@@iFixitYourself You are totally right. Maybe standardized batteries and standardized ways to fix parts, like screens. Or better products instead disposable products. I mean my New Nintendo 3DS XL works like new even the circle pad and the battery. But I already fixed 6 times my Nintendo Switch
My eleven year old Lenovo Thinkpad is still going strong. A few years ago I bought a nine-cell battery pack, an upgrade to the original six-cell, for $30. I wish I didn't hate Windows so damn much.
Battery replacement on a 2015 MacBook Pro only requires disconnect of a few cables and removal of speakers - 10 minute job. On this M2 the same process look so complicated!
Remember, this is the official Apple way of doing it because they sell the battery and lower case as a single unit and they're terrified of getting sued over a battery injury. You can see the abbreviated version in our guide which still requires the removal of the trackpad but spares you the rest of the pain. www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+14-Inch+2021+Battery+Replacement/150895 And our video and guide explaining battery safety: www.ifixit.com/News/69041/how-batteries-can-catch-fire-and-how-to-prevent-it
@@iFixitYourself they wouldnt have to worry about getting sued over a battery injury if they used screws like they used to do instead of permanantly glueing the battery to the top case. In my opinion their claim that they switched to gluing the batteries to reduce the thickness of the device is bs, considering that the macbook air used to actually be thinner then it is now and the battery was installed with screws. Yes batteries can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. Does that stop other manufacturers from selling replacement batteries that arent glued to the top case. No it doesn't because almost every other manufacturer has figured out that it is better to use screws.
I do wonder what technical, manufacturing, or cost reasons they have for using so many screw types? Sure, there are some areas that need tiny screws but there's got to be some type of design and implementation leeway to limit the need for so many types. 😄 If the logic board is the only thing different compared to the M1 version, I see that as a decent middle ground update. If they changed something like the chassis or battery position and shape for a small performance revision then I could see that being an environmentally costly change without much benefit. Though, if Apple were actually open they'd offer upgrade logic boards for M1 owners that want a cheaper upgrade instead of requiring them to buy an entire new laptop. At the very least, someone buying an M2 when their current laptop is at least a few generations old should be able to hang onto an M2 longer than an M1 considering the 10-30 percent bump in performance. The camera company Pentax actually released a replacement logic board for their K-1 camera to turn it into a K-1 Mark II. A pretty novel offering that probably benefited a few photographers wanting the latest features in their camera.
Completely agree with you! That's one of the reasons why I love my Framework :) I'm actually not 100% certain why they use so many different screws but I believe the reason to be at least partially cosmetic. Smaller screws are less noticeable. The other reason might be space and weight management, they do like to cram the absolute maximum amount of components inside a chassis and they're always keen on reducing the weight of the device. I'm sure there's some clever engineering reason too. I'm always amazed to find out what new and novel ways they apply to a problem and often it's not immediately apparent.
@@tristankordek No, I truly mean they have good intentions. (I'm pretty sure you already knew that and were making another point about Apple.) Given the context of our species' dire state, the limits of growth, corporations' indebtedness to their stakeholders, and government's fealty to corporations, we're pretty much fucked.
Not sure what the consumer gets from having a fragile device like a screen sensor paired by serial number to the PC. Hinges get the most mechanical stress on a laptop too.
People have no incentive to steal your device for parts if all they can get are passive components. Activation lock iPhones and Macs, I often see unattended in public and thieves know not to go for them because they aren't worth pretty much anything and the market for them is small. I keep my phone in my back pocket or leave it at the bar or whatever, no problems. Theft rings at music festivals are caught with bags of phones and most of them are Android or older iPhones where not all parts were serialized.
when i worked in IT i used to love the ability to take out components of scrapped pc's and placing them in PC's that just died. The workers came in i took a look, saw perhaps that the battery was swollen, take out a few batteries from same model number, test em and done in 5-10 minutes. Imagine running a company with 10 000 Macbooks, if one has a fault its straight to the bin with an order of a new one incoming... Think different. People like to use the stolen laptop argument, but god it creates so much E-waste when Apple forces everyone to not have a market for macbook parts at all. Imagine those 10 000 macbooks running their course, a few have bad batteries, others perhaps broken screen, and unable to reuse anything, doesnt feel like owning the product. Its like buying a car but when the tires are done you have to let the manufacturer replace them for you, if not replaced with the manufacturers tires the car would brick itself, the tires are not sold and no one but them can replace it, feels dystopic.
@@eriksvensson2098 so glad you posted that. I live near a Goodwill that sells surplus and rejected laptops. It’s hard enough to get those working without this extra layer of “protection”. These things are going to fill landfills.
@@ghfsd786fa/videos There wouldn't be a black market for Apple parts (not that there is, but anyway) if they didn't lock their stuff down and just sold the parts in the first place. You people with the circular logic are part of the problem. This sort of thing only works because Apple made it a problem in the first place.
I think that would be unfair. We need to acknowledge that there is a means of repairing devices without having to send them to the scrap heap. Parts pairing is evil but we've made progress in the last few years by forcing industry to move towards repairability and the fact that Apple is now providing parts, albeit locked, is more than we had before. It's far from where we want to be though and we still have plenty of work to do.
I can respect that and I can certainly understand your perspective. There is a methodology to our scoring and we're planning on releasing more details on that soon. Hopefully that will shed some light on why we score things the way we do but that doesn't mean there isn't room for discussion and improvement!
So you think that this laptop is as unrepairable as the airpods? Maybe it's not worthy of 5, but it also doesn't deserve 0. Software locks are a big no no, but they're not completely unrepairable, so the repairable score should not be 0. If they have to give everything that has an apple logo on it a 0 just to satisfy the internet hate boners on apple, then their score would lose their meaning. They give credit where credit is due, and bash them where they deserve it, I think that's just fair.
It probably is considering the President in charge. Jokes apart, it’s what enables Apple’s “magic” instantaneous screen brightening when opening the lid.
Dell Latitude 7490: 8 screws to remove the whole back lid, a few more screws for the battery. Total battery replacement time: 5 min. Tools required: screwdriver 1 pc.
I used to be a Mac Genius. This was back when a Mac Genius was actually a "genius". I did a lot of repairs. This gave me the know how and confidence to open and repair/upgrade complex electronic devices. That said, I don't mind paying someone else to open my Apple devices and repair them for me. The reason is because it's risky to do. Someone who repairs Apple devices professionally has insurance to cover their mistakes. I don't. If I break something it's on me to pay to fix what ever I broke. I have upgraded many iMacs and replaced the hard drives with SSDs. One time I must have accidentally damaged the cable that attaches the display to the logic board. There was a fat vertical line in the display when I powered up the system. That. Sucked. My company paid a little over $600 to replace the display. When I installed the new one it worked perfectly. That one screw up made me never want to do this for someone again. As Apple's computers become more tightly built and harder to disassemble, I would rather just not open them. I buy my MacBook Pros very well spec'd out (maybe more than I need) so I won't ever have a desire to upgrade them.
Software locking on replacement hardware components is just evil. This MacBook is a 0/10 for repairability because you need Apple's permission to repair hardware that you own. You're diluting your repairability score with nonsense like the score in this video, iFixit. Trust is difficult to earn back.
I'm sorry you feel that way but dealing in absolutes is not the way to create dialogue. We need to acknowledge the good and push for better. Right now we're getting parts and manuals from Apple. The next step is to have parts pairing removed and schematics released. It's a process and it is working, it's building momentum, and we're winning. The next step is more legislation and tighter legislation. There is a lot of work yet to be done.
@@iFixitYourself : Absolutes are typically destructive to dialogue, but "I should be able to replace parts in products I own without anyone else's permission" is an absolute I'm willing to embrace. Anyway, keep fighting the good fight. Your mindset is certainly more productive than mine. To be clear, though, I still think you are devaluing your own repairability score with this score of 5. Perhaps zero is too harsh, but I don't see how you can possibly go as high as a 5/10.
@@Pikminiman On the other hand, if there was no software lock on components, you'd probably be looking at a near perfect score for repairability, so that little thing is essentially halving the score while we still have a few years in which Apple can fix it without any real impact.
I think they instruct you to drape the laptop over the edge of a table because otherwise, when you remove the touchpad, it could fall onto the display and damage the display or the touchpad.
so about the draping the laptop over the table edge, reason why we do that is because there's simply no other option lol, also we use ESD safe work matts which hang over the work bench, essentially forcing the display to not touch the table.
Glad to see that the release of manuals hasn't driven the company into bankruptcy! Now if they would go back to the good ol days of the Iphone 6 that I could replace any part with whatever I could find online! Pairing parts has to stop!
"It will burn your component" what a joke and please don't give score based on assumptions & promises. That's exactly what they want, bait and switch. Even if those were met, the device itself doesn't deserve anything near 5. It's designed to keep you away and no amount of "good documentation" is going to fix that anti-repairable design.
i was thinking the same and I'm not even used to opening laptops up or a It service technician. My asus tuf laptop was easier to remove the battery than this mac
thing about LAS and system config, ive done this by accident before where I forgot to close the lid, despite those scary warnings I didnt need to replace the LAS
So they publish a repair manual, but make everything software locked; meaning if no first party replacement parts, it is still unrepairable. Hopefully one day we can see a tiny chip on the screw and need run "System Configuration" everything we unscrew it, and the replacement screw is $19.99 and only available for the first year after the device released.
Jesus. I just resigned from an AASP and those are all the tools and all the same guides we would have followed down to the specifically tuned screwdrivers that don't allow you to over-torque any specific screw.
I'm curious if the mac will power on without the screen or battery installed Would make these super nice in the future for ultra small computers rather than just throwing them away
I was going to buy a new M2 PRO to replace my Windows machine, as I was intrigued by Apple architecture and efficiency. And then watching your videos and Louis Rossmann's as well, I think of my Windows laptop, which has upgradeable RAM and SSD. To do any of this I just need to pop off the bottom cover. It's an i7 10875H, 32GB DDR4, RTX 2070 8GB, 512GB Samsung Evo Plus SSD (3.5GB/sec). The manufacturer (TongFang, which is a white label manufacturer) also allows the disassembly of cooling system, etc, without voiding the warranty. You can also overvolt or undervolt using ThrottleStop or XTU machine and the firmware allows it with no issues. On the weak side, firmware is trash, keyboard is okayish but key caps are discolouring, runs super hot, fans are always spinning even with minimal services running, battery and hardware not optimised for low power consumption, power and keyboard utility made by someone in a garage with little to no optimisation. But hey, I just recalled I've two M.2 slots on my machine and I could also put another SSD on it. Not sure if I'll switch to Macbook and pay 3000£ for a full specced machine, as they don't allow 32GB on M1/M2 PRO without choosing 1TB SSD and MAX configuration. Should I? Probably Apple Care+ would be a safe bet if getting one of these.
Someone needs to start hacking these things... Create a shell into which the guts can be transferred at the first battery change to facilitate future service.
👎 I would understand 3 types of screws, but no more. The number of tools is absurd, as is the fact that the battery is once again glued to tearing strips and not screwed or mounted with a latch. + for the instructions, but I think he belongs to Louis Rossmann
I'm writing this on my 2012 Macbook Pro Retina, where I've already installed the second replacement battery from ifixit. I will no longer buy an Apple device if everything is protected by DRM. I don't support that. Not a good development, and in these times when waste should be reduced.
Draping your screen over the edge of the table has been the process for screen replacements since the first intel mac days, it's nothing new and the machine isnt going to fall off the desk if you are careful.
I really really dislike reconnecting Wi-Fi antenna cables on any laptop… any tips?? I repair quite a few laptops a week and it always a chore. I use your iFixit tweezers and really good magnifying glasses… but they always don’t always stay connected.
Hey anyone from india noticed that the map used at 6:33 in that the India is not shown fully or we can say that it is not the official map of India and it's wrong.
I wonder why Apple still don't reduce the size of the main board. x86 laptops and gaming handhelds have way smaller boards which includes RAM expansion and removable M.2 drive
Only Apple will chrome dip their laptop fans... most users will never even open these up. And computer fan manufacturers just leave them as bare plastic matching the fan plastic. What the heck...
Extreme perfectionism. There's a certain beauty to it and the effort is certainly admirable. As you've said, the cost of that effort should be considered more carefully.
The fact that they've been soldering the SSDs onto the mac motherboards and also overcharging 3x-4x the price per TeraByte (@Apple 2TB SSD 800$. At the same time you can go on Amazon and buy a Samsung 2TB 980PRO for 200$) makes me vomit on Apple HQ. Not only that but if your mac's warranty runs out (which is not that difficult because they only give you 1 year), the way they go about the SSD repair is by replacing your whole motherboard. You can imagine that the "repair" will cost you at least 50% of what you paid for that mac. Everybody needs to vomit on all Apple products and stores. fill the stores with puke :X
I think the only part who is prone to security is SSD. Battery and display being locked is basically a serious attempt to prevent device being repaired
As you know, are ther graphene components into the MacBook Pro 14 or 16 with M1 or M2 processor? (Especially used for heat sink or heat management system)
I think he meant Kapton Tape, if you google it you will see it. its a brand name but naturally there are other mfgs. I would link but I think RUclips just auto nukes any outside links in comments due to how prolific scammers are in comments today.
That's like 10 times more screws and room for screwing it up than say a 2013 macbook, and that was already a pain in the butt for only battery replacement.
It’s not “sooner or later” it is 3 to 5 years depending on where you live. Five years if you are in California three years for everywhere else. After that you are on your own scrounging for used parts to hopefully fix anything, not just Apple devices.
I wouldn't exactly call 20-40% performance improvements to be nominal, but it is true that they didn't revolutionize portable computing again from when they did last generation.
I really like their products, but repairability of them is really "not nice", as well the policy of putting a single NAND chip in their lower end models, so it is crippled by SSD speed.
You do you brother! I'm more comfortable with the laptop on the table but both methods work. I have a nasty habit of getting absorbed in whatever I'm doing and I know I'd lean on that screen and break it. Guaranteed.
The way the message is delivered does not explain how the software pairing of hardware only benefits apple and their profit margins and rips off their customers. I think a lot of people will watch this and not understand that critical part of the problem and still want to buy apple products while thinking apple is "doing great at right to repair", which they are clearly not.
Seriously? Underwhelmed by a year over year spec bump that by all measures seems to be in the 10-30% range depending on the use case? If that kind of incremental update is underwhelming, then perhaps you're expecting WAY too much.
Incremental updates produce unnecessary waste. Planned obsolescence encompasses both physical failure and artificially induced obsolescence and annual release cycles are incorporated in the latter category: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence It's not about being unimpressed with the engineering, that side of it is always fascinating and Apple's engineers are often the best in the game. It's about egging people on to consume resources we can't afford to waste. And it's not just about waste, its also the human cost. Modern electronics heavily rely on resources extracted from coltan mining: theconversation.com/what-coltan-mining-in-the-drc-costs-people-and-the-environment-183159 If not to reduce waste, at the very least we should think about where our stuff really comes from and how it's made.
@@iFixitYourself when apple doesn't update the Mac frequently enough, people complain like crazy and accuse apple of "abandoning the Mac", "apple doesn't care about pros anymore" etc etc. No matter what apple does, you will find some way to criticize them. This update has some major leaps forward, such as HDMI 2.1 and Wifi 6E, which effectively *doubles* wireless throughput and is the first upgrade to wireless speeds on Apple laptops in literally *10 years* since the switch to .ac in 2013 (the switch to ax was actually a downgrade since they also dropped from 3 spatial streams to 2). If you had it your way, we'd still be using dial-up on B&W screens.
Please don’t listen to ifixit on politics. They have no idea what they’re talking about. They contradict themselves all the time. And yes, they literally just gave you a Wikipedia link. Because that’s the epitome of human information. 🤭
@@spacecadet2172 1. only shills complain about a lack of an update. 2. most people still use and will prefer to buy old proven reliable macbooks because thats whats affordable. 3. If we had it the way ifixit wanted it, this spec upgrade would be an upgrade you could apply to your current device, that you could simply upgrade the internals of your device as you see fit, much like a framework laptop. This is considerably superior to the infinite e-waste endless device replacements alternative.
Remember when laptops used to have just a lock switch to remove the battery?
And phone batteries could be replaced in 10 seconds flat :( We need to go back to basics instead of burying our heads (and our trash) in the sand.
@@iFixitYourself You are totally right. Maybe standardized batteries and standardized ways to fix parts, like screens. Or better products instead disposable products. I mean my New Nintendo 3DS XL works like new even the circle pad and the battery. But I already fixed 6 times my Nintendo Switch
I have a Dell sitting on my desk right now with that very ability
My eleven year old Lenovo Thinkpad is still going strong. A few years ago I bought a nine-cell battery pack, an upgrade to the original six-cell, for $30. I wish I didn't hate Windows so damn much.
@@WhittyPics legend! 😮
Framework laptop in use right there love to see it
Battery replacement on a 2015 MacBook Pro only requires disconnect of a few cables and removal of speakers - 10 minute job. On this M2 the same process look so complicated!
Remember, this is the official Apple way of doing it because they sell the battery and lower case as a single unit and they're terrified of getting sued over a battery injury. You can see the abbreviated version in our guide which still requires the removal of the trackpad but spares you the rest of the pain.
www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+14-Inch+2021+Battery+Replacement/150895
And our video and guide explaining battery safety:
www.ifixit.com/News/69041/how-batteries-can-catch-fire-and-how-to-prevent-it
@@iFixitYourself they wouldnt have to worry about getting sued over a battery injury if they used screws like they used to do instead of permanantly glueing the battery to the top case. In my opinion their claim that they switched to gluing the batteries to reduce the thickness of the device is bs, considering that the macbook air used to actually be thinner then it is now and the battery was installed with screws. Yes batteries can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. Does that stop other manufacturers from selling replacement batteries that arent glued to the top case. No it doesn't because almost every other manufacturer has figured out that it is better to use screws.
Have you ever worked on a car from 2023 and one from 1990? Technology does change, you know...
@@dystopia2386 They want an excuse to sell it with the housing for $999
@@iFixitYourself don't know why you insist on calling it lower case when it's actually a top case. They even call it top case in the manual.
It's nice to see you working on a framework laptop.
It's nice they're actually putting out repair manuals. That's more than we've ever gotten from Apple
In your lifetime perhaps. They used to supply circuit schematics in their early days.
@@nchw68 Yeah I'm 25 lol that's all I can speak on
@@nchw68 circuit schematics? that would be cool to have now
I think iFixit should do a video on planned obsolescence of products in tech ! This should improve the awareness of the problem!
I do wonder what technical, manufacturing, or cost reasons they have for using so many screw types? Sure, there are some areas that need tiny screws but there's got to be some type of design and implementation leeway to limit the need for so many types. 😄
If the logic board is the only thing different compared to the M1 version, I see that as a decent middle ground update. If they changed something like the chassis or battery position and shape for a small performance revision then I could see that being an environmentally costly change without much benefit. Though, if Apple were actually open they'd offer upgrade logic boards for M1 owners that want a cheaper upgrade instead of requiring them to buy an entire new laptop. At the very least, someone buying an M2 when their current laptop is at least a few generations old should be able to hang onto an M2 longer than an M1 considering the 10-30 percent bump in performance.
The camera company Pentax actually released a replacement logic board for their K-1 camera to turn it into a K-1 Mark II. A pretty novel offering that probably benefited a few photographers wanting the latest features in their camera.
Completely agree with you! That's one of the reasons why I love my Framework :)
I'm actually not 100% certain why they use so many different screws but I believe the reason to be at least partially cosmetic. Smaller screws are less noticeable. The other reason might be space and weight management, they do like to cram the absolute maximum amount of components inside a chassis and they're always keen on reducing the weight of the device.
I'm sure there's some clever engineering reason too. I'm always amazed to find out what new and novel ways they apply to a problem and often it's not immediately apparent.
@@iFixitYourself Interesting, thanks for the feedback!
Likely to allow thinner stacking of components.
A 5 was extremely generous tbh.
3/10 max
Agreed. Anything with software locks on cables deserves a 0/10, repair manual or not.
Even socially-concious corporations like Apple are in opposition to the health of the environment, despite their good intentions.
@@dannyize Apple's good intentions🤣
Good joke, the only example is probably the PV on the roof of their headquarters
@@tristankordek No, I truly mean they have good intentions. (I'm pretty sure you already knew that and were making another point about Apple.)
Given the context of our species' dire state, the limits of growth, corporations' indebtedness to their stakeholders, and government's fealty to corporations, we're pretty much fucked.
I love to see people using a Framework laptop
I cant find it official in Europe, specifically in Poland. Pity, i would conditioner to buy it ;)
@@RK-ly5qj yes, I hope that changes soon! I am waiting for one as well!
Not sure what the consumer gets from having a fragile device like a screen sensor paired by serial number to the PC. Hinges get the most mechanical stress on a laptop too.
that there is not a black market for stolen macbook parts?
People have no incentive to steal your device for parts if all they can get are passive components. Activation lock iPhones and Macs, I often see unattended in public and thieves know not to go for them because they aren't worth pretty much anything and the market for them is small. I keep my phone in my back pocket or leave it at the bar or whatever, no problems. Theft rings at music festivals are caught with bags of phones and most of them are Android or older iPhones where not all parts were serialized.
when i worked in IT i used to love the ability to take out components of scrapped pc's and placing them in PC's that just died. The workers came in i took a look, saw perhaps that the battery was swollen, take out a few batteries from same model number, test em and done in 5-10 minutes.
Imagine running a company with 10 000 Macbooks, if one has a fault its straight to the bin with an order of a new one incoming... Think different.
People like to use the stolen laptop argument, but god it creates so much E-waste when Apple forces everyone to not have a market for macbook parts at all. Imagine those 10 000 macbooks running their course, a few have bad batteries, others perhaps broken screen, and unable to reuse anything, doesnt feel like owning the product. Its like buying a car but when the tires are done you have to let the manufacturer replace them for you, if not replaced with the manufacturers tires the car would brick itself, the tires are not sold and no one but them can replace it, feels dystopic.
@@eriksvensson2098 so glad you posted that. I live near a Goodwill that sells surplus and rejected laptops. It’s hard enough to get those working without this extra layer of “protection”. These things are going to fill landfills.
@@ghfsd786fa/videos There wouldn't be a black market for Apple parts (not that there is, but anyway) if they didn't lock their stuff down and just sold the parts in the first place.
You people with the circular logic are part of the problem. This sort of thing only works because Apple made it a problem in the first place.
Anything with a software lock should get an instant zero.
I think that would be unfair. We need to acknowledge that there is a means of repairing devices without having to send them to the scrap heap. Parts pairing is evil but we've made progress in the last few years by forcing industry to move towards repairability and the fact that Apple is now providing parts, albeit locked, is more than we had before.
It's far from where we want to be though and we still have plenty of work to do.
@@iFixitYourself I agree. It's not completely software locked, you can replace most stuff. But that is still *very* far from a 5/10.
I can respect that and I can certainly understand your perspective. There is a methodology to our scoring and we're planning on releasing more details on that soon. Hopefully that will shed some light on why we score things the way we do but that doesn't mean there isn't room for discussion and improvement!
iFixit do you prefer the 14” or 16”?
So you think that this laptop is as unrepairable as the airpods?
Maybe it's not worthy of 5, but it also doesn't deserve 0. Software locks are a big no no, but they're not completely unrepairable, so the repairable score should not be 0. If they have to give everything that has an apple logo on it a 0 just to satisfy the internet hate boners on apple, then their score would lose their meaning. They give credit where credit is due, and bash them where they deserve it, I think that's just fair.
Lid angle sensor seems more important than the President of The United States.
It probably is considering the President in charge.
Jokes apart, it’s what enables Apple’s “magic” instantaneous screen brightening when opening the lid.
boy what the hell boy
Dell Latitude 7490: 8 screws to remove the whole back lid, a few more screws for the battery. Total battery replacement time: 5 min. Tools required: screwdriver 1 pc.
I used to be a Mac Genius. This was back when a Mac Genius was actually a "genius". I did a lot of repairs. This gave me the know how and confidence to open and repair/upgrade complex electronic devices. That said, I don't mind paying someone else to open my Apple devices and repair them for me. The reason is because it's risky to do. Someone who repairs Apple devices professionally has insurance to cover their mistakes. I don't. If I break something it's on me to pay to fix what ever I broke. I have upgraded many iMacs and replaced the hard drives with SSDs. One time I must have accidentally damaged the cable that attaches the display to the logic board. There was a fat vertical line in the display when I powered up the system. That. Sucked. My company paid a little over $600 to replace the display. When I installed the new one it worked perfectly. That one screw up made me never want to do this for someone again. As Apple's computers become more tightly built and harder to disassemble, I would rather just not open them. I buy my MacBook Pros very well spec'd out (maybe more than I need) so I won't ever have a desire to upgrade them.
Remarkable attention to detail. I was literally blowen away by the precision with which these things are designed.
Manual is useless if everything is serialized. Heck they made sure you can’t change the battery, the first thing that needs replacing in a laptop.
Software locking on replacement hardware components is just evil. This MacBook is a 0/10 for repairability because you need Apple's permission to repair hardware that you own. You're diluting your repairability score with nonsense like the score in this video, iFixit. Trust is difficult to earn back.
I'm sorry you feel that way but dealing in absolutes is not the way to create dialogue. We need to acknowledge the good and push for better. Right now we're getting parts and manuals from Apple. The next step is to have parts pairing removed and schematics released.
It's a process and it is working, it's building momentum, and we're winning. The next step is more legislation and tighter legislation. There is a lot of work yet to be done.
@@iFixitYourself : Absolutes are typically destructive to dialogue, but "I should be able to replace parts in products I own without anyone else's permission" is an absolute I'm willing to embrace.
Anyway, keep fighting the good fight. Your mindset is certainly more productive than mine. To be clear, though, I still think you are devaluing your own repairability score with this score of 5. Perhaps zero is too harsh, but I don't see how you can possibly go as high as a 5/10.
@@Pikminiman On the other hand, if there was no software lock on components, you'd probably be looking at a near perfect score for repairability, so that little thing is essentially halving the score while we still have a few years in which Apple can fix it without any real impact.
I think they instruct you to drape the laptop over the edge of a table because otherwise, when you remove the touchpad, it could fall onto the display and damage the display or the touchpad.
5 years later, All capacitors and resistors on the logicboard will have serial numbers paired with the logic board.
Not if we have anything to do with it.
www.axios.com/2023/01/23/right-to-repair-legislation-john-deere-apple-ftc
Oh no, that would be a complete nightmare and a fatal cardiac arrest for third party repair.
so about the draping the laptop over the table edge, reason why we do that is because there's simply no other option lol, also we use ESD safe work matts which hang over the work bench, essentially forcing the display to not touch the table.
Why is the 'lid angle sensor' serialized? Isn't it just a magnetic encoder?
I didn't realise it was serialised myself till I ran across it in the manual. I'll fall back on my usual answer in such cases: because Apple.
Glad to see that the release of manuals hasn't driven the company into bankruptcy! Now if they would go back to the good ol days of the Iphone 6 that I could replace any part with whatever I could find online! Pairing parts has to stop!
i'd love to see a picture by picure teardown like in past, i miss this kind of teardown documentation a lot, thank you anyway for your great work :)
"It will burn your component" what a joke and please don't give score based on assumptions & promises. That's exactly what they want, bait and switch. Even if those were met, the device itself doesn't deserve anything near 5. It's designed to keep you away and no amount of "good documentation" is going to fix that anti-repairable design.
3/10 is the maximum rating in my eyes and I am an IT service technician.
i was thinking the same and I'm not even used to opening laptops up or a It service technician. My asus tuf laptop was easier to remove the battery than this mac
I would be fine even with this process if everything wasn’t serialized. Baby steps though.
I still hate how crappy the specs are with ram and storage and they get away with it lol
thing about LAS and system config, ive done this by accident before where I forgot to close the lid, despite those scary warnings I didnt need to replace the LAS
YOU DONT NEED TO REMOVE MOBO FOR BATTERY REPLACEMENT
"Apple has gone out of their way to make sure you don't touch this battery" - with 3 fingers resting firmly upon said battery
Those batteries are damn compact
God I’m glad I went with framework
Honestly, all this part pairing and lack of board schematics should make this laptop WAY lower on reparability score.
name any brand that gives schematics
@@bradhaines3142 Framework
@@bradhaines3142 lenovo
Great Job and Thank You
So they publish a repair manual, but make everything software locked; meaning if no first party replacement parts, it is still unrepairable.
Hopefully one day we can see a tiny chip on the screw and need run "System Configuration" everything we unscrew it, and the replacement screw is $19.99 and only available for the first year after the device released.
Exactly, i would rather have no guide from Apple and no software locks, this is actually worse than before
Jesus. I just resigned from an AASP and those are all the tools and all the same guides we would have followed down to the specifically tuned screwdrivers that don't allow you to over-torque any specific screw.
I'm curious if the mac will power on without the screen or battery installed
Would make these super nice in the future for ultra small computers rather than just throwing them away
it won't power on
I was going to buy a new M2 PRO to replace my Windows machine, as I was intrigued by Apple architecture and efficiency. And then watching your videos and Louis Rossmann's as well, I think of my Windows laptop, which has upgradeable RAM and SSD. To do any of this I just need to pop off the bottom cover.
It's an i7 10875H, 32GB DDR4, RTX 2070 8GB, 512GB Samsung Evo Plus SSD (3.5GB/sec).
The manufacturer (TongFang, which is a white label manufacturer) also allows the disassembly of cooling system, etc, without voiding the warranty.
You can also overvolt or undervolt using ThrottleStop or XTU machine and the firmware allows it with no issues.
On the weak side, firmware is trash, keyboard is okayish but key caps are discolouring, runs super hot, fans are always spinning even with minimal services running, battery and hardware not optimised for low power consumption, power and keyboard utility made by someone in a garage with little to no optimisation.
But hey, I just recalled I've two M.2 slots on my machine and I could also put another SSD on it.
Not sure if I'll switch to Macbook and pay 3000£ for a full specced machine, as they don't allow 32GB on M1/M2 PRO without choosing 1TB SSD and MAX configuration.
Should I?
Probably Apple Care+ would be a safe bet if getting one of these.
if you want a newer more powerful device, with good gpu performance, wait for framework laptop 16". You should look it up, pretty nifty device.
Does Apple plan to release software for synchronizing things after replacing parts?
“Only part changed is logic board”: my mbp 2023 logic board died after 5 months 😂
the official apple repair guide for the 13 inch m2 macbook pro still isn't out even though it was released in june 2022. seems suspicious 🤔
The lid angle sensor is paired to the display.
also at work we are forced to use battery covers
Someone needs to start hacking these things... Create a shell into which the guts can be transferred at the first battery change to facilitate future service.
I love this idea! With 3D printers being so widespread I wouldn't be surprised if someone has done this already.
id be more interested in a motherboard that can go in the case of a macbook. they have some of the best screens and hands down best speakers
Apple: DON'T TOUCH THE BATTERY!
IFixit: *proceeds to touch the battery*
Even as recent as the 2012 MacBook Pro you can take the back case off and replace the battery in under 10mins!!
7:15
Soi the RAM is soldered and bolted into the motherboard?
Louis Rossmann would be at least happy to know that there are repair manuals
👎
I would understand 3 types of screws, but no more.
The number of tools is absurd, as is the fact that the battery is once again glued to tearing strips and not screwed or mounted with a latch.
+ for the instructions, but I think he belongs to Louis Rossmann
What do you suggest as an alternative to draping the screen over the edge of the table?
In Apple Store Repair Rooms they use a foam triangle to keep the computer open at 90°. The long side of the triangle is flat against the desk.
I'm writing this on my 2012 Macbook Pro Retina, where I've already installed the second replacement battery from ifixit. I will no longer buy an Apple device if everything is protected by DRM. I don't support that. Not a good development, and in these times when waste should be reduced.
Do you have a video of the macbook m3 pro 2023?
Framework.
can you broadcast in 8k HDR?
Why don't they make the battery easier to access so you can just plop one in like AA batteries of 9 volts?
Me when I saw 1:42 -- I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Draping your screen over the edge of the table has been the process for screen replacements since the first intel mac days, it's nothing new and the machine isnt going to fall off the desk if you are careful.
What is a good, powerful and quiet, PC laptop alternative to these new Macs?
Как же иронично, что мануал читался с ноута Framework
I really really dislike reconnecting Wi-Fi antenna cables on any laptop… any tips?? I repair quite a few laptops a week and it always a chore.
I use your iFixit tweezers and really good magnifying glasses… but they always don’t always stay connected.
Where is the SSD drive on this computer?
Hey anyone from india noticed that the map used at 6:33 in that the India is not shown fully or we can say that it is not the official map of India and it's wrong.
You mean how apple DOESN'T want you to do it?
I wonder why Apple still don't reduce the size of the main board. x86 laptops and gaming handhelds have way smaller boards which includes RAM expansion and removable M.2 drive
in 10 years your car brakes, tyres and wheels will be serialized and your car won’t start unless it was installed by the manufacture. Thanks Apple.
The part that is quickest to need replacing is the one thats glued on. 🙄
So... when each screw will have its own serial numbers?
Loving the t-shirt 😂
Only Apple will chrome dip their laptop fans... most users will never even open these up. And computer fan manufacturers just leave them as bare plastic matching the fan plastic.
What the heck...
Extreme perfectionism. There's a certain beauty to it and the effort is certainly admirable. As you've said, the cost of that effort should be considered more carefully.
The fact that they've been soldering the SSDs onto the mac motherboards and also overcharging 3x-4x the price per TeraByte (@Apple 2TB SSD 800$. At the same time you can go on Amazon and buy a Samsung 2TB 980PRO for 200$) makes me vomit on Apple HQ. Not only that but if your mac's warranty runs out (which is not that difficult because they only give you 1 year), the way they go about the SSD repair is by replacing your whole motherboard. You can imagine that the "repair" will cost you at least 50% of what you paid for that mac. Everybody needs to vomit on all Apple products and stores. fill the stores with puke :X
its absolutely remarkable that we can make these complex machines on such a scale it boggles my mind really
u guys didn't have any iFixit in here Indonesia?
Hi, is m1 pro and m2 pro using the same screen assembly?
What about the keyboard, can we replace it? On M1 Pro can we?
When showing the tools needed for the repair, AirPods with a 3.5 headphones plug and sand were listed. Does anybody know why?
Incredible accent, seems like a mix of Scottish and American, although I may be wrong
Not far off. Born in Iran, raised in England, university in Scotland, now living in the US. Take your pick or do what I did and pick them all :)
@@iFixitYourself Interesting, very pleasant and relaxing to listen to you honestly.
Thank you!
I think the only part who is prone to security is SSD.
Battery and display being locked is basically a serious attempt to prevent device being repaired
Why do they software lock the computer that someone purchased? Do they have any explanation for that?
As you know, are ther graphene components into the MacBook Pro 14 or 16 with M1 or M2 processor? (Especially used for heat sink or heat management system)
Hmm! Apple does not want you to touch their battery. While touching the battery.
4:31
Great video, I really appreciate going through the Apple manual. But what the heck is caftan tape?
I think he meant Kapton Tape, if you google it you will see it. its a brand name but naturally there are other mfgs. I would link but I think RUclips just auto nukes any outside links in comments due to how prolific scammers are in comments today.
That's like 10 times more screws and room for screwing it up than say a 2013 macbook, and that was already a pain in the butt for only battery replacement.
It’s not “sooner or later” it is 3 to 5 years depending on where you live. Five years if you are in California three years for everywhere else. After that you are on your own scrounging for used parts to hopefully fix anything, not just Apple devices.
Compared to Apple, even Umbrella corporation looks like nice, caring company.
If I would have a two or three thousand dollar MacBook, I would be too shy to open that. I dont even open my M1 MBA... 😬
Man Im still holding on my ASUS and Dell i5s with an EXTERNAL replaceable batteries
I only buy devices without software locks. that simple.
I wouldn't exactly call 20-40% performance improvements to be nominal, but it is true that they didn't revolutionize portable computing again from when they did last generation.
Where are you getting 40% improvements? From what I saw it was 10-20% across the board.
What is the name of that screw identification?
So, they tried to pull a HMM here? :)
Why don't we see anyone else doing teardown anymore?
I really like their products, but repairability of them is really "not nice", as well the policy of putting a single NAND chip in their lower end models, so it is crippled by SSD speed.
said multiple times you wouldnt drape it but didnt say what youd do instead 🤷🏻♂️ so looks like Im draping it
You do you brother! I'm more comfortable with the laptop on the table but both methods work. I have a nasty habit of getting absorbed in whatever I'm doing and I know I'd lean on that screen and break it. Guaranteed.
The way the message is delivered does not explain how the software pairing of hardware only benefits apple and their profit margins and rips off their customers. I think a lot of people will watch this and not understand that critical part of the problem and still want to buy apple products while thinking apple is "doing great at right to repair", which they are clearly not.
999k subs, about to hit 1mil!
Seriously? Underwhelmed by a year over year spec bump that by all measures seems to be in the 10-30% range depending on the use case? If that kind of incremental update is underwhelming, then perhaps you're expecting WAY too much.
Incremental updates produce unnecessary waste. Planned obsolescence encompasses both physical failure and artificially induced obsolescence and annual release cycles are incorporated in the latter category:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
It's not about being unimpressed with the engineering, that side of it is always fascinating and Apple's engineers are often the best in the game. It's about egging people on to consume resources we can't afford to waste.
And it's not just about waste, its also the human cost. Modern electronics heavily rely on resources extracted from coltan mining:
theconversation.com/what-coltan-mining-in-the-drc-costs-people-and-the-environment-183159
If not to reduce waste, at the very least we should think about where our stuff really comes from and how it's made.
@@iFixitYourself when apple doesn't update the Mac frequently enough, people complain like crazy and accuse apple of "abandoning the Mac", "apple doesn't care about pros anymore" etc etc. No matter what apple does, you will find some way to criticize them. This update has some major leaps forward, such as HDMI 2.1 and Wifi 6E, which effectively *doubles* wireless throughput and is the first upgrade to wireless speeds on Apple laptops in literally *10 years* since the switch to .ac in 2013 (the switch to ax was actually a downgrade since they also dropped from 3 spatial streams to 2). If you had it your way, we'd still be using dial-up on B&W screens.
Please don’t listen to ifixit on politics. They have no idea what they’re talking about. They contradict themselves all the time. And yes, they literally just gave you a Wikipedia link. Because that’s the epitome of human information. 🤭
@@spacecadet2172 1. only shills complain about a lack of an update. 2. most people still use and will prefer to buy old proven reliable macbooks because thats whats affordable. 3. If we had it the way ifixit wanted it, this spec upgrade would be an upgrade you could apply to your current device, that you could simply upgrade the internals of your device as you see fit, much like a framework laptop. This is considerably superior to the infinite e-waste endless device replacements alternative.
Framework Laptop 👍
The process to replace a battery on this computer is overcomplicated, especially if you think that the battery wears out and must be changed often
Worried about their method? I’m worried about you not using ESD with all these small components 😅
Incredible work by the Chinese manufacturers.
the music is too loud