BOOM! Great video! I recorded the same length or so here in 8K pro res as well. I am going to see about keeping the screen on and using my tilta fan to see if you can keep the screen on with the fan. Keep up the great work!
That's dope! You can record an entire sporting event with a dummy plug & enough disk space. Hopefully someone makes an adaptor to fit the CFexpress cards to fit the Ninja V+. Can't wait to get mines!
Another great findings! To record a 4TB file of RAW video along with the Atomos Ninja V+, that's a lot of money... Phew, I'll stick with the Ninja V for now.
Bro you're the man! Been watching all the your vids but specifically the R5 once. Great job man you unlocked the secrets! All your videos are great and really appreciate all you put in to these videos! They look amazing!
@@DeafDirector Same to you! I know you mentioned that you'll be making a video in the future that will go over the 5k RAW mode. Which is something I'm really interested and would love to see how far we can put it with out turning the LCD as I'm convinced that if we apply what you learned it will have unlimited recording as all other modes work with this method but it would be mind blowing if the crop mode doesn't have overheating at all in all frame rates. I find I'd use this more than 8K as I'll have RAW capability while saving storage. It seems like this camera just keeps gettting better and better haha. Cheers!
Two things. Why can’t you do this say run and gun shooting a doc and just manually pull focus having the lcd and VF off? Also, any idea when the 5k Raw will come to the Ninja V?
So if you have the Canon R5 and Atomos Ninja V+ set up properly, you can't click the R5's screen to quickly change settings and to press down on the screen for autofocus or it will overheat? Are you sure because that would kind of be a dealbreaker... How about shooting 4KHQ mode? Can you have the R5 screen on at the same time for that or will it overheat as well?
Thanks for the great video. Please could you describe the reasons why you need the lcd for other types of shooting? Which features are you unable to utilize specifically using only the Atamos ninja 5?
Great video. Can you elaborate on the why this will not work in a scenario in which you have to move a lot. For example a wedding? Is not possible to control the recording directly from the Ninja V+?
You could control from the Ninja V+, but I feel that there is so much critical info that is not transmitted via the HDMI, that I know I would be constantly checking the LCD or EVF and once you start doing that, it hack stops working.
@@DeafDirector Thank you very much for your quick reply. What is different while using the Ninja V+ vs using the camera monitor. Can you change ISO aperture or shutter speed from the Ninja?
@@osoriony You can not make those changes from the NInja. You still have to change the physical camera parameters on the body itself. and the second you do that you will wake the LCD or EVF up. I have tried everything I know to keep the LCD and EVF off, if you adjust your camera, but there is no way (that I can find) that let's you do this. That's why this hack only really works for situations that you are not having to move with the camera much.
@@osoriony I agree. Maybe they'll do a firmware update some day, but I have a feeling we will have to wait for the rumored R5c to really unlock everything
You can use the Atomos to start/stop externally but not internally. Unfortunately, you cannot control the camera through the HDMI, but it would be amazing if you could! Thanks so much for the comment and have a great day!
I have a documentary shoot in the desert and I need to shoot in 4k HQ at 50fps with the Canon R5 I don't have time to get this ninja set up for it so what do you recommend for this satiation?
If you do not have a Ninja, you will need to be very careful in this situation shooting at 4K 50fps. You should also be aware that the R5 can not shoot 4kHQ at 50fps, it will only shoot standard 4k at this frame rate. 1. Make sure you turn Standby Low Res to ON. This will greatly improve overheat time, because the camera will not be wasting precious minutes when you are not recording or setting up shots. 2. Keep your camera off as much as possible between shots. 3. Try and shoot as much as you can at 25fps or 30fps in standard 4k. This mode will not overheat. If you can get away not shooting everything in 50fps, this could help. 4. If you are going to shoot extensively at 50fps without an external recorder, just accept that the camera WILL overheat and shut down throughout the day. You will either have to plan around this or have a second body available. Hope that helps and good luck on the shoot!
Yes! I actually did a video about that if you want to check out how the Ninja V handles 5K RAW. ruclips.net/video/-m_hPkINC6A/видео.html Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Is it possible to use Canon camera connect App to record with internal camera recording (without external recorder) without overheating (with screen and EVF off)?
I did a huge number of variations and this was always the culprit for overheating. But stay tuned, because I think there is a possibility that the newest Canon firmware update, may have provided a workaround for this, which would be a game changer. I am going to be spending the next two days doing some tests to see if we can update this hack. It would be amazing to do this and still keep the main screen on. Fingers crossed I can get it to work. Thanks for the comment and wish me luck!
What SSD did you use while recording 8k ProRes Raw? Would a regular SSD be able to handle it? I have a Ninja V and am thinking about upgrading to the V+ at some point. Am I going to have to upgrade to faster SSD's? I've been using Western Digital SSDs in my Ninja V.
The Ninja has no Record Limit. So if you want to exceed the 30 minute limit, ONLY record on the Ninja, with no internal recording on the R5. You can record hours of continuous footage doing this on the R5. Have a great day!
Hello, i can imagine that you are very busy. But may i ask you about my configuration? I own the Canon R5 with the Atomos Ninja V. I have set my camera as follow: Movie rec. Size: 4K-U 59.94p All-I Log: S Log 3 activated Color Space: BT.2020 Atomos Settings: Source: HDMI / UHD59.94 / 2.0 Camera Output: Rec.709 Legalize: Yes Record: ProRes HQ UHD59.94 Now my questions are: - are my settings good in term of quality? - should i set my camera to 4K HQ mode? But then i need to shoot in 24frames - which color space should i use? BT.709? BT.2020? Cinema Gamut? - should i legalize the footage on the Ninja? - is ProRes good? I know its many questions? But i am little confused about it. Many many thanks in advance
Hey Andres, it sounds to me like you are off to a good start. There is no doubt that 4KHQ looks better than standard 4k, but I will be honest, I have used standard 4k on plenty of paid commercial jobs and the clients have always been happy, so I think as long as you are not pixel peeping Standard 4k is fine for most applications. I personally prefer the look of 23.98 frames per second for my footage, but that is purely subjective, and there is nothing wrong with 60fps. Although, be careful the 60fps can overheat on you in 4K on a long shoot. CLog 3 is definitely great. As far as color space I have always heard that Cinema Gamut gives you the most dynamic range for you color space, and it has always given me good results. I also legalize my Ninja, because it gives me the closest results to what I record internally. ProRes is a great codec, and if you need to save space ProRes LT also looks great and saves a ton of space. Thanks so much for the comment and have fun shooting out there
More specifically, say for event recap videos or music video style shooting where its a lot of start stop all day, i shouldnt run into any problems where it wont let me continue because of heat?
@@NameUndrConstruction I would say the key to this working are situations where you can just set the camera on a tripod and let it run without touching it or messing with it. If you have to adjust any settings you will activate the EVF or LCD and this hack will not work. I can use this hack for interviews or concert shooting, but there is no way I could (personally) do this for a music video where I have to do 50+ setups in a day. Thanks for the comment and have a great day
The Ninja V is still awesome, and I'll be honest, after using the V+ for a weekend, it is great, but I'm still torn on whether it is worth the extra cost. Stay tuned, I'll be doing a video about this topic soon. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
It absolutely is. I rented one, because I was interested in discovering if it unlocked the overheating problem. I'll be doing a video soon, about whether I think it is worth it. Thanks so much for the comment
@@Davitor1 At the point, I'm not sure. Hopefully as this becomes more common, either we will have more options, or hopefully Atomos will drop the price.
BOOM! Great video! I recorded the same length or so here in 8K pro res as well. I am going to see about keeping the screen on and using my tilta fan to see if you can keep the screen on with the fan.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much, it's awesome to know that the results can be replicated out there. Let me know how that TIlta fan works out. Have a great day!
That's dope! You can record an entire sporting event with a dummy plug & enough disk space. Hopefully someone makes an adaptor to fit the CFexpress cards to fit the Ninja V+. Can't wait to get mines!
Another great findings! To record a 4TB file of RAW video along with the Atomos Ninja V+, that's a lot of money... Phew, I'll stick with the Ninja V for now.
It is a serious chunk of change, that's for sure! Thanks for the comment!
Bro you're the man! Been watching all the your vids but specifically the R5 once. Great job man you unlocked the secrets! All your videos are great and really appreciate all you put in to these videos! They look amazing!
Thanks so much, Michael. It's fun trying to unlock all the things this little camera can do. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
@@DeafDirector Same to you! I know you mentioned that you'll be making a video in the future that will go over the 5k RAW mode. Which is something I'm really interested and would love to see how far we can put it with out turning the LCD as I'm convinced that if we apply what you learned it will have unlimited recording as all other modes work with this method but it would be mind blowing if the crop mode doesn't have overheating at all in all frame rates. I find I'd use this more than 8K as I'll have RAW capability while saving storage. It seems like this camera just keeps gettting better and better haha. Cheers!
@@michaeljarrin2960 Stay tuned, that 5K video will be coming soon...
Two things. Why can’t you do this say run and gun shooting a doc and just manually pull focus having the lcd and VF off? Also, any idea when the 5k Raw will come to the Ninja V?
I would love to know this as well.
So if you have the Canon R5 and Atomos Ninja V+ set up properly, you can't click the R5's screen to quickly change settings and to press down on the screen for autofocus or it will overheat? Are you sure because that would kind of be a dealbreaker... How about shooting 4KHQ mode? Can you have the R5 screen on at the same time for that or will it overheat as well?
His talking about internal recording, not external recording with Ninja V or V Plus
Have you done a tutorial on how to setup 8k Raw recording on the R5 please.
Great video. Please tell me which HDMI cable to buy. I will shoot 8K cropped to 5K
I've been using ZILR HDMI cables and they have been terrific. amzn.to/39Qm7E1
Thanks for the great video. Please could you describe the reasons why you need the lcd for other types of shooting? Which features are you unable to utilize specifically using only the Atamos ninja 5?
Great video. Can you elaborate on the why this will not work in a scenario in which you have to move a lot. For example a wedding? Is not possible to control the recording directly from the Ninja V+?
You could control from the Ninja V+, but I feel that there is so much critical info that is not transmitted via the HDMI, that I know I would be constantly checking the LCD or EVF and once you start doing that, it hack stops working.
@@DeafDirector Thank you very much for your quick reply. What is different while using the Ninja V+ vs using the camera monitor. Can you change ISO aperture or shutter speed from the Ninja?
@@osoriony You can not make those changes from the NInja. You still have to change the physical camera parameters on the body itself. and the second you do that you will wake the LCD or EVF up. I have tried everything I know to keep the LCD and EVF off, if you adjust your camera, but there is no way (that I can find) that let's you do this. That's why this hack only really works for situations that you are not having to move with the camera much.
@@DeafDirector Thank you very much again. That's very sad. Canon should have allowed Átomos to change paremeters. This is a huge disadvantage
@@osoriony I agree. Maybe they'll do a firmware update some day, but I have a feeling we will have to wait for the rumored R5c to really unlock everything
Awesome
Thx deaf director!
Btw, can’t you use the atomos screen to stop/start recordings, as well as touch focus without the rear screen?
You can use the Atomos to start/stop externally but not internally. Unfortunately, you cannot control the camera through the HDMI, but it would be amazing if you could! Thanks so much for the comment and have a great day!
I have a documentary shoot in the desert and I need to shoot in 4k HQ at 50fps with the Canon R5 I don't have time to get this ninja set up for it so what do you recommend for this satiation?
If you do not have a Ninja, you will need to be very careful in this situation shooting at 4K 50fps. You should also be aware that the R5 can not shoot 4kHQ at 50fps, it will only shoot standard 4k at this frame rate.
1. Make sure you turn Standby Low Res to ON. This will greatly improve overheat time, because the camera will not be wasting precious minutes when you are not recording or setting up shots.
2. Keep your camera off as much as possible between shots.
3. Try and shoot as much as you can at 25fps or 30fps in standard 4k. This mode will not overheat. If you can get away not shooting everything in 50fps, this could help.
4. If you are going to shoot extensively at 50fps without an external recorder, just accept that the camera WILL overheat and shut down throughout the day. You will either have to plan around this or have a second body available.
Hope that helps and good luck on the shoot!
Does this overheat in 4k Raw...not 4K HQ but regular 4K raw?
Great tips man!!!!
8K ProRes Raw only oder 8K Canon RAW (.CRM) too in Ninja V+? Thanks.
Hey,. your videos are very helpful.. Does Ninja V do 5k Raw too ?? just like the Ninja V+
Yes! I actually did a video about that if you want to check out how the Ninja V handles 5K RAW. ruclips.net/video/-m_hPkINC6A/видео.html Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
@@DeafDirector oh wow,.. thanks for the reply ,.. keep it up !!! Cheers have a good day
Is it possible to use Canon camera connect App to record with internal camera recording (without external recorder) without overheating (with screen and EVF off)?
No. I've tried that and unfortunately it doesn't work. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
@Deaf Director - Why does the main screen have to be turned off? Curios because I plan to get the R5 and Ninja combo. Thanks!
I did a huge number of variations and this was always the culprit for overheating. But stay tuned, because I think there is a possibility that the newest Canon firmware update, may have provided a workaround for this, which would be a game changer. I am going to be spending the next two days doing some tests to see if we can update this hack. It would be amazing to do this and still keep the main screen on. Fingers crossed I can get it to work. Thanks for the comment and wish me luck!
Was it saying 0:00 for internal recording? Like telling you "if you try a memory card, I won't go" lol
Cool test
What SSD did you use while recording 8k ProRes Raw? Would a regular SSD be able to handle it? I have a Ninja V and am thinking about upgrading to the V+ at some point. Am I going to have to upgrade to faster SSD's? I've been using Western Digital SSDs in my Ninja V.
I just used a standard SanDisk SSD. I had no issues with it, and I was pretty brutal with it in the time I had it
Sorry, really noob here and just interested in Atomos. Does using atomos let you capture 120fps or max is 60fps to the device?
Unfortunately, as of now, you max out at 60fps. No 120fps from the R5 to the V+
How did you get away with the R5 30 minute recording time limitation when recording to Ninja V?
The Ninja has no Record Limit. So if you want to exceed the 30 minute limit, ONLY record on the Ninja, with no internal recording on the R5. You can record hours of continuous footage doing this on the R5. Have a great day!
Hello, i can imagine that you are very busy. But may i ask you about my configuration?
I own the Canon R5 with the Atomos Ninja V.
I have set my camera as follow:
Movie rec. Size: 4K-U 59.94p All-I
Log: S Log 3 activated
Color Space: BT.2020
Atomos Settings:
Source: HDMI / UHD59.94 / 2.0
Camera Output: Rec.709
Legalize: Yes
Record: ProRes HQ UHD59.94
Now my questions are:
- are my settings good in term of quality?
- should i set my camera to 4K HQ mode? But then i need to shoot in 24frames
- which color space should i use? BT.709? BT.2020? Cinema Gamut?
- should i legalize the footage on the Ninja?
- is ProRes good?
I know its many questions? But i am little confused about it.
Many many thanks in advance
Hey Andres, it sounds to me like you are off to a good start. There is no doubt that 4KHQ looks better than standard 4k, but I will be honest, I have used standard 4k on plenty of paid commercial jobs and the clients have always been happy, so I think as long as you are not pixel peeping Standard 4k is fine for most applications.
I personally prefer the look of 23.98 frames per second for my footage, but that is purely subjective, and there is nothing wrong with 60fps. Although, be careful the 60fps can overheat on you in 4K on a long shoot.
CLog 3 is definitely great. As far as color space I have always heard that Cinema Gamut gives you the most dynamic range for you color space, and it has always given me good results.
I also legalize my Ninja, because it gives me the closest results to what I record internally. ProRes is a great codec, and if you need to save space ProRes LT also looks great and saves a ton of space.
Thanks so much for the comment and have fun shooting out there
So theoretically, with a ninja v+ you can now shoot in all modes with nothing stopping you besides storage and battery?
More specifically, say for event recap videos or music video style shooting where its a lot of start stop all day, i shouldnt run into any problems where it wont let me continue because of heat?
@@NameUndrConstruction I would say the key to this working are situations where you can just set the camera on a tripod and let it run without touching it or messing with it. If you have to adjust any settings you will activate the EVF or LCD and this hack will not work.
I can use this hack for interviews or concert shooting, but there is no way I could (personally) do this for a music video where I have to do 50+ setups in a day. Thanks for the comment and have a great day
Please show rolling shutter with ninja v+
There are plenty of people who record to an Atomos Ninja from an R5 run and gun. I just recommend using a cage.
Damn it! I JUST bought the original ninja v for my R5... oh well, at least I have unlimited 4K HQ...
The Ninja V is still awesome, and I'll be honest, after using the V+ for a weekend, it is great, but I'm still torn on whether it is worth the extra cost. Stay tuned, I'll be doing a video about this topic soon. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Wait...did you say 8K RAW?
Dummy battery link?! ALso why did it break? is it a bad quality dummy?
Can the Ninja V record 8k or is the Ninja V+ required?
Unfortunately, the Ninja V maxes out at 4K 60/fps. To get 8K RAW you will need a Ninja V+
@@the180degreerule3 I did do a test of 5K RAW at 60fps for 3 hours on the V+, you can check that out at 7:38. Thanks for the comment!
$1500 for unlimited 8k recording is pretty steep.
It absolutely is. I rented one, because I was interested in discovering if it unlocked the overheating problem. I'll be doing a video soon, about whether I think it is worth it. Thanks so much for the comment
Well what are the other choices if you want unlimited 8k recording. Without paying more???
@@Davitor1 hopefully there’s cheaper alternative to unlimited 8k without shelving out $1500
@@Davitor1 At the point, I'm not sure. Hopefully as this becomes more common, either we will have more options, or hopefully Atomos will drop the price.