Yeah, definitely so many variables to consider. It cycled fine unsuppressed, but started having cycles issues running suppressed. I had no luck with any gas block adjustments, then I realized I needed to go with a lighter buffer. I replaced the H3 with an H2 which got it cycling with 220gr ammo, but then ended up getting an adjustable buffer because the H2 was still too heavy for 200gr and 190gr. Went lighter with the buffer weights and that did the trick. I highly recommend the adjustable buffer when starting a new build - definitely easier than buying and returning a bunch of different buffers.
Recently replaced my Faxon 16 inch 308 barrel with a 20” BA bead blasted premium heavy profile barrel. Using a SA bleed off gas block, 308 carbine buffer and a sprinco orange spring and it purs unsuppressed. Add on the Sandman S and 6clicks on the gas block and you’re back in business. I am super impressed with the new barrel change. Tuned with hand loads of 168 gr SMK and 44.6 gr of Varget. ( don’t use my data tho ). 12.5 308 with sandman S is in the near future.
There's also buffer springs, adjustable BCG's, THEN there's port size to think about, if using THOSE parts... This isn't even considering what length gas system you're going to run! That's also not discussing what caliber you're going to run, and whether you're running supers or subs. There's SO MUCH more to consider when suppressing the AR platform.
Adding heavy weights at the buffer tube such as H1/H2 and even H3 is bad because it doesn't do anything for the actual gas that is now carbon caking the innards of the BCG Always do adjustable gas block As carbon is harder than some rocks in your backyard and that's going into your action. Prevent is from coming into the action, rather than adding an extra hard spring or weight to stop it at the gas key level, while it's already down the tube and caking the f out of your firearm
A low mass BCG works against you when tuning for suppressed use. They have their place in the competition world, but in this context they work against you as you are increasing carrier velocity by cutting the mass down.
@@AeroPrecisionI have a lightweight 5.56 bcg I wanted to use on a 300 pistol build, but didn’t realize this. Do you feel I should get a regular bcg or can I make use of the light one if I do both an adjustable gas block AND buffer tuning?
You’re asking a company what they think of their sister company lmao. BA barrels are good. Hanson profile barrels are great, especially for the price point.
@@Jordan-nc3zy Do you think the BA Hanson barrels are ok for suppression use though? I'm worried about the extra weight of the suppressor on that kind of profile.
@@C_oprator89 Chrome silicon springs are a scam. Great way to deadhead your rifle by having the recoil spring corrode and put you out of business. This is especially true on high round count session with a suppressor. It can get so hot it will pull moisture out of the air and blow it back into the action, directly exposing the action spring to something that will readily corrode it. Tuning should be done exclusively on the buffer using the standard stainless USGI spec action spring. Springco *anything* is snake oil. Except their actual oil, the Machine Gunner’s stuff, that’s good stuff 😂
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I have never heard anything other than springcos extending the life of the spring. Me personally have them in guns with over 4,000rnds and mostly supressed. The ability to tune the gun with buffer and spring has always been more advantageous and actually possible because of springco making “ heavy,light,medium” strength/length buffer springs. Not to mention their extractor and ejector springs are pretty much the gold standard. I have never had any issues using them but it’s kind of cool to see an argument to the contrary
@@AeroPrecision YT is the last place you want all of your content. Word of advice, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Look what happened to Pŕíñť Šhöôț Řêpēâť, they made him delete basically all his videos and make it so that he can never mention his own channel's name or where all his videos have moved to. Don't think it won't happen to you.
If Rex knew anything about the AR15/M4, he'd have run his "Torture Test" more Professionally. Not accounting for added pressure due to a Suppressor, is a NOOB MOVE. :D
@Dron K When you increase the pressure to the system by adding a Suppressor, the Bolt will cycle much more violently, and won't "Dwell" long enough, before it begins to move out of Battery. Which is why adding a heavier Buffer, and/or an Adjustable Gas Block is paramount to tuning with a Suppressor.
No, they also get a paycheck. BTW- most companies don't give Christmas bonuses or any bonuses at all. So you aren't getting any sympathy from most workers. I have received a few gift cards from my boss for $10-20 around Christmas time but it's rare. I didn't get anything last year, or the year before, or the year before.... and my company is making record profit after the pandemic. The joke at my work is if I work harder they will increase my bonus from $0 to $000.00. I would suspect that business at Aero is on the decline in the last year or two, although probably still up compared to 2016-2019. Guns are a cyclical business. I know at my local gun shop the wait time is much less than in 2020.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 That still doesn't change my opinion. My company is making record profits too by a huge margin. And of course the top executives are making huge money, far more than any of the workers. As for me....I just got a 3% raise which is the biggest I have ever received. Most years I get 2% maybe. Should all companies give their employees a big raise when they make record profits? Of course, we all would love that. But most don't. And most don't give a Christmas bonus either. My company quit doing Christmas parties over 20 years ago (so I have heard). Throwing a fit because they didn't get a bonus at the end of the year is childish. The bottom line is that if pay really sucks then employees will quit and Aero product quality will suffer and they will get a poor reputation and business will decline. The AR world is very crowded and buyers have many other AR companies to buy from.
@@paulsmith5611 Well that’s good I’ve been up for 4 days wondering about whether it changes your opinion or not. Good to know I can finally get some sleep.
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Yeah, definitely so many variables to consider. It cycled fine unsuppressed, but started having cycles issues running suppressed. I had no luck with any gas block adjustments, then I realized I needed to go with a lighter buffer. I replaced the H3 with an H2 which got it cycling with 220gr ammo, but then ended up getting an adjustable buffer because the H2 was still too heavy for 200gr and 190gr. Went lighter with the buffer weights and that did the trick. I highly recommend the adjustable buffer when starting a new build - definitely easier than buying and returning a bunch of different buffers.
Imm having the same issues, withOUT a suppressor , and I’ve hopefully deduced that I’m going to reduce from H2 to carbine buffer weight
@chupacabra304 what length barrel and gas tube are you running?
What bout 300 blkout 16” barrel suppressed
That was a textbook explanation! Simple and easy to understand 👊 ... Aero Precision and Kirk A+ explanation 👊👍🇺🇸
With my Lahar 30K I ended up needing an H3 and a Springco Red. An H2 and a flat wire spring weren’t enough. The recoil is still stiff but approachable
Great Job Kirk!
And though i do not have near as many mags for the mini 14 its my go to suppressed 556 rifle.
Great video thank you
What is the torque spec for gas block set screws??
Recently replaced my Faxon 16 inch 308 barrel with a 20” BA bead blasted premium heavy profile barrel. Using a SA bleed off gas block, 308 carbine buffer and a sprinco orange spring and it purs unsuppressed. Add on the Sandman S and 6clicks on the gas block and you’re back in business. I am super impressed with the new barrel change. Tuned with hand loads of 168 gr SMK and 44.6 gr of Varget. ( don’t use my data tho ). 12.5 308 with sandman S is in the near future.
Just bought this exact same barrel and adjustable gas block!
There's also buffer springs, adjustable BCG's, THEN there's port size to think about, if using THOSE parts... This isn't even considering what length gas system you're going to run! That's also not discussing what caliber you're going to run, and whether you're running supers or subs. There's SO MUCH more to consider when suppressing the AR platform.
Adding heavy weights at the buffer tube such as H1/H2 and even H3 is bad because it doesn't do anything for the actual gas that is now carbon caking the innards of the BCG
Always do adjustable gas block
As carbon is harder than some rocks in your backyard and that's going into your action. Prevent is from coming into the action, rather than adding an extra hard spring or weight to stop it at the gas key level, while it's already down the tube and caking the f out of your firearm
Awesome videos thank you
No over barrel suppressors?
AFAIK, there's only one company making those, Allen Engineering. Or they're single caliber custom builds with integral suppressors.
@@212caboose amtac also builds them
Anyone have any issues with a low mass bcg using an adjustable gas block while suppressed? I don’t see why there would be issues but idk
A low mass BCG works against you when tuning for suppressed use. They have their place in the competition world, but in this context they work against you as you are increasing carrier velocity by cutting the mass down.
Thank you! This helps a lot
@@AeroPrecisionI have a lightweight 5.56 bcg I wanted to use on a 300 pistol build, but didn’t realize this. Do you feel I should get a regular bcg or can I make use of the light one if I do both an adjustable gas block AND buffer tuning?
Great info. Thanks.
Best option is to buy a barrel with a proper gas port size
Or just buy a piston ar
@@Winmx813or just an al
There are so many barrels to chose from. What are your thoughts about quality of ballistic advantage barrels?
You’re asking a company what they think of their sister company lmao. BA barrels are good. Hanson profile barrels are great, especially for the price point.
What he said.
For the same money, Expo Arms barrels are better in every way.
@@Jordan-nc3zy Do you think the BA Hanson barrels are ok for suppression use though? I'm worried about the extra weight of the suppressor on that kind of profile.
Yeah idk if their going to say their own products suck 😂 (which they do not! They are great)
Springco wasn’t even mentioned….I get it
Because Springco is junk.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 oooowee I got to know more about this!?
@@C_oprator89 Chrome silicon springs are a scam. Great way to deadhead your rifle by having the recoil spring corrode and put you out of business. This is especially true on high round count session with a suppressor. It can get so hot it will pull moisture out of the air and blow it back into the action, directly exposing the action spring to something that will readily corrode it.
Tuning should be done exclusively on the buffer using the standard stainless USGI spec action spring. Springco *anything* is snake oil.
Except their actual oil, the Machine Gunner’s stuff, that’s good stuff 😂
@@rifleshooterchannel208 is the super 42 a viable option or an upgrade for usgi?
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I have never heard anything other than springcos extending the life of the spring. Me personally have them in guns with over 4,000rnds and mostly supressed. The ability to tune the gun with buffer and spring has always been more advantageous and actually possible because of springco making “ heavy,light,medium” strength/length buffer springs. Not to mention their extractor and ejector springs are pretty much the gold standard. I have never had any issues using them but it’s kind of cool to see an argument to the contrary
How to build for suppressor (buy a piston ar) end of story
When and where is everyone moving to another platform? RUclips isn't it anymore.
Find us a platform with a bigger and more stable audience and we'll meet you there.
Seeing more people also posting their videos on Rumble.
@@AeroPrecision YT is the last place you want all of your content. Word of advice, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Look what happened to Pŕíñť Šhöôț Řêpēâť, they made him delete basically all his videos and make it so that he can never mention his own channel's name or where all his videos have moved to. Don't think it won't happen to you.
nice vid, all of it banned in my state LOL . PS make your new bolt rifles that accept a folding stock and ill buy one
Soon.
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If Rex knew anything about the AR15/M4, he'd have run his "Torture Test" more Professionally. Not accounting for added pressure due to a Suppressor, is a NOOB MOVE. :D
Pretty sure he stated like 4 times that he's doing that on purpose as to mimic an average end user who will never do any modifications to the gun.
@Dron K the test is invalid based on disregarding the Manufacturer's specification to Lube the Upper Receiver/BCG.
@@j.t.patton7820 How do you explain the broken firing pin?
@Dron K When you increase the pressure to the system by adding a Suppressor, the Bolt will cycle much more violently, and won't "Dwell" long enough, before it begins to move out of Battery. Which is why adding a heavier Buffer, and/or an Adjustable Gas Block is paramount to tuning with a Suppressor.
I would love to suppress an EPC 10.
I’m making my own now since y’all gave up on the EPC 10.
Thanks for nothing.
Too bad Aero employees can’t afford such things because they only get $5 Starbucks gift cards from the company for all their hard word.
No, they also get a paycheck. BTW- most companies don't give Christmas bonuses or any bonuses at all. So you aren't getting any sympathy from most workers. I have received a few gift cards from my boss for $10-20 around Christmas time but it's rare. I didn't get anything last year, or the year before, or the year before.... and my company is making record profit after the pandemic. The joke at my work is if I work harder they will increase my bonus from $0 to $000.00. I would suspect that business at Aero is on the decline in the last year or two, although probably still up compared to 2016-2019. Guns are a cyclical business. I know at my local gun shop the wait time is much less than in 2020.
@@paulsmith5611 Absolutely false. They’re recording record profits.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 That still doesn't change my opinion. My company is making record profits too by a huge margin. And of course the top executives are making huge money, far more than any of the workers. As for me....I just got a 3% raise which is the biggest I have ever received. Most years I get 2% maybe. Should all companies give their employees a big raise when they make record profits? Of course, we all would love that. But most don't. And most don't give a Christmas bonus either. My company quit doing Christmas parties over 20 years ago (so I have heard). Throwing a fit because they didn't get a bonus at the end of the year is childish. The bottom line is that if pay really sucks then employees will quit and Aero product quality will suffer and they will get a poor reputation and business will decline. The AR world is very crowded and buyers have many other AR companies to buy from.
@@paulsmith5611 Well that’s good I’ve been up for 4 days wondering about whether it changes your opinion or not.
Good to know I can finally get some sleep.
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