LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NEW DESTINED ONES! | DIVINEZ DISCUSSION + THEORY | CARDFIGHT!! VANGUARD
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
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In this video, I'll be going over my thoughts on each of the new Destined One units and theorizing what possible effects they may have. It's a pretty open ended topic all things considered to expect a lot of conjecture and personal opinion in this video. If you have ideas or critiques, be sure to share them in the comments section below. I hope you enjoy! 
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You really cooked with Liael bro, that was wayyy exceeded my expectation 😂😂
Super happy to hear that thank you! Definitely wanted to do her justice and so far seems like folks approve!
Something I was thinking about with liael odium and hikari especially after the op 2 is that I don’t think hikari and liael would ever truly stand aganist those 2 but in the op there’s one shot of hikari looking at akina that make think of two theory
1. Is that she feel like she stole his time away from Akina and while she love his selfless she also hates! And wants him to live his own life. I mean dub hikari called it his “hero complex” 😂
But anyways I do think your theory about self hate is strong theory
The second theory is that she felt like her time with him was stolen from her. And hates how things have turn out. And like future hikari wish to get the time that was lost to her
And if sylibt truly as gab say maybe she could played on that emotion of hikari all the Loneliness, anger and anxiety.
Which even beyond that it’s seem that in the opening seem the destined one user may have strong negative feelings to the fated one user. Maybe sylibt could manipulate the hearts of the other destined one fighter?
Your Liael=Odium is pretty strong both offensivly and defensively. With the right support it would be tough to beat.
I finally got around to finishing this video - some very cool ideas! They feel like they'd all be really interesting units to play and build decks around, and I love how much thought you clearly put into all of them going by their appearances and what kind of skills have precedence in each of their Nations. I especially really like what you came up with for Levidras, taking the concept of 'infinity' in a different direction than just power levels, like how Blangdmire represents 'zero' in a non-power manner.
I had a vague but similar idea of 'building an ultimate unit' for Impauldio like you did, though mine was more like having Set Orders that represent different armaments or armors (like Silhouette, but with Set Orders instead of different Armed Arms). I really like your idea of a unit that just busts through all your opponent's defenses after a charging period for gathering Energy and scrap gauges.
As for Lisciafael, probably the least predictable of the six, I think the Idol Counter mechanic is really interesting and ties thematically into the concept of an 'idol of Supremacy'. I don't quite understand what you'd do with the opponent's units once you take them though, since the Idol Counters would keep them from attacking or intercepting. Although I guess you could still use their abilities? Just curious to know what you had in mind.
Incidentally, I had a dream last night about a Yuna/Mikoto fight where Lisciafael could forcefully replace Superior Called units with other units, and her Divine Skill had something to do with having as many Set Orders as possible to create a chorus of voices. (And also she could decide where the opponent's VG circle was located at the start of the fight?) I just thought I'd mention since I stumbled on this video today. I hope whatever these units end up being is exciting like your ideas!
Thanks for the kind words! Honestly ya might've been cooking with that dream, it'd be a pretty nice way to interpret the "Supremacy" bit, especially because of how it hampers Krysrain!
Oh I just thought of something hikari. What if her becoming a destined one gave her the damned future versions of herself memories. This would make it so hikari actually knows what happened in that alt timeline and this one and hikari might be finally trying to get him to care more about himself since she pointed out how he hardly ever cares for himself since he loves helping others
@@streetgamer3452 superpowers in card games? Yup checks out
My theory for Levidra’s effect would be more great nature based
Ah that's a cool angle, we need more GN
I actually have my own take on Aelquilivria's skill, with the "scales" being more on balancing all of your beaters' power to your vanguard
[AUTO](VC): When this unit attacks, [COST][Counter Blast (1)], and this unit gets [Power]+10000 until end of turn. Then, perform all of the following according to this unit's [Power].
・23000 or more - Choose one of your rear-guards, and [Stand] it.
・33000 or more - This unit gets [Critical]+1 until end of that battle.
・43000 or more - This unit gets drive +1 until end of that battle.
Divine Skill - [AUTO](VC)1/Turn: At the end of the battle this unit attacked a grade 3 or greater vanguard, if this unit's [Power] increased due to your card effects during this turn, [COST][Soul Blast (2)], choose two of your [Stand] rear-guards, and increase those unit's [Power] by this unit's [Power] until end of turn.
The levi one was a genius props to you all of the cards seem like they actually might happend accept for the darkstate one in my opinion buthey good vid ! only thing i say make it shorter
What I care are ALDEN (make Alden great again!), and red plushie (voiced by Kugyu)
Make Alden great again
Your custom cards were very interesting, Godsman. Well done!
I also love how some of them were not Vanguard-centric; people have a tendency to associate your G3 = boss and give them way too much power in addition to their support.
Exactly! Some felt that a few of these cards were underpowered but I simply designed them to be one part of the puzzle alongside theoretical support, super happy to hear someone else point that out cuz it's often an overlooked principle of vanguard card design.
@@godsman00 While that does make sense, there are definitely some decks that revolve around the Vanguard, like Varga and Blangdmire. So I feel like having one or two Destined Ones being big boss cards, while some (specifically Alden cuz that’s how he’s always played) be pieces of a bigger puzzle, as you put.
Possibly candidates for big boss cards would definitely be Exceedance, and Supremacy, and maybe Infinity.
Also, as an Alden enjoyer myself, I also had an interesting idea for his Divine Skill. Which basically could turn any card you call to guard circle into a PG, without giving it Sentinel effect so it’s not just shut down by Blangdmire. He is the Destined One of Protection, after all, so it’s definitely not out of the ball park, and Divine Skills can only be used once per game, so it’s not too overpowered either.
Season 2 is coming out right in time for my birthday july 7
Oh nice shall you wait until your B-day to watch E.1 or is that too long to wait lol?
Good video. The one thing I learned about The Fated Ones is that their Divine Skills are kind of linked to their Fated One Title. So for The Destined Ones I feel like it's gonna be the same way with their Divine Skills tied to their title. So I agree with your theories.
Imagine Supremacy of all things actually does end up being that literal control of play 🤣
Big fan of all of the destined ones cards. Lisciafael looking so much like an idol makes sense given Yuna is supposed to be a super otaku fan of Mikoto.
It's a sort of cruel take ngl, she may very well play more similar to Krysrain than different but hey the whole idol counters bit still had a brother feeling inspired 😂.
Glad ya liked them!
@@godsman00 Hard to say at this stage, curious to see how it’ll be differentiated, but design wise I can understand Lisciafiel’s design being pretty basic
i could see them bringing Michiru in to have a battle with Shinobu as a cardfight to take a short break between the plot with them giving the win to Shinobu to show his growth as a cardfighter . it would be super funny they try to give the dark state card to Shinobu with him rejecting it and find it disrespectful for asking he would want it since he like greedon then Hikari takes it.
Lol plus it'd give us Michiru back which pretty much all of us want 😂
Question, shouldn't Liael divine skill triggers persona ride so Liael will be 28K instead of 18K? Not to mention you will also draw a card from it.
That is kind of broken even for a Divine Skill.
Funnily enough that's not the case! Persona ride only triggers under 2 circumstances:
1. A normal ride during the ride phase between units of the same name with the persona ride marker/ability.
2. An ability states you perform persona ride (i.e Gratias Gradale, glitter bosses, etc ).
This wouldn't trigger persona ride as it's a superior ride, so it'd actually have to say you conduct a persona ride for it to trigger. Hope that clears things up for you!
@@godsman00 Oh nice, you can't actually Persona Ride during your opponent turns. So I say that's a pretty nice Divine Skill.
Really solid Video, also many theory says there will be 7th destined one. Like Bavsagra is antithesis to Nirvana, Liael is to Rezael people assume the 7th is from Stoicheia but still a mystery
Ah that so? Guess it isn't too surprising though ngl I kinda don't want, Amorta's reveal was super shocking and a cool twist that made sense given future hikari's existence, but something tells me a 7th destined one wouldn't be so great a twist since we're kind of expecting it low key.
@@godsman00 ahhh but we sometimes we might just be trolled and the friend of akina can very be the 7th destined one right under our nose the producer has cooked we just don't know it nor realize it🤔
Keep cooking my man🔥
You know it 💪
I was thinking a fun idea they could do is have all of Liael’s future support be split nation cards, their effects wouldn’t be massive, but maybe have a different effect depending on which nation your Liael VG is
If Levidras divine skill was what you predicted then it would need good support cause then levidras sucks without it's divine skill.
It's sort of like Rezael in my eyes, a card that's pretty decent as a boss but relies on its strong support to carry the day.
Ok you put in some very interesting custom ideas man, so here's my thoughts on them with some of my own interpretations on how else they could've gone
Scales - This one actually has an interesting playstyle overall, and it actually makes the theme of balance work for the game. It's a good card, but I think my only concern is how well can it recover after each time it's wiping it's own board
Liael=Odium - This definitely feels like it's just if Liael was a reverse unit, the skills are almost the opposite of Amorta. I think maybe the time theme could've just been directed towards the opponent instead of just for yourself. Cuz Odium being hate, could also just take it out on the opponent.
And just dumping it in this section, but here's my newfound theory on what's up with Hikari. I think after she got chosen to be one of the Destined Ones, Sybilt, the new dragon plushie, told Hikari everything about the fated clash, and I mean EVERYTHING. She found out about Akina taking part in it, her future self and the alternate timeline, and the fact that Akina was still going even after knowing what his fate was. Hikari didn't like how Akina was trying to cure her behind her back, especially when she didn't ask him to, but she was more angry of the fact that Akina was still gonna struggle and risk dying from his fate even after knowing that. Hikari didn't like Akina's self sacrifice complex, and knew that he's just been feeling guilty cuz of whatever happened. So Hikari wants to two things in the Destined Showdown, she wants to prove herself to Akina that he doesn't need to keep being protective of her by going against him on her own, and have her wish to travel back in time again and prevent that accident so Akina doesn't develop this complex that he built over it. In a nutshell, she's hating on her brother cuz he doesn't have any self love for himself and only prioritizing her and others. But she's also doing all this because she still loves her brother and doesn't want him to continue this self destructive path he's on.
Exceedance - The playstyle is actually not a bad take on reflecting Senka's battleholic personality. I think EB9 is too expensive, the divine skill is certainly expensive, but the fact that you need to pay a CB as well for every unit placed on GC makes it only be a few instances of happening. Take supports in mind and it could probably only retire 2 on average. Other ideas I have for exceedance is that it either has the same effects as the OT counter cards, gaining power equal to opponent's Vanguard, or have a Dragonic Descendant effect
Protection - This version of Alden is actually easy to play honestly. More accurately It's easier than mine since mine was kinda complex into it's playstyle. So may have cooked a bit too much with mine, but yours is fine to. Although you could've had the divine skill increase shield power as well like mine.
Infinity - This one feels similar to Rezael when it was first revealed, it looks easy and plain. It's kind of interesting, abut I think a bit more could've been done with the divine skill. The copy effect you could've let any of ur units not just levidras be the one that copies an effect. And what you could've done is if a rearguard would be copying Levidras' effects, that effect can be activated in RC as well allowing the rearguard to have the multi attack effect with the power increase as well. And it's still a rearguard so it doesn't benefit from the +1 drive of the skill.
That's just a creative suggestion though, and your approach to infinity is intriguing. My idea was either it has a gimmick of creating something like the accel circles from V format, creating new space of RCs, or when you brought up the revive idea, revive units with the same name and gaining some benefits from that. So it's like a mix of Granblue and Bloom mechanic
Supremacy - Agreed this one is iffy but not a bad concept, only problem is what do you do the turn after your rears get idol markers? They can't attack anymore so you have to call them over for more attacks. The vanguard doing a solo attack would be a cool concept, but it's not enough cuz it doesn't punish PGs. The on attack of applying idol counters or else call something over works, but if the opponent just gives them the counters then pgs, it's not as punishing I think. And the divine skill feels like putting bugs in the game already with moving them to your field, I feel like what you could've done is that those units with the counters just apply debuffs to the opponent's Vanguard for just being there, like power loss. I don't want to suggest dominate cuz we know how broken that is in this format.
Yeah while some of these cards I do find interesting to play, or not realistic to the game's standards, or most likely gonna be far from what the official skills are, these are some solid cards man.
Good breakdowns all around, and tbh I agree most of these aren't super powerful but that's because I envision dedicated support would be given to them to complete their strategies; after all, no vanguard should do literally everything for a deck 😂.
Nice Hikari theory, ngl feels like it could easily be how it actually goes down. I mean, given her character it's pretty easy to imagine her getting pissed lol.
I'm excited for season 2
Same!
The dragon empire one looks like he has like equipments or like other units attached to him. Could be a grade skipper like ezal or daiyusha. Idk BG took the arms idea so why not take the robo fusining into a big robot idea. DE already took the fusing of 2 units to be the grade 3 from leuhan so yeah i think they just be taking cool deck me hanics from other nations. For infinity stoichea guy if its not more power its more attacks. So i feel like well get a sort of like accelmarker situation where u can have 4 front row units (only 4 for balancing issues ) accel marker ptsd. But then his support lets him put cards back to hand and call cards. For mechanic problems we should put a card gets 5k when its called in battle phase. Something like that. Otherwise increase power based on how much cards was used that turn. Everything else im clueless simply cuz i have yet to look at them with deeper intent cuz i have recently gotten into DE thanks to varga and i was a stoichea man till divinez.
Oooooo I like it!
Lieal seems to be upset at Rezael. I hope they have a scene in the show with Rezael looking shooketh by seeing Odium after (only recently) seeing his og Amorta basically die protecting him from Blangdmire.
(Plus it can give rezael a chance to be more expressive since he is the only fated one who seems to be very stiff, like everyone else has a personality to them)
On card design, Your version of Odium also fits. Very much mirroring Amorta but more conservative. Keter seemed to be more aggressive focused, but DS seems to keep away others.
Agreed, there's a lot of angst from this that I hope gets openly resolved.
Glad ya dug the card!
My prediction for liel=odiums base skill is putting a unit into soul then calling a copy of it from drop so ours are similar
@@Boringwerewolf ah that'd be pretty powerful!
@@godsman00 it's like the keter version got corrupted
Theme
@@godsman00also I am working on a custom destined one on the topic of destined ones
2:02 I did a double take if it was twink,,, it was type!
I liked your idea with DE! More sins, and when it comes crashing down the consequence is atrocious. And it mirrors the Operate decks where they specialize in power negation ugh your mind (still watching)
Glad to hear it! Ngl Scales is one of the ones I'm most proud of 😂
@@godsman00Liael one also interesting my guy this is really like seeing time from both side the minute hand and the hour hand, P.M and A.M, future and present such duality
@@geraldushimawan8269 God if there was one of these I'd want to be the irl effect it'd be hers, it's so thematically in tune.
@@godsman00 also any thought on possible 7th destined one?
I hope the DE guy has a mix of Tachikaze and Narukami playstyles and rearguards since they're the least represented of the DE clans
I had a way more cooked up idea for Alden’s divine skill
Keep Alden’s original call skill of 3 different graded rearguards, then return one to your hand & call others if their grades r equal or less then the called unit.
But after that effect, if the field now has 4 units with different grades (which I think is doable) have Alden stand again (-2 drive) & give the front row +10000 power.
Ah ok so basically make it more aggressive overall I gotchu
@@godsman00 well he is holding 2 swords now & I may have taken a little inspiration from Dragres
Hey does anyone see that levidras kinda looks like leviathan dragon from yugioh especially in the poster with rezael
Hey I respect your opinion for the brandt gate theme however not trying to be mean but don't you see the big similarities of messiah and this plus also if they go into the lock mechanic for this then that be probably the best way to counter Varga dragress because lock cards cannot be retired unless it's the circle it's that's being targeted varga cannot use its terrifying equalization in retireing a the opponets units while gaining attacks by both vanguard and rearguard plus then it'll just be a testament of strength and truly see who is better because if I remember right the brandt gate user has a rivalry with nao
I mentioned at the beginning of the BG section that it does look like Messiah but my interpretation is that it won't play like Messiah, because it'd be a weird way to reintroduce locks plus the overall feel of the player just doesn't really strike me as that sort of LJ player y'know? It's all personal opinion of course so your interpretation is as good as mine 😂.
@@godsman00 thank you and sorry I didn't see the beginning but thank you
when will season 2 release??
EP.1 airs July 5th!
Very late, I know, but I wanna share my idea for Alden cuz he’s one of my favorite decks/units.
A Destined One Alden I had in mind would keep his draw two, but this time during battle phase for calling units from hand. Like “on attack, cb1 and sb1, return a rearguard to hand, call up to two cards with grade less than or equal to the returned card, then draw two cards”. Or we could replace the draw two with a “look at top x cards of deck, add two from among them to hand” to avoid drawing into triggers on accident. Then for his Divine Skill, he would essentially turn one card called to guard circle into a PG, but not giving it the Sentinel effect so it’s not shut down by Blangdmire. And since Divine Skills can only be used once per game, this skill can’t be abused and is therefore not overpowered.
alden!!