Treasure Planet - Disney's Biggest Mistake
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2017
- In this video I'm talkin cool about Musker and Clements' way-back sleeper hit from the early 2000's, Treasure Planet, and why it became Disney's biggest mistake. If there's anything I love more than Disney films it's Disney films most of my friends haven't heard of. Love you RonJohn.
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Intro song: windy city- let me ride
really well made video
Just want to let you know this is probably my favorite youtube video of all time
what about the ending song?
Yes I would also want all the song names in this video
This era of Disney is filled with underrated films
Emperors new groove
Atlantis the lost Empire
Treasure planet
I loved those movies as I kid
I grew up with them in my early childhood
I agree with atlantis and treasure planet, perhaps because I didn't grow up with them, but found them to my liking as an adult, while emperors new groove is too childish for me. It may be because these movies killed bad (and good) people while the "worst" thing happening to someone in ENG is transformation: winning in a single fight against a crocodile, falling over a waterfall, there's no fear or excitement about what will happen anywhere in the movie. Just a "boohoo. I'm cold and it's raining" or "bohoo. This person is emperor instead of me" not to mention the devil on his shoulder doing a handstand, and not liking a quiche was the worst insult ever.
Sorry. it's late and I become more caviling the later it gets but I wanted it off my shoulders :P
Have a great day, and continue to enjoy these movies :)
These are actually my favorite childhood movies! So glad that other people love them too
Dont forget Dinosaur
How about Sinbad
Treasure Planet was a legit steampunk space opera and and underrated masterpiece
I KNOW!!!
Facts
I wouldn’t say masterpiece, but is still underrated
@@JV-mm2yf Yeah, even as a die-hard Treasure Planet fan, I gotta admit, it has its flaws mainly pacing.
It has its flaws but it's memorable and I like it for that
What I love about Treasure Planet/Island is that Long John Silver is the most unique "villain"/antihero ever conceived. He's a ruthless pirate, yet has a soft spot.
this! amazingly well written character
really rare
I know this comment is over a year old at the time I'm replying but... I literally just saw the movie last night for the first time and I totally agree. I think instead of "villain" I'd just describe him as an antagonist kind of antihero? Like... maybe he's not necessarily a "villain" but he does butt heads with Jim.
John Silver's character development throughout the film makes me so soft I cannot believe I didn't know about this movie for so long
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen7989 He is a villain. He is the reason behind the movie's conflict, but he's also very sympathetic and he learns a lesson in the end where he learns that there are things more valuable than a whole planet of treasure. He is ruthless, greedy and fiendish and that's why Jim hates him once he learns of his true nature. But at the same time, he set Jim straight by teaching him how to take control of his life instead of just drifting through it. After Silver lets go of his obsession with treasure to save Jim, he recognizes that there are two sides to Silver. One of them is a ruthless pirate and the other one is the closest thing he had to a father.
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen7989 You should watch the Live Action Treasure Island with Eddie Izzard as John Silver. It's both the closest we've seen to Treasure Planet Silver outside of Treasure Planet; *and* it's something of an inversion, where rather than focus so heavily on and expand the character of Jim, it goes the other way and expands on Silver, his relationship with his wife (a briefly mentioned book character) and his ambitions. If you could some how take that characterization and squeeze it into Treasure Planet without making Treasure Planet a trilogy, I'd be thrilled.
Best disney film ever made. Light-years ahead of it's time. True masterpiece.
This is SO true
I just saw the movie for the first time and It is amazing
@@violetthebookcat7457 same dude
I remember 7 year old me seeing the ads back in 2002 but I never got to see it until finally recently.
Back when it came out, I chose Harry Potter and Santa Clause 2 instead. And I did like them as well
Lion King is the best
Disney’s biggest mistake?
More like Disney’s biggest missed opportunity
Ikr
I know that's right.
YES
pamela lejeune it’s there biggest mistake, because they missed a great opportunity
Basically what he said in the video....Disney's biggest mistake was not giving this film the amount of attention it deserved despite the fact it was one of their best ones
Jokes on Disney cause me and literally everyone around my age that I know loves Treasure Planet and Atlantis the Lost Empire.
It's one of my favorite movies I remember seeing trailers of this moving also amazed of the CGI this movie what's so fantastic I can't believe part of the Caribbean come out
Didn't see Treasure Planet till well into my twenties and I love it. Thankfully, Mom bought Atlantis for me and it ended up being one of my favorites when I got older.
Same! 😄
I love those movies. These are more memorable and innovative from a certain point of view than their more recent stuff.
Pretty much everyone in the gaming and esports club at my college love this movie
My jaw dropped when you mentioned the part with the Disney commercial and it spoiling the whole movie. I can’t tel you how many times I’ve seen that happen with films and it goes to show how your marketing team can really screw over an entire project.
@@caitlyncarvalho7637because everyone (mostly) knows who Sherlock Holmes is. Even if you dont, he is immortalized the saying.
Treasure planet on the other hand is only really known by people from around the time it came out. Since there hasnt been a vastly successful and popular adaptatoon (besides this one) not enough people remember or ask for it. Or sinply just talk about it
Treasure Planet was the last movie i watched with my dad before he passed away from pancreatic cancer two years ago. He loved it. We both did.
Your video essay is the reason we watched it.
Thank you.
I'm just pissed off Disney killed their 2D animation.
It's even worse now with the live action remakes. They act as if they have something to improve on their original works, and sadly, I meet a bunch of people who say that they prefer it because "it's 'more adult.'"
BS. Walt said that with animation, they "had worlds to conquer," worlds that didn't have the same artiststry in live action.
So, if you think that animation is childish, and not for adults, listen.
You're an idiot.
Just look to anime, it has a lot to explore
@@ClulssCrs3310 I'm glad that Japan has kept it alive and elevated the medium, but I'm sad that except for the occasional experiment like Klaus or Into The Spiderverse, the west doesn't seem very into being very creative with their animation style.
You summed it up pretty well
@@armchairrocketscientist4934 Because it’s tremendously expensive to have a hand drawn animated movie. Let alone the technology 90’s Disney used. Computer animation is leagues cheaper and required probably a ton less people to work on it as well. One of the main reasons traditional hand drawn animation was so big back then was because the computer side of it was still in its infancy. It wasn’t until the 2000’s that CGI, flash animation really took off and took presendce over traditional art.
I agree
I never knew there was a planned sequel, now I'm even more depressed.
The aesthetic and universe is so GODDAMN beautiful and I'm so sad they took it behind the shed and put it down.
Treasure Planet was going to be big or that's what they thought. I heard that not only was there going to be a sequel in the words but they were already writing screenplay for a T.V series. But because it failed at the box office they had to put the projects to the side. Also, they made a PS2 game that my brother and I had own. We never finished it. :(
while it is disappointing, the fact the original exists should make you feel happy :D
Same.
It's a damn shame.
Let's hope that in Disney plus more people will be able to see it
RUMORS it could have live action treatment
Given the fact that the directors had to make 5 feature films before they could even bargain with the bigsuits to make this film, I absolutely believe you that the bigsuits sabotaged this film's release so they can have a reason to not make more films similar.
This was SUCH a good review. I’m so freaking sad that treasure planet never had a sequel. This was my favorite movie as a kid, the visual aesthetic, music, and theme I was all obsessed with as a kid.
Let's all sign a petition for a sequel
@@mys.creator0508 plzzzz
I would’ve loved to see Jim’s adventures as some sort of space captain but he still keeps his personality and continues to shred❤️🔥❤️🔥
I think treasure planet deserves a lot more appreciation, but considering Disney’s history of terrible sequels, I’m almost glad it doesn’t have one. Like, I would love for it to have a sequel, but only if I know it would actually be a decent story continuation, and not just a big marketing scheme.
@@mys.creator0508They don't do 2D/3D Hybrid films no more, no chance.
Ah, so Disney's biggest mistake wasn't the film itself. It was not giving a single damn about it and basically setting it up for failure.
Seriously, one of my all time favorite Disney films.
Seen it only once and always wanted to see it again. I had a great time with this movie. It is so different to every other disney movie.
My favorite as well
i was about to be super pissed at this guy because treasure planet is fucking lit
it's just a clickbait. 🙃
It's one of my favorite movies that I ever watched.
I read the title, I came in all "Oh, don't you mess with Treasure Planet" and then settled in my seat as it was praised for 20 min
Same
Preach
Same
Yep
Did the exact same thing
There was also a really nice detail with Jim. Shadows around his eyes. He has them there the whole time, adding to his teenage bad boy kind of wibe, but whenever he opens up, or at the end he takes charge of things... they disappear and his face brightens.
This movie is a masterpiece of animation, greatly written, great characters. When I first saw it, luckily for me our ads about the movie were much better and did not spoil the movie, I fell in love with it. The thought of sailing among stars in such a ship like RLS Legacy is just awesome. To see the stars, planets and so much more from deck of a beautiful ship instead of through window or monitor.
Disney really carpet bombed themselves with sabotaging this movie. This could have become something great. I can already imagine a series where Jim takes on academy and under watchful eye of his 'aunt' Captain Amelia, learns what it means to be captain of a ship. Sometimes he fails, sometimes he succeeds, but never gives up. In the end he might reunite with SIlver. Now cadet of academy against a pirate, but in the end they do not let this ruin their friendship.
And who knows, maybe Jim could find his father.
Can't be, Mr. Hawkins is just like Mr. Ketchum.
No. The story is enough as it is. We don’t need Disney ruining another franchise.
@@SnailHatan Maybe now, but back then we'd have had something decent, and maybe a series animated on the Disney Channel.
Honestly, Titan AE, Treasure Planet, and Atlantis are some of the greatest animated movies ever made...
Titan AE = 🔥
Which one was Titan AE? I feel like I saw the trailer, wanted to see the movie but… never did…
@@icarusbinns3156 Here’s a link to a trailer, basically it’s after earth was destroyed and a guy follows a map from his dad.
ruclips.net/video/njRH_EDfLpA/видео.html
o7 to Raxxla
Titan AE damn it's been a awhile....
This movies a formula break. It doesn’t do anything a Disney movie should and I honestly think that’s really cool
This movie was my childhood
This is my favorite Disney movie of all time
Every time another formulaic disney movie comes out, I listen to people go "AMAZING" and wonder what they see in it. I know that some people would say that the singing, happy endings, silly comic relief, random animal sidekicks, etc make disney what it is, but it usually annoys the heck out of me. :P
I'm going to watch this and Black Cauldron sometime this month (job and all that means I have to queue things I'm going to do).
I'm all about checking out underrated films I never watched before.
I watched The Black Cauldron a while ago... it was pretty disappointing. Might be better to skip it and read the books, if you're interested in that story for whatever reason.
Treasure Planet is worth watching though.
I remember being captivated by this movie's atmosphere as a kid.
IRUNASSAULT I only watched cuz we owned it along with a small collection of others
I remember going to my grandparents job site when i was 3 or 4 and asking a carpenter who worked for them try and help me make the rocket sail thing from the beginning out of scrap wood. 22 now and still my all time favorite Disney film.
Same. I remember I wanted to eat McDonald's three or four times just to collect Ben's body parts to make him whole.
@@miihoodw6925 thanks for your comment man, I've been trying to find out for years which pirate animation movie McDonalds made toys of and now I got the confirmation
Something about this movie mesmerized me
I hope someday, Treasure Planet (including the cast and others involved) gets the recognition they deserve. This was a masterpiece and it's my favourite animated movie.
It's gotten the recognition.
actually the biggest mistake they made in this movie was getting rid of jim’s piercings in the last scene
And his ponytail!!!
@@RR4711 They also got rid of the line(s) under his eyes that were there the entire movie up until then. I guess to make him look cleaned up. I personally don't really care either way, but it was just something I noticed since I had been somewhat fixated on those lines earlier in the movie (at first I thought it as a scar, but it moves and switches to whichever side of his face is turned towards the camera, so it's definitely not).
That makes sense, probably didn't want to send a message to kids to encourage them to get piercings.
There was also apparently a line cut that said that Dr. Doppler was the one that birthed his and Amelia's children.
Ugh, that would've been far too weird, I'm glad that was cut
maybe they fell out ?
I mean, he could’ve just took them off for the occasion- as for the rat tail, idc
So happy I grew up with this movie. This and "Atlantis" are highly underrated. They were adventurous and exciting.
Facts! I was obsessed with those when I was a kid
The sequel to the Atlantis animation was 🤔
@@oioioioi992 Wasn't aware there was a sequel to Atlantis...
@@Neb_Raska well don't watch it. The animation sucks. :/
@@Neb_Raska You weren't aware of it because it was an absolute flop with zero marketing. It was basically one of those direct to video/tv films that Disney makes a lot of in their spare time. There's been a lot of sequels to older Disney films that I wasn't aware of for years, and they are all terrible.
Imagine being super loyal to a company, giving them success after success, paving the way for their bright future, and all you ask for in return is to make _another movie for them,_ which is also a passion project you’ve dreamed of for years.
And they’re basically like, “F*ck you.”
At least after that they had their revenge since they created dreamworks
It's wild to me that RonJohn continue to stay with Disney even after they continously denied them of their passion project and then proceeded to turn Aladdin into whatever you can call the live action remake. Like, on one hand, kudos to you two for having that much patience, but on the other I feel like they'd have so much more creative liberties if they joined something like SPA Studios instead.
Welcome to large corporations. Thank you for your service now fuck off and keep doing stuff.
It's sad to say but Disney's been doing that since the 1970's :s people forget that fact and think it didn't happen until the 90's and or early 2000's. Neither case is true....The Black Cauldron is another example of it, and that one almost killed the company which just made them want to give their staff that chance even more. Cauldron was delayed over and over, they kept trying to get the staff who worked on it to do other movies barely into production, not even like half way in, hardly anything had been done on it before they wanted to effectively sabotage it. Treasure Planet isn't the first, and I bet frankly will not be the last time they do it. Now it's more a case of which concept will they do it do next. They will do it again they've done it for the last 40+ years already.
Not really.. they did give them 140 million for it. They just didn't give it the polish they normally would for business reasons. Like everyone else is saying. Sad.
29:28 to be absolutely fair, the movie itself reveals Silver is a villain very early into his introduction. I think the scene showing that he's secretly leading the pirate crew is only 15-something minutes after he is revealed. It is also hinted at immediately, since Jim was warned a cyborg was the one who wanted the map earlier in the movie, so as soon as the audience sees Silver is a cyborg they already suspect him.
This is a good point but I think that makes tha actual twist- when he turns his back on Jim, specifically- so much more powerful. We as the audience, and Jim himself, always knew Silver had the capacity to betray the crew, but no one suspected he would also betray Jim
@@SintanityThat is such a good point! I wondered why they chose to give it away so quickly but that actually makes a lot of sense bc it really did make the scene of him betraying Jim more shocking.
@@SintanityThis, we all knew he was a pirate and capable of pulling a sunt like that, but not to Jim ...not to Jim.
When you think about it, it’s crazy how good those six movies turned out that they worked on before treasure planet, considering they didn’t really want to make them
Not like they were only two working on those movies, I suppose..
I'll keep this brief because I dont want to get anyone in trouble, but I know for certain that your theory is correct. When I was studying animation in college, I had a professor who had worked on Treasure Planet, and they assured me that the awful marketing for this movie was intentional. Disney wanted a reason to move away from 2D animation, and Treasure Planet was a carefully calculated scapegoat. They poured a ton of effort and talent into this movie, and rigged it to flop. It was the perfect reason for them to say "this style of animation clearly isnt lucrative, we're putting it to bed"
Vincenzo Nova thank you. This makes me appreciate the amount of wasted effort in this film. Let us spread the word of treasure planet: Disney’s true masterpiece
Comment is appreciated. Really enjoyed their work
this is everything wrong with the world
disney is complete garbage and thank you for the comment so I can further understand the reasons I should dislike their work
that's make sense, anime mostly mix between 2D and 3D, no problemo
“You know what it released against? The first Harry Potter” I spat my damn coffee out of course it flopped
Second Harry Potter film, actually.
I got the same damn feeling I didnt know that
I told my mum that they did that and she yelled "THOSE BASTARDS!" she's never seen it but she knows how rough the industry can be
fun fact: The Princess and the Frog, Disney's last 2D animation movie, was released against the last Harry Potter movie. Let that sink in. It was bound to flop..
@@thatsdisco PaTF is NOT Disney's last 2D. it's actually the 2011 Winnie The Pooh.
This will probably always be my favourite Disney movie, and I am still a little baffled that it was received relatively poorly. As a six-year-old boy, I was probably the perfect demographic for this movie, but even today, I find the hybrid Victorian-science fiction setting inspired and imaginative. The characters are well-realised (and in some respects more complex than those in the source material), it has a strong emotional core and it holds up as a beautifully animated film. Money well spent, as far as I'm concerned.
It wasn't received poorly, but rather sold poorly, those are two distinct differences. But yeah, this movie really sparked my love for adventure/scifi movies especially with how the movie handles it's worldbuilding and setting. Seriously, pirates on space? That's so damn imaginative when I'm sure all kids our age thought space and pirates were cool.
Such a shame that Disney set up this masterpiece of a film to fail. I enjoyed watching it as a child and enjoy watching it now as an adult.
I really liked your video essay about how the film does certain things well, especially the significance of Jim's wardrobe changes throughout the movie, it was something I never thought of. Really nice video!!
Treasure planet was released about a week or two after Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets, the second movie not the first one. Also a few weeks later the second movie of LoTR came out.
Harry Potter - November 15th
Treasure planet - November 27th
LoTR: The Two Towers** - December 18th
So positioned between 2 masive franchise films with minimal and bad PR it was set up to fail at the box office.
**Edit: Misnamed the movie wrote "The Twin Towers" insted of "The Two Towers".
Astral43 YOOO HOW DID I FUCK THAT UP LMAO I KNEW I MIXED SOMETHING UP IN THE SCRIPT
*Two Towers
Well, that is a good way to kill your numbers. Come out between two major franchise sequels, with a giant book fanbase, one of which is loved by a large amount of adults and seniors, and one by tons of tweens. It's like, sticking a squirrel, albeit a awsome, beautiful, expensive to get squirrel, between a lion and a shark in a zoo.
Fun Fact: The Led Zeppelin song "The Battle of Evermore" has multiple references to LoTR
Astral43 oh! Why did they do that?!😱
Both treasure planet and Atlantis were severely underrated
Both always remind me of Titan AE.
Both treasure planet and Atlantis were my absolute favorites as a kid and are still in my top five.... Next to mad max: fury road. And I will personally fight anyone who says they are bad movies.
I loved Treasure planet when I was a kid. I still love it today
YES! I loved Titan AE. And, a bit of a nod to "Heavy Metal" if it was done for a younger audience.
both were my favorite movies when i grew up! totally underrated!
I cant believe I just discovered this film but I watched it and to date it's the only movie I've seen where a main character's father just...left instead of dying or something. That little detail is so good because more kids can relate to a father leaving than a father dying, I'm sure. Also my father was pretty similar and I remember feeling exactly like how Jim was when he saw his father leave. This just makes the movie even better to me.
This was one of my wife's favorite movie as a kid and I never heard of it. So she made me watch it a few years ago and I freaking loved it and was so confused as to why I never heard about it or why it was never touted as one of Disney's best films.
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 my answer is yes.
Loved both, but my first impression came from finnish dub.
Finnish version of "I'll be here" gave me chills and still kinda does.
I actually had no idea Treasure Planet flopped this badly. Treasure Planet was one of my favorite movies growing up and i loved Jim. The kid me looked up at him and wanted to be him. I got into skateboarding because of Jim and his Solar Sailboard. To hear this childhood masterpiece of mine flopped is so depressing. And to hear it might have been because of Disney Corporate really ticks me off. Thanks for the video, BreadSword.
It was the marketing. Obviously Disney SAT on this one.
Both Treasure planet and Atlantis where my favorites
same here, i started skating and snowboarding becuse of the movie! the guy looked fly as hell shredding through that factory!
There aren’t too many films I grew up with that influenced who I am today but this film definitely gave me childhood dreams
Same i fucking love that movie
If Treasure Planet were to be released in 2017, a different rating entirely.
Wise Old Man They should re-release it in theaters some day for a new generation to watch.
Not just re-release, but to finish up and release also its unfinished sequel. I read the plot and it would have been so awesome.
Wise Old Man well story of Treasure Planet continue in video game
DartLuke - Only in game though. I'd rather sit back , relax and just marvel at those Victorian-Steam-Punked style technologies. Graphics positioned in deep canvas technique with virtual sets. ah gonna watch again later the movie. lol
Wise Old Man ain't that the truth ratings would sky rocket!
i am never gonna forget the night i put this movie on my dvd player and got equally terrified and fascinated by seeing Flint's 6 eyes. i always had a soft spot for this movie and it's never gonna change.
I don't care what anybody says. Treasure planet has been my childhood favorite film. I remember grabbing a random VHS tape from the stack inside the Tupperware my mom got from a yard sale. The song "I'm still here." Is nostalgic because I would replay that scene over and over again.
You do care.
😂
What I like about the movie there was no love interest at all which is common in Disney movies
Except for the doctor and the captain :P
Gotta have that romance somewhere I guess, though at least it’s not forced onto the main character yeah
I think the reason why they didn’t have a main love interest for the protagonist is because they already supplemented that relationship with the father-son like relationship he had with the cyborg.
They had it planned for the sequel that never saw the light of day.
I love it when movies don't have a love interest. It's the most shoe-horned kind of sub-plot of all time.
Instead it was a heck of a bromance between master and student
Who else here wished Atlantis as well as Treasure Planet were worlds in Kingdom Hearts?
Me, absolutely!
No treasure planet shouldn't be a world ... the ship should be the main way of getting to worlds instead of the gummi ship. How cool would that be
@Ewan Carner no I'm saying it should have the privilege of appearing throughout the game multiple times and having the cast be like hollow bastion where they are semi involved in the main story seeing as how it can substitute gummi ships
@@matabishippuden6965 You do realise it is in KH3 right? It's not the way we had wanted it but it is there....do I like how it was added? Nope. Was it added? Yes.
@@Arcanua hold up it was in kh3? No it wasn...
Dont tell me that gummi ship boss
...
Still one of my favourite videos on the internet. Like dude it's so phenomenal, just the editing and the voice over and the amount of content that's just squeezed from this movies history is amazing. Truly a time flyer. Thank you
I remember being *SO EXCITED* for this movie! So much so, I almost *forgot* Harry Potter (I dont remeber going to see it). But, I remember when I went to see Treasure Planet. I took my best friend at the time. There was a little boy sitting next to us who had probably seen it 12 times by the time we sat down. He quoted the whole movie, pop songs and all! The three of us shared pop corn, and we theater hopped into the next showing because he was so enthusiastic about watching it again. It was a *GREAT* experience of sci-fi, high fantasy, and swashbuckling! I miss the thrill of watching new features in a theater.
on a drawing of jim on john ripa's instagram (the supervising animator of jim) someone linked this video and said "Pls enjoy this 30 minute video about how Disney sent it out to die" and john replied with "Not sure I need to, I lived it." so the theory seems basically confirmed :(
Wtf... this needs to be higher. More likes
What the hell.
This is just sad 😔
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yup here is the instagram picture & comment instagram.com/p/BtlYx26hISK/
I feel horrible for Ron Clements and John Musker, this is a movie they wanted, loved doing, and working on the most. I liked the movie and loved the characters and how the story went, for me personally is my favorite Disney movie. It completely bombed hard at the box office. Because of that, I feel extremely sympathetic for them and the movie.
And they would get screwed over their passion projects 2 more times. They wanted to make an Alfred Hitchcock homage from the perspective of a house cat. That ended up getting canceled because, as one of the execs oh so wisely said,"nobody wants to see a movie about a fat old director no one remembers". Then they tried to get a hand-drawn animated adaptation of Mort off the ground, but that was cancelled because A. The Terr Pratchett estate tried to sell Disney the rights to the whole Discworld series and B. The execs were "unsure about having Death as a Disney character". My boys started the Disney Renaissance. They deserve better than this, man.
Disney wanted Treasure Planet to fail.
@@opticalraven1935 How do you do? My name is Alex Morrison and I want to ask you about why Disney wanted Treasure Planet to fail in the first place. There must be a reason behind Treasure Planet's failure at the box office. It's great to talk to you, so please respond to me as soon as you can. Thanks for listening 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.
Three passion projects John Musker and Ron Clements worked and tried to work on: One of their passion projects that got finished but failed at the box office and the other two movies that didn't see the light of day 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔.
@@lexiconmorrison7902 he's stating what the video essay says at the end
The scene in I'm Still Here where Jim's father leaves (ie the bridge of the song) will always make me cry, Treasure Planet was my brother's favorite movie of all time, and now that he's gone, I feel like preteen Jimbo, reaching out for someone who he'll never see again, and feeling the soul-shattering feeling that maybe if you had done something different that they would still be here. Sadly, nobody can change the past, but as long as we hold on to their memory, they are still here in our hearts. It's oddly fitting, really. we would call my brother Captain Nathaniel Flint, because he shared a name with the character. He was truly a treasure, and now he will forever be surrounded by the riches of his memory. I love you so much baby bro... I miss you...
This is hands down Disney's best animation ever made. This movie IS my childhood and can't imagine someone taking it for granted
THIS is a movie they should be remaking in live action, not classics that already did well, but the underrated gems that never got their due first time round.
Dude!!!! I totally agree! Stop ruining the classics and give the films the didn't do well a chance!
TheScape55
Did....did you ever watch Star Wars?😂
It's happening 2022 😃😃
Yeah this film and also Atlantis wold be perfect for a live action remake
I think Disney needs to stop making live action remakes. Look at all the crap they are putting out now. Just stick with original new stories.
honestly treasure planet is my favourite disney movie ever, alongside atlantis
chase1146 Fuck Yeah
Definitely better than any of these modern Marvel Movies (although Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant Man were good, but not comparable). Way better than these cheap CGI movies they spew out on a regular basis nowadays.
Same same same
Road to El Dorodo was good too.
I bet The Black Cauldron is your third :D
This is one of my favorite Disney movies, when it came out I was absolutely enthralled with it being the strange little girl who loved astronomy and space and pirates. I loved the strong female captain and I loved jim and the cyborg - all amazing characters. The story has perfect pacing, the visuals are unique and imaginative and the story though it’s classic treasure hunting adventure is also so much more than that. About leaning into your talents and getting that long needed guidance from a parent/father figure who tells you to reach for the stars because they know you can do it. Not to mention all of the music was contemporary, rather than classical like so many other scores of Disney films. It will always have a special place in my heart. Not to mention I’m still obsessed with pirates and space and astronomy
i feel like their usage of traditional animation and digital 3D animation mirrors the contrast between Victorian and Sci-fi perfectly. It wouldn't have looked as compelling and amazing if it had only been one animation stile, it wouldn't have been fitting to use two stiles for one genre. These combinations made it work as well as it did and that's genius.
I don't give a fuck about numerical digits, dollar signs, or Disney for that matter, this movie was a masterpiece and I am forever thankful that it was made.
Right? At least we have the movie. Disney didn't manage to kill the project before we could see the result.
Tyler Cliburn amen brother
amen indeed
Amen dude
Exactly my thoughts
I get sad thinking about the cancelled sequel.
GamingPsycho not everything needs a sequel
slipspacer88 Yeah, nowadays sequels are usually bad :(
slipspacer88 our imagination in regards to Jimbo exploring the cosmos as the capitan of a vessel is more than enough isn't it?
Oh it gets worse. Treasure Planet had plans for a sequel which would lead into a spin off tv series. With all the creative visuals from the first film they could have done literally anything with a tv series in this world, explore something new and amazing each time.
animatedviews.com/2014/buried-treasure-the-ill-fated-voyage-to-treasure-planet-2/
GamingPsycho most Disney sequels are bad
Treasure Planet will always have a very solid and tender place in my heart. i grew up as a kid rewatching that movie DOZENS of times on end and i never got sick of it. especially on road trips, man those were the best. Treasure Planet was not only a part of my childhood nostalgia, but it truly did teach me a ton of things about life and i managed to memorize multiple phrases and lines from the movie itself and i think about it all the time. this movie means more to me than any other disney movie ive ever seen (even Princess and the Frog which is a strong second favorite). i will always recommend this movie to others
Spoilers below this. Work in progress timeline
00:00 What do you think about Disney?
00:14 Money
01:30 What is Treasure Planet
02:45 Laying down the Law
04:13 Why it shouldn't have or Why it didn't Fail
05:20 Breaking all of the Rules
06:50 Establishing the Rules
09:25 Smoother than Silk
09:52 It's a little Different
12:15 Attachments and Bonds
13:33 Not just for Looks / Real Characters
15:05 More laughs / Good side Characters
17:37 The art Styles
18:18 The art Styles: Deep Canvas
21:05 Jim's Wardrobe
22:31 The Score / The 70/30 Rule
24:36 The sound Design / 70/30 Rule
26:50 Why did it fail?
27:47 Disney and their Marketing
29:40 Losing a Pulse
30:34 But... Why?
31:39 It was a good movie and it had promise
32:23 The last men Standing / A bad man's Death
33:02 When the illusion Breaks
Yours Truly
-DeltaEcho
Beardsword needs to pin this!
@@essdeecard Thanks.
I thought he was about to slander one of the most criminally underrated movie ever, and I was about to smack him to the Saturn
ok
same here
Agreed
I thought the same thing, that's the only reason I clicked on it lol.
This guy went from one video with barely 10k views to half a million in his 2nd video. What a fucking boss
Given the love I hear from those who have seen treasure planet, who wouldn't want to watch this?
Ghost1170 I think this is a stolen video
Brian or maybe it just became popular because it's a great video? Also yeah, it did come up in my recommended. You're right.
Brian It's not like he's paying RUclips to advertise his video. They just are. It also fits with what I watch anyway which are these essay style videos based on entertainment produce e.g games, movies
The last time i watched this video (which it was one month after it was uploaded), it was only 20k views. Now it's half a million.
Being born in 2001, it is only now that I got to see the full movie and I regret not being able to watch it sooner. I felt each emotion the characters went through, especially when Jim felt betrayed. It is unique in terms of storytelling and animation. Like WOW the animation is so beautiful for something in the early 2000s. Its a shame it wasn't as advertised as it is.
All of your background music makes watching and listening to your videos feel just like when I was young seeing these movies for the first time thank you sir
Dude, Treasure Planet is one of my all-time favorite movies.
nonstopjoliver Same! I can't believe its considered a flop
Hell yeah
nonstopjoliver SAME HOW CAN HE
IKR
I still want my solar surfboard
I honestly feel bad for Ron Clements and John Musker. They fought for so long (and even made movies they didn't wanted to make) to finally make the Disney movie they always wanted to make. The result of their dream project? A huge financial failure that became a forgotten Disney movie. :(
Yea, that sucked. BUT! Win or lose, at least they got to make their movie. :)
Several great movies by them, actually. All of them released against bigger titles.
its not forgotten, if the right people give other people the chance to see it. A lot of what happens now days is taken too fast, sometimes taking life slower means you will not be bored as much.
A normal Guy That's true. Some projects don't even go into fruition.
financial failure? yes. but not forgotten. Being a movie nerd with a girlfriend often too busy to sit down and really immerse herself in a movie who instead goes for more shallow, mildly entertaining flicks more often than not, I already know what the next movie is going to be that I'm gonna watch with my GF.
Jim was when I was little and still is such a relatable character to me. Rewatching this film makes me wonder if it subconsciously molded me as a person despite the last time I saw this film being when I was like 6. Jim feeling like his life is hopeless and despite trying his best always ending up making everyone think less of him is something that resonates with me now far more than it did when I was little, and it did then too. I always loved this movie growing up, and it has remained one of my favorites to this day, even though it's been about 14 years since my last viewing
Coming back to this video now, it’s kind of remarkable how history is repeating itself. Audiences didn’t want to see Treasure Planet in theaters because they caught on to Disney’s dvd release schedule and now Disney is having the EXACT same problem with streaming.
They somehow made the film futuristic and historic at the same time, like it's the Middle Ages' version of advanced technology. That's so cool.
yo you described this so well
Retrofuterism
It's not medieval, it's pre-Victorian
That basically is the premise of steampunk in a nutshell.
congrats you just discovered steampunk
Jim Hawkins walked so e-boys could run
Oh hell no, you don't compare e-boys to to Jim Hawkins. They bring shame to all of us.
Scott Pilgrim technically but I guess you could make the argument.
💀💀
The words Jim Hawkins and eboy should never be in the same sentence unless you put an "is-not-an" between them
@@manulibertas5619 Pretty sure they were reffering to the rise in attractive cartoon characters, which ARE E-boys. You're using the wrong meaning of the word, which when using the meaning you're talking about I will agree. But the OP isn't even talking about that kind of E-boy in the first place. :/
Treasure planet is my absolute favorite Disney movie and I'll die on my treasure planet hill
intro song is Windy City - Let Me Ride 🙂
Are you telling me, that they had already planned for a sequel, and then Disney sabotaged this masterpiece. I'm so triggered.
you can't make perfect twice
pretty much your not the only one who's annoyed
Treasure Planet is honestly one of the only animated movies I've ever seen that realistically portrays what it's like to be a teenager. I connected with this movie so much as a kid because not only was Jim himself relatable, but he was also flawed in all the right ways that speaks to kids because it's on their level. He had realistic issues, such as parental abandonment, which left him depressed; struggling to figure out who he was, who he wanted to be and where that left him in the grand scheme of life as a whole. I have always adored this movie, and this video, in my opinion, hit the nail on the head in regards to the criminally unjust way Disney set this masterpiece up for imminent failure.
To you, good sir, I say thanks and have never subscribed to a channel faster than this one. Definitely looking forward to checking out your other content. :)
Frisk The Fabulous Oh wait.
Slynchthepuppy I'm confused. Lol. Did you want to say something?
Yessss absolutely, i remember listening to the song "I'm still here" for the first time when i was a kid and watched this movie (which is a song i presume was written about jim) and i always got chills from it because i could really relate to the lyrics -
"🎶 they can't tell me who to be, cause I'm not what they see 🎶" or
" 🎶 you don't know me and I'll never be what you want me to be🎶" - i agree as a teenager i could really relate to it haha
Ami Bird Yep! I was already a HUGE fan of The Goo Goo Dolls as a kid, so when I heard that song, I immediately fell head over heels in love with it. The lyrics only make it that much better because we all know how that feels in some way, shape or form.
you should seriously watch tarzan , loosing parents is one of the most common themes among all animated movies ever created , 90% of disney movies use that
Honestly for what it is I’m glad that the movie was rigged for failure instead of just failing. When I first heard this movie didn’t do well I was absolutely baffled because it has made its way to number one spot in Disney movies for me. To hear that it was meant to be makes me feel a bit better because I know that it had the potential to become a defining film for Disney. It’s still so tragic that more people don’t know about it, but I guess it’ll make it even more special to certain individuals knowing that it is like a hidden masterpiece. And at the very least I’m glad that the movie ended on a non cliffhanger despite having planned sequels, because I know of several great series that were cancelled right on major cliffhangers leaving this empty feeling of wanting more.
Im obsessed over how Jim's earring moves in treasure planet. It's amazing.
I never understood why people didn't like Treasure Plants or said it wasn't a good movie. One of my favourite movie ever.
I like treasure plants.
yeah, treasure plants is the best
same here
I wouldn't say favorite, but I was alright with the re-imagining. and Black Cauldron, although I'll admit its a weird movie in comparison to most.
rigth :) mine too. cheers mate :)
Treasure Planet is still my favorite Disney movie. It was when I was a kid and still is now. Kudos.
Definitely. I have long cleaned out most of my DVDs and passed them on since we seem to be headed in the direction of digital everything, but Treasure Planet is one of the few DVDs I refused to let go of. (=
paperbackpocket I can't let go of m VHS haha
Beautiful, beautiful film. One of the reasons I got into drawing. Should have gotten way more exposure, but I'm somewhat grateful that it didn't, so it wasn't ground into the dirt of pop culture like Frozen.
Always will be
ptSaiped lol Because That's how good the movie is. That's right. It's keep-your-VHS good. ...I should have a movie night tonight with it.
My brother and I were likewise under a one parent house growing up. And when I first saw this movie at about 6 years old on a VHS I remember the feeling of hope that I had never truly had, and Jim gave it to me. This movie gave it to me and the soundtrack even now finishing college is still what I put one when I cant remember how to hope. I love this film.
Treasure planet and Atlantis, my all time favorite Disney films. I'm glad I had the fortune to watch both movies at the cinema
"What's the first thing that comes in your mind when I say Disney?"
The fact for the first 20 years of my life I thought the "D" in Disney's signature was a "G" and I had no idea how they got "Disney" out of "Gisney."
Ya got me crackin XD
To quote ProZD: "backwardGisney"
The y in Disney often times looks like a p to me, So I totally get this ^^
@@Mew-Lidia9 _Gisnep_
Oh my god, that same thing happened to me too as a kid! XD
"Pirates are gay, go make mermaids." I-
Kind of true, pirates had gay marriage celebrated in their decks, seriously.
@@ahlkoo that was pretty pretty rare tho so dont bullshit a whole era because pf your LGBT agenda
@@JoaoSilva-od1zv bruh. I never said it was common, I just knew there were.
João Silva bitch sit down lol drink some water
João Silva people like you are why the world sucks... let people be people god... it’s not like K E N R I was saying it happened all the time chill the fnck out... I swear humanity is heading toward doom bc people attack each other all the damn time!
I watched this video for the first time roughly 3 years ago. This was the first BREADSWORD video I ever watched. I come back to this video, and others on the channel, semi regularly. I “treasure” it. Teehee.
5years later and this is still one of my favorite videos to come back to
That transition though. Even after watching this movie over 50 times, it still gives me chills of excitement.
nonstopjoliver yayyyayyyqyyyyyy
GANDALF!!!
Kawaii MoeGirl huhhh??? Go away.
Not to simplify things, but I think the reason the movie flopped was simply because it was dated. Computer animation was all the rage and everybody wanted to go see Pixar movies. Treasure Planet just looked like ( animationally ) how every other Disney movie ever looked.
You can talk about marketing, etc.. but I think it was just poor timing. No, not poor timing coming out at Christmas, poor timing that it did not come out 10 years earlier... you know, WHEN THEY FIRST WANTED TO MAKE THE MOVIE!
PS.. I created a new word animiationally.. USE IT! Thnx!
nonstopjoliver You go away Jew
Disney is the father that abandoned Jim.
ABAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAH FUCKING QUOTEDDDDDD
Brendan O'Brien man fucking true hahahah
Brendan O'Brien this
Ouch. Pretty harsh of you disney...
Oh my God
This is probably the fourth time I've watched this, I enjoy your videos and Treasure Planet so much. Keep doing you brother.
I remember treasure planer as an almost guilty pleasure, I didn’t know if it was because I thought my dad (a movie nerd) would say it was bad and wouldn’t want to see it with me. Now I just love the film how ut looks feels and the characters in it.
And *this* is why we watch the whole video before leaving an angry comment.
Thanks, Perido... i mean, Ethan Hoogy.
Lol, it would help though if the video wasn't so long.
The mistake wasn't the film itself, but how Disney handled its release, I guess. That's what I got out of this.
Ethan Hoogy
Or... You know... The first 4 minutes.
Ethan Hoogy im 7 minutes in, and im fuckin triggeres
Thinking back to the time ‘Treasure Planet’ was released, I can’t stop but to think it’s rarity in movie theaters. My father, who fell in love with the trailer of Jim surfing in his “glider”, tried to get us a ticket at our nearby theatre. Surprisingly, the place didn’t show ‘Treasure Planet’. Couple of days later, we found out that there was only ONE place that showed it (in Manhattan, though not sure of the exact place). I always thought to myself why this film, unlike majority of Disney movies was only shown in scarce numbers. It really comes to show how corporates and executives can control and sway the audience and critics alike, especially when the movie / product is not in the best interest of a company. I think if it was shown in majority of the theaters, it could have been a greater hit than it was before.
True. They intentionally doomed it.
I only found most of my favourite movies, both animated and live-action, by finding them as VHS and DVDs in rental places of that kind or in stores. Treasure Planet was no exception there sadly..
I did watch it in theaters normally but I doubt they cared about sinking the film internationally which just shows how intentional their actions were.
Fascinating story, but one not that far removed from mine. I lived in Monaco at the time and desperately wanted to see it on its opening weekend. It was released in the only movie theatre in town/the country... but it was given the smallest screen of the theatre, since the two largest were being taken by Die Another Day and, especially, Harry Potter II. As such, I remember seeing this movie (among the first ones I saw alone, with Erin Bronkovich and Lilo and Stitch) in an almost empty theatre with the noises of the other two screens shaking the small, run-down screen where the movie was shown.
Also, the story with your father falling in love with a trailer is a nice touch, and reminds me of my fathers downright infatuation with Gangs of New York after watching the first trailer back in December 2001.
After watching it countless times as a child I feel like it might have been to do with the moral of the story. How money isn't everything and it and greed can turn good people into bad people. They might have not liked that and didn't want a generation growing up being consious of their money, because that's something I learned from it. Considering all the other disney movies out at the time didn't have the same topics. Maybe they just didn't think kids would like it. Who knows.
So that's why it bombed. Damn disney
I'll challenge you on BEN not really having a role in the film, or much to add beyond his comedy routine (which I'll admit seems excessive, until you look a bit closer). BEN's emotional arc culminates in him regaining his memory chip and realizing his captain had betrayed him to hide the treasure; yet, he didn't kill him. This always hit me like a bag of rocks and still does to this day. There's sadness for BEN having been hurt by his captain, left alone, abandoned. And then there's perhaps a touch of sympathy for the ruthless pirate that didn't have the coldness left in his heart to kill one of his closest confidantes.
BEN's clinginess is meant to be annoying, his jokes are meant to be laid on a little too thick... he has been trapped on this planet for decades if not centuries, and with no one for company. This is how he copes, this is him trying to desperately reconnect with anyone at all... And when he finally meets people, it's little wonder he acts the way he does. (It also begs the question, what was BEN like on the pirate crew? Did Flint like having a nav robot that joked and japed all around? It's a bit fun to think about.)
So yes, while I understand your distaste for the jokes; they had a purpose, and in the end, BEN being a obnoxious robot does more than its fair share of heavy lifting for the story.
At any rate, this is the second time I've watched this video, and it's still so fun to watch, so thank you for sharing. Your videos have really helped me through some tough times this year, and have meant alot. Cheers.
He's such an overhated character, if you ask me.
Treasure planet is one of the most incredible animated films I’ve ever seen and honestly probably one of the best movies I’ve seen in general. Absolutely incredible movie
"Pirates are gay, go make mermaids" is my favourite line from anything, thank yiu
Gay pirate mermaids
@@maevixie7041 "can't process this comment, brain.exe stops working." XD
@@VeeAndThings Just imagine some pirates signing to tunes from The Little Mermaid like they’re shanties, or Barbosa singing “Poor Unfortunate Souls” while wearing a wig, blue eye shadow, and waving his pistol around like he was Divine.
@@GuiSmith i think he meant timestamp bruv
This breaks my heart. This was my favorite film as a kid
Aaron McDonald loved his film too but for some reason it escaped my mind until last year when I found it streaming free online and got to relive it!
I have this on dvd at home
Kattie Stonemann aww man that's awesome!
Every once in a while I come back to watch this video: it's the best analysis of my favorite movie. I just wish I could like it multiple times.
real
Honestly if Disney don't realise that remaking this in live-action will make them more money and kudos than all the live actions they've done so far put together they really aren't worth their reputation.
I really think that this movie having Jim's father just walking out on the family was more emotional than any parent dying in other Disney films.
It's one thing when a parent dies either from a freak accident or self sacrifice, but it's something else entirely when a parent just up and leaves you because they wanted something more.
It's also important to note the point in Jim's life his father left him like Breadsword is mentioning; he left the family when Jim was a pre-teen and close to hitting puberty, which is the confusing stage in life where you don't know if you're a child or not, what identity you have, how your future is looking, and why you're feeling so strange inside (hormones). Since his father left him during that age, then Jim both feels that he apparently wasn't good enough for his own father, but also ended up never having a male role model whom probably could explain to him how it's like for boys his age growing up (his mother could possibly explain it, but not accurately). All this results in him feeling like he has no future and is just trapped in a strange and inexplicable male teen world.
It didn't help the fact that he felt alone and an outcast his whole life. He felt unwanted by everyone.
In a deleted scene,Jim was trying to help an alien kid fix his scooter but the dad comes in and basically shoos him away. Jim gets to see another kid spending time with his dad while he's left to his own devices.
Not to mention having a parent leaving you is a more common occurrence for kids in the early and mid 2000s thus being more relatable than let's say a parent who died fighting off a mutant werewolf
I'll be honest, I saw the video title and i thought it was gonna be about how bad Treasure Planet was and boy was i taken on a whole different field trip
These kinds of videos are a dime a dozen and they're always the same. Don't get me wrong, this is a GREAT video. But what I mean is that there are tons of 20+ minute videos with clickbait-y titles that talk about some forgotten shows/movies and shed positive light on them, for people who never even saw them or for people who had very faint memories.
Again, this is not a complaint. Just saying that these kinds of videos are very popular nowadays and when reading the title I just knew what it's content and tone would be.
I feel like this is one of disney’s movies that has themes and darkness for older audiences, yet has off the self comic relief, happy ending parties, needless exposition etc. that are so obviously aimed for children that it becomes confusing who the target audience is. Sometimes studios think they can take the easy road with animation movies since children eat almost everything but they forget that people who buy the tickets are teens and adults. I love this movie though.
same here Lol
I enjoyed this twist, and it hasn't shaken my love of the movie.
Same
I can't even count the amount of times I have rewatched this video. I honestly love it as much as the film itself. And today I am giving it a special rewatch. For the 20th anniversary of Treasure Planet. Thank you again, Breadsword. It's a fantastic video.
Bummer it didn't get a theater re release for that
This video is so emotional. The box office numbers just told Disney that it’s time to move on to new ways of animating. Treasure Planet is a great movie, and it’s hard to think about how badly it performed.
I came here with a torch and a pitchfork. I left feeling good that people think the same about this movie.
Mysterious trainer saaaame
So did I 😂 I was ready to burn the whole channel to the ground
Hahahahahaha. SAME!!
To be honest Treasure Planet is one of my favorite Disney movies. It sucks that Disney would market something that awesome so poorly
It Sucked market wise because it is not a Princess story.
well disney as a whole didnt really want to make it, it was directors who wanted to make it, so they wouldnt support it because they as a company didnt want it, in base explaination, there is alot more to it
Best. Disney. Movie. Ever.
I watch this video yearly, this is genuinely a special video. I remember it popping up in my recommended a few days after it dropped. Thanks for years of enjoyment
That song "I'm Still Here" montage scene got me through a rough time. It was always on because My mom bought the dvd and she would watch it almost every day. I think she Identified with Jim's mom Sarah and was hoping that the 4 of us kids would do something amazing to get out of the cycle of poverty... And I identified with Jim. Growing up without knowing where your father is, and having a rocky relationship with your stepdad while you try to improve yourself is extremely relatable. And yes, I'm saying that John Silver was Jim's de-facto stepdad.
amazing
This is similar to my story with this film. I grew up watching this during a rough time in my family and Jim was the only character in a sea of protagonists that I could identify with.
I have clinical depression, and feel like I won’t amount to anything because of it. As a child, I had trouble interacting with other people, and it’s still kind of difficult; I know it’s cliche and sappy to say, but because of that, that song speaks directly to my heart.
That scene where Jim’s dad leaves always breaks my heart
John was most definitely his defaco step dad I refuse to believe anyone who says otherwise
We can all agree that this movie is a underrated masterpiece. Even today looks better than some animated films. Its visuals aged pretty damn well.......... The characters, the soundtrack, the places..... Something i always aprecciate in a movie is the sense of adventure and in this one is unmatched imo. One of my favorite movies of all time.
It's the fault of the uploader for having such an clickbait title in the first place.
@@doctordeath2419 It's not a clickbait, it's the pov of Disney on the movie. They literally want everyone to forget about it. The public loves it, however, that's why it was their biggest mistaken
The universe is interesting enough to be a one piece length show.
This movie is extremely boring and the main character is annoying.
@@thegoodreylo4749 Thats your opinion though.
I stumbled upon your channel earlier today and this is my third full video I've watched since. I love your work.