Scotch-Brite Light Duty Hand Pad 6448 is your best friend for a flame sensor cleaning. Doesn't even look like they busted a knock out for any fresh air intake. Thing must be starving for air.
Through your videos you taught me when and how to clean flame sensor. I had to do that on my Trane propane furnace yesterday. What a pain in the ass to get to but I got it done! Thanks, from Indiana, for your videos!! Even though you would probably prefer I didn't and call a professional.....
All safety circuits go through jack pin plug to control board. If there is any issue like a pressure switch or flame sensor or limit etc the board should mandatory throw an LED diagnostic code. So.....if it was calling for heating and has the heart beat saying normal operation call for heat but did not work and threw no code means a failed control board everytime. Easy diagnostic.
I had an issue with my Trane package(gas pack) unit back in January. Super cold snap with icy roads had just started too. So getting help was at least initially out of the question. First thing I did was pull the flame sensor and clean it. Did not help. My unit was lighting the burners but instead of shutting off after only a few seconds I would get a flame for 10 -15 seconds. The unit would cycle this way for several minutes before resetting and then nothing. No error codes displayed. I pulled the flame sensor multiple times but no luck. Eventually what I determined, through trial and error, was it wasn't the flame sensor(flame rectification) itself but the flame sensor mount bracket. Enough corrosion between the unit frame and flame sensor mount bracket that it must not have had a good enough bond. I cleaned off the flame sensor mount bracket as well as the mounting area on the unit frame and that seemed to have fixed the issue. I eventually ordered a Trane replacement flame sensor that came with a nice shiny copper mount bracket and installed that one. But the issue stopped even before I installed the replacement flame sensor. Not sure why the mount bracket itself needs a ground bond since it is isolated from the flame sensor itself since it is mounted to the ceramic insulator.
Glad the customer had you replace the unit. I hope you made adjustments on the exit of the exhaust off the ground. Hackers did a great job hacking that install and service calls. Now they had an educational company to rely on for future services.
That exhaust looks a little funky at that first elbow Theodore. You may by correct about the pressure switch and it may clear after a reset. I’m thinking the condensate is collecting at that odd joint ( looks like it’s taped together). You’re right about ICP units being easy to work on and they are a real work horse too if installed properly. That one is not. Exhaust venting is incorrect, gas piping is suspect as well, they used a thread saver as a coupling. They also didn’t allow for enough combustion air. Those units require that there be one of the two” knock outs to be used to supply combustion air. They only knocked out the one for the exhaust. The opening for the gas line may not be adequate to provide enough air for combustion . That old control board was used in older ICP units. Knock out the other 2” knock out and your problem is solved for combustion air. You need to repair that crappy exhaust venting too.👍🇨🇦
Suffocated flame, I ran into this situation before where the customer complained of the same problem, but when I opened the the combustion door and ran the test fire, it worked just fine. Turns out the system was running a concentric kit and the home owner owner just had the roof done. The roofers cut off the flu cap ant it was sucking exhaust into the intake.
Love your videos. That furnace did not have enough combustion air. When installing as a one pipe system (i never do) you still need to bust out another two inch opening and install a 90 degree elbow for combustion air. thus why it ran better with the door off. Keep up with the videos.
I bought a house that came with one of those " made in hell" Hiel furnace's. What a pain in my behind. After a year of constant calls to the repairman I had to switch. Never again would I ever have one of those units in my home again.
My flame sensor has been in my Goodman furnace for 24 years without cleaning because I don’t have a 100 dollar bill, now I know you can use a 50 I’m that much closer to cleaning it. Just need to go down 2 more bills . Thank you
Many issues with this one Ted..replacing was the best outcome for this hack job..on those Rheem designs those traps are a window to the exchanger condition as well as running it with the combination door on..if that ignition goes off, something with the venting or draining is a wrong..let me guess the customer went with the cheapest option..lol..man they get what they pay for..
The install was crap but the furnace is fine. I dont see why it had to be replaced. The exaust is too long for the diameter of the pipe and termination needs to be fixed. Needs fresh air intake. And condensate line needs repair. Thats it. Other than that that furnace is working just fine.
oh dear, they have far more issues in that place, because I spied "vanguard" brand polybutylene tubing. hopefully you guys don't even breathe on it changing the furnace, because she'll probably start leaking at every fitting and possibly in the middle of nowhere just because it can(and does). a replumb is in their future, if they well water, it will hold up longer than city water, but it's on borrowed time.
Looks like they didn't even bother to knock one of the 3 factory option holes out. Maybe they were counting on the hole they chopped for the trap to be enough.
Bad control board when the board diagnostic says everything is hunkey dorey and obviously it's not. That's a bad board every time. Many other problems I'm sure.
Scotch-Brite Light Duty Hand Pad 6448 is your best friend for a flame sensor cleaning. Doesn't even look like they busted a knock out for any fresh air intake. Thing must be starving for air.
Through your videos you taught me when and how to clean flame sensor. I had to do that on my Trane propane furnace yesterday. What a pain in the ass to get to but I got it done! Thanks, from Indiana, for your videos!! Even though you would probably prefer I didn't and call a professional.....
All safety circuits go through jack pin plug to control board. If there is any issue like a pressure switch or flame sensor or limit etc the board should mandatory throw an LED diagnostic code. So.....if it was calling for heating and has the heart beat saying normal operation call for heat but did not work and threw no code means a failed control board everytime. Easy diagnostic.
I had an issue with my Trane package(gas pack) unit back in January. Super cold snap with icy roads had just started too. So getting help was at least initially out of the question. First thing I did was pull the flame sensor and clean it. Did not help. My unit was lighting the burners but instead of shutting off after only a few seconds I would get a flame for 10 -15 seconds. The unit would cycle this way for several minutes before resetting and then nothing. No error codes displayed. I pulled the flame sensor multiple times but no luck. Eventually what I determined, through trial and error, was it wasn't the flame sensor(flame rectification) itself but the flame sensor mount bracket. Enough corrosion between the unit frame and flame sensor mount bracket that it must not have had a good enough bond. I cleaned off the flame sensor mount bracket as well as the mounting area on the unit frame and that seemed to have fixed the issue. I eventually ordered a Trane replacement flame sensor that came with a nice shiny copper mount bracket and installed that one. But the issue stopped even before I installed the replacement flame sensor.
Not sure why the mount bracket itself needs a ground bond since it is isolated from the flame sensor itself since it is mounted to the ceramic insulator.
Glad the customer had you replace the unit. I hope you made adjustments on the exit of the exhaust off the ground. Hackers did a great job hacking that install and service calls. Now they had an educational company to rely on for future services.
4OT steel wool is a nice addition to a service kit
That exhaust looks a little funky at that first elbow Theodore. You may by correct about the pressure switch and it may clear after a reset. I’m thinking the condensate is collecting at that odd joint ( looks like it’s taped together). You’re right about ICP units being easy to work on and they are a real work horse too if installed properly. That one is not. Exhaust venting is incorrect, gas piping is suspect as well, they used a thread saver as a coupling. They also didn’t allow for enough combustion air. Those units require that there be one of the two” knock outs to be used to supply combustion air. They only knocked out the one for the exhaust. The opening for the gas line may not be adequate to provide enough air for combustion . That old control board was used in older ICP units. Knock out the other 2” knock out and your problem is solved for combustion air. You need to repair that crappy exhaust venting too.👍🇨🇦
Good job Ted, and i still get a smile when you arrive at the job, and close your squeeky drivers van door 👍 Au
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any of the knockouts knocked out for the combustion air intake, only the one for the exhaust.
yeah, previous installer looked like what you'd get from the town drunk for a couple cases of beer(after drinking a case). 🤣
Suffocated flame, I ran into this situation before where the customer complained of the same problem, but when I opened the the combustion door and ran the test fire, it worked just fine. Turns out the system was running a concentric kit and the home owner owner just had the roof done. The roofers cut off the flu cap ant it was sucking exhaust into the intake.
Love your videos. That furnace did not have enough combustion air. When installing as a one pipe system (i never do) you still need to bust out another two inch opening and install a 90 degree elbow for combustion air. thus why it ran better with the door off. Keep up with the videos.
That furnace has a bulliten on reamin out the pressure hole port on the inducer so water doesn't get into the pressure switch tube.
Where you working now ?? Service or install or what??
@@TedCookHVAC I work in appliances again. I couldn't handle the overtime with my family. I'm in your neighborhood quite a bit. Hope your doing well.
I bought a house that came with one of those " made in hell" Hiel furnace's. What a pain in my behind. After a year of constant calls to the repairman I had to switch. Never again would I ever have one of those units in my home again.
I do hate those furnaces Carrier heil tempstar Bryant payne daynnight comfort maker all the same pile of shit.
That's why Steve Lav wears Gloves.
My flame sensor has been in my Goodman furnace for 24 years without cleaning because I don’t have a 100 dollar bill, now I know you can use a 50 I’m that much closer to cleaning it. Just need to go down 2 more bills . Thank you
Many issues with this one Ted..replacing was the best outcome for this hack job..on those Rheem designs those traps are a window to the exchanger condition as well as running it with the combination door on..if that ignition goes off, something with the venting or draining is a wrong..let me guess the customer went with the cheapest option..lol..man they get what they pay for..
That trap looked like it had the black death in it. 😎👍
Shoal did !!
The install was crap but the furnace is fine. I dont see why it had to be replaced. The exaust is too long for the diameter of the pipe and termination needs to be fixed. Needs fresh air intake. And condensate line needs repair. Thats it. Other than that that furnace is working just fine.
Good job Ted well done 👏
Now that’s A/C money right there. Lol.
oh dear, they have far more issues in that place, because I spied "vanguard" brand polybutylene tubing. hopefully you guys don't even breathe on it changing the furnace, because she'll probably start leaking at every fitting and possibly in the middle of nowhere just because it can(and does). a replumb is in their future, if they well water, it will hold up longer than city water, but it's on borrowed time.
i know many people are against using emery cloth but it's always worked for me
Scotch brite scouring pad works well
Any Coating that may have been placed on the flame sensor has been burnt off long ago
Great video Sir.
If people would just read the freagin instructions. 😅😂
"Bah, I've been doing this for years" says their very untrained drunken uncle.
That trick with the middle finger and a $50 seems like had been trained before
what state is this? seems like everything there is hacked
South Carolina, I believe
Good find even better replacing the unit right in the end! BTW you racing this year?
Oh yea !!
Supco makes a cleaning tool. FSC10
It's almost like these furnaces are made to be disposable.
They are 20 years max
not seeing combustion air either
Looks like they didn't even bother to knock one of the 3 factory option holes out. Maybe they were counting on the hole they chopped for the trap to be enough.
When the door is on how’s it getting any combustion air?
The helicopter 🚁
I was taught to use steel wool
Maybe carry a Magic Eraser sponge, they are 3000 grit?
OMG a $50, how could you. Better get to the ATM before the next call, haha...
He could use five 20s😂😂😂😂
Last
How is that code to have the exhaust vent that close to the ground
😎👍
Always laughing when you only half clean but I use a dollar bill or my jeans
You ever left $100 bill after cleaning a flame sensor before?😊
NO !!
Is that electrical tape on the flu pipe? 😮😂
Dont we hate crawling jobs
U and Lav should do a vid together
Bad control board when the board diagnostic says everything is hunkey dorey and obviously it's not. That's a bad board every time. Many other problems I'm sure.
Any homeowner should be able to figure that out
Hello, you never got used to the Milwaukee driver instead of the nut driver?
Bad board!
Anti Ted fence gate. lol
Yea I had to edit out the struggle.
Dude that pvc is not ok
What are furnaces made out of? What is heat made out of? Are furnaces the only thing preventing the heat-death of the universe?
Looks like a second grader installed that!
Love this content Ted, whats your email? Would love to collaborate on some content.