! Ha! You’re guilty of the very hypocrisy that you denounce. Men have cause for rage, too.
@@danielpack7675 Dude, calm down. You're not going to win an award for that comment. It ain't that serious.
@@iamedyson whatever. Just speaking my mind same as them.
My frustration with the 'Angry young men' (actual angry young men rather than the trope though the trope does influence these men) is that they tend to lash out at people who are ALSO being downtrodden and put upon. Instead of attempting to channel their anger into social and political change, they lash out at women, minorities and LGBTQ people.
I tend to get really bored with movies that at its core is about the anger of cis, white, straight men.
You're not wrong, but at the same time those movies about angry cis white straight men are usually condemning and NOT condoning their entitled rage. However, unchecked and misdirected rage has a tendency to impact the most vulnerable even if that rage is from marginalized identities.
There is a cowardice to it, plus a feeling of being trapped in the system to the point where they can't see the system itself being dismantled, only a switching of roles within it. That's why someone of a dominant demographic (race, gender, etc.) may fear losing their privilege.
We don’t channel it into politics because every time we try to bring it up we’re mocked by men and women. It’s very Abundant that either society isn’t ready yet or just flat out doesn’t care about what we have to say. That’s why we’re angry. Also the people who lash out at women, minorities, and LGBTQ people are mostly MGTOW or “Nice Guys” men. They don’t reflect the majority of what is men think or feel. We just want our voices heard like everyone else.
Toshimi1043 No most of us are angry because problems that effect our Gender (such as the high suicide rate, father rights, custody battles, and male rape) are routinely overlooked by most of society.
@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 The cis white man has always been the most listened to group in history.
Wasn’t expecting to find out the inspiration for the Oasis song ‘don’t look back in anger’ and the Arctic Monkeys album ‘whatever people say I am that’s what I’m not’ from this video but the more you know
Do the tortured artist trope
Zach Hill
There is a RUclips channel called "The Art Assignment" that made a great video about the topic. Go and check it out.
Patrick willems did a video about music biopics tropes that is relevant of what youre saying:"The broken formula of music biopics" is the title.
JD Salinger in Rebel in the Rye would be a good one for this. Although the film is kinda a really cringey, awful, dare I say, phony, attempt at it.
The angry, young anti-establishment types have always been interesting to me. There’s still plenty of that now even though we think it’s dying out. And also please do the girl and boy duo. Interesting character dynamics and differences.
This channel has become just as much therapy as entertainment. I just love you guys!
Guess you've never been to therapy. Try it.
Lol oh yes I’ve tried it. Many many times. This is better!
I saw the title and immediately thought of Zuko, wait I always think of Zuko lol
Make a video about the GAY FRIEND please
They say some cool stuff about it in the Best Friend video, if you haven't already seen it
Rebel without a cause played by James Dean, also fits this trope.
These males are considered YOUNG? How are 30+ males considered young but women of the same age are not
If this character were female she’d be immediately called crazy. Edited: And anger is like fire to someone, a good servant, but a bad master.
no she wouldn't in todays world there is nothing but praising women and saying she is empowered even when she is just being an asshole
It depends on how angry she is.
Lol I wonder why?Maybe because...they are?
When You're Accustomed To Privilege, Equality can feel like oppression. But it's not. What you're feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege.
While that is truth I feel it have becoming just a handwave to all disconfort male feel when is not about race in general.
@Brandon Moore In short the notion that they always got first and their feeling is all that matters for example.
@Brandon Moore the privilege to go for a jog without being shot to death
lol thats actually exactly what i think of women. women all have female privilege because of our gynocentric society. and whenever men point that out, women say theyre trying to oppress them. ironic.
@@MrYsosad yeah well duncan lemp was shot in his sleep, he's a white guy by the way, was that the result of racism or the incompetent over militarized police?
sort of wish there had been entire 20min segments on
The angry Black man
The angry Black woman
The angry white woman
The angry white man
No Angry Latinx or Angry Asians?
There are all kinds of angers that need to be explored. The angry Indigenous, for one.
@shirbert lol the angry black woman is way more common than the trope in this video
I'm angry. I have the right to my anger. You'd have mad not to be angry that live in one of the only county's that doesn't guarantee healthcare to their citizen's as a right, that all the money has been redistributed to the rich. We are about to enter a 2nd great depression where thousands of men, woman an children are about to be evicted, kicked out of their homes during a pandemic. This is righteous anger. I hope you are all angry as well, not at minorities or woman but at the Oligarchs who rigged the system against all of us.
True but I don't like how this trope is always aimed at men. Women, and children depending on the circumstance, have plenty to be angry about as well. I've been angry at the American government since youth.
I’m all that, but as a black Jew, the whole world has shit on my people in ways that will sicken anyone. The whole world participated in my ancestors enslavement that has yet to reconciled for. Same with the pillaging of Africa. The Jewish side? You can’t have western society without antisemitism. But that’s not only a male thing. I’m sure black and/or Jewish women feel the same way. I just happen to be a man.
@@sp691 Children? Children shouldn't be dragged into politics, that's a horrible thing to do to them.
Time to burn their castles down, right, buddy? I too am anger over almost all the things you listed here.
Because that doesn’t drive clicks and engagement. IE click bait. They gotta piss off a subset of their viewers to goad them into commenting.
Don’t forget that a dislike or a like is irrelevant to the user engagement systems. It’s all engagement.
Edward Norton is one of the best actors I’ve ever seen.
He's also one of the prickiest ones.
I just watched Primal Fear for the first time last night (his introductory performance that got him nominated for an Oscar) and he is unreal in that, aswell as American History X.
Nice name lol
The first time I saw Black Panther, I didn't even see Killmonger as a villain. It actually surprised me when I heard other people talking about what a great villain he was.
Hmm, no he was definitely the villain, being for the 'right things' doesn't justify everything that you do.
Maybe thats part of why he is a great villain ?
But I mean come on, it's a Marvel movie you CLEARLY knew who the villain was lol
This kind of shit is why I hate the Black Panther fandom. I actually really love Killmonger as a villain, and he's actually a better character every time I revisit the movie. That's why I can't stand all the navel-gazing from people who heard him say a couple things that sounded kinda woke and suspended all their critical thinking skills thereafter. He was literally being the exact thing he was complaining about. Think about it; a mercenary trained by the US government goes to an African sovereign nation, violently overthrows its established government, plans to use it as a tool of colonization, and damn near plunges it into a civil war.
Yeah, every time someone sprays their pants over how Killmonger was "OMG teh reeeeeeaaal hero!" I want to beat them upside their historically-illiterate head with my cane.
His name wasn't a hint at all?
could you possibly explore the way single parents are portrayed in film?
That school shooting scene is horrible...maybe I’m just a woman of the times but I can’t fathom that being acceptable in any way- let alone revolutionary. Horrible.
@Manophere. com first off completely made up stats mean you get made fun of for being stupid
Manophere. com you’re allowed to have your own opinions, which means I’m allowed to think they’re bullshit. Go pollute someone else’s comment section. Your ignorance isn’t even worth debating.
Manophere. com Isn’t it Manosphere? Not manophere?? Anyways, just because a woman raised you doesn’t mean you aren’t subject to toxic societal ideals of men. I think it makes those ideals harder on you, because you don’t have a dad to positively show you or teach you the ways you can fit into said ideals, leaving you feeling excluded or pressured into unrealistically high expectations.
@Manophere. com i can smell the hatred you have for women
Folks were tougher back then
American History X is one of the best films about tragedy leading to racism, tragedy again, then personal growth and acceptance then sadness
I'm really happy that ya'll touched on black experiences in this video. Most channels make the whole video about black culture. Which is great but putting this POV in a non race centered title really makes me feel grateful and respected about it being an American and human experience. Thank you. 🙏🙏
♪ There's a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working-class ties and his radical plan
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl
And he's always at home with his back to the wall
And he sits in a room with a lock on the door
With his maps and his medals laid out on the floor
And he likes to be known as the angry young man ♪
(Billy Joel, "Angry Young Man")
Beat me to it
@@johngleason1776 There's more than enough room in the comment section for multiple Billy Joel fans
Phoebe Clark Thank you. I was just about to write about “Prelude/Angry Young Man”
Finally something with Edward Norton! Best actor of his generation.
Yes, he's such an underrated actor, and deserves more roles nowadays! 😍
@@trinaq He's got 3 Oscar nominations. How is that underrated?
he literally plays the same character in every film he's in but sure
The problem with anger is that it's been overly romanticized in our culture. Whether the anger is from the working class, women, people color, the rage is filtered through a ultra-moralized lens in which being rightfully anger is seen as activism in itself. But the reality is that anger no matter how justified is NOT the equivalent to genuine social justice. In other words, being angry isn't enough for true change to happen.
Moonlite Brite Thank you👏🏻
But it's usually what gets the ball rolling and it takes anger to keep pushing it uphill.
@@tybooskie It really doesn't though, at best it gives short term solutions to long term problems.
I know he’s not exactly a “young” character, but I really was hoping this would touch on 1993’s Falling Down, which is tremendously interesting to observe amidst today’s political and social climate.
No, not all anger is equally heard, angry white men, get heard the most and acknowledged, and forget about being angry and a Black woman, we get slammed for that.
Chris you make a good point which would also explain why black women are so angry. White men anger is more enabled.
Keep telling yourself that lie.
@@cf9844 Oh, are you angry?
**round of applause for black woman standing up to white man**
YES! They're the most demonized and dismissed for their anger
Me walking into theatre school: *Young* *Woman*
Me having to read Look Back in Anger 4 different times during my degree: *Angry* *young* *woman*
The way that society is regressing back into its old ways of hatred makes me an angry young man.
Best name and profil picture
As it should
Regressing.......where have you been?
@@tybooskie What I mean is we're slowly regressing back to the bigotry from the past only this time it's the other side of the coin, instead of hating minorities society is starting to hate majorities
I can seperate most angry young men into three categories:
The freedom seeker: They are not interested in politics, at least deep down. They have grown up in a highly restrictive background, so they seek freedom by becoming anti-social. They act detestably because they WANT to be hated, they WANT to be controversial because they seek the freedom that comes with being a marginal. Because being an outcast mean you no longer restricted by social norms. They are plenty of things that are legal, but you wouldn't do out of fear of losing your reputation. Many would prefer death to being an outcast (this is why bullying can lead to suicide) but others view this as an opportunity to indulge in their personal desires. In short, their main motivation is to piss-off daddy. They are rebels at heart, and they'll embrace whatever cause fits their rebellion.
The strategist: Those are the ones you most often see in the far right. They are young men in precarious situations, and disenfranchised. They are not evil at heart, but they cannot afford the luxury of being tolerant. They are also worried about group and self preservation. For exemple, it might be a working class man and the only way he can have a decent salary is if his job stays unpopular. If the government accepts many refugees, who are desperate enough to take any jobs, it will threaten his livelihood. Or for exemple, someone who is part of a very small ethnic minority, and the only thing that saves them from complete assimilation is a tight control of it's members. However, most of the time they are powerless against they're true enemy, so they fight either scapegoats or people they can fight off as equals. As you can understand there, they cannot afford to be nice. In short, they are motivated by group and self preservation.
The warrior: They have experience persecution, injustice and they want change. Change now. Contrary to the freedom seeker, he actually wants to be accepted, and is ready to fight for it. However, all those years of angst and resentment build up, and up, unleashing into raw violence. They felt wrong, and they will try to "fix" it, no matter how absurd and/or unethical the methods might be. They are revolutionaries, rioters and they are group-thinkers. Again, they fight for what they believe is right, and can be pretty self-rightous. Which can actually make them more dangerous, as the two above know their actions are harmful, but do them anyways, either because they don't care or because they feel forced to. Their need for social acceptance can also lead them to some pretty extremist groups, as long as they offer them the "friends and family" that they so desperately need.
I think all of them have healthy motivations, although they're anger that can easily turn to raw violence is quite dangerous and frankly, evil.
"The Angry Young Man Trope"
Like every Shonen Anime Protagonist ever?
Really, I feel like the protagonist’s rival is usually the more angry of the two. I mean Sasuke was definitely more angry than Naruto. Same thing with Bakugo being more angry than Deku. Even with other protagonists like Luffy, and Edward Elric, they are not really angry. The one I can think of that was angry was Eren For Aot, but he has since calmed down.
Anger is just when you want your surroundings to cooperate with you.
It doesn't necessarily help you create a cooperative environment.
Perseverance and Intelligence is actually what works towards bending nature to your will.
And Negotiations and Fear is what works to bend people to your will.
I do not respect the Angry Protagonists. Nor do I believe that anger gives power to anyone.
So when an anime protagonist becomes more powerful as he gets angrier, I laugh and switch it off.
You can probably guess that the Hulk is not my favorite Marvel character.
Shonen Anime Protagonists are usually All-loving Heroes. The Rival is usually the one that is Angry.
@@PrincessLioness For AOT, no Eren has not calmed down, if you have not done so read the recent Manga
No because their anger is played off for laughs and stupidity.
*Please do an analysis of Mr. Robot*
good idea!!
Yesssss
Very underrated show
Very unique and creative in S2 to S4
As a 35 year old man that was an angry young man, thank "God" it only manifested as a desire to stay away from those that made me angry, I think the fault is with society. Young adults are going to be angry, all they have is energy and they just found out about the world and it's failings so they're extra passionate. The problem is that we no longer mentor young adults and help them find constructive ways to deal with their anger. Thankfully, I had an inherently aggressive sport like football to play but I also had mentors like my father who taught me that I was never going to be Nino Brown despite how early(6 years old) he took me to see New Jack City(1991) in theaters. There's also my business professor in college, she taught me a lot about how the corporate world works.
The girl and boy duo please I really like that it is a interesting character
Yesss
They are either best friends and or are in a relationship with each other
Most always end up falling for each other
i would love to see the “ latin “ trope, like the portrayal of Latin people and the lack of representation.
We're always portrayed as stereotypical mexicans, narcos or maids.
@@jazminnegro6747 Agreed ! Fun fact: Did you know that Honey lemon in Big hero six is of hispanic heritage ?
@@MsPatrioteqc whaaaaat? I've never heard of that!
But don't forget that not every latinx is Hispanic and there is European latinx
@@MsPatrioteqc In the states minorities, latinos included, fall in three categories: The immigrant (e.g. Sofia Vergara), the exiles (less common nowadays, but Jose Marti was a famous one), and those Natrualized in what's usually called the "Third Space". Those in this category run within a spectrum based on how culturally they have been Americanized. Latinos are usually portrayed on the less americanized side, such as any character Jennifer Lopez or Danny Trejo play in the 2000s, which is why people find it odd when more americanized characters such as Honey Lemon, or Cisco Ramon from the Flash, or even Amy Santiago aren't portrayed in the same vein.
Guys should do the angry black man trope
Agreed, they already covered the "Strong Black Woman" Trope, now they need to focus on the male counterpart, which Samuel L Jackson is the poster boy for! 🧑🏽😁
@Persephone Diggen - Other Things like everything, depends in how they'd do it. If they had the same tesis as the one that the take did the reactions would have been the same
Alba G guaranteed people would freak out if a guy did an “angry women” video like this 😂
AlexG911 If a guy did an angry women video and mocked or ridiculed women, then yes, it would cause anger. But if a guy shed a sympathetic and respectful light on it, then no 😒
And we were specifically talking about black people being portrayed as angry so, it wouldn't be offensive to analyze why this trope exists
They just did it. It's justified anger. Did you watch the entire second half of the video? It was all about race even though none of us clicked on a video about race.
All British actors are middle class now, working class actors like Ray Winston and Michael Caine are vanishing from Hollywood because it costs too much money for working class kids to go to drama school now and producers don`t make movies about working class Brits anymore.
Yup, you see in the old kitchen sink films people actually being allowed to express their own background on screen.
Bachan~! I’m so happy the angry Indian Bollywood Action Hero has been mentioned.
Ooh, y'all should talk about the romanticization of the mafia and the different portrayals of (POC) gangs vs the mafia
Thanks so much for making this! Very timely. Anger is an important and powerful emotion that should be harnessed for positive change, but it usually gets too chaotic and so can be aimed in the wrong direction or at the wrong people. Men and especially white men have a right to be angry just like everyone else, but aiming it at women or minorities is not useful. They should get mad at the systems that invalidated their existence and feelings, and realise that it's doing the same thing to them as it does to women and minorities and fight against the system and against capitalism for the rights of all.
@Glosso
Holy shit, dude.
Your comment is the best thing I ever seen.
Well, feminists usually don't care or mock men's issues, they think that society's problems all come from men and women are never to be blamed. Why should we associate with them?
@@darklazerx7913
You have no idea what you're saying.
@@alienboy1322 How come?
@@darklazerx7913 The fact that you believe any one group of people all think in the same way is a problem. If the term feminist offends you more than they way human beings get treated by the systems they exist in, you're angry/upset about the wrong thing. The fact that the word "feminist" which includes "fem-" in it is a point of contention with so many people to the point where they can't get past the word to see what feminists are saying (or any resistance group such as BLM etc) is part of the problem. Why are female adjacent or female led initiatives that offensive? Why do all feminists get lumped in to a group of people who "don't care about men" while men getting lumped in to one group is unacceptable? I think saying that an entire population group of any race, gender, social standing, class etc. all believe in the same thing is misguided and false. It just doesn't make sense that everyone would thinks exactly the same thing and it doesn't account for the nuance of the human experience.
I really love The take, a lot can copy your content, but only you excel at it
Yes :)
Oo yes amitabh bachchan was the definition of angry young man in bollywood
Thank goodness.
You guys should do a take on Midge and Joel Maisel and their more modern, complex relationship in a pre-modern era. I just love The Marvelous Mrs Maisel and really want more people to discuss it.
Iain Ronald I LOVE Mrs. Maisel too. Ugh, when Benjamin the doctor finally confronted her about their break up and he said “The coming back together would have been sensational.” My knees got weak and I was like dammit Midge. You really let him slip right through your fingers!
@LoveK I agree, Benjamin was the perfect match for her. But, there's something compelling about what Midge and Joel have with one another. Like, they're always there to support each other unquestioningly and there’s never any will they/won’t they tension.
I love how world wide its this The Take episode... that Bollywood character its the proof of how universal the cinema can be. I'm pretty sure Mubi really helps in this video.
How about the og angry young man, Hamlet? Shakespeare maybe?
The Take is a G.O.A.T. Squad. Love your video essays, even when I don’t agree with every take. Thank you for your hard work and introspection on a macro level.
All of these problematic tropes are partly the reason why I don't even watch movies anymore, is hard to find a movie that is both entertaining and with good standards
John Wick perhaps?
I can so relate to that!
Humans are flawed, and movies are made by humans, therefore movies are flawed. Expecting them to be perfect is foolish and will only deprive you of good. No movie will ever be entirely realistic or culturally relevant or politically correct, so stop nitpicking and enjoy what you have. Only then will you be capable of constructive critique.
@@kimifw58thank you!! People need to stop looking for perfection in art. Art is reflective of life’s imperfections because, well it is imperfect!
I really want to write something around black female anger. Something raw but genuine. I just need a concept
You mean like what makes this person angry?
We always have the right to feel whatever we feel. We also have the right to express anger when we feel hurt or betrayed. However, the real question is not whether your anger is 'justified', but whether or not your anger is working for you.
I really appreciate the inclusion of Amitabh Bachchan in the video because he is literally the first example I can think of for this troupe.
True
This week, equal-sex marriage was denied where I live, because of the homophobia of some local politicians. As a gay man, I've been angry all week and been part of the protests by the LGBQT community for their rights. Right now I can I easily relate with the "angry young man" trope, and it's such a good coincidence that you guys uploaded this video today. Thank you.
Can you do a trope video for the Cheerleader?
So glad the Hindi Film Industry made it to this video! Great job❤️
I always thought Mookie threw the trash can into the window to redirect the black mob's anger from Sal and his sons to the physical restaurant. Sal started the fight that brought the cops that killed Radio Raheem, so the mob probably would have killed Sal if not for Mookie stepping in and giving them an alternate target to cast their rage on. The elders came to their senses after the restaurant was destroyed and dispersed the mob before they destroyed the Korean family's store (despite them having done nothing) so in my opinion Mookie did, in fact, do the right thing.
I think it's a little silly to say working class anger is less legitimate than black anger, especially when so much of systemic racism comes down to the economic element
I wish the oppressed would realize we have a common enemy and work together. The problem is, the oppressors also think they're oppressed, and everything gets confused, and America was a mistake.
I didnt hear that in the video, Capitalism and Racism work hand in hand to disenfranchise black people. So black anger is working class anger. You can't be anti-racist and pro-capitalist.
Lonely Cat Lady the problem is when people like The Take deliberately try to divide the working class like this.
@@PeterEhik the part in the video I was responding to was 10:59 specifically
@@PeterEhik i am pro capitalist an i won't allow thots to take my money
Thanks for adding information on the trope in Bollywood! Huge Amitabh Bachchan fan
"White male anger has been treated in so many films as a noble protest"- showing the This is England white supremecist gang at this point probably wasn't the best example...
Could you guys do a video for coming of age movies?
Yes, please, they're a genre that NEVER goes out of trend, as everyone has either gone through, will go through, or is currently going through! 😊
Bruh, no footage of Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender? Wack
Zuko isn't angry. He's just confused.
Jordan Loux Zuko is most certainly angry it just takes a while for him to notice who he is really angry at (his father of course). So yeah he is also confused about who he is angry at, but het is most certainly an angry boy.
Kylo Ren was such an amazing character in mediocre movies
Yeah seriously
"mediocre" Sure.
wasted on sub par directorial direction and clumsy writing
At least he had a chance of showcasing a bit of potential; Finn started as troubled Stormtrooper that didn't want to kill innocents and was hinted to have PTSD to.... idk, a guy who screams Rey a lot.
@@biazacha lmao tru Finn was showed on posters to potentially be a jedi...then the nxt two movies he just yells Rey and where is Rey? Lmfao
can you Do the trope about why I always forget my wallet when I leave the house and have to go back to get when I get to the store and realize its not there and I get sad?
Can you do videos on the variety of tropes involving old men? (grumpy old man, wise old man/woman, weird old man)
That would be interesting.
Y’all do a terrific job with the analyses! Killmonger was such a great character! The movie’s message was a little forgotten because of the success it received for starring Black people so prominently. Thanks for your work!
*The Warriors* enters the conversation
Wow, those reviews on Spike Lee's film are DISGUSTING. Why is Black anger always seen so negatively? It's like we're not allowed to be angry and upset, nor are we allowed films that show that directed at White supremacy and supremacists. Smh
And the negative reviews on Joker were honestly dumb as shit. The Joker wasn't like those incel White Supremacists who wanted to shoot people up for the sake of doing so, and then blaming it on some faulty "woe is me" bs. Joaquin's Joker had an actual story. He let his mental illness take over after being told that society didn't care about him when he was trying. And then the terrible family history and such.
The Joker was more popular than Kylo Ren, specifically among angry young men.
My goodness how frustrating that through cinematic art there is a message, with a purpose being portrayed and it is demoralized and battered. But did anybody jump at all.the previous white rebels literally without a cause? A Clockwork Orange is supposed to be a masterpiece and all these other anti- heros are cinema golden characters but the racism is thrown in your face throughout Do the Right Thing and all they could conclude was that a riot was unnecessary?!
A angry young man video, with no mention of James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause or Marlon Brando in The Wild One
You know what’s also great about kilmonger? Is that I think it’s one of the few times I’ve seen the hero actually learn from the villain and understanding that Eric was right he just became consumed by the rage. It’s really tragic and T’challa opens up the borders to Uganda and starts helping out black communities like Eric’s which was truly at the core of what Eric wanted.
Because of the movie casuals. Magneto will always be a better villain.
Loved hearing about the international contexts and developments of this trope!
Oh my God this channel is just producing Gems. Love y'all's breakdowns, been binging all week... Ed Norton is amazing and when spike lee said-not once has a black person asked him why mookie threw the trash can👀FACTS... Keep giving us this good content, love you for it 👍🏾
When I saw the title the first name that came to mind as an Indian was Amitabh Bachan but I never thought I will see him there but I did
I really appreciate examples not just from the US. Although I live in the US it's cool to see how we as a society have been impacted by movies all around the world
In recent movies, where is the angry young man who is aware of his class, has class consciousness and acts upon that knowledge? There are very few, usually about some distant event in history, like the movie "Matewan". But the only other recent movies about this theme show the young angry male working class as a little above aimless psychopath.
Love you including Amitabh in this - he was the trailblazer in this category in Bollywood!
yessss fish tank!!! so good and such a great update to British kitchen sink realism
Loved Fish Tank too, Andrea Arnold is so fucking talented.
Thanks for talking about anger and women. Men (well, mostly white men) are allowed to be angry all the time, but women? No way! I remember watching Thelma and Louise with a boyfriend. I loved it and he was 'so disturbed and put off by the violence'. This from a guy who regularly watched action and superhero movies where loads of people are killed quickly without a second thought. But two women who kill someone who is trying to hurt them, hold up a liquor store with a gun and cause (indirectly) the blowing up of a tanker truck, are excessively violent? Really? That was the beginning of the end of that relationship.
I think it really says something that this video doesn't even mention how angry young men are often angry because of how we're taught by society to bottle up our emotions and that showing them is showing weakness. I think it says even more that when I read through the top comments not one of them pointed this out, and instead all of the top 10 commandments talked about how women should be allowed to be angry. Us men don't want to be angry. We are conditioned to bottle up our emotions, keep people at a distance, and always "keep it together". This repression of emotion is why many, not all, young men are angry and this is why men make up %80 of suicides world wide.
it isn't society at large that conditions men to behave in that way, it's the patriarchal systems and social expectations that cause these problems, which were created by men.
@@Julia-hj7nn a big part of society is the social conditions and systems. And yeah, men made most of these systems, but the men who originally said "men can't cry" are all long dead. That's why I made this comment, to try and get people talking about this. At the end of the day you can't change social norms, even ones that effect only part of society, unless everyone is working towards it.
@@BriGuy-ed5dr really? not from what I've observed while being on the internet the majority of my life. most men may not explicitly state "men can't cry", but the hyper-masculine and ego-centric rhetoric that conditions men to be emotionally regressed are still extremely present in today's society,especially on the internet. take a look at 4chan or reddit. it's like when a man is emotionally vulnerable to women or something, even if they're not trying to gain sexual favors from said woman, it's not uncommon for many young men to accuse that person of being a simp or soyboy or whatever juvenile terminology is most popular at the time. these are the people upholding the idea that men can only experience two valid emotions: lust or rage. this emotional entrapment obviously leads to young boys feeling alone and disenfranchised, which makes them even more angry, which perpetuates the cycle into oblivion.
@@Julia-hj7nn the difference is you're talking about the internet and political rehtoric. I'm talking about how in real life I've been told by plenty of women that men crying is unattractive, tv shows and movies portray crying as a weakness for men, and teachers telling young boys to man up and giving young girls extensions for crying. I work with both children's and sucide charities and these are real problems. Personally, I don't give a shit about who's causing it. I just want this like videos that talk about why young men are angry to address how they often feel they can't express themselves and it leads to alarming levels of sucide.
Acting angry is never okay, except maybe in a political context. Angry people are physical threads and that is simply not okay, not in a professional context nor in a personal one.