Great review of a critical piece of kit. My older Schaller's are still going strong but had some doubts about the new system which you've put to rest. Great work and thanks for taking the time to do such a thorough rundown 👍
I'm a huge procrastinator but I finally went out and bought them today and watched your video again as I did it. It helped reduce the stress LOL and I got everything installed perfectly. Thanks again.
Just got a new Strat and purchased the Schaller S-Locks for the strap. I have a thick strap and the extra length on the post will definitely work better. These locks have a heavy-duty feel to them and they look really good. Glad I watched this video on the install. Thanks!
I bought a set of these today and installed them in my Les Paul...took 5 minutes start to finish. I prefer the Allen also since I already have a set in my kit and they don't strip nearly as easy as a philips screw. I like that the screw and bud are one piece, so there's no losing a screw or having to find and use a wrong size screw down the road. The screw stays with life of the unit so that's a bonus. Also I like the fat screws and aggressive thread so it bites into previous holes and holds snug. Very good quality metal, and as the guy states they look like a quality unit. Also looking at the coating I don't think these will rust or corrode as easily as the previous version so hopefully they will look just as good after 50 sweaty shows as they do day one. Nice job Schaller.
I'm just starting my electric guitar journey (at 52) and I have a Gibson Studio Les Paul and I bought a set of the Schaller S-locks in black. I was scared to death and put if off for a while but I done a search here on RUclips and I was lucky enough to find your how to video! Man you made my project way easier than I thought it would be. Thanks so much for the video man and you now have a new Subscriber! Cheers!
I prefer Allen screws. I've had too many stripped heads on cheap Phillips screws (yes I was using the right size driver and no I wasn't over tightening, just before anyone says anything). I don't know if it's all down to the design or if manufacturers are more likely to skimp on materials when using Phillips screws, but I've never had any issues with an Allen screw.
You can also get screwdriver sets with allen heads and star heads... both of which are better than flat heads and philips heads for avoiding stripped screws.
Hey! I bought a pack of these for my birthday, which is this month on the 26th!!! I haven’t installed them yet but I wanted to post this to just say I bought them. I’m gonna update this comment when I put the locks on
The video from Schaller does now give the Allen wrench sizes. But you need 3 different tools. A 3mm and a 2mm Allen wrench and a jewellers flat blade screwdriver. I suspect they use the Allen wrench over the Philips screwdriver since the Allen wrench allows the use of the natural lever rather than pressing hard with a screwdriver when it may slip and damage the finish.
The Schaller video explains all the things you queried. It does tell you what size tools you need & the reason for the Allen key is because the screw is no longer separate, it is a moulded part of the button. It also shows that you can put a tool through a side hole on the ring to tighten firmly onto the strap before finalising with the small screw.
For anyone watching this still, Schaller has the full installation instructions including all of the size tools needed on the product page, just scroll down.
Yeah, I've got a 335 and the neck horn button was much harder to screw in, almost tempted to pre-drill a larger hole but went on a wing and a prayer it would go ok. And it did work. The back button was much easier to screw in. Needless to say, I won't be swapping back to the original buttons if I ever sell my guitar. One down side? The added length of the button ate up all the spare space at the bottom of my case, hope it doesn't stress the case and punch through.
Are you leaving the strap attached in the case? If you are don't do that, the strap will ruin your finish and it could cause extra stress from the case with with it attached
I know this is an old video, but I have both the new s-lock and the older Schaller security locks here still in the packages. The new pre-attatched screws are 1/16" longer but they're also thicker by .028" and they're coarse threaded instead of fine. The new screw also has a 3/16th" long unthreaded section at the base (like a traditional wood screw) that is as thick as the threads, instead of between the threads. Meaning, you might want to counterbore the hole with about a 9/64" bit, 3/16" deep. Maybe they just made it a bigger screw in case your hole was already stripped. The new strap attachment part is nicer for sure. (This vintage copper finished set looks super nice!) It would be nice to still get the original buttons to not have to change to coarse threads.
finally! I have had these new S locks sitting around for a year. I could not tell how they were supposed to screw in. Allen keys of course. They are now on my axe finally. VERY STRONG LOCKS. The revamp to the S locks is very good and they work with my guitars that have the older strap buttons.
Next time, beeswax. Lubes the threads, protects the wood and finish, and acts as a sort of non-destructive thread locker after it sets for some time. Removal is also just as easy as the friction from rotating the screw heats the wax while still protecting the threads, wood and finish.
I bought them the other day and installed them on my Les Paul. I seemed to have a harder time with the one up near the fretboard and it seems like it sits slightly sideways. I tried taking it out and putting it in another 2 times but it still looks slightly sideways. I used a metric #3 allen wrench like you did
I forced the neck-heal screw straight into my $5000 Gibson Les Paul custom it's been a year now and tight as hell. Don't be scared. people who say the wood cracks and needing to drill they don't know what the hell they're talking about. The new Schaller is fantastic in terms of quality and design. The bottom was a bit loose I inserted toothpick (no glue) and been tight ever since. Great demo except didn't show the difference in length and girth between original and Schaller screws would've been more visually useful. Thanks
If the allen wrench bothers you to much just pick up a creep set of T-handle long allen wrenches. Easy to grip and to turn..at Value or harbour freight you can get a small set for about $5-$10. OR just pick up a #3 bit for your magnetic screwdriver. Good video bro! 😁👍✌️
Are the 4mm button screws always bigger than rhe original Epi/Gib button screws? I'm afraid to force the Schaller button in because my Epi Prophecy button screw is visibly smaller
@@geekwalker1 I just switched from Dunlop to Schaller. After the Duncans randomly gave out twice in one rehearsal, and thank heavens I caught the neck both times...didn't want to continue pressing my luck. Proactively choosing the extra security the Schallers offer...and gotta say, they attach much nicer, strap to button.
Check out my Schaller S-Locks installation video, here: ruclips.net/video/vaCdFPJeplg/видео.html I watched the video that Schaller put out, for the introduction of the new S-Locks, it explained all of their new design and engineering that went into the new straplocks. It definitely helped with the installation, and understanding what Schaller is trying to do with their 'upgraded' straplocks.
The #3 Metric Allen wrench is the same size as for a Floyd Rose locking clamp, btw. Schaller makes the Floyds and that probably factored in to that sizing.
Compare removed Phillips screw with new strap lock screw for length and thickness. Same length and width you are golden. If new strap lock screws are longer evaluate if guitar hole needs be lengthen also you do not need use oversized bit to drill hole deeper. A guitar tech told me to run new strap lock screws into a bar soap first to lube screw threads
I just installed the new style strap locks. I installed as mentioned in my comment but I noticed one thing during installation. The guitar installation was Gibson LP Studio. The tail strap post factory screw us thicker and longer than the upper strap post. I took a thin stick stuck it into the upper strap post hole and gaged it’s length. Fortunately it was drill (at the factory) deep enough. I did run the new screws into a bar of soap to lube the threads. Then installed into upper strap post hole. All that to say this. It seems to me if you have an issue it might be at the upper Strap post hole. Take your time and compare and check lengths old and new. If you can I would use a T handle Allen wrench. You can get better alignment and drive from this tool. Good Luck!
i have an epiphone les paul and a gibson les paul. these locks do not seem to fit the threads from my guitars and start to make "cracking" noises when attempting to install them. I gently attempted to screw them in to make sure it fit correctly which it didnt. any idea why the threads would be different if they're supposed to fit both my les pauls?
@@sillennium do your threads fit fine on the guitars without any "cracking" noise? Im just really concerned I'll ruin the guitar if the threads on my locks aren't correct lol
I prefer the GSES over these but the install of the GSES much more difficult to complete. The 5.5 gram charge casing and ejection port has to go into the body of the guitar, and a cable lead needs to be drilled for the 'Pull To Eject' tab. A doubler needs to be made for the bottom peg with the extra support concentrated aft of the bottom peg, this requires cold riveting in extra 0.32 aluminum plate. Total man hours for installation is around 22. (Engineering approval has to be done ahead of time for all acoustics.) Final inspection and testing about an hour. (Then there's the paperwork, in triplicate, to fill out every time the cable is pulled.) However nothing ends a show like a big bang guitar strap exit! The Guitar Strap Ejection System only costs $2995. Illegal in most states and provinces.
Did anyone have to do any pre-drilling? I am planning to puts these on a Jackson Soloist with stock strap buttons already installed. With Dunlap strap locks they suggest pre drilling at a particular width and depth. I bought the shallers specifically because they are going on a thick leather strap
I would say you could test it out and if it is too tight you might need to drill but i have installed on 10 guitars maybe and drilling needed. It can tight so wax or a simple lubricant can't help a bit
@@sillennium Thanks. This all went fine. No drilling required and I liked the overall way these things go together. That said, I still think Schaller should do what dunlap does and suggest a bit size and depth. Then if the bit is basically going through the original bore without taking out further wood, you know pre-drilling is not required.
The reason for the allen/hex key instead of a Phillips head is torque. You put a lot of torque on those screws getting them in. With the right size hex key the likelihood of stripping the screw that is integral to the button is greatly minimized. A Phillips head even with the right size is easily stripped. I just installed them on my bass and love them.
Gibson issued me a leather gig back with my Les Paul Studio which I still have, but I purchased a Gator TSA Flight case that is molded to fit Les Paul guitars. In step 1, is the Schaller nut about the same size or slightly smaller than the Gibson strap button? It looks like it's about the same size so I shouldn't have a problem. I have a rather expensive custom leather guitar strap that I take off of the guitar each time after playing.
@@sillennium Thanks a lot man! Yeah I have a 2020 wine red studio. I just ordered these straplocks thanks to your review as well as consumer reviews they appear to be top dog.
You’ve always been able to pull them on without having to pull the button up. Been using Schaller strap locks for 25 years. On all my guitars now, the old version, not these new ones. I’m with you though, these look much better.
If you like the screwdriver method... use a 3mm bit in an interchangeable screwdriver or a t-handle allen wrench. Always, always lubricate the screws with bar soap or wax to make it easier to turn! If the hole is really too small, go one drill size up and enlarge the hole! Always test on a piece of scrap wood first! Every job requires the right tools and knowledge to have a good end result! Throw your guitar over you shoulder and Rock On!
Do these move the strap away from the horn as much as the Dunlop ones? I’m asking because I want to try to improve the balance on my P bass before installing lighter tuners.
The L shaped wrench is too unstable; I used a T handled Allen wrench to fit these on my guitar. The S Lock was held firmly by the Allen wrench and gives a more positive and secure drive then a screw driver. Less chance of damaging your guitar finish. I had to redrill the screw holes as the Allen screw was thicker than the old Phillips Screw. Makes a neater finish than the previous model with a separate washer and nut design.
The screws are thick, likely thicker than the screws in your guitar. I doubt they would be thinner than the PRS screws but I haven't put them on a PRS yet
I'm wondering how you like these after using them for a while. I just installed mine and find it hard to pull the pin out to release them. Perhaps it will get easier with time? Maybe I'll try a drop of Nut Sauce down the shaft. It seems like the spring is much stronger than needed.
Are you leaving the strap attached to your guitar in the case? Your strap will react with your guitar finish in the case and the lock could be a problem with damaging your guitar if your case gets hit right. I would avoid that.
The screws are self tappers and will cut a larger hole if the existing one is too small. I’d probably use an allen bit in a ratchet screwdriver for maximum ease of installation. Agree with you, that Allen wrench is a pain!
Torx screwdrivers work best whenever you have trouble with stubborn or stripped allen type screws or are afraid to hit the finish of the guitar while turning the allen wrench
I got some and have now realised that the screw on it is about 5 x the size of the screw on my kramer guitar. Maybe kramers are just weird but yeah, kinda sucks that i have to take them back now cus they have a permanent screw.
I love the facr that it uses allen wrench style. Much better grip, easier to distribute force. Worked on bicycles a lot an if you want precision you would not go with philips screws.
OBS OBS!!! Have had mine for 4 years now. They MUST be greased more than once. Lubricated mine a little too late. The metal was eaten up by the movements and now I have to buy new ones. They also unscrew the screw that goes into the guitar because the lock is part of the screw and without lubrication / grease it starts to unscrew from the movements. Mine are now completely eaten up and it's just luck that I didn't drop the guitar. I could flip the mount off with a little movement just.. FYI only
Definitely use some wax on screws especially if they're longer. I didn't use wax,it was difficult turn hex towards the end of screwing in, it made a popping noise but didn't damage anything visually or stip threads, could have been a disaster. I also take my strap off when storing in my case, the buttons stick out more than the originals,it may not fit or be too tight for comfort. "Use Wax On Screws!"
I don't understand why they did allen key for the strap buttons but then required an actual screwdriver to tighten the ring. It would be so much better if they required allen key for both or screw driver for both, so you're not switching tools all the time, or to make it a uniform experience.
I really want to use these cuz my strap and guitar don’t fit in my fender case and so I have to always keep taking my strap off every time I put my guitar away so if I use these it will click off and on easily enough hopefully. Will it fit inside with these strap buttons on the guitar? I’m scared of putting these on myself in case I split the wood or something.
@sillennium Update: Didn't strip the screw. But it was close. When I couldn't get it in any further, I unscrewed it, took it out, got it wet, and then screwed it back in, and it seemed to screw all the way a lot easier. no innuendo intended.
Allen wrenches do not slip like phillips screw drivers do much better. The reason you had trouble putting the button screws in is because if you check, the schaller screws are longer than the original button screws, you are cutting more new threads into the wood, another good idea, especially if the holes are a little worn !
Tried to install these on my sg .. the button by the bridge switched over flawlessly however the button behind the neck is way too long.. tried to find info online but no information anywhere.. any suggestions??
Here’s my tip. Get yourself a good allen screw set. If you are working on a 4k guitar you don’t want ur philips screwdriver to scratch your Gibson. So best choice to use the allen.
First. You should use a t bar or a screwdriver attachment for the fixings, but an Allen fixing? A star fitting would be safer. Then I’d have thought there should be a flat washer below the fixing ring to stop warping of the strap. Then don’t overtighten the ring as long as it nips up you can lock it then.
I'd honestly always plug the holes of the old holders before screwing in the new ones, to be certain they sit tight. Just make sure you chisel off the bit that stands out from the plug as you don't want too much excess material to be pushed in, creating TOO much tension. At least that's my layman's understanding.
So you would plug the whole and redrill it? Unless the new screw is smaller than the old one, thats completely unnecessary. You're creating a better chance of cracking the wood, destroying the finish.
I recently purchased these for my Gibson ES-339. The permanent screw is too long for my guitar however. I am very concerned with drilling deeper in fear of damaging the guitar. Any thoughts?
Zachary Norman I believe you can by the old strap buttons from schaller directly and use those. I think you can even buy the slock portion separate too.
allen metric 3 is the same size used for floyd rose systems i believe. so for me, i alwys have that allen wrench in my gig bag (as a floyd user) AND its much slimmer than a phillips screwdriver. making pre-gig adjustments becomes easier. that MAY be the reason
The "ONLY" change that was nice or needed was the longer threads for thicker straps! I'd rather be able to choose what ever screws I need for the buttons!
So, with the screw being built into the button it is simple and effective to just tighten it down using your finger. No need for an allen wrench or a Phillips screwdriver as long as your dominant hand came equiped with at least one finger and a thumb. I suppose if it's too tight a fit or you don't eat your Wheaties the Allen wrench may be required .
I am guessing you are leaving the strap attached. I am but surprised that wouldn't fit and it isn't good for your guitar. Straps ruin the finish and the added hardware could damage the strap button area if the guitar case drops. I would take the strap off for your guitars sake with it with out strap locks
@@sillennium I always store with straps on..habit..put the locking nuts back on..removed the strap...fits perfectly. Dude....I’m such an idiot. Thanks😂
I would have hardened the threads in the guitar by Original screw with super glue.. wood was pulling out of top hole. Super glue works amazing . Almost work like a steel insert.
If you have a mechanical screwdriver, mate, you could get yourself a 3mm hex bit; less finicky than using an allen key. I'm guessing that you didn't have to use the toothpick method with that set of strap locks?
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Try rubbing the threads of those screws on a bar of soap or a candle before screwing them in. It greatly reduces the friction.
Good tip
Great review of a critical piece of kit. My older Schaller's are still going strong but had some doubts about the new system which you've put to rest. Great work and thanks for taking the time to do such a thorough rundown 👍
Thank you for watching
Looks like a winner strap lock system. Thanks for sharing your information.
Boom you know it!
I'm a huge procrastinator but I finally went out and bought them today and watched your video again as I did it. It helped reduce the stress LOL and I got everything installed perfectly. Thanks again.
Good to hear
Just got a new Strat and purchased the Schaller S-Locks for the strap. I have a thick strap and the extra length on the post will definitely work better. These locks have a heavy-duty feel to them and they look really good. Glad I watched this video on the install. Thanks!
Thx, enjoy the new strat and slocks
I bought a set of these today and installed them in my Les Paul...took 5 minutes start to finish. I prefer the Allen also since I already have a set in my kit and they don't strip nearly as easy as a philips screw. I like that the screw and bud are one piece, so there's no losing a screw or having to find and use a wrong size screw down the road. The screw stays with life of the unit so that's a bonus. Also I like the fat screws and aggressive thread so it bites into previous holes and holds snug. Very good quality metal, and as the guy states they look like a quality unit. Also looking at the coating I don't think these will rust or corrode as easily as the previous version so hopefully they will look just as good after 50 sweaty shows as they do day one. Nice job Schaller.
Awesome news
I'm just starting my electric guitar journey (at 52) and I have a Gibson Studio Les Paul and I bought a set of the Schaller S-locks in black. I was scared to death and put if off for a while but I done a search here on RUclips and I was lucky enough to find your how to video! Man you made my project way easier than I thought it would be. Thanks so much for the video man and you now have a new Subscriber! Cheers!
Thank you! Appreciate your nice comments!!
I prefer Allen screws. I've had too many stripped heads on cheap Phillips screws (yes I was using the right size driver and no I wasn't over tightening, just before anyone says anything). I don't know if it's all down to the design or if manufacturers are more likely to skimp on materials when using Phillips screws, but I've never had any issues with an Allen screw.
napalmhardcore interesting may that is why they went this route
You are right Allen is the best, No stripping the head. They also look better .
The set screw should have been Allen also.
I like this too.... Crews get stripped out especially the cheap screws some guitar companies use!
You can also get screwdriver sets with allen heads and star heads... both of which are better than flat heads and philips heads for avoiding stripped screws.
Allen is great but if they're doing it with permanent screws I'm still not pleased.
Thank you! I came home with my new Schaller locks and followed your video step-by-step!
Wow, great to hear. Thx!!!
Hey! I bought a pack of these for my birthday, which is this month on the 26th!!! I haven’t installed them yet but I wanted to post this to just say I bought them. I’m gonna update this comment when I put the locks on
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Great video thank you.
I had pretty much figured it out before watching this video, I just wanted to watch someone else do it first.
Great video
Thx hope you like the locks!
Excellent, thanks! Watched your video a few days ago, and just received my S-Locks from Amazon just now.
Awesome enjoy
The video from Schaller does now give the Allen wrench sizes. But you need 3 different tools. A 3mm and a 2mm Allen wrench and a jewellers flat blade screwdriver. I suspect they use the Allen wrench over the Philips screwdriver since the Allen wrench allows the use of the natural lever rather than pressing hard with a screwdriver when it may slip and damage the finish.
Its any an easy install once you have done it before. Just added a new set on another guitar myself last week
The Schaller video explains all the things you queried. It does tell you what size tools you need & the reason for the Allen key is because the screw is no longer separate, it is a moulded part of the button. It also shows that you can put a tool through a side hole on the ring to tighten firmly onto the strap before finalising with the small screw.
Thx for watching
Great instructional video well presented concise and interesting.
Thx
Thanks for this uploader. Very helpful 😎👍
You are welcome
For anyone watching this still, Schaller has the full installation instructions including all of the size tools needed on the product page, just scroll down.
But they don't have such a sexy person explaining it to you like myself.
@@sillennium really now lol lol
@@bryanwoodring3547 not really lol
Greetings on completing an incredible simple operation and making it seems like a chirurgical wizardry.
Kudos.
I went to school for 6 years to be able to do this
Why you hating? Nice videos you have on this stuff...oh wait
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I bought a set of these for a Gretsch and I couldn’t figure out how they work for the life of me
Glad to help
Yeah, I've got a 335 and the neck horn button was much harder to screw in, almost tempted to pre-drill a larger hole but went on a wing and a prayer it would go ok. And it did work. The back button was much easier to screw in. Needless to say, I won't be swapping back to the original buttons if I ever sell my guitar. One down side? The added length of the button ate up all the spare space at the bottom of my case, hope it doesn't stress the case and punch through.
Are you leaving the strap attached in the case? If you are don't do that, the strap will ruin your finish and it could cause extra stress from the case with with it attached
I know this is an old video, but I have both the new s-lock and the older Schaller security locks here still in the packages. The new pre-attatched screws are 1/16" longer but they're also thicker by .028" and they're coarse threaded instead of fine. The new screw also has a 3/16th" long unthreaded section at the base (like a traditional wood screw) that is as thick as the threads, instead of between the threads. Meaning, you might want to counterbore the hole with about a 9/64" bit, 3/16" deep. Maybe they just made it a bigger screw in case your hole was already stripped. The new strap attachment part is nicer for sure. (This vintage copper finished set looks super nice!) It would be nice to still get the original buttons to not have to change to coarse threads.
For sure
Thanks for the video, just installed mine with ur help, they are fantastic, just got to learn more on guitar now 😀😀👍👍
Enjoy!!!
finally! I have had these new S locks sitting around for a year. I could not tell how they were supposed to screw in. Allen keys of course. They are now on my axe finally. VERY STRONG LOCKS. The revamp to the S locks is very good and they work with my guitars that have the older strap buttons.
Glad to see you dig them
Next time, beeswax. Lubes the threads, protects the wood and finish, and acts as a sort of non-destructive thread locker after it sets for some time. Removal is also just as easy as the friction from rotating the screw heats the wax while still protecting the threads, wood and finish.
Good idea!
Just got some for Christmas they're great and easy to install.
Awesome great stocking stuffers
I just picked up some gold ones for my bc rich mockingbird now I only need to get gold tuning pegs to match
Nice
@@sillennium I just don’t know if I want Grovers or fender locking ones and I want gold humbuckers
Go for it, make it your own
These fit perfectly into my 2002 epiphone les paul
Rock on!
I bought them the other day and installed them on my Les Paul. I seemed to have a harder time with the one up near the fretboard and it seems like it sits slightly sideways. I tried taking it out and putting it in another 2 times but it still looks slightly sideways. I used a metric #3 allen wrench like you did
The screws are a bit bigger than the gibson ones so they can be tight
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Heck yeah! Check out my video of American vs British amps... it's featured there
I forced the neck-heal screw straight into my $5000 Gibson Les Paul custom it's been a year now and tight as hell. Don't be scared. people who say the wood cracks and needing to drill they don't know what the hell they're talking about. The new Schaller is fantastic in terms of quality and design. The bottom was a bit loose I inserted toothpick (no glue) and been tight ever since. Great demo except didn't show the difference in length and girth between original and Schaller screws would've been more visually useful. Thanks
Thx for the feedback
Thanks Scott! Just what I needed.
Glad it helped!
sillennium it certainly did!
If the allen wrench bothers you to much just pick up a creep set of T-handle long allen wrenches. Easy to grip and to turn..at Value or harbour freight you can get a small set for about $5-$10.
OR just pick up a #3 bit for your magnetic screwdriver.
Good video bro! 😁👍✌️
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Are the 4mm button screws always bigger than rhe original Epi/Gib button screws? I'm afraid to force the Schaller button in because my Epi Prophecy button screw is visibly smaller
They are but you can buy smaller set on their website i have heard
God, how many years did it take Schiller to realize their strap locks couldn’t fit on thick leather straps? 😆
A few but now the new ones do
and the old ones came loose. The Jim Dunlop ones are still number 1 in the ratings on the internet.
@@geekwalker1 I just switched from Dunlop to Schaller. After the Duncans randomly gave out twice in one rehearsal, and thank heavens I caught the neck both times...didn't want to continue pressing my luck. Proactively choosing the extra security the Schallers offer...and gotta say, they attach much nicer, strap to button.
Check out my Schaller S-Locks installation video, here: ruclips.net/video/vaCdFPJeplg/видео.html
I watched the video that Schaller put out, for the introduction of the new S-Locks, it explained all of their new design and engineering that went into the new straplocks. It definitely helped with the installation, and understanding what Schaller is trying to do with their 'upgraded' straplocks.
The #3 Metric Allen wrench is the same size as for a Floyd Rose locking clamp, btw. Schaller makes the Floyds and that probably factored in to that sizing.
Yeah
I like the look of the allen hole vs the philips head
Cool!
Which you don't see.
Well maybe you need glasses
@@nv7620 Well, maybe the actual strap lock is in the way when in use.
Compare removed Phillips screw with new strap lock screw for length and thickness. Same length and width you are golden. If new strap lock screws are longer evaluate if guitar hole needs be lengthen also you do not need use oversized bit to drill hole deeper. A guitar tech told me to run new strap lock screws into a bar soap first to lube screw threads
Yep good tip
I just installed the new style strap locks. I installed as mentioned in my comment but I noticed one thing during installation. The guitar installation was Gibson LP Studio. The tail strap post factory screw us thicker and longer than the upper strap post. I took a thin stick stuck it into the upper strap post hole and gaged it’s length. Fortunately it was drill (at the factory) deep enough. I did run the new screws into a bar of soap to lube the threads. Then installed into upper strap post hole. All that to say this. It seems to me if you have an issue it might be at the upper Strap post hole. Take your time and compare and check lengths old and new. If you can I would use a T handle Allen wrench. You can get better alignment and drive from this tool. Good Luck!
Great review, well done!
Thx
i got a set and i love them in gold
🤘
i have an epiphone les paul and a gibson les paul. these locks do not seem to fit the threads from my guitars and start to make "cracking" noises when attempting to install them. I gently attempted to screw them in to make sure it fit correctly which it didnt. any idea why the threads would be different if they're supposed to fit both my les pauls?
I install them all the time gibsons and fenders and epiphone.
@@sillennium do your threads fit fine on the guitars without any "cracking" noise? Im just really concerned I'll ruin the guitar if the threads on my locks aren't correct lol
Yes they are tight yes, but works great.
Will the saddles fit older Schaller strap lock buttons? Are the new buttons the same design as the old ones?
Old straps and locks fit the new ones
I prefer the GSES over these but the install of the GSES much more difficult to complete. The 5.5 gram charge casing and ejection port has to go into the body of the guitar, and a cable lead needs to be drilled for the 'Pull To Eject' tab. A doubler needs to be made for the bottom peg with the extra support concentrated aft of the bottom peg, this requires cold riveting in extra 0.32 aluminum plate. Total man hours for installation is around 22. (Engineering approval has to be done ahead of time for all acoustics.) Final inspection and testing about an hour. (Then there's the paperwork, in triplicate, to fill out every time the cable is pulled.) However nothing ends a show like a big bang guitar strap exit! The Guitar Strap Ejection System only costs $2995. Illegal in most states and provinces.
You have too much time on your hands
Did anyone have to do any pre-drilling? I am planning to puts these on a Jackson Soloist with stock strap buttons already installed. With Dunlap strap locks they suggest pre drilling at a particular width and depth. I bought the shallers specifically because they are going on a thick leather strap
I would say you could test it out and if it is too tight you might need to drill but i have installed on 10 guitars maybe and drilling needed. It can tight so wax or a simple lubricant can't help a bit
@@sillennium Thanks. This all went fine. No drilling required and I liked the overall way these things go together. That said, I still think Schaller should do what dunlap does and suggest a bit size and depth. Then if the bit is basically going through the original bore without taking out further wood, you know pre-drilling is not required.
The reason for the allen/hex key instead of a Phillips head is torque. You put a lot of torque on those screws getting them in. With the right size hex key the likelihood of stripping the screw that is integral to the button is greatly minimized. A Phillips head even with the right size is easily stripped.
I just installed them on my bass and love them.
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Great locks. Thanks for review.
Thank you!
Gibson issued me a leather gig back with my Les Paul Studio which I still have, but I purchased a Gator TSA Flight case that is molded to fit Les Paul guitars. In step 1, is the Schaller nut about the same size or slightly smaller than the Gibson strap button? It looks like it's about the same size so I shouldn't have a problem. I have a rather expensive custom leather guitar strap that I take off of the guitar each time after playing.
The modern gibsons are close in size but the s-locks are just a bit thicker
@@sillennium Thanks a lot man! Yeah I have a 2020 wine red studio. I just ordered these straplocks thanks to your review as well as consumer reviews they appear to be top dog.
Allen head are superior to phillips from a strip out perspective. Great review!
Thank you!
Best demo of the Schallers I've seen; thank you! I agree they can do away with the Allen wrench and just have you use a Philips screwdriver.
Thx glad you enjoyed it
You’ve always been able to pull them on without having to pull the button up. Been using Schaller strap locks for 25 years. On all my guitars now, the old version, not these new ones. I’m with you though, these look much better.
Yep
If you like the screwdriver method... use a 3mm bit in an interchangeable screwdriver or a t-handle allen wrench. Always, always lubricate the screws with bar soap or wax to make it easier to turn! If the hole is really too small, go one drill size up and enlarge the hole! Always test on a piece of scrap wood first! Every job requires the right tools and knowledge to have a good end result! Throw your guitar over you shoulder and Rock On!
Thx for the thoughts
Do these move the strap away from the horn as much as the Dunlop ones? I’m asking because I want to try to improve the balance on my P bass before installing lighter tuners.
Yes very close to the same distance
The L shaped wrench is too unstable; I used a T handled Allen wrench to fit these on my guitar. The S Lock was held firmly by the Allen wrench and gives a more positive and secure drive then a screw driver. Less chance of damaging your guitar finish. I had to redrill the screw holes as the Allen screw was thicker than the old Phillips Screw. Makes a neater finish than the previous model with a separate washer and nut design.
Thx for your thoughts
Would these strap locks work on a PRS Tremonti? Wanna get these but unsure if the screws will fit
The screws are thick, likely thicker than the screws in your guitar. I doubt they would be thinner than the PRS screws but I haven't put them on a PRS yet
I'm wondering how you like these after using them for a while. I just installed mine and find it hard to pull the pin out to release them. Perhaps it will get easier with time? Maybe I'll try a drop of Nut Sauce down the shaft. It seems like the spring is much stronger than needed.
It was the same for me at first, but they are much easier to pull the pin now.
@@sillennium thanks for replying!
No need to drill holes? Is the new screw the same size as your old?
I think the schaller screw is a bit thicker than the original
I bought some and kinda dont like how long they are makes it hard to fit your axe in a fitted hard case etc
Are you leaving the strap attached to your guitar in the case? Your strap will react with your guitar finish in the case and the lock could be a problem with damaging your guitar if your case gets hit right. I would avoid that.
The screws are self tappers and will cut a larger hole if the existing one is too small. I’d probably use an allen bit in a ratchet screwdriver for maximum ease of installation. Agree with you, that Allen wrench is a pain!
Thx for your comment
you could get a #3 bit for a screw driver
Yes that is true. I have since gotten one. Don't forget to subscribe and thanks for watching.
Torx screwdrivers work best whenever you have trouble with stubborn or stripped allen type screws or are afraid to hit the finish of the guitar while turning the allen wrench
It’s not a TORX. How about owning hex head drivers. That’s the easiest way. Just sayin.
Yes they do
I got some and have now realised that the screw on it is about 5 x the size of the screw on my kramer guitar. Maybe kramers are just weird but yeah, kinda sucks that i have to take them back now cus they have a permanent screw.
Sorry to hear that
The allen is for head clearance reasons I would think.
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The official Schaller video clearly states a 3mm Allen key is required for installation.
Marcusesq schaller is a stupid company
well, it isn't it isn't in freedom units, so it doesn't exist in 'Murica
Does it? Or did they add it after i called them out
Are the screws longer then the previous ones?
I don't think so v if so just a bit
@@sillennium I was told dangerously long for a Martin D18 for example.
@@jasper_north i haven't put them on an acoustic so can't help you there
I love the facr that it uses allen wrench style. Much better grip, easier to distribute force. Worked on bicycles a lot an if you want precision you would not go with philips screws.
That is true
I've just bought a set and agree, now where the hell are my allen keys😮
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@@sillennium Allen key found, although they could have supplied one, and I agree, they're great.
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Have had mine for 4 years now. They MUST be greased more than once. Lubricated mine a little too late. The metal was eaten up by the movements and now I have to buy new ones. They also unscrew the screw that goes into the guitar because the lock is part of the screw and without lubrication / grease it starts to unscrew from the movements. Mine are now completely eaten up and it's just luck that I didn't drop the guitar. I could flip the mount off with a little movement just..
FYI only
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Definitely use some wax on screws especially if they're longer.
I didn't use wax,it was difficult turn hex towards the end of screwing in,
it made a popping noise but didn't damage anything visually or stip threads,
could have been a disaster. I also take my strap off when storing in my case,
the buttons stick out more than the originals,it may not fit or be too tight for comfort.
"Use Wax On Screws!"
Yeah wax helps, thx
@@sillennium Your welcome and thanks for the video helped a great deal
I don't understand why they did allen key for the strap buttons but then required an actual screwdriver to tighten the ring. It would be so much better if they required allen key for both or screw driver for both, so you're not switching tools all the time, or to make it a uniform experience.
Just makes it safer to use
Do those screws work on any guitar? Dont want to damage the wood
They should on the major brands but I am sure it is possible to find ones that they have issue going into.
@@sillennium thanks dude!
@@sillennium I want to put them on an Epiphone 335, what do you think captain? Good?
im ordering another set also
Awesome enjoy!
So, are they silent?
Yes
I really want to use these cuz my strap and guitar don’t fit in my fender case and so I have to always keep taking my strap off every time I put my guitar away so if I use these it will click off and on easily enough hopefully. Will it fit inside with these strap buttons on the guitar? I’m scared of putting these on myself in case I split the wood or something.
Yes you should to protect the guitar finish
Thank you!
You are welcome
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Thank you
I tried the 3 and it was slightly too small and may have stripped the screw.
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@sillennium Update: Didn't strip the screw. But it was close. When I couldn't get it in any further, I unscrewed it, took it out, got it wet, and then screwed it back in, and it seemed to screw all the way a lot easier. no innuendo intended.
Can I put these on a acoustic guitar?
Most likely not
Allen wrench are less prone to striping as opposed to a Phillips head.
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Allen wrenches do not slip like phillips screw drivers do much better. The reason you had trouble putting the button screws in is because if you check, the schaller screws are longer than the original button screws, you are cutting more new threads into the wood, another good idea, especially if the holes are a little worn !
Thx for the comment
Cheers, mate!
Thx
Tried to install these on my sg .. the button by the bridge switched over flawlessly however the button behind the neck is way too long.. tried to find info online but no information anywhere.. any suggestions??
You will need to drill a bit deeper in your guitar. If you don't feel comfortable doing it take it to a repair tech
Here’s my tip. Get yourself a good allen screw set. If you are working on a 4k guitar you don’t want ur philips screwdriver to scratch your Gibson. So best choice to use the allen.
Ok
I have these...the only thing I don’t like is that there is no easy way to adjust the strap. I have to take the whole thing apart again
Do you change sizes regularly lol?
First. You should use a t bar or a screwdriver attachment for the fixings, but an Allen fixing? A star fitting would be safer. Then I’d have thought there should be a flat washer below the fixing ring to stop warping of the strap. Then don’t overtighten the ring as long as it nips up you can lock it then.
Thx for your comment and watching
I put a lil chapstick on the screw and it went in like a dream
Nice work
I'd honestly always plug the holes of the old holders before screwing in the new ones, to be certain they sit tight.
Just make sure you chisel off the bit that stands out from the plug as you don't want too much excess material to be pushed in, creating TOO much tension.
At least that's my layman's understanding.
Thx
So you would plug the whole and redrill it? Unless the new screw is smaller than the old one, thats completely unnecessary. You're creating a better chance of cracking the wood, destroying the finish.
Great video! With allen wrench, you have more torque!
Thx for watching
how long does it take to put two straplocks to a bass... forever
Not long 15 to 20 min
@@sillennium for bass players it would take forever.
I recently purchased these for my Gibson ES-339. The permanent screw is too long for my guitar however. I am very concerned with drilling deeper in fear of damaging the guitar. Any thoughts?
Zachary Norman I believe you can by the old strap buttons from schaller directly and use those. I think you can even buy the slock portion separate too.
allen metric 3 is the same size used for floyd rose systems i believe. so for me, i alwys have that allen wrench in my gig bag (as a floyd user) AND its much slimmer than a phillips screwdriver. making pre-gig adjustments becomes easier. that MAY be the reason
Robbie Valentine it could be who knows
Can you dig it?
You know I can
No you can't remove the screw
Does it not come with an allen key in the box?
SpeedforcePunch no it doesn't. You have use your own
On the video listed on the box...he most definitely DID say to use a 3mm Allen wrench.
Hmmm maybe
The "ONLY" change that was nice or needed was the longer threads for thicker straps! I'd rather be able to choose what ever screws I need for the buttons!
I wonder if their screws give it extra strength. Thx for watching
So, with the screw being built into the button it is simple and effective to just tighten it down using your finger. No need for an allen wrench or a Phillips screwdriver as long as your dominant hand came equiped with at least one finger and a thumb.
I suppose if it's too tight a fit or you don't eat your Wheaties the Allen wrench may be required .
Wheaties are needed or maybe wax
You should invest in an allen bit set and ratchet screwdriver
I have one now
They don’t fit in my Les Paul or Strat case once installed.
That's odd. I have never experienced that. Is it a true Fender or Gibson case?
@@sillennium the Gibson case is a Gibson...the strat case is a roadrunner...just cuz the locking pegs stick out so far
I am guessing you are leaving the strap attached. I am but surprised that wouldn't fit and it isn't good for your guitar. Straps ruin the finish and the added hardware could damage the strap button area if the guitar case drops. I would take the strap off for your guitars sake with it with out strap locks
@@sillennium worth a try
@@sillennium I always store with straps on..habit..put the locking nuts back on..removed the strap...fits perfectly. Dude....I’m such an idiot. Thanks😂
I would have hardened the threads in the guitar by Original screw with super glue.. wood was pulling out of top hole. Super glue works amazing . Almost work like a steel insert.
interesting idea.
The screw is tighter because it's a bit larger. Probably won't be able to use the smaller stock screws later. Surprised you didn't notice that.
Ok
Didn't compare screw lengths?
abe aberto are you asking if I compared the screw lengths?
hes really taking toi much time to put them on lol
I really like to be on camera
If you have a mechanical screwdriver, mate, you could get yourself a 3mm hex bit; less finicky than using an allen key.
I'm guessing that you didn't have to use the toothpick method with that set of strap locks?
I did not need tooth picks