Did Joe Dart RIP OFF Chic?!

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @arieltz23
    @arieltz23 Год назад +152

    The Vulfpeck song is literally called "3 on E", and its lyrics (as is the melody) are a direct homage to the great bass lines of the past that feature 3 consistent strikes of the E string on the beat, namely "Hollywood Swinging" by Kool & the Gang, "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen, and of course, "Good Times" by Chic and the late legend Bernard Edwards.
    Love them both! Great lesson as always! Thanks Scott and Ian!

    • @tomebasic2843
      @tomebasic2843 Год назад +3

      Don't forget I need you Tonight by INXS. And yeah, the idea that you can "steal" a rhythm patern is ridiculous

    • @WildWildWeasel
      @WildWildWeasel Год назад +2

      That song is a gigantic tribute, not a ripoff...and it's actually super enjoyable.
      Then again, what Vulfpeck/TFF song isn't enjoyable?

    • @La_sagne
      @La_sagne 10 месяцев назад

      did you just repeat the intro of the video?

  • @Discophonic
    @Discophonic Год назад +150

    Did Joe Dart RIP OFF Chic?! yes, next question ! Seriously who has never ripped off Chic

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад +10

      Lars Ulrich

    • @Mark-db1ok
      @Mark-db1ok Год назад +6

      Solid point! And if you haven't ripped off a little Bernard Edwards yet, why not??

    • @adamgreenhill110
      @adamgreenhill110 Год назад +2

      Another One Bites the Dust!

    • @spacedaddy5517
      @spacedaddy5517 Год назад

      Not me, I stole Chics bike and I been pedaling it ever since.

    • @martinheath5947
      @martinheath5947 11 месяцев назад

      And Francis Rocco Prestia

  • @rome8180
    @rome8180 Год назад +56

    That chromatic walk-up from the 2nd to the 3rd is one of Joe's favorite moves. You can find it all over his bass lines.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад +4

      It's from the OG of the "3 on E" bass lines. The song that started it all - Kool & The Gang's "Hollywood Swinging" from 1973.

    • @XanBcoo
      @XanBcoo Год назад +2

      I use it all the time now because of him

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад

      @@XanBcoo Me too!

    • @lidiaspazzard
      @lidiaspazzard Год назад

      @@XanBcoo Yep, me too.

    • @coreyshafarman8918
      @coreyshafarman8918 Год назад +2

      That’s a bass funk trope. One of the reasons Joe Dart is so cool is because he takes those old tropes and modernizes them

  • @pamelamcanulty5236
    @pamelamcanulty5236 Год назад +13

    The second fill part calls me back to Weather Report’s Birdland a bit. Does anyone else hear that?

  • @exhpv
    @exhpv Год назад +16

    Can you guys please do a video on the genius of Bernard Edwards! SO many amazing basslines! Thinking Of You by Sister Sledge being my favourite!

  • @craigridley9618
    @craigridley9618 Год назад +6

    Though it comes with ernie ball cobalt flats, Joe plays with Thomastik infeld jazz flats on the musicman- 👀bright red silks.
    That’s the full scale version- the shorty has a pickguard.
    Always happy to hear more vulf appreciation in the world!

  • @shannonmcmackin4665
    @shannonmcmackin4665 Год назад +6

    Interestingly, if you get a chance to see Vulfpeck's performance at Bonaroo, they actually kick off 3 on E with a medley of all the songs you pointed out here. I heard that and immediately recalled this episode. Good stuff...

  • @doctersound9630
    @doctersound9630 6 месяцев назад +2

    More VULFPECK please! (And maybe some more PRIMUS! LETS GO!) - You two THUMP! Love the longer videos as well... So much awesome content here! Cheers from Canada!

  • @BARTFUNKBASS
    @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад +16

    1979 till early 1980s was an "3 on E" bass line era. If you dig deep you'll find dozens of bass lines that are similar to "Good Times". Lately, it's hip again to use it. Just check Dua Lipa's "Break My Heart", Doja Cat's "Say So" or Justin Timberlake's "Can't Stop The Feeling".

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 Год назад +2

      You could add Justin's "Rock Your Body" to that list.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад +2

      @@christopherweise438 Woody - the keyboard player from Vulfpeck made one too. It's called Woody and Jeremy - "Fat Boys in the Gym of Love": ruclips.net/video/oxBxv5fDgf8/видео.html

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 Год назад +2

      @@BARTFUNKBASS - The entire "Vulf" universe is incredible. I went down the "Fearless Flyers" rabbit hole and never emerged.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS Год назад +1

      @@christopherweise438 I also listened to more Fearless Flyers than Vulfpeck. Hard to believe I haven't heard of Nate Smith before.

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 Год назад +1

      @@BARTFUNKBASS - Same here.....and i'm a drummer. Dude has a pocket so deep there are Chilean miners trapped in it.

  • @Matt-Hurin
    @Matt-Hurin Год назад +5

    Everyone has.. Nard will always be the 🐐...Always 🤘🏼, Nard Nile and Tony are the Holy Trinity of rhythm sections

  • @BenD_Bass
    @BenD_Bass Год назад +8

    Kool and the Gang - "Hollywood swinging" is another dope 3 on E bassline and Joe Dart is my favorite bass human

    • @MiddleMalcolm
      @MiddleMalcolm Год назад +1

      Direct influence on "Good Times". Family connection with Nile. ❤

  • @bassimprovjams3772
    @bassimprovjams3772 Год назад +7

    Luv that Wal!!!!

  • @gkournavos
    @gkournavos Год назад +6

    Nice vid as always guys. Plus, Wal basses have never had the love they deserved over the decades. That one is an absolute beauty. Why not teach people parts of Brand X's Wal to Wal? That's be pretty cool.

    • @ArtbyJoeH
      @ArtbyJoeH Год назад +1

      Add 'fretless' to that!

  • @willb1157
    @willb1157 Год назад +1

    That "horn Line" IT'S BARNY MILLER!!!!! Hear it in there? I'm not sure about "to each his own". the timbre changes, and at least on viol family instruments or acoustics (me = double bass) there are often instructions as to wha is where. Rabbath has a piece that is "call and response" that is the same phrase played at different places (same notes) and it's such an obvious difference. Even here I hear it....I really try to find out fingerings if I am playing something composed by someone else........I'll get my coat. But GREAT VID! thank you Bald Brothers.

  • @Basslick
    @Basslick Год назад +1

    Yes! What everyone else shared with a little bit of the theme from the old tv show "Barney Miller"..... its a lotta little bit of everything...such joy!

  • @B0BHW
    @B0BHW Год назад +4

    Nice unison playing guys!

  • @TommyGBassChannel
    @TommyGBassChannel Год назад +2

    Yes, but I also need a tutorial for how to move the neck, exactly like he does! 🤗

  • @Maxiamaru
    @Maxiamaru Год назад +2

    The end of that second part sounds like the seasame street theme to me for some reason

    • @rome8180
      @rome8180 Год назад +1

      Well, the melody of that part of the Sesame Street theme is also based around a dominant scale.

  • @6lillium
    @6lillium Год назад

    Every great artist is a magpie at heart. How they apply it is what sets them apart......

  • @Pladderkasse
    @Pladderkasse Год назад +2

    I don't think I've ever payed an original bass line in my life, even in bands where we made original music. Everything seems to have been done under the sun, when you dig deep enough.

  • @spacedaddy5517
    @spacedaddy5517 Год назад

    2:36 This is hilarious when Scott shows us how to not play it : ). The creativity though.

  • @wavryder6ft
    @wavryder6ft Год назад +1

    Love the Rocky Horror long sleeve...

  • @samuelemeryjiujitsu
    @samuelemeryjiujitsu Год назад +2

    I love this title. My first thought was "GOD THAT WOULD BE AWESOME IF HE DID!"

  • @MarcusN-kp1jn
    @MarcusN-kp1jn Год назад +4

    Everyone "steals". Even Jaco did, and admitted to it. You just gotta steal with style, and that involves adding your personal touch to whatever riff you're borrowing from, and developing it further. And that's harder than it sounds.

    • @willb1157
      @willb1157 Год назад

      NO! I don't ever "Steal". That's why You have never heard of me! . I think it's impossible not to do it even unconsciously. We may not even be aware that we ever heard whatever it is. It's happened loads to me.

  • @GregSB1
    @GregSB1 Год назад +4

    How about Hollywood Swinging?

  • @m1kr0kosmos
    @m1kr0kosmos Год назад

    Béla Bartók bit Beethoven’s 13th & 14th string quartet intros but only the beginning. I think if someone borrows a motif and takes it somewhere else, that’s in tradition of how things have always been.

  • @stevenpipes1555
    @stevenpipes1555 Год назад +2

    I like those other songs of course, but i LOVE 3 On E so much! Joe is a killer, Cory is one of the best players out there, Antwan Stanley is near the top of my deserted island list of singers. And if all that isn't the coolest ever, lets throw Theo in there too, just to make sure we blow the top off of the meter!

  • @davidbragg4972
    @davidbragg4972 Год назад +2

    Nice Wal 🎸👌

  • @jeffreyyyy3052
    @jeffreyyyy3052 Год назад +1

    Jaco pastorius Victor wooten James jamerson, a bit of flea stanley clark etc etc. People like us who play music instead of songs on an instrument sometimes speak the same words.

  • @gregorymoore1210
    @gregorymoore1210 Год назад

    Nailed the basic structure down in about ten hours. Working on timing now…

  • @adamwalcott_official
    @adamwalcott_official Год назад +1

    Please, Ian and Scott: lets see a video tribute to the late Ray Shulman of Gentle Giant.

  • @danielpalmersofficial
    @danielpalmersofficial Год назад

    Most of the bass lines I know have that open E string thing, I always expect to hear it. ✌️😙

  • @zprince4120
    @zprince4120 Год назад +1

    Is it just me or does That fill in the second higher part sounds like something taken from the Barny Miller theme?

  • @awiems
    @awiems Год назад

    you guys together, rock!!

  • @dorssberube
    @dorssberube Год назад +1

    Bernard is the man! I love Chic, love Vulf also! Joe❤!🤌🏻

    • @willb1157
      @willb1157 Год назад

      Bernard was once asked what strings he used...he said whatever came on the bass, and he had never changed them - ("Good Times" Riff). He IS the man. All in his fingers.

  • @jaco944
    @jaco944 9 дней назад

    He’s also paying homage to the Barney Miller Theme. 4:22

  • @jamesbeard
    @jamesbeard Год назад

    That Wal sounds killer

  • @meeamee
    @meeamee Год назад

    good times is the greatest dance song of all time so I dont blame him no. he’s really good at revisiting classics, like he did with dean town

  • @hhamilton1970
    @hhamilton1970 Год назад

    Such good stuff

  • @pablofichaje
    @pablofichaje 10 месяцев назад

    Break my Heart by Dua Lipa is also a 3 on E bassline

  • @toddh2152
    @toddh2152 Год назад +1

    Sounds like barney miller theme

  • @craighill3715
    @craighill3715 Год назад +2

    So has John Taylor, John Deacon, Guy Pratt. If you're trying to get people dancing Bernard Edwards is about as good as they get. I plan on ripping him off at a wedding next week😂

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er Год назад

    It's important to remember that music is a continuum, and that it's incredibly rare for an artist to reinvent an instrument. It's expected to borrow or outright steal to bring things into one's playing. For me, that's totally fine. What I find more annoying is that fans of certain bands might worship a particular musician thinking they're a unique and generational talent, when really they're getting plaudits for ripping off DFA1979, or copping Francis Rocco Prestia licks.

  • @skonatrix
    @skonatrix Год назад

    Hi Scott Could you please go over a tutorial on a tune called LOAD by the bassist LABEX?

  • @rubensleite9384
    @rubensleite9384 Год назад +3

    It's Joe Dart's time 😊😊😊 !

  • @dlannom04
    @dlannom04 Год назад +1

    Cantina Band!!! Love it!

  • @icon777771
    @icon777771 Год назад

    Awesome guys. Could you cover Shalamars There it is bass line please I believe another song in E if I’m not mistaken? Cheers

  • @virgilrytaar9083
    @virgilrytaar9083 9 месяцев назад

    Please have a look at Pretty Green by The Jam, simple but perfect

  • @synthonaplinth5980
    @synthonaplinth5980 Год назад

    He also paid homage to Rocco Prestia on 'Dean Town'.

  • @viplimosvip9119
    @viplimosvip9119 Год назад

    Hello I can hear the first part sounds like kool and the gang Hollywood swinging and the second part sound like the bass line for the start up song on barnyard Miller old TV show that what I hear don't think anything was stolen just great bass lines

  • @ThomCate
    @ThomCate Год назад

    OK, that Tattooine cap. I need it. Where can I find it? Please, and thank you.

  • @emmanuelacharithayamim3627
    @emmanuelacharithayamim3627 Год назад

    A Wal and an Antigua Jazz, what’s next?

  • @austinstyles6393
    @austinstyles6393 6 месяцев назад

    It’s also has some “Barney Miller” theme song flavorings in it.

  • @UOFKfan100
    @UOFKfan100 Год назад

    Antwaun Stanley explains in the lyrics 3 on E is an ancient funk secret passed down orally lol. This video is just more proof of that concept 🤣 vulfpeck being musically prophetic yet again

  • @jonartan4754
    @jonartan4754 Год назад +1

    When the theft is blantant it should be a homage/tribute, which is a complement that directs people to the original innovator. Keeping quiet implies youre happy letting people believe you did the hard work. Give credit where it is due or add enough of your own thing to make it yours.

  • @Blakeadam52
    @Blakeadam52 Год назад

    Joes neck is what provides 50% more groove than other players

  • @jonsidell3338
    @jonsidell3338 Год назад +1

    I’d use any excuse to play that Wal. Shoot a “Joe Dart plays funk” video, deal!

  • @WalterDiamond
    @WalterDiamond Год назад +1

    You get a like for the horrible dad joke at the end.

  • @kristianwichmann9996
    @kristianwichmann9996 Год назад

    Come for the funky bass lines, stay for the dad math joke

  • @Uncle--Fatty
    @Uncle--Fatty Год назад

    Thank Goodness the Smell 0 Vision is out of commission... Happy Dads Day Fellas..!!

  • @Nugmania1
    @Nugmania1 Год назад

    Boys, Big brother weighing in, you can tell that Joe listened to Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, from the last part of riff starting in E.
    It’s Tears of a Clown

  • @ErixSamson
    @ErixSamson Год назад

    This Wall is a monster!

  • @davidfox7983
    @davidfox7983 Год назад

    Influence nothing else.. great line to from Joe

  • @V.Cole111
    @V.Cole111 Год назад +1

    it's jack stratton who composed this bassline

  • @thomp9054
    @thomp9054 Год назад

    Cory Wong has one of the best touring bands out right now
    They are all insane monster players

  • @tc860
    @tc860 Год назад +3

    Honestly, if you dont rip off some chic when playing funk, you might be doing something wrong 😂

  • @1lug
    @1lug Год назад

    @nd pass sounds like a small tribute to the TV show Barney Miller theme song.

  • @diegoyonamine8943
    @diegoyonamine8943 Год назад

    Another awesome jam +class ,
    But really , Ive to say ut
    bad decision on title , thumb

  • @JMGilberto
    @JMGilberto Год назад

    There's 11 notes, no one is gonna play anything new, nothing can really be called stealing at this point anymore...music is just fusing, influencing, and evolving. Musically paying tribute to your influences in the open by musical homage should be encouraged. I think Jellyfish was the first band to openly wear all of their musical influences on their sleeves; Here's some Beatles, here's some Who, here's some Queen...

  • @BYLRPhil
    @BYLRPhil Год назад +5

    But didn’t everyone kind of rip off everyone else?

    • @McDoinky
      @McDoinky Год назад

      Yeah but they're clickbaiting so it's irrelevant

    • @KiraPlaysGuitar
      @KiraPlaysGuitar 2 месяца назад

      'Everything is a remix'

  • @fs_dave
    @fs_dave 2 месяца назад

    You cut the ocarina!

  • @alwoo
    @alwoo Год назад

    All these songs came after good times

  • @dctbass
    @dctbass Год назад

    I've been playing bass since 1983. Still not very well. But something I have consistently fought against;
    Bass Players Neck.
    That swan like movement.
    So uncool! 😁
    Just tap your foot ffs! 😁

  • @tonylewis1803
    @tonylewis1803 Месяц назад

    EVERYONE has ripped BE!

  • @MadMagicPaul
    @MadMagicPaul Год назад +2

    Poor video name guys. The entire "3 on E" thing is clearly a tribute, acknowledging the greats of the past.
    Anyway - didn't Stratton write it? Joe Dart has said in interview that he's a sideman and he plays what he is told.

  • @thomp9054
    @thomp9054 Год назад

    A lot of Vulf songs are homages to classic funk songs.

  • @offbeatbassgear
    @offbeatbassgear Год назад +1

    The bigger ripoff is what they tried to charge for that dumbed-down Joe Dart signature bass from Ernie Ball...

  • @lucasdebarros8712
    @lucasdebarros8712 Год назад +1

    Of course he did! But who didn't?

  • @benoitm9199
    @benoitm9199 Год назад +1

    Did Joe Dart rip off chickens neck move !?

  • @giuseppeguardi991
    @giuseppeguardi991 Год назад

    Bernard is a Master and Joe a little Elf (ridiculous)

  • @rorymckenzie8598
    @rorymckenzie8598 Год назад +2

    Joe Dart's chiropractor has his work cut out for him.

    • @miykaelp5284
      @miykaelp5284 Год назад +1

      yeah, Joe is going to have major neck issues down the line

  • @Tivbassg
    @Tivbassg Год назад

    The Joe Dart bass is based on a Sterling not a Stingray.

  • @camerakungfu
    @camerakungfu Год назад

    That "horn line" is part of the Barney Miller theme song.
    ruclips.net/video/roHYXrLhmHc/видео.html

  • @michaelfowler3187
    @michaelfowler3187 Год назад +2

    I didn't like until the joke at the end

  • @ultramet
    @ultramet Год назад

    Joe Dart probably did rip off Bernard Edwards and Bernard would be proud that his legacy is being carried on by such a great young bassist.

  • @MrKiwiJack
    @MrKiwiJack Год назад

    Three on E has always just sounded like a funkier version of the old Barney Miller TV Theme, especially the ending of each phrase.
    ruclips.net/video/cmiC0C6Dkgo/видео.html

  • @homewithj1
    @homewithj1 Год назад

    Joe dart couldn't touch Benard Edwards on his best day. Also Cleary he's been influenced be Chic.Its funny how black music has always been appropriated by others but is rarely ever celebrated on the same level. Its the Elvis syndrome .Side note I'm not sure where you guys are located . But if you (or anyone else who reads this ) are even in NYC . You should go check out the great Fred Thomas . From the original JB's (James brown) . This man lives in BK and does regular gigs and master classes . Although you get the master class for the cost of entry at one of his regular gigs.

  • @ericpage3693
    @ericpage3693 Год назад

    more like Chic + the theme from Barney Miller.

  • @BenD_Bass
    @BenD_Bass Год назад

    I just noticed Good Times, Another One Bites The Dust, 3 On E, and Hollywood Swinging are all in different keys. I smell an Idea for explaining modes here lol

  • @monkeywithaspanner8494
    @monkeywithaspanner8494 7 дней назад

    Joe is AWESOME, but BERNARD EDWARDS is the source of all this kind if thing, James Jamesrson is amazing, but for this stuff, it's all Bernard

  • @TheDarkKnight73
    @TheDarkKnight73 Год назад

    Hmm either way he is not a favor of mine

  • @garrettlowell7637
    @garrettlowell7637 Год назад

    Did Greenday rip off Chicago? Did Prince rip off James Brown? This list of questions and obvious answers is extremely long.

  • @Nickpaflas
    @Nickpaflas Год назад

    If you're NOT ripping off Bernard Edwards, are you even playing funk bass?

  • @lawrencebyrdsong7570
    @lawrencebyrdsong7570 Месяц назад

    He didn't steal anything. Just playing a musicman with flats thats all

  • @alwoo
    @alwoo Год назад

    😅 sure he did

  • @rickrudd
    @rickrudd 4 месяца назад

    I would call Joe Dart a poseur if he DIDN'T rip off Edwards.

  • @BartekDeGod100
    @BartekDeGod100 Год назад

    I don’t even have to watch the video first to say this: ART. IS. ALL. DERIVATIVE.

  • @Pnanasnoic
    @Pnanasnoic Год назад

    All of their music is derivative and sounds like a warm up jam.

  • @MaliV.Williams
    @MaliV.Williams 2 месяца назад

    U ALL "Rip us OFF"!! LOL!!

  • @bassist789
    @bassist789 Год назад

    Joe Dart and vulfpeck rip off everyone and they know it! It’s a music appreciation project. They aren’t bringing anything new to the musical conversation whatsoever and they’re not trying to.