For those wondering about the Blender video, it's still coming up! Just saw this post and wanted to share it with you guys and what your thoughts on it. And of course keep the discussion civil! AI art is a very emotionally charged topic, no need to be rude or condescending.
Was originally very, veeery apprehensive about AI entirely, but in recent times i've honestly settled to a point where i can agree to AI as a tool for the industry, albeit in a limited capacity (a crew of artists in a gamedev team willingly throwing their designs in a generator to further explore variations and permuations for stuff like themed armor and character design for example, here there is consent to use another's work all in the name of finding cool designs they would have otherwise neglected). my only problem kinda extends to the moral implications used outside the art industry proper. A lot of commision based artists solely reliant on social media are in bigger danger than industry folk. There had been a major case where an AI only artist accused another artist for theft of a similar looking art peice, when it was revealed that the AI artist simply took a screen-shot of the original artist's WIP illustration from a twitch livestream, threw it into an AI generator and printed a full image to post on twitter before the original artist could finish. The AI artist attempted to use the speed of the image generation as fraudulent proof and leverage, and to prop the entire situation as a publicity stunt to get people to notice them and get upvotes at the same time. while i'd love to believe that justice will always be served and karma returned, or that this is an isolated incedent, i can already feel the pressure commision artists have of needing to always have some sort of proof at the ready in case something like this happens, as its next to impossible to dispute and fight back against otherwise. Not everyone has a streaming setup for youtube or twitch, and not everyone has the hard drive space for a timelapse video for everything they drew. TLDR: as an industry tool with each contributing concept artist giving their own concent to volunteer their designs to a locally owned database, i have zero problems with AI. As a means of fraud, defamation and gaslighting on a large scale due to automation is what i am very, very fearful of.
totally agree with you. I also saw that incident you're talking about, I think I saw it on twitter: screenshotting then putting it inside an AI to instantly finish and polish the WIP then demanding credit for being used as reference is incredibly scummy. The account was rightfully suspended though Though this issue of proving you used AI or not in your artwork is sort of an early problem that won't last long once we all integrate AI into our workflow (Adobe is even attempting to bundle it with their software). The same with how no one really asks or judges us if we used Photoshop/CSP in our artworks in the modern world, I think it will be the same in the future where almost no one would really care if an artwork was done with the use of AI or not. But yes the commission artist space will definitely take a big hit. Professional artists that are already working inside the industry, has a big network to fall back on, and have multiple talents to provide once their job is endangered, these guys have way more leeway than the artists at the bottom...
I find it very funny how Google/RUclips hides videos like this. All the searching I do shows how perfect and wonderful AI is, but it's full of disgruntled people posting their opinions and criticize.
I guess using the AI properly and not using it against other people or artists is alright- but yeah accepting it is hard. Thank you for sharing your thoughts tho!
My initial response was utter disgust. But i do realize that i can't do anything to stop the progress. We adapt, adapt and adapt...Until what? Until fully automated generated entertainment? I don't know... This is depressing and awesome at the same time. Weird feelings.
Generators sound great if you get to use them offline on your own machine, iterating on your own work. But sampling other’s work still requires permission doesn’t it? Like in the music industry?
Yeah, I mean ideally it would require permission but with AI, it makes bad actors a lot less likely to get caught with plagiarism. Also permissions and copyright infringement in the music industry is WAY more strict because record labels have an army of lawyers that will hunt you down, unlike us artists wherein visual 'inspiration' and outright plagiarism is way less likely to have consequences. Funny thing, the same company that made Stable Diffusion is making Disco Diffusion, but apparently its data set are only coming from songs that are copyright free, unlike the dataset of SD, which contains countless copyrighted artworks from Pinterest, Artstation etc.
Yeah, just like training the AI to copy someone's style that easily i.e., what happened with Kim Jung Gi after passing away recently, doesnt sit well with me even if these AI artists have good intentions. We still need to come into an agreement about what we should and shouldn't do with this tech.
@@RexelBartolome it is not possible to properly regulate this at this point. Also: it has been implemented in many popular plattforms online. Great you embraced it - I have trained AI on my own illustration style. I never use living artists in my prompts. It is an immoral and really cheap way of doing things.
@@RexelBartolome Super Ani? Noooooo... Man, I work too much. Thank you for the heads up. I've resolved to send my last ink work Superani as without him, I wouldn't have invested in the inks and pens I did it with. Here's hoping there is an collection of art sent to Kim after his passing, I'm sure there is a lot of inspired and amazing stuff on their doorstep. As for AI in our space, it's just another instrument. Much like water color, or art in the digital medium displacing other more traditional media, we either take it in, or move to other specialties. Not everyone could afford the suites of tools to compete in the mainstream, and they're as creative as ever. Personally, I'm only just catching up and still trying to set up a stable environment to gain greater proficiency and productivity. The time of that and the release of ai tools however, may actually be an advantage, so, that's cool. Anyway, thanks for the content and here's to new subscriptions. 😎
Man.....😂who even cares about artists.....fun fact.... people worship gods and their sculptures they all are worshiping art ...if they are worshiping a god's painting that's also art .....😂....no matter if u don't respect art u worship it....just like i don't believe in god but i worship arts ...❤️❤️❤️❤️...... artists deserve more
For those wondering about the Blender video, it's still coming up! Just saw this post and wanted to share it with you guys and what your thoughts on it. And of course keep the discussion civil! AI art is a very emotionally charged topic, no need to be rude or condescending.
Was originally very, veeery apprehensive about AI entirely, but in recent times i've honestly settled to a point where i can agree to AI as a tool for the industry, albeit in a limited capacity (a crew of artists in a gamedev team willingly throwing their designs in a generator to further explore variations and permuations for stuff like themed armor and character design for example, here there is consent to use another's work all in the name of finding cool designs they would have otherwise neglected).
my only problem kinda extends to the moral implications used outside the art industry proper. A lot of commision based artists solely reliant on social media are in bigger danger than industry folk. There had been a major case where an AI only artist accused another artist for theft of a similar looking art peice, when it was revealed that the AI artist simply took a screen-shot of the original artist's WIP illustration from a twitch livestream, threw it into an AI generator and printed a full image to post on twitter before the original artist could finish. The AI artist attempted to use the speed of the image generation as fraudulent proof and leverage, and to prop the entire situation as a publicity stunt to get people to notice them and get upvotes at the same time.
while i'd love to believe that justice will always be served and karma returned, or that this is an isolated incedent, i can already feel the pressure commision artists have of needing to always have some sort of proof at the ready in case something like this happens, as its next to impossible to dispute and fight back against otherwise. Not everyone has a streaming setup for youtube or twitch, and not everyone has the hard drive space for a timelapse video for everything they drew.
TLDR: as an industry tool with each contributing concept artist giving their own concent to volunteer their designs to a locally owned database, i have zero problems with AI. As a means of fraud, defamation and gaslighting on a large scale due to automation is what i am very, very fearful of.
totally agree with you. I also saw that incident you're talking about, I think I saw it on twitter: screenshotting then putting it inside an AI to instantly finish and polish the WIP then demanding credit for being used as reference is incredibly scummy. The account was rightfully suspended though
Though this issue of proving you used AI or not in your artwork is sort of an early problem that won't last long once we all integrate AI into our workflow (Adobe is even attempting to bundle it with their software). The same with how no one really asks or judges us if we used Photoshop/CSP in our artworks in the modern world, I think it will be the same in the future where almost no one would really care if an artwork was done with the use of AI or not.
But yes the commission artist space will definitely take a big hit. Professional artists that are already working inside the industry, has a big network to fall back on, and have multiple talents to provide once their job is endangered, these guys have way more leeway than the artists at the bottom...
I find it very funny how Google/RUclips hides videos like this. All the searching I do shows how perfect and wonderful AI is, but it's full of disgruntled people posting their opinions and criticize.
I guess using the AI properly and not using it against other people or artists is alright- but yeah accepting it is hard. Thank you for sharing your thoughts tho!
Your welcome! And as artists, it's devastating to see most of our hard work go to waste, but we'll get through this together 💪
My initial response was utter disgust. But i do realize that i can't do anything to stop the progress. We adapt, adapt and adapt...Until what? Until fully automated generated entertainment? I don't know... This is depressing and awesome at the same time. Weird feelings.
yea i get what you mean... guess we just have to wait to find out
Generators sound great if you get to use them offline on your own machine, iterating on your own work. But sampling other’s work still requires permission doesn’t it? Like in the music industry?
Yeah, I mean ideally it would require permission but with AI, it makes bad actors a lot less likely to get caught with plagiarism. Also permissions and copyright infringement in the music industry is WAY more strict because record labels have an army of lawyers that will hunt you down, unlike us artists wherein visual 'inspiration' and outright plagiarism is way less likely to have consequences. Funny thing, the same company that made Stable Diffusion is making Disco Diffusion, but apparently its data set are only coming from songs that are copyright free, unlike the dataset of SD, which contains countless copyrighted artworks from Pinterest, Artstation etc.
@@RexelBartolome true
Right now ai is actually out in the wild. It should be regulated first and should be used within ethical limits
Yeah, just like training the AI to copy someone's style that easily i.e., what happened with Kim Jung Gi after passing away recently, doesnt sit well with me even if these AI artists have good intentions. We still need to come into an agreement about what we should and shouldn't do with this tech.
@Donald Thompson let's start with getting all the copyrighted art out of those generators
@@RexelBartolome it is not possible to properly regulate this at this point. Also: it has been implemented in many popular plattforms online. Great you embraced it - I have trained AI on my own illustration style. I never use living artists in my prompts. It is an immoral and really cheap way of doing things.
@@HCforLife1 Thats great! and yes I agree, I avoid using living artists in my prompts too. Feels eerily wrong to do so
@@RexelBartolome Super Ani? Noooooo...
Man, I work too much. Thank you for the heads up. I've resolved to send my last ink work Superani as without him, I wouldn't have invested in the inks and pens I did it with.
Here's hoping there is an collection of art sent to Kim after his passing, I'm sure there is a lot of inspired and amazing stuff on their doorstep.
As for AI in our space, it's just another instrument. Much like water color, or art in the digital medium displacing other more traditional media, we either take it in, or move to other specialties. Not everyone could afford the suites of tools to compete in the mainstream, and they're as creative as ever. Personally, I'm only just catching up and still trying to set up a stable environment to gain greater proficiency and productivity.
The time of that and the release of ai tools however, may actually be an advantage, so, that's cool. Anyway, thanks for the content and here's to new subscriptions. 😎
Man.....😂who even cares about artists.....fun fact.... people worship gods and their sculptures they all are worshiping art ...if they are worshiping a god's painting that's also art .....😂....no matter if u don't respect art u worship it....just like i don't believe in god but i worship arts ...❤️❤️❤️❤️...... artists deserve more
it's not tool its a replacement. stop feeding robot
errr yes, I think I've mentioned that it's going to replace a lot of artists especially ones that are on the lower end of the industry