The Feminist Trope, Explained
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2020
- Get a full month of MUBI FOR FREE: mubi.com/thetake (With the support of Creative Europe - MEDIA Programme of the European Union) | For many years, feminists have been dismissed, mocked, and outright vilified onscreen. But more recent depictions of feminist characters on TV shows like Mrs. America, Downton Abbey, and Sex Education increasingly reflect that the "feminist" label is at last being claimed as aspirational, cool, and even necessary. Still, even this embrace of the cause for gender equality has brought new perils, like co-option and commodification. Here’s our Take on the feminist trope, and why it’s a no-brainer that we should all be feminists.
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i think it would be interesting to see more complex female characters who identify as feminists and yet don't fall on all of these stereotypes, like Meg in little women - she wants to be a stay home mom and it does not make her less of a feminist, she has a dream and she goes after it. we evolved a lot, but there is definetly a long way to go in that sense.
@Broken Deity what are you talking about my mom is a stay home mom and all she wanted was a family her whole life, that doesn´t make her less feminist as she supports us for not wanting that life
@Princess Nylani And child labor and exploitation of factory workers, also in that scene it critiqued a very narrow waisted beauty ideal
Precisely, I adore how Meg isn't condemned for her dreams, and sticks by her principles, even when Jo tries to talk her out of them before her wedding to John. As she proclaims herself, "Just because my dreams are different than yours doesn't make them unimportant." You go, girl! 🖐️🥰
There's a character like that in Mona Lisa Smile
We need more than one feminist by movie, to show that there's not one model but several ^^
About the Powerpuff Girls clips, the episode was written by Lauren Faust (who identifies as feminist and would later create and develop My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic) and even she regrets writing the episode. I think the message she was trying to get across was be cautious of people who invoke activism as a means of getting special treatment or to evade consequences, as the episode makes a point of Femme Fatale's posturing of feminism and female superiority that she hurts men AND women in her crimes sprees. The episode ends with the Powerpuff Girls finally bringing her to justice while also lecturing her for her obsession with Susan B. Anthony coins when she doesn't know what "Susan B. Anthony" is famous for, which gives the episode its final message. Susan B. Anthony broke the law by voting but insisted she be punished like everybody else when law enforcement considered letting her go because she was a woman. Faust says she regrets the episode because she felt it was too complex an issue to discuss in an 11 minute children's cartoon.
Funny I understood it well enough when I saw it as a kid.
Interesting backstory. I thought the episode was a funny, absurdist look at feminism which I think would be okay if there were enough positive feminist role models in children’s cartoons. If the stigma wasn’t attached to the name, I think it would be okay to make jokes like that here and there.
A villain posing as a hero.
Now where have I seen that?
@strontiumXnitrate with views like that why did you click on this video in the first place?
@@MaggieCandy999 Same. I'd even say it helped to inform the basis of my feminism.
Please, make a video about "toxic relationships" in movies and tv shows and how they're often portrayed as goals.
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@@sofia_rms Why up??
Yes! Also how toxic patterns and behavior are normalized to the point that people are censured for standing up against it "making a big deal out of nothing", "just give in", "don't argue, por favor", "you'll ruin the holidays"
Joker and Harley Quinn, bella and Edward, anna and the guy from 50 shades(forgot his name)
How about not policing others relationships? What works for one couple might not work for another? Not all relationships need to follow the feminist guidebook.
I used to beleive that woman is truly empowered only when she rejects femininity. I used to view (and judge) others with that lense. I was (as I realized later) subscribing to the patriarchichal notion that being feminine is being weak. It's only after many years I recognized the power of femininity and of choice. And now I have a new-found respect to women who confidently carry themselves.
(Edit: amazed to see the bazzillion directions to which the comments are going! I just complimented women, people! Why do you have a problem with it?!)
'patriarchal notion that feminine is weak' ?? sorry but that's not a patriarchal notion but your own insecure notion of feminity, feminine women will always be the weaknes of masculine men, have you never wonder why symbol of freedom or equity are always represented by godesslike feminine women ? when women try to be strong the way men are typically they immediately lose that feminine aura that all masculine men are secretly looking for in a woman, feminism has destroyed the essence of a woman
@@cardett75 wtf are you talking about all this men stuff, who cares what they think, i am my own person (a woman) even if men like it or not.
@@cardett75 Many "empowered" females in media are tomboys.
@strontiumXnitrate :
That is the way men are going if they live their life by the MGTOW philosophy. MGTOW don't hate fefails but are indifferent to them.
cardett75 bro the notion and implications by modern society that femininity is weak and/or bad is literally EVERYWHERE. When a man is more feminine he is shamed for it, and being called a girl is often an insult. But when a women acts more masculine she s often praised for it. I’m so glad that you see femininity as this wonderful, powerful goddess-like thing, but saying that the modern world doesn’t have this notion that feminine=weak is wrong. It is not coming from other girls, i have heard it out of many men’s mouths, there are some women too but like the op said it comes from wanting to conform to the perpetuated idea that feminine is weak and masculine is strong. It is what is perpetuated and taught, I wish what you stated femininity is viewed as is reality/more universal, but sadly it is not. This is not to say I personally believe that femininity is weak. And ‘this is your own insecure notion of femininity’? Where could that have come from huh? Are you telling me a woman wakes up one day out of nowhere and goes “hmmm...woman things bad men things good”, with no source whatsoever? You’re kidding yourself, the answer is yes patriarchial notions that woman stuff is weak exists and it is being perpetuated and this is where some women’s ‘insecure notions of femininity’ exists. For all I know you could be someone who is fully aware of this and is just trying to defend the patriarchy, boy i sure hope not and you come out of this actually understanding someone else’s viewpoint instead of going ‘haha u all stupid’ (wow i know the very thought right?)
The idea that strong, forceful women are perceived as "un-feminine" is actually much older than people realize: During the early 12th century, Matilda- granddaughter of William the Conquerer- became embroiled in a 20-year civil war with her cousin Stephen for control of the English throne. While she's not exactly a benchmark for modern feminism, the purported reason many had for siding against Matilda was that she was too aggressive and domineering- traits that the Middle Ages saw as unsuitable in women yet often praised in men.
@DarthYuYevon Good. Femininity only serves males.
So darth is a douche..
Jessica Young yes.
@@lauralemon4890 - I would have to disagree with that. Feminity and masculinity are complementary. You're seeing something as a competition when you should be seeing it as cooperation. So while Feminity does uplift masculinity, what does masculinity do? It uplifts Feminity. Believe in creationism, or evolution, either way, you can't really deny that we as people are designed to get along with one another, and as such, Different types of people tend to lean towards Different proclivities, and one of the ways people can be effectively divided this way is based off of one's sex.
It isn't bigotry so much as it is difference. Most men and most women are just as valid in different ways, but there isn't quite a solid line, there will always be more feminine men, and masculine women, but it doesn't do away with the paradigm
What’s wrong with having both masculine and feminine qualities?. Normal people have a healthy combination of both.
I hate when people say that being harassed is just a "compliment" and that we should be "thankful" 🤮
I was out talking to my dad, who was weeding the front lawn at the time, wearing trackies and a tee shirt, hair down, and flats. We were chatting when a car slowed down and a man yelled out the window to us "nice job there" my dad replied. "ah thanks" and started talking about the garden, the man in the car then replied "nah, I was talking about your daughter" the other man driving the car said "yeah she's hot" and then they drove away. Even thiufg my dad thought he was talking to to him about doing the lawn work. I knew, instantly they weren't. I've experienced harassment out the front of my own house, while my dad was there. I was so angry and disgusted I looked for a rock to throw at them
Edit - it doesn't matter what you're wearing, who you're with, where you are. You can be harrased by a man anyway! 😡 It's not a compliment, it's sickening
@@Exalted_in_Venus ugh and people still blame us for wearing revealing clothing?
Tim Starkey depends. How many screams about women not dressing modestly enough are given by feminists?
@@Exalted_in_Venus how did your Dad respond?😭
@@MeWe-fh1lu when they drove off, I got really angry and I said "what the fuck!" he was just bewildered and said he thought they were talking to him about all the work he'd done on the garden.Then I started to rant to my dad about all the experiences I've had similar to that, but I was still a bit shocked that they had the temerity to do that in front of him. He was just completely bewildered and then upset. He's quite stoic usually, but this made him upset.
I'm annoyed that some think it's not feminist or a sign of weakness for a woman to want to fall in love, get married, have kids, or even be a stay at home mom.
I hate how liking feminine things isn't always considered ~feminist enough~ either. What's wrong with liking dresses or high heels?
Well, if feminists think that getting married and raising their children is un-feminist, I wish them a happy life with their careers and a house full of cats.
That's very second-wave of them
@@PaulFJarnes second-wave is really popular in countries like Russia, where as a woman you wouldn’t survive with pink ponies in your head labelled as “free choice, x is empowering, because a woman does that”
its not a sign of weakness, your a real woman and any decent man respects that
One thing that I hate that happens in the internet it's that everytime a guy says he's a feminist, other men attack the guy and call him a "simp" "white knight" or something like that.
I mean, can't a guy just be in favor of feminism because he has women he cares about or just because he's a decent human being?
Btw, just today my mom told me stories about my great-grandmothers and all the struggles they went through, and survived. It was such an inspiration, strong women have existed since the begining of time, and will continue to do so.
I can't speak for all guys, but I suppose I have an inherent distrust for dudes who go out of their way to let people know their a feminist. I am a feminist and I spent a lot of time in activist circles back in college I was even briefly in my schools local anti-fa chapter. From my personal experience the loudest and prodoust guys were almost always predators or problematic in some way.
@gypsy lab You said it perfectly! People sometimes need to just stay in their fucking lanes!
You haven't seen a simp or white knight be so "for the cause" they became more creepy by "helping". From seeing it happen to some women I know some simps and white knights are just snakes waiting for women's weaknesses before they strike.
A guy calling himself a feminist is like a white guy calling himself pro black definitely guilty of something or pandering because he's scared to be on the wrong side of history
It's not just because they mention they are feminist, even if they criticize any misoginist or sexist attitude they get those nicknames. And not just man, i'm not a feminist but sometimes when i made a critic or have a doubt about something sexist there comes some answers calling me "feminazi" or insulting me in other ways. The word "feminazi" was suposed to use with extreme or toxic feminist but it ended using to call it to everyone who talk about missoginy or sexism in something
I consider myself a feminist and I agree with all of that but I wish movies and series stopped trying to kind of push it to show how progressive they are.
I don't want or need a feminist speech in the movie or to prove something, I need it to not normalize sexism or abuse, not base it on gender stereotypes, have female characters with personality that is not dependent on their gender or male character and are not a sexist trope or sexualised. I just need them to treat female characters the same way they treat male, don't give me a female character that's the embodiment of "girl power"(I hate that so much) just have her be another character, doing her job, having her own issues and living her life ESPECIALLY in fantasy movies, I'd very much rather a film to have half its characters being women, being well-rounded characters with personality and a character arc than one Strong Woman™ who's just badass and a die-hard feminist.
I'm no feminist but I agree
Why inherently half? This isn't Noah's Ark
I agree, as someone who is not a feminist. We might disagree on that, but it's very alienating to me, and patronising to you, so we should just cut it out if media entirely.
Ooh,yeah I agree.
It’s almost like people can be feminist and not be extroverts or have it be the central focus of their entire identity.
"I'm here to learn how to avoid being raped" is the most heartbreaking thing I've ever heard YOU ARE NOT THE PROBLEM 😭
@Matt Hendricks ??? what the fuck? are you good? and technically didn't men make this world? In the US men where the ones who wrote all the laws and everything??
@Matt Hendricks so do women boo,so do women.
@Matt Hendricks it's easier to sacrifice all the potential attackers and previous perpetrators to the Norse gods 😻
@Matt Hendricks it will not be enough. A man is physically stronger than you. It's only for the minority of rapes. As a broad girl that do self defense, I know that my chance of escaping are still low. But are you aware that it's mostly male friends, or boyfriend that force you ( rape you), the manipulation until you "accept" ( you lay down and pray that it doesn't last long and think about how your body doesn't even belong to you, your soul leave).
It's the rapist fault. Never the girl.
And why that's only girls that need to do that ? Why do men don't need to do that ? :)
@Matt Hendricks you are the poster boy for mommy issues.
In Mexico's media, feminist are always the joke or overeacting to things and it's sad to see beacause we've try every possible medium to make our movement heard like a song, peaceful protest, pems,etc. You might don't know but Mexico has a hight rate of feminicides in recent years it has risen by 137% and in 2019 alone, 3,825 women were murdered. Last march we got tired and started a riot we painted momumentums, buildings and we still are unheard and moked by the society and the government. Feminist need to be represented in a good way by the media so just like you guys explained so the issue we want to resolve doesn't get twisted because many of the insults we get are beacause of misinformation and plain ignorance to the topic
Thank you for sharing this (albeit devastating) info! The American feminist movement tends to create a bubble for ourselves, and I wish the media shared this information more so we could become more aware that women still have a long way to go in other countries to gain civil, human rights
@@carolinecameron4840 you are right it does makes me mad because we are always aware of your situations but I can understand that is not completly your fault, thanks for spreading the word.
Yes rioting is a good way to promote your movement as a good thing. Just ask the BLM movement, they'll tell you it was just great for they're movement to stop police brutality.
@@otakuman6049 Don't feed the troll. He doesn't even know the difference between "they're" and "their"!
Hey! Muy feliz de que mencionaras México. No soy muy buena investigando, así que tiendo a seguir usuarios/paginas activistas pero solo he encontrado en ingles, conoces algunos en facebook o instagram que pueda seguir y que sean sobre Mexico??
"The problem with the feminist movement is that it just wasn't MEN doing it."
Classic.
And sad
Bro 😂 literally a feminist on Twitter said men can't be feminist because all men are monsters
@@tachyonic900 ops facts hit her hard 😂😂
@Professional Critic don't you think that why we need feminism.... to out girls in more of a position of power and show them that they can do it all, too. thank you for proving our point!
@Professional Critic probably because girls have been oppressed by men since the beginning of time... i mean look at he sexual assualt and femicide rates today. that type of shit doesn't happen to men nearly as drastically
I feel like this didn't mention the token feminist or "feminist act" that is appearing more and more in recent movies, I guess this could be included in the girlboss or something, performative feminism without solid story development perhaps
Yeah, really. Like the live action Disney remakes and Captain Marvel and The Emoji Movie. Those need to be addressed.
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lately i ve been missing the take's construtive criticism. seems a little bit biased to me 😔
@@amgm1996 Hmm,what do you mean?
Yea Dark Phoenix felt especially bad with this. They have the X-Women line which not only feels unnatural, but feels very oddly placed in a movie that kills off one of the only prominent, complex women in the franchise, takes away all of Jean Gray's autonomy as soon as she gains power, and sidelines a lot of the other women like Storm. It feels like the writers knew their women would be criticized for sexist shit in it so they include this one thing to hand-wave away the critics.
I remember watching a show with my parents and my dad scoffed at the character saying she was a feminist. I said “I don’t think that’s funny; I’m a feminist.” And he incredulously said “‘no you’re not.” Because in his mind feminism was the straw feminist trope we discussed here. It’s so important to change this perception.
I’ve had a similar experience with my dad. What sucks is that those kinds of dismissals contributed to the internalized misogyny I’m still trying to get over to this day
Well I can imagine it sucks to be ridiculed for your theories/believes. But personally Im kinda fed up with most (modern) feminists who keep complaining about men and play the victim. Mainly men that critizise the modern feminist perspective.
From my pov, the feminist movement has moved from its focus point. Most active feminists i see ( in the media or on campus) seem to be complaining about issues, but not suggesting solutions for these issues, or just pointing fingers at men or other non-feminists who dont seem to share their thoughts.
I think both of your comments can be seen as an example for this, as you both seem to be adressing an issue, but not looking into why said issue exists (other than pointing a finger) and more importantly, how to fix it. Now this image of modern feminism is most definitely influenced by current day media, but i think you should ask yourself if the issue you are having is caused by misinterperation by non-feminists or an inherit problem within the feminist movement.
Feminism makes men uncomfortable , so I honestly don’t care what men think of feminism bc it questions men privileges and what they are used to. These characters doesn’t show histerical women they show women who are fed up with patriarchy. These characters used to bother me but now I can understand them better
Don’t bother explaining that guy 👆🏽 if he can’t think of ways women are oppressed he’s clearly inside a bubble and possibly not ready to come out
@do you like pizza? cuz I want a pizza dat ass How about instead of just blaming me for "not recognising all the ways in which women are still oppressed" you actually try to come up with a valid argument and give examples?
I like how everyone here is basically proving my point that all of you are simple pointing fingers instead of coming up with solutions...I never said you could not be right in what you are saying, but I think based on the active feminists of today that your message is unclear and poorly executed, as this comment section is proving to me right now.
Its sad that Lisa Simpson is widely mocked by fans. I've always thought she was the best character.
Same here. But I heard she has changed in the newer season.
"Its sad that Lisa Simpson is widely mocked by fans." Weird... I have been watching Simpsons since early 90s, and I never heard any bad thing about Lisa. Homer on the other hand... he was being constantly mocked and were loved for being a mockable person.
@@Qaosbringer its because feminists need women to be constantly victims. I'm sorry, but i support women too much to stoop to that level.
Never heard anyone mocking Lisa Simpson. References?
@Mr King When did I mention feminism? I was just talking about how Lisa is a great character.
Honestly, when a dude on a dating app says they “believe in women’s rights, but don’t consider themselves a feminist” I’m immediately not into it
I see that more and more now, too. When I tried online dating eight years ago, most men in my area identified as feminists. This time around, I maybe saw one. And many men are downright hostile toward the term, even if they claim to believe in equality. I'm not sure what caused the change, but I find it alarming.
That’s because the dude is smart enough to know the difference between equality and a sick ideology that promotes female victimhood and a jealousy of men. Believe it or not: you can respect people’s rights without joining a special little club with a one-sided name.
Sukio‘s Art Channel First off: people that disagree with you and your ideology aren’t “toxic” nor are they “misogynists.”
That kind of name calling, right out of the gate, illustrates your own immaturity and failure to process dissenting views.
“I don’t have time to argue” ...because you don’t have an argument. Cults function the same way. “Drink the Kool-Aid or you’re a [insert negative label here].”
I “made up my mind” because I have 30+ years experience with feminism, feminists, and that whole messed up movement. When you’re older, and wonder why you are where you are (if you’re able to stop blaming others), you’ll understand the damage this ideology has inflicted upon you. Have a good one.
That’s called being a decent and moral human being. Feminism does not own the concept of equality.
In an earlier comment, someone said, and I quote: "personally feel men should not call themselves feminists.
Men can be allies, but I don't think men have any right to be trying to lead the women's rights movement." On the other hand, Emma Watson very eloquently promoted "He for She". So what is a man to do?
Feminism is more than a label, it's a set of principles. It's something that needs to be lived and practiced. It may require a lot of introspection for men who have not had proper feminist role models in their lives, and some conscious self-adjustment to excise the toxic masculinity. But for men who sincerely want to adopt feminist principles to be told that they can't call themselves feminists, only allies, may cause men to think they can't adopt the principles since they can't adopt the label. Men may feel it's best to just bow out.
There may also be some fear of criticism. I'm conscious that I'm 'mansplaining' right now. Sometimes just the act of putting my thoughts and feelings on feminism, from a man's point of view, into a comment like this is an act of bravery. I feel much, much safer being a white man saying 'black lives matter' than I ever do as a cis man saying 'I'm a feminist', because I just don't know what reaction I'll get.
I always felt that the feminist movement in entertainment has been shown as undermining or exaggerated
I think all of the tropes are exaggerated in the movies but there is always a person that actually is that extreme in real life. The whole “Amen and Awoman” thing sounds like a joke from a movie but it really happened😆
Ooo I forgot about this comment. Movies I suggest with great feminism are Kill Bill 1&2 and Mad Max Fury Road
@@baconator8523 Mad Max is a very bad example stealing the show of the franchise leading character Max is according to you great feminism.
I always thought of Ripley, Sarah Connor, Leeloo, Alice in Resident Evil, Motoko Kusanagi, Rita Vrataski the "Angel of Verdun", Rose Da Silva in Silent Hill movie, Beatrix Kiddo, Selene from Underworld, Beatrice Prior, etc to be good examples of female empowerment.
While Furiosa in Mad Max is the current technique of feminist to take existing franchises, "subverting" them and living of the franchise name instead of inventing their own franchise and lore.
Yes :( actually you can do anything, or be anything and still being feminist.
Not all of us are like that :'0
All of these troupes are exaggerated truths. I've had encounters with women like these and they are often the leaders of the feminists movement.
The straw feminist trope has long been used to distance strong female characters from the feminist movement and discredit feminism. By introducing a straw feminist in a film or series, and having the female protagonist argue/fight/ridicule them, creators were able to further push the agenda the feminism is simply unnecessary.
@@osmosisjones4912 Did you write this while having a stroke
Yes! You just voiced what I've wanted to say for so long.
finally someone said it
@strontiumXnitrate umm no as a matter of fact, the media is however happy to use a helpful movement for us all as a mere joke.
Feminism is misandry stop victim card
The children’s animated movie “The Swan Princess” actually may have been my first intro to (lite) feminism in media. There are other problematic parts of the movie, but the inciting incident is when the princess and prince are first dancing as adults, they grew up together, and now he’s clearly enamored with her. However, all he can comment on that’s inspired his feelings is her beauty. She asks what else he likes about her and all he can say is the famous line, “What else is there?”. This always stuck out to me as a little girl because it’s one of the first movies of that time (early 90s) that actually addressed the pretty princess trope.
And there’s nothing wrong with being a pretty princess! It was just refreshing to see a woman challenge a man about his superficiality.
“... a fundamental misunderstanding or misuse of feminist values”
**shows Ivanka Trump’s book**
I loved that
what about love hate relationship in movies/shows? I think this could be interesting
what the- why does it have soo many likes?!
I agree, "Enemies to Lovers" is a common trope, and I'd love to see this channel analyse it further. 🥰💙
@gypsy lab ......o....k.....
@gypsy lab sure...
@gypsy lab what?......
Jasmine/Ruby from On My Block and Devi/Ben and Helga/Arnold
Anne/Gilbert
I’m glad that women have been reclaiming the word feminist. Some men have managed to turn this word into something that is supposed to be looked down upon. And they did that on purpose. The media managed to ruin feminism’s image so badly and it’s only now that people seem to realize how badly people seem to view feminism. Somehow being a feminist and challenging the patriarchy is seen as a bad thing but in reality we should all question the patriarchy. Both women and men suffer under it.
1. Why do feminists think men are so stupid that we have oppress ourselves when we set out to oppress others?
2. The media can't portray feminists who don't exist, especially when "real feminists" never bother to counter "fake feminists" in real time.
@@christopherbrown2706 1. The oppression she's referring to is based on gender stereotypes, the way they make men repress their emotions in the calling a boy who cries a girl, and making them think everything girly is bad leading to them bottling it up which is suspected to be the reason for the higher rate of male suicide. Also why male victims of abuse are less likely to sue or search for help because they are looked down and ridiculized
2. They do, you probably don't know many irl
Loved the "men suffer under the patriarchy too" statement. So true, doll.
@ YUP!!! Love to see people who know wtf they're talking about 🤭
Feminists are anti reality and anti facts
i am extremely feminine and also feminist, and men think my feminine nature doesnt demand respect, and try to get me to 'prove'im capable, usually by asking me trivia about cars ugh
Hi. I am also a feminine feminist :D
...what do they try to prove your expertise in, by asking you trivia about cars? Is the subject also cars?
Respect is earned. What have you done with your life? What have you built? What have you fixed? Doesn't even have to be physical things, but if all you've ever done was upload tiktoks and look pretty, then imo, you don't deserve respect. Respect is earned. The left wing seems oblivious to this. Overprivileged, unskilled hacks don't get respect. Champaign socialists don't get respect. Builders, creators, architects of this world... These get respect.
@@manictiger says the guy with an electronic music soundcloud like every other mediocre white man
When I went to Captain Marvel and saw the whole "I'm just a girl" scene, I cringed quite a bit at its... blatant "pandering". I'm a feminist, but I feel like the message fell flat because of a sort of "performative wokeness".
Then I thought for a bit. How many tv shows, games, anime, and films are just as cringy with their male power fantasy scenes, yet dudes just eat it up for fun? I can't help that I still dislike the scene for its "performative wokeness", but I am perfectly willing to accept it as female power fantasy cheese.
Like I literally don't even care about what's happening in the scene, I just really enjoy that song (it's reminds me of simpler times) so I just sing along when it come on. But I'll try to keep an eye out for the performative stuff next time.
@@kenzij - I mean, I'm not gonna gatekeep "fine art" or anything, but since I spend a lot of my time analyzing media, I'm hyper aware of stuff like that when it shows up. The kind of messages that are bark, but no bite. For instance, even if the scene played out the same, had the thematic buildup to it been more substantial, the payoff would have worked a lot better. Like, maybe CM could have struggled with self-esteem issues due to the mental leash her mentor had put on her, and that scene was the moment she had realized the lie and freed herself both on a power level and a mental level. You know, tying the feminist theme with the character development to invest us in how real women struggle in a patriarchical society. Instead, what we got was a girl with attitude who doesn't change much as a character and, instead, ends up having been right about herself and her power all along, no struggle needed... which, again, works for a power fantasy, but hardly as an emotional investment, which is what I thought it was trying to go for.
Yeah and in end game when they did the "she's not alone scene" I cringed. The weird thing is they pretty much did the same thing in infinity war and it was executed perfectly.....
Oh man, the male power fantasy is real!
I always laugh out loud when I think back on the video game series halo. The main character is a modified super soldier, leader of his troop etc. The Fandom went nuts because a female soldier (a modified super soldier herself, same height) jokingly says to him "I thought you would be taller." People lost their shit! How dare she disrespect the Chief! How dare she suggest that he isn't the tallest, most badass man she has ever seen!
Just goes to show how much different pieces of media just cater to the male ego. It robs the consumer of genuine introspection and quite frankly, even good storytelling.
@@wickedwonderland9831 Yes, Shrek, we know Farquaad's short.
"The gods made us thinking beings. You think they wanted a woman to be just a breeding animal? If so, why do we have brains, laran and tongues to express thoughts, and not just pretty faces, reproductive organs, bellies to carry babies, and breasts to feed? You think the gods didn't know what they were doing?" Marion Zimmer Bradley
Didn't she let her husband violate their children?
@@christopherbrown2706 I do not know about that.
Preach! While we're straying away from the "Stay in the Kitchen" mentality imposed by past generations, unfortunately, it still crops up from time to time. 😔
Christopher Brown Yup she did.
@@trinaq I cannot deny it. 😔
I was always wary of calling myself a feminist. I used to think it was because it is such a volatile term at times, but now I'm wondering - can it be because I've never felt I was being a woman in the "right" way? Since I always thought this way and was always ashamed of who I was, it became harder and harder for me to identify with other women, and thus stand up for them/us/me. I'm not sure if any of this is making any sense, but it almost seems as though I've been having such a hard time to define myself as a feminist for the exact same reasons that are pushing me towards being a feminist.
At any rate...I know I am a feminist, I just still have a problem with articulating it.
I completely understand. Sometimes, it's hard for a person to express their views and opinions without being ridiculed or scorned. I've learned that there's no "right" way to be a feminist, but by staying true to yourself, and keeping an open mind, then that can sometimes make all the difference. 💯♀️
You don't need a label to fight for what you feel is right. Those who adopt labels begin to fall into a box and become near caricatures and stereotypes.
I totally agree with that. I personally started using the term feminist after I watched Emma Watson speech at the un, that was life changing for me. But I some times still struggle since I feel like some people are immediately put off by the term and won't actually listen to you because they already set their mind about yoy
Feminism simply means you think women and men are equal, why wouldn't you wanna be considered one? And i don't mean super radical ones
@@SA2004YG You're right. A label is a tool, but it isn't everything. Sometimes we just need an identifier to help find our community, or a term to embrace in a world that may ignore/ridicule that aspect of ourselves. No one should be faulted for not owning a certain label/identifier despite showing many like traits. We choose our labels/identifiers, no one else is allowed to box us into something we don't want. But there's nothing wrong with using a label either-- calling oneself a 'feminist' isn't a slippery slope to completely changing your personality. As the video goes into, people express the 'feminist' name in their own ways, for good or for bad.
I've learned that there are indeed men out there who genuinely regard the desire for equality as hatred towards them. Because too many men still think we somehow owe it to them to be willingly subordinate to fulfill their deep psychological need to be needed.
@strontiumXnitrate Shut up, windbag. You weren't around for my life and the things I've experienced. Stop subjecting me to your cliche-ridden, thesaurus-abusing blubbering. You can't handle a simple opinion without going on the attack in the most pompous abusive way possible. Way to prove my point.
@I'm Groot Great comeback. Accuse a woman you disagree with of being insane. Like that doesn't bear out what I'm saying even more. You guys are so used to getting away with this shit.
@@PaulineTriage The funny thing is that he proved your point. Look at how some of these anti-feminist men flocked to this video. When feminism is discussed, they automatically feel attacked without question. Truth be told that feminism attacks their collective identities as men and questions a lot of the thoughts, views, opinions, and beliefs that they share among each other as men when viewed in the context of women and sex so, like a hit dog, they want to attack. Been seeing this shit for years.
My dad encouraged me to be as equal as him in the family. He was very open in taking my opinions seriously. The dream is to make all people be treated equally with emphathy. We should all be emphathist.
Empathists, yes. Feminists, no.
Why is it only when men deem something as important that it gets notoriety? like music for instance, The Beatles weren't truly respected as "real" musicians until men decided they liked them.
We know that (many) women let pretty faces and outright pandering overrule their better judgment, even to where they defend said pandering.
Also, the Beatles started out as a boy band that appealed to teenage girls. How many teenage girls (or boys, for that matter) have wide cultural awareness for their love of the Beatles to carry critical clout?
You know......it's almost like boys and girls like Different things, and when things are only in ONE part of the Community....they only make up part of the culture??
Woooow, 😯 how shocking!
"wHy wErEnT vIdEo gAmEs tAkEn sErIoUsLy bEfOrE pAc-MaN, aNd wHeN wOmEn wErE bRoUgHt iNtO tHe gAmInG mArKeT???"
@@graziavendrame3942 - literally everybody. Because we're all parts of a culture. Not to mention that women make up 80% of consumers, Because there's a disproportionality of women spending, and men producing.
So if anything, wouldn't it be the fault of older women of the day who WEREN'T into boy bands??
@@christopherbrown2706 the beatles started out as a grunge rock band in germany actually and then decided to rebrand so that they could become marketable in britain after getting kicked out of germany when they nearly burned a pub down when they nailed a condom to the wall and set it on fire.
@Glenna Smith i never said pretty faces and pandering don't work on men. The difference is we don't deem human Barbies to be inherently impactful on broader culture.
Also if shes a kid she ALWAYS dresses as Ruth Baterginsburg for halloween. Always
The show "Clarence" features an episode with a toyline of supreme court judges transformers & a group of boys (Clarence & his friends) fighting over the action figure of Ruth Bette Ginsbot... Idk I just remembered that
@Lesbian Amazon Sister yeah but thats not what im saying
my family literally treats me like this trope lmao. they say something ‘edgy’ aka racist, sexist or just fucking ignorant and i haven’t even said anything yet and they’re already writing me off. ‘oh you know you can’t joke when she’s around ahaha’ ‘oh here she goes again mahaha’
absolutely pathetic of them. just goes to show some peoples opinions are based off of annpying people for fun and nothing deeper.
I can see why your family says you can’t take a joke.
Stop being so annoying and maybe your family will like you
I used to STAN Mrs. Banks. Straight up, a six year old boy tying a scarf across his torso and screaming sister suffragette in a sun hat in the middle of his grandmother’s playroom
Feminism is giving the choice to women whether to be traditionally feminine, masculine, or in between. In terms of lifestyle, appearance, mannerisms, career goals etc. 😋
Broken Deity for majority of history women didn’t have the choice and are still shamed currently for making any. Also we’re talking about women’s issues right now.
@@graziavendrame3942 what the hell does "not masculine, not feminine, and not in between" even LOOK like?
Broken Deity Not really though. In the past women couldn't do things like pursue a career, join the army, do sports, lead a country
@@christopherbrown2706 Furries?
@@marajade9573 😂
The problem is that there is no balance. There could be a woman who hates men or hates other women who believes in traditional feminine roles such as being a stay at home mom. You can be a feminists and still support other women. Also men can be feminists too and that role is not shown enough in television/movies.
I think brooklyn 99 and parks and rec are really good at showing male feminists
@@askhjshsgshs4608 ew. How often do they apologize for being male a season?
@@christopherbrown2706 I seriously cannot recall 1 time, it may have passed me by, when did they do this??
@@lemonwedge5209 I 100% agree. I read alot and I see this in practically every book where the female protagonist "Is nOt liKe OtHer Girls" and hates any girl that likes girly things. It's unoriginal, annoying and exhausting.
@@askhjshsgshs4608 IDK, that's why I asked
Whats interesting, is that apparently in real life Peggy Schuyler was the 'wingwoman' if you like who helped Alexander Hamilton get Eliza's heart; as Angelica was already married to John Barker Church. But also whats interesting is that Angelica was seen a beautiful and smart to many men, but in a non-threatening way to her society. Unlike Peggy Schuyler who apparently was too 'whiny' and 'feisty'/'ferocious' to men and how society at the time. I find it interesting how in the musical it presents Angelica as the modern feminist but it was more likely Peggy, who just because she doesn't have a relationship with Hamilton, really is made fun of.
it still astounds me that in 2020 the work feminist is a bad word. I am proud to be a feminist. I don't hate men but i fight for women. I fight for women to have equal pay and job opportunities especially in more male sectors like the sciences or engineering. I fight for women to have full autonomy over their own bodies. I fight for survivors of abuse, assault or harassment to be believed. I fight for period products to be free. I will keep fighting for women not to be judged for not wanting children. For the desexualisation of teen girls bodies and the end of stupid dress codes in schools. the fact that these are still alien concepts and that a feminist has to be a man hating, unfeminine, loud, strong woman is dumb. If a woman sees her self as a feminist then she is a feminist. but just remember your feminism has to include all women. including women with disabilities, women of colour, trans women. don't be a TERF and don't be racist or ableist. And remember you can be a feminist and still be more traditionally feminine. you can be a feminist and like pink and cute pretty thing. you can be a feminist and be a stay at home mum. Feminism is not one size fits all. to quote Emma Watson "Feminsim is not a stick in which to beat other women with. Feminism is about freedom, it's about liberation, it's about choice"
Feminism has historically been racist and the suffragettes only fought for the right for white women to vote. Intersectional feminism has a long way to go.
strontiumXnitrate bruh,you’re so pressed about feminism💀 Jesus...are you having fun by responding to every comment 💀
@strontiumXnitrate i don't hate men. i stated the reasons why I am a feminist. you are jut small minded and don't see the reasons why we need feminism and again i stated the reasons above. maybe if you educated yourself you would understand the need for feminism better rather that shooting it down all the time.
@@transfemme5749 totally. every human rights movement has a long way to go but progress has been made and as long as we keep fighting and keep educating ourselves and the world around us intersectional feminism can start happening.
@strontiumXnitrate feminism is not about hate. Its about empowerment. And yes like with every political movement there are those that do take it too far and abuse the movement and yes there are those feminists who are extreme and who hate men. There are extreme people in all movements. But i am all about the empowerment side of feminism. The feminism that gives women freedom and autonomy over their lives and the bodies and the minds. Where women have equal pay to men have the same career opportunities especially in male dominated job sectors like science ot engineering or law or sports. I want girls to have free sanitary products so that theybdont have to miss out on their education when they are on their periods. I was schools to get rid of stupid restricting dress codes that shame girls for owning bodies and that perpetuate blame culture for girls. I want victims of abuse, assualt and rape and harassment to be believed and taken seriously. I want women to know that them not wanting to have children isn't a bad thing and doesn't make them less of a women butbi also want to respect those women whonare stay at home mums and who live their lives to look aftet and care for their families. Because its about choice, freedom and liberation. Yes there are extreme feminists but you get extreme people all the time in political movements. You get extreme vegans and environmental warriors. The Pride movement started because of a riot. But is fighting and making a bit of noise for basic human rights rewlly a bad thing? If nobody speak up nothing changes. But then i gues you are an old fashioned kind of guy. You think women should be wives and mothes and home makers and should be seen and not heard and stay in their place and not make noise or draw attention to themselves. You are the one with hate it your heart. I am just a fighter who wants to empower women and give them their voices and their independence and autonomy back. How is this a bad thing?
Can you explore the sister/brother trope:
1. Sisters/brothers that had to be the mom/dad
2. Evil sister/brother
3. Immature/ goofy sister/brother
4. Goody two shoes sister/brother
talia - al - ghul and the older sibling do obsessed with puns they're practically dating puns.
The weirdly too close of a relationship trope
I'd LOVE to hear someone talking about Nani and Lilo from Lilo and Stitch.
But fem fatale ISN’T a feminist, that’s what the whole speech the girls give about Susan B Anthony is about
Sadly They're doing the same thing the media does, they only show what's convenient for their narrative
I cringed at the Fem fatale clip when she mentioned how the ppg didnt have a movie given that latter on they DID had a movie & it bombed so HARD in the boxoffice that it killed any theatrical realeases for a CN cartoon till the Regular Show movie and that one was a limited theaters :/
She's a misandrist.
Femme fatale, depends on the characteristics, can be feminist. She knows her strength, confidence and having intelligence in multiple field.
@@cestalia But her character was explicitly about an utter hatred of men. She used "feminism" to evade prison
I think the thing most writers don’t get is the “complex” part of complex character. Doesn’t matter which trope your using that trope shouldn’t be all of what your character is.
I think people don’t consider that characters are more than one character trait. That’s when there’s a problem. If all someone does is be annoying about specific topics no one will want to be around them. But if someone can set the issues aside to be just a chill person until the topic is brought up then those people will be more willing to listen
this is the only channel that i will let all the ads run fully for because I need these videos to keep on coming!
I've a feeling a ton of these early depictions of feminists on TV and movies are written by men.
You got that right
I would disagree if you go check
To be honest is wish writers and developers will hire psychologist to not offend a community
There you go misandry at its finest true feminism is misandry which your comment proves
They were annoying, so written correctly and accurately.
Feminism is about women being able to do what they want. If you’re hopelessly in love with a man, into makeup and heels, or a housewife that’s your choice. If you wanna grow your armpit hair, not have kids, or present traditionally masculine that’s your choice too. Neither make you a “bad” woman or feminist.
Manophere. com Ummm no bc I (including other women I know) do speak out about the unfair treatment of men in regards to divorce/custody battles, domestic violence, rape, and assault and traditional gender roles. Not everyone is the feminist you see on Tumblr.
DarthYuYevon It is, sweetie. Feminism is abt the equality and liberation of the sexes.
True, although I think we still do need to unpack why people want what they want. Is it because it really makes them happy and well, or is there social pressure to conform and they are just feeling relief that others perceive them as normal? What about class aspiration and how it makes people desire a certain lifestyle? Also, I would say a lot of people don't necessarily get to do what they want, a lot of things are economic choices really. People don't have the money to stay at home with their kids, or they don't earn enough for childcare and get pushed into the 'mummy (or daddy, but it is usually mummy because of the gender pay gap) trap'. Not everyone wants an abortion. They may not be desperately unhappy, but is it really a choice? Maybe it was a choice way, way back, maybe choosing a female dominated profession that you personally love but is more vulnerable to market turmoil, but a lot of working people just get jobs they are physically capable of, it is more of a negotiated end of choice as you get older. When I was growing up, people insisted that feminism was about choice, but in reality that was just avoiding supporting people sufficiently in their different life circumstances. Not everything, like death, maternity, poverty, illness etc is a literal choice imvho.
DarthYuYevon “the political, economic, and SOCIAL equality of the sexes.” That includes holding men and women up to the same standards and allowing women do things that are consider “unsuitable for women” without judgment. Does the dictionary definition have to say verbatim “women doing what they want” for you to recognize that?????
DarthYuYevon Being able to do what you want doesn’t mean “no rules apply to you.” For example no one is saying women should be allowed to do things that directly harm other ppl just bc it’s what they want to do. It just means that if a woman desires to do something that makes her happy and it doesn’t harm others she should be allowed to do that without judgment and so should men. You literally took my statement so literally and are arguing w me abt stuff that no one said. Yes rules apply to men and women but some of those rules are ARBITRARY. That’s the point.
Love love love LOVE this. Awesome content and great that you include a list of all the films shown! Thanks for all you do!!
I’d like to see a video on the portrayal of Muslims in movies and tv.
I always thought of Cruella DeVil as a caricature of a feminist in the 1960s. She makes fun of Roger and Anita, doesn’t like family and children, rejects male authority, etc. The writers took a ‘’feminazi’’ of her time, and made her a her a villain, a DeVil.
Cruella DeVil wants to murder puppies. How do you defend that?
@@djervalevy9784 what? I’m not defending he at all, I’m just saying the writers took a living ‘’trope’’ and turned it into a villain
@@AishInTheHouse Cruella DeVil is less of a feminist and more of a selfish sociopath who will do whatever it takes to achieve her goals, no matter what the costs. She doesn't advocate for women's rights, she just wants to kill innocent animals. I fail to see how you came to this conclusion.
@@djervalevy9784 Cruella is not a feminist at all. I did not say that. I'm saying that writers used badly caricatured notions of feminists back in the day, and made a villain using those tropes. What did society say a it feminists back then? They said that women were rejects of several institutions of society particularly with marriage and family, and that feminists hated men. Cruella does this several times in the film which made me think that the writers drew from life. As this video itself shows, its not unheard of to misrepresent feminists.
She was definitely a feminist in the live-action version. She said too many women had been lost to marriage and that Anita shouldn't squander her talent.
Diane is literally every trope, that's why I love Bojack Horseman.
Peggy carter is the best example of a feminist, she never screamed feminism and women rights but you can see that she was a feminist . She was strong and independent, stylish and even fell in love
Feminism is pushing for inequality
@@nas8350 I always find these comments funny of corse looking in from outside you only see the extreme. They're the ones who draw the attention.
I LOVE your analyses of character tropes/archetypes, and I think it would be cool to see y'all break down genre conventions too! I believe you've done rom coms and superhero movies already, but perhaps explanations of horror, noir, action, etc.
To be fair, I feel the villain from The Powerpuff Girls is a case of a fake feminist who only uses her feminism to only benefit herself. The scene where the women who was hurt by her come out to the girls about how much of a hypocrite she actually is. The girls then give her a history lesson if the woman on the coins she steals and about how she wanted to be held to the same standards in jail as a man. The girls, Miss Bellum and the other women are the real feminists, Fem Fatale was just in it for herself
Yeah she was a fake feminist
@gypsy lab You do realize that that episode was created by Lauren Faust. Research it first before you judge something.
@gypsy lab Lauren Faust is a feminist and a very vocal one, and she and Craig McCracken (the creator of the show) are married. They weren't at the time but they met and started dating during Powerpuff Girls run. Also the show, while still falling into some poorly aged gags and tropes, was still very ahead of its time. The Professor was a single dad who cooked and cleaned without a second thought, there's Miss Belum who's really attractive but also one of the smartest and most cleaver people in the city, and then there's the different female villains who're all memorable in their own way.
Plus the show never displayed any favoratism towards any one kind of femininity nor did it shame others. Blossom is the bookish and smart one, Buttercup is the tomboy, and Bubbles is the sweet and innocent one. Plus, the girls are fucking kids! Of course they arn't always the ones who know best and can sometimes be misguided by outside influences. Feminism also includes putting female criminals behind bars and holding women who abuse the system accountable for their actions. Equal rights, equal fights.
I'd love to see a video on Mrs. America. This is just my interpretation but I see links between her and Serena Joy from The Handmaid's Tale
Also a video on Alice Macray/Bridget Jones, their struggles, insecurities, and the ways they have or can check their privilege.
Also about Pamela and abuse (and how housewives are ripe for exploitation like MLMs)
If I’m remembering correctly the real person inspired the character
@@jackiesanteramo-mead1171 That does not surprise me
Schafly was the inspiration for Serena Joy.
I always loved Kat Stratford and never understood why some people thought she was over the top. She was literally my idol growing up
" if you are not a feminist , you are looking with only one eye open" that is so on point.
Not everyone has to agree with your movement.
Here's something I wouldn't mind seeing your take on. The Bad Girl Trope.
Hi 👋, if you search through their channel, you should come across the video they did on the Bad Girl trope 👍
Akasha J86 it’s on the tough girl trope
Daiane Nguyen has to be one of the best examples of this trope and one of the best characters ever.
I can't stop recommending Mrs. America to everyone I meet. It's a profile in the complex relationships of women, and the nuance and often contradictory nature of the third wave of feminism and the stop-ERA proponents. It explores gender identity and sexuality, the role of women in society in the 1970s, the backroom deals they had to try and charm their way into, and the ultimate fight for equal representation before the law and as enshrined in the Constitution. The cast is stellar, the acting is top notch, and each episode aligns their pro and anti leaders in parallel yet intertwined issues. It's a fantastic historical drama that ties the political activism of the 1970s to the present day, seeing exactly where some of the arguments we are still having today originated from, and why.
Also for a more in-depth movie on Gloria Steinem, Amazon Prime has The Glorias which was another well constructed biopic. Julianne Moore did a fantastic acting job, as did the younger actors who played Gloria in her youth and early career. She's quite the powerhouse activist and still fights for both the rights of women and the rights of Indigenous and tribal communities. I'm so pleased I got to watch both the movie and the tv series with my mom who was in nursing college during the time that the feminist movement was going on. Having her perspective on that time period had us talking until 1 am one night. These shows make the present seem all the more dire given the political climate, as the ERA finally received the threshold 38 states to ratify the amendment, but still needs congressional approval and the president to sign off on it to be added to the Constitution. Depending on where the chips land, it could be dead in the water, or it could usher in a new era of human rights and secure equal representation and protections for women and LGBTQ+.
Ah yes, the feminists from 13 Reasons Why. The show that portrays feminists as women who get naked on football fields.
@strontiumXnitrate me too broski
Feminsim can be that and other things. Don't be so paternalistic.
@@iateyursandwiches I thought the point of feminism was for women to be taken seriously. Plus that comment was more a dig at the fact that 13 Reasons Why sucks at portraying all social issues.
@@vincentsharpe535 you can be naked at a football field and still be taken seriously. you dont have to dress a certain way
@@dragonfartss I disagree, I disagree
Thank you so much for making this video. I am currently a Women and Gender Studies student in university and it makes me so happy to see you implementing feminist theory into your film analysis. It makes concepts like intersectionality more accessible to people outside of the academy. I have also never felt more represented in one of your videos. Thank you from one feminist to another.
Why would you waste your money like that?
@@christopherbrown2706 People read that stuff.
Christopher Brown because my degree has the ability to create real and meaningful change in the world. Although I must ask why would you even ask such a question in the first place?
@@izrafs2762 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 how and where? What does training yourself to be permanently offended at everything get you?
@@izrafs2762 and what jobs can you get with it? What gender studies majors did ANYTHING of note?
Please could you do a video analysis on Mrs. America? I loved that show and I found it interesting how Phyllis Schlafly, who is a conservative and diehard anti-feminist, turns a blind eye to her own experiences of sexism in a bid to not become the feminists she hates the most.
It seems that Schlafly was the biggest feminist of them all.
I've read a very insightful analysis in Vox (I think?) about the character's motivations. It was a means to an end. After all, what she really wanted was a seat in government, and she could only win political influence through opposing the ERA. Mrs. Schlafly thought that she could be the exception. I think this closely aligns with the "girl boss bad feminist" trope discussed in the video, where one woman looks out only for herself, sometimes by pushing down other women to do so.
Can someone tell me the name pf the show at 6:54 please?
I know there's a list in the description but I googled myself into oblivion finding it myself
the tiny thing that pisses me off so much is
male character: [does thing that is obviously not bc the other character is a girl]
female character: iS iT bEcAuSe iM a GiRL?????1??
I’m a proud feminist. I love women and I love men. To oppress women is a loos loos situation for the whole world. Everybody should want a better world and feminism is the key.
DarthYuYevon feeling superior to everyone tonight, are we? So you are the only good person and we feminists are just inferior to you! oh great leader of all people. You are just funny. Did you smoke something?
@DarthYuYevon How do we not "follow Feminism". It seems like you don't know what it is, which is just embarrassing.
@DarthYuYevon Feminism is not something we 'follow'. It's not a cult or a religion. It's a belief. It seems as if *you* are the one who doesn't understand feminism, not us!
DarthYuYevon hey, please look at the comments other people wrote to you. You post confusing anti-feminist and somehow pro equality post in a RUclips section. You knew that you will get a lot of comments from people for trolling. I feel for you, not getting any attention in real life is hurtful. We have a saying in Germany: some prefer a beating over getting no feelings at all. I really feel for you. I guess you need somebody to talk to about all your stuff but arguing with people in a comment section won’t solve anything. Lots of love ❤️
@DarthYuYevon you really don't have any idea about any of this stuff. I'd suggest you go and actually study these things, especially the academic literature. But we both know you'd rather get your info from the Stefan Molyneux's of the world. You lack academic rigour and knowledge, as well as basic understanding of concepts. I feel sorry for you, being so ignorant.
Literally every point you've made is completely inaccurate.
I love seeing positive take on Feminism on RUclips! From 2015-2018 there was this sub-genre of RUclipsrs called "Anti-SJW/Feminist Red Pilled Skeptics" where they would look for videos of girls saying vaguely feminist things in a Cringy way then create the dreaded, "SJW/Feminist CRINGE Complication #250!" Worst it gave rise to people like Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and Jordan Peterson; who all basically say women are bad if they talk about challenging sexist institutions, social norms and gender roles. And sadly despite being a liberal girl I almost fell for this Anti-SJW/Feminist RUclips nonsense! I learned just cause a few girls had some cringy feminist on the internet takes dose NOT mean to abandon feminism all together! I'm so glad around 2016 I unsubed from all of toxic RUclipsrs!
If anyone wants to listen to some good RUclipsrs with feminist takes; Lindsy Elis, ContraPoints, Philosophy Tube, Kat Black, Maggie Fish, HbomberGuy, Innuendo Studios, Jack Saint, Renegade Cut, and Vaush!
Breadtube is great
@@hexx6120 Yeah! I use to be just very liberal now I'm becoming more of Leftist! Also as a girl I LOVE finally being able to see feminism on better academic point of view!
So why don't you have to take responsibility for shitty feminists?
I love Lindsey and Renegade Cut
@gypsy lab yeah except terfs aren't real feminists
I love how a bunch of people decided to dislike this video just because it had the word feminist in the title.
Yeah.
U are kinda stupid all videos have dislikes s
@@davidcanas7787 A 1/20 dislike to like ratio is a lot, however. 1/100 is more normal, at this ammount of views.
It hurts, it really hurts to see my little brother come up to me to show me tiktoks of women and girls being unfunny, being dramatic, being sensitive when a dude makes a joke about serial rape. and when my mum and I make comments about workplace inequality, being met with, 'eww you guys sound like feminists'. I have tried, I really have put my best effort to educate him and my older brother of real feminist issues and keep them away from that 'not all men' mindset. But when feminists are shat on in every show or movie as delusional women and the quiet successful woman who will never align herself with the movement hailed as perfect, the unlearning of all I have taught them happens in a flash. And I find myself back at square one. If I can't even get my own brothers to see the bigger picture than how am I gonna convince anyone else?
So you are subjecting your little brother into more leftist brainwashing? You people complain that feminism is seen as a dirty word, have you taken a step back and see why that is?
Stop trying to change your brothers; it's a waste of your time and energy. Leave them alone and focus on yourself.
@LifeAsAPopTartWithCripplingDepression Funny how they don't see the hypocrisy.
@@pieynot9084 I really get pissed off when feminists act surprise when people hate their movement I think they should take a good look at their actions.
I think to find a middle ground between more "pop-feminists" and rather radical feminists, we shouldn't see their worldviews as opposites but different stages.
It's important to face and work on women's issues (that are influenced from the past) now. And after we have done that, we should focus on getting rid of the idea of what a woman is, or should be.
gypsy lab based
@strontiumXnitrate cash flowing from where? I am a feminist, too. Please tell me where feminists are getting cash from since you seem to know so much about us.
Feminism is a joke. Men and women are equal and feminism is fighting to change that
@@nas8350 ok not exactly, but we are more similar than we are different and I agree with the feminist thing
I like Noora from Skam, I feel like she’s a great example of feminism.
So do i! Her season really showed how much she struggled with her ideas of not giving anything up for a boy and also falling in love with a boy that one of her friends liked. I thought it was really well done bc she is still a feminist regardless, it's about how you view the world. No one has a perfectly feminist day everyday, sometimes i'm too tired to yell at a catcaller ok?! 😂😂
I always thought it was weird that she was apologetic towards william when she thought she was assaulted even though it wasn’t her fault and she knew that. She didn’t really stand up for herself and chased after him :(
D Duy I felt like Noora really loved William and that’s why she went after him, and she did confront william’s brother for the assault situation, she was really broken down when she thought she cheated on William, but her best friends & esklid helped her.
@@diannaa.62 oh definitely i agree with you! I think she clearly isn't a perfect feminist, and those scenes were really showcasing how her being in love kinda overshadowed everything she professed to believe in in s1 and i think that was the point? but i still think she feels that same way but she definitely in my opinion sacrificed a lot for a boy who isn't that great (moving to london with him etc)
Sophie Butterill yea I mean in American skam she did voice out what I wanted her to in the original and that william responded a bit better
I really like how you dig into this tropes in a way that doesn't create unnecessary controversy since you are covering it in the movies and TV world. I think normalizing this discussion is a healthy thing to do and the more real the fictional characters get the better it merges you onto the story.
I'm 60 years old and never been married or in a relationship for more than one month in my life and I have no kids. I don't want those things and never have. I always wanted to be free to do what, when, how and so forth without the validation of anyone. I feel free and empowered. I meet people every day and I love being with all kinds of people discussing all kinds of topics but no one will tell me it's time to turn out the lights and go to bed or that I can't eat potato chips or cookies for breakfast. It's something you grow into and you are so grateful for when you realize you can do whatever you like all the time.
I think deep down you want a man to tell you no, lol.
the fox and the grapes
I'd love to see your take on how jewish people are portraide in movies and tv 🌼
דניה דרדיקמן I second this! I would love to see Jewish American Princesses deconstructed
I’m not Jewish but I feel like Jewish people tend to be portrayed as like “lovable nerd” types? It might be confirmation bias? Idk
Like eternal victims who can never do wrong and be bigoted?
@@prettyrat. women and men are portrayed very differently. I think a lot of Jewish men are portrayed as nerdy and funny, but deeply insecure. Women are portrayed as high maintenance, annoying and precocious.
I think feminism still has a long way to go. As long as it's commodified, both women and men will be gaslit about what it is and what it's aims are, leading to confusion. For me, feminism means remembering femininity & femaleness are inherently complex, which means every woman has worth as her true genuine self as a human being. As for all the female tropes, they all have in common that display of a woman's emotions are used to disprove her intellect or real issues in the world.
Why should I support a movement of people who make things up as they go along?
@gypsy lab My comment literally seperated femininity (gender) and sex (femaleness). My comment includes EVERYONE, cis & trans, and in the first place, pink & blue is a false dichotomy, so you can take your dogwhistling elsewhere. I said what I said.
@@christopherbrown2706 Literally all movements do that - adapt to the changing world & incorporate other beliefs with it. Your argument is based on nothing but insecurity and therefore invalid. Try again.
@@FabalociousDee you're right; I misspoke.
Why should I support a movement that claims to be societal, but changes its narratives and aims for immediate personal convenience?
@@christopherbrown2706 Again, there are people within EVERY movement who do that. People who are serious about equality don't want or need you anywhere near their movement. So relax.
I'd love some in-depth analysis on the different characters in Downton Abbey, like you did with The Office! It's one of my favorite shows and the characters are so interesting.
I find it very hard to call myself a feminist, in the same way I find it hard to advocate for men’s problems. I find it easier to just state my position than label myself for someone else to misunderstand.
I believe in equal rights and equal opportunity. I believe we have some problematic issues around how we raise our boys and girls in society. Can I be a feminist and still call for fairer custody rulings in divorce that currently highly favours mothers? Can I be a feminist while talking about the high suicide rate for men? Can I be a feminist, but disagree that there is a pay gap, or that I don’t think in the West we live in a patriarchy? I think after talking to me, many women would call me a feminist, but many wouldn’t. Can I be a feminist while being horrified that a local school made their boys stand up and apologise for all the bad things men have done to women?
My favourite politician is a woman, my favourite CEO is a woman, because of what they’ve done and how brilliant they are. Women can have children or not, focus on career or family or both, I don’t care. But when people start talking about how cold air conditioning is sexist, it should be considered rape if a woman changes her mind well after deciding to and finished having sex with someone, how the pay gap is provided as proof of sexism by just dividing earnings by men/women without taking into account personal choices, biology or preferences at all - it just doesn’t make sense. If you support women, then support those who want to be stay at home mums as much as those who don’t want kids and want to be bosses. If you support women choosing to be stay at home mums, then you’re supporting a pay gap, if just dividing men/women’s earning!
I feel like the radicals have taken over the label and pushed it into unreasonable extremes to where the messaging pushes men away from the label.
I am a feminist, but maybe not by your definition.
"Feminist FC3 090120 SEQ GR v24"
OK
Ian Cook one of the take ladies is kidnapped and trying to send us a message
Elon Musk, is that you?
@@Angel-te2jt lol they already changed the title - someone is being silenced!
Haha, are they trying to send us submimal messages?! 😉🤣
Lol it's still showing that in my notifications
When you're so early the title is just like a file name 😅
I know, I was so confused, but then I read the actual video caption, and it made sense! 😂
Lol, so i wasn't the only one.
What was the earlier title?
@@nihalsamin_ It was just a series of numbers and codes. 😂
@Nihal S Amin
Feminist FC3 090120 SEQ GR v24
I'm a woman who loves makeup and pretty outfits and jewelry and getting my nails and hair done, and my goal in life is to be a stay at home mom. But I also need to be respected and trusted as a human being by my partner, because I consider myself an intelligent and valuable person. I don't think my career or schooling should determine who I am as a person, but rather my thoughts and actions.
@Glenna Smith The thing is, I don't want a career or a business. I've worked full time for 8 years in a job I love and it still just isn't for me. It isn't what makes me feel happy and fulfilled. I believe that if I am willing to be the main caretaker and housekeeper, then my husband should have no problem with being the main money maker. Just as the child and nice house and home cooked meals will be both of ours, the money will be both of ours. I'm in no way naive or unaware of the fact that no relationship is perfect, but I do believe that two people can make a relationship work so long as they are both putting constant and consistent work into both their relationship and the jobs they've decided to do.
@Glenna Smith I am a feminist too, and I agree. That is my only objection I have to being a married stay at home mom. You are essentially giving most of the power to the husband, while leaving yourself vulnerable. There are husbands that are true to their wives of course, however so many can ending up cheating and being abusive and know that the wife has no recourse because she decided to stay home and raise the kids instead of acquiring employable skills, which cultivates for her more of a fear of leaving than a fear of staying with a cheating or abusive spouse. And even if she hopes that he might "change" one day, all it will do is enable him to continue because he knows that she has nowhere else to go and she fears what will happen to her children.
This is why I think that it's important that stay at home moms not kill any ambition outside of having a family in case she needs it. Family is a very important and top priority, but a woman who revolves her whole human worth 100% around it might be asking for trouble.
And I say that, it is important that a woman vets whatever man she wants to be in a long term relationship with. What are his values. And also just as important is how he treated women in the past because if he has mistreated women in the past, that indicates a toxic mindset towards the gender as a whole, even if the guy comes off as nice. In general, seeing where his head is at is the most important.
I never got the smile thing can someone help me understand. I've been told all my life to " smile" by both women and men when I've had a neutral face. Never took offense to it. I've never said that to anyone but I don't see why it would be offensive?
Can you talk about indigenous representation in film and TV? I feel like they are some of the most underrepresented people.
*suggestion:* the Latin Lover Trope.
Yessss
Yes please, Hispanics are often typecast as being "alluring" or "sexy", and it would be fascinating to find out the origin of this Trope. 😁
@@trinaq Rudolph Valentino, as far as cinema. (He was Italian)
@@trinaq yesss and if you mix it with sexism, you discovered sexual harassment to you just because you're latina and you are supposed to be hot
I've never seen it, can you give examples
It’s interesting to see characters crossover between videos
Some feminist movies are satisfying, other half are just story of disturbing "badass" "fearless" hating men female character. I am dissapointed that almost every feminist character nowadays always pictured as a woman who likes to fight, anti feminine and noisy (screaming for really no reason) like girl, being feminine doesn't mean she can't stand up for herself and being noisy for no fucking reason is really cringe
Love your work, The Take! I really appreciate you acknowledging key issues like intersectionality and the corporatisation and co-opting of feminism. I've got to watch Mrs. America.
I'd love a video on The Female Gaze, specifically as it relates to Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
That is why I love Sybil from downton abbey. She is strong, sweet, caring and ambitious. You can be all actually.... Everyone is a unique, complex person and it is lovely if feminists are portrayed that way too. Great video :)
Glad you mentioned her. I love Sybil.
Thanks so much for doing this video, it makes me really happy. I have to go share it now.
In that Powerpuff Girls Episode, wasn't the lesson to beware of those that would co-opt a good movement? As in the both the female role model characters called out the villain's bull and the fact that she was a hypocrite , they beat her, and the story ends with them explaining the importance of Susan B. Anthony demanding equal treatment under the law. I feel like you missed the point of the character.
You should do videos on animal stereotypes. Like how cats are portrayed ECT.
I would like to see a video of you analyzing how movies reflected the feminist movements that influenced ideas and tropes in movies. For example the 1st feminist movement - silent moves in the 20s, 2nd feminist movement - 60s and 70s films, etc.
What's your take on men's rights and Petter Pan syndrome. And could take how Feminist is portrades as we just hate😤 men or incels. Could be written as projecting. Especially comparing Petter Pan syndrome to the problem woman
This should required viewing for a beginners guide into feminism and representation in media. I absolutely love how you touched on intersectionality into the convo. Femisnism should be treated as a living concept, always growing and evolving to encompass more diverse voices into the convo in an equally evolving and diverse world.
Heinous B*tch is the term used most often.
I don't care how many times I see 10 things I hate about you, that line always has me on the floor😂😂😂
Unless "feminism" means female domination, using that quote from Marston is in poor form. Marston actually believed that the world would eventually flip around, and instead of a patriarchy, or equality, we would have a world ruled by women, a gynocracy... though, even then, his idea of women was still a box that not all women fit into.
@Nectar Vam Pretty much, but he didn't believe in female equality, but female supremacy.
It's Matriarchy.
@@zak-of-all-trades9638 Except that Matriarchy, as defined, in most dictionaries, implies that their familial position is of importance. A gynocracy has no such limitation.
Patriarchy doent exist
Feminsm is men hating
Man this comment section is a dumpster fire of people who just want to argue...
This was a great introduction to feminism in the media! While I am not a fan of the patronizing takes on girl power feminism that seems to be popular now, I'm just trying to take it as a positive sign that we are moving towards more female characters that are written and rounded in complex ways. I definitely feel like there's been an increase in my lifetime of interesting, diverse female narratives and hope that this trend continues.
I like arguing for the sake of arguing, it's so much fun.
right? normally i like to turn comments on newest first, but this time...pass😅
however the takes comment section tends to be a fairly positive and discussion-fueled space, and i think if u compare these comments to ANY other video talking about feminism’s comments, thats still pretty true!
It would be great if you guys could write what show is shown in the video because the names in the Infobox don't really show time stamps
Lol this hit me very emotionally! I live in a world where pursuing your passions is too "risky" and people you love look down on you because you are doing things outside of just getting a "safe" job and starting a family. We live in a world (at least in southern Canada) where you can quite literally design a life for yourself in any way you want. So why is it shameful as a woman to do just that? Why is it shameful as a human being to do just that. To me, the thing that is most risky is NOT designing the life of your dreams.
Rachael Dennis I hate it when people look down on you because you pursued a non safe job , or you did not start a family , people should have freedom which path they should choose . It’s not only a problem on women but men also have this problem. I feel sad but I won’t give up . I’ll follow my dreams .
I cringed at the Fem fatale clip when she mentioned how the ppg didnt have a movie given that latter on they DID had a movie & it bombed so HARD in the boxoffice that it killed any theatrical realeases for a CN cartoon till the Regular Show movie and that one was a limited theaters release :/
@Lesbian Amazon Sister yes
early viewers be like "Feminist FC3 090120 SEQ GR v24"??????????
Im yet to find ANY piece of media where the feminist doesn't abandon her believes for a man, is mocked on or vilified... I accept recommendations.
The thing i dont like about the trope, is "Saying" she is a feminist but not acting like one and that becomes preachy.
Its like Ellen Ripley saying out loud that she strong, intelligent, badass WOMAN and then she does nothing.
No, she SHOWS she is strong, intelligent and fucking badass, you believe her and that is why she is one of the best female characters ever made.
I only watched the first alien movie, but Ripley seemed kinda bland in it.
I've been waiting for this one!!
When a Man expresses his opinions: "He's just saying it like it is."
When a woman does it:
"She's just being preachy, she clearly has no clue what she's talking about." 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Broken Deity
That’s not true lmao, men can be just as rude and as confrontational as they want and they won’t be demonized or beat up because of it. How often do you get assaulted for saying something controversial as a man?
When a Woman hits a Man: He probably did something to deserve.
When a man does the same (even in self defence): He’s an abuser. 🙄🤦🏿♂️
If everyone is fine with men expressing opinions, then why do women always dismiss it as "mansplaining" or "a typical male"?
Also, many women DO sound preachy when "expressing opinions", invariably from the viewpoint of being inherently right.
Exhibit A: your generalizing-as-FUCK comment here.
Exhibit B: this video.
@@alaaye5237 except for all those men getting canceled, insulted, having thinkpieces written about them and how they're bad and hurt others... also, if you think no man has ever been assaulted because of his words, you're an idiot.
Christopher Brown
I never said that men don’t get beat up for having opinions. What I said is that it doesn’t happen as often as you think. Men are not oppressed by women, men are the oppressors. And there was no need to call me an idiot. If you’re that upset over my comment then you should take a walk and calm down lmao
for me feminism means that i am free to be who i am.
I dont have to act a certain way , i don't have to wear something specific or to have a certain orientation.
I can be myself.
you don't have to be a feminist to do that honey
How many Feminist's does it take to change a light bulb????
None, they can't change anything!!!!!!
@Feminist ManHater I AM WOMAN,
HEAR ME WHINE!!!!!!!
@Feminist ManHater MUCH!!!!!!!!