Nicolai’s 2025 Pinion MGU Update - What’s New?
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- The Pinion MGU is now updated with a motor over run feature that helps with technical climbs, as well as automatic shifting when pedalling - auto.shift and auto.shift.pro
This is the 1st gen MGU And it already beats all of the systems by 400%
1-No maintanance required
2- No more bulshit chain problems, chain slap, streatch or snap!!!
3 No more weak smashed dissallined deraileours and poor shifting problems!!!!
4- No more worn out cassetes and chainrings!!!
The MOUNTAIN BIKE SHOULD SPEND 99% RIDING ON THE MOUNTAINS NOT 99% LOKING AFTER IT!!! THIS IS THE FUTURE THIS IS MOUNTAIN BIKING AND IT'S CALLE PINION MGU!!!!
IT IS ALSO MY NEXT NEW EMTB
I have to clean the damn chain after every ride and this chore is killing my desire to shred. Now if only Rockshox can invent a ZEB that doesn’t require maintenance every month I can realize my dream of being a rider instead of being a part time mechanic.
@@Zetler Preach!
I just purchased a Priority 600, and though it's not an eMTB.. man.. I LOVE belt drive! It's nearly silent when pedaling, it shifts crazy well, the gear range is phenomenal.. if you've never utilized a belt drive / transmission on a bike, you're missing out!
My first eMTB will definitely be belt driven. Oh, and word of advice for anybody who looks to get anything belt driven.. DEFINITELY purchase at least a second belt, learn how to properly store it, and keep it handy.. these belts should handle a LOT of wear and miles, but you can't just pick one up in any bike shop like you can a chain.
Man I thought it was me but my ebike is a pit and I like everything u said no more bullshit just ride or die
@@moozeex1 I can totally see myself getting a gen 2 model.
Pinion is the top dog regardless of the recently announced motors. Belts and MGU's are the way to go. I wish they made a wireless shifter for a cleaner cockpit though.
Exactly this!!
Yeah I need to sell my Turbo Levo and Levo SL. And get this and the new DJI bike. Sadly I'm too poor.
Why are all MGU bikes filthy heavy?
@@alastairseedhouse2673 Weight is around the bb, they feel actually lighter. Nicolai uses alu. Lifetime components must be stronger than flimsy snapped chains and worn cassettes.
No wireless shifter!
Now there is finally a central battery that controls shifting, motor and lighting. No need to wireless stuff anymore. The reason I would never buy SRAM.
After seeing this bike it’s made me uninterested in anything that doesn’t have PinionMGU & Gates Carbon Drive. What have you done to me?!! 😅 Amazing stuff
It really is the way to go for the next step in ebike development. Surely other brands will start to compete with new propositions, and finally Shimano or Sram will buy some of those companies and every single ebike will be derailleur-less!
The future looks good
@@g.wilsondh8407 I’ve spoken to Zerode Bikes in NZ and they will be releasing an MGU/Carbon drive bike next year. I’m based in Australia so that’s the closest I could find for now. Still struggling with the $16,000 price tag, but honestly wouldn’t want anything less than a bike with these features
@@bernstockthat’s great news.
I’m definitely down for one as well
@@bernstock awesome! Thanks
@@bernstockwhat suspension and brakes is it specced with for that money?
Absolutely the best thing to hit the EMTB market, can't wait to see your build in progress 👍
Problem with it is that it can't be chipped. Not so important with EMTB but crucial (my opinion based on over 10 years of e-bike experience) when it comes to road or touring bikes.
@@mamadjun what do you mean by "chipped" ? Pinion also has a version that is for Pedelecs w/o the 25kmh limit
4:14 Leo from Pole with a Pole T Shirt! (I hope a good sign). I love my Voima....please get Pole up and running and make a Voima with this drivetrain. I am in.....
Fingers crossed Pole to live again!
@@finrodddwhat happened to pole?
I love my voima gutted they went bust, i spotted him too lets hope sth is happening
They aren't. I emailed them last year and they flat out refused to even consider the MGU.
@@bushflyr7335 probably they had much more serious problems back then. How sad, IMO they were really cool brand.
We desperately need a bigger bike brand to take pinion on! Starting at 10k is just way too high! Cannot wait for this to become more affordable but without someone like canyon for example taking this on for many it’s just a pipe dream! Fingers crossed this gets the buy in it very much needs!!!
And make a commuter bike....
A Propain Ekano with Pinion MGU would obliterate the market of current ebikes.. and Propain and Pinion are basically neighbours. Just saying!
@@SolarizeYourLife you don't need a MGU on commuter bike :D that's just waste of parts. single speed with 250w hub motor is more than enough for your 2km commute
@@DuBstep115 who the hell are you telling me tho BS do you have to bike 400 m climb to work everyday??? Screw off...
Specialized would have this bike at $20,000 .
When the Mondraker Guy in your last Podcast said he was skeptical about the Pinion MGU it was clear to me that the whole industry fears the impact of this technology. It will be interesting when other manufacturers are able to enter the integrated market. As a consumer I would certainly rather wait for a better selection of similar bikes instead of buying old derailed tech.
there is literally no reason to buy anyhting else. no matter what specialized or anyone comes out with now.. if i see a derailuer i'm thinking "old surpassed tech"
If Doddy was still with GMBN there would 100% be an episode where he waxed lyrical about how amazing the Pinion MGU is.
@@alexioflexio8818 I was thinking the same when I bought my Radon Render in 2021with at that time the best motor: Bosch CX. Now 3 year I hate the crap design they did on the Bosch CX and the waterproofness. Plenty stuff can still go wrong with a MGU with plastic gears or misalligned bearings or not enough cooling etc. Only time will tell. I definitely will wait a few years but I really like the concept.
I would buy it immediately if it would be 180/180 travel, mixed wheels, max 440 mm chainstay length. I really hope one manufacturer will make a bike with this specification and with this MGU.
Looks a great upgrade for sure love how Nicolai have interesting frame designs
I rode this and the Simplon MGU and loved them both. I was torn between the two but ended up going for the Simplon.
Both are amazing though.
Why the simplom ? The nicolai looks like a much more premium bike
Simplon is a boutique brand and put a lot of time and effort into the bikes (not saying Nicolai don't). In my opinion the Simplon also looks premium, but just in a different way. The rest is a personal choice.
But for me it was the weight distribution. The Nicolai had a 'overall' weighty feel, which I think was the problem for me (exceptionally difficult do a wheelie on it without a lot of effort). However, this was not the case with the Simplon. I think it's down to the carbon frame on the Simplon. I was also able to do a decent bunny hop on the Simplon but when I tried it on the Nicolai it was just too hard. I just don't know why. Frame geometry perhaps? Either way I didn't get to test on a proper trail but if I was to translate what I experienced (albeit limited) there were slight nuances between the two bikes and I felt the Simplon felt more at home to my riding style.
I spent a lot of time on them both and was torn between them. I didn't decide just on looks. Both are great choices but Simplon took the edge for me. 👍
@@kr8490 it’s funny because to me the simplon looks less premium. In my opinion it looks bulky and not like any of the common e-bikes imo. Now that you said that I would love to find one to hop on and find out more. Not common in the USA. I can’t even buy the Nicolai here. I believe they are what you are saying I just let my first impression of what I thought of the look deceive me.
Lovely bikes those Nicolais. Really hope these Pinion MGUs filter down to less boutique brands because 10k on a bike is too much for me.
I remember seeing Nicolai's first gearbox back in the day and thinking "this is the future" but the industry wasn't ready and the market wasn't there. It's so great to see their dream becoming a reality, it's just a shame it took so long.
Think I'd still rather have my gears separate to my motor. If my gears should fail then it's only a £40-100 part. Not take the motor off and sent to manufacturer and wait weeks/months job.
@@tombowman4489 How many gear boxes youv'e changed on your car?
@@moozeex1 this particular car I'm driving now none lol. But that's not to say I've not had grear boxes go on vehicles over the years because I have more than once. And on my car my engine and my gearbox are separate things. One braking does not mean taking out or replacing the other.
Also my cars and vans do not get subjected to the water, grit and mud that my ebikes do. Ebikes motors DO fail ALOT.
@@tombowman4489 This one is not like the other motors on the market - it is oil filled like a "real" gearbox.
@@Derbloongood point. I do definitely dig the concept and the thought of it being more reliable than others motors. Only time will till I guess.
love this bike - i keep putting off purchasing my first EMBT waiting for a shelf plateau of tech but it just keeps getting better
When is Pinion going to come to bikes in the US
Great work Rob, this has to be the future or variations of this at least. ZF motor looks super interesting too.
can't wait for derailers to be things of the past. its long overdue.
They been gay since 85
Finally he is so right!!
I have been waiting 20 plus years for this
I visited the EuroBike today. This thing is hell of a weightmonster, buuuuut the drop producing absolutly no Sound at all, is soooo satisfying.
Great to see Nicolai on the Pinion train, but I noticed that CNC'd / embossed surface of the frame makes it near impossible to cover with frame protection film.
Hope not every Pinion bike end up in the $10K+ segment and we can actually get one for $6K.
It's a nice concept, although not worth the hefty price tag. Plus keeping your gears separate from the motor does have a few benefits.
I have an emtb (Commencal) I go through drivetrains as if they were going out of style. 2 cassettes and front rings a year and 3 to 4 chains a year. Ebikes are hard on drivetrains. I really like the idea of the internal gears and using a belt. With the higher price tag, I think I'd save money on replacing my drivetrain in the long run. When they come to my neck of the woods (West Coast Canada) to test ride, I'll be definitely testing one out.
@@surfingmoose have you ever thought of trying a geared hub, kindernay do a hub that can take 160nm, you can even get belt drive, and you could convert a bike to belt drive on most FS bikes.
@@acelectricalsecurity was thinking of a rohloff at one point but that was for an analog bike. I'll look at kindernay hub. Thanks for pointing that out.
This is my dream bike !
Let Rob explain what happens when there is a Bosch motor and/or pinion transmission failure for this bike. How warranty works, how long warranty will be effective and what the related downtime is. This isn't like you taking your BMW motorcycle to the BMW dealer.
This is pretty much the biggest thing I think about when buying any new ebike at the moment bike at.
If it lasts as long as the other gearboxes from Pinion there should be no problems with longevity. It has an oil filling that is way better versus conventional motors that let water in through the gaskets.
I’ll tell you what happens when there’s a Bosch motor failure. We take your bike, verify that it’s warranty. We drop the motor and work out what the issue is, and if it can’t be fixed, then we go into the system and apply to Bosch to have it replaced, stating what it issue is. They then send us a new motor, and we send the old one back. In less than a week it’s replaced with a new replacement, and ready for the customer. I have no experience with Pinion though.
Yep I've heard lots of stories of excellent after sales service from Bosch. Had a little experience myself where I had to call them and found them to be great. Getting through to them was easy and the advice was sound. Don't think you can call anyone in relation to other brand motor on my other bike and I know they don't releas parts either. For this reason and the fact I can't afford pinion or that new DJI system my next bike will be a Bosch powered.
This will be my next E MTB....no doubt....i should start the gofundme account soon.
Give me a 190mm version and I'm sold.
We need these in USA/Canada.. make it happen Nicolai!
Why this gearbox combined concept wasn't adopted from day one with Ebikes I don't know.
If the pro auto shift override is used too much the bike should alter the fixed cadence to a more suitable range for the rider , e.g. if you set cadence at 80 but are constantly down shifting it should set to 79 , then 78 and creep it until the rider mostly stops down shifting manually , an early up shift should alter it the other way , all averaged out over several mins of use . Gradient should also alter the cadence slightly IF you choose to have that happen . or the app should recommend your best cadence based on your actual demand .
It does do that. If you override the auto.shift in the pro mode, it analyses the new cadence and adjusts to it. So no more fighting with automatic shifting like with other systems.
this is the only bike i want. finally, it feels like we have a fully resolved emtb with the right features. everything else was just building up to this moment. when are you selling in USA please?
Rob did you order from the Nicolai website for shipping to the UK?
👍Nice bike😋
It should be nice to know the over rin "time limit" (how long time the motor gives padel free assist) in race😊.
I would buy the first SL "gearbox" Emtb when it comes with a ability to torq controll by the rider and its gona have stepless variator as in a Snowmobile with a belt. This stuff gona be protected in this "gearbox" and have same Gates Carbon drive.
This would be light, silent, above all maintenance free🤔😅
Just TRY to get one in the US. Can’t be done so far. Love the Pinion MGU; is it UL listed yet?
That's the way to do it 🙂
Once again and always - price! 💞
price is teh last thing to worry about. get the right product fo ryou. you can always work harder.. this is small money. just get industrious and you won't worry about money anymore. this is the best bike.. price is basically irrelevant.
When can we get this bike in the US?
That display unit needs to be integrated - could already see the unit has taken a knock. If it had a unit the top tube like the AMFLOW it would be the perfect bike! ( i know this is a Pinion not a Nicolai thing) .
When is Nicolai going to make a mullet 180/180 model? Sign me up!
I am waiting for some lightweight emtb with pinion. Thats my nextbike. I.e. if they put it on Orbea Rise which weighs 15.9kg, the bike would be how much? 18kg? Yes, please!
Check the Bulls Vuca with carbon frame and MGU
@@Derbloon I read somewhere it is 25kg. I am looking for something below 20kg. But thanks for the tip anyway.
Are you going to change your bike colour from RAW to cherry now? Looks a gorgeous red.
I keep changing my mind! I also saw a real nice light green colour Nicolai!! too many decisions haha
@@RobRidesEMTB Your first thought about no paint means no chipping / no rust is still a sensible one.
Would love a pinion option in Canada
Yes, even if only for test rides.
my dream bike, but the price :(
Cool bike. That price though😬
@RobRidesEMTB what is the warranty on the Pinion MGU and what does it encompass
Only waiting for two more add ons . 1 150nm torque motor 2 Manuel over ride lever
The MGU is the Future, just need to team up with DJI and we have the future for all of us.
Can I ask you did you hearing about battery graphene which any bike has this technology.
Hoping this bike comes to Canada someday, I really think it could be the last bike I ever buy.
I watched this video now the 3rd time.
Tells me i will buy it...
Amasing bike❤ would love to know the frame weight of the Saturn 16 mgu ?
I want this bike , i have th efunds for this bike, But according to Nicolai i cant as im in australia and something to do with the battery not being allowed for sale as of yet... would be great to know of a workaround :P
How large a battery will this frame hold.. and removable??
if the bike rides as impressively as the engineering behind it, this is going to be a huge leap.
Did you get your bike already?
I saw Leo in the background 🤞
Yeah, I spotted that on his mobile. It looked like he was replying to emails /social media regarding swing arms
😂😂😂 seriously tho will be interesting to see how pole return and what they will launch with. Have a lot to work to cover with regard to consumer confidence in the brand.
US market- (Insert Caddy Shack meme) "Well!? WERE WAITING!"
Price is important but the total weight is more so. Can you go uphill after the battery runs out?
of course you can, if your legs are strong enough!
The manufacturer (Pinion) says you can change gears 1000 times before the battery runs out
I’ve contacted Nicolai about when the Saturn 16 will be available in the USA and told the battery is not USA certified yet? Anyone any further intel on what this really means and when might bikes be available for purchase? Cheers,
So is this an upcoming model or is this available now and is it a software update?
Its definitely a bike made for journalists. Flash looking and lots of features to talk about. Not what I or anyone really needs. Maintenance is about cost, and the MGU cost exceeds regular maintenance.
I raelly really want this bike. perhaps they will sell the motor and frame separately which will make it easier for me to get.
Is this really significant updates? I do not see that in daily riding to be honest - I have an Rohloff with Bosch - and blet drive. SO kind of samesame but different - this does not ofer autoshift yet - but after all - that is "dont think or care" system, availabel since years - now with MGU from pinion, but was there 10Years ago too... Might be little different for tech section riders... I rode mountain bike 25years ago... back then light bikes were the most important thing - nothing changes there ;) The Chain drive was and is working pretty well.
My LBS very cynical on these as they say little service support so if something goes wrong you could be left stranded. What do you think?
So every time a new motor comes out you will have to buy a hole new bike again, correct? or can you just buy the new motor to put into your 1 year old bike?
How much does the bike weigh ?
Muito tope ésa baike meu sonho é ter uma dessa
I love it, can we please get it with an 800 W hour battery, 1000 W peak motor with 120 N meters of torque.? Pretty please?
Well that's easy then, the pinion mgu has main battery's up to 950Wh, with an option for an extension battery of 530Wh.
The strongest motor is 800 Watt and has 160nm torque in the lowest gears.
R thoughs sold in the us ?
Retail price in the States?
Please tell me you do it in raw aluminium 😊
Sure, Nicolai is offering it in "factory raw" 🤝
Can I get one shipped to the USA?
😍
@Leokokkonen in the background at around @4:14, a colab planned to but out the remains of Pole Bicycles.....
Future is NOW 🙌 take my money🤪
It's all good but if you can't get one how is anyone in Australia ever going to get one. The Pinion MGU is a great design but the coffee grinder uphill sound would kill the joy of riding for me. It's a shame someone doesn't get the Revonte system into production .My SUPER QUIET and smooth 1.3 Aluminium 90Nm Brose motor and a Rohloff hub is still my choice. E=Mtb²
what's with that high noize level?
Dear Santa
No wonder it's expensive. 2 hours of CNC machining, welding TIG by hands . No doubt it's high quality, but you now, some Eastern guys could stolen the idea. Make stamping, casting, automatic welding lines and as a result cheaper in a great volumes
Yes, however still a knock-off. The difference between a Rolex and a Bolex.
You said you ordered one Rob. So where can i buy one in the uk?
They’ve just approved for UK sales. You can email Nicolai direct and they will be able to arrange this.
@@RobRidesEMTBIt’s an amazing bike Rob and the top of my list but warranty really worries me. If it has a major issue is there a UK base it can be sent to or would it have to be shipped back to Germany?
I believe that was one of the things they were sorting out, leading to the delay getting the UK approved. My understanding is they have now sorted warranty support in the UK.
When are they going to have pinion emtbs in the US?@@RobRidesEMTB
Rob, I've got a Voima, and my kenevo sl doesn't get ridden much now. I'm in Utah, US. We need this brand here. Where do I buy? 190mm please:).
How much $$$ ? Can I get a KTM 350 for the same price ?
Haha, delivering to the UK costs more than the bike itself! £10,000 delivery charge? They must be having a right laugh-probably trying to fund their next holiday! 😂
Why cnc when you can cast....
What is all this recent hype for overrun? Do we really need it? I think not. My latest bike has almost none (RM powerplay) and it is a way better climber for it. Less overrun = more control. The amount of times overrun would be beneficial is very limited for the average user. But overrun is the nr. 1 reason for destroying chains and cassettes. So if you are going to make overrun a standard feature at least have the user be able to select the amount, or allow it to be turned off.
0:19 Rob Heran's head :D
Pole bikes woud perfectly fit to nicolais brand. just saying
2018 bug: motor surges
2020 feature: motor doesn't surge
2025 feature: motor surges
It was a bug, now a feature.
Does i really weigh 27 kg? 59.52 lbs?
👍🏾🤝❤❤❤❤
DJI bike has ruined interest in any other bike for me. Damn you Rob!
Thats exactly why I wont buy an ebike, the technology is moving too fast at the moment. If i buy one it will be out of date within a couple years. My normal bike will hold up a lot longer. Maybe once the tech slows down I'll look into getting one.
if Pinion changes their measurements, ya can’t replace the gears / motors.
11000€?! Nuts! I can get a KTM motorbike for that almost.
yes but this is more fun i think. bigger faster isn't always better.. i might not dirtbike as much if i have this.
You can have a Kove 450 Rally for 10k€, and spend the remaining 1000 on petrol.
@@Un1uM Makes sense.
@@markosteinberger I’d take the Nicolai over the KTM. In England there’s not many places you can legally ride a dirt bike off road. On an ebike you can go wherever a normal bike can go.
I’m fortunate enough to own a motorbike a normal mtb and an emtb and if I could only keep one I’d choose the emtb in a heartbeat.
The Nicolai is undoubtedly very expensive but it is a boutique brand and not a mass produced item like a KTM.
Hopefully cheaper brands will adopt the pinion MGU in the future.
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11k bike made of aluminum with only 5 year warranty. At least Van Nicholas offers lifetime frame warranty on its titanium bikes
Eu moro no Brasil na Bahia em Ilhéus terra do surf motonbike
weight?!
Apprix 26 KG - I have purchased mine to build up in a dream build vid and will be sure to add the bike to the scales.
Bro is riding 10 × my net worth💀😭
Que pena que não tenho dinheiro pra comprar uma pra mim.
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Been riding Nicolai bikes for 2 decades but this bike is priced a bit to high for my pocket
Rob eu vejo seus vídeos muitas bikes boas eu gosto muito eu gosto de criar minhas peças garfos cubos eu queria ter um lugar eu não tenho crio peças de bike no meu quarto
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