Here's an even cheaper way and doesn't involve travel: 1. Buy a drone, easily had for $50 or less. 2. Watch the Sun set, or in the case of an Flerfer, disappear. 3. Fly the drone 400' straight up. 4. Watch the Sun set again.
@@derekholm3112 This would not work on their model, bcs in their model the sun will always be above the ground plane thus always being visible, regardless of observer's height.
One thing I’ve learned talking to Flat Earthers and Space is Fakers is that even if you took one up to the ISS, they would still claim it was all fake. No matter how much evidence you give them, talking with them is futile. I’ve moved on and now just enjoy learning as much as I can about Space and Astronomy.
It's hilarious how they will either deny the ISS exists, or claim that it is a giant balloon, but then when it's pointed out that you can see it with the naked eye, and that plenty of astrophotography hobbyists have taken pictures of it, they have no answer to why you can't see the balloon. Flerferism is just "nuh-uh" all the way down.
If you took a flat earther to the ISS (which you would have to drag them to kicking and screaming because most would refuse to go in the first place...) you *might* be able to convince that specific flat earther. However the rest of their cult would immediately reject anything that one said, call them a "shill", etc. You would have to personally take every single one to the ISS...
They are using a 'green screen', they showed it in the huston headquarters, with old president bush in a wheel chair video. Also confirmed by them using 'special effects' to make one of them 'dematerialize', like on star trek, in the 90s.
@@MATTINCALI Really? How much of an expert are you on using green screen and chroma keying technologies? Since you are an expert on these things, explain the videos shot with moving cameras that aren't locked down. By the way, your claims of the ISS interior footage being shot on a green screen has been thoroughly debunked by Dave McKeegan. Thanks.
An EQ mount is a flat earth killer, but I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why they work, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe. There is an easy and cheap test for flat earthers. Precisely at sunset, launch a drone straight up several hundred feet. The camera will sshow the edge of the sun above the horizon. Then return the drone to the ground and watch it disappear. The differences in the timings of the appearances will match the rotatiion rate.
@@QBranchSpace you can't seem to see that the globe earth doesn't hold any water. Water requires containment and it is level, hence the phrase see level. If it was curving, we would call it sea curve. If the earth was curved we would call it ground curve but it's call ground level. Airplanes fly in the air over the plane if we flew around a curve, they'd be call aircurves. The absolute nonsense that you have to believe is insane. 44 government documents (NASA, Military and aeronomics ) all stating a flat, non-rotating earth. Government agencies all use the FE map as their logos, the globe can be found in Hollywood productions. NASA is the faking space division of Disney ❤🙏🇨🇦🍒
The flat earthers just back from TFE to see the 24h Sun in Antarctica still won't admit the Earth isn't flat - although Jeran admitted he was wrong about the 24h Sun on live video he also said it could be that their 'model' requires further work! And of course the armchair keyboard warriors throw out the usual nonsenical explanations such as greenscreen CGI, 2 suns, reflection off the dome ... sigh.
Here's the thing, though. TFE has now set the bare minimum of what is acceptable for doing flerfer vs. reality testing. If the flerfers can't put together tests and experiments that are at least as competently executed as TFE was, then they don't have a leg to stand on. All they have left is to just outright deny everything with no evidence to back up anything they say. It's all just "Trust me bro, the Earth is flat."
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if most are just grifting now for revenue and don't actually believe what they are preaching. Kind of like televangelists.
Reflections of the dome is interesting because it would be easy to show when something is reflected (it would be mirrored - which nothing in the sky seems to be). Still waiting for any real evidence or even a flat model that can describe day and night + seasons. 😂
@@lobban2 Check out Dave McKeagan's solar imagery from TFE....he shows the sunspot configuration from his location in Antarctica and compared with those from others around the worlds during that same time frame....you can see the sun spots appear shifted depending on where on the globe they were imaged from, just like the face of the moon shifts orientation depending on your position...yet none are a mirror reflection as would be the case for a "Dome" reflection claim.
@@TornadoCAN99 It's interesting how they're rotated, depending on where they were taken, but not reflected, which is a bullet in the head of the claim that all they saw was a reflection of the sun off of the "dome."
@@24joehouse DUbay is a coward and didn't even go to Antartica. He ran away as he knew the sun would be there for 24 hours. Your cult leaders are lying to you.
Flat earthers think that research means digging through the internet until you find something that seems at first glance to confirm what they want to believe (if you squint and tilt your head) and ignoring everything else.
Eric dubay was offered a free trip to Antarctica along a few other well known flat earthers. They refused to go. The excuses that are being made to debunk what 2 well known flat earthers saw and showed...a 24 hr sun...is hilarious and very telling...by the very people who refused to go themselves, FOR FREE!
The reason they refused to go--especially Eric Dubay and David Weiss and Nathan Oakley--is because they know the Earth is not flat and are lying to a vulnerable and gullible audience to make money, and that is the only reason. If they went, it would be much harder for them to continue perpetuating the lie they are using to make a living. It's much better and easier for them to make up stupid s*** after they got back--as especially Eric has--so that people will still watch their inane videos, etc.
I have an acquaintance who is an amateur astro photographer. He's showed me hundreds of amazing pictures of stellar objects that he took himself. I asked him what he thought about flat earthers and space deniers, and he told me "I don't think about them." 😂
@@JamesHawkeRUclips "Looking at the sky can't prove what the ground is." Repeating nonsense does not make it true. Ignoring evidence does not make it go away. Even small childs can understand these two facts. Why do you flerfers have such a hard time understanding this simple stuff?
Your take on flat earthers is bang on. They won't do tests or experiments that might weaken their belief/grift. The Final Experiment proved you right. Great video!
@@Elkysium Holding your thumb up to the sun and saying it doesn't LOOK REALLY BIG is not an "experiment" genius. Tell us ALL ABOUT Bob Knodel's experiment with the fiber-optic gyro genius. Or Jeranism's measurement of earth's flatness with a laser and the boards with holes in them following the canal. TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.
@@Elkysium Now YOU explain the FACT that we: Measure earth rotation and curvature tens of thousands of times a day worldwide using fiber-optic gyros. EXPLAIN IT, STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM EVIDENCE.
@@stuartgray5877 Show me a working model of a spinning ball with water sticking to it instead of being thrown from it unless physically attached as REAL physics dictates... Show me one single factual photo of the surface of the water showing a spherical reflection because it is conforming to a sphere... Been waiting almost 14 years for a globling to show me proof and all have failed...
Nikon cameras allow us to see ships over 60 miles out at sea. 8 inches of curvature per mile squared is not only wrong, it's a lie. We're on a level plane of existence. Have a nice day 😊
@@CameronGraves-ly2ihim curious. Please answer. - why do ships disappear bottom first? If it's refraction how does it refract such that it disappears bottom first? - why do we see clouds and sky at the horizon?
Most simply CHOOSE to believe, they cherry pick information out of context to back their false belief system and ignore actual facts staring them straight in the face. This is proof it is its own religion
@@freddan6fly I kind of feel bad for Jeran. I think he's smart enough that he's figured out that flat Earth is wrong, but he knows that if he changes that position, he's going to just completely obliterate his entire business and social network.
Flat Earthers say: 'The earth measures flat.' Until you measure it!! Which, of course, they refuse to do using measuring tools and devices which can "actually" do such measuring. They continue to use human eyes, which fail to detect simple optical illusions; and abuse physics and math to distort 'facts' to match their 'realm.' They won't trust an astrophysicist, but bend to every word of a yoga instructor; who, I remind you, is great at 'contortion' !!
@@gymhayes4613 And after their experiments showed the Earth to be spherical, both of the people who conducted those experiments came up with handwave-y excuses to justify their results as possible on a flat Earth.
Another person who reveiwed these results, said that yes, they did measure it... but that if the Earth was a globe they would have measured more disparity (a difference is height of the two holes greater than what they measured). They were wrong about it, but you can see how ironic it is when they see the curve, and say "oh, yes, but your model says it should be more or less than what you showed." Which essentially means they are admitting to a curve, and therefore a globe, only this globe should be bigger or smaller than the one we show in the real model. They just don't realize it.
It's wild... flat earth debunkers watch every flat earther video and easily dismantle them. Yet flat earthers refuse to watch any video that debunks them and stay locked in echo chambers. Its almost like they are afraid of any challenge because they know how insanely fragile their beliefs are
Yeah, they’re literally not even that smart. Sure, they know some science but once you really start getting into the real stuff is when they throw in the sponge.
Flerfers don't stay locked in their echo chambers. They come out to make comments on videos debunking flerf theory, but never actually bother to watch the videos they're commenting on or even address the topic of the video, except with offhand dismissals of "it's fake" and "nuh-uh."
@@Green_Tea_Coffee a couple of weeks ago, I actually showed a Christian flat earther an expirment demonstrating the curvature of the earth. The best he could say was "wrong". I’m not even making this up. Lmao
You can debunk flat earth with art class logic, mainly for the people that say the moon isn't a physical object or that it's a transparent 2D projection. High School art class logic alone debunks that once you look at it through a telescope.
Humans have known the Earth is spherical since about the time Romulus and Remus were arguing over whether to name their newly founded village "Rome" or "Reme."
For the cost of a plane ticket, anyone can also show the earth is a globe by observing what constellations can be seen at a northern hemisphere location, particularly the constellations along the southern horizon. Then fly as far south as you can afford and scan the night sky along the southern hemisphere and observe all the constellations that were blocked by the earth farther north. (Or if you are initially in the southern hemisphere, do the same thing, reversing north and south). This is one of the reasons the ancient Greek philosophers believed the earth a sphere (it just took them longer to get from Greece to Egypt to observe stars in both places).
@coyotezee *For the cost of a plane ticket can we get up in the sky and see gods golden castle with all the angels and saints and the people waiting at heavens gate to see if they get in to the party?*
If you want to save the price of a plane ticket, just ask some of the 850 million people who live there what they see in the sky after the Sun sets. (Hint: a lot of stuff we never see in the Northern Hemisphere & a lot of stuff we see but they cannot). Then ask yourself why 850 million people are lying to you?
regarding the weather balloon, wouldn't it not just be curvature they would see, but if the earth was flat, shouldn't they see a lot more of the pizza?
Not only should they be able to see more of it, the landmasses that they image would match the Gleason Projection. They'd also be able to find and image the edge of the world.
@@monsterguyx This is the simplest and most obvious proof, but when I point that out, they either ignore it completely or will reply something stupid like, "horizon comes from horizontal".
One sunset, and the flat earth theory is trashed. One look at the moon and the theory is trashed. No need.for expensive equipment. Just plain good old common sense is all that is needed.
Not just NASA, but every space agency, approximately 70 of them in total. Plus everyone who works in the aerospace industry. Plus anyone who works in any field having to do with satellite communications, imagery, data gathering, all pilots that fly anything bigger than a biplane, all ship captains, anyone in the logistics industry, every ham radio operator, and on and on and on.
Unfortunately, The Final Experiment didn’t do much to change their minds. To some, it did indeed disprove the Gleeson map, while most of the others whine about “green screen,” and “CGI.” It shouldn’t even be a debate, and idk why globers waste their time.
The dumb thing is, the Gleeson map has always been obviously wrong, so it didn't take this to disprove it. The distances on the Gleeson map are all messed up. Australia is twice as wide as North America (it isn't) and the ratio of the circumference at the equator to the distance from the North Pole to the equator is 6.3 and not 4, like it is in real life. So the Gleeson map is clearly not an actual map of the earth, and you don't need to observe a 24 hour sun at the South Pole do know that. If you were honest, of course (I did actually see a flerfer not too long ago come out and say that, the Gleeson map cannot be right, but he didn't actually have something that worked)
@flowingafterglow629, Oh, I’ve seen CoolHardLogic’s whole series “Testing Flattards.” It is funny they’ve been using that map to try and prove their “ice wall” theory. I enjoyed the TFE videos and if you haven’t watched them, I recommend you do.
But it does remove their ability to use the Antarctic treaty incorrectly and the back biting and infighting in their ranks is comedy gold. Those who turned down the opportunity have been shown for what they are. Especially with their panicked ad hoc excuses/claims. I hear will Duffy has heard from folks who were flerfs or on the fringes and they are getting their heads straight. So it’s not all bad.
They are still in panic mode from it. There is a lot of internal fighting happening. The the verdict of it is still open. But yeah, they think everything is conspiracy with the most weirdest spins and nothing would convince those people. If they would be in space they would claim their eyes were replaced by NASA.
I always thought the simplest but rarely used test is to apply a solar filter (starts at $5) and take pictures of the sun throughout the day. Check its size from sunrise to sunset. Have friends do this across the world. If it's all because of perspective, the sun should grow and diminish in size. (Spoiler: It doesn't.)
Then the statement is "lights in the sky dont prove the shape of the ground". They are even working on some sort of "personal sun" that happens to rise and set depending on where you are but only according to you, and happens to also be correlated with what people next to you are seeing. I have no idea how this even begins to make anything like sense to them.
I think you can do it with a wooden stick, a piece of foil with a pin hole in it, and something you can draw on to be placed at the end of the stick. Draw a circle around the projected image of the sun. Take this setup outside when the sun is shining and see if the projected image is ever a different size. The size should change minimally during the year since the earth's orbit isn't perfectly circular, but the distance to the sun varies minimally, 147.1 million km to 152.1 million km. This is a very large distance, but the difference between the closest and furthest distance isn't a great proportion of the total distance. This is pretty close to a direct observation, and the geometry of what is happening should be clear to non-crayon using individuals.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee They did drop $18K on some motion detector thing. Lo and behold it showed a 15 degree per hour drift in rotation, LMFAO. STILL didn't change their mind.
Two super cheap ways to prove a globe Earth: Num. 1: Find yourself a couple of international friends in your same hemisphere, one in a timezone 8 hours ahead of you, one in a timezone 8 hours behind you. Schedule a video call outside right around your sunrise and ask your friends to show you their skies and where the Sun is where they are. Spring and Autumn are good times to do this. Num. 2: Find yourself an international friend in your same timezone but in the opposite hemisphere, ideally as far away from your as possible. Schedule a video call outside around your sunset and ask your friend to show you their sky and where the Sun is where they are. Best times to do this is Summer and Winter.
Flat Earthers: do UR own research. use UR own senses! FE: I'll take you to Antarctica to do UR own research and use UR own senses! Flat Earthers: no. I want to stay at home and then say it was fake!
I was able to get several to leave their flat earth beliefs behind by getting them to image things for themselves. For the ones who say it is too expensive, I generally show my image of the Horsehead and Flame nebula I took with a $30 scope and $150 camera on a $1K mount. Then show them videos on how to make a barndoor eq mount for $40. If all you are looking for it s to confirm that what others see is really there, you don’t need to spend a fortune to get high end imagery.
You have had better success than I have. I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why an EQ mount works, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe.
Being ‘really there’ has never been a debate. Not a single flat earther thinks the known objects in the sky are not in the sky. We can all see them, telescopes are easily accessible. We deny the cartoon images we are given. Your imagination has taken over reality. Cartoons aren’t real, idk why you people think they are. What you see is not what we are given at all.
You are spot on with all of this, but I'll tell you, those are some phenomenal astro images! Beautiful work. Looking forward to watching your other astrophotography-related videos. I have been interested it in a for a long time but don't live in a place where it would be easy to do, so just enjoy the work of others. Subscribed!
One can see the curvature of the earth from a mountain top overlooking the sea. For both of these experiments, take four photos on a digital camera, rotating the camera 90 degrees each time. That is, portrait, rotate 90 degrees, landscape, rotate 90 degrees, upside down portrait, rotate 90 degrees, upside down landscape. That way you eliminate the possibility of the observed curvature being a result of lens distortion. Go to the top of the mountain overlooking the ocean. Take four photographs of the horizon, one in each orientation as described above. Then compress each image horizontally, so the horizon appears narrow. The curve will be obvious in all four photos. To see it without compression, photograph the horizon between two rigid horizontal straight bars a small distance apart, one above the other. The curve will be obvious in all four photos without compression. Making sure you have a flat rigid bar horizontally that does not sag in the middle can be tricky, which is why horizontal compression is much easier.
Well stated! But there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical (but a somewhat messy one): Celestial navigation with a sextant demonstrably works, and a spherical (!) coordinate system is used for hundreds of years by now. For this to have worked and still work, Earth has to be spherical itself (and celestial objects have to be very far away). No expense whatsoever needed, but some middle school geometry …
CN not only proves that the earth is a spheroid, it also proves that it is a spheroid of a specific size: one whose surface curves at the rate of 1 degree every 60 nautical miles.
_"there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical"_ here is an easy one that is related to celestial navigation. the distance to the ground position below any celestial object is 90 degrees minus the elevation angle times 60 nautical miles. this can only be true if 60 nautical miles is equal to 1 degree of the earth's circumference.
@@johnqpublic7608 Simplest to use Polaris, since the angle from the horizontal directly determines the latitude of your position, and this can only work with a spherical earth and a (really) far away object for everyone north of the equator. Everything beyond that is already to complicated for many people. There are so many ways to determine the shape of Earth - as long one wants to actually understand how our world works …
@@johnqpublic7608 Indeed. The joke is that Oakley and his followers have been banging-on about celestial navigation as being a "flat earth proof" (because can't measure an elevation angle from a curved surface, allegedly) when all the while CN is a proof of the globe, who would have thought it!
IMO, the simplest way to determine the sphericity of the Earth is the Geography, specially the distances in the Southern Hemisphere. And if you want a more "technical" piece of evidence, the counter-rotation of both celestial poles is completely irrefutable.
When you point a Nikon P900 at the sky, all you see are blurry dots. That's absolute proof that space is not real. 😂😂😂 And other nonsense Flerfers say.
*Why doesn't NASA tell us that Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead instead of playing stupid like they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun, even though it is furthest away from the core? Or would I have to ask someone who doesn't believe that a virgin had a baby?*
All they need is cheap zooming camera and a trip to a tall building near an ocean or large lake. View the moon as it sets over the western horizon, as soon as it disappears, try to zoom it back in with your zoomy camera, you can't. Then quickly ride the elevator to the top floor and look again. There it is, setting again. There is only one way this can happen. The ocean must be curving down and away from you, and the moon must be very very far away. out in space. Both of these discoveries can be independently confirmed by other tests. Your own eyes are telling you that you live on a globe. All you need is some basic knowledge to prove it to yourself. The flat earth model has no evidence at all.
It’s part of their identity. Some are genuinely confused, but many just want to be a flat earther and you will never change their mind. You could fly them up to the ISS and show them the Earth and they would say you drugged them and implanted false memories. Great photos!!
Here's another simple test - A quick problem for the FE'ers to explain for me - You prove the Earth is a sphere every time you ride a bike or drive a car. It's a little thing that I worked out a few years back and it's really obvious when pointed out -> On a spherical Earth if you travel 100 km straight in any direction in your car/bike you will have gone 100 km over the surface. On a FE, that is only valid if you are travelling directly north/south, or east/west only on the equator. The reason is the gross distortion of the map as you get further away from the equator. For example if you drove 100 km on your odometer directly east when at 45° north of the equator, then you will have travelled just over 141 km on the surface. If you did the same thing in the same car/bike but 45° south of the equator, then you would have travelled only about 71 km, not 100. Like (literally) everything else, nothing works at all on a FE. Nothing.
The shape of the earth has nothing to do with Flat Earth, it's a lot deeper than that but at a minimum it's the fact that they can't visualize basic concepts in the same way that most of us can. The words you're using to describe the equipment is really far more than they can comprehend, you may as well be speaking a mix of English, German, Russian and Spanish all at the same time, to them it's just an unintelligible language. That's the root cause, the rest comes from being shunned from family, society and even the workplace. The cult is being a part of something bigger than themselves and it becomes their identity, they're not about to give that up. They'd rather be isolated as a group than to be isolated alone. Nice photography!
I was told at a sales seminar in the 1970's that...."If you are right, you have no reason to argue...if you are wrong then you have no right to argue". QED. MM.
the final experiment already destroyed it, actaully sky story pointed out how one of them was a FE who was in fact called a shill by his cult members by actaully going. i know who he is talking about and the guy is not happy about it (the flerf) i think he is slowly going to turn into a normal person hopevully
The three test that break flat earth are: an IQ test, an elementary school math test, and and a junior high school physics test. Success on those means you will never be a flat earther. Simple as pie.
Such as the physics of water? The second law of Thermodynamics? The inverse square law of light? To believe in a spinning ball earth you must deny these natural laws and have to claim that water bends, you can have gas pressure without containment and we can see millions of buzz lightyears away🤣😂🤣 ❤🙏🇨🇦🍒
@TrueEarthCherryPopper water does bend around the earth's center of gravity. Earth's gravity also contains the gas which is most dense at the ground and dissapates as you get further and further from earth's center of gravity. This mechanic is perfectly modelled and predicted on the globe model. Try again.
@TrueEarthCherryPopper the nature of air REQUIRES that gravity is the container. If there was a dome (physical barrier) containing the air, then the air pressure would be constant and would not be denser closer to the ground. The fact that air pressure decreases with altitude confirms that gravity is the container not some magical glass sphere.
U r well trained.. Having nations of sheep that consider believing their eyes and senses insane is a dream... If we live on a ultra fast waterball that would be obvious just like its obvious we live on a flat and stationary plane..
I am a very active astrophotographer and also have met a few otherwise normal sensible people who have gone down this rabbit hole. Not dumb or malicious, simply attracted to conspiracies and not very interested in testing them. Unfortunately once you have that predilection social media will keep on feeding you similar content. About 12 months a go I clicked on a few sites that referenced 'little green men. The first was about the famous astrophysicist Jocelyn Bell and her discovery of pulsars and her joke where she referred to their signature radio signature as little green men. The second was another astrophotographer who was making jokes at the expense of the conspiracy theorists. The various social media feeds had increased the UFO related content in my feeds to nearly 50 percent within a week and it was mostly garbage. I can easily see why the various conspiracy theorists can have their views affirmed. Perhaps we need to rethink our attitudes to flows of information that don't come with accountability.
For those who buy into vast conspiracies on a global scale, this little quip might give food for thought: A secret can be held by three people if two are dead. I've seen the horizon curvature from 39,000'. And with a simple straightedge verified the considerable horizon dip as revealed by simultaneously sighting through opposite cabin windows. Short of buying any astro gear, one could see if an astronomy club is holding a public outreach event. Directly seeing even a few celestial sights through a telescope can be revelatory for those who've never done so before.
I've thought about encouraging flerfs to attend meetings of their local astronomy clubs, but I don't want to inflict flerfers on serious hobbyists who just want to enjoy the night sky.
Your claims of observing curve through plane windows has been disproven by observations on the runway showing curve from those windows creating the optical effect.
@@Semper_Fish To be sure, jetliner cabin windows are hardly of optical quality. And they can and do induce small scale distortions. But on the scale of many tens of degrees of field angle they will not induce a smoothly varying deformation that would render a straight line curved to such a uniformly varying degree. I have taken scores of flights in a variety of aircraft, viewing and photographing through cabin windows. There is a considerable variation in quality, and I can recognize a better specimen. Which is why I can state with confidence that I wasn't misled by any distortions, particularly of such large scale. Why? Because in order to do so the window would be required to exhibit the cross section of a lens, smoothly varying in thickness to be either thicker or thinner in the middle. Such windows do not possess even close to enough of such global thickness variation to induce such distortion, which moreover would cause the focus of the external world to be altered. But a camera set to known infinity focus will reliably obtain good focus on distant scenery (disregarding some potential, localized aberration/defocus due to small scale irregularities.) And before you point out that the windows are curved as flush portions conformal to the cylindrical fuselage, be aware that this will not cause the kind of distortion you might wish to invoke. As long as the material of the window is of reasonably uniform thickness, the optical power of such a gently curved, plane parallel window is utterly negligible. That dog won't hunt here. I'll mention that I have worked as a professional optician, fabricating precision lenses and mirrors for industry and astronomy. (The single biggest piece was a 1 meter diameter mirror for laser sounding the atmosphere, which weighed about 250kg.) I do have a thorough understanding of optical aberrations and distortion. I'm well past being an armchair commentator where optics is concerned. 😉
@glennledrew8347 *Speaking of death why doesn't NASA just admit that the Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead? They look stupid pretending they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun even though it is furthest from the core. Anybody tells me that a virgin had a baby I automatically know that the exact opposite of whatever they say is the truth. Simple.*
Venus is always reasonably close to the sun and it's phases and size differences coencide completely with a planet orbiting the sun (inside our orbit). 😂 Space is real and ANYONE can see this by watching Venus a few months spart with a small telescope (FOCUSED). 🎉
Strange how all the flat earth "models" don't include Venus or Mercury, since they can be observed transiting in front of the sun, so surely they must be inside the "dome" with us somewhere?
Here's another experiment: Same Latitude. Same day of the Year. High Noon. Different Longitudes. Measure the shadow. Go to particular latitude on a particular day in the year. (You could coordinate it with others, or you can plan the travel yourself over the course of a year or two.) At different longitudes along that Latitude line, and at High Noon for the latitude, measure the shadow cast by a uniformly shaped object, like a ruler, and compare the differences. You can, instead, also incorporate math on objects whose height you can measure and work out the angle. If they are longer the further north and south of the equator you go, then Earth is a globe. (Historical note: this is how scientists and philosophers before them figured out the Earth is a globe hundreds and even thousands of years before space flight.)
Measuring the angle of the sun’s shadows from 2 or more locations on the solstice will be a good test of the flat earth. If the earth is flat and the sun is close, the angles will all make a right triangle and point to the same place in the sky. If the earth is round and the sun is far away, then the angles will all make parallel lines when the curve of the earth is introduced. The result of this experiment is that earth cannot be flat because the angles from a curved surface cannot point to the same spot in the sky if the sun is close and local as they claim.
Yesterday I added a comment to this video. This morning the algorithm has steered 2 flat earth videos into my feed. If I was silly enough to click on one I think we know what will happen by tomorrow...
@02:26 To me it doesn't look like horse's head, but like the head/neck of an angry turtle emerging from some waters, looking at the camera (two nostril holes in the center)
Flerfs, remember not to launch your weather balloon into a flight path... Assuming that you believe that aeroplanes and weather balloons can actually fly, even though they're heavier than air.
Another really cheap way to not just tell that the earth is round but to measure it. Call a friend somewhere in the south or north. Use google to measure the distance between yourselves. You and your friend can then put a pole in a 90 degrees with the floor and measure its height and shadow. With the two angles of the shadows, you can calculate earth's circumference.
Imagine how much money you'd make as a flat Earther if you went to Antarctica to show the earth to be flat. You'd be a God and could charge money for the evidence and story.
I keep asking them to send up a weather balloon to take pictures of the flat Earth, or to get photos of the edge/underside of the flat Earth that aren't CGI, but they just get mad at me.
Wow, what a great image of the Flaming Star. I've always used a smaller scope to get the full "7" shape into the image field, but have never been that impressed with it. Now you've inspired me to go after it with my TEC 160FL, to really get into that detail you've shown. Nice work with the processing as well.
Galileo had this problem with the elders of the local Catholic Church. He wanted to show them the four largest moons of Jupiter with his telescope, but they refused to even look because the very act of putting eye to eye-piece would be an admission of a lack of faith. The policy of the time was that nothing could exist in the sky that couldn't be seen with the naked eye; every visible object in the sky was intended to benefit mankind.
*Where's the photos of gods castle in the clouds with all the angels and saints? No photos of heavens gate. Oh my bad, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics proves all of the dead are inside of the Sun.*
Fair Play Sky Story, you quite eloquently have clearly pointed out the how-to for those with a major misunderstanding of reality to check for themselves, but like you mentioned. It means their entire beliefs system to the nature of their limited/basic understanding of the world they live in wouldn't fit to the narrative they perceive to be fact... I'm with you Sky Story, I've been into astronomy and astrophotography for many years. Had countless run ins with FEs etc,,, just think of them as as I do, people who only just understand how to use a crayon, with the IQ to match... P. S some nice images, really liked the horsehead nebula 💯👍
Easy way for one to check the curve: drive North or south. Go on a road trip and each day log the position of the sun and moon. As you drive south you’ll see the moon rotate, the star constellations change, and the angles to change. All only possible on a globe
@ I’ve suggested that they just do a Skype call with as many people around the world as possible to simultaneously compare skies. They never even accept that challenge; they do everything possible to avoid doing any science at all
1.Circle the water and all the oceans. 2.Pressurized air versus vacuum in infinite space. 3.From Russia to America, travel east, it's closer, they touch, right on the globe? 4.The horizon rises to the level of the eye, no matter how high we are. 5.Antarctic Treaty and NASA, UN map.
I don´t really get, what you are trying to express with this erratic list of statements without conclusion. Please be a little bit more specific. 1. Yes, the oceans curve (or circle, like you wrote) arounde the globe. So what? 2. Yes, there is air pressure at sea level on earth. It declines, the higher you get, until you reach the near vacuum in infinite space. So what? 3. Russia and Americe (but i guess, you actually meant the USA) are both very big countries in longitude and latitude. The direction with the shortest distance depends on, where you like to start and where to stop. So what? 4. No, the horizon measurably does not rise to eye level, when you gain altitude. Please do some serious research. 5. Yes, there is an Antarctic Treaty, yes there is a NASA and yes, there is a UN map (if you are aiming at the UN logo, based on an azimuthal, equidistant projection of the globe). So what? Again, what do you want to tell us by your comment?
So you believe the FE lie that someone in New Zealand can see over 6,000 miles further than someone in Canada? That shows how ignorant you are. FE is dead.
@@butchertattoo3912 Your comments are getting more and more confused. First of all, no cause of using capitals (in the internet, this is sometimes taken as yelling and as not very respectful). One side of the moon? Yes, the moon is in tidal locking to the earth, so there is always the same side directed towards us. What about it? Van Alen circles? I guess, you meant the Van Allen radiation belt around earth. What about it? Britanica 1958? Maybe you mean the Encyclopedia britannica from 1958? What about it? Rockafeler plato? Maybe you mean the Rockefeller plateau in antarctica, discovered 1934 by Richard E. Byrd? What about it? I really like riddles, but this is just nonsense...
@@Tanaquil_de_Lammerfors I think our Flat Earthling is trying to convey that the "BRITANICA 1958" is referring to a cherry-picked reference to the word 'dome' that is 13,000 feet high on the Antarctic continent. It was all the rage a month or two ago.
You can also just use two laser levels at a reasonable distance from each other at slightly different heights to see if they remain parallel or intersect. If the Earth is actually flat, they will always remain parallel. But get them far enough apart and sure enough, no they don't remain parallel.
Don't sell yourself short. Your photos are spectacular. And while anyone can do it, getting photos like you are showing does take considerable skill and experience. It is getting easier though with these smart scopes like the Dwarf. And those run around $500.
Flat earthers will claim the equipment bought comes with fake images installed in them to seem as if you're looking into space when you're actually not😢
Oh wow!! These are awe-inspiring captures! 😮 Simply stunning! 😮 Why can't the flat earth folk see that reality is so much more beautiful and exciting than the fiction they tell themselves?!
One of the main flat earthers' arguments is that the Earth curvature as seen from high altitudes is the result of the design of all modern cameras. Inherent fish eye flaw, as I understand they say. It would be good if some camera manufacturer or other camera expert publicly debunked this belief with technical explanation.
I like how Flerfs think their handheld camera should be able to show just as much detail on Mars or Jupiter as a $10K telescope with a $10K mount. Actually, you can get pretty good detail out of a $600 8" Dob, but they are massive and obviously gather more light(detail) than a handheld camera. But it does make you wonder WHY they think people DO drop well into the 5 figures for the telescope, mount and imaging equipment to get stunning pictures of planets and deeps sky objects like Galaxies and Nebula, if all you need is a handheld camera to image outer space, LMAO.
But the problem is that even if youspell everything out slowly, flerfs will still not get it. If you can believe "dee erf flat and space fake", you cannot grasp basic geometry and math, and therefore any attempt at education is futile.
I had no idea there was a "space is fake" cult. I only once heard a flat-earther say that space was fake, and I thought he was the only person alive who actually made such a claim.
@@robadams1645 I wonder, do they say this because there's some pseudoscientific way they can make everything work without gravity and space? Or is it more that they're just challenging themselves to see how much absolute bull spit they can make up before people stop taking them seriously?
Fascinating video, thank you. I'm giving up watching Flerfers, I just can't be bothered with them any more. They will never do any of the three things you have suggested, because that would prove them wrong, and they don't want to know that. They are reality deniers.
At the moment there is about four hundred thousand people working in the space industry. Do they really think that they are all lying about what they do
Great pictures - and a nice commentary. Scientists and people who use rational logic tend to be nice, polite and generous. Cultists almost never. Can you imagine a wealthy flat earther spending a six figure sum to invite others to Antartica? Or a calm, reasoned discussion with Nathan Oakley or CC?
I don't know when this was recorded. on and around December 14 of 2024 . The final experiment took place. A team of glob believers and flat earthers filmed the 24 hour sun.
It’s true. I have never for a moment been a space denier but recently I looked at Jupiter thru a not very powerful telescope and was completely blown away to realise that the 3 tiny white dots nearby were moons. ‘Far out’ I said out loud ‘it’s all real!’ Never had a doubt in my life but still, looking with your own eyes it hits very differently. Looked at Saturn too and was just able to make out the rings. Amazing. 🌖🪐🌏
One thing I have said, one problem with the flerfs and their reality denial is that they miss out on such cool stuff. Like your case of the first time realizing you are seeing the moons of Jupiter - I've been in that situation, too, and it was so cool! Instead of being amazed, the reality denier is just going to blow it off as faked? Oh you are missing so much!
Same here. I bought a modest-sized telescope and pointed it at Saturn. When I adjusted the focus and saw the rings my heart leaped. The universe is an incredible, beautiful awe-inspiring place. To sit in your armchair sniping at others and calling 'fake' is such a waste of a life.
@@flowingafterglow629 everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing. Your imagination is the only reason you thing they are far away places.
When I went to Australia many years ago, I got to see the Southern Cross...it looks so close you could almost touch it. Too bad Flat Earthlings are missing out on these amazing things.
@@JoeLin-v5i "everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing." Not true. When I was in Australia the moon appeared to be 'upside-down'. I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing a handstand. If I had my telescope, I'd bet the planets would appear to be in a different orientation as well.
I am working on my own Arduino star stracker right now. It is surprisingly difficult considering how simple the concept is. Although much of that is because of extra functionality I want to add. All of the calculations I have had to use so far, are completely based on a globe. Not to mention specifically having to take gravity into account. Flerfs are sadly broken into two groups. The wildly ignorant and the grifters.
Your images are beautiful and I am sure they are genuine, but ironically, you are right, technologies nowadays is so advanced, any conspiracists would say they are CGI and say "Nuh uh". Flat earthers will now ask me, "Why do you think those images are genuine?"... Simple, "Sky Story" said it, everybody could easily repeat the same experience and produce the same results.... Well, except people from UK, always cloudy out there ;-)
Sadly, you are absolutely right. Any flat earther could repeat this for themselves and shoot these images. Or they could do any of these experiments for themselves. To my knowledge, every single flat earther who replied simply said: No, it can't work because x. Which is why they are classifiable as a cult. They have no interest in testing anything that might challenge the story they want to believe. They will fit the facts to the cult or reject them.
Antarctica; Not only does it rarely rain or snow, but the air there hardly holds moisture; cold air carries less moisture than warm air. Relative humidity in Antarctica can be as low as 1%! For comparison, the relative humidity of a "dry" winter day in the Northeastern United States is typically 20-25%. When you breathe out in cold air, you can see steam because of a process called condensation: Explanation "It's a fact" .When you exhale, the warm, moist air from your breath meets cold air, which lowers the temperature of the breath. The cold air can't hold as much moisture as warm air, so the water vapor in your breath turns into liquid water droplets, which you see as a cloud or steam. "It's a fact" is an informal expression that emphasizes the truth or correctness of a statement. For example, "We aren't playing well as a team, and that's a fact". that's a fact".. F00L ST0P.......?
Do the flirthers know that when they see the sun set they can simply call people in the next time zone and have them confirm the arc continues in a straight line till it rises on the opposite horizon having never moved in a curving way to reach its new position? I mean seriously. We all know what a circle looks like. Does the sun curve as it crosses the sky at any point? Or does it draw a perfect straight line no matter who sees it rise? Does it EVER move in a circle? Ever? How exactly do flirthers expect us to believe what no one sees or witnesses.🙄
A few bucks and minimal crafting tools and skill will do: Get a "smoked glass", the kind used to watch eclipses. Ue a glazer's "diamond" to score a number of parallel lines about 6-7mm (1/4'' for you colonials) apart on it. Mount it crosswise on one end of a 600mm (24'') long piece of wood, and screw an eye bolt or similar into the other end, so you can look through it toward the glass. Go out at dawn on a clear day, and point the device toward the sun, noting how big it is relative to your scoring marks. Do this at noon, in the afternoon, just before sunset, and as many times you feel like. Compare the relative sizes of the sun... I predict you will find no noticeable difference there. The only model under which this will be the case, is one where the sun is really big and far, far away. Now go and find yourself a flat earf "model" that doesn't contradict your own direct observations... Have a nice day :) (Yes, you could do this with a "pinhole box" but someone could claim it's "not direct observations"... Further, an educator could refine the prediction and require the students either guess or calculate the size ahead of time (It'll be around 13mm or 1/2'', the size of your pinky nail at arm's length), and offer a small prize for the person/group that gets closest).
A gang of cultists can pool their cash for good quality gear and do the research together. But they won't. It takes courage and emotional maturity to accept a painful truth over a comfortable delusion.
Someone tell "CC Chris from Westchester County" to buy a telescope instead of using his P900. Since CC thinks space is fake and the stars are just lights in the dome.
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Here's an even cheaper way and doesn't involve travel:
1. Buy a drone, easily had for $50 or less.
2. Watch the Sun set, or in the case of an Flerfer, disappear.
3. Fly the drone 400' straight up.
4. Watch the Sun set again.
The earth is a globe, but this would work on both models
That is evidence of perspective, not a globe.
@@derekholm3112 This would not work on their model, bcs in their model the sun will always be above the ground plane thus always being visible, regardless of observer's height.
@@ImNotNormie Further elaboration, please.
@@derekholm3112 The FE model the Sun would have to get smaller until it disappeared from sight. An elevated drone view wouldn't change that.
One thing I’ve learned talking to Flat Earthers and Space is Fakers is that even if you took one up to the ISS, they would still claim it was all fake. No matter how much evidence you give them, talking with them is futile. I’ve moved on and now just enjoy learning as much as I can about Space and Astronomy.
It's hilarious how they will either deny the ISS exists, or claim that it is a giant balloon, but then when it's pointed out that you can see it with the naked eye, and that plenty of astrophotography hobbyists have taken pictures of it, they have no answer to why you can't see the balloon.
Flerferism is just "nuh-uh" all the way down.
If you took a flat earther to the ISS (which you would have to drag them to kicking and screaming because most would refuse to go in the first place...) you *might* be able to convince that specific flat earther. However the rest of their cult would immediately reject anything that one said, call them a "shill", etc. You would have to personally take every single one to the ISS...
You've moved on.....but you're here lol. Just teasing 😊
They are using a 'green screen', they showed it in the huston headquarters, with old president bush in a wheel chair video. Also confirmed by them using 'special effects' to make one of them 'dematerialize', like on star trek, in the 90s.
@@MATTINCALI Really? How much of an expert are you on using green screen and chroma keying technologies?
Since you are an expert on these things, explain the videos shot with moving cameras that aren't locked down.
By the way, your claims of the ISS interior footage being shot on a green screen has been thoroughly debunked by Dave McKeegan.
Thanks.
1 Thing that ends flat earth
EDUCATION
Something people are getting LESS AND LESS of these days..... 😞
@@stuartgray5877 Sad but true and even worse they do not seem to care.
Even that would not help them. They actively avoid any information that contradicts their worldview
A proper education would end a lot of nonsensical beliefs.
But in their eyes education = brainwashing.
Saw an announcement a few years ago for a flat earth convention, which stated, People from all over the GLOBE are coming. Really.
Was it for the Flat Earth Society? That's a tongue-in-cheek organization. They been trolling since the 70s. 😎
All over the globe, really?
🤣🤣🤣!!!
An EQ mount is a flat earth killer, but I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why they work, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe. There is an easy and cheap test for flat earthers. Precisely at sunset, launch a drone straight up several hundred feet. The camera will sshow the edge of the sun above the horizon. Then return the drone to the ground and watch it disappear. The differences in the timings of the appearances will match the rotatiion rate.
Agreed. None of them have a clue how it works.
@@QBranchSpace you can't seem to see that the globe earth doesn't hold any water. Water requires containment and it is level, hence the phrase see level. If it was curving, we would call it sea curve. If the earth was curved we would call it ground curve but it's call ground level. Airplanes fly in the air over the plane if we flew around a curve, they'd be call aircurves. The absolute nonsense that you have to believe is insane. 44 government documents (NASA, Military and aeronomics ) all stating a flat, non-rotating earth. Government agencies all use the FE map as their logos, the globe can be found in Hollywood productions. NASA is the faking space division of Disney ❤🙏🇨🇦🍒
The flat earthers just back from TFE to see the 24h Sun in Antarctica still won't admit the Earth isn't flat - although Jeran admitted he was wrong about the 24h Sun on live video he also said it could be that their 'model' requires further work! And of course the armchair keyboard warriors throw out the usual nonsenical explanations such as greenscreen CGI, 2 suns, reflection off the dome ... sigh.
Here's the thing, though. TFE has now set the bare minimum of what is acceptable for doing flerfer vs. reality testing. If the flerfers can't put together tests and experiments that are at least as competently executed as TFE was, then they don't have a leg to stand on. All they have left is to just outright deny everything with no evidence to back up anything they say. It's all just "Trust me bro, the Earth is flat."
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if most are just grifting now for revenue and don't actually believe what they are preaching. Kind of like televangelists.
Reflections of the dome is interesting because it would be easy to show when something is reflected (it would be mirrored - which nothing in the sky seems to be).
Still waiting for any real evidence or even a flat model that can describe day and night + seasons. 😂
@@lobban2 Check out Dave McKeagan's solar imagery from TFE....he shows the sunspot configuration from his location in Antarctica and compared with those from others around the worlds during that same time frame....you can see the sun spots appear shifted depending on where on the globe they were imaged from, just like the face of the moon shifts orientation depending on your position...yet none are a mirror reflection as would be the case for a "Dome" reflection claim.
@@TornadoCAN99 It's interesting how they're rotated, depending on where they were taken, but not reflected, which is a bullet in the head of the claim that all they saw was a reflection of the sun off of the "dome."
Flat earthers say "Do your own research", and are not even willing to go to Antarctica.
Why? All i have to do is look at how ridiculous the Tesla in space looks
@@24joehouse DUbay is a coward and didn't even go to Antartica.
He ran away as he knew the sun would be there for 24 hours. Your cult leaders are lying to you.
@@24joehouse What should a Tesla in space look like?
Flerfs consider "doing your own research" to be watching idiots like Dubay and Oakley and blindly accepting any drivel they put out.
😅 Exactly @@24joehouse
Flat earthers think that research means digging through the internet until you find something that seems at first glance to confirm what they want to believe (if you squint and tilt your head) and ignoring everything else.
Eric dubay was offered a free trip to Antarctica along a few other well known flat earthers. They refused to go. The excuses that are being made to debunk what 2 well known flat earthers saw and showed...a 24 hr sun...is hilarious and very telling...by the very people who refused to go themselves, FOR FREE!
The reason they refused to go--especially Eric Dubay and David Weiss and Nathan Oakley--is because they know the Earth is not flat and are lying to a vulnerable and gullible audience to make money, and that is the only reason. If they went, it would be much harder for them to continue perpetuating the lie they are using to make a living. It's much better and easier for them to make up stupid s*** after they got back--as especially Eric has--so that people will still watch their inane videos, etc.
I have an acquaintance who is an amateur astro photographer. He's showed me hundreds of amazing pictures of stellar objects that he took himself. I asked him what he thought about flat earthers and space deniers, and he told me "I don't think about them." 😂
😂
Looking at the sky can't prove what the ground is.
@@JamesHawkeRUclips "Looking at the sky can't prove what the ground is."
Repeating nonsense does not make it true. Ignoring evidence does not make it go away.
Even small childs can understand these two facts. Why do you flerfers have such a hard time understanding this simple stuff?
@@JamesHawkeRUclips Yes it can dude.
Did you ask him about extended exposure settings and digital enhancing software that made his pics bedazzle a dupe like you?
Your take on flat earthers is bang on. They won't do tests or experiments that might weaken their belief/grift. The Final Experiment proved you right. Great video!
They won't even EVALUATE EVIDENCE that proves THEM WRONG.
We have done tests and experiments fool. Cope harder...
@@Elkysium Holding your thumb up to the sun and saying it doesn't LOOK REALLY BIG is not an "experiment" genius.
Tell us ALL ABOUT Bob Knodel's experiment with the fiber-optic gyro genius.
Or Jeranism's measurement of earth's flatness with a laser and the boards with holes in them following the canal.
TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.
@@Elkysium Now YOU explain the FACT that we:
Measure earth rotation and curvature tens of thousands of times a day worldwide using fiber-optic gyros.
EXPLAIN IT, STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM EVIDENCE.
@@stuartgray5877 Show me a working model of a spinning ball with water sticking to it instead of being thrown from it unless physically attached as REAL physics dictates...
Show me one single factual photo of the surface of the water showing a spherical reflection because it is conforming to a sphere...
Been waiting almost 14 years for a globling to show me proof and all have failed...
Flat Earthers don't even understand the concept of focusing a telescope, good luck showing them astrophotography
They can't even focus their own eyes.
Nikon cameras allow us to see ships over 60 miles out at sea. 8 inches of curvature per mile squared is not only wrong, it's a lie. We're on a level plane of existence.
Have a nice day 😊
@@CameronGraves-ly2ih ships disappear from the bottom up. Do you also believe everyone has their own private sky of stars?
@@CameronGraves-ly2ihim curious. Please answer.
- why do ships disappear bottom first? If it's refraction how does it refract such that it disappears bottom first?
- why do we see clouds and sky at the horizon?
@Necris986 humidity & atmospheric conditions. Nikon P1000 cameras cut through that :)
In all seriousness, good video, though I doubt flat earthers (or trolls pretending to be them) will watch anything past the first 2 seconds.
I agree. I doubt even 1% will do any of these tests. It's more important to protect the belief. Hence why I refer to them as cultists.
Most simply CHOOSE to believe, they cherry pick information out of context to back their false belief system and ignore actual facts staring them straight in the face. This is proof it is its own religion
@@SKYST0RY I think Jeran is the only one who has taken a picture of the ISS.
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@@Green_Tea_Coffee Interesting as Jeran himself says when he disproves flat earth.
@@freddan6fly I kind of feel bad for Jeran. I think he's smart enough that he's figured out that flat Earth is wrong, but he knows that if he changes that position, he's going to just completely obliterate his entire business and social network.
Flat Earthers say: 'The earth measures flat.' Until you measure it!! Which, of course, they refuse to do using measuring tools and devices which can "actually" do such measuring. They continue to use human eyes, which fail to detect simple optical illusions; and abuse physics and math to distort 'facts' to match their 'realm.' They won't trust an astrophysicist, but bend to every word of a yoga instructor; who, I remind you, is great at 'contortion' !!
They did measure it. They had 2 boards with holes and a laser and proved curvature.
They also bought a gyroscope and proved 15 degrees per hour drift.
@@gymhayes4613 And after their experiments showed the Earth to be spherical, both of the people who conducted those experiments came up with handwave-y excuses to justify their results as possible on a flat Earth.
Another person who reveiwed these results, said that yes, they did measure it... but that if the Earth was a globe they would have measured more disparity (a difference is height of the two holes greater than what they measured). They were wrong about it, but you can see how ironic it is when they see the curve, and say "oh, yes, but your model says it should be more or less than what you showed." Which essentially means they are admitting to a curve, and therefore a globe, only this globe should be bigger or smaller than the one we show in the real model. They just don't realize it.
No constant arc of a radius exists in reality.
@@JamesHawkeRUclips Geodetic surveys take into account the Earth's curvature, and those records go back hundreds of years.
It's wild... flat earth debunkers watch every flat earther video and easily dismantle them. Yet flat earthers refuse to watch any video that debunks them and stay locked in echo chambers. Its almost like they are afraid of any challenge because they know how insanely fragile their beliefs are
Yeah, they’re literally not even that smart. Sure, they know some science but once you really start getting into the real stuff is when they throw in the sponge.
Flerfers don't stay locked in their echo chambers. They come out to make comments on videos debunking flerf theory, but never actually bother to watch the videos they're commenting on or even address the topic of the video, except with offhand dismissals of "it's fake" and "nuh-uh."
@@Green_Tea_Coffee a couple of weeks ago, I actually showed a Christian flat earther an expirment demonstrating the curvature of the earth. The best he could say was "wrong". I’m not even making this up. Lmao
You can debunk flat earth with art class logic, mainly for the people that say the moon isn't a physical object or that it's a transparent 2D projection.
High School art class logic alone debunks that once you look at it through a telescope.
The ignorance here is wild!
We’ve known that Earth is roughly spherical for literally thousands of years
Humans have known the Earth is spherical since about the time Romulus and Remus were arguing over whether to name their newly founded village "Rome" or "Reme."
Really?
@@laszlomarton4919 Yup.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee *How long have humans known that the energy of the dead returns to its source, the Sun?*
@@truthtrekker Huh?
Talking to a flat earther is like talking to a wall
More sense from the wall.
You aren't going to use rational thinking to talk someone out of a belief they arrived at through feelings.
A wall reflects at least ...
Some walls have a story to tell , flefers have nothing!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee no point, feelings don't replace what is obvious.
For the cost of a plane ticket, anyone can also show the earth is a globe by observing what constellations can be seen at a northern hemisphere location, particularly the constellations along the southern horizon. Then fly as far south as you can afford and scan the night sky along the southern hemisphere and observe all the constellations that were blocked by the earth farther north. (Or if you are initially in the southern hemisphere, do the same thing, reversing north and south). This is one of the reasons the ancient Greek philosophers believed the earth a sphere (it just took them longer to get from Greece to Egypt to observe stars in both places).
Fly between Sydney to Santiago. This flight is impossible on the flat earth model.
@coyotezee *For the cost of a plane ticket can we get up in the sky and see gods golden castle with all the angels and saints and the people waiting at heavens gate to see if they get in to the party?*
If you want to save the price of a plane ticket, just ask some of the 850 million people who live there what they see in the sky after the Sun sets. (Hint: a lot of stuff we never see in the Northern Hemisphere & a lot of stuff we see but they cannot). Then ask yourself why 850 million people are lying to you?
One of the most insane things I've heard from a flatearther is that "telescopes are all pre-programmed by nasa".
regarding the weather balloon, wouldn't it not just be curvature they would see, but if the earth was flat, shouldn't they see a lot more of the pizza?
Absolutely... The spherical shape of the Earth is the only reason the horizon line even exists.
Not only should they be able to see more of it, the landmasses that they image would match the Gleason Projection. They'd also be able to find and image the edge of the world.
They just claim that "you can only see so far" but can't actually define how far that is.
@dustenthewind865 *By flat earth debunkers you mean people who believe that a virgin had a baby, correct?*
@@monsterguyx This is the simplest and most obvious proof, but when I point that out, they either ignore it completely or will reply something stupid like, "horizon comes from horizontal".
One sunset, and the flat earth theory is trashed. One look at the moon and the theory is trashed. No need.for expensive equipment. Just plain good old common sense is all that is needed.
To be a flat earther, you must firmly believe that NASA spends billions just to hide the fact that Earth is actually a pancake
Not just NASA, but every space agency, approximately 70 of them in total. Plus everyone who works in the aerospace industry. Plus anyone who works in any field having to do with satellite communications, imagery, data gathering, all pilots that fly anything bigger than a biplane, all ship captains, anyone in the logistics industry, every ham radio operator, and on and on and on.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee And me I'm in on it as well, because I help build flight simulators to train those pilots, aviation engineer here
@@flightsimdev That sounds like an awesome and fun job!
There are no flerfers in cockpits or in satellite operations centers.
All they have to do is club together and let one of them go for a ride on Blue Origin or Virgin Galactic!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee there are no flerfers that even understand highschool algebra and trigonometry.
Unfortunately, The Final Experiment didn’t do much to change their minds. To some, it did indeed disprove the Gleeson map, while most of the others whine about “green screen,” and “CGI.” It shouldn’t even be a debate, and idk why globers waste their time.
The dumb thing is, the Gleeson map has always been obviously wrong, so it didn't take this to disprove it.
The distances on the Gleeson map are all messed up. Australia is twice as wide as North America (it isn't) and the ratio of the circumference at the equator to the distance from the North Pole to the equator is 6.3 and not 4, like it is in real life. So the Gleeson map is clearly not an actual map of the earth, and you don't need to observe a 24 hour sun at the South Pole do know that. If you were honest, of course (I did actually see a flerfer not too long ago come out and say that, the Gleeson map cannot be right, but he didn't actually have something that worked)
@flowingafterglow629, Oh, I’ve seen CoolHardLogic’s whole series “Testing Flattards.” It is funny they’ve been using that map to try and prove their “ice wall” theory. I enjoyed the TFE videos and if you haven’t watched them, I recommend you do.
But it does remove their ability to use the Antarctic treaty incorrectly and the back biting and infighting in their ranks is comedy gold.
Those who turned down the opportunity have been shown for what they are. Especially with their panicked ad hoc excuses/claims.
I hear will Duffy has heard from folks who were flerfs or on the fringes and they are getting their heads straight. So it’s not all bad.
@@Lutefisk_FettucciniCHL. The maestro!
They are still in panic mode from it. There is a lot of internal fighting happening. The the verdict of it is still open. But yeah, they think everything is conspiracy with the most weirdest spins and nothing would convince those people. If they would be in space they would claim their eyes were replaced by NASA.
I always thought the simplest but rarely used test is to apply a solar filter (starts at $5) and take pictures of the sun throughout the day. Check its size from sunrise to sunset. Have friends do this across the world. If it's all because of perspective, the sun should grow and diminish in size. (Spoiler: It doesn't.)
That would require flerfers to do two things: spend money on a filter and camera, and go outside.
They're not about to do either of those things.
Then the statement is "lights in the sky dont prove the shape of the ground". They are even working on some sort of "personal sun" that happens to rise and set depending on where you are but only according to you, and happens to also be correlated with what people next to you are seeing.
I have no idea how this even begins to make anything like sense to them.
I think you can do it with a wooden stick, a piece of foil with a pin hole in it, and something you can draw on to be placed at the end of the stick. Draw a circle around the projected image of the sun. Take this setup outside when the sun is shining and see if the projected image is ever a different size. The size should change minimally during the year since the earth's orbit isn't perfectly circular, but the distance to the sun varies minimally, 147.1 million km to 152.1 million km. This is a very large distance, but the difference between the closest and furthest distance isn't a great proportion of the total distance. This is pretty close to a direct observation, and the geometry of what is happening should be clear to non-crayon using individuals.
The sun would also appear to speed up as it nears AND slow down after it passes. Like you say, spoiler, it doesn't!!!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee They did drop $18K on some motion detector thing. Lo and behold it showed a 15 degree per hour drift in rotation, LMFAO.
STILL didn't change their mind.
Two super cheap ways to prove a globe Earth:
Num. 1: Find yourself a couple of international friends in your same hemisphere, one in a timezone 8 hours ahead of you, one in a timezone 8 hours behind you. Schedule a video call outside right around your sunrise and ask your friends to show you their skies and where the Sun is where they are. Spring and Autumn are good times to do this.
Num. 2: Find yourself an international friend in your same timezone but in the opposite hemisphere, ideally as far away from your as possible. Schedule a video call outside around your sunset and ask your friend to show you their sky and where the Sun is where they are. Best times to do this is Summer and Winter.
Flat Earthers: do UR own research. use UR own senses!
FE: I'll take you to Antarctica to do UR own research and use UR own senses!
Flat Earthers: no. I want to stay at home and then say it was fake!
Also flat earthers “I’m sick, what medicine should I take please doctor?”
What's "FE"?
*The earth is a spinning ball and a virgin had a baby. Does that about sum it up?*
@@truthtrekker
The earth is an oblate spheroid rotating on its axis once every 24 hours and parthenogenesis does not occur in Mammalia.
@@MisterHowzat Final Experiment
Can't remember the name of the dude who paid for the expedition.
I was able to get several to leave their flat earth beliefs behind by getting them to image things for themselves.
For the ones who say it is too expensive, I generally show my image of the Horsehead and Flame nebula I took with a $30 scope and $150 camera on a $1K mount. Then show them videos on how to make a barndoor eq mount for $40.
If all you are looking for it s to confirm that what others see is really there, you don’t need to spend a fortune to get high end imagery.
Good work.
You have had better success than I have. I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why an EQ mount works, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe.
Never ever happened. That’s a lie and we all know it. Once you see reality - you don’t go back to make believe. There are no ex-flat earthers.
Their precious p1000 costs about that much.
Being ‘really there’ has never been a debate. Not a single flat earther thinks the known objects in the sky are not in the sky. We can all see them, telescopes are easily accessible. We deny the cartoon images we are given. Your imagination has taken over reality. Cartoons aren’t real, idk why you people think they are. What you see is not what we are given at all.
Love this, thank you and your photos are amazing and fascinating!
You are spot on with all of this, but I'll tell you, those are some phenomenal astro images! Beautiful work. Looking forward to watching your other astrophotography-related videos. I have been interested it in a for a long time but don't live in a place where it would be easy to do, so just enjoy the work of others. Subscribed!
*Lets see some photos of gods golden castle in the clouds. The system requires we believe that bullshit too.*
@@truthtrekker Flat earth surely requires a gos. Spherical earth doesnt.
One can see the curvature of the earth from a mountain top overlooking the sea.
For both of these experiments, take four photos on a digital camera, rotating the camera 90 degrees each time.
That is, portrait, rotate 90 degrees, landscape, rotate 90 degrees, upside down portrait, rotate 90 degrees, upside down landscape.
That way you eliminate the possibility of the observed curvature being a result of lens distortion.
Go to the top of the mountain overlooking the ocean. Take four photographs of the horizon, one in each orientation as described above.
Then compress each image horizontally, so the horizon appears narrow.
The curve will be obvious in all four photos.
To see it without compression, photograph the horizon between two rigid horizontal straight bars a small distance apart, one above the other.
The curve will be obvious in all four photos without compression.
Making sure you have a flat rigid bar horizontally that does not sag in the middle can be tricky, which is why horizontal compression is much easier.
Well stated! But there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical (but a somewhat messy one): Celestial navigation with a sextant demonstrably works, and a spherical (!) coordinate system is used for hundreds of years by now. For this to have worked and still work, Earth has to be spherical itself (and celestial objects have to be very far away). No expense whatsoever needed, but some middle school geometry …
CN not only proves that the earth is a spheroid, it also proves that it is a spheroid of a specific size: one whose surface curves at the rate of 1 degree every 60 nautical miles.
_"there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical"_
here is an easy one that is related to celestial navigation. the distance to the ground position below any celestial object is 90 degrees minus the elevation angle times 60 nautical miles.
this can only be true if 60 nautical miles is equal to 1 degree of the earth's circumference.
@@johnqpublic7608 Simplest to use Polaris, since the angle from the horizontal directly determines the latitude of your position, and this can only work with a spherical earth and a (really) far away object for everyone north of the equator. Everything beyond that is already to complicated for many people. There are so many ways to determine the shape of Earth - as long one wants to actually understand how our world works …
@@johnqpublic7608 Indeed. The joke is that Oakley and his followers have been banging-on about celestial navigation as being a "flat earth proof" (because can't measure an elevation angle from a curved surface, allegedly) when all the while CN is a proof of the globe, who would have thought it!
IMO, the simplest way to determine the sphericity of the Earth is the Geography, specially the distances in the Southern Hemisphere. And if you want a more "technical" piece of evidence, the counter-rotation of both celestial poles is completely irrefutable.
When you point a Nikon P900 at the sky, all you see are blurry dots. That's absolute proof that space is not real.
😂😂😂
And other nonsense Flerfers say.
or is it proof that FLERF's can't focus their camera of choice?
*Why doesn't NASA tell us that Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead instead of playing stupid like they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun, even though it is furthest away from the core? Or would I have to ask someone who doesn't believe that a virgin had a baby?*
All they need is cheap zooming camera and a trip to a tall building near an ocean or large lake.
View the moon as it sets over the western horizon, as soon as it disappears, try to zoom it back in with your zoomy camera, you can't. Then quickly ride the elevator to the top floor and look again. There it is, setting again. There is only one way this can happen. The ocean must be curving down and away from you, and the moon must be very very far away. out in space. Both of these discoveries can be independently confirmed by other tests. Your own eyes are telling you that you live on a globe. All you need is some basic knowledge to prove it to yourself. The flat earth model has no evidence at all.
Or just use a drone.
It’s part of their identity. Some are genuinely confused, but many just want to be a flat earther and you will never change their mind. You could fly them up to the ISS and show them the Earth and they would say you drugged them and implanted false memories.
Great photos!!
Here's another simple test -
A quick problem for the FE'ers to explain for me -
You prove the Earth is a sphere every time you ride a bike or drive a car. It's a little thing that I worked out a few years back and it's really obvious when pointed out ->
On a spherical Earth if you travel 100 km straight in any direction in your car/bike you will have gone 100 km over the surface.
On a FE, that is only valid if you are travelling directly north/south, or east/west only on the equator. The reason is the gross distortion of the map as you get further away from the equator. For example if you drove 100 km on your odometer directly east when at 45° north of the equator, then you will have travelled just over 141 km on the surface. If you did the same thing in the same car/bike but 45° south of the equator, then you would have travelled only about 71 km, not 100.
Like (literally) everything else, nothing works at all on a FE.
Nothing.
Huh???
@@laszlomarton4919 It's a very simple example of why the Earth is a sphere and not flat.
@TheBillzilla *All that and a virgin had a baby, right buddy boy?*
@@truthtrekker I have no idea what you're talking about.
If my question is wrong, point out the error.
The photo that you shared is spectacular 1:22
Edited to correct the time link
Came for the flerf rant, stayed for the astrophotography
The shape of the earth has nothing to do with Flat Earth, it's a lot deeper than that but at a minimum it's the fact that they can't visualize basic concepts in the same way that most of us can.
The words you're using to describe the equipment is really far more than they can comprehend, you may as well be speaking a mix of English, German, Russian and Spanish all at the same time, to them it's just an unintelligible language. That's the root cause, the rest comes from being shunned from family, society and even the workplace.
The cult is being a part of something bigger than themselves and it becomes their identity, they're not about to give that up. They'd rather be isolated as a group than to be isolated alone.
Nice photography!
Yeah, I imagine most flerfers are the types of people who get drunk and belligerent at Thanksgiving!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee
Sounds about right!
Not understanding basic things causes anger, unfortunately.
I was told at a sales seminar in the 1970's that...."If you are right, you have no reason to argue...if you are wrong then you have no right to argue". QED. MM.
now if only someone could convince those that are wrong that they are wrong, so that they won't argue.
the final experiment already destroyed it, actaully sky story pointed out how one of them was a FE who was in fact called a shill by his cult members by actaully going. i know who he is talking about and the guy is not happy about it (the flerf) i think he is slowly going to turn into a normal person hopevully
Why do we care if some idiots claim the earth is flat? All this attention and debunking is feeding the stupidity.
Just ignore them.
The three test that break flat earth are: an IQ test, an elementary school math test, and and a junior high school physics test.
Success on those means you will never be a flat earther. Simple as pie.
To be fair... I would probably fail a Jr. High school physics test. But I also believe the earth is a ball... So nothing lost there. ;)
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Such as the physics of water? The second law of Thermodynamics? The inverse square law of light?
To believe in a spinning ball earth you must deny these natural laws and have to claim that water bends, you can have gas pressure without containment and we can see millions of buzz lightyears away🤣😂🤣
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@TrueEarthCherryPopper water does bend around the earth's center of gravity. Earth's gravity also contains the gas which is most dense at the ground and dissapates as you get further and further from earth's center of gravity.
This mechanic is perfectly modelled and predicted on the globe model.
Try again.
@TrueEarthCherryPopper the nature of air REQUIRES that gravity is the container. If there was a dome (physical barrier) containing the air, then the air pressure would be constant and would not be denser closer to the ground. The fact that air pressure decreases with altitude confirms that gravity is the container not some magical glass sphere.
You cannot use facts and logic to change the mind of someone who did not use facts and logic to reach their position.
Honestly, for me, a flat earth is the biggest nonsense I've ever heard in my life.
U r well trained.. Having nations of sheep that consider believing their eyes and senses insane is a dream... If we live on a ultra fast waterball that would be obvious just like its obvious we live on a flat and stationary plane..
👍 +1
@valentinibori9514
i can walk and jump in a plane or train without getting smashed against the rear wall while 200 kmh
Thats not by chance.
@@shremich4583 You might as well be trying to explain relativity to a vegetable.
"Have the courage to face reality. Test your beliefs"... Never truer words spoken.
For flatearthers it's more like: "Any post-kindergarten scientific knowledge is indistinguishable from magic."
I am a very active astrophotographer and also have met a few otherwise normal sensible people who have gone down this rabbit hole. Not dumb or malicious, simply attracted to conspiracies and not very interested in testing them. Unfortunately once you have that predilection social media will keep on feeding you similar content. About 12 months a go I clicked on a few sites that referenced 'little green men. The first was about the famous astrophysicist Jocelyn Bell and her discovery of pulsars and her joke where she referred to their signature radio signature as little green men. The second was another astrophotographer who was making jokes at the expense of the conspiracy theorists. The various social media feeds had increased the UFO related content in my feeds to nearly 50 percent within a week and it was mostly garbage. I can easily see why the various conspiracy theorists can have their views affirmed.
Perhaps we need to rethink our attitudes to flows of information that don't come with accountability.
We all have personal accountability.
@@tysondog843 agree it works both ways..
For those who buy into vast conspiracies on a global scale, this little quip might give food for thought:
A secret can be held by three people if two are dead.
I've seen the horizon curvature from 39,000'. And with a simple straightedge verified the considerable horizon dip as revealed by simultaneously sighting through opposite cabin windows.
Short of buying any astro gear, one could see if an astronomy club is holding a public outreach event. Directly seeing even a few celestial sights through a telescope can be revelatory for those who've never done so before.
I've thought about encouraging flerfs to attend meetings of their local astronomy clubs, but I don't want to inflict flerfers on serious hobbyists who just want to enjoy the night sky.
I always tell them to take a class on celestial navigation, then ask the instructor how it would work if the Earth was Flat.
Your claims of observing curve through plane windows has been disproven by observations on the runway showing curve from those windows creating the optical effect.
@@Semper_Fish To be sure, jetliner cabin windows are hardly of optical quality. And they can and do induce small scale distortions. But on the scale of many tens of degrees of field angle they will not induce a smoothly varying deformation that would render a straight line curved to such a uniformly varying degree. I have taken scores of flights in a variety of aircraft, viewing and photographing through cabin windows. There is a considerable variation in quality, and I can recognize a better specimen. Which is why I can state with confidence that I wasn't misled by any distortions, particularly of such large scale. Why? Because in order to do so the window would be required to exhibit the cross section of a lens, smoothly varying in thickness to be either thicker or thinner in the middle. Such windows do not possess even close to enough of such global thickness variation to induce such distortion, which moreover would cause the focus of the external world to be altered. But a camera set to known infinity focus will reliably obtain good focus on distant scenery (disregarding some potential, localized aberration/defocus due to small scale irregularities.)
And before you point out that the windows are curved as flush portions conformal to the cylindrical fuselage, be aware that this will not cause the kind of distortion you might wish to invoke. As long as the material of the window is of reasonably uniform thickness, the optical power of such a gently curved, plane parallel window is utterly negligible. That dog won't hunt here.
I'll mention that I have worked as a professional optician, fabricating precision lenses and mirrors for industry and astronomy. (The single biggest piece was a 1 meter diameter mirror for laser sounding the atmosphere, which weighed about 250kg.) I do have a thorough understanding of optical aberrations and distortion. I'm well past being an armchair commentator where optics is concerned. 😉
@glennledrew8347 *Speaking of death why doesn't NASA just admit that the Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead? They look stupid pretending they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun even though it is furthest from the core. Anybody tells me that a virgin had a baby I automatically know that the exact opposite of whatever they say is the truth. Simple.*
Venus is always reasonably close to the sun and it's phases and size differences coencide completely with a planet orbiting the sun (inside our orbit). 😂 Space is real and ANYONE can see this by watching Venus a few months spart with a small telescope (FOCUSED). 🎉
Strange how all the flat earth "models" don't include Venus or Mercury, since they can be observed transiting in front of the sun, so surely they must be inside the "dome" with us somewhere?
@@MrEjwheelerDoesn't "explain" Venus phases. 😂
Here's another experiment:
Same Latitude. Same day of the Year. High Noon. Different Longitudes. Measure the shadow.
Go to particular latitude on a particular day in the year. (You could coordinate it with others, or you can plan the travel yourself over the course of a year or two.)
At different longitudes along that Latitude line, and at High Noon for the latitude, measure the shadow cast by a uniformly shaped object, like a ruler, and compare the differences. You can, instead, also incorporate math on objects whose height you can measure and work out the angle.
If they are longer the further north and south of the equator you go, then Earth is a globe. (Historical note: this is how scientists and philosophers before them figured out the Earth is a globe hundreds and even thousands of years before space flight.)
Great video - well done!
*No pictures of Jesus?*
Measuring the angle of the sun’s shadows from 2 or more locations on the solstice will be a good test of the flat earth. If the earth is flat and the sun is close, the angles will all make a right triangle and point to the same place in the sky. If the earth is round and the sun is far away, then the angles will all make parallel lines when the curve of the earth is introduced. The result of this experiment is that earth cannot be flat because the angles from a curved surface cannot point to the same spot in the sky if the sun is close and local as they claim.
FE:
I believe I am having a meal. I am looking at pictures of it.
Me:
I know I am having a meal. I am looking at my plate.
Yesterday I added a comment to this video. This morning the algorithm has steered 2 flat earth videos into my feed. If I was silly enough to click on one I think we know what will happen by tomorrow...
@02:26 To me it doesn't look like horse's head, but like the head/neck of an angry turtle emerging from some waters, looking at the camera (two nostril holes in the center)
He’s not wrong 💁♂️
Flerfs, remember not to launch your weather balloon into a flight path... Assuming that you believe that aeroplanes and weather balloons can actually fly, even though they're heavier than air.
Beautiful pictures.
Another really cheap way to not just tell that the earth is round but to measure it.
Call a friend somewhere in the south or north. Use google to measure the distance between yourselves.
You and your friend can then put a pole in a 90 degrees with the floor and measure its height and shadow.
With the two angles of the shadows, you can calculate earth's circumference.
Imagine how much money you'd make as a flat Earther if you went to Antarctica to show the earth to be flat. You'd be a God and could charge money for the evidence and story.
I keep asking them to send up a weather balloon to take pictures of the flat Earth, or to get photos of the edge/underside of the flat Earth that aren't CGI, but they just get mad at me.
EQ6R-PRO is a phenomenal mount. I have a Zenithstar 73 on mine. I am considering a second hand 6SE.
WHY do people continue to argue with stupid individuals who deny that the round Earth has been proven time and time again?! It's a moot point.
Wow, what a great image of the Flaming Star. I've always used a smaller scope to get the full "7" shape into the image field, but have never been that impressed with it. Now you've inspired me to go after it with my TEC 160FL, to really get into that detail you've shown.
Nice work with the processing as well.
*Can you see Jesus up there with that thing? We are supposed to believe that too, right?*
Anything that threatens their cult is immediately fake and any attempt to actually do this would be considered heresy.
Galileo had this problem with the elders of the local Catholic Church. He wanted to show them the four largest moons of Jupiter with his telescope, but they refused to even look because the very act of putting eye to eye-piece would be an admission of a lack of faith. The policy of the time was that nothing could exist in the sky that couldn't be seen with the naked eye; every visible object in the sky was intended to benefit mankind.
Great, great photos! Thank you Sky Story.
*Where's the photos of gods castle in the clouds with all the angels and saints? No photos of heavens gate. Oh my bad, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics proves all of the dead are inside of the Sun.*
that 3rd picture is very cool. keep up the good work, no use in wasting time arguing with people who cant accept reality.
But, but... Calling my "conspiracy" a "conspiracy"... IS a "conspiracy"! 🤣🤣🤣
Fair Play Sky Story, you quite eloquently have clearly pointed out the how-to for those with a major misunderstanding of reality to check for themselves, but like you mentioned. It means their entire beliefs system to the nature of their limited/basic understanding of the world they live in wouldn't fit to the narrative they perceive to be fact...
I'm with you Sky Story, I've been into astronomy and astrophotography for many years. Had countless run ins with FEs etc,,, just think of them as as I do, people who only just understand how to use a crayon, with the IQ to match...
P. S some nice images, really liked the horsehead nebula 💯👍
Easy way for one to check the curve: drive North or south. Go on a road trip and each day log the position of the sun and moon. As you drive south you’ll see the moon rotate, the star constellations change, and the angles to change. All only possible on a globe
Too much reasoning and logic for a flerfer.
@ I’ve suggested that they just do a Skype call with as many people around the world as possible to simultaneously compare skies. They never even accept that challenge; they do everything possible to avoid doing any science at all
1.Circle the water and all the oceans.
2.Pressurized air versus vacuum in infinite space.
3.From Russia to America, travel east, it's closer, they touch, right on the globe?
4.The horizon rises to the level of the eye, no matter how high we are.
5.Antarctic Treaty and NASA, UN map.
I don´t really get, what you are trying to express with this erratic list of statements without conclusion.
Please be a little bit more specific.
1. Yes, the oceans curve (or circle, like you wrote) arounde the globe. So what?
2. Yes, there is air pressure at sea level on earth. It declines, the higher you get, until you reach the near vacuum in infinite space. So what?
3. Russia and Americe (but i guess, you actually meant the USA) are both very big countries in longitude and latitude. The direction with the shortest distance depends on, where you like to start and where to stop. So what?
4. No, the horizon measurably does not rise to eye level, when you gain altitude. Please do some serious research.
5. Yes, there is an Antarctic Treaty, yes there is a NASA and yes, there is a UN map (if you are aiming at the UN logo, based on an azimuthal, equidistant projection of the globe). So what?
Again, what do you want to tell us by your comment?
So you believe the FE lie that someone in New Zealand can see over 6,000 miles further than someone in Canada?
That shows how ignorant you are. FE is dead.
@@Tanaquil_de_Lammerfors ONE SIDE OF MOON,VAN ALEN CIRCLES,BRITANICA 1958,ROCKAFELER PLATO,
@@butchertattoo3912 Your comments are getting more and more confused.
First of all, no cause of using capitals (in the internet, this is sometimes taken as yelling and as not very respectful).
One side of the moon? Yes, the moon is in tidal locking to the earth, so there is always the same side directed towards us. What about it?
Van Alen circles? I guess, you meant the Van Allen radiation belt around earth. What about it?
Britanica 1958? Maybe you mean the Encyclopedia britannica from 1958? What about it?
Rockafeler plato? Maybe you mean the Rockefeller plateau in antarctica, discovered 1934 by Richard E. Byrd? What about it?
I really like riddles, but this is just nonsense...
@@Tanaquil_de_Lammerfors I think our Flat Earthling is trying to convey that the "BRITANICA 1958" is referring to a cherry-picked reference to the word 'dome' that is 13,000 feet high on the Antarctic continent. It was all the rage a month or two ago.
You can also just use two laser levels at a reasonable distance from each other at slightly different heights to see if they remain parallel or intersect. If the Earth is actually flat, they will always remain parallel. But get them far enough apart and sure enough, no they don't remain parallel.
Hey! That as been my argument since 2016:
"You don't understand the sky."
*has
Don't sell yourself short. Your photos are spectacular. And while anyone can do it, getting photos like you are showing does take considerable skill and experience. It is getting easier though with these smart scopes like the Dwarf. And those run around $500.
Great job! I'm glad I found your channel so I can learn how to photography those deep sky objects.
*Can't see gods castle in the clouds or any angels flying around with harps, which the system heartily endorses as well.*
Makes me chuckle how they get upset and wonder why nobody takes them serious.
@davehoward22 *And a virgin had a baby, right pal?*
Flat earthers will claim the equipment bought comes with fake images installed in them to seem as if you're looking into space when you're actually not😢
Someone should tell them Satan invented the P900 camera. Watch them freak out! LOL
We hear their chorus, "do your own research". Yet, somehow, they never do.
Flerfs: "Do your own research"
TFE...........
Flerfs: "No! No! No! Not like that"
@bulwinkle *Did you take your Xmas tree down yet, Mr Scientist?*
Oh wow!! These are awe-inspiring captures! 😮 Simply stunning! 😮 Why can't the flat earth folk see that reality is so much more beautiful and exciting than the fiction they tell themselves?!
One of the main flat earthers' arguments is that the Earth curvature as seen from high altitudes is the result of the design of all modern cameras. Inherent fish eye flaw, as I understand they say. It would be good if some camera manufacturer or other camera expert publicly debunked this belief with technical explanation.
Fisheye lens vs Rectilinear lens. Simple as that.
Even a good explanation won't satisfy them.
Counter with their eyeballs are round therefore you can't see flat.
I like how Flerfs think their handheld camera should be able to show just as much detail on Mars or Jupiter as a $10K telescope with a $10K mount.
Actually, you can get pretty good detail out of a $600 8" Dob, but they are massive and obviously gather more light(detail) than a handheld camera.
But it does make you wonder WHY they think people DO drop well into the 5 figures for the telescope, mount and imaging equipment to get stunning pictures of planets and deeps sky objects like Galaxies and Nebula, if all you need is a handheld camera to image outer space, LMAO.
But the problem is that even if youspell everything out slowly, flerfs will still not get it. If you can believe "dee erf flat and space fake", you cannot grasp basic geometry and math, and therefore any attempt at education is futile.
I had no idea there was a "space is fake" cult. I only once heard a flat-earther say that space was fake, and I thought he was the only person alive who actually made such a claim.
Lots of them think this. They also don't believe in gravity...
There's a lot of overlap between flerfers, moon landing deniers, and space-is-faker-ers.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee and anti-vax, and "chemtrails", and 9-11 twoofers, and any other moronic "theory" someone comes up with
@@briansomething5987 Don't forget Young Earth Creationists, Tartaria Empire/Mudflood aficionados and Lizard People!
@@robadams1645 I wonder, do they say this because there's some pseudoscientific way they can make everything work without gravity and space? Or is it more that they're just challenging themselves to see how much absolute bull spit they can make up before people stop taking them seriously?
Fascinating video, thank you. I'm giving up watching Flerfers, I just can't be bothered with them any more. They will never do any of the three things you have suggested, because that would prove them wrong, and they don't want to know that. They are reality deniers.
Astrophotography: Clearly it is easier to believe that space is a giant hologram than it is to beleive that the Earth is round.
At the moment there is about four hundred thousand people working in the space industry. Do they really think that they are all lying about what they do
How does the sun work on a flat earth. Big difference between summer and winter
And the sun would never set.
Great pictures - and a nice commentary. Scientists and people who use rational logic tend to be nice, polite and generous. Cultists almost never. Can you imagine a wealthy flat earther spending a six figure sum to invite others to Antartica? Or a calm, reasoned discussion with Nathan Oakley or CC?
I don't know when this was recorded. on and around December 14 of 2024 . The final experiment took place. A team of glob believers and flat earthers filmed the 24 hour sun.
and the denying is going on.
green screen, staged in a studio, glas dome reflexions, …
instead accepting the fact, Earth is a Globe in the universe
It’s true. I have never for a moment been a space denier but recently I looked at Jupiter thru a not very powerful telescope and was completely blown away to realise that the 3 tiny white dots nearby were moons. ‘Far out’ I said out loud ‘it’s all real!’
Never had a doubt in my life but still, looking with your own eyes it hits very differently. Looked at Saturn too and was just able to make out the rings. Amazing.
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One thing I have said, one problem with the flerfs and their reality denial is that they miss out on such cool stuff. Like your case of the first time realizing you are seeing the moons of Jupiter - I've been in that situation, too, and it was so cool! Instead of being amazed, the reality denier is just going to blow it off as faked? Oh you are missing so much!
Same here. I bought a modest-sized telescope and pointed it at Saturn. When I adjusted the focus and saw the rings my heart leaped. The universe is an incredible, beautiful awe-inspiring place. To sit in your armchair sniping at others and calling 'fake' is such a waste of a life.
@@flowingafterglow629 everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing. Your imagination is the only reason you thing they are far away places.
When I went to Australia many years ago, I got to see the Southern Cross...it looks so close you could almost touch it.
Too bad Flat Earthlings are missing out on these amazing things.
@@JoeLin-v5i "everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing."
Not true. When I was in Australia the moon appeared to be 'upside-down'. I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing a handstand. If I had my telescope, I'd bet the planets would appear to be in a different orientation as well.
I am working on my own Arduino star stracker right now. It is surprisingly difficult considering how simple the concept is. Although much of that is because of extra functionality I want to add. All of the calculations I have had to use so far, are completely based on a globe. Not to mention specifically having to take gravity into account. Flerfs are sadly broken into two groups. The wildly ignorant and the grifters.
Woah, nice DIY works
Your images are beautiful and I am sure they are genuine, but ironically, you are right, technologies nowadays is so advanced, any conspiracists would say they are CGI and say "Nuh uh".
Flat earthers will now ask me, "Why do you think those images are genuine?"... Simple, "Sky Story" said it, everybody could easily repeat the same experience and produce the same results.... Well, except people from UK, always cloudy out there ;-)
Sadly, you are absolutely right. Any flat earther could repeat this for themselves and shoot these images. Or they could do any of these experiments for themselves. To my knowledge, every single flat earther who replied simply said: No, it can't work because x. Which is why they are classifiable as a cult. They have no interest in testing anything that might challenge the story they want to believe. They will fit the facts to the cult or reject them.
Antarctica; Not only does it rarely rain or snow, but the air there hardly holds moisture; cold air carries less moisture than warm air. Relative humidity in Antarctica can be as low as 1%! For comparison, the relative humidity of a "dry" winter day in the Northeastern United States is typically 20-25%.
When you breathe out in cold air, you can see steam because of a process called condensation:
Explanation
"It's a fact" .When you exhale, the warm, moist air from your breath meets cold air, which lowers the temperature of the breath. The cold air can't hold as much moisture as warm air, so the water vapor in your breath turns into liquid water droplets, which you see as a cloud or steam.
"It's a fact" is an informal expression that emphasizes the truth or correctness of a statement. For example, "We aren't playing well as a team, and that's a fact".
that's a fact".. F00L ST0P.......?
Those are awesome images. You did a great job
A flat earth can't even focus his Nikon P900, so it becomes magical to collimate the mirrors of a telescope so that is that.
Nice photos though.
Do the flirthers know that when they see the sun set they can simply call people in the next time zone and have them confirm the arc continues in a straight line till it rises on the opposite horizon having never moved in a curving way to reach its new position? I mean seriously. We all know what a circle looks like. Does the sun curve as it crosses the sky at any point? Or does it draw a perfect straight line no matter who sees it rise? Does it EVER move in a circle? Ever? How exactly do flirthers expect us to believe what no one sees or witnesses.🙄
thanks for pounding the flat earthers flat in this particular way, but also,
thanks for sharing those beautiful images.
Nice setup, and beautiful pictures. Good work👍
A few bucks and minimal crafting tools and skill will do: Get a "smoked glass", the kind used to watch eclipses. Ue a glazer's "diamond" to score a number of parallel lines about 6-7mm (1/4'' for you colonials) apart on it. Mount it crosswise on one end of a 600mm (24'') long piece of wood, and screw an eye bolt or similar into the other end, so you can look through it toward the glass. Go out at dawn on a clear day, and point the device toward the sun, noting how big it is relative to your scoring marks. Do this at noon, in the afternoon, just before sunset, and as many times you feel like.
Compare the relative sizes of the sun... I predict you will find no noticeable difference there. The only model under which this will be the case, is one where the sun is really big and far, far away.
Now go and find yourself a flat earf "model" that doesn't contradict your own direct observations... Have a nice day :)
(Yes, you could do this with a "pinhole box" but someone could claim it's "not direct observations"... Further, an educator could refine the prediction and require the students either guess or calculate the size ahead of time (It'll be around 13mm or 1/2'', the size of your pinky nail at arm's length), and offer a small prize for the person/group that gets closest).
A gang of cultists can pool their cash for good quality gear and do the research together. But they won't. It takes courage and emotional maturity to accept a painful truth over a comfortable delusion.
When I saw Saturn and the rings with very basic telescope. I mean the rings couldn't go around flat object. It's amazing!
Someone tell "CC Chris from Westchester County" to buy a telescope instead of using his P900. Since CC thinks space is fake and the stars are just lights in the dome.