I practiced Jiu Jitsu several times a week for over 7 years. When folks ask me if I ever had to use this art, I reply, “yes, and it saved my life”. Of course the first thing most people think of when I give them this answer is me defending myself from a crazed knife wheeling attacker, or something similar. But the truth to this story was something I never imagined. I was working for a federal government agency, and I was supposed to be part of the group that drove our fancy electric carts out to the gates of our facility in order to pick up a visiting senator. Our purchasing officer was supposed to drive one of the carts, and I was standing on the pack platform of one of the carts, while the officer was at the wheel. I was busy talking to someone on the ground, not paying attention, and all of a sudden the purchasing officer accidentally hit the power and the cart shot forward, taking me backward with the back of my head 8 feet in the air headed for the concrete road. After doing thousands of falls practicing jiu jitsu, I relaxed, then automatically tucked my chin to my chest, and did a perfect back fall. Everyone was in shock, as they expected my head to look like a smashed watermelon. I jumped up, laughing, brushed myself off and felt like superman. Simple as that. No ninja to fight, or damzel to save, or any other kind of action movie storyline. Just a potentially lethal fall, or at best a traumatic brain injury where for the rest of my life, i would have been rolled in front a window and fed jello through a straw. well worth the 7 years of practice.
Had a friend in college who found himself in the same situation without the training. Ended with a fractured skull, from being seated on the truck of a car to the ground.
100%. I always get accused as being a cop hater for suggesting cops shoot people because they panic because they aren't well trained enough for their stressful job. A lot of cops only range time is range time they go out of their way to get. It isn't training planned by the department. I guess saying police shouldn't shoot people as often as they do makes you anti-cop these days.
@@DontTouchMePlz I'm just a regular no-body shmuck with a 1911, and out-shoot virtually every cop I've ever seen at the range, not because I'm so good, but because they're just that bad. Not really a dig against them. After all, they're the ones taking the risk, getting out there and trying to make the world better, so I have nothing but respect for them, but the standards are appalling.
I'd agree, but also there is plenty of factors that can influence this 1 - Lack of training in the academy, as the academy might not be able to afford to give it's students enough rounds and practice time to put bullets down range 2 - Lack of shooting experience prior to policing. Let's be honest, I'm not a fan of people who have never shot a gun before becoming cops, as the academy will never be able to give you enough time in the first place 3 - Most cops have never been in combat situations, and pretty much nothing can prepare you for your first time.
Most cities want their police force to make money. They're reluctant to spend on them beyond what's needed to issue tickets as well as the political liability for their training. If an officer abuses something you went out of your way to give them it looks bad politically. If they abuse standard tools, they're just a bad egg and you get a new one.
My first exposure to Jiu-Jitsu was over thirty years ago. A bunch of us were playing ball and I got a bit heated and went after another dude. Another mutual friend was trying to calm me down but I was having none of it. Unbeknownst to me, this friend had been doing Gracie Jiu-Jitsu for a few years and took me down gently, got my back with hooks in and a seatbelt hold and just whispered in my ear, "Calm down. calm down." "I can do this all day." While I struggled with all my might. I wrestled and played football in HS, had trained in Kenpo Karate and thought myself a pretty decent athlete, etc., and I've NEVER felt so helpless and humbled in all my life. This friend demonstrated the utmost kindness given the situation in subduing me until gained my senses. I've never forgotten that. Jiu-Jitsu is awesome.
I've used head and arm take downs twice. One time with a buddy of mine that spazzed out and once with a hostile coworker. Same thing I just held them down and talked to them. They struggle for a few seconds and then give up. It was nice to defuse without having to hurt a friend.
It makes me feel happy to know that there are great guys who hold massive amounts of power. But ngl it makes me feel slightly insecure knowing that I couldn't do shit if they ever went after me.
@@SASMADBRUV7 The average person has no idea just how far ahead of us these people are in fighting / killing skills. I trained a solid 10 years in Jujitsu and against even the lowest level MMA professional I'd be done for let alone a Navy Seal. No chance. Even in a life-and-death situation adrenaline only lasts so long and I no longer have good cardio. So...
SFAAPK7 lol true that! I’ve been training for 4 years, compete often and still can’t do shit to lots of guys I train with lol Thankfully they’re some of the nicest, most respectful people I’ve ever met and I trust them with my life (literally!)
Damien Holland Best and worst feeling ever when you’ve had a few good rolls one day, think you’re really making progress and then boom get absolutely smoked by someone at that next level lol
I’ve been wanting to start jiu jitsu for a long time, I wasn’t able to afford it. Decided the time is the time. Got a job, started saving money for jits, signed up, days later, quarantine starts 🙃
LOL sorry guys. I've been doing BJJ on and off for nearly 20 years, and as Jocko and others have pointed out it is truely a transformative expererince. Learning how to fight, how to control someone else, how to escapse someone elses control, etc makes you a much more calm & controlled individual. It greatly reduces the fear, and fear makes people do stupid things. Would also recommend (if you don't already) consider taking a shooting class. Even if you never choose to own a firearm or carry, knowing HOW weaons work or how to handle a found weapon does the same thing. FYI - if BJJ is to pricey (which I get) find a good Judo school. They are normally $20-50/mo. Stay safe and hope we can all get back to training soon.
I was a month into training and felt I was actually getting good but then boop quarantine starts. As a cringey white belt I can proudly say "BJJ saved my life"😆
I think Joe Rogan told a story about how one of his friends rolled with Jocko. Long story short, the guy walked away with a accidental broken neck and a permanent tickle in the back of his throat. Now I'm only 99% sure it was Jocko, so don't take my word for it
@doug dimidome I was in Jujitsu for a solid 10 years and no one ever had an injury that severe. At the end of every class we'd get into 4 minute grappling matches at 80% intensity, again and again, and the worst that happened was maybe a sprain. Not even a dislocation.I suppose it's possible to accidentally damage your neck if you fall with someone the wrong way but that is the rarest of the rare kind of accident.
Reminds me of that Sun Tzu quote: To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
I was riding my bike and hit "something" with the front tire. Bike stopped and I went over the front handle bars. Did a twist roll in the air (couldn't really say what) and ending up running forward. No harm. Thr front tire of my bike was bent 90 degrees and unridable. The whole thing happened so fast I have no conscious plan / time to think. But safe.ALSO got jumped on the 4th of July. Was hit in the back of the head /blind sided. Turned around and saw someone running away. Turning back to keep heading towards car, and bam! Hit in back of head again. Turned around, and bam, another hit. So it took me that long to realize I was in a fight / in danger. A circle had formed around me. I keep spinning around, as everyone keep ONLY trying to hit be from behind. I didn't want to go down because didn't want the circle to close and keep stomped. Keep my hands up, chin down, threw a few (mostly fake) jabs and kicks, got my back to a car so they couldn't circle me. My wife came and shooed them off (really). My ears were ringing, I had a horrible head ache, I felt light headed and mildly nauseous. My training didn't allow me to be superman or drop anyone, but it certainly helped me regain control of the situation, not go down, and protect myself. Closes I've come to getting killed / seriously injured. To me it felt like the whole thing took 3-4mins, but per wife it was like 30-40secs total.
@@Vejitasei I am really glad you were able to use your training and discipline to save yourself in both situations. Seriously, you were able to stay in control of yourself and win.
I think the point was, look at all the punches they throw without knocking someone out. It's rare that there's like 1 or 2 punches total and someone is knocked out.
For professional boxer yes, it's far harder to put a pro on his ass then some average joe on the street. Boxers condition their body for fight in mind, everything about there body, from their feet to their neck all serves a purpose. To withstand punishment form another competitor. If you take a pro boxer or even a seasoned boxing gym vet he has the power and training to know exactly where to hit someone on the chin to put them down in one shot. That's a bad comparison, Boxers are not ordinary people and random bar street fighters.
@@teller121 A boxer would DESTROY the 'average bar fighter'. A boxer can swing full force against another boxer, because that guy is also trained to avoid his blows, roll with them, and minimize damage. A boxer starts swinging like that against some dude in a bar, they can't defend themselves and will be knocked out in a hurry if nobody stops it.
“You go into a room, where there’s unarmed people in there, you can’t just start shooting” This sounds so obvious, but is absolute gold. I did laugh though.
having been in law enforcement and having read the ER report of Rodney King, I can tell you that the policy at LAPD at the time was to direct the baton blows, at first, to the meatier parts of the body (and King weighed 310). If you watch the methodical delivery of the blows, they were aiming for butt, lats, calves. After a minute or so of non-compliance to prone out so he could be safely handcuffed, you see the blows move closer to the joints; at which point, he finally complies. The video shows 81 blows struck home with a baton that, if desired, can crack a man's skull in one blow. Yet the ER report shows injury limited to contusions and ONE hairline fracture, and a next morning discharge. So, as sinister as it all looked, it was in keeping with LAPD policy to subdue uncooperative persons with least possible force. The problem with four avg cops (all wearing firearms) closing with King and forcing him into the cuffs is that you bring a firearm TO KING, thereby creating scenario where you might have to kill him if he even goes for the pistol or is perceived to be going for pistol. By maintaining distance, at least that terrible scenario can't happen. The only thing that went wrong in the whole affair was the camera showing a naive public the skin deep of what happened. As a footnote, when King finally decided to end his 115 mph chase across L.A., endangering who knows how many people, he was confronted by a female CHIP. She drew down on him, as the moron approached her from his car, ignoring her commands (duh), with a .357 magnum revolver. As King drew closer, Stacy Koon and the boys arrived and got her to holster up, thereby saving dufus felon from getting capped. King, ironically, owed his wretched existence and the enjoyment of pissing away his $3,000,000 to then soon-to-be (thanks to GW Bush) convict (!!!), Stacy Koon. It's almost like that event and then OJ set off something in the country where it was revealed that a huge portion of our countrymen...aren't very smart and are so biased that it wouldn't matter if they were. The lies surrounding all of that back then carried into the whole late '90s thing with Billary; the nuttiness of nation building forever in places where people don't want us (I was fine with initial strikes and even bagging Hussein and wrecking his often used army)...but winning hearts and minds in Anbar...so stupid, esp as years and 1000s of casualties and hundred of billions of dollars and natl morale with another "losing war" dragged on by interminably.
No doubt. I love Joe Rogan too but Jocko teaches people how to be better people. The way he breaks things down and gives you all the variables and possible outcomes to different problems and then lays down various solutions. It really puts things in perspective.
My first MA instructor had studied in Oki with the schools grand master. Said that he once told him "If i knew then, what i know now i would have never thrown a punch in my life".
Timothy Hwong I’ve seen the full footage. He was saying he couldn’t breathe as soon as the cops got there, way before anyone restrained him. He was verbally resisting them straight off and saying not to kill him. He was high as a kite. As to him being on the ground, he actually put himself on the ground when he crawled through the cop car from what I remember.
Iam not American,never been in army,iam against weapons but i love to hear this guy and learn many lessons from him and his knowlodge and for that thank you.
from a layman's perspective, it seems Jodu and BJJ would be a very good combination. Jodu to put opponents on the ground, and BJJ to make them submit. Add to that some sort of strike defense, and it seems like a well-rounded defense technique.
2 years late, but 100% agree. A solid ground game and any type of an even intermediate striking game will make you formidable. The key is having a defense for striking, if you can dodge haymakers and deliver/get them on the ground, you are almost unbearable to a person without weapons or without a massive weight difference
@Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus i dunno... kinda fucked either way. and tazers are also taken away... maybe use some strict language like the bobbies do in England? lol
@@superdupermax Well, they could eliminate 90% of the violence by ending drug prohibition, and another 5% by ending victimless traffic ticketing, and another 1% by ending gun prohibition, and another 1% by ending preemptive regulation, etc. and, with the remaining 3% being mostly "domestic violence disputes" and "drunken altercations" they could follow Willink's advice and only hire people capable of Jiu Jitsu submissions. And, as long as I'm dreaming, I could say I think the prior is likely to happen. In reality, the cops are going to continue acting as the enemy of the U.S. Constitution and right-thinking people, and the American public is going to continue cheering them on until they themselves are the only victims left for the American police state.
@@callofdutygoodtimes2546 Thanks, mate! Now that I've been "unpersoned" by social media because I refuse to join the _actually_ _racist_ Biden+prohibition squad, these little droplets of dopamine sure are entertaining! Wheee! Maybe I should just pretend to be a bigoted simpleton so I can get along with everyone I'm surrounded by. Of course, that'd mean obstructing my airway, and I'm not too keen on that.
I'm not military. My only real experience was during my high-school years. Jiu-Jitsu was a game changer for me. How? Instead of kicking and punching in a fight lasting for 15 - 20 minutes; I could quickly end the fight a minute or two after it started; with Jiu-Jitsu. I'm not military, however, I totally agree with Jocko. He's right.
I think the best part of that whole conversation was "Be a good guy... be the good guy with the power"... You can feel and see the emotion and frustration in Echo's body language and voice when you talk about law enforcement and the training we have available to us if we want it. We gotta stop with the.. "if they aint payin I aint trainin". Put yourself out there.. get rolled, get in the gym, get on the range and give a shit. All of us have an obligation to do our best to control the situation. Some times it doesn't go how we planned but put forth the effort, training and mind set to do the best we can for the people we care for.. Above all else come home..
I never understood this striking vs grappling talk, both are forms of distance control with clear advantages and disadvantages. In my opinion grappling is superior against single opponent while striking deals much better with multiple attackers. With that being said, I do think that policemen should learn Jiu-Jitsu because it reduces damage on both ends - you can break your own bones when hitting somebody, boxer's fracture is a thing. Also grappling is way more effective against stronger opponents. I train in Muay Thai and with all honesty, I am not sure I can beat an untrained man twice my size even though I am technically superior when it comes to striking. I also think it has something to do with our primitive side. Primates are grappling when fighting for dominance while on other hand they beat each other to death when fighting for territory. Maybe we are wired to submit when overpowered?
@2cent Warrior So you would say that wrestling would yield good results in an uncontrolled environment? I ask because I boxed in high school, but many times I got overpowered by somebody's grapple in a real fight. I was always skinny. Listen, I really do this thing as a last resort, I don't want to be a street fighter or something. But I've been thinking of going into BJJ or wrestling, because I need the fitness, conditioning and I do not want to destroy my limbs while doing it- I mean, boxing is too unpredictable where your fist lands and you can say goodbye after that little stunt. Jocko also brings a good point about non-lethal violence here, so I am quite impressed. I am explosive however. I am nimble and quick. Although I've lost a bit of fighting conditioning. Would it be beneficial to train wrestling and additionaly going to the gym for muscle mass?
Police Deputy here: You are absolutely correct that striking does not do well when it comes to controlling a subject. I've had drug users, combative diabetics and seizure patients that would not respond even to pain compliance. Without my ability to take them down and control their head, torso, and limbs into handcuffs, SO MANY situations I've been in would have been made so much worse. When you injure or cut someone (even justifiably) you are opened up to law suits, public outrage, potential supervisory discipline, and not to mention taking the time to have them seen at the hospital... I would also add that most police forces do allow chokeholds but it is considered lethal force, so you can only choke if you would be justified in shooting, despite the fact that a trained person knows when to release the choke. I would say the primary advantage striking has, would be in a multiple combatant situation.
@Brooks Lee lol when i say combative I mean punching, kicking, biting, and grabbing for weapons. When I say pain compliance I mean wrist locks, shoulder locks, and pressure points.
As a police officer and bjj practitioner, I always found it odd how I can blow someone’s shoulder out with a kimora but I can’t use a RNC to give someone a short nap and go from there with no injuries.
At my jiu jitsu gym there is ONE cop that trains with us, and according to him he doesn't know any other cop that trains jiu jitsu which I think is insane. For real it should be a requirement for police officers of any kind
When I went through Corrections Officer Academy, it was explained to us that the reason the choke hold was banned is because there were instances of tracheas being crushed. I do agree, whole heartedly, that better training, more consistent training needs to be implemented.
Watching this guy talk is really engaging and entertaining. He's got so much to say and he says it all very well. Not to mention it's an interesting subject.
Fantastic reality check for ALL of us who have NEVER been in that situation, and only ever "armchair" critique after the fact. Thank you sir for clearly explaining the reality.
I've practiced Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Kempo and Boxing. I also served as a Defensive Tactics Instructor for my PD. I remember a time when myself and another DT instructor had to wrestle a gun out of someones hands and it wasn't any one discipline that helped keep us alive. I used every strike/lock I had in my toolbox but nothing worked like I practiced. You have to be ready to fight PERIOD because nothing happens on the street the same way as a controlled environment. Teach cops Jiu Jistu and it won't do a damn thing because the problem with Law Enforcement is that the majority of cops have the mentality to use a tool/weapon first. Compounded by the fact that most agencies are telling police officers the best way to avoid getting sued (and out of trouble) is by keeping your hands off people. This is probably the same reason I was only given 4 hours a year to train my officers while we went to the pistol range once a month.. Today cops are encouraged to use a tool because that's why you have them...but what happens when they can't use that tool and are afraid of getting sued? They become reactive, exhaust their sympathetic nervous system, and are paralyzed by fear...We have to train like we fight and stop giving cops so many tools because the answer is usually not on your duty belt.
I'm sure not doing real training keeps the required skill and training money to produce and maintain officers much lower. Many things in life come down to money.
Great point made by Jocko, it's all about intention, in this case getting control in the most effective (least traumatic) way possible. The best answer I think he could have given
Every art is effective in a fight in its own way, it’s about the practitioner and what works for you as a person. I train FMA/Kali and it’s a knife-based art that has proven effective for hundreds of years in warfare in the Philippines. Jiu-Jitsu I also have trained in and that’s ALSO effective. I think it depends more on the practitioner and how they can adapt their art to a certain situation.
It's true, I from México, Campeche, I survived to 3 people trying to kill me in 2016, they used knifes. I just saved my life pushing eyes, broke noses, and turn the neck of one. I have alot scars. I train taekwondo to defensely way, no competitively, for years. just to scape fast in case of danger. But that saved my life, my body just react, not my brain, my body saved my life. I fought for 20min for my life. Discipline saved my life.
You know what makes jocko truly scary? Not just that he’s a physical specimen, but my man has a college education too. This is a legitimately intelligent guy, jocko’s no grunt
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III Yeah. It's called natural selection. Idiots don't last long in warzones. They can however reach the very top of academic hierarchy given proper ammount of persistence.
Just watched Rodney King video. Only got through one minute of eight min video. “Choke him to stop him from what he was doing”; didn’t do anything except get beaten. He did lead them on a high speed chase I know but WOW that was brutal.
Rodney king was also high on PCP, a drug that shuts off the pain sensors in your body and gives you super human strength. If I'm not mistaken he was tazed and he just shook it off.
that’s why I don’t get loud with them scared mothafuckas . they’re terrified so much it screws their judgement just like the dust took away King’s judgement. I seen the vid too. plus they’re disrespectful themselves acting like everyone is a loser because they’re not them . they’d loose real bad without badges...really bad .
In the last 19 years I’ve done over 4000 Bail Recoveries. I used my Judo and BJJ in about 40%. I have actually real world sleeper choked about 70 people. It is the most valuable tool in my arsenal.
I've been in fights more times than I remember and I've trained multiple martial arts but the one I always end up using is BJJ, you can end the fight with as little violence as is possible and as little damage to yourself and your opponent as possible. That's what has kept me out of going to jail and having bigger problems with police etc too, it was always very clear that I did the least violent thing I could do to bring an end to whatever was going on. I have done Wing Chun Kung Fu and as part of that you get registered by the government apparently but that's a very violent instrument to use, and the police I've dealt with knew my army background and so on and they told me straight up that they appreciated me using the least violent means at my disposal to end whatever was going on then that needed to be ended. Jocko is absolutely on point with this.
I used to have that problem when I was a younger man. Understanding posturing It gave me more tools to avoid the initiation of the scenario. It's all the vibs you put out that can create the issue. Seems you still do things that attract negative attention. I'd say move away from the area you live in If possible I did And my kids and grandkids love me more from it
Mr. Morningstar you do here in Europe, I also got registered for training Krav Maga. The school has a reporting obligation apparently, and part of it is from my understanding that if you are seriously trained and use your fists in some scenarios it counts legally as a lethal weapon as dumb as that sounds.
Mr. Morningstar and no, I didn't initiate the fights at all, I just didn't back down or take shit from idiots. I'm ex FDF SF and I used to be a lot bigger than I am now. If you don't know that people start fights for the dumbest shit thinkable you must not have spent much time in metal bars, when I was young I spent a lot of time in them, listening to music and talking to friends and picking up freaky chicks to take home and have some fun with.
M Whitelaw I don't go to bars or live remotely close to where any of that happened now, that was like 20 years ago, now I'm getting older and slower and I have a family and so on. My comment was based on my experience when I was 16 to about 28yo or something and I'm over 40 now. But at any rate I don't think it was about where I lived because it happened when I travelled and even after I moved to a different country but at the time I was training almost every day so for me it wasn't a big deal to take down another idiot once a week or few weeks.
If you are using one hand to hold a weapon, and your other hand to “control” your probably going to grab them and shove them or pull them. Gi Jiu Jitsu/ Judo/ sambo will prepare your stength skill and proprioception for that in ways Muay Thai or boxing simply can’t . I’m Muay Thai for life 😂 but I’m not delusional. We have to get out of the style vs style box , UFC should have eradicated that in the 90’s but because of egotism and stubbornness it sticks. Crowd control and restraint ? Grappling arts must be integrated into the training protocol. My 2 cents before I go back to my living room body weight workout . Happy lockdown everyone 😎👌
BoutDatStrenuousLife I’d agree but I’d like him to explain as he knows what he’s talking about to a higher level than me….I’m probably misunderstanding.
Such great information! A lot of my nursing coworkers have started taking Jiu Jitsu as a way to learn how to handle themselves better with combative patients and or family members. I took Jude for a number of years growing up and have always felt that taught me how to handle situations and carry myself as to not appear a victim or timid, but I've definitely been thinking about signing myself and my daughter up for Jiu Jitsu.
I respect Jocko a lot just from watching a few videos of him. Very articulate; compassionate; and nuanced with a sense of reason I don't think you get out of a lot of people. I think we could all learn a lot from what he's saying not even just from a self defense point of view but how we can defend ourselves and allow ourselves to be compassionate.
I’m a naturally thin dude 5’9 been in plenty of fights with dudes 6’2 - 6’3 heavy set, and I’ve never knocked out. Maybe I’m just lucky, but jocko is right knocking a dude out is hard lol.
There is a beautiful flow to jiu jitsu I love. It took me a year to start to learn to take what's given and not really force what I want. Brains over brawns even though I've spent my younger years weight training! Highly recommend gracie jiu jitsu. Alot more self defense oriented
This is for the person that’s considering getting Into a combat sport, if you grow up in an extremely rural area like I do never turn your back on that wrestling academy or club just because there’s no Jiu jitsu school available. Wrestling is an absolutely viable martial art for self defense.
Wrestling is one of the most effective styles of fighting. It's stood the test of time. There's a reason for that. Several years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Boxing, and Krav under me. Wrestlers are some of the most dangerous opponents I've faced. Take a wrestler, teach them boxing/kickboxing, and get 'em familiar with submissions. That's an adversary that would be a handful for most anyone.
Not an expert of anything, but going through basic the philosophy on muzzle strikes we were taught was these are for preventing a guy from grabbing your rifle so you can shoot them, never knock them out or subdue them. We were instructed to use them in a scenario where we got surprised and maybe lost enough control of the rifle to an opponent to shoot it, but had enough control to shatter some ribs and regain positive control of our kill switch.
Nah, BJJ is for jocks. Police should learn actual martial arts, with spiritual and intellectual aspects. Such as Real Jujitsu or Aikido. In Japan, the police use Aikido to subdue criminals. (I know jocks think that Aikido is "ineffective", but I'm a martial artist so I'm not concerned with what jocks think is effective or ineffective.) ruclips.net/video/pv4kZ6-f7hU/видео.html
@@neutrino78x You're incorrect if you think BJJ isn't included within the category of "actual martial arts". It is literally the most effective way to subdue someone who is actively resisting (unlike the man in the video you linked) while inflicting minimal damage. Go watch some John Danaher videos if you ever want to give the jocks a chance.
@@onezerotwofour184 Jujitsu yes. Real Japanese Jujitsu, taught in a "dojo" with a Japanese sensei. Brazilian jujitsu, as presented in a "gym", no. Martial Arts are not taught in "gyms". Real Jujitsu includes striking and does not teach to roll around on the ground for two hours. Here's the real Jujitsu: ruclips.net/video/T4o88Xh0ZEw/видео.html
neutrino78x Suggesting there is a critical difference between learning a martial art in a gym vs a dojo is essentially a pointless discussion, because the only factor which matters is if the method has a decent chance of success within the salient parameters or not. I'm not sure why you linked a video that is essentially a limited form of MMA with minimal focus on grappling and submissions (given the stand ups), when the whole premise of suggesting BJJ is to be able to control someone without inflicting significant damage (which is unavoidable if you rely on striking). There's not much more to say. If you ever want to test your ideas go to a BJJ, or MMA gym/dojo and roll with some people (if COVID is no longer a concern).
Jocko forgot to mention that the first time he got knocked out was because his opponent was a Ford F350 dually with brush guard doing 65.... Second time it was a depleted uranium tank round to the medulla!
America are number one in the Coronavirus stakes right now. 'America number one' is so ridiculous. Every country has up sides and down sides. Personally, I'd take living in a dozen other countries before I'd even consider the USA, due to better quality of life.
@UCju_KLi81bxw4PeX5D0n4mQ Hey that first guy is an idiot America is amazing, but dude... He's clearly not American, so saying he's "Jerking off to Bernie Sanders" probably doesn't even apply to him, and you're just exposing yourself as a right wing ideologue with no ground to even begin a reasonable conversation on.
He’s talking about Craig Hanaumi, bellevue Police Department up here in Washington state. I’m about 40 minutes from him. i’d love to learn jujitsu from him.
I learned this young as a wrestler at parties. Shit would happen, a fight would happen or someone would try something with me (I wasn't very big back then) and any wrestler could tie them in knots and mostly they just give up. Especially the big guys.
yea like you really can control a person with some basic bjj stuff. a few months ago before this corona thing started i sparred with a new guy (took his 2 or 3 class maybe) and we just did some light sparring. at one point i double legged him and went straight to side control and kept him there without doing anything basically just so he gets the feeling of it. keep in mind im a relatively new guy aswell just have a few months on him. i pinned him and blocked his hip and he couldnt push me off if even his life depended on it and after like 10-15 seconds of using all the force he had he realised that aswell. the moment i sparr/roll with higher belts i have that same feeling. its just so weird to know you did everything you could and the other person could still just kill you right now.
Great video and the advice is solid. The problem with the Rodney King incident was that the responding officers continued to wail on him far past the point where he was resisting. If you watch the full video, most of the strikes are administered well past the point where he could have been cuffed by two or more officers using a swarm. And with choke holds, it all comes down to proper training as you were alluding to. Incidents like the Eric Garner case happen when there's a lack of it.
it's pretty hard to pull out a shank when you're getting choked, especially considering that most jiu jitsu chokes tie up an arm or two in their application. i've had ppl pull blades out on me in street fights when i had them on the ground, and as long as i was situationally aware, i was always able to see them reaching in their belt, break something, and get to my feet before they could pull it out. plus, you go out in like 3 seconds if someone has a good choke on you, even if they don't have an arm tied up or whatever. i think bas rutten has a talk on the joe rogan podcast about fucking with someone with a dominant position on you. he said "if i have you in a rear naked choke, and you poke me in the eye, i'm gonna break your neck. then i'm gonna say "ow, motherfucker, my eye hurts."" honestly it's kinda true.
Love the program. Jocko, I first saw your Ted Talk and i was so impressed with your story of extreme ownership and after applying it I am now managing a large engineering group in my company. Also, my children, girl 3 and boy 1, will be learning jujitsu along with my wife and I. Echo, you have some sick pipes dude :)
All law enforcement should have 6 months training at an mma gym . 4 hours per week x 24 weeks . The armed forces should also be pressed to train if they’re not already .
john philip definitely not. 6 months MMA training will teach them how to hurt people more. Consistent BJJ and police simulation scenario training much more appropriate.
Been in law enforcement for 8 years and started training Jiu Jitsu 5 years ago currently a purple belt. Jiu Jitsu has worked for me numerous time in dealing with a combative suspect and it works even the ones hopped up on meth.
Jocko love you brother and Semper Fi. That being said, unless I am with several buddies and there is no other potential of another combatant, I never go to the ground. I have never felt in control of my environment on my knees. Retired with 26 years law enforcement.
My only concern with grappling in real combat situation is that while you are controlling the opponent you are really vulnerable to another attacker while with striking you can deal damages while staying on your feet ready so it's less likely than another man will try a sneaky attack on you and if he still try you are in a way better position to deal with that second attacker.
You ever try fighting multiple people at once? It's really fuckin hard, even in a striking scenario. Your point is valid, but don't think striking is gonna save you if you lose your positioning or give your back to a second assailant
@@themagicman6078 I ended up in the wrong en of an 8 vs 1, I got hurt really bad but was able to fight back given my professional background in kickboxing and muay thai till they gave up and left me, in a bloody mess yes, but still swinging and far from out. Pretty sure I would be dead if I took one them down because the same guys were stomping my already unconscious friend's head just before I arrived on the scene.
I agree striking is inconsistent for stopping people. I think a good educated punch definitely can stop a lot of people, but not everyone. That's where you need the ground game - both are essential to be a well rounded fighter.
Take it a step further. Opening with strikes puts the other person in a position where they have to go hands up, or, they have to close the gap. You are giving them initiative on closing the gap unless your strike is solid gold. Also, like you pointed out, the strike makes you the bad guy that needs to be put down to any bystander, no one else knows the context in terms of police work.
We were taught to muzzle thump in the sternum in the Army. It doesn't knock them out, but knocks the wind out of them, possibly cracks he sternum and crumples them to the ground.
"John is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will... something you know very little about. I once saw him kill three men in a bar... with a pencil, with a fucking pencil." --the movie John Wick www.imdb.com/title/tt2911666/quotes?ref_=tt_ql_trv_4
4:52 Let's ask this question to a trained boxer against the 'average person' (since jujitsu types like to use the 'average person' [whatever that means] mantra).
I practiced Jiu Jitsu several times a week for over 7 years. When folks ask me if I ever had to use this art, I reply, “yes, and it saved my life”.
Of course the first thing most people think of when I give them this answer is me defending myself from a crazed knife wheeling attacker, or something similar. But the truth to this story was something I never imagined.
I was working for a federal government agency, and I was supposed to be part of the group that drove our fancy electric carts out to the gates of our facility in order to pick up a visiting senator.
Our purchasing officer was supposed to drive one of the carts, and I was standing on the pack platform of one of the carts, while the officer was at the wheel. I was busy talking to someone on the ground, not paying attention, and all of a sudden the purchasing officer accidentally hit the power and the cart shot forward, taking me backward with the back of my head 8 feet in the air headed for the concrete road. After doing thousands of falls practicing jiu jitsu, I relaxed, then automatically tucked my chin to my chest, and did a perfect back fall. Everyone was in shock, as they expected my head to look like a smashed watermelon. I jumped up, laughing, brushed myself off and felt like superman. Simple as that. No ninja to fight, or damzel to save, or any other kind of action movie storyline. Just a potentially lethal fall, or at best a traumatic brain injury where for the rest of my life, i would have been rolled in front a window and fed jello through a straw. well worth the 7 years of practice.
Woah dude, that's a awsome story!! Glad to hear you were ok
Lol thats pretty sick man 👊🏻👊🏻
Cool Story Bro
Had a friend in college who found himself in the same situation without the training. Ended with a fractured skull, from being seated on the truck of a car to the ground.
zen pig didn’t expect this. Well played!!
“I’ve been punched in the face many many times, haven’t been knocked out... but twice”
Who tf knocked jocko out? Harambe?
Im pretty sure Iron Man or Thor did.
"All that for a drop of blood." -Jocko
Chuck Norris.
Probably happened during hazing.
That instructor who slapped in that PoW course
@@maverick1685 your probly right
Thank you guys for the great advice. I'm muzzle striking my coworkers for years now and it never resulted in anything productive.
Lol!!!!!
🤣 🤣 🤣
Heel hook 'em!
Switch to butt strike that should do the trick
Well you can't do it with your mouth bro or else they end up just liking it.
I keep saying this and I won’t stop. Police are under trained... that’s why they’re so scared. And a scared man is a dangerous man
100%. I always get accused as being a cop hater for suggesting cops shoot people because they panic because they aren't well trained enough for their stressful job. A lot of cops only range time is range time they go out of their way to get. It isn't training planned by the department.
I guess saying police shouldn't shoot people as often as they do makes you anti-cop these days.
@@DontTouchMePlz I'm just a regular no-body shmuck with a 1911, and out-shoot virtually every cop I've ever seen at the range, not because I'm so good, but because they're just that bad. Not really a dig against them. After all, they're the ones taking the risk, getting out there and trying to make the world better, so I have nothing but respect for them, but the standards are appalling.
Also everyone having guns and possibly using them on you is not a great prospect.
I'd agree, but also there is plenty of factors that can influence this
1 - Lack of training in the academy, as the academy might not be able to afford to give it's students enough rounds and practice time to put bullets down range
2 - Lack of shooting experience prior to policing. Let's be honest, I'm not a fan of people who have never shot a gun before becoming cops, as the academy will never be able to give you enough time in the first place
3 - Most cops have never been in combat situations, and pretty much nothing can prepare you for your first time.
Most cities want their police force to make money. They're reluctant to spend on them beyond what's needed to issue tickets as well as the political liability for their training. If an officer abuses something you went out of your way to give them it looks bad politically. If they abuse standard tools, they're just a bad egg and you get a new one.
My first exposure to Jiu-Jitsu was over thirty years ago. A bunch of us were playing ball and I got a bit heated and went after another dude. Another mutual friend was trying to calm me down but I was having none of it. Unbeknownst to me, this friend had been doing Gracie Jiu-Jitsu for a few years and took me down gently, got my back with hooks in and a seatbelt hold and just whispered in my ear, "Calm down. calm down." "I can do this all day." While I struggled with all my might. I wrestled and played football in HS, had trained in Kenpo Karate and thought myself a pretty decent athlete, etc., and I've NEVER felt so helpless and humbled in all my life. This friend demonstrated the utmost kindness given the situation in subduing me until gained my senses. I've never forgotten that. Jiu-Jitsu is awesome.
The biggest lesson would be to remain calm. Ur emotions got the best of u. He was calm. Thats the biggest reason u failed at escaping
I've used head and arm take downs twice. One time with a buddy of mine that spazzed out and once with a hostile coworker. Same thing I just held them down and talked to them. They struggle for a few seconds and then give up. It was nice to defuse without having to hurt a friend.
“You can be a good guy with the power” Echo nailed that one
Sheepdogs
It makes me feel happy to know that there are great guys who hold massive amounts of power. But ngl it makes me feel slightly insecure knowing that I couldn't do shit if they ever went after me.
@@SASMADBRUV7 The average person has no idea just how far ahead of us these people are in fighting / killing skills. I trained a solid 10 years in Jujitsu and against even the lowest level MMA professional I'd be done for let alone a Navy Seal. No chance. Even in a life-and-death situation adrenaline only lasts so long and I no longer have good cardio. So...
SFAAPK7 lol true that! I’ve been training for 4 years, compete often and still can’t do shit to lots of guys I train with lol Thankfully they’re some of the nicest, most respectful people I’ve ever met and I trust them with my life (literally!)
Damien Holland Best and worst feeling ever when you’ve had a few good rolls one day, think you’re really making progress and then boom get absolutely smoked by someone at that next level lol
I’ve been wanting to start jiu jitsu for a long time, I wasn’t able to afford it. Decided the time is the time. Got a job, started saving money for jits, signed up, days later, quarantine starts 🙃
Just started too then this happened. sad times
LOL sorry guys. I've been doing BJJ on and off for nearly 20 years, and as Jocko and others have pointed out it is truely a transformative expererince. Learning how to fight, how to control someone else, how to escapse someone elses control, etc makes you a much more calm & controlled individual. It greatly reduces the fear, and fear makes people do stupid things. Would also recommend (if you don't already) consider taking a shooting class. Even if you never choose to own a firearm or carry, knowing HOW weaons work or how to handle a found weapon does the same thing. FYI - if BJJ is to pricey (which I get) find a good Judo school. They are normally $20-50/mo. Stay safe and hope we can all get back to training soon.
Learn a trade. Jiujitsu trainers are die hards - they’ll start bartering before they’ll stop rolling! Keep up!
I actually live is San Diego and I was planning on joining the gym Jocko goes to. Fucking virus man.
I was a month into training and felt I was actually getting good but then boop quarantine starts. As a cringey white belt I can proudly say "BJJ saved my life"😆
I feel bad for the poor soul that’s on the business end of jocko jiu jitsu
ex-soul, more than likely
I think Joe Rogan told a story about how one of his friends rolled with Jocko. Long story short, the guy walked away with a accidental broken neck and a permanent tickle in the back of his throat. Now I'm only 99% sure it was Jocko, so don't take my word for it
Username11 I’d be a little more worried about the business end of a bullet.
@doug dimidome heard it on JRE too, jocko accidently broke one of his buddies neck while rolling.
@doug dimidome I was in Jujitsu for a solid 10 years and no one ever had an injury that severe. At the end of every class we'd get into 4 minute grappling matches at 80% intensity, again and again, and the worst that happened was maybe a sprain. Not even a dislocation.I suppose it's possible to accidentally damage your neck if you fall with someone the wrong way but that is the rarest of the rare kind of accident.
Reminds me of that Sun Tzu quote: To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
Sun Tzu had acne
@@Neviksir Until he used ACME Invisible Cream.
Kevin Schneider i dont know if it was to subdue?
Acme = sum
Then it make sense
Does Jocko ever waste a word when explaining something? He speaks like he trains...no wasted time at all! Amazing discipline.
Top tier comment.
This video is going into our Defensive Tactics training for new hires at the Rapid City PD. It's GOOD.
Yeah man
Sturgis can get rowdy
And the locals are a little crazy
Stay safe man
Black Hills BJJ!
Yeah cops need to learn to fight already
thank goodness for the citizens.
IAMTHE WALRUS And conflict de-escalation.When you have the balance of power there is no need to escalate it. Unless you choose to.
Imagine getting a muzzle strike to the face by Jocko 0.0
i got a bruise imagining it
My teeth fellout as soon as he said it
Right!🤣
I think that's called "getting impaled"
Dude, imagine getting muzzle striked by anyone. Even by a child it'd hurt like a bitch
I want to make a Jocko poster with the quote, "The chokehold is a beautifully powerful thing."
I was riding my bike and hit "something" with the front tire. Bike stopped and I went over the front handle bars. Did a twist roll in the air (couldn't really say what) and ending up running forward. No harm. Thr front tire of my bike was bent 90 degrees and unridable. The whole thing happened so fast I have no conscious plan / time to think. But safe.ALSO got jumped on the 4th of July. Was hit in the back of the head /blind sided. Turned around and saw someone running away. Turning back to keep heading towards car, and bam! Hit in back of head again. Turned around, and bam, another hit. So it took me that long to realize I was in a fight / in danger. A circle had formed around me. I keep spinning around, as everyone keep ONLY trying to hit be from behind. I didn't want to go down because didn't want the circle to close and keep stomped. Keep my hands up, chin down, threw a few (mostly fake) jabs and kicks, got my back to a car so they couldn't circle me. My wife came and shooed them off (really). My ears were ringing, I had a horrible head ache, I felt light headed and mildly nauseous. My training didn't allow me to be superman or drop anyone, but it certainly helped me regain control of the situation, not go down, and protect myself. Closes I've come to getting killed / seriously injured. To me it felt like the whole thing took 3-4mins, but per wife it was like 30-40secs total.
@@Vejitasei uhh...why are you telling me? Tell Jocko.
@@Vejitasei I am really glad you were able to use your training and discipline to save yourself in both situations.
Seriously, you were able to stay in control of yourself and win.
"Boxers dont knock eachother out consistently"
Mike Tyson: hold my beer
I think the point was, look at all the punches they throw without knocking someone out. It's rare that there's like 1 or 2 punches total and someone is knocked out.
For professional boxer yes, it's far harder to put a pro on his ass then some average joe on the street. Boxers condition their body for fight in mind, everything about there body, from their feet to their neck all serves a purpose. To withstand punishment form another competitor. If you take a pro boxer or even a seasoned boxing gym vet he has the power and training to know exactly where to hit someone on the chin to put them down in one shot. That's a bad comparison, Boxers are not ordinary people and random bar street fighters.
but boxers would not out better than avg bar fighter who engages you briefly in a fistfight.
@@teller121 A boxer would DESTROY the 'average bar fighter'. A boxer can swing full force against another boxer, because that guy is also trained to avoid his blows, roll with them, and minimize damage.
A boxer starts swinging like that against some dude in a bar, they can't defend themselves and will be knocked out in a hurry if nobody stops it.
Yeah, tyson ain't that good dude. Good try though.,
Great closing statement echo, "be the good guy with the power".
tl;dr: Jocko recommends using jiu-jitsu on people in the office XD
StViers lmao
With people working at home little timmy going to get kimura'd
I fucking loved that.
My Boss: Jay can you pass me that file?
Me: (sneaks up like a ninja behind him)
Verbal Judo! :-0
My office would be a lot more fun if people could use Jitsu there
“You go into a room, where there’s unarmed people in there, you can’t just start shooting”
This sounds so obvious, but is absolute gold. I did laugh though.
Remember no Russian 😂😂😂
Jocko is humble also a teacher but his ego is in check! I respects that. I learn so much lots of gems. Inner strength.
having been in law enforcement and having read the ER report of Rodney King, I can tell you that the policy at LAPD at the time was to direct the baton blows, at first, to the meatier parts of the body (and King weighed 310). If you watch the methodical delivery of the blows, they were aiming for butt, lats, calves. After a minute or so of non-compliance to prone out so he could be safely handcuffed, you see the blows move closer to the joints; at which point, he finally complies. The video shows 81 blows struck home with a baton that, if desired, can crack a man's skull in one blow. Yet the ER report shows injury limited to contusions and ONE hairline fracture, and a next morning discharge.
So, as sinister as it all looked, it was in keeping with LAPD policy to subdue uncooperative persons with least possible force. The problem with four avg cops (all wearing firearms) closing with King and forcing him into the cuffs is that you bring a firearm TO KING, thereby creating scenario where you might have to kill him if he even goes for the pistol or is perceived to be going for pistol. By maintaining distance, at least that terrible scenario can't happen. The only thing that went wrong in the whole affair was the camera showing a naive public the skin deep of what happened.
As a footnote, when King finally decided to end his 115 mph chase across L.A., endangering who knows how many people, he was confronted by a female CHIP. She drew down on him, as the moron approached her from his car, ignoring her commands (duh), with a .357 magnum revolver. As King drew closer, Stacy Koon and the boys arrived and got her to holster up, thereby saving dufus felon from getting capped. King, ironically, owed his wretched existence and the enjoyment of pissing away his $3,000,000 to then soon-to-be (thanks to GW Bush) convict (!!!), Stacy Koon.
It's almost like that event and then OJ set off something in the country where it was revealed that a huge portion of our countrymen...aren't very smart and are so biased that it wouldn't matter if they were. The lies surrounding all of that back then carried into the whole late '90s thing with Billary; the nuttiness of nation building forever in places where people don't want us (I was fine with initial strikes and even bagging Hussein and wrecking his often used army)...but winning hearts and minds in Anbar...so stupid, esp as years and 1000s of casualties and hundred of billions of dollars and natl morale with another "losing war" dragged on by interminably.
This is the greatest podcast ever.
No doubt. I love Joe Rogan too but Jocko teaches people how to be better people. The way he breaks things down and gives you all the variables and possible outcomes to different problems and then lays down various solutions. It really puts things in perspective.
My first MA instructor had studied in Oki with the schools grand master. Said that he once told him "If i knew then, what i know now i would have never thrown a punch in my life".
more jits talk and everyday application benefits! (mindset, etc)...
MrDicedToTheSocks needs more advertising to be honest. Tried finding it through Jocko Podcast episodes and google and nothing came up for a while.
05:00 "someone choked someone in the 70s and killed them, then they banned chokeholds"
2020 here we go
But, he Couldn't Breathe
Positional asphyxia, look it up. Police/military have been aware of this for more than a decade.
Timothy Hwong I’ve seen the full footage. He was saying he couldn’t breathe as soon as the cops got there, way before anyone restrained him. He was verbally resisting them straight off and saying not to kill him. He was high as a kite. As to him being on the ground, he actually put himself on the ground when he crawled through the cop car from what I remember.
RIP George Floyd >.< >.
Bad cops ruin a good restraint technique, then all we are left with is brutality.
Iam not American,never been in army,iam against weapons but i love to hear this guy and learn many lessons from him and his knowlodge and for that thank you.
from a layman's perspective, it seems Jodu and BJJ would be a very good combination. Jodu to put opponents on the ground, and BJJ to make them submit. Add to that some sort of strike defense, and it seems like a well-rounded defense technique.
2 years late, but 100% agree. A solid ground game and any type of an even intermediate striking game will make you formidable. The key is having a defense for striking, if you can dodge haymakers and deliver/get them on the ground, you are almost unbearable to a person without weapons or without a massive weight difference
“Everybody prefers a muzzle strike until they get punched in the face by Mike Tyson”- Jocko
Jocko is an amazing person we need him and more people like him
Amen 🙏✝️💚🇺🇸🤩😇
The Confidence enables you to be a good guy. Most important reason to train and get everybody out there to train.
Jocko's left hand is the unmovable object, his right hand is the unstoppable force.
Jesus Christ this is the first time I’m watching a video of Echo and I can’t believe that voice comes out of his body.
"striking doesnt work"
All the police departments: "i will pretend i never heard this"
Funny, sad and true.
@Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus i dunno... kinda fucked either way. and tazers are also taken away... maybe use some strict language like the bobbies do in England? lol
@@superdupermax Well, they could eliminate 90% of the violence by ending drug prohibition, and another 5% by ending victimless traffic ticketing, and another 1% by ending gun prohibition, and another 1% by ending preemptive regulation, etc. and, with the remaining 3% being mostly "domestic violence disputes" and "drunken altercations" they could follow Willink's advice and only hire people capable of Jiu Jitsu submissions. And, as long as I'm dreaming, I could say I think the prior is likely to happen. In reality, the cops are going to continue acting as the enemy of the U.S. Constitution and right-thinking people, and the American public is going to continue cheering them on until they themselves are the only victims left for the American police state.
@@JakeWitmer beautifully said...
@@callofdutygoodtimes2546 Thanks, mate! Now that I've been "unpersoned" by social media because I refuse to join the _actually_ _racist_ Biden+prohibition squad, these little droplets of dopamine sure are entertaining! Wheee! Maybe I should just pretend to be a bigoted simpleton so I can get along with everyone I'm surrounded by. Of course, that'd mean obstructing my airway, and I'm not too keen on that.
I'm not military. My only real experience was during
my high-school years. Jiu-Jitsu was a game changer
for me. How? Instead of kicking and punching in a fight lasting
for 15 - 20 minutes; I could quickly end the fight a minute or two
after it started; with Jiu-Jitsu.
I'm not military, however, I totally agree with Jocko. He's right.
I've been knocked out twice from very tight hook shots, which is very difficult to shake off if administered correctly.
Scotty N GGG said to say hi
Me: shit i never been knocmed out
Also Me: run from every fight like a little bitxh
@Yazamuto jiu jitsu won't be wise vs street thug(s) tho.. you'll be getting jumped..
@@IamLEGENDkb24 Then neither is striking, because you'll be getting jumped.
I think the best part of that whole conversation was "Be a good guy... be the good guy with the power"... You can feel and see the emotion and frustration in Echo's body language and voice when you talk about law enforcement and the training we have available to us if we want it. We gotta stop with the.. "if they aint payin I aint trainin". Put yourself out there.. get rolled, get in the gym, get on the range and give a shit. All of us have an obligation to do our best to control the situation. Some times it doesn't go how we planned but put forth the effort, training and mind set to do the best we can for the people we care for.. Above all else come home..
I never understood this striking vs grappling talk, both are forms of distance control with clear advantages and disadvantages. In my opinion grappling is superior against single opponent while striking deals much better with multiple attackers.
With that being said, I do think that policemen should learn Jiu-Jitsu because it reduces damage on both ends - you can break your own bones when hitting somebody, boxer's fracture is a thing. Also grappling is way more effective against stronger opponents. I train in Muay Thai and with all honesty, I am not sure I can beat an untrained man twice my size even though I am technically superior when it comes to striking.
I also think it has something to do with our primitive side. Primates are grappling when fighting for dominance while on other hand they beat each other to death when fighting for territory. Maybe we are wired to submit when overpowered?
Know both and use according.
Striking is best for keeping people at Bay. Of course if any of your multiple opponents are grapplers, then ya know
the question wasn't striking vs grappling....
@2cent Warrior no one is talking to you actually.
@2cent Warrior So you would say that wrestling would yield good results in an uncontrolled environment?
I ask because I boxed in high school, but many times I got overpowered by somebody's grapple in a real fight. I was always skinny.
Listen, I really do this thing as a last resort, I don't want to be a street fighter or something.
But I've been thinking of going into BJJ or wrestling, because I need the fitness, conditioning and I do not want to destroy my limbs while doing it- I mean, boxing is too unpredictable where your fist lands and you can say goodbye after that little stunt.
Jocko also brings a good point about non-lethal violence here, so I am quite impressed.
I am explosive however. I am nimble and quick. Although I've lost a bit of fighting conditioning.
Would it be beneficial to train wrestling and additionaly going to the gym for muscle mass?
Police Deputy here: You are absolutely correct that striking does not do well when it comes to controlling a subject. I've had drug users, combative diabetics and seizure patients that would not respond even to pain compliance. Without my ability to take them down and control their head, torso, and limbs into handcuffs, SO MANY situations I've been in would have been made so much worse. When you injure or cut someone (even justifiably) you are opened up to law suits, public outrage, potential supervisory discipline, and not to mention taking the time to have them seen at the hospital... I would also add that most police forces do allow chokeholds but it is considered lethal force, so you can only choke if you would be justified in shooting, despite the fact that a trained person knows when to release the choke. I would say the primary advantage striking has, would be in a multiple combatant situation.
@Brooks Lee lol when i say combative I mean punching, kicking, biting, and grabbing for weapons. When I say pain compliance I mean wrist locks, shoulder locks, and pressure points.
As a police officer and bjj practitioner, I always found it odd how I can blow someone’s shoulder out with a kimora but I can’t use a RNC to give someone a short nap and go from there with no injuries.
At my jiu jitsu gym there is ONE cop that trains with us, and according to him he doesn't know any other cop that trains jiu jitsu which I think is insane. For real it should be a requirement for police officers of any kind
Talk to the cop. Rules. So many rules. They will explain this to you.
When I went through Corrections Officer Academy, it was explained to us that the reason the choke hold was banned is because there were instances of tracheas being crushed. I do agree, whole heartedly, that better training, more consistent training needs to be implemented.
"Be a good guy, good guy with the power" - whispered by Echo
Watching this guy talk is really engaging and entertaining. He's got so much to say and he says it all very well. Not to mention it's an interesting subject.
Fantastic reality check for ALL of us who have NEVER been in that situation, and only ever "armchair" critique after the fact. Thank you sir for clearly explaining the reality.
I've practiced Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Kempo and Boxing. I also served as a Defensive Tactics Instructor for my PD. I remember a time when myself and another DT instructor had to wrestle a gun out of someones hands and it wasn't any one discipline that helped keep us alive. I used every strike/lock I had in my toolbox but nothing worked like I practiced. You have to be ready to fight PERIOD because nothing happens on the street the same way as a controlled environment. Teach cops Jiu Jistu and it won't do a damn thing because the problem with Law Enforcement is that the majority of cops have the mentality to use a tool/weapon first. Compounded by the fact that most agencies are telling police officers the best way to avoid getting sued (and out of trouble) is by keeping your hands off people. This is probably the same reason I was only given 4 hours a year to train my officers while we went to the pistol range once a month.. Today cops are encouraged to use a tool because that's why you have them...but what happens when they can't use that tool and are afraid of getting sued? They become reactive, exhaust their sympathetic nervous system, and are paralyzed by fear...We have to train like we fight and stop giving cops so many tools because the answer is usually not on your duty belt.
I'm sure not doing real training keeps the required skill and training money to produce and maintain officers much lower. Many things in life come down to money.
Great point made by Jocko, it's all about intention, in this case getting control in the most effective (least traumatic) way possible. The best answer I think he could have given
Every art is effective in a fight in its own way, it’s about the practitioner and what works for you as a person. I train FMA/Kali and it’s a knife-based art that has proven effective for hundreds of years in warfare in the Philippines. Jiu-Jitsu I also have trained in and that’s ALSO effective. I think it depends more on the practitioner and how they can adapt their art to a certain situation.
MattWagnerMovies Preach it!!!
It's true, I from México, Campeche, I survived to 3 people trying to kill me in 2016, they used knifes. I just saved my life pushing eyes, broke noses, and turn the neck of one. I have alot scars. I train taekwondo to defensely way, no competitively, for years. just to scape fast in case of danger. But that saved my life, my body just react, not my brain, my body saved my life. I fought for 20min for my life.
Discipline saved my life.
Dam bro stay safe
You know what makes jocko truly scary? Not just that he’s a physical specimen, but my man has a college education too. This is a legitimately intelligent guy, jocko’s no grunt
F.y.i. grunts aren't stupid... I'm sick of this shit..
You can't be stupid and live through combat. It's diametrically opposed statement.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III Yeah. It's called natural selection. Idiots don't last long in warzones.
They can however reach the very top of academic hierarchy given proper ammount of persistence.
Just watched Rodney King video. Only got through one minute of eight min video. “Choke him to stop him from what he was doing”; didn’t do anything except get beaten. He did lead them on a high speed chase I know but WOW that was brutal.
Rodney king was also high on PCP, a drug that shuts off the pain sensors in your body and gives you super human strength. If I'm not mistaken he was tazed and he just shook it off.
that’s why I don’t get loud with them scared mothafuckas . they’re terrified so much it screws their judgement just like the dust took away King’s judgement. I seen the vid too. plus they’re disrespectful themselves acting like everyone is a loser because they’re not them . they’d loose real bad without badges...really bad .
In the last 19 years I’ve done over 4000 Bail Recoveries. I used my Judo and BJJ in about 40%. I have actually real world sleeper choked about 70 people. It is the most valuable tool in my arsenal.
Cutting off someone's air supply is always effective.
@@KWillo Blood supply not air supply. You don't put a chokehold on someone to cut off the air supply. You stop blood flow to the brain.
@@TheCanadianViper you limit the blood flow. not stop it
@@TheCanadianViper the blood carries oxygen to the brain, so he's technically right
@@boricua2197 there's a difference between oxygen and air, so he's technically wrong.
I've been in fights more times than I remember and I've trained multiple martial arts but the one I always end up using is BJJ, you can end the fight with as little violence as is possible and as little damage to yourself and your opponent as possible. That's what has kept me out of going to jail and having bigger problems with police etc too, it was always very clear that I did the least violent thing I could do to bring an end to whatever was going on. I have done Wing Chun Kung Fu and as part of that you get registered by the government apparently but that's a very violent instrument to use, and the police I've dealt with knew my army background and so on and they told me straight up that they appreciated me using the least violent means at my disposal to end whatever was going on then that needed to be ended.
Jocko is absolutely on point with this.
noth606 this story is more fake than Kim Kardashians ass. Sorry bud try again
I used to have that problem when I was a younger man.
Understanding posturing
It gave me more tools to avoid the initiation of the scenario.
It's all the vibs you put out that can create the issue.
Seems you still do things that attract negative attention.
I'd say move away from the area you live in
If possible
I did
And my kids and grandkids love me more from it
Mr. Morningstar you do here in Europe, I also got registered for training Krav Maga. The school has a reporting obligation apparently, and part of it is from my understanding that if you are seriously trained and use your fists in some scenarios it counts legally as a lethal weapon as dumb as that sounds.
Mr. Morningstar and no, I didn't initiate the fights at all, I just didn't back down or take shit from idiots. I'm ex FDF SF and I used to be a lot bigger than I am now. If you don't know that people start fights for the dumbest shit thinkable you must not have spent much time in metal bars, when I was young I spent a lot of time in them, listening to music and talking to friends and picking up freaky chicks to take home and have some fun with.
M Whitelaw I don't go to bars or live remotely close to where any of that happened now, that was like 20 years ago, now I'm getting older and slower and I have a family and so on. My comment was based on my experience when I was 16 to about 28yo or something and I'm over 40 now. But at any rate I don't think it was about where I lived because it happened when I travelled and even after I moved to a different country but at the time I was training almost every day so for me it wasn't a big deal to take down another idiot once a week or few weeks.
Thank you for your service Jocko. We all sleep better knowing you are looking out for us. God Bless!
If you are using one hand to hold a weapon, and your other hand to “control” your probably going to grab them and shove them or pull them. Gi Jiu Jitsu/ Judo/ sambo will prepare your stength skill and proprioception for that in ways Muay Thai or boxing simply can’t .
I’m Muay Thai for life 😂 but I’m not delusional. We have to get out of the style vs style box , UFC should have eradicated that in the 90’s but because of egotism and stubbornness it sticks.
Crowd control and restraint ? Grappling arts must be integrated into the training protocol.
My 2 cents before I go back to my living room body weight workout . Happy lockdown everyone 😎👌
Crowd control? Nah you do not want to grapple. But holds and takedowns in 1 vs 1 confrontations yea I agree
Hey there Richard! Love you man! You’re awesome!
BoutDatStrenuousLife I’d agree but I’d like him to explain as he knows what he’s talking about to a higher level than me….I’m probably misunderstanding.
I'm left handed but shot right handed so I'm good because I got claws like Hellboy
Such great information! A lot of my nursing coworkers have started taking Jiu Jitsu as a way to learn how to handle themselves better with combative patients and or family members. I took Jude for a number of years growing up and have always felt that taught me how to handle situations and carry myself as to not appear a victim or timid, but I've definitely been thinking about signing myself and my daughter up for Jiu Jitsu.
Strength is a gift...don’t abuse it. Harness the hand to hand skill set and elevate when necessary. Good word Gents. 👊🏽.
next time I have a disagreement at the office, a fool's gonna get a choke hold 💪🏼💪🏼😂😂
I respect Jocko a lot just from watching a few videos of him. Very articulate; compassionate; and nuanced with a sense of reason I don't think you get out of a lot of people. I think we could all learn a lot from what he's saying not even just from a self defense point of view but how we can defend ourselves and allow ourselves to be compassionate.
What Jocko didn’t say is that The two people that knocked him out were Infinity Gauntlet Thanos and Super Sayan Blue Gogeta.
I’m a naturally thin dude 5’9 been in plenty of fights with dudes 6’2 - 6’3 heavy set, and I’ve never knocked out. Maybe I’m just lucky, but jocko is right knocking a dude out is hard lol.
I'm not so sure not choking someone was the issue with Rodney King...
There is a beautiful flow to jiu jitsu I love. It took me a year to start to learn to take what's given and not really force what I want. Brains over brawns even though I've spent my younger years weight training! Highly recommend gracie jiu jitsu. Alot more self defense oriented
This is for the person that’s considering getting Into a combat sport, if you grow up in an extremely rural area like I do never turn your back on that wrestling academy or club just because there’s no Jiu jitsu school available. Wrestling is an absolutely viable martial art for self defense.
Wrestling is one of the most effective styles of fighting. It's stood the test of time. There's a reason for that.
Several years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Boxing, and Krav under me. Wrestlers are some of the most dangerous opponents I've faced.
Take a wrestler, teach them boxing/kickboxing, and get 'em familiar with submissions. That's an adversary that would be a handful for most anyone.
Not an expert of anything, but going through basic the philosophy on muzzle strikes we were taught was these are for preventing a guy from grabbing your rifle so you can shoot them, never knock them out or subdue them. We were instructed to use them in a scenario where we got surprised and maybe lost enough control of the rifle to an opponent to shoot it, but had enough control to shatter some ribs and regain positive control of our kill switch.
Officer Koon said the same thing about the choke hold. When they had to stop using it, the option is to whack and keep distance.
great book... is verbal judo (builds on to what Jocko is saying at 9:25)
Being a BJJ blue belt should be a minimum requirement for the police.
Nah, BJJ is for jocks. Police should learn actual martial arts, with spiritual and intellectual aspects. Such as Real Jujitsu or Aikido.
In Japan, the police use Aikido to subdue criminals. (I know jocks think that Aikido is "ineffective", but I'm a martial artist so I'm not concerned with what jocks think is effective or ineffective.)
ruclips.net/video/pv4kZ6-f7hU/видео.html
@@neutrino78x You're incorrect if you think BJJ isn't included within the category of "actual martial arts". It is literally the most effective way to subdue someone who is actively resisting (unlike the man in the video you linked) while inflicting minimal damage. Go watch some John Danaher videos if you ever want to give the jocks a chance.
neutrino78x Calm down, Steven Seagal.
@@onezerotwofour184 Jujitsu yes. Real Japanese Jujitsu, taught in a "dojo" with a Japanese sensei. Brazilian jujitsu, as presented in a "gym", no. Martial Arts are not taught in "gyms".
Real Jujitsu includes striking and does not teach to roll around on the ground for two hours.
Here's the real Jujitsu:
ruclips.net/video/T4o88Xh0ZEw/видео.html
neutrino78x
Suggesting there is a critical difference between learning a martial art in a gym vs a dojo is essentially a pointless discussion, because the only factor which matters is if the method has a decent chance of success within the salient parameters or not.
I'm not sure why you linked a video that is essentially a limited form of MMA with minimal focus on grappling and submissions (given the stand ups), when the whole premise of suggesting BJJ is to be able to control someone without inflicting significant damage (which is unavoidable if you rely on striking).
There's not much more to say. If you ever want to test your ideas go to a BJJ, or MMA gym/dojo and roll with some people (if COVID is no longer a concern).
I've been a LEO for over 20 yrs and an Army Retiree, and thanks to BJJ I'm still Alive!!!!
There’s was this guy who would knock out any drunks that were causing a seen, and they he’d take them home. Always did it with one punch too. Good guy
Reminds me of what Dan Inasanto said about having lots of different skills or to available for various situations and ranges. (Apologies for the typo)
Jocko forgot to mention that the first time he got knocked out was because his opponent was a Ford F350 dually with brush guard doing 65.... Second time it was a depleted uranium tank round to the medulla!
I love this man's mentality... a damn solid dude
Time to get after it, at 3:10 am right when this was posted lol
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Just getting to mount is so powerful and maintaining position without any submission or strikes
Jocko has seen 100s of muzzle strikes in the wild.... America Number One!
America are number one in the Coronavirus stakes right now.
'America number one' is so ridiculous. Every country has up sides and down sides. Personally, I'd take living in a dozen other countries before I'd even consider the USA, due to better quality of life.
CJM He was being sarcastic
@UCju_KLi81bxw4PeX5D0n4mQ
Hey that first guy is an idiot America is amazing, but dude... He's clearly not American, so saying he's "Jerking off to Bernie Sanders" probably doesn't even apply to him, and you're just exposing yourself as a right wing ideologue with no ground to even begin a reasonable conversation on.
CJM if u want better quality of life boy you are going to love third world countries
@@cjmarren86 if youre in Europe, an entire population of one of those countries is vastly passed even by some states. Id rather look at percentages
He’s talking about Craig Hanaumi, bellevue Police Department up here in Washington state. I’m about 40 minutes from him. i’d love to learn jujitsu from him.
After watching the Punisher all I can see is Frank and Curtis
I learned this young as a wrestler at parties. Shit would happen, a fight would happen or someone would try something with me (I wasn't very big back then) and any wrestler could tie them in knots and mostly they just give up. Especially the big guys.
yea like you really can control a person with some basic bjj stuff. a few months ago before this corona thing started i sparred with a new guy (took his 2 or 3 class maybe) and we just did some light sparring. at one point i double legged him and went straight to side control and kept him there without doing anything basically just so he gets the feeling of it. keep in mind im a relatively new guy aswell just have a few months on him.
i pinned him and blocked his hip and he couldnt push me off if even his life depended on it and after like 10-15 seconds of using all the force he had he realised that aswell. the moment i sparr/roll with higher belts i have that same feeling.
its just so weird to know you did everything you could and the other person could still just kill you right now.
Great video and the advice is solid.
The problem with the Rodney King incident was that the responding officers continued to wail on him far past the point where he was resisting. If you watch the full video, most of the strikes are administered well past the point where he could have been cuffed by two or more officers using a swarm.
And with choke holds, it all comes down to proper training as you were alluding to. Incidents like the Eric Garner case happen when there's a lack of it.
The biggest danger with grappling in these situations is the very real possibility of getting shanked.
it's pretty hard to pull out a shank when you're getting choked, especially considering that most jiu jitsu chokes tie up an arm or two in their application. i've had ppl pull blades out on me in street fights when i had them on the ground, and as long as i was situationally aware, i was always able to see them reaching in their belt, break something, and get to my feet before they could pull it out. plus, you go out in like 3 seconds if someone has a good choke on you, even if they don't have an arm tied up or whatever.
i think bas rutten has a talk on the joe rogan podcast about fucking with someone with a dominant position on you. he said "if i have you in a rear naked choke, and you poke me in the eye, i'm gonna break your neck. then i'm gonna say "ow, motherfucker, my eye hurts."" honestly it's kinda true.
Love the program. Jocko, I first saw your Ted Talk and i was so impressed with your story of extreme ownership and after applying it I am now managing a large engineering group in my company. Also, my children, girl 3 and boy 1, will be learning jujitsu along with my wife and I. Echo, you have some sick pipes dude :)
All law enforcement should have 6 months training at an mma gym . 4 hours per week x 24 weeks . The armed forces should also be pressed to train if they’re not already .
john philip definitely not. 6 months MMA training will teach them how to hurt people more. Consistent BJJ and police simulation scenario training much more appropriate.
Obviously, you are a civilian.
Been in law enforcement for 8 years and started training Jiu Jitsu 5 years ago currently a purple belt. Jiu Jitsu has worked for me numerous time in dealing with a combative suspect and it works even the ones hopped up on meth.
Jocko love you brother and Semper Fi. That being said, unless I am with several buddies and there is no other potential of another combatant, I never go to the ground. I have never felt in control of my environment on my knees. Retired with 26 years law enforcement.
Time to get after it.
My only concern with grappling in real combat situation is that while you are controlling the opponent you are really vulnerable to another attacker while with striking you can deal damages while staying on your feet ready so it's less likely than another man will try a sneaky attack on you and if he still try you are in a way better position to deal with that second attacker.
You ever try fighting multiple people at once? It's really fuckin hard, even in a striking scenario. Your point is valid, but don't think striking is gonna save you if you lose your positioning or give your back to a second assailant
@@themagicman6078 I ended up in the wrong en of an 8 vs 1, I got hurt really bad but was able to fight back given my professional background in kickboxing and muay thai till they gave up and left me, in a bloody mess yes, but still swinging and far from out. Pretty sure I would be dead if I took one them down because the same guys were stomping my already unconscious friend's head just before I arrived on the scene.
I agree striking is inconsistent for stopping people. I think a good educated punch definitely can stop a lot of people, but not everyone. That's where you need the ground game - both are essential to be a well rounded fighter.
A classic case of “this did or didn’t work, so we are gonna make everyone do it this way”
Take it a step further. Opening with strikes puts the other person in a position where they have to go hands up, or, they have to close the gap. You are giving them initiative on closing the gap unless your strike is solid gold. Also, like you pointed out, the strike makes you the bad guy that needs to be put down to any bystander, no one else knows the context in terms of police work.
Use a Slap Jack.
Use a buttercup... The old fart in the cupped hand trick
Single legs work too , just try not to do it in front of alot people , it might? make them resentiful? Lol
Jocko the wisest Navy SEAL spreading the word special ops Warfare knowledge
Jocko is on the money, perfect analogy👍
To put it bluntly, it's the most effective and consistent non-lethal form of control.
4:45
No Jocko, you're just superhuman. Duh.
We were taught to muzzle thump in the sternum in the Army. It doesn't knock them out, but knocks the wind out of them, possibly cracks he sternum and crumples them to the ground.
Had a buddy that was stabbed by a spoon in Ramadi.
"John is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will... something you know very little about. I once saw him kill three men in a bar... with a pencil, with a fucking pencil."
--the movie John Wick
www.imdb.com/title/tt2911666/quotes?ref_=tt_ql_trv_4
I Know Someone That Got Stabbed With a Spoon In Ireland Just The Other Day 😅
This is a great articulation of the intricacies of the topic!! Solid!!
"police should train chokeholds".. the irony
Yes chokes should be a real option for police. Don't think a knee to the neck is what Jocko is talking about
4:52
Let's ask this question to a trained boxer against the 'average person' (since jujitsu types like to use the 'average person' [whatever that means] mantra).
this channel has really grown. i remember when it had less than 100k subs.
Can confirm. Taken plenty of face shots. 1 knockout. Local Golden Glove.