@@delcanvideoproductions4895 Congratulations! Right now I need to choose between Deity D3 Pro and and Rode VideoMic Pro, So your video help me very much to consider.
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 It honestly led to me purchasing the mic. It's on my shelf right now, it'll go to Miami with me this weekend for some testing. :)
@@WaltSnider Let us know how you get on. If you are using it on a windy day you might try covering the exposed back and under the Lyre mount with a loose fitting fur cover.
Have a look at my earlier indoor tests with combinations of bass cut and treble boost if you want to try out with your voice or your subject's voice ruclips.net/video/gi6zRNObW6E/видео.html
I think this was recorded direct into a Panasonic Lumix FZ2000 DSLR, which has quite good clean pre amps for a camera). The Rode VideoMic Pro+ has a very strong clean output so even if a camera has poor pre amps this mic's output will normally be enough to defeat any camera pre amp hiss (and the Rode's output can also be boosted on the mic without noticable hiss, enabling the camera's mic gain to be pulled well down). For quiet environments or multiple mics I use a SoundDevices MixPre3 which has superclean preamps (and it can also deal with low output dynamic mics and 48v condensers). Usually the MixPre is fed directly to the camera, it is not normally necessary to replace the camera audio in the edit with the wav file from the MixPre3.
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 If I use Zoom H1N as audio recorder for Rode VideoMic Pro+, is it good? I want to alocate my money for inexpensive equipments.
@@VOKASINEMA Hi Bima, Sorry, I have never used the Zoom H1n . It was really designed for recording with its built-in stereo mics (altho handling noise can be a problem with that) but it also has a sensitive 3.5mm mic input. You would have to watch the levels though because the Rode is quite 'hot' but can be set -10db if necessary. As far as I can see you would have to feed the audio into your camcorder via the headphone output unless you are intending to import the wav files from the Zoom into your edit and synch up there with the sound from your camcorder's built in mic and replace the audio track. The Zoom H1n does appear to have time-code references for that. See Curtis Judd's review ruclips.net/video/hi5x5Go4eIY/видео.html He says he is not keen on the Zoom for recording dialogue but I think he is referring there (at 12m in) to recording with its built in stereo mics which you would not normally use for dialogue. So I think the Rode should be fine. A virtually 'no hiss' mic into low hiss preamps in the H1n should give good low noise recordings. The Rode can be set to output a second track at 10db lower then the primary track level so you have a safety feature (I think the H1n may have limiters anyway).
I don't normally record music events so I have not tried the Rode at an outdoor concert - I mainly use it for the on-camera soundtrack or off camera for interviews. I imagine it would be fine for most events including general outdoor music - but there are a number of things to consider when recording concerts outside. 1. Are you recording the instruments direct - in which case you would really need multiple mics unless it is something like a brass band or amplified music where you would need to choose the appropriate distance to get the proper 'mix' through the air (keep in mind that it is quite directional particularly when close to the sound source). The VdeoMicPro+ is very sensitive so don't stick it close to a speaker cabinet. Make sure there is no speaker cabinet behind the mic since it may pick up some sound from the back which would be out of phase. 2. Wind could be a problem in an outdoor location. Unless you are in a sheltered arena You would need at least a fur windcover over the foam one - but for any any serious recording outdoors where wind might be a problem the mic would need to be in a wind cage (there is no cage for the Rode VMPro+). Fur windcovers do attenuate higher frequencies so don't use fur for music if you don't need to. Be aware that the Rode VideoMic Pro+ is prone to wind noise disturbance from wind entering the rear switch panel and around the battery box underneath. I have made a prototype rear fur windcover to overcome this. See ruclips.net/video/GjH999gLkB8/видео.html 3. The Rode has a wide frequency response quoted at 20-20,000Hz It has good bass but it does have a 7db spike at 4,000Hz so if you are a purist you would need to EQ this afterwards. The high frequencies also drop off, so engaging the treble boost can help (particularly if you have a fur cover on), although it also boosts the 7db spike even more. Whether you would notice would depend on the type of music and whether you were trying to capture the pure music or the atmosphere of the event - and whether you tweak the EQ afterwards. As a general purpose mic the Rode is fine. It has very low inherent noise (ie no noticeable hiss) so you can get a very clear recording and it does not pick up handling noise. As with any mic, the distance from the sound source and the volume of the sound arriving at the mic makes a big difference. If you try it out please post your experience.
thanks for the great answer! I'm subscribing now! This will be my first external mic so I'm confused and the fact that I have to buy it today makes it even harder :) My main priority is an upcoming outdoor event that will take place on a mountain greek village where there will have a tribute to a musician. At one side of the square (near a wall) they will be a slide show with old photos of him and in front of the wall people will talk about him while in between music videos will also play at the wall. There's a possibility of a small live perfomance too (not a big orchestra, just a clarinet player). Later people will dance so there will be some space between the wall side and the people. I guess I will stand in between the "stage" (there's no stage but I mean the wall side) and the people. I will set the camera on a tripod pointing at the "stage" with the mic on it while I will be free to use the second camera for close ups, general shots etc I'm not a purist but: 1.I want something better than the on-camera mic 2.It would be nice to avoid as much as possible of the general ambiance like people's noise (talks, glasses, small children playing around). Since the people will be behind (or to the side) of the camera the directional mic will help a lot I guess, right? 3.I'm not sure where they will have the speakers, so dont know for sure if the cam/mic will point to them or not
mindcrimeVT Nice to know this was helpful. Keep in mind that if your mic is pointing at the wall sound could bounce off the wall. I have found with audio recording it is better to get the mic up higher than camera level and point it down towards the performer at about 45 degrees (or a bit less if you are further back) ----provided that you are not going to get too much sound bouncing off the floor (depends on its surface etc). If the mic is pointing down a bit at the performer then you are less likely to get unwnated sounds if people pass behnd him. There are no hard and fast rules - but if you can take a headset and listen before you decide on your set up you will be able to get a feel for the acoustics of the place. You can sometimes get good results by mounting the mic low down and pointing it up at 45 degrees or so - since the sky is 'soft' and you won't get sound reflections from beyond the performer - but if people are likely to come close to the mic they may well provide you with some unwanted dialogue ot footsteps from hard pavers ! You have to listen and decide. To get good performance audio a mic needs to be closer to the performer than the sounds you don't want to feature. Directional mics are not magic - they pick up everything in front - including sounds beyond the performer if there are any - although you will be protected by the wall here. They also pick up sounds (albeit at a lower level ) from the rear lobe if people are close to the back and talking. Just in case it is windy take something to cover the mic. You could really do with someone to help you ! And watch the levels ! Clarinets can be loud. Set the Rode to record a safety track which will automatically be output to your right stereo track at a lower level - just in case. It has a switch on the back for this option. Play around with it alot before you go. Hope all goes well.
Hi Wilfred, thanks for your interest. I found that that Rode was a bit sensitive to wind noise from beneath and from the exposed back so I made a fur cover for the back/bottom, which helps. It is also worth applying bass cut on windy days - this can make a big difference. See ruclips.net/video/GjH999gLkB8/видео.html . I'm sure you'll enjoy using the Rode - no handling noise !!!
For indoor sound samples at various settings and comparison with a professional shotgun mic and a Sennheiser Lapel mic see ruclips.net/video/gi6zRNObW6E/видео.html
No, I found it on a market - it is a good quality fur not the sort that is often sold cheaply for toys which shed fur. Since this is at the back of the mic its acoustic transparency is not too important but you do not want a fur with a solid backing because it will thump when the wind hits it. In windy conditions I also apply bass cut on the mic, which makes a big difference and cuts the thumps from the wind.
@@klvnzln No, foam is not really necessary on the rear cover - it would make it rather bulky, but you can line the rear fur with soft material if you wish or even a bit of fur racing inwards to stop rubbing on the lyre mounts which can make a noise if the back of the fur is rough.
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Great video! Was looking for some outdoor tests!
Thanks for your interest. Must get round to reviewing some more mics !
This is great! Thank you for your outdoor test review
Thanks Bombo - must get around to doing more audio tests and mic comparisons. Didn't realise that this 2yr old piece had attracted over 2k views !
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 Congratulations! Right now I need to choose between Deity D3 Pro and and Rode VideoMic Pro, So your video help me very much to consider.
Really nice demo of the abilities, thanks. :)
Thanks Walt. Appreciated.
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 It honestly led to me purchasing the mic. It's on my shelf right now, it'll go to Miami with me this weekend for some testing. :)
@@WaltSnider Let us know how you get on. If you are using it on a windy day you might try covering the exposed back and under the Lyre mount with a loose fitting fur cover.
Have a look at my earlier indoor tests with combinations of bass cut and treble boost if you want to try out with your voice or your subject's voice
ruclips.net/video/gi6zRNObW6E/видео.html
Nice video!
Btw, what audio recorder do you use?
I think this was recorded direct into a Panasonic Lumix FZ2000 DSLR, which has quite good clean pre amps for a camera). The Rode VideoMic Pro+ has a very strong clean output so even if a camera has poor pre amps this mic's output will normally be enough to defeat any camera pre amp hiss (and the Rode's output can also be boosted on the mic without noticable hiss, enabling the camera's mic gain to be pulled well down). For quiet environments or multiple mics I use a SoundDevices MixPre3 which has superclean preamps (and it can also deal with low output dynamic mics and 48v condensers). Usually the MixPre is fed directly to the camera, it is not normally necessary to replace the camera audio in the edit with the wav file from the MixPre3.
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 If I use Zoom H1N as audio recorder for Rode VideoMic Pro+, is it good?
I want to alocate my money for inexpensive equipments.
@@VOKASINEMA Hi Bima, Sorry, I have never used the Zoom H1n . It was really designed for recording with its built-in stereo mics (altho handling noise can be a problem with that) but it also has a sensitive 3.5mm mic input. You would have to watch the levels though because the Rode is quite 'hot' but can be set -10db if necessary. As far as I can see you would have to feed the audio into your camcorder via the headphone output unless you are intending to import the wav files from the Zoom into your edit and synch up there with the sound from your camcorder's built in mic and replace the audio track. The Zoom H1n does appear to have time-code references for that. See Curtis Judd's review ruclips.net/video/hi5x5Go4eIY/видео.html He says he is not keen on the Zoom for recording dialogue but I think he is referring there (at 12m in) to recording with its built in stereo mics which you would not normally use for dialogue.
So I think the Rode should be fine. A virtually 'no hiss' mic into low hiss preamps in the H1n should give good low noise recordings.
The Rode can be set to output a second track at 10db lower then the primary track level so you have a safety feature (I think the H1n may have limiters anyway).
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 Thank you for your answer. It helps me.
@@VOKASINEMA it works perfectly, just use +20db on the mic, and 4-6 volume on the zoom h1n
Would you recomend this for a concert or other outdoor events or this type of mics are focused on voice narrator, interviews etc?
I don't normally record music events so I have not tried the Rode at an outdoor concert - I mainly use it for the on-camera soundtrack or off camera for interviews. I imagine it would be fine for most events including general outdoor music - but there are a number of things to consider when recording concerts outside.
1. Are you recording the instruments direct - in which case you would really need multiple mics unless it is something like a brass band or amplified music where you would need to choose the appropriate distance to get the proper 'mix' through the air (keep in mind that it is quite directional particularly when close to the sound source). The VdeoMicPro+ is very sensitive so don't stick it close to a speaker cabinet. Make sure there is no speaker cabinet behind the mic since it may pick up some sound from the back which would be out of phase.
2. Wind could be a problem in an outdoor location. Unless you are in a sheltered arena You would need at least a fur windcover over the foam one - but for any any serious recording outdoors where wind might be a problem the mic would need to be in a wind cage (there is no cage for the Rode VMPro+). Fur windcovers do attenuate higher frequencies so don't use fur for music if you don't need to. Be aware that the Rode VideoMic Pro+ is prone to wind noise disturbance from wind entering the rear switch panel and around the battery box underneath. I have made a prototype rear fur windcover to overcome this. See
ruclips.net/video/GjH999gLkB8/видео.html
3. The Rode has a wide frequency response quoted at 20-20,000Hz It has good bass but it does have a 7db spike at 4,000Hz so if you are a purist you would need to EQ this afterwards. The high frequencies also drop off, so engaging the treble boost can help (particularly if you have a fur cover on), although it also boosts the 7db spike even more. Whether you would notice would depend on the type of music and whether you were trying to capture the pure music or the atmosphere of the event - and whether you tweak the EQ afterwards.
As a general purpose mic the Rode is fine. It has very low inherent noise (ie no noticeable hiss) so you can get a very clear recording and it does not pick up handling noise. As with any mic, the distance from the sound source and the volume of the sound arriving at the mic makes a big difference.
If you try it out please post your experience.
thanks for the great answer! I'm subscribing now!
This will be my first external mic so I'm confused and the fact that I have to buy it today makes it even harder :)
My main priority is an upcoming outdoor event that will take place on a mountain greek village where there will have a tribute to a musician. At one side of the square (near a wall) they will be a slide show with old photos of him and in front of the wall people will talk about him while in between music videos will also play at the wall. There's a possibility of a small live perfomance too (not a big orchestra, just a clarinet player). Later people will dance so there will be some space between the wall side and the people.
I guess I will stand in between the "stage" (there's no stage but I mean the wall side) and the people. I will set the camera on a tripod pointing at the "stage" with the mic on it while I will be free to use the second camera for close ups, general shots etc
I'm not a purist but:
1.I want something better than the on-camera mic
2.It would be nice to avoid as much as possible of the general ambiance like people's noise (talks, glasses, small children playing around). Since the people will be behind (or to the side) of the camera the directional mic will help a lot I guess, right?
3.I'm not sure where they will have the speakers, so dont know for sure if the cam/mic will point to them or not
mindcrimeVT
Nice to know this was helpful.
Keep in mind that if your mic is pointing at the wall sound could bounce off the wall.
I have found with audio recording it is better to get the mic up higher than camera level and point it down towards the performer at about 45 degrees (or a bit less if you are further back) ----provided that you are not going to get too much sound bouncing off the floor (depends on its surface etc). If the mic is pointing down a bit at the performer then you are less likely to get unwnated sounds if people pass behnd him. There are no hard and fast rules - but if you can take a headset and listen before you decide on your set up you will be able to get a feel for the acoustics of the place.
You can sometimes get good results by mounting the mic low down and pointing it up at 45 degrees or so - since the sky is 'soft' and you won't get sound reflections from beyond the performer - but if people are likely to come close to the mic they may well provide you with some unwanted dialogue ot footsteps from hard pavers ! You have to listen and decide.
To get good performance audio a mic needs to be closer to the performer than the sounds you don't want to feature. Directional mics are not magic - they pick up everything in front - including sounds beyond the performer if there are any - although you will be protected by the wall here. They also pick up sounds (albeit at a lower level ) from the rear lobe if people are close to the back and talking.
Just in case it is windy take something to cover the mic. You could really do with someone to help you !
And watch the levels ! Clarinets can be loud. Set the Rode to record a safety track which will automatically be output to your right stereo track at a lower level - just in case. It has a switch on the back for this option. Play around with it alot before you go.
Hope all goes well.
Love your video, I just bough this microphone for vloging
Hi Wilfred, thanks for your interest. I found that that Rode was a bit sensitive to wind noise from beneath and from the exposed back so I made a fur cover for the back/bottom, which helps. It is also worth applying bass cut on windy days - this can make a big difference. See ruclips.net/video/GjH999gLkB8/видео.html . I'm sure you'll enjoy using the Rode - no handling noise !!!
For indoor sound samples at various settings and comparison with a professional shotgun mic and a Sennheiser Lapel mic see
ruclips.net/video/gi6zRNObW6E/видео.html
Is that fur from rode?
No, I found it on a market - it is a good quality fur not the sort that is often sold cheaply for toys which shed fur. Since this is at the back of the mic its acoustic transparency is not too important but you do not want a fur with a solid backing because it will thump when the wind hits it. In windy conditions I also apply bass cut on the mic, which makes a big difference and cuts the thumps from the wind.
@@delcanvideoproductions4895 thanks for reply. btw do you use the fur plus the foam. or only fur?
@@klvnzln No, foam is not really necessary on the rear cover - it would make it rather bulky, but you can line the rear fur with soft material if you wish or even a bit of fur racing inwards to stop rubbing on the lyre mounts which can make a noise if the back of the fur is rough.