The Burris triplet was my favorite magnifier. Super sleek and the glass quality was great. I’ve tried almost every other kind but always go back to the tripler
Also - for most of us that have thicker necks, lower 1/3 neck craning sucks. I also have the curse of somewhat larger cheekbones so high risers are the baseline for comfort.
Would be cool to see a setup with a flush (low) mount red dot and the magnifier for use in the down position and stewed in the up position for non AR setups like the top cover of an AK.
Personally, I think the Wilcox FTS mount is the best solution. Very slick QD system that eliminates levers and allows the magnifier to function as a slick and compact monocular, can achieve high mount height with a riser, and as far as I'm aware, can serve a dual purpose with clip on NVG and thermal use. As well- Crucify me for this if you want- If you're only using the mount for a magnifier, you can just buy the cheapo airsoft knockoff versions for civilian use. Even high quality magnifier mounts don't actually hold zero perfectly, nor do they need to when the RDS is what gives you your zero.
I use these in Ukraine on an AK74 with a side mount pic rail. Another way they are very useful is when you are in the prone position. With level 4 armor and a ballistic helmet these are amazing.
Eotech + magnifier is my go-to setup on my main rifles. I keep the magnifier in the “active” position when on the sling or in my back, it’s not getting stuck on anything. Now a $260 hinge that adds weight and that is not going completely out of the way is simply some ridiculous hype for me. Depending on what type of shooting I’m doing, the magnifier simply just goes away to save weight. I think that’s the whole original idea of a setup like that. As always c_does, thank you for your excellent reviews.
I'm with you, it's pure b.s. and just the latest thing these companies tout as an absolute necessity. Snag? That was never a concern with lasers and flashlights.
The unity with the G45 doesn’t obscure the eotech on a riser at all. Only when you mix up different companies as their ideas of cowitness are different. Also The magnifiers are way heavier and much larger than weapon mounted flashlights.
I considered one of these for one big reason; after a couple hundred rounds suppressed using a flip to side mount(the right side), the front lens of the magnifier is CAKED in carbon making it practically unusable. This would remedy that.
That’s a VERY good point. There are however magnifiers with mounts that allow swiping the flip side to the left (the new mini vortex does this, if I’m not mistaken.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 for right-handed shooters, this would make for a very snag-hazard gun when slung. It would also take up a large portion of your FOV of your other eye.
@@mcbadger2440 fair points. Haven’t used red dot + magnifier for a long time, to be honest, they sit on a S&W .22lr now. I went back to LPVO + offset Red Dot on my 5.56. Putting the offset mount and the flashlight on the right and leaving the left side free of snagging points is definitely a good idea.
Interested in the new PA 1x microprism setup. Looks like it makes the 3x magnifier eye relief actually usable cause it pushes it back off the receiver.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 yeah at least if you have both the primary arms ones matched up. You just have to adjust the diopter until it's clear. Don't know about other prisms, but I think it was monstrum that came out with a prism specific 2x magnifier that you run in front.
@@luciusrene943 it can be a pain in the neck to focus two prism scopes (which the magnifiers are) in line. The 1X prism that you want might be easier to adjust. I have a 3x prism scope and two 3x magnifiers. I tried to make a 9X just for fun and after a lot of frustration, I managed to do it, but there’s a big problem: as soon as you flip down the magnifier, the front prism scope will be out of focus. I’m convinced that, if you really want a variable magnification prism, the ELCAN is the only real option. If you are having problems with eye relief, you should try the primary arms with the mount option that cants backwards. For me, the primary arms MicroPrisms have three advantages over the Vortex/Vector competitors: multiple mounting options, shake awake and finer 1/4 MOA adjustments (magnified options only). Good luck on your experiment.
I was just about to comment about ftc kinda being in the way for passive nv and then you added your clarification announcement, lol. The other thing with ftc is you need to use a very thin rear buis if you want to run buis. I have an eotech with the unity riser so there are no sigts built into the mount like with a t2.
Also wanted to say. In my opinion, if u want to go tall, it's so much cheaper to just buy an adm 1/2" full rail riser to mount on the receiver and just use your factory mounts that come with your magnifier and red dot. I bought into the IG coolness, but on my backup night rifle, I went the cheaper route. To me, it wasn't worth spending all that money on the Unity Mounts. But at least I look cooler, lol.
Not sure paying a hefty premium with the requirement to rip it off for NV makes a lot of sense compared to a built in flip to side that works with NV natively. I know you can get regular mounts to work with 1.93 out of the box.
@@CDOES so there's a fake chinese copy of the ftc mount that is holosun pattern. I have one and the only con was the qd lever/clamp from the factory stripped right away. So i gt a real unity qd clamp and honestly it's solid. all in all I spend under $100 for the mount and qd clamp and it's rock solid.
@@Annoyingdog37 honestly, fuck it at that price. Especially on a $200 magnifier. I'm all for going American made. But if 1) no one makes it in the US. And 2) if you can get one that's the equivalent quality of the magnifier then screw it.
@@mikebrown4433 yeah so using my mechanic brain I figured that it would take an act of god to somehow fuck up a block of aluminum knowing how capable the chinese are at manufacturing. So i took a gamble and it’s honestly really well done, they responded to my complaint and sent me another qd in the updated style, but i have no reason to try jt out since i have a real unity/adm qd that cost just about the same as the replica. Locks up and down nice and solid. After trying an ftc mount, i think they’re overrated and i know it was covered already but yeah passive aiming is a pain because of the magnifier location unless you extend your length of pull. But that’s a non issue since you can just detach if for night time stuff
Do you know if the OMNI mount works with the Vortex Micro 3x magnifier? I swear it looks like it would be compatible, but even if it mounts the real question is does it fold without issue.
Glad to see that you added the section about taking off the magnifier if you want to use Nods. It's worth noting that your pen pal Hoplopfheil stated that he is not a fan of the flip to center mounts like the unity magnifier mounts. You can watch his video " What are Red Dot Magnifiers Really For? at: ruclips.net/video/luNvOp-seuw/видео.html Time stamp 6:04. He states that it "defeats...to retain full night vision capability".
Personally, I disagree with half of hop's take. You can not look through this magnifier and have nods on, that's true. However, it's a pain in the ass to look through a magnifier under nods anyways - the way I see it, you take the magnifier off at night, and when the sun comes up you put it back on so that you can actually use the magnification. Delta 34 did a video analysis on this exact topic, and that was his perspective!
@@NDMO2468 I believe that what Hop expressed was that with the side pivot mag mount you just move the magnifier out of the way. With the Unity mount you have to take off the mount/magnifier off.
Yes. They're a personal preference/use case type thing. They're cool, but definitely much higher and you'd have to consider if that's worth while. I thought about it and bought a fast mount for a red dot, but after shooting it a bit realized I preferred something shorter. I like 1.5" -1.93" height sights better. The flip to center magnifier is cool but it is harder to prone for sure. It really is a setup for passive aiming with nv hence the qd for the magnifier mount.
There's a lot of mixed feelings with regards to >1.93" mounts. The single biggest reason someone would have to use them is if they need to use masks regularly, or if for whatever odd reason they are training for passive aiming through NVGs a lot. The argument has been occasionally made that they're superior for CQB or that the hold overs at range are better. These are valid arguments, with caveats: While yes, the more heads up position is objectively more comfortable if you ask me, I don't believe it offers you greater awareness and peripheral vision, as many people try to argue. On the contrary, in CQB, many would argue that the benefits of a lower mount, namely, lower holdovers reducing risk, and greater recoil control due to increased contact surface with the rifle, outweighs the benefits of a high mounted dot. At range, it's actually true that if you look at the holdovers for a higher mount, they're superior in terms of point of aim, point of impact. The overall dispersion of your holdovers is more advantageous for the 0-450 yard range. The problem that you run into, of course, is what you mentioned; If you're in the prone, you may find that your poor cheek weld makes this advantage moot in practice. All in all, I really think it comes down to preference and use case. For me, lower 1/3rd is fine, even if I don't think it's quite as comfortable. The mount variety is greater, it works well with magnifiers and other accessories out of the box, and if I need a higher mount, I can just put a riser under my optics. 2.33 is fine, but by no means do I think most people need to blow $500 on mounts to achieve it when it's less an upgrade and more a sidegrade.
@@KeterMalkuth i agree. I would also add that if you have multiple height optics across different rifle set ups makes training consistency getting behind the glass a little more difficult.
Heads up shooting only works on little cartridges. Feel free to try that same posture with a 45-70. The tactical cowboy crowd complaints about the recoil from mild loads because they mount optics really high on low comb stocks. Same for shotguns, high optic equals high discomfort. On a more practical level I do think I have a valid question. You need space for your nods to be over the receiver in order to use your passive aiming. How about a scout scope 2-7 with a piggy back micro dot as a do all setup? The closest my Burris 2-7 can be is flush with the end of the receiver, which leaves the entire upper clear.
I love these things but 250$ hurts. I wish this was a thing before I bought my adm swing off. I wanna cry because I want this so bad but then my old one will be doing nothing cause I only have one magnifier.
I will never back off from this position, unity mounts and all other after market mounting systems are almost always grossly overpriced. the fact that unity has the gall to sell a magnifier mount that costs more or as much as the magnifier mounted to it is ridiculous. There are few magnifiers that are significantly more expensive than the unity mounts and beyond magnifiers there are plenty of decent red dots that are as much or less than the mounts. they sell these things for 2-3 hundred dollars which is wild when considering what they are in relation to the rest of the indusrty
Im not buying the whole "snag" justification. Ill go so far as to say its b.s. With all the lasers, weapon lights, offset red dots, and various gizmos guys have hanging over the side of their rifles, snag is a bullsh*t reason to spend 260 bucks. Oh, and that goes for the better "balance" justification too.
I will never understand with all these prisms and red dot magnifiers why they don't make 10 to 20 x big diameter prism sight lots have mounts for reflex on top like my spitfires but 3x 5x just isn't enough magnification...I'd rather have my dreamed up jumbo spitfire 12x with a little red dot on top than magnifiers and giant long rifle scopes ???????????? Never bought a magnifier never wanted more moving parts ...clutter to my azzburgurs brain😊
When night vision goes on, magnifier comes off and goes in the same pouch my NODs came from. Love this set up with my eotech and g45
This is the best demo i've seen on these mounts, thank you!
Happy to help
The Burris triplet was my favorite magnifier. Super sleek and the glass quality was great. I’ve tried almost every other kind but always go back to the tripler
That's neighborhood gold not FDE
Good thing I like Gooooooooooooolllllld
Also - for most of us that have thicker necks, lower 1/3 neck craning sucks. I also have the curse of somewhat larger cheekbones so high risers are the baseline for comfort.
Would be cool to see a setup with a flush (low) mount red dot and the magnifier for use in the down position and stewed in the up position for non AR setups like the top cover of an AK.
GBRS Unity magnifier 2.91 🤣
Personally, I think the Wilcox FTS mount is the best solution. Very slick QD system that eliminates levers and allows the magnifier to function as a slick and compact monocular, can achieve high mount height with a riser, and as far as I'm aware, can serve a dual purpose with clip on NVG and thermal use. As well- Crucify me for this if you want- If you're only using the mount for a magnifier, you can just buy the cheapo airsoft knockoff versions for civilian use. Even high quality magnifier mounts don't actually hold zero perfectly, nor do they need to when the RDS is what gives you your zero.
wow that is slick but I thought the unity stuff was selling for an absurd cost.
Excellent comparison and as always, great video!
I use these in Ukraine on an AK74 with a side mount pic rail. Another way they are very useful is when you are in the prone position. With level 4 armor and a ballistic helmet these are amazing.
Eotech + magnifier is my go-to setup on my main rifles. I keep the magnifier in the “active” position when on the sling or in my back, it’s not getting stuck on anything. Now a $260 hinge that adds weight and that is not going completely out of the way is simply some ridiculous hype for me. Depending on what type of shooting I’m doing, the magnifier simply just goes away to save weight. I think that’s the whole original idea of a setup like that.
As always c_does, thank you for your excellent reviews.
I'm with you, it's pure b.s. and just the latest thing these companies tout as an absolute necessity. Snag? That was never a concern with lasers and flashlights.
The unity with the G45 doesn’t obscure the eotech on a riser at all. Only when you mix up different companies as their ideas of cowitness are different.
Also The magnifiers are way heavier and much larger than weapon mounted flashlights.
you think the UNITY Fast OMNI can fit the Holosun magnifier? tnx
I would like to see you do a review on your night vision device.
Con: Like an extra 5 oz of weight when you factor in the riser vs. the EOTech STS.
Excellent compairson.
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you have became my favorite scope channel, if you had to choose 1 LPVO, what is that one?
I considered one of these for one big reason; after a couple hundred rounds suppressed using a flip to side mount(the right side), the front lens of the magnifier is CAKED in carbon making it practically unusable. This would remedy that.
That’s a VERY good point. There are however magnifiers with mounts that allow swiping the flip side to the left (the new mini vortex does this, if I’m not mistaken.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 for right-handed shooters, this would make for a very snag-hazard gun when slung. It would also take up a large portion of your FOV of your other eye.
@@mcbadger2440 fair points. Haven’t used red dot + magnifier for a long time, to be honest, they sit on a S&W .22lr now.
I went back to LPVO + offset Red Dot on my 5.56. Putting the offset mount and the flashlight on the right and leaving the left side free of snagging points is definitely a good idea.
Can you use this in the lower position so it can be 1/3 co-witness?
I did not like the 'universal' mount on a g30 but that 30mm looks so damn clean.
Interested in the new PA 1x microprism setup. Looks like it makes the 3x magnifier eye relief actually usable cause it pushes it back off the receiver.
You want to run the magnifier behind the prism scope?
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 yeah at least if you have both the primary arms ones matched up. You just have to adjust the diopter until it's clear. Don't know about other prisms, but I think it was monstrum that came out with a prism specific 2x magnifier that you run in front.
@@luciusrene943 it can be a pain in the neck to focus two prism scopes (which the magnifiers are) in line. The 1X prism that you want might be easier to adjust.
I have a 3x prism scope and two 3x magnifiers. I tried to make a 9X just for fun and after a lot of frustration, I managed to do it, but there’s a big problem: as soon as you flip down the magnifier, the front prism scope will be out of focus. I’m convinced that, if you really want a variable magnification prism, the ELCAN is the only real option.
If you are having problems with eye relief, you should try the primary arms with the mount option that cants backwards. For me, the primary arms MicroPrisms have three advantages over the Vortex/Vector competitors: multiple mounting options, shake awake and finer 1/4 MOA adjustments (magnified options only).
Good luck on your experiment.
I was just about to comment about ftc kinda being in the way for passive nv and then you added your clarification announcement, lol. The other thing with ftc is you need to use a very thin rear buis if you want to run buis. I have an eotech with the unity riser so there are no sigts built into the mount like with a t2.
Also wanted to say. In my opinion, if u want to go tall, it's so much cheaper to just buy an adm 1/2" full rail riser to mount on the receiver and just use your factory mounts that come with your magnifier and red dot. I bought into the IG coolness, but on my backup night rifle, I went the cheaper route. To me, it wasn't worth spending all that money on the Unity Mounts. But at least I look cooler, lol.
Not sure paying a hefty premium with the requirement to rip it off for NV makes a lot of sense compared to a built in flip to side that works with NV natively. I know you can get regular mounts to work with 1.93 out of the box.
unity is 2.26 not 1.93
Will a rear BUIS fit under the magnifier when it’s flipped down?
You can get the eotech w/o mount at maybe 100 less
Do NODs typically clear a side flip magnifier mount or is it still required to remove it?
It would make for a very tight fit. I would remove it for the extra room, no questions asked.
Does the LER work in the 30mm mount? PA website says it doesn’t
TriPower review when?
Hello, we promised to show you a review of Delta Optical Stryker HD 4.5-30×56 FFP
When it will be?
So i can"t use an EXPS3 normal lower mount with UNITY mount on drop position? If i just don't like a riser for my red dot i can't use this mounts?
If only they made one that worked with the Holosun HM3X...
If only...
@@CDOES so there's a fake chinese copy of the ftc mount that is holosun pattern. I have one and the only con was the qd lever/clamp from the factory stripped right away. So i gt a real unity qd clamp and honestly it's solid. all in all I spend under $100 for the mount and qd clamp and it's rock solid.
@@Annoyingdog37really!!! Interesting!
@@Annoyingdog37 honestly, fuck it at that price. Especially on a $200 magnifier. I'm all for going American made. But if 1) no one makes it in the US. And 2) if you can get one that's the equivalent quality of the magnifier then screw it.
@@mikebrown4433 yeah so using my mechanic brain I figured that it would take an act of god to somehow fuck up a block of aluminum knowing how capable the chinese are at manufacturing. So i took a gamble and it’s honestly really well done, they responded to my complaint and sent me another qd in the updated style, but i have no reason to try jt out since i have a real unity/adm qd that cost just about the same as the replica. Locks up and down nice and solid. After trying an ftc mount, i think they’re overrated and i know it was covered already but yeah passive aiming is a pain because of the magnifier location unless you extend your length of pull. But that’s a non issue since you can just detach if for night time stuff
Do you know if the OMNI mount works with the Vortex Micro 3x magnifier? I swear it looks like it would be compatible, but even if it mounts the real question is does it fold without issue.
It works. Unity even has product images showing the Vortex 3x micro and lists it as one of the compatible magnifiers.
Glad to see that you added the section about taking off the magnifier if you want to use Nods. It's worth noting that your pen pal Hoplopfheil stated that he is not a fan of the flip to center mounts like the unity magnifier mounts. You can watch his video " What are Red Dot Magnifiers Really For? at: ruclips.net/video/luNvOp-seuw/видео.html Time stamp 6:04. He states that it "defeats...to retain full night vision capability".
Personally, I disagree with half of hop's take.
You can not look through this magnifier and have nods on, that's true.
However, it's a pain in the ass to look through a magnifier under nods anyways - the way I see it, you take the magnifier off at night, and when the sun comes up you put it back on so that you can actually use the magnification. Delta 34 did a video analysis on this exact topic, and that was his perspective!
@@NDMO2468 I believe that what Hop expressed was that with the side pivot mag mount you just move the magnifier out of the way. With the Unity mount you have to take off the mount/magnifier off.
Someone school me on high mounts. Don’t you give up a lot of cheek weld when you use them? Makes it harder to be precise in prone with a magnifier?
Yes. They're a personal preference/use case type thing.
They're cool, but definitely much higher and you'd have to consider if that's worth while.
I thought about it and bought a fast mount for a red dot, but after shooting it a bit realized I preferred something shorter. I like 1.5" -1.93" height sights better. The flip to center magnifier is cool but it is harder to prone for sure. It really is a setup for passive aiming with nv hence the qd for the magnifier mount.
@@matthewriegner5180 thanks for great explanation.
There's a lot of mixed feelings with regards to >1.93" mounts. The single biggest reason someone would have to use them is if they need to use masks regularly, or if for whatever odd reason they are training for passive aiming through NVGs a lot. The argument has been occasionally made that they're superior for CQB or that the hold overs at range are better. These are valid arguments, with caveats:
While yes, the more heads up position is objectively more comfortable if you ask me, I don't believe it offers you greater awareness and peripheral vision, as many people try to argue. On the contrary, in CQB, many would argue that the benefits of a lower mount, namely, lower holdovers reducing risk, and greater recoil control due to increased contact surface with the rifle, outweighs the benefits of a high mounted dot.
At range, it's actually true that if you look at the holdovers for a higher mount, they're superior in terms of point of aim, point of impact. The overall dispersion of your holdovers is more advantageous for the 0-450 yard range. The problem that you run into, of course, is what you mentioned; If you're in the prone, you may find that your poor cheek weld makes this advantage moot in practice.
All in all, I really think it comes down to preference and use case. For me, lower 1/3rd is fine, even if I don't think it's quite as comfortable. The mount variety is greater, it works well with magnifiers and other accessories out of the box, and if I need a higher mount, I can just put a riser under my optics. 2.33 is fine, but by no means do I think most people need to blow $500 on mounts to achieve it when it's less an upgrade and more a sidegrade.
@@KeterMalkuth i agree. I would also add that if you have multiple height optics across different rifle set ups makes training consistency getting behind the glass a little more difficult.
For Holosun HM3X, what mount is compatible?
I just really, really, really wish the Omni worked with the PA SLx full size (the best goddamn magnifier I've ever used.)
What magnifiers have you used?
@@joelapplin88 G33, G45, Vortex Micro, Juliet 4, Juliet 3 Micro, Samson 3x, and Aimpoint 6x.
Heads up shooting only works on little cartridges. Feel free to try that same posture with a 45-70. The tactical cowboy crowd complaints about the recoil from mild loads because they mount optics really high on low comb stocks. Same for shotguns, high optic equals high discomfort.
On a more practical level I do think I have a valid question. You need space for your nods to be over the receiver in order to use your passive aiming. How about a scout scope 2-7 with a piggy back micro dot as a do all setup? The closest my Burris 2-7 can be is flush with the end of the receiver, which leaves the entire upper clear.
I love these things but 250$ hurts. I wish this was a thing before I bought my adm swing off. I wanna cry because I want this so bad but then my old one will be doing nothing cause I only have one magnifier.
There is absolutely no reason a mount should be this expensive.
Anyone remember the larue poboy?
I will never back off from this position, unity mounts and all other after market mounting systems are almost always grossly overpriced. the fact that unity has the gall to sell a magnifier mount that costs more or as much as the magnifier mounted to it is ridiculous. There are few magnifiers that are significantly more expensive than the unity mounts and beyond magnifiers there are plenty of decent red dots that are as much or less than the mounts. they sell these things for 2-3 hundred dollars which is wild when considering what they are in relation to the rest of the indusrty
Im not buying the whole "snag" justification. Ill go so far as to say its b.s. With all the lasers, weapon lights, offset red dots, and various gizmos guys have hanging over the side of their rifles, snag is a bullsh*t reason to spend 260 bucks. Oh, and that goes for the better "balance" justification too.
I will never understand with all these prisms and red dot magnifiers why they don't make 10 to 20 x big diameter prism sight lots have mounts for reflex on top like my spitfires but 3x 5x just isn't enough magnification...I'd rather have my dreamed up jumbo spitfire 12x with a little red dot on top than magnifiers and giant long rifle scopes ???????????? Never bought a magnifier never wanted more moving parts ...clutter to my azzburgurs brain😊