Theo Von & Jocko Willink on PTSD
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Excerpt from Jocko Willink | This Past Weekend #120
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I would watch a podcast with these two as the hosts. Call it “fighter and the kid” or something
The commander and the rat king
Yeah it’d be a shit load better than those other two
The Soldier and the guy who beat the syndrome
the bullet and the mullet
completely Agree, I think its along the lines of sweet and salty. It just makes sense.
There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.
Was hoping someone would post this. 👍
- Jesus
I think about this quote ALL THE TIME from when I was in Catholic school, not religious anymore, but there's true wisdom in Jesus teachings
Amen !
Theo was like a little nephew talking to his uncle haha
Have you read jokos book “way of the warrior kid” it’s ment for kids but it’s a good read for anyone
"Is it pretty incredible???"
Dude this man is a living legend. If everyone had Jockos will and dedication we’d be be unstoppable. He’s also very humble
dedication has Jocko
Fourteen years as a firefighter. My career ended due to PTSD. Couldn’t do it anymore. I thank God I didn’t end up smoking myself. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
Appreciate what you guys do. That's exactly why I couldn't be one. A buddy of mine is a firefighter and hearing stuff he has told me let me know real quick I couldn't handle it.
I too as a fireman suffered from it myself. I ended up leaving at ten years due to changing my career to better my family. With three kids 48/96s became hard to work at only $12.72 /hr. I appreciate your service and hope all is well!
Years spent as an EMT gave me a bit of PTSD. I see particularly gruesome calls in my head almost on a daily basis. I had to get help and I feel much better.
Thank you for your service 🙏
You're the man. It's hard to say something meaningful but I really hope you know you're awesome.
@@elopez9869 Thank you! The stigma surrounding therapy is getting better, at least. I see someone who specializes in military/first responder stuff.
10 years as a critical care nurse took it's toll on my mental health, when the fourth covid wave was introducing itself i knew I needed to quit yesterday of I would kill myself. I'm glad im out but I miss my colluages. It hurts to leave them behind.
@@thealvaco fuck that’s rough. Thanks for everything, you’ve done so much for society. Please always remember that your mental and physical health is important too, and sometimes stepping away from your job is the right choice. Sooner or later someone will have to step up and take your place anyways, you can’t always be the one to solve everything. Regardless, you are appreciated. Take care ❤️
There’s another form of PTSD that a lot of people don’t know about: Complex PTSD.
It’s common to people who’ve been in hostage situations, but most people who have CPTSD are actually survivors of childhood abuse or other long term abusive relationships.
2 to 5yrs old. Childhood abuse. 75%. Yea hyper vigilance is worse than a panic attack.
C-PTSD is long term POW type PTSD. Real Rambo stuff. Or family court dragged out divorce abused alienated kids.
That's what I have. The isolation during COVID made it get _really_ bad too. I had it under control before that whole mess.
The hypervigilance mixed with dissociation is something that's very hard to explain. It's like being in ultra reality and virtual reality simultaneously.
C-PTSD is essentially the psychological mechanism that CIA used to "deprogram" test subjects in the MK Ultra experiments.
Thanks for pointing this out. Cptsd isn't as commonly referenced as PTSD.
I've even had one VA counselor acknowledge that guys who go in with cptsd, are significantly more likely to end up with PTSD from the military
i have CPTSD i have ptsd from afghanistan and from childhood and some from after military. i didnt know about it untill the past year or so.
When jocko said “ they got it handled “ I was like damn
That comment fucking hit me as well, he's a good man.
if only - it is incumbent on US all to call Jocko out on his purile gung ho enthusiastic, overly eager BS about taking part in fighting and warfare. We retreated from Ramadi & after we ran, ISIS overran and won out in the region for years - Michael A. Monsoor died on account of misguided orders from capitol hill (we were always going to retreat) - Jocko is a minnow taking orders from sharks - his pay grade is - write bs self-help books for $ and promote & shoot the shit on silly podcasts - though, to be fair, they are entertaining
@@cahillgreg 🤡
@@cahillgreg was that English dude? Just stop lol
@@cahillgreg How about you retreat from your mom's basement and walk a mile in Jocko's shoes!
“No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends.”
John 15:13
Yes Sir. That’s the religion! Straight from God of the universe.
Jocko is a beast. Much love to all the Vets out there
The story at the end was powerful. Rest In Peace Michael Monsoor. God bless people like him
I have non combat ptsd. It sucks. I have a little chihuahua who is my service dog and does things for my disability like finding lost objects, search and clear a room, wake me up for my alarm, self harm interruption, can unzip my book bag and retrieve meds and tons and tons more.
She deff a tiny dog that has a huge job and she absolutely loves to work (and cuddle haha)
Tiny but mighty
Thank you both for your service!
@@blackdynamite6055 he said non combat ptsd. There was no service.
@@Roma-rusk 😭😭 still 💯💯
@@blackdynamite6055 yeah ptsd sucks no matter how you look at it. Im ex LEO and have it.
@@Roma-rusk You can be in the service and never see combat.
Theo never looked small until this podcast. Dude looks kinda regular size until it cuts back to Theo and it’s apparent he’s actually a beast.
I was probably 3/4 of a mile away from a testing range where the Marine Corps were shooting off the M777 Howitzer which shoots a 155mm round. The sound that thing makes while traveling thru the air and also sound of the impact made me appreciate life. I couldn’t even imagine being anywhere close to where those rounds landed, and I could totally see how those WW1 guys came back with shell shock because that shit could definitely knock a few screws loose
It’s crazy to hear him say your brain will do things you didn’t know it could, he was talking about going through a life or death situation in war and your brain will choose what it needs to do.
My sister dated a guy that was in the marines and I had asked about his time over seas and I did what you kinda aren’t supposed to do and ask them about the enemy engagements they faced, but I asked for the sake of what his mind set was and what he went through mentally, and he actually liked the question cause I was asking about him being in a fire fight, but I wasn’t asking if he killed someone or if he did some glorious shit, I couldn’t care less cause I already know people get shot and killed there, so, he obliged my question, and this was his answer: “I remember being a my f.o.b and we started taking fire from an unknown location, a bullet splashed near me and from there I was in auto pilot and training took full control, I jumped on the humvee mounted MG and I racked the bolt started firing and I didn’t hear a rounds go off but, I know I didn’t go def cause I could hear the action of the bolt cycling just fine.”
That right there blew me away cause I knew what his brain did, it canceled out the deafening sound of the gun fire but still allowed him to hear his buddies and hear the bolt racking and she’ll casing hitting the deck, it’s like his brain knew he needed his hearing so it protecting him also while letting him hear other things, things that wouldn’t damage his hearing.
Holy shit, the human brain is absolutely remarkable.
I mean shooting without ear pro still damages the eardrums. But it is cool that your brain can selectively negate what sounds you consciously hear.
That's cap dude
@@dakotajourdan2526 ok bud, what ever you say.
@@dakotajourdan2526 so, explain how.
I don't wanna disgrace what men experience in war, but I did 4 years in prison at 18. Crazy experience. Can only be describe as traumatic. I met men in there that I trust with my life. I will never forget those men in the same situation as me and we both wanted the other to make it home safe. One guy lives down the street from me. 12 years of friendship and still counting. That's a blessing. You don't know nobody until they'll tested. The men next to me were fighters not one coward.
Everyone always talks about soldiers when it comes to PTSD but the vast majority of PTSD cases don't come from current/ex military/police members, they actually come from childhood trauma (psychological abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, childhood bereavement) and unfortunately aren't diagnosed or treated until much later in life..
I'm 30 years old I just finished 2.5 years of CPT therapy for treatment of my C-PTSD that I developed due to witnessing several family members (my parents, a grandparent and an uncle) die during my adolescence(16-20), that I didn't deal with at the times, i instead drank, did drugs and basically did everything possible to put it to back of my mind and not think or deal with it until i had a full blown mental breakdown at 27. Luckily found an amazing psychologist who helped me put myself back together mentally and help me understand, come to terms with, accept and come to peace with the events that happened.
Anyone dealing with PTSD, I will say this, I understand seeking and starting treatment is terrifying then when you start it, it feels like the hardest thing you'll ever have to do in your life but you hit a point where you see the light at the end of the tunnel, you can literally feel the weight of your trauma lifting off you and its a glorious feeling! Please, anyone dealing with PTSD, I know its hard, I understand and taking that first step to saying "okay I need help" seems like such an impossibility but once you do, once you finally start getting treatment and deal with your trauma, you'll finally be able to live a full life! The life you deserve!
Opinions suck.
Whats CPT?
@@chaoticnipples3405 childs protected taxes? Just kidding. Cognitive processing therapy
It's not the same type of PTSD, that's why it's talked about more
@@snakevenom4954 Not true.
My dad just got diagnosed with PTSD, I watched him be an absolute maniac my entire life had no clue why. He’s a Vietnam vet, It took that long.
Welcome home
Somebody said it earlier, this is like a nephew/uncle conversation. Big props to Theo for asking relevant questions without asking any of the usual litany of ignorant ones
On the battle of the Somme, for those who didn’t know, the bombardment was apparently so loud it could be heard from Britain.
12 hours and millions of shells... can you imagine the horror
Well.. the British dug a tunnel under the German trench and filled it with explosives. I do believe setting that off was what was heard to England. Maybe both tho.
"Man has known no greater than love than this, that a man may lay down his life for his friends."
Watched hours upon hours on WW1 and WW2. Soldiers getting permanent physical aliments solely from she'll shock. Not being able to walk anymore just from what that does to your mind. I truly believe those soldiers in the trenches from WW1 are some of the people that have truly been in hell on earth
“Good evening, good afternoon, and other times.”
My man this is why I watch you
I can sit here and listen to jocko speak all day
I can not express enough my gratitude for Jocko. His service, wisdom, guidance, and leadership. At my lowest point I came across his “Good” video! It showed me that the bad spot I was in wasn’t a misfortune, it was an opportunity. It fueled me to where I am today and will continue to push me into the future! STEP, GO!
lmao jocko is 100% ready to go into combat at any time
I think this is a profound topic. I work with kids and we have kids who have this from their upbringings. We have kids who have no psychological development and the development that they experienced is nothing but trauma from beatings, neglect and so forth. Then these kids grow up and become drug addicts or criminal and the addicts internalize the pain and the criminals project that pain on their victims.
Very well summarized at the end there.
John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."
im in tears can u imagine what those kids go threw every time they hear a jet
PTSD is more common than people think, you can get PTSD from abusive environments at home, as well as Complex PTSD which is similar to PTSD, but it's smaller events over a long period of time and manifests with emotional flashbacks as opposed to auditory and visual.
I have CPTSD and its fucked. Just feel like crying or near furious out of nowhere- have to do some serious mental digging to find out the root cause, to try to unlock the memory associated with the intrusive emotion. If you can do that, you can figure out what's happened that triggered that emotional flashback. Then maybe you can stop it before it starts the next time.
@@YewrinePish Trust me I know. My source of CPTSD is my controlling parents. A few years ago I felt like I was at a dead end with them and my job so I foolishly sold my car and got rid of most my stuff and went to live in Hawaii for a few months. After that I went to Japan to meditate for 10 days, then came back to live with my parents. Been trying to build myself up ever since. That was like 3 years ago now. Then the bullshit pandemic hit and we have to deal with the insanity of everything now. I know I need to move out for my mental health Im just afraid whats next for society, what will they pull on us next and should I find a "free" state to move to first.
@@YewrinePishAlso I recommend Pete Walkers book CPTSD from Surviving to Thriving and RUclips Channel Richard Grannon as well as Crappy Childhood Fairy
I can't find any information on the subject but I've always wondered about the possibility of getting PTSD or CPTSD from extended exposure to combat media such as movies, video-games, videos on the internet, etc.
As long as I can remember I've been fascinated with combat. What would scare others would put a warmth in my chest.
From the age of about 6 maybe 7, I've loved the sounds and vibrations of machine guns, mortars/artillery guns, repeated ak fire, explosions, etc.
When I was little, about 8, I thought of it as honorable and filled with glory. Then I saw the realistic side once I got a little older, about 10 or 12, and stepped into the world of random footage on RUclips. (by realistic side, I mean how if You catch a 7.62x39 with your cheekbone, there's a lot more pain and worry of death than glory to be found in that situation.)
Videos ranging from cartel gun battles and hits/killings, terrorist explosions and gas attacks (both the actual detonations and the aftermath), executions, firefights.
To bodycam footage of Officer involved shootings and active shooter situations. A lot of which, showed severe graphic content.
I remember watching the videos because I couldn't understand/process that they were real.
And I would question how People talk about their favorite sports team and colors when there's this much shittiness in the world.
There was a video of a little boy in Juarez, 5 or 6 years old, kicking around a decapitated Man's head as if it were a soccer-ball. I saw that video when I was 12 (Maybe 13... I'm 19 now so forgive Me if my memory doesn't reach that far, lol)
There's other shit but I try to not let Myself put it into other People's minds.
If anyone has any materials/places for Me to learn more about this subject please tell Me of them.
This has been in my mind for years and I have always refused to say that I have PTSD. I don't want the label because I've always thought that the 'label' is for those who have earned it through action. And I'd mentally break Myself down, questioning Myself on what actions I took to have that label.
Every time I'd tell Myself "All I did was watch videos. I haven't been in danger. Nobody does or will, ever, give a fuck. They're too busy dealing with the ones who deserve help."
Eventually I realized the 'ones who deserve help' are extremely likely to refuse to get it.
I'm starting to realize I need to stop thinking like I'm taking someone else's Help away.
Sorry for the rambling/long ass comment lol
This is one of the few times I've opened up to others about this subject.... Was thinking of deleting this but figured I shouldn't. Maybe it'll help Somebody with something.
I guess I'm writing this to get other People's opinions.
Also I don't believe I did this but in case of misinterpretation. I didn't intend to trivialize the hardships of horrific situations. I hold a great deal of respect for Members of any Military.
If anyone reads this then thanks for your time. Writing this helped a bit.
I hope You have a good day.
@@nemosdadmarlin5916 Hmm. Well it does make me wonder what draws you to watch this stuff and whether an actual traumatic event within your life could have drawn you to watch it. And I can't say for sure whether it would cause trauma, but I'd say there is definitely a good chance, especially since you started so young. You might find something on "vicarious trauma" since you were basically viewing traumatic events constantly, that could have an impact on you. I don't know if your specific situation would be discussed, but if you want to learn about CPTSD in general, I would check out Pete Walkers book CPTSD from Surviving to Thriving and RUclips Channel Richard Grannon as well as Crappy Childhood Fairy
Man, Theo’s mannerisms and tone on the outro greatly remind me of Jim Varney’s character Earnest P Worrel.
Not a vet of any sort just witnessed a homicide from 10ft away at 17 . Dealt with my ptsd with hard drugs till I was 24 and decided to face it by speaking about it from there on . It’s amazing what jus letting that demon out can do , just confiding finally with people who also deal with it . I grew a new understanding and respect for those who serve and my close friends in the military , brought me closer to them as well .
It’s sort of coming out more and more that you don’t have to be a veteran to have PTSD. I wonder what Jocko thinks about this
Respect to all veterans, do your country a service even if it means just going to your local VA hospital and volunteer. AMVETS is a good organization to look at. Some of the vets there who have no one just need someone to talk to and be with them. Especially those who's family aren't around for whatever reason. I understand the pandemic right now, but when circumstances permit it, I'm just saying to look into it if you want to help out some of those who risk their lives for us, yet somehow get the short end of the straw when they get home. Hell, if there is a vet that asks for a buck on the median of the road and you have it to spare, give them a dollar. Just something I wanted to put out there. It's the least we can do for these men and women. God bless y'all
Theo, it is more Brave to admit vulnerability, not deny it.
I look at Jocko like some sort of titan, when he said "There are guys way better than me, and they got it handled" sucks to be an enemy of the US.
“I’m glad you got to experience 1/1m/1b/ of a fraction of a percent of that.”
That was so cold of a burn it even went over Theo’s head. Much like a mortar. 😐
Theo doesnt deserve to be in the same room with Jocko, let alone have a conversation with this man.
My great grandfather fought in ww1. I’m sure he had ptsd from it, but his biggest issue was what the mustard gas did to his brain. He was not the same and the only job he could hold was as a gas station attendant. It truly is heartbreaking what these guys had to go through. Many of them were just boys when they left home in parades. Only to arrive at hell’s doorstep in the trenches. Worst part was the generals had learned their battle tactics from previous wars without machine guns and that kind of artillery, so they would literally just send waves of men out of the trenches to get slaughtered. We have it so good now I feel like a piece of shit when I complain and remember how bad some people had it in history
The va identifies ptsd as "thinking about trauma when you don't want to" its very looked down upon when you're in the military but the stigma is going away more
I was willing to drown to save my best friends life, it's something inside you. Thankfully at the last second things changed but I had a calm feeling come over me knowing he was going to make it and I was cool with my shit going wrong....it's fucked up, can't really explain why.
You resigned yourself to accepting whatever hand fate dealt you.
I like it when people tell me I have PTSD. Especially when I watch this guy. My shit is internal because I never had a opportunity to die, but lived a life of training to die. Now I have to listen to this. Watch this. Its great you all got to fire back at a real enemy. For the rest of us, keep talking about how we didn't help. Thanks. Great job.
Feeling sorry for yourself won’t help you get anywhere.
The word of God says, There is no greater love than a man lay down his life for his friends...
0:34 I would argue that the brave ones are the ones whom come forward. There’s nothing brave about suffering in silence.
"That's cool". That made my whole week
Sometimes when you're under attack and you have no way to fight or flee, you can get a serine feeling of acceptance that you have no control over what's happening to you and whatever happens, happens. It's out of your own hands. Continuous or repetative assaults on a humans psychology like that can leave you mentally numb or disoriented with feelings. You have to forget how to feel, because feeling ANYTHING at all is too painful. Your mind shuts down.
My mom was enlisted. When the chaplains secretary went on maternity leave, I was volunteered to help around the office for community service. I can't explain the level of horror I've seen through people's eyes and understood from what they said. I was doing something for finalizing paperwork for getting discharged. Guys that just looked like ghosts. Wives and parents trying to get paperwork in order for people who aren't coming back so they can get benefits. They always wanted to talk and tell a story. I was mid teens, shit fucked me up, but in like a perspective kinda way. The wails of a person who truly has nothing to live for will haunt you, haunt you to your fucking core man.
Jocko by sight alone seems like this beefy manly dude. And he is still pretty macho and stern. But, he has an incredible talent on telling stories but being able to describe the feelings of him and the people in the story. He is showing what the military is really like. Which is understandably difficult for us kids in peace time to truly wrap our heads around. In fact we even idolize it with entertainment not truly knowing what it’s like. How many war movies have gotten all kinds of shit wrong? It’s because they can’t put to entertainment the level of realism that being in that life truly has. The ups and the downs. A very intelligent man
The problem with trying to determine whether someone's PTSD is warranted, is that PTSD is not black and white.
If you had the ability to take 10 different people and make them live the exact same event as each other, from the exact same perspective, some would end up with PTSD of varying severity, and some wouldn't.
There are people out there with PTSD from events that seem meaningless to others.
Fortunately and unfortunately not every human being has the same mind, and that means that some people are just not going to be as psychologically "tough" as others.
But that's a good thing because the world needs sensitive people too.
I am on disability for PTSD. Unfortunately, people think PTSD is solely a military, combat, near death, thing and that's not the case. If you had an aggressive parent, or were bullied through school, etc that can 100% cause PTSD. I'm also 100% sure that there are scumbags that lie about it but that doesn't actually diminish people that are really suffering. It doesn't affect me anyway. Another problem with mental illness is people always feel the need to COMPARE it to someone else's mental illness. "Well so and so has been through worse and he doesn't have (insert illness)" ....yeah...so f'n what?!
People are different. One person can drink more than another, one person can tolerate heat more than another, One person can cope with stress better than another. Why do we think that people's brains can't respond differently to different experiences?? It's bullshit. Just like with sexual assault, Believe everyone always until there's undeniable proof of the contrary. Just because one person "had it worse" and didn't develop PTSD, doesn't mean that it's any less real for someone else.
totally true. I myself have been struggling with ptsd for years since university , where some shitheaded rituals got out of hand for a year long group bullying. Good luck , sir . Have you tried EMDR?
You understand that having a man parent is nothing compared to seeing burned bodies right? Obviously there's levels to this, but at least admit it ?
@@dakotajourdan2526 I watched a man get ripped in half in front of my face. His name was Mikey Greer. After he hit a van head-on at 70 mph his bike hit me as I was right behind him. We were in the middle of nowhere and it was just my friend and I and the old man in the van that hit him that was totally hysterical. He died about 2 minutes. HIs intestines were on the street. THAT didn't effect me.
Being arrested and charged with a serious crime I didn't commit, facing life in prison, and ultimately being exonerated by a jury has left me too terrified to even go to the grocery store. I never dream. I only have nightmares. Seeing black SUVs inspires panic. Every noise I hear outside my house I think is the cops outside my house coming to lock me up for another crime I didn't commit. Aside from smoking weed and speeding I've never done anything illegal in my life...even weed is legal for me now because of my PTSD...there ARE NOT LEVELS!!! People's brains respond differently to different forms of trauma. Violence doesn't bother me. Death doesn't bother me. The loss of my freedom, especially for no reason, has completely broken me.
@@dakotajourdan2526 if you do comparisons like that, then no one deserves to speak out , except those who was in a war, or some other extreme experience.
@@dakotajourdan2526 You understand that that's not at all how it works, right?
Thanks Jocko for bringing up WW1 symptoms of guys going blind or deaf, better explains my symptoms.
John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Jocko NEVER puts himself above the other SEALS. He was probably outstanding...but he wont accept any special accolade. I absolutely respect that.
It’s
Cause by a hyperactive amygdala. There nerve blocks that can really help reset the amygdala and heal
The issue.
PTSD comes from all different angles, but for men that served in wars, and had to deal with the hard facts of seeing death. I have been around veterans that have it and it’s scary at times. One brother seen me and started flashing back, it took some time but he was seeing me as an ISIS war lord. He could hear my voice but he wanted to kill me. He thought I was an ISIS warrior, but the cops were called. I never pressed charges, they took him to the VA, and locked him down for a bit. He started to cry and apologize once they got him subdued. I only chatted with him for a bit once he was in the cop car. Something triggered his flashback, it could have been a smell of my beard or my big beard. Who knows? Long story, but the cops knew he has been messed up from the war, but they helped him.
It’s difficult when you have a doctor tell you that you do have issues and what you feel isn’t normal.
Jock: “Yeah that’s cool… So I could hear them launch the mortars at us, then hit the ground.”
“THEY GOT IT HANDLED” 😮👍
Just two kings spitting facts, love you Theo ❤️👍🏼
PTSD being synonymous with military service is not a good thing. People seem to think that if you didn't serve you can't have ptsd. But I don't know how you change that perception.
A lot of undiagnosed ptsd out there..in many forms.
This podcast could be called the warrior and the dude
This set/background is a good one
Trauma of any type can lead to PTSD. It’s important to speak to a health care professional to get a clear diagnosis.
At this point, just about anything that sheds a light on ptsd, and makes it more accepted is a good thing. More people suffer from childhood trauma than is expressed. Ptsd is not a military thing.
Theo Vonn, Jocko Willink, Duncan Trussle and Joe Rogan all in one podcast. I wanna see it happen
Got ptsd from the crime life. Some things may have been worth it but I'm not proud of it. Dont do it
Love me some Jocko!!!! Thx guys for a great video!!!
Camp Arifjan is a U.S. Army base in Kuwait...but close enough.
I feel like Theo Von would have been one of the greatest Navy Seals if he had joined.
Just saw a video of shell shock holy shit my respects to people serving in the military
Arifjan is Kuwait. Been there a few times on way into Iraq.
The drug cocktails they give r tough but i eventually stopped all those. One thing that doesnt really knock u out or anything its a blood pressure med that stops the nightmares
Prazosin/minipress it lowers ur blood pressure but doubles as not having u remeber ur dreams. Ik that was one of the worst parts starting everyday like u relived the event or events overnight
New game show idea: Make Jocko Laugh. No one ever wins.
Thanks Theo.
Love both of these guys!!
Shit I used to teach kindergarten, I got PTSD from those little monsters...
I would love to hear Jocko comment on the difference between PTSD in modern warfare vs ancient warfare. I would honestly assume that ancient warfare had less PTSD, because even though it sounds more barbaric, stabbing another man with a spear is so much more human than modern warfare.
WW1 vets suffered from traumatic brain injuries caused by constant concussive force from shockwaves. It's not that they could not handle it, they had severe neurological trauma.
The military brass is so stupid when it comes to this. They don't want to take responsibility for TBI. Often what is thought to be PTSD is far more physiological in nature and should be treated as such. (Nutrition, hormonal balance, medicines with neurogenesis properties like mushrooms) Soldiers can get headaches after long days at the range and from shooting. What do you think mortars do to you. The reality of physics is ignored. Our brains are essentially gelatinous masses which shockwaves pass through and damage, causing microtears and inflammation.
I highly recommend any vets who have suffered from concussive force to look into curing/living with TBI. Talking to a therapist helps, but it may be that you need to physically change your lifestyle and habits in order to become healthy and whole again.
It isn't a matter of breaking points. You may be invisibly physically damaged and need to heal.
Good luck to you all and God bless
Source: Commando that was blown up by a rocket and made stoopid 🦍
Very true.
I’m glad jocko talks about ww1, gnarly. Imo the most gruesome war in history. Bayonets and trenches. Couldint imagine me and my buddies having to go charge into a pit of enemies with guns and knives drawn.
Listen to Jocko the one thing that I've learned about PTSD it really doesn't matter in life if your military EMT police officer medical personnel there's tons of people in this life to walk around this world that have PTSD think of that young girl that was sexually abused her whole life think of that youngboy beaten by his father or by his stepfather what does think about just the child alone that set their everyday taking verbal abuse or the woman or the man PTSD has no lines in the sand are military personnel sometimes PTSD extreme most definitely walk-in that girl shoes that was sexually assaulted by her family member or by the neighbor or by a boyfriend their whole life
We got hit by a 240mm rocket in Iraq. That was a shitty day. No killed, but about 50 WIA. They hit the chow hall at breakfast. We got hit with 2 IED’s before that on a route clearance patrol. Hell of a night
82mm recoiless Afghanistan 2011
I feel ya brother
God bless
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But also worth noting you can get PTSD from non military/non combat related situations. Infact since most people haven't been in combat the vast majority of those with PTSD are non combat veterans. However it's not the same type of fear. PTSD is a fear based thing.
Non-Combat PTSD doesn't deserve government funding or help, the men shot at, bombed and that watched their friends die have to be prioritized for all help available. Trying to say that the PTSD is the same is a joke.
At the end when he says "how about that video... it was ok"
Jocko telling his serious story and then Theo with his goofy ass voice interrupts him at 5:40 lmfao
Is waking panic a form of PTSD? What I mean by waking panic is that from the second your brain switches on-you go fight or flight(think jumping out of bed ready to run or fight, but there is no immediate external stressors)
Could be a symptom
I don’t see how people can fake it. I had a panel of people grill me for 8 hours, I had to get my whole body scanned and a doc talked to me about my PTSD for an hour. Before that they all went over all my records from over a decade in the military. I didn’t have to say much it was all documented, I’m confused as to how someone fakes being deployed and getting ptsd in the military.
Mike was just waiting imitating Christ (fall on a grenade) that’s Above the call of duty.
large amounts of service members scam the system. I did 22 years and got 20 percent disability for my back and hearing and there are people leaving the service today after 4 years that haven't deployed that get out with way more of a disability rating than me. All they have to do is keep going to the hospital for the same thing over and over about the same thing.
Most military members who get out of the military with "PTSD" had PTSD before joining the military.
Only 10% of service members see action or combat. While 60%+ claim compensation for PTSD.... or something along those numbers.
I have a buddy who never left the fob with 100% VA disability for ptsd...ridiculous
Jocko said he didn't know if there was anything doctrinal about sacrificing your life for your friend, but maybe spiritual; the doctrinal is there in plain language in the words of Jesus: "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13.
Bullets dont fire until they have jocko's permission.
Jacko - It’s biblical. John 15:13 -
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends
You dont have to be shot at or in combat to have PTSD.
Theo, that was my first day of deployment… haha “shitty game show” I lol’d
I'd love to have Jocko at 5:45 go in the room and ask whoever is loud talking so loud your mics are picking it up to shut the fuck up....that would've been priceless.
Definitely not a disorder. PTS
That painting looks like Chris Farley.
Jocko thought there perhaps was no religious doctrine to describe what he was getting at. I would humbly suggest this quote from Jesus... "John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." God bless both of you! Pro Patria!!
Theo is a great podcast partner with jocko.