They can help you not replace a ribbon cable by not supplying it and then helping the laptop self destruct when the slightest fault happens on the ribbon cable and it sends 60v to all the important low voltage parts. Apple: "Glad we could help!"
It's because not many people really care about Right to repairs - until their devices are actually broken. Apples don't grow on human kindness and humility - they only grow on profitability and capitalism.
Well all those to pleased so called investors + bankers. They must keep pumping money to them, by milking the customer ofcourse. The final target is for you to rent hardware & subscribe for software+services
It's because they like the idea of being part of a technological elite. So they think. They still don't understand that the only club they're joining is the dumb club.
It's an ego and delusion thing - "i need/deserve the status symbol. I'm too brilliant and my opinions are important to many (self perceived-delusion). It's impossible for me to be in the wrong, furthermore when people show they trust me (either genuine or delusional confirmation bias)." Then they proceed to unknowingly try and change the narrative to fit their self-perceived brilliance and social status. You see the same with fashion and certain car/brands, all falls into the category of status-symbol property.
My first computer was a 2nd hand Mac Classic, purchased in 1991. I defended Apple to all my PC friends (was just me and 1 other kid who owned Apples), citing how much better they were, better products, better OS. I repeated that mantra for decades... but no longer. I don't see any Mac made in the past 5 years that I would want to buy. When my current Mac reaches its end of life, I'm guessing I'll either be looking at a Hacintosh running the last Intel friendly MacOS... or... or... *shrug* Maybe I'll just go sit in a park and talk to the pigeons.
Great video, Hugh. 35 years in IT and I still cannot understand why people are so fiercely loyal to a company that fleeces its customers and sticks its middle finger up at the independent repair industry. It just makes no sense to me.
Apple targets the normies, the creatives who are non-techies. Especially for those who want an ecosystem that just works, even at a premium price. Price also factors in in catering to the hipsters.😁🤑
I used to open my laptop up just for fun and clean it every year back when I used windows machines. Even early macbooks. But this is the first time a disassembly video triggered my gag reflexes and gave me anxiety. These design practices should be criminal with how much these machines cost and how critical they are in many people's daily lives.
Screen repair started dying when horrible quality factory rejects were the only screens available. Back in 2011 it was still possible to buy LG boxes that said A on the side. A few years later, only grade 9 and 5. Now it's literally total garbage if you want LCD cells by themselves. They're unusable if you care about the quality you're giving customers.
Watching this video reminds me of that scene from that old Redford film Sneakers. The team tracks the macguffin to a toy factory that has laser trip wires and electrified fences. Redford says 'the whole building screams "go away". From the moment you start opening that laptop, every single step is unambiguously discouraging you from continuing. It's laughable and I had no idea it was this bad.
I went through 2 or 3 U2711s until they got me one without dust/dirt in the panel. All the LG stuff back in 2011 had it in professional screens, it was ridiculous. Because Crapple bought up all the A grade stuff..
As an IT hardware reseller and support company, this is the exact reason I stopped buying or recommending any Apple products. Ive ditched my iphone, got rid of my Macbook Air 2013. Never will i go back to Apple unless they change these working practices. Great video!
LOL the „junk“ in this video is the best computer I’ve ever owned. Who gives a shit if the screen is hard to replace. With Apple care it’s their problem if that ever is necessary.
@@UloPe bro you need to open your eyes. You are what is also called a apple slave. You dont see the problem. Your are exactly what they want you to be. Its literally cheaper to not make the device unrepairable. The only reason apple care exists is because of apples greedy scrumpy stinky ass. It wouldnt need to.
Its fascinating how we went from cost cutting measures (rivets and glue instead of screws etc) making things harder to repair to cost increasing measures (way more screws and types of screws then needed) making things harder to repair.
Yea its called greed XD they know a loyal apple customer will pay for the products XD us poor people out here try to be " cool " cause they have an iphone XD Android all the way
Soldering components and not allowing 'unverified parts' is bad enough, but making things glitch out for no good reason to make the person think they failed the repair is next level anti consumer.
I have performed multiple screen swaps on the 2015 - 2019 MacBook Pros. This is insane that Apple yet again makes things artificially non-repairable. We need regulations that make these practices illegal.
My thought too. This is getting ridiculous, we need regulations to stop trash companies like this from exploiting users this badly. I hope the EU comes up with something given their recent regulations
@@_Viking That's the issue when we're dealing with a company that built a walled garden ecosystem... it just won't happen. So we have to settle for the second best thing, which is regulations
I’m not. I’m actually the only person that’s forward to it replacing the lightning connector. And this MacBook Pro’s been out for A YEAR now, it’s crazy that it’s taken him THIS long to get to it.
I must say that, watching this with my friend who's a genuine onboard systems engineer for planes (the guy designs planes' computer boards ans makes the systems work with the avionics) both him and I were shocked at how much effort and complex engineering went into making this laptop "single-use" and actually hard to nigh-impossible to repair. Even going further than removing the case cover requires extreme care as there are only metal surfaces pressure or friction fitted on other metal surfaces with a metal plate and screws to secure it instead of cables and plugs. The minutia needed to assemble or disassemble the thing is puzzling compared to literally any other laptop both my friend and I have ever seen opened or fiddled with.
I'm old enough to remember pinto's and chevelles. They all died in 1989 when I was 8, and nobody bought new ones. The dodge neon came out in 1990 same type of car. They lasted till 1998, and then it stopped because everyone in the 90's decided to buy toyotas and hondas instead. Now, once again American Cars...ICE cars...last 500k miles, or 700k clicks.
@@latinreuben why? That’s probably the best Apple product on the market right now in terms of bang for buck value. 18gb ram is enough to run virtually everything you can think of very well and beautifully, outside of extremely high-end/niche programs that maybe .0001% of the market needs.
Louis Rossman recently discussed the problem with Apple's decisions like soldering SSDs with the newer Mac computers and i agree with him in that these newer machines will end up being e-waste at a much earlier time than older serviceable Mac computers.
the SSD problem isn't just an Apple problem. My workplace Thinkpad X1 has also soldered parts, which aren't really repairable when a failure occures. This is becoming more a high-end laptop category manufacturing standard.
5 years or so, 3 if it's in a heavy use environment. That's the kicker of SSDs, they all fail and if it's soldered in place it puts a hard lifespan on the machine it's part of. The value of used M-series macs is going to crater when people start to realise. Weird to think that 2015 was truly the last year of good Macbook Pros for professional use.
@@jani0077 false equivalence. The X1 has replaceable SSD, WIFI card and WAN. Only the ram is not replaceable. None are true for latest Macbooks. There is also no software locks like Apple
The last Apple product I bought was the Ipod Shuffle and I will never in my life buy a new Apple product. Great content Hugh. This is not pro-consumer actions.
Imagine if we didn't have the internet to publicly call out these companies.. We would be living in a dystopian society already. Keep doing what you do man 👍. And shout out to the EU for putting Apple in it's place.
Channels like this are cancer. You have no clue about technology and you are fueling your clique on a lie. Apple pairs lid opening sensors due to security reasons, when the lid is closed, the USBC ports are turned off. You can't connect something that will steal data.
There is also a flip side to this argument; my 2011 MBP keyboard needed replacing a few years ago, and I thought this would be a really fast fix. It was over 60 microscopic screws. Do I prefer screws over rivets in this scenario? Of course. Are 60+ screws needed to secure a roughly 5"x11" keyboard to the aluminum chassis? And yet this 12 yr old machine is accessible, modular, and upgradeable; and still running 24/7 as an iMessage server to my Linux and Android devices.
@@MitchMatrixx windows laptops from that era used clips/tabs that insert into the chassis, basically all you had to do was squeeze the keyboard to get it in or out, I swapped the keyboard on my asus that only cost $20 and took about 5 minutes. Tech really has gone backwards, at least user experience wise, including software such as not having root/admin access on your own devices.
@@vgamesx1 Nah it has not gone backwards, quite the opposite really. This is nothing but complete fucking dipshit fucknuggets deliberately fucking people over because of their silly greed.
I don't know why, but it seems to me that Apple's budget to avoid having their hardware repaired by third parties, whether it's iPhones or MacBooks and everything else, must be several times higher than what they invest in R&D...
There's considerable overlap between the two, they like developing proprietary components as a means of preventing repairs. The "insomnia" problem is a good example of that, they had to design a completely different method of detecting screen angle specifically to make it harder to repair.
Apple is not putting any active effort into making it harder to repair it is just that they do not consider third party repair at all during design. So choices are made just based on reducing cost, increasing production yields, reducing production lead times etc.
Great content!! I traded in my MacBook Pro M1 for ASUS ZenBook 14 i7 last year and never looked back. Same reason I bought a Samsung S23 Ultra for the same money instead of an iPhone 14 Pro Max. Inspite of its build quality I've decided to never again buy Apples products because of its business model.
The use screws as they do a lot of refurbishment. I you get a replacement laptop under warranty it is not a new laptop just a new case with a refurbished internals. This saves apple lots and lots of $$$ since they do not need to direct a new device for warranty replacement instead it's just a new case and glass but refurbished internals. Apple are intact rather good with using screws in products, many other vendors prefer the cheaper plastic clips etc that while they are easy to open once or twice as the device ages and suffers thermal cycles the plastic becomes brittle and snaps.
You're not being courageous enough. Glue is so 19th century. Make every MacBook phone home such that the moment you _try_ to disassemble the laptop, it calls the cops on you and informs them that you're running a child trafficking ring out of it. And Apple's doing it _for your own protection and safety!_
@@Traderhorn Depends a good amount on what OEM you go with, also in value for money it also depends on what you are doing, for many use cases apples laptops are now very competitive in cost with respect to the perfomance you get. Videos highlighting issues with apples laptops are common but that does not mean other vendors do not have these same types of issues just means they do not collect as many clicks on YT so do no get promoted as much by the algorithm.
@@hishnashCan somebody tell me why can't I run my PC games and Siemens Simatic Manager PLC on my brand new M1 Pro MacBook. 😢 Are they didn't compatible?
Glue takes time to cure and has issues with warping and unevenness and bubbles, its cheaper and faster to use screws most of the time. Which is why it baffles me why they insist on using so much glue
Beautifully done video, exposing Apple's horrrific anti-consumer practices. We all benefit from investigative videos such as this, thank you for your valuable efforts.
The amount of money and time you have put in to this video cannot be explained by words just a regular laptop takes a lot of time to take apart and put together. But apple makes always difficult for users to do it themselves. Much appreciated by your work. Hope you wi reach 1M before end of this year. You need a huge shoutout mate
It’s sadly the way many of these products are going. I’m even seeing this issue with new cars as well and all the electronics that they come with. Lots of scams out there with extended warranties in that space. There are even brands trying to charge a monthly subscription just to use certain features it’s insane! Would be nice to get a video at some point about right to repair and how it applies to the automotive industry. Keep up the great work Hugh!
The automotive industry (in Europe anyway) already has laws regarding this. The are a few caveats yes but essentially anyone can repair their car and still be covered under warranty etc as long as you use genuine parts within the warranty period. With regards to the subscription based functions, not sure what people are complaining about it's a good thing as most of these functions people don't generally spec their car with anyway, so you are getting the opportunity to have say, heated seats for the few months you might need them when before you would have probably left it off the specs sheet completely. If you want to spec the car with full time heated seats you still can. It's a non issue made up by people that just want to have a reason to be pissed off imo...
@@readmore7180If I paid several thousand euros extra for heated seats I want to be able to turn them on/off whenever I want. Having a paid subscription for that is just corporate greed and a way to make money continually from things sold once. Maybe in the future the car keys will be a blockchain ETF where you pay say 10% to the manufacturer everytime the car is sold. 😅
@@readmore7180 ur so brainwashed u dont even realise leaving it out of spec?? u already payed for the hardware now u have to pay a montly subscription in order to use it???. montly susbcriptions are for services. blocking ur own hardware from being used by its owner is literally agaisnt the law. Plus i developt parts in the automtotive let me tell u a thing or two about repair parts = non existent badly manufactured to min legal spec non lasting with the sole porpuse enlarging the commerce of the industry that creates it.
@@readmore7180 that’s great to hear. Thanks for clarifying what that subscription stuff was really about. It was more or less something I heard about in headlines and it’s easy for people to put out clickbait out there. When it looked that up again, it was something about BMW and heated seats so good point. Anyway, it’s fascinating how much these issues affect other industries and what other countries have done to solve the problem from what you’ve described. The US needs to take a note there.
Well done. I've been working on Apple computers since the Mac 128k. It's so hard to see people get fooled by this awful company. The stories I can tell. Job well done, keep em coming
Basically Apple is still the unbeatable master at manufacturing e-waste. Most common repairs excluding battery replacements are probably broken screens and keyboards, now both of them are pretty much impossible to do - at least not with reasonable cost.
I saw that the Eu passed a law stating that from 2027 almost everything having a battery such as smartphones will have to be easily replaceable / removable
When you swap the displays they look and act "broken", but both act "broken" in the exact way. And, of course, when swapped back they function just fine. Apple's already been caught intentionally crippling old hardware, why wouldnt they design their hardware to pretend to be broken if someone other than them tries to repair it?
In a sane world you'd put an EPROM in the display if it needed special calibration. Instead they're putting a unique ID on the PROM. In a truly sensible world (i.e. the world of non-Apple displays) the controller in the display panel handles such things itself (if they're even needed), completely transparent to the OS.
I appreciate coverage like this. Bringing these issues to light might stop someone from making a purchase of one of these devices, now having that knowledge.
If only... the target customers will just listen to some influencer talking about performance figures in comparison to other apple hardware. They're incapable of understanding what they are actually buying.
Apple has been practicing scummy tactics for long enough now for people to be aware of it & I bet most do, they just don't care! Look at the comment section. Even some of the ones who complain are still indoctrinated & secretly still give up their wallet at any new Apple product.
@@syclone have u tried using macbook once vs other top-notch windows based laptop without plugging in cable to charge it constantly? you will realize why people buy it. unless arm chip is coming to windows laptop soon, macbook still have edge over intel/amd due to the power efficient chip.
I own Apple Macbook 16 Pro M1. After about a year of owning it, the screen turned black. I did not use it every day. It has not been dropped or abused. I never had any bad experience with windows 10/11 computers. This is going to be my last Apple Macbook unless they make them user friendly and easy to repair. I had very reliable iphone 6 and ipads.
@@Rparam000 I purchased it from Costco so it had extended warranty. It was repaired free of charge. The computer is excellent but it is scary to think about an expensive machine with soldered SSD and low reliability.
Actually REWA figured out the issue after doing the same test. They had to remove the bottom trim from both the original LCDs and unsolder two IC Chips then swap them and re-solder them in the replacement LCD. After doing so the LCDs worked fine without any programming from Apple. It is still ridiculous that Apple does this and I hope it gets outlawed soon as it just creates more electronic waste.
Back in the day friends and classmates claimed one of the justifications for the MacBook's high price was its quality and longevity, and it seemed to be so compared to some PC laptops, but these days it seems to very much not be the case...
Last time I bought a mac was in 2009, you could even replace the battery without removing any screws. I replaced the HDD with an SSD and upgraded the RAM sticks too.
I had the cheapest 2015 MacBook Pro for audio production at uni. That thing soldiered through massive projects I would not expect Windows (at the time) to handle at the same spec, and it just kept going. I still have it, though I don't have much use for it these days. I wouldn't bother with a MacBook these days if I was in the same situation.
Channels like this are cancer. You have no clue about technology and you are fueling your clique on a lie. Apple pairs lid opening sensors due to security reasons, when the lid is closed, the USBC ports are turned off. You can't connect something that will steal data.
Great buyer beware content. I will continue to steer clear of Apple with my back close to a wall as I scoot by their retail outlets. At the price points you mentioned and what you showed, looks like a pretty raw deal - given the flimsy cables, sticky battery etc.
I’ve saved five retina-era MacBook Pros of friends/family with DIY repairs - one SSD failure, one screen burned out, one screen broken from accidental damage, two battery replacements. A couple of these occurred around the 3 year mark - and those devices got another 4 or 5 years of use after repair. It’s really sad the efforts Apple has put into preventing affordable DIY repair going forward. I hope the EU can put them back into their place as a device manufacturer, not the lifetime owner of the devices they sell.
Not to mention the ever increasing land fill of Apple products in this era of recycling and trying to save the planet. Apple is doing the opposite out of greed.
I love how americans are realizing pure capitalism sucks and turn to the EU to do the socialism for them. keep it up! Maybe one day you also get free healthcare. 😉
I work IT for a school district and had to repair one of the new Macbook Air M2s and saying those are anti repair is a joke- They're repair hostile. The first one I took apart I managed to cut my hand pretty seriously on the back panel, dripping blood on the ground type of cut. It also took my entire team multiple days to get the back panel on after we'd removed it for the first time. And we went through Apple's official training. Though I'll never be able to stop thinking about "single use heatsink". They aren't kidding- you can only use each heat sink once. If you have to remove it there is NO way to do so without destroying it.
Yeah, that's why most of us in IT (At least those working for large companies) hate macs and don't want anything to do with those expensive pieces of shit. Always something that doesn't work, always something that breaks and isn't easily repairable or replaceable to keep the user's downtime to a minimum, there's always something it's not compatible with, requiring you to do the same job twice juuuuuust for the damn macs, the OS doesn't let you do what you need to do, no Active Directory and the list goes on. Just a fucking nightmare to work with. That's why companies usually go for all Windows laptops. Not Linux, not Mac OS. Windows. I work for a university that has several thousand employees. We don't have time to waste on that garbage, though we still have to cope with ignorant students and professors who use macs but we sure as hell don't touch anything remotely related to repairs. We help them do what they're trying to do but it stops there. We ain't gonna fix their macs, they gotta go somewhere else for that cause those computers don't belong to the university in question. It's their personal laptop and it's not our problem they decided to buy that.
Oh no, I'm not arguing for Macs. Though admittedly I don't think I'd argue for Windows either. Either way is so much headache and bullshit- I worked for Dell doing warranty service for a year and if I ever have to touch an Optiplex 5080 again it's going to be to hurl the piece of shit out of the window. All the universities in my area love the giant bastards and they're all 18 tons and they all take ages to get apart, and they all sucked. And the Precisions (7560...) haunt my nightmares. I've cut my hand on some of THOSE too, and I wanna say a high end latitude with an aluminum chassis. I have a hard time remembering any of it because I spent most of it in a stress-and-insomnia induced fugue state. It all sucks. I love computers, I love my work, but some days make me consider becoming Amish.
@@NGC-6302 Yeah I know you weren't advocating for macs, just sharing my experience of having to deal with those. I've handled quite a few Optiplex too and they were the ones from the early 2000s. Yeah they weigh 18 tons and they're way more annoying to work inside of than any custom-made PC, there's no question about that. I'd still rather have every single computer be a DELL Optiplex than a mac. Nothing is perfect in this world. I also was around when HP fucked up their Pavilion laptops in the late 2000s. There was a design flaw that caused a solder to literally melt near the CPU and fried the motherboard. Even if the computer was still under warranty and physical damage had been caused by users who btw all had the exact same issue, HP wouldn't want to repair it under warranty. If you wanted that "fixed", the entire motherboard had to be replaced and it cost around $500, almost the full price of those laptops. I kinda miss the time when Elitebooks and Probooks were actually good. Took 5 seconds to open and everything was readily accessible. Took 2 minutes to get to the keyboard and you didn't have to take the entire computer apart. They were designed to be easily and quickly repairable under warranty by any authorized repair shop, was super easy to order replacement parts and it would take a few days at most for the customer to get their laptop back unlike the pavilions which had to be sent to HP for like a month cause HP was adamant about not wanting to provide any parts for the cheap ass best buy / Future shop models.
My brother went the apple route about 6 years ago when he got married. I always was the family "computer guy" because I did it as a job, but I told him I am not touching any apple repairs, you're stuck with apple. And of course he's spent multiple thousands and extra trips to the "genius bar" getting new phones, tablets, or computers after a drop, or a drink gets knocked onto the laptop while chasing after a baby. The result is always the same "I'll just get a new one because fixing it costs way too much" .
I'm not going to defend Apple, but I like the products so I keep buying them. I never cracked a screen or caused other damage that needed repair. I've had Apple replace a few worn out batterries. However, I do hope the governments will force Apple to make their products easily repairable.
@@bikeman7982 Apple and other big companies actually control your so called "governments".... Its all who has the most money to lobby congress/parlament to pass bills and laws. Have fun with your so called "freedoms" XD
I mean I use an iPhone but I’m not the type of person to crack my screen immediately after buying it. I can usually go a solid 3-4 years on one phone until my carrier begs me to upgrade
Don't you see. Things like this make that type of person even MORE enamored with the product! The more infamously expensive, difficult and costly to maintain, etc. the more of a status symbol the object becomes... Similar to a BMW that way. It's just a car.. But because it has that expensive badge, and is infamously expensive to maintain, people will often live beyond their means, to 'flex' their fake richness. Climbing out of their overpriced BMW, with an overpriced Starbucks coffee in one hand, and an overpriced Apple device in the other..
I'm just half way throuh in video 9:55 Just came here to Thank You for showing this important new man. MKBHD or Linus never talked about this. I really appriciate your work brother. you are out of the box a real tech guy we need!! Thank you.
It'd be very interesting to swap the lid sensors of the laptops and take one into Apple for repair. Knowing that all that's required is a software calibration, I wonder what they would charge and how they would diagnose the "issue"
They would replace the sensor, the in store vendors do not have tools to do new calibration all they are able to do is pull existing calibration profiles that come with new parts. When you get a new part you get a part SN number, this is what allows the laptop (in diagnostic mode) to pull the profile from apples servers. There is no part calibration happening at repair time.
@@hishnash that's a very interesting insight, thank you. That said, I'd still be curious to see what they charge for pulling down those profiles. Also whether or not they would attempt that process on the sensor currently in the laptop, since it is already a genuine Apple part.
@@matts7335 They will not attempt it of rate current part in the device, the people doing repairs in apple stores are not exactly skilled repair tech and they will assume that if you have a un-piared part in a Mac that it has been recorded from a locked stolen mac. What apple should do is make it possible for us to access that profile (from apples servers) if and only if the current device it is assigned to has not been reported as stolen (or any past devices). But that would require dev effort from apple and what would they get out of that? Much simpler to just have a policy in the stores of only pulling profiles for parts the stores pull from the repair stockpile they own.
Glad you’ve covered this, many are or have been on eBay with this issue. Apple has no reason not to allow people to access the calibration other than to make more money and lockdown repair to only parts they sell you.
Not being able to replace the keyboard is crazy, I did it myself on an 11 inch Acer laptop, and I'm definitely a novice at tech repair. Replaced a battery in an iPhone 5 once and it was terrifying. Have been too afraid to attempt replacing battery in my Samsung note 8
man i am never gonna repair a apple device by myself i repaired redmi phones ,samsung phones and lenovo phone once and a hp laptop in which i changed the screen the keyboard and the battery and addded 4 gigs of ram and added a ssd it worked fine untill the display wire broke and i fixed it and it worked and was very easy to repair why apple is making laptop harder to repair
Useless Authoritarian EU did something smart for once, at some point soon, it will be illegal to sell phones in EU that you can't change the battery on.
I worked in a computer repair shop a few years ago. We were taking apart an iphone and my buddy dropped one of the tiniest screws on the floor. We were both like..."Nobody move!" Then we carefully got down on the floor with a magnet to try and find it. The magnet did find it, and we were much more careful after that. I hate working on phones and tablets. I've had mixed success. My son's Google Pixel needed a new battery. I read online that even the experts were breaking the screen trying to get it off, so I was extremely careful. I got it off, got in the new battery, and it worked fine...for one week, and then it went black and that was the end. Very frustrating!
I did a repair of this unit days ago, Macbook pro M1 pro (A2242). It will only be done by a skilled techs with an experience for micro soldering. there's a 2 embedded integrated chips inside the display need to transferred from the broken retina display to new retina display. it is not an easy job to do! but after the repair, there is no rectangular shapes on the upper part of the display, all features are working fine :D If you need help replacing it especially if you are from The Philippines. I can do that repair!
It kinda feels like apple is trying to make 3rd party repairers look incompetent with things like the messed up backlight and buggy behavior. I get the same kind of feeling when they disable auto brightness on phones with replaced screens. Its basically malicious compliance with repairs at this point.
The issue is that the device is operating without the backlight calibration, this is to be expected. Mini-led arrays are going to have a large amount of per LED variation (the alternative is throwing away almost all of the backlights you product as once you have thousands of LEDs the chances that all of them behave exactly the same is more or less 0).
It's basically you will own nothing and you will praise the Feudalist Corporations for the grace of being allowed to touch THEIR devices that sit in your own home.
@@hishnashso, make this info on the display, not in motherboard. Also, patterns are consistent, theres no way its just variation in leds. You sound like a bootlicker.
@@hishnashbut why they are not storing calibration data on the screen itself? It can be done and it won't be overengineering (at leats by apple's standards)
@@Dizrak Costs more to do it this way. 1) the chip on the display needs to have enough storage to store the backlight profile (this is not small) 2) you need an extra step in the production line to flash the profile back onto the screen chip after testing the screen Just having a much cheaper SN chip and saving the profile on a server makes production cheaper. For vendors that have small production runs this change in process is not worth it but for apple who are ordering millions of each display chainng the production process to do this saves money and increases the number of displays they can get made due to making the production simpler.
limitless when there are so many sheep worshippers in the world who are unable to create identities without showing of expensive devices. pathetic sheeps
@@RockG.o.d Im sure there would be more teens and young adults using Windows laptops for school if Windows did not stop Windows 7 cause 7 was out for a long time and everyone knew how to use 7
@@theengineer2017 doubt it. You use a Mac and just feel how intuitive it is to use, then you use an iPhone and see how seamlessly they both work together, then you look at a comparable windows laptop and think, there isn’t really anything which compares to it. Trackpads on windows machines, though getting a lot better, are still a disappointment, where as Mac trackpads have been unbeaten for a long time. The battery life usually lasts all day without problems. The only real disappointing thing about apple is their lack of care for the environment. Sure for a company they do the right thing in terms of manufacturing, but they still care more for their shareholder profits than reducing landfill of end products. I still have a 2012 MacBook which is used, and also a 2017 retina model and a newer 2021 model. The first 2 have some repairability, and the latest one has the least. Didn’t need soldered in ssd, we know why they did it, though they may say otherwise.
It really gets back to the saying to the saying there's no law against making a profit. Apple will profit with amazing gear like this that basically becomes throw away devices come repair time.
This is why I will stick to using Dell Precisions - the fit and finish and build quality of a MacBook, balls to the walls performance, but also has full repairability.
One of these days, I hope there is a solid competitor to the M1 and M2 laptops that can run linux. I really love my experience with those computers and their insane performance and battery life but I am sick of this company and their war against the consumer.
The M1 and M2 are ahead pretty much only because Apple paid for priority access to TSMC's 5nm and 3nm fabs. i.e. It's not that the M architecture is special, it's just the size they're manufactured at. AMD began manufacturing on TSMC 5nm with Zen 4, which are competitive. Intel is still on the equivalent of TSMC 7nm (in terms of transistors per mm^2). IOW, AMD and probably Intel could beat out Apple's CPUs if they were willing to outbid Apple for priority access to TSMC's newest fabs. They're not because they don't feel they need to compete with Apple (Apple has only 10% market share). It's also worth pointing out that Intel's decades-long dominance of the CPU market was also because their fabs were 2-3 generations ahead of anyone else in the world. So even if their architecture was inferior, they could produce it smaller thus using less power so they could crank up the clock speed to outrun the competition. Their lead evaporated when they got stuck on 14nm for 7 years (normally they shrink the fab size about every 3-3.5 years). Broadwell (5th gen) all the way to Alder Lake (12th gen). That coincided with AMD surpassing Intel (AMD uses TSMC so continued enjoying die shrinks while Intel was stuck). If Intel grabs the fab lead over TSMC, Apple (and AMD) get relegated to second tier again. Intel's equivalent to TSMC 4nm is supposed to be out later this year. And 3nm next year.
@@Akira-xc2zi ARM (RISC) actually performs worse than x86 (CISC) clock for clock. Apple gets around that deficit by loading up their processors with gobs of specialized hardware co-processors to help speed up specific operations which would take the core much longer to do in software. The M1 and M2 have substantially more transistors than AMD and Intel's offerings as a result (the opposite of what you'd expect from a RISC architecture). And they tend to fall behind when you task them to do lots of the same operations in parallel (the hardware co-processors can only handle 1 or 2 at a time, whereas each of the AMD/Intel cores can crunch through it).
@@solandri69 From what I heard, there's also a whole "instruction decoding bottleneck" issue with x86's variable length machine instructions limiting the degree to which you can parallelize the instruction decoding stage of the pipeline.
@@ssokolow The arbitrary length of x86-* instructions certainly doesn't help. In contrast, both 32-bit (A32) and 64-bit (A64) ARM instructions are 32 bits long, when running in Thumb mode (T16) instructions are 16-bit, and when running in Thumb-2 (T32) mode they are either 16-bit or 32-bit. At any given time only one instruction format can be active: A64, A32, T32, or T16. In any case, arguments are almost always 32- or 64-bit. This _vastly_ simplifies decoding.
Electrical Design Engineer here, I suspect the way to fix the Lid angle sensor (without calibration) would be to attempt the remove or replace the magnet and rotate it until the desired effect appears. It seems they are using a 2 or 3-axis magnetic sensor to observe a diametrically magnetized magnet. If they wanted a better accuracy than 5 degrees (likely manufacturing tolerance of both the magnet and the installation of it into the case) then they would have needed to perform a calibration in any case, so to save money on assembly they just had them place the magnet in without the extra steps of positioning it exactly and performed a software calibration on bootup. The scariest part of this is that now Apple knows how many degrees your screen is open... j/k I can't think of an evil purpose for that other than them spying on how you use your device in order to bombard you with work ads when it angles match your work desk, or blast you with workout or food ads when it's resting on your lap in bed.
Imagine you forgot one screw after you put everything together 🤭😂 Thank you for your videos Hugh, very much needed in these anti-repair/subscription-fee times.
It may seem like a PC master race kind of comment, but I stand by the fact that building your own gives you superior control over changing things. Even in terms of laptops, other brands are far more forgiving for upgrades and repairs. It's just not worth it for the 'environmental' BS Apple puts on if minor or even moderate things can basically turn a 2.5k laptop into e-waste for our environment.
I can literally add a brand new stick of RAM into my Dell laptop and not only does it not break, but Dell helps me to rectify any issues caused by adding that stick of RAM in too, granted I've paid for their highest support tier.
This is why I build my own desktops and when I finally bought a laptop I ended up getting a cheap used Thinkpad from ebay. However, newer ones of even these 'buisiness grade' laptops are getting less and less repairable and I actually have one of the last T series that has the dual batteries. Strongly considering a Framework or something like it if I ever buy a new laptop.
Thank God when I finally got a MacBook, I decided to get MacBook Pro mid-2012, upgraded the ram and hard drive and installed Linux Mint on it. Best $85 I've spent this year.
"I was always able to see the defects in the design of an instrument which overlooked completely the need of its maintenance." - Leo Fender Outstanding video. Thanks.
Good quote but I don't think maintenance was overlooked, Apple know exactly what they're doing. Systematically screwing over the owner and cutting out third-party repair. Sadly there's nobody powerful or resourceful enough to take them to court to force them to change their ways. Would be great if there was.
Making the machine hard to repair (or at least overlooking repairability while designing the machine) is definitely intentional. It is a form of planned obsolescence.
@@relooc Don't quote me on this but I have heard that the EU is making inroads into getting Apple to change some of their ways. I'm not fully aware of all the nuances and details of that though.
I had the display on my 14" M1 pro machine replaced on the warranty at an authorized repair shop, as it periodically flickered. After the repair, even though it was calibrated, it still had exactly the same anomaly just to the right of the notch, as you show in the video. I talked to them the day after handing it in again, and they said the same error occurred on another replacement screen. They fixed it in the end, not sure how though
Is the angle sensor paired with the display or with the hinge itself? If it's detecting the orientation of a magnetic field, it's the sensor and the magnet pair that go together. Couldn't tell whether that magnet went with the display or if it was a part of the body of the laptop. Insanity either way.
Do you think Apple have a dedicated clearing stage where they ensure that their devices are difficult to repair? Complete with presentations figures & everything? Or even a specialized design & engineering team with the single task of working out anti-repair guidelines for the product designers?
Nah, that'd leave FAR too much of a paper trail, something that people don't understand about adversarial action/conspiracies is that they don't even necessarily HAVE TO be legislated in any way(in this case, that'd be what you're suggesting, de jure), but can just be de facto, which would be nudging the engineers or maybe even assembly line designers to do this in word instead of in contract, say, with bonuses contingent on it or something.
1000% yes. This is not a company that just makes decisions without considering all the benefits and downsides. Firstly, the decisions to glue the battery in place and solder the RAM in place are very clearly well considered. Both require the consumer to get the part upgraded/replaced by Apple, and then Apple reaps the profits. Secondly, why would they use so many screws with different heads? There is no need for this, they are simply trying to make repair more difficult. It takes so much time to remove all those screws and time is money, so repair shops will charge more to repair. The price goes up to the point where a 3rd party repair isn't much cheaper than an Apple repair. At this point the customer might simply consider taking it to Apple instead. Even when new EU laws come into place forcing Apple to make internal parts more easily replaceable, I will never again buy any of their products.
Buying Apple and Windows is like Buying A Mercedes Benz or Toyota 😂…. Even Toyota you can repair outside their dealer you still have to purchase genuine parts from Toyota for the repair. Only difference is the labour cost to repair …. But what is a fuss if you can buy a mac book to repair at premium price? Can’t afford simply don’t use it then you will be happier 🙏🏽😁 Learn what to have not what to buy …. 🙏🏽😁
I personally fixed over 16,000 iPhones from 2010 to 2016 but quickly learned Apple didn't like shops (or people) fixing their devices. This became apparent when they started mating the iPhone 5S's home button to the motherboard, which killed the fingerprint functionality if replaced with non-Apple parts. I got out of the business because, after the iPhone 6, each year, they made their phones more difficult to repair. Recently, I wanted to get a program that was only available on Macs (I use Windows). I got my daughter's old mid-2010 Macbook Pro, installed a 128GB SSD, and upgraded the RAM to 8GB for under $30. Then I upgraded the OS to Catalina. Now, the computer works like new. People should consider purchasing old Macs (and PCs) and not give these greedy companies any more of their hard-earned cash.
@@FlyByWire1what excuse does apple have for 4 years of the butterfly keyboard? Their devices aren't repairable. They aren't cheap. They aren't a startup making first generation computers... So what's the justification?
@@xmlthegreat I think Apple tried a new design and it didn’t work out. That happens. They recognized the flaws and that’s why they started the free keyboard replacement program for all the models within that time frame. Then they redesigned the keyboard to fix what they did wrong. What else would you want them to do?
Can confirm the display and backlight anomalies are caused by a loss of calibration. Threw me a curve ball when installing replacements at Apple the first time, as it looked like the replacement display was defective until the System Configuration suite was run. After running the calibration suite, the anomalies disappeared and the screen worked normally.
@@ar_xiv That's correct, you can't. I worked in one of their service locations for a while. The configuration tool is cloud-based, accessible only to technicians with valid credentials, and contains its own set of restrictions and lockout to limit where replacement parts can be sourced from. From my understanding, the configuration tool can't be run unless 1) an active repair case against the serial number of the computer being repaired is open in their repair system, 2) the part to configure has been ordered within that repair case, and the new part being installed matches the serial number of the supplied part they have on file, and 3) the serial numbers of both the old and new parts have been entered into the system for verification purposes. This prevents the installation of any part that wasn't sold by Apple specifically for the purposes of that repair, and prohibits the use and configuration of components sourced elsewhere, including used but otherwise working genuine ones.
@@micbr508 incredibly whack. it feels like something that may be able to be simply downloaded or bypassed in the future via "jailbreak" or apple loosening their grip on the process. I'm not holding my breath though. In fact I'm holding my 2012 mbp lol.
At that price and level of reparability, I won't be a customer anyway. The old joke comes true. "How much to repair the screen?" Repair shop "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Nonsense I know people with many high end cars luxury stuff that ask how expensive it will be the repair to know if they need to buy a new one. Even if you have money you dont want to be screwed.
Hugh on the lid angle sensors I would recommend trying the swap again but after reassembly connect the MacBook to power and let it boot without opening the display when it has completed the boot then open the display. What I think may be happening is that when you connect the Mac to power after the replacement it is taking the current position of the display as closed.
Regardless, his video and it's "proof" shouldn't require the discovery or recommendation of a different video to be validated. I say this as someone that doesn't like Apple at all.
Great video. Please note following: 1) You should remove the BMS (battery management system) flex cable from the logic board, before removing the track pad flex. Otherwise you could short the logic board. 2) If you untighten/remove the lid angle sensor (LAS) and retighten/reinstall it again, it will not be 100 % calibrated as before. The magnetic field will be different. It is not an ordinary hall effect sensor.
These pricey laptops are quite pathetic from a durable and sustainable point of view. In stead of the "Right To Repair", Apple says: "Never mind The Repair". Thanks Hugh for this research and showing the evidence!
Wow this video took some dedication and a lot of work - but it's really valuable for providing facts and a very clear example of Apple's anti #rightToRepair stance.
The Apple-cult must quit it already. They are paying a premium to get F'ed in the A, and look down on people not having Apple products. How Apple managed this is a feat, but you Apple users really need to wake up and see that there's better alternatives. People who don't get Apple products, don't get it because they are "poor".
Why spend taxpayer dollars on regulating Apple when, you know, you could just not buy their products? There are better companies, aren’t there? And you wouldn’t want to look like an Apple sheep if you bought from other companies instead… Why can’t complainers just ditch Apple altogether? It’s the worst anyway.
Surprised it’s taken this long for ya to getting around to disassembling this. After watching a lot of your stuff recently throughout this summer, seeing how much Apple screws us over more and more. I’ve been curious about how they do the same thing with these newer MacBooks. Not surprised to see the BS occur with too, it’s even more despicable too considering how much these things are costing now.
I have known about the sleep issue since the end of last year but I went overseas for a month in January and when I got back I just couldn't part with the $6,000 to buy them so i explored other options, including just doing a talking head video about it. But in the end i really needed to do my usual parts swap tests to know for sure whats going on. I am just fortunate Hoxton Macs sent me these just for this video, wouldn't of happened otherwise.
Do companies that send you devices make you return them? if they do it'd suck to have to get new ones for every problem you'd wanna cover and missed@@HughJeffreys
And the upsetting bit is the fact that - just like the 14-inch models shown in the video - this problem also affects the 16" Pro, a model that costs more.
Loved the details and the in-depth analysis; believe me when I say that this is the first time I ever heard and practically saw the repairs on these laptops. They are drowning to a dead end. Now I am happy: i have some proof to fight those who disagree 😅.
@@gandalfwiz20007 Before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back for how smart you are, remember that this is the direction that every manufacturer in every industry is going. Apple is just leading the way.
@mallninja9805 I don't see Asus or Sony doing what Apple is doing. For example, not upgrading you macpro or replace the screen....that is anti user, anti human practice
@@gandalfwiz20007not *yet* , just wait a couple of years. Samsung made fun of apple for removing the headphone jack... Then turned around and did the same thing a year later. Apple is the rotten apple of the bunch that spoils the rest.
Thank you for these videos, Hugh. I have left the Apple ecosystem behind for Android. I was sick of getting scammed by a multi-billion dollar corporation.
its not even like the laptop is worth it, at that price point i could buy aa msi stealth 17 studio a13v which isnt necessarily more repairable but it sure has some really good performance for being a whole 1000 dollars less then the best macbook pro (i9-13900h, 32gb of ddr5, rtx 4090, 2tb ssd)
Android (ie Google) isnt really much better as they keep trying to mimic Apple. They basically just wait to see if Apples anti-consumer practices work, and if people accept them by buying their overpriced crap, then do it themselves.
I grew up in the 1980s so I was a ZX Spectrum guy, got an Amiga and Atari ST. I have never ever cared about Apple stuff! watched the company grow huge and now its got to the point where they have truly got the sheep locked into their brand. Insane tbh.
Insane is the fanbois paying 1000s more for an inferior product. Or how anti-developer the EULA is for those that want to develop apps for Apple's mobile marketplace. But these people keep eating up everything Apple instead of looking for alternatives.
Anti-consumer practices have to be outlawed. If not for the consumers, then at the very least for the environment. But in reality also the consumers deserve not to be ripped off like that
It's all about what "Situation" you're in. Situation 01 - regular consumer who wants to DIY - and believes that the device is theirs after purchase. Situation 02 - Stockholder/investor in Apple - and you've asked Apple at the latest investors meeting- and how exactly do you intend to "Lock-In" all those stock dividends that you promised I'd be getting every month?
Jobs' idea wasn't "let's make it harder to repair", it was that he wanted computing to be ubiquitous in everyday life enough that it's basically an interactive, high quality appliance. Talk to Dell and HP and Lenovo as well. Most corporate workplaces, if the machine seems to stop functioning properly, their IT department will connect up, do a couple of diagnostics and see if it can be fixed immediately remotely. If not, they're unlikely to take it apart. If they think it's still usable, they might re-image it and see if it can be put back in service. They're not spending hours on component diagnostics, repair and replacement. Their job is to get people back to work as quickly as possible.
@@PurblePink8678main issue with windows laptops is that it drains battery much faster than macbooks + many laptops still use only 1080p displays even in higher price ranges which look straight up worse than display in macbooks
Given the swapped display angle sensors exhibited odd behaviour around 90°, I wonder if Apple just doesn't bother controlling which orientation the magnet is installed during the display assembly (assuming the magnet's a square prism).
As someone who went through secondary school during the mid to late 2010s and witnessing macbooks of that era, being unable to replace the screen is awful, especially with my perception because those ones back then, the displays shattered if you accidentally left a sheet of paper on the keyboard. Not hyperbole, thats what happened to one of my classmates back then
my school has the 2017 macbook pros, the insanely thin ones, in our photoshop class, and a kid shattered the screen because he was eating near the computer, and a piece of salt fell onto the body by one of the corners, he didn't notice and when he shut the laptop screen, that tiny little salt chunk decided it was the end of that macbook
Thank you for finally covering this. I remember mentioning this subject to you in a previous video. This is why I’m using a mid 2012 Unibody MacBook Pro 13 inch with Ventura using a patcher.
@@modquad18 I want to get one of those 2008 Aluminum Unibody MacBooks and also an aluminum PowerBook G4. My Mid-2012 MacBook Pro works great but needs a RAM upgrade as it only has 4GB 1600mhz DDR3 and it can have up to 16GB. I’m also gonna put either a 1TB or 2TB SSD in it to replace my 240GB SSD that is currently in my MacBook. I’ll keep the OS X Mountain Lion partition but expand it to the full 240GB and put that in one of those enclosures that go where the SuperDrive goes and put the SuperDrive in a USB enclosure. With Apple Silicon in the Mac and no more Intel ones that means when macOS only supports Apple Silicon, no more updates through patchers on Intel Macs. It’ll be like the PowerPC to Intel transition but it’s probably gonna be a while for that to happen. My MacBook needs some work done to it and hopefully I can get it running good. I’ll even get a 27” Thunderbolt Display for it to use at my desk along with the USB keyboard with the side ports and a 1st gen Magic Mouse as those don’t have the stupid charging port and just need batteries.
Yeah I think I am officially going to get a Framework computer. I am not into tinkering myself. But I do want something that can be repaired if damaged slightly. I'd gladly trade in battery life and performance for something that can actually be fixed.
Try an Eluktronics, if you're into gaming at all. I got one of a whim and I love that it didn't come with an bloatware unlike most Windows computers. No pre-installed Candy Crush either
I'd probably get a Framework too if I needed another machine, just to support them as the concept is great. I've always favored the business class ThinkPads, those are still very repairable.
lol, if youre getting a framework computer why are you looking at a macbook repair video, this is the other end of the extreme, besides with framework you will get repairability at the cost of a better screen, ssd, worse software in windows more glitches with your wifi, worse performance with no battery backup, just get apple care and let them take care of you
@@nikhilb6914 Was just researching the topic to replace my aging 2015 macbook pro Also, you are more so stating opinions than facts. Sure, the screen is worse. Other then that, you start making no sense. You realize that with an NVME, I am getting the same or better performance than Apple M1/2 right? And when those chips die, I don''t have to replace the ENTIRE mobo because Apple soldered it to the board. My data is 100x more protected BECAUSE it's (user) replacable.) Windows, MacOS and GNU+Linux all have their pros and cons. To say that one is so terrible despite the it being the most popular OS ever used, is ignorant. Same as "glitchy wifi." What does that even mean? Also what do you mean with no battery backup? Does Apple give you a UPS with your laptop which has a battery in it already? And the "just get apple care" makes no sense anymore after a few years because you are slowly starting to pay more than the device is worth. With Framework, I can go to any technician as they offer every detail they need on their website which is way cheaper and better.
@@nikhilb6914 Fun fact: most people can't (or don't want to) shell out thousands and thousands of dollars for a toy computer that can't do half of what windows can
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Apple: Boasts about self repair
Also apple: Makes it f*cking impossible to repair anything by yourself
Apple and their fanbase's hipocrisy.
Their self repair problem was only implemented to make regulations calm down a bit. Apple clearly doesn't give a shit.
They can help you not replace a ribbon cable by not supplying it and then helping the laptop self destruct when the slightest fault happens on the ribbon cable and it sends 60v to all the important low voltage parts.
Apple: "Glad we could help!"
It's because not many people really care about Right to repairs - until their devices are actually broken. Apples don't grow on human kindness and humility - they only grow on profitability and capitalism.
Well all those to pleased so called investors + bankers. They must keep pumping money to them, by milking the customer ofcourse. The final target is for you to rent hardware & subscribe for software+services
I still can't wrap my head around the idea that there are people who go out of their way to defend a company like apple unpaid.
It's because they like the idea of being part of a technological elite. So they think. They still don't understand that the only club they're joining is the dumb club.
It's an ego and delusion thing - "i need/deserve the status symbol. I'm too brilliant and my opinions are important to many (self perceived-delusion). It's impossible for me to be in the wrong, furthermore when people show they trust me (either genuine or delusional confirmation bias)."
Then they proceed to unknowingly try and change the narrative to fit their self-perceived brilliance and social status.
You see the same with fashion and certain car/brands, all falls into the category of status-symbol property.
It’s the ecosystem 😂
@@Dropz_RSA Or perhaps, the echo system.
My first computer was a 2nd hand Mac Classic, purchased in 1991. I defended Apple to all my PC friends (was just me and 1 other kid who owned Apples), citing how much better they were, better products, better OS. I repeated that mantra for decades... but no longer. I don't see any Mac made in the past 5 years that I would want to buy. When my current Mac reaches its end of life, I'm guessing I'll either be looking at a Hacintosh running the last Intel friendly MacOS... or... or... *shrug* Maybe I'll just go sit in a park and talk to the pigeons.
The "pro" is a short for "prohibited for diy repair"
😂 it's funny because it's true.
honestly besides battery and ports, what other components would you even expect to have to diy repair
Even Pro repair guy still can't fix those peace of sh*t
@@many029s anything that breaks, screen, trackpad, keyboard
@@many029sssd Ram wifi ? Those don't exist for you ?
Great video, Hugh.
35 years in IT and I still cannot understand why people are so fiercely loyal to a company that fleeces its customers and sticks its middle finger up at the independent repair industry. It just makes no sense to me.
That's rational, only using pure brain. Apple groupies run on emotions, prestige etc.
Apple targets the normies, the creatives who are non-techies. Especially for those who want an ecosystem that just works, even at a premium price. Price also factors in in catering to the hipsters.😁🤑
The word you're looking for is "Retards"
Thats like mercedes owners and other crap for the rich. Look I have apple I am rich. Nothing else. Status icon for retards.
@@hakhaimoit makes no sense?..... 3 Trillion.
I used to open my laptop up just for fun and clean it every year back when I used windows machines. Even early macbooks. But this is the first time a disassembly video triggered my gag reflexes and gave me anxiety. These design practices should be criminal with how much these machines cost and how critical they are in many people's daily lives.
you can still open them up to do that. and I think you can replace the fan still.
Screen repair started dying when horrible quality factory rejects were the only screens available.
Back in 2011 it was still possible to buy LG boxes that said A on the side. A few years later, only grade 9 and 5. Now it's literally total garbage if you want LCD cells by themselves. They're unusable if you care about the quality you're giving customers.
Now it doesn't matter what grade screen you buy, they will have the same defect without Apples calibration...
Planned obsolescence.
That's bad but gets even more ridiculous when even Apple refuse to replace a screen on a high end iMac Pro, as happened in the LTT fiasco.
Watching this video reminds me of that scene from that old Redford film Sneakers. The team tracks the macguffin to a toy factory that has laser trip wires and electrified fences. Redford says 'the whole building screams "go away".
From the moment you start opening that laptop, every single step is unambiguously discouraging you from continuing. It's laughable and I had no idea it was this bad.
I went through 2 or 3 U2711s until they got me one without dust/dirt in the panel. All the LG stuff back in 2011 had it in professional screens, it was ridiculous. Because Crapple bought up all the A grade stuff..
As an IT hardware reseller and support company, this is the exact reason I stopped buying or recommending any Apple products. Ive ditched my iphone, got rid of my Macbook Air 2013. Never will i go back to Apple unless they change these working practices.
Great video!
@@Gamersoft1124Pro it was getting old bless it. I've gone Asus Zenbook oled
I've got no regrets.
LOL the „junk“ in this video is the best computer I’ve ever owned.
Who gives a shit if the screen is hard to replace. With Apple care it’s their problem if that ever is necessary.
@@UloPe bro you need to open your eyes. You are what is also called a apple slave. You dont see the problem. Your are exactly what they want you to be. Its literally cheaper to not make the device unrepairable. The only reason apple care exists is because of apples greedy scrumpy stinky ass. It wouldnt need to.
@UloPe immediately, that's the problem! The fact you have to use Applecare means you don't actually own it.
@@UloPe I think youre missing the point. I give a shit as do many other becasuie we have the abilty to fix stuff but Apple wont let us.
Its fascinating how we went from cost cutting measures (rivets and glue instead of screws etc) making things harder to repair to cost increasing measures (way more screws and types of screws then needed) making things harder to repair.
Yea its called greed XD they know a loyal apple customer will pay for the products XD us poor people out here try to be " cool " cause they have an iphone XD Android all the way
all the screws cut from proper uses were rededicated to screwing the customer over.
android is no differant. they are slowing following apple@@TheyCallMeZiggs
@@TheyCallMeZiggsfr apple customers are stupid😂
Soldering components and not allowing 'unverified parts' is bad enough, but making things glitch out for no good reason to make the person think they failed the repair is next level anti consumer.
I disagree. It is pure genius. If you can come up with stuff like that, you will most likely become the top laptop making company
@@Shineinpovertyno.
@@Shineinpovertythats crazy because apple laptops suck. you can get a WAYYYYY better laptop for that price
@@User-ot1cg
Yet watch Apple profits soar because idiots keep buying it anyway.
@@thespud1094he's not saying it's right, but it is smart
I have performed multiple screen swaps on the 2015 - 2019 MacBook Pros. This is insane that Apple yet again makes things artificially non-repairable. We need regulations that make these practices illegal.
also... 6500 USD for a 14 inch 1 terabyte laptop with only 16 gigs of ram
LMAO!!
absolutely
My thought too. This is getting ridiculous, we need regulations to stop trash companies like this from exploiting users this badly. I hope the EU comes up with something given their recent regulations
When people stop buying these computers, then the problem is solved
@@_Viking That's the issue when we're dealing with a company that built a walled garden ecosystem... it just won't happen. So we have to settle for the second best thing, which is regulations
Everyone losing their minds because USB-C comes to iPhone 10 years late, meanwhile Apple pulls another sneaky one on us.
I’m not. I’m actually the only person that’s forward to it replacing the lightning connector. And this MacBook Pro’s been out for A YEAR now, it’s crazy that it’s taken him THIS long to get to it.
I mean they are forced by the eu to use usb c on the iPhone
WRONG! USB C was invented in 2014. Not even 10 years, Liar.
Even with the usb-c coming to iPhone if you want any kind of fast charging you still gotta buy Apple approved usb-c cables
@@lazyinvadershiya8320 Actually, the EU thought of that and made that sort of thing illegal.
I must say that, watching this with my friend who's a genuine onboard systems engineer for planes (the guy designs planes' computer boards ans makes the systems work with the avionics) both him and I were shocked at how much effort and complex engineering went into making this laptop "single-use" and actually hard to nigh-impossible to repair. Even going further than removing the case cover requires extreme care as there are only metal surfaces pressure or friction fitted on other metal surfaces with a metal plate and screws to secure it instead of cables and plugs. The minutia needed to assemble or disassemble the thing is puzzling compared to literally any other laptop both my friend and I have ever seen opened or fiddled with.
This is just scam to the customer.
Never ever again will I buy any Apple product.
I'm old enough to remember pinto's and chevelles. They all died in 1989 when I was 8, and nobody bought new ones. The dodge neon came out in 1990 same type of car. They lasted till 1998, and then it stopped because everyone in the 90's decided to buy toyotas and hondas instead. Now, once again American Cars...ICE cars...last 500k miles, or 700k clicks.
What laptop u recommend? I ordered MBP 14 M3 pro 18/512 for $1500 but now I'm having buyers remorse.
@@latinreuben why? That’s probably the best Apple product on the market right now in terms of bang for buck value.
18gb ram is enough to run virtually everything you can think of very well and beautifully, outside of extremely high-end/niche programs that maybe .0001% of the market needs.
"but after logging in I noticed an anomaly on the display and I'm not talking about that big Notch" killed it right there
The notch looks so bad 😂 they call that "design"
It's the eye of go... sorry Apple ... watching ... seeing if you try to repair anything THEY own
He's an idiot. There are ADDITIONAL screen lines next to the notch.
Can't believe they brought this useless eye sore over to laptops as well. I hope other companies don't see this as an exemple to follow >.>
Louis Rossman recently discussed the problem with Apple's decisions like soldering SSDs with the newer Mac computers and i agree with him in that these newer machines will end up being e-waste at a much earlier time than older serviceable Mac computers.
the SSD problem isn't just an Apple problem. My workplace Thinkpad X1 has also soldered parts, which aren't really repairable when a failure occures. This is becoming more a high-end laptop category manufacturing standard.
More of an Ultrabook trend.
Workstations are supposed to be upgradable.
@@peterpan408 The thinkpad x1 is a high-end workstation, and it still has almost no upgradability.
5 years or so, 3 if it's in a heavy use environment. That's the kicker of SSDs, they all fail and if it's soldered in place it puts a hard lifespan on the machine it's part of. The value of used M-series macs is going to crater when people start to realise. Weird to think that 2015 was truly the last year of good Macbook Pros for professional use.
@@jani0077 false equivalence. The X1 has replaceable SSD, WIFI card and WAN. Only the ram is not replaceable. None are true for latest Macbooks. There is also no software locks like Apple
"These laptops fail to sleep. Doctors call this insomnia"
Top tier line right there
Hahahaah
wow i saw you in the wild
its mullz btw
@@Mullins117 Lmfao wsg
I used to have an app on my old MacBookPro called Insomnia which allowed it to run while closed.
@@CelesteWuff oo hello a fellow furry
The last Apple product I bought was the Ipod Shuffle and I will never in my life buy a new Apple product. Great content Hugh. This is not pro-consumer actions.
I quit them when my 8 year old son charged $400 of games on our credit card, by himself, and Apple said oh too bad.
Imagine if we didn't have the internet to publicly call out these companies.. We would be living in a dystopian society already. Keep doing what you do man 👍. And shout out to the EU for putting Apple in it's place.
Ikr, this and the fact that I don't have 2 grand to drop will keep me from buying
It's already dystopian but i get what you mean
Channels like this are cancer. You have no clue about technology and you are fueling your clique on a lie.
Apple pairs lid opening sensors due to security reasons, when the lid is closed, the USBC ports are turned off. You can't connect something that will steal data.
I bet my left ball, companies are thinking hard on this issue right now.
😅 sorry mate, the dystopia is here.
One of the most insane things about this laptop, is they used over 100 screws yet decide the keyboard doesn't need a single screw.
Probably because the keyboard is the 3rd most damaged/needing replaced component on a laptop (behind the screen and battery).
There is also a flip side to this argument; my 2011 MBP keyboard needed replacing a few years ago, and I thought this would be a really fast fix. It was over 60 microscopic screws.
Do I prefer screws over rivets in this scenario? Of course.
Are 60+ screws needed to secure a roughly 5"x11" keyboard to the aluminum chassis?
And yet this 12 yr old machine is accessible, modular, and upgradeable; and still running 24/7 as an iMessage server to my Linux and Android devices.
@@MitchMatrixx windows laptops from that era used clips/tabs that insert into the chassis, basically all you had to do was squeeze the keyboard to get it in or out, I swapped the keyboard on my asus that only cost $20 and took about 5 minutes.
Tech really has gone backwards, at least user experience wise, including software such as not having root/admin access on your own devices.
@@vgamesx1 Nah it has not gone backwards, quite the opposite really. This is nothing but complete fucking dipshit fucknuggets deliberately fucking people over because of their silly greed.
@@vgamesx1framework...
I don't know why, but it seems to me that Apple's budget to avoid having their hardware repaired by third parties, whether it's iPhones or MacBooks and everything else, must be several times higher than what they invest in R&D...
There's considerable overlap between the two, they like developing proprietary components as a means of preventing repairs. The "insomnia" problem is a good example of that, they had to design a completely different method of detecting screen angle specifically to make it harder to repair.
what do u mean... these computers are hyper efficient machines that sip power and still deliver amazing performance..
This is delusional. They spend 20 Billion on R&D
Capitalism is fucking weird.
Apple is not putting any active effort into making it harder to repair it is just that they do not consider third party repair at all during design.
So choices are made just based on reducing cost, increasing production yields, reducing production lead times etc.
Great content!! I traded in my MacBook Pro M1 for ASUS ZenBook 14 i7 last year and never looked back. Same reason I bought a Samsung S23 Ultra for the same money instead of an iPhone 14 Pro Max. Inspite of its build quality I've decided to never again buy Apples products because of its business model.
At this point, I'm just wondering why Apple puts screws on their laptops and just glue everything shut since it's not upgradable?
The use screws as they do a lot of refurbishment. I you get a replacement laptop under warranty it is not a new laptop just a new case with a refurbished internals. This saves apple lots and lots of $$$ since they do not need to direct a new device for warranty replacement instead it's just a new case and glass but refurbished internals.
Apple are intact rather good with using screws in products, many other vendors prefer the cheaper plastic clips etc that while they are easy to open once or twice as the device ages and suffers thermal cycles the plastic becomes brittle and snaps.
You're not being courageous enough. Glue is so 19th century. Make every MacBook phone home such that the moment you _try_ to disassemble the laptop, it calls the cops on you and informs them that you're running a child trafficking ring out of it.
And Apple's doing it _for your own protection and safety!_
@@Traderhorn Depends a good amount on what OEM you go with, also in value for money it also depends on what you are doing, for many use cases apples laptops are now very competitive in cost with respect to the perfomance you get.
Videos highlighting issues with apples laptops are common but that does not mean other vendors do not have these same types of issues just means they do not collect as many clicks on YT so do no get promoted as much by the algorithm.
@@hishnashCan somebody tell me why can't I run my PC games and Siemens Simatic Manager PLC on my brand new M1 Pro MacBook. 😢
Are they didn't compatible?
Glue takes time to cure and has issues with warping and unevenness and bubbles, its cheaper and faster to use screws most of the time.
Which is why it baffles me why they insist on using so much glue
This man had to remove and place over 200 screws for this demonstration, that's dedication right there.
Dedication? You mean it’s his job to do so
He earns millions by doing it
Maybe would be legit to look at the perverts that designed themselves the computer, fitting as much as 200 screws to it.
Did you see those muscles on his you hand?? ha-ha
@@HelpMeFindMyDad
proof?
Thanks for the bravery of opening these units and doing all the swaps. Must have been an extremely tedious trial of patience.
No kidding right... not a task for the faint of heart. The effort is commendable however because the results have been QUITE eye opening...
Lookat ALL those *goddamn* screws!
Beautifully done video, exposing Apple's horrrific anti-consumer practices. We all benefit from investigative videos such as this, thank you for your valuable efforts.
Wish more potential buyers of MacBooks would see this and realize how unrepairable they are. smh
All their new phones are required by law to have USB charging and user replaceable battery.
I admire your patience! With the screws and everything!
The amount of money and time you have put in to this video cannot be explained by words just a regular laptop takes a lot of time to take apart and put together. But apple makes always difficult for users to do it themselves. Much appreciated by your work. Hope you wi reach 1M before end of this year. You need a huge shoutout mate
It’s sadly the way many of these products are going. I’m even seeing this issue with new cars as well and all the electronics that they come with. Lots of scams out there with extended warranties in that space. There are even brands trying to charge a monthly subscription just to use certain features it’s insane!
Would be nice to get a video at some point about right to repair and how it applies to the automotive industry. Keep up the great work Hugh!
The automotive industry (in Europe anyway) already has laws regarding this. The are a few caveats yes but essentially anyone can repair their car and still be covered under warranty etc as long as you use genuine parts within the warranty period. With regards to the subscription based functions, not sure what people are complaining about it's a good thing as most of these functions people don't generally spec their car with anyway, so you are getting the opportunity to have say, heated seats for the few months you might need them when before you would have probably left it off the specs sheet completely. If you want to spec the car with full time heated seats you still can. It's a non issue made up by people that just want to have a reason to be pissed off imo...
@@readmore7180If I paid several thousand euros extra for heated seats I want to be able to turn them on/off whenever I want. Having a paid subscription for that is just corporate greed and a way to make money continually from things sold once.
Maybe in the future the car keys will be a blockchain ETF where you pay say 10% to the manufacturer everytime the car is sold. 😅
@@readmore7180 ur so brainwashed u dont even realise leaving it out of spec?? u already payed for the hardware now u have to pay a montly subscription in order to use it???.
montly susbcriptions are for services. blocking ur own hardware from being used by its owner is literally agaisnt the law. Plus i developt parts in the automtotive let me tell u a thing or two about repair parts = non existent badly manufactured to min legal spec non lasting with the sole porpuse enlarging the commerce of the industry that creates it.
@@readmore7180 that’s great to hear. Thanks for clarifying what that subscription stuff was really about. It was more or less something I heard about in headlines and it’s easy for people to put out clickbait out there. When it looked that up again, it was something about BMW and heated seats so good point.
Anyway, it’s fascinating how much these issues affect other industries and what other countries have done to solve the problem from what you’ve described. The US needs to take a note there.
It mostly concerns electric cars with propiertary software and hardware
Well done. I've been working on Apple computers since the Mac 128k. It's so hard to see people get fooled by this awful company. The stories I can tell. Job well done, keep em coming
Basically Apple is still the unbeatable master at manufacturing e-waste. Most common repairs excluding battery replacements are probably broken screens and keyboards, now both of them are pretty much impossible to do - at least not with reasonable cost.
I saw that the Eu passed a law stating that from 2027 almost everything having a battery such as smartphones will have to be easily replaceable / removable
@@dinesh_k7651thanks to EU to force Apple to do away with some of their anti-consumer practices.
When you swap the displays they look and act "broken", but both act "broken" in the exact way. And, of course, when swapped back they function just fine. Apple's already been caught intentionally crippling old hardware, why wouldnt they design their hardware to pretend to be broken if someone other than them tries to repair it?
more money, thats it.
In a sane world you'd put an EPROM in the display if it needed special calibration. Instead they're putting a unique ID on the PROM. In a truly sensible world (i.e. the world of non-Apple displays) the controller in the display panel handles such things itself (if they're even needed), completely transparent to the OS.
I appreciate coverage like this. Bringing these issues to light might stop someone from making a purchase of one of these devices, now having that knowledge.
But the blue bubbles!!! Hahaha
im convinced
If only... the target customers will just listen to some influencer talking about performance figures in comparison to other apple hardware. They're incapable of understanding what they are actually buying.
Apple has been practicing scummy tactics for long enough now for people to be aware of it & I bet most do, they just don't care!
Look at the comment section.
Even some of the ones who complain are still indoctrinated & secretly still give up their wallet at any new Apple product.
@@syclone have u tried using macbook once vs other top-notch windows based laptop without plugging in cable to charge it constantly? you will realize why people buy it. unless arm chip is coming to windows laptop soon, macbook still have edge over intel/amd due to the power efficient chip.
I own Apple Macbook 16 Pro M1. After about a year of owning it, the screen turned black. I did not use it every day. It has not been dropped or abused. I never had any bad experience with windows 10/11 computers. This is going to be my last Apple Macbook unless they make them user friendly and easy to repair. I had very reliable iphone 6 and ipads.
Did you have AppleCare+?
@@Rparam000
I purchased it from Costco so it had extended warranty. It was repaired free of charge. The computer is excellent but it is scary to think about an expensive machine with soldered SSD and low reliability.
It's so sad how anti consumer is actually a feature Apple thinks about during the design phase these days
yeah
Actually REWA figured out the issue after doing the same test. They had to remove the bottom trim from both the original LCDs and unsolder two IC Chips then swap them and re-solder them in the replacement LCD. After doing so the LCDs worked fine without any programming from Apple. It is still ridiculous that Apple does this and I hope it gets outlawed soon as it just creates more electronic waste.
Back in the day friends and classmates claimed one of the justifications for the MacBook's high price was its quality and longevity, and it seemed to be so compared to some PC laptops, but these days it seems to very much not be the case...
Yeah once the SSD dies these things are e-waste.
Last time I bought a mac was in 2009, you could even replace the battery without removing any screws. I replaced the HDD with an SSD and upgraded the RAM sticks too.
I had the cheapest 2015 MacBook Pro for audio production at uni. That thing soldiered through massive projects I would not expect Windows (at the time) to handle at the same spec, and it just kept going. I still have it, though I don't have much use for it these days.
I wouldn't bother with a MacBook these days if I was in the same situation.
@@HarmonicaMustangI have a 2011 PC that works no blue screen with win 10.
Channels like this are cancer. You have no clue about technology and you are fueling your clique on a lie.
Apple pairs lid opening sensors due to security reasons, when the lid is closed, the USBC ports are turned off. You can't connect something that will steal data.
Great buyer beware content. I will continue to steer clear of Apple with my back close to a wall as I scoot by their retail outlets. At the price points you mentioned and what you showed, looks like a pretty raw deal - given the flimsy cables, sticky battery etc.
Apple probably hates Hugh Jeffreys at this point. Release a new locked down device.. and immediately get called out. Good work, Hugh.
Not that they seem to care much.
Well, I hate Apple at this point.
I doubt the people spending this much on a laptop are going to caree. If it doesn't break in the warranty period they'll just get a new one.
I’ve saved five retina-era MacBook Pros of friends/family with DIY repairs - one SSD failure, one screen burned out, one screen broken from accidental damage, two battery replacements. A couple of these occurred around the 3 year mark - and those devices got another 4 or 5 years of use after repair. It’s really sad the efforts Apple has put into preventing affordable DIY repair going forward. I hope the EU can put them back into their place as a device manufacturer, not the lifetime owner of the devices they sell.
It´s a pity the people are so stupid that EU have to do something about it.
Not to mention the ever increasing land fill of Apple products in this era of recycling and trying to save the planet. Apple is doing the opposite out of greed.
I love how americans are realizing pure capitalism sucks and turn to the EU to do the socialism for them.
keep it up! Maybe one day you also get free healthcare. 😉
I work IT for a school district and had to repair one of the new Macbook Air M2s and saying those are anti repair is a joke- They're repair hostile. The first one I took apart I managed to cut my hand pretty seriously on the back panel, dripping blood on the ground type of cut. It also took my entire team multiple days to get the back panel on after we'd removed it for the first time. And we went through Apple's official training.
Though I'll never be able to stop thinking about "single use heatsink". They aren't kidding- you can only use each heat sink once. If you have to remove it there is NO way to do so without destroying it.
Yeah, that's why most of us in IT (At least those working for large companies) hate macs and don't want anything to do with those expensive pieces of shit. Always something that doesn't work, always something that breaks and isn't easily repairable or replaceable to keep the user's downtime to a minimum, there's always something it's not compatible with, requiring you to do the same job twice juuuuuust for the damn macs, the OS doesn't let you do what you need to do, no Active Directory and the list goes on. Just a fucking nightmare to work with. That's why companies usually go for all Windows laptops. Not Linux, not Mac OS. Windows. I work for a university that has several thousand employees. We don't have time to waste on that garbage, though we still have to cope with ignorant students and professors who use macs but we sure as hell don't touch anything remotely related to repairs. We help them do what they're trying to do but it stops there. We ain't gonna fix their macs, they gotta go somewhere else for that cause those computers don't belong to the university in question. It's their personal laptop and it's not our problem they decided to buy that.
Oh no, I'm not arguing for Macs. Though admittedly I don't think I'd argue for Windows either. Either way is so much headache and bullshit- I worked for Dell doing warranty service for a year and if I ever have to touch an Optiplex 5080 again it's going to be to hurl the piece of shit out of the window. All the universities in my area love the giant bastards and they're all 18 tons and they all take ages to get apart, and they all sucked. And the Precisions (7560...) haunt my nightmares. I've cut my hand on some of THOSE too, and I wanna say a high end latitude with an aluminum chassis. I have a hard time remembering any of it because I spent most of it in a stress-and-insomnia induced fugue state.
It all sucks. I love computers, I love my work, but some days make me consider becoming Amish.
@@NGC-6302 Yeah I know you weren't advocating for macs, just sharing my experience of having to deal with those. I've handled quite a few Optiplex too and they were the ones from the early 2000s. Yeah they weigh 18 tons and they're way more annoying to work inside of than any custom-made PC, there's no question about that. I'd still rather have every single computer be a DELL Optiplex than a mac. Nothing is perfect in this world. I also was around when HP fucked up their Pavilion laptops in the late 2000s. There was a design flaw that caused a solder to literally melt near the CPU and fried the motherboard. Even if the computer was still under warranty and physical damage had been caused by users who btw all had the exact same issue, HP wouldn't want to repair it under warranty. If you wanted that "fixed", the entire motherboard had to be replaced and it cost around $500, almost the full price of those laptops.
I kinda miss the time when Elitebooks and Probooks were actually good. Took 5 seconds to open and everything was readily accessible. Took 2 minutes to get to the keyboard and you didn't have to take the entire computer apart. They were designed to be easily and quickly repairable under warranty by any authorized repair shop, was super easy to order replacement parts and it would take a few days at most for the customer to get their laptop back unlike the pavilions which had to be sent to HP for like a month cause HP was adamant about not wanting to provide any parts for the cheap ass best buy / Future shop models.
"I've noticed anomaly on the display - I am not talking about that big notch" 😂
It still amazes me that people are aware of apples anti repair and greediness yet still buy their products.
My brother went the apple route about 6 years ago when he got married. I always was the family "computer guy" because I did it as a job, but I told him I am not touching any apple repairs, you're stuck with apple.
And of course he's spent multiple thousands and extra trips to the "genius bar" getting new phones, tablets, or computers after a drop, or a drink gets knocked onto the laptop while chasing after a baby. The result is always the same "I'll just get a new one because fixing it costs way too much" .
I'm not going to defend Apple, but I like the products so I keep buying them. I never cracked a screen or caused other damage that needed repair. I've had Apple replace a few worn out batterries.
However, I do hope the governments will force Apple to make their products easily repairable.
@@bikeman7982 Apple and other big companies actually control your so called "governments".... Its all who has the most money to lobby congress/parlament to pass bills and laws.
Have fun with your so called "freedoms" XD
I mean I use an iPhone but I’m not the type of person to crack my screen immediately after buying it. I can usually go a solid 3-4 years on one phone until my carrier begs me to upgrade
Don't you see. Things like this make that type of person even MORE enamored with the product! The more infamously expensive, difficult and costly to maintain, etc. the more of a status symbol the object becomes...
Similar to a BMW that way. It's just a car.. But because it has that expensive badge, and is infamously expensive to maintain, people will often live beyond their means, to 'flex' their fake richness. Climbing out of their overpriced BMW, with an overpriced Starbucks coffee in one hand, and an overpriced Apple device in the other..
I'm just half way throuh in video 9:55 Just came here to Thank You for showing this important new man. MKBHD or Linus never talked about this. I really appriciate your work brother. you are out of the box a real tech guy we need!! Thank you.
Because they get tons of $$ from them😊
Louis Rossman used to have an Apple repair shop in NYC. He said he would never buy an Apple product.
@@kens-jr2vv You say that like he doesn't still have one, just in Texas (Austin I believe)
I'm pretty sure MKBHD talked about apple's practice of not letting you repair their devices
@@sirhellsing even Apple terms&C also mention few..But they never dig for customer who is not super rich.
It'd be very interesting to swap the lid sensors of the laptops and take one into Apple for repair. Knowing that all that's required is a software calibration, I wonder what they would charge and how they would diagnose the "issue"
They would replace the sensor, the in store vendors do not have tools to do new calibration all they are able to do is pull existing calibration profiles that come with new parts. When you get a new part you get a part SN number, this is what allows the laptop (in diagnostic mode) to pull the profile from apples servers. There is no part calibration happening at repair time.
@@hishnash that's a very interesting insight, thank you. That said, I'd still be curious to see what they charge for pulling down those profiles. Also whether or not they would attempt that process on the sensor currently in the laptop, since it is already a genuine Apple part.
@@matts7335 They will not attempt it of rate current part in the device, the people doing repairs in apple stores are not exactly skilled repair tech and they will assume that if you have a un-piared part in a Mac that it has been recorded from a locked stolen mac.
What apple should do is make it possible for us to access that profile (from apples servers) if and only if the current device it is assigned to has not been reported as stolen (or any past devices). But that would require dev effort from apple and what would they get out of that? Much simpler to just have a policy in the stores of only pulling profiles for parts the stores pull from the repair stockpile they own.
they would say you did water damage to the laptop and you must pay 2000 euros
@@hishnashApple authorized service providers do have the tool it can be downloaded in GSX Apple will calibrate it for you via self repair options
I love this argument:
Apple is the Best!
- Why?
Because it's Apple!😂
Glad you’ve covered this, many are or have been on eBay with this issue. Apple has no reason not to allow people to access the calibration other than to make more money and lockdown repair to only parts they sell you.
apple has all the reasons they need . . . they start with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not being able to replace the keyboard is crazy, I did it myself on an 11 inch Acer laptop, and I'm definitely a novice at tech repair. Replaced a battery in an iPhone 5 once and it was terrifying. Have been too afraid to attempt replacing battery in my Samsung note 8
I had the first Galaxy phone and it was so easy to restart the phone by just popping out the battery. Good times.
man i am never gonna repair a apple device by myself i repaired redmi phones ,samsung phones and lenovo phone once
and a hp laptop in which i changed the screen the keyboard and the battery and addded 4 gigs of ram and added a ssd it worked fine untill the display wire broke and i fixed it and it worked and was very easy to repair why apple is making laptop harder to repair
Useless Authoritarian EU did something smart for once, at some point soon, it will be illegal to sell phones in EU that you can't change the battery on.
I worked in a computer repair shop a few years ago. We were taking apart an iphone and my buddy dropped one of the tiniest screws on the floor. We were both like..."Nobody move!" Then we carefully got down on the floor with a magnet to try and find it. The magnet did find it, and we were much more careful after that. I hate working on phones and tablets. I've had mixed success. My son's Google Pixel needed a new battery. I read online that even the experts were breaking the screen trying to get it off, so I was extremely careful. I got it off, got in the new battery, and it worked fine...for one week, and then it went black and that was the end. Very frustrating!
"You buy it, we own it"
- Apple
"F*CK you, pay me" - also Apple
Hope this goes into the Apple buyer's collective - it's so incredibly accurate.
Ferrari vibe)
@@FonXHunter
You mean that also Ferrari does this?
oh, and pay rent
I did a repair of this unit days ago, Macbook pro M1 pro (A2242). It will only be done by a skilled techs with an experience for micro soldering.
there's a 2 embedded integrated chips inside the display need to transferred from the broken retina display to new retina display. it is not an easy job to do! but after the repair, there is no rectangular shapes on the upper part of the display, all features are working fine :D
If you need help replacing it especially if you are from The Philippines. I can do that repair!
It kinda feels like apple is trying to make 3rd party repairers look incompetent with things like the messed up backlight and buggy behavior. I get the same kind of feeling when they disable auto brightness on phones with replaced screens. Its basically malicious compliance with repairs at this point.
The issue is that the device is operating without the backlight calibration, this is to be expected. Mini-led arrays are going to have a large amount of per LED variation (the alternative is throwing away almost all of the backlights you product as once you have thousands of LEDs the chances that all of them behave exactly the same is more or less 0).
It's basically you will own nothing and you will praise the Feudalist Corporations for the grace of being allowed to touch THEIR devices that sit in your own home.
@@hishnashso, make this info on the display, not in motherboard. Also, patterns are consistent, theres no way its just variation in leds. You sound like a bootlicker.
@@hishnashbut why they are not storing calibration data on the screen itself? It can be done and it won't be overengineering (at leats by apple's standards)
@@Dizrak Costs more to do it this way.
1) the chip on the display needs to have enough storage to store the backlight profile (this is not small)
2) you need an extra step in the production line to flash the profile back onto the screen chip after testing the screen
Just having a much cheaper SN chip and saving the profile on a server makes production cheaper. For vendors that have small production runs this change in process is not worth it but for apple who are ordering millions of each display chainng the production process to do this saves money and increases the number of displays they can get made due to making the production simpler.
Apple's new MacBook Pros: When spending $2000 on a laptop feels like buying a ticket to a very expensive roller coaster of repairs and mysteries
For that money you get a fully decked out Frameworks laptop WITH all the spare parts for repair lol
At this point it looks like Apple test us out : how much anti-consumer practices we can do and get away with it.
limitless when there are so many sheep worshippers in the world who are unable to create identities without showing of expensive devices. pathetic sheeps
@@hundredfireify it doesn't surprise me that it is the students first choice. windows laptops lack in a lot of areas for the user interface.
@@RockG.o.d Only in the USA. The global market is 15% MacOS and 75% Windows, the rest mostly Linux and Chrome.
@@RockG.o.d Im sure there would be more teens and young adults using Windows laptops for school if Windows did not stop Windows 7 cause 7 was out for a long time and everyone knew how to use 7
@@theengineer2017 doubt it. You use a Mac and just feel how intuitive it is to use, then you use an iPhone and see how seamlessly they both work together, then you look at a comparable windows laptop and think, there isn’t really anything which compares to it. Trackpads on windows machines, though getting a lot better, are still a disappointment, where as Mac trackpads have been unbeaten for a long time. The battery life usually lasts all day without problems. The only real disappointing thing about apple is their lack of care for the environment. Sure for a company they do the right thing in terms of manufacturing, but they still care more for their shareholder profits than reducing landfill of end products. I still have a 2012 MacBook which is used, and also a 2017 retina model and a newer 2021 model. The first 2 have some repairability, and the latest one has the least. Didn’t need soldered in ssd, we know why they did it, though they may say otherwise.
I often update family computers RAM as it usually first that hits limits. I've thought soldered RAM was bad but this is beyond imaginable.
It really gets back to the saying to the saying there's no law against making a profit. Apple will profit with amazing gear like this that basically becomes throw away devices come repair time.
Only because of the sheep.
anti-trust action must be coming for Apple. they cannot help themselves.
@@alastairleith8612 Their business model totally relies on selling new product, they are getting very good at making sure we keep buying
To profit from some things is illegal.
@@alastairleith8612 It should, but it seems that everyone is only focused on Microsoft and Google.
This is why I will stick to using Dell Precisions - the fit and finish and build quality of a MacBook, balls to the walls performance, but also has full repairability.
Exactly. I run both Dell XPS for myself, and Inspiron for the kids, and haven't met a needed repair yet that I couldn't handle.
One of these days, I hope there is a solid competitor to the M1 and M2 laptops that can run linux. I really love my experience with those computers and their insane performance and battery life but I am sick of this company and their war against the consumer.
The M1 and M2 are ahead pretty much only because Apple paid for priority access to TSMC's 5nm and 3nm fabs. i.e. It's not that the M architecture is special, it's just the size they're manufactured at. AMD began manufacturing on TSMC 5nm with Zen 4, which are competitive. Intel is still on the equivalent of TSMC 7nm (in terms of transistors per mm^2).
IOW, AMD and probably Intel could beat out Apple's CPUs if they were willing to outbid Apple for priority access to TSMC's newest fabs. They're not because they don't feel they need to compete with Apple (Apple has only 10% market share).
It's also worth pointing out that Intel's decades-long dominance of the CPU market was also because their fabs were 2-3 generations ahead of anyone else in the world. So even if their architecture was inferior, they could produce it smaller thus using less power so they could crank up the clock speed to outrun the competition.
Their lead evaporated when they got stuck on 14nm for 7 years (normally they shrink the fab size about every 3-3.5 years). Broadwell (5th gen) all the way to Alder Lake (12th gen). That coincided with AMD surpassing Intel (AMD uses TSMC so continued enjoying die shrinks while Intel was stuck). If Intel grabs the fab lead over TSMC, Apple (and AMD) get relegated to second tier again. Intel's equivalent to TSMC 4nm is supposed to be out later this year. And 3nm next year.
Sure, the ARM architecture vs x86 has nothing to do with the performance advantage, lmao.
@@Akira-xc2zi ARM (RISC) actually performs worse than x86 (CISC) clock for clock. Apple gets around that deficit by loading up their processors with gobs of specialized hardware co-processors to help speed up specific operations which would take the core much longer to do in software. The M1 and M2 have substantially more transistors than AMD and Intel's offerings as a result (the opposite of what you'd expect from a RISC architecture). And they tend to fall behind when you task them to do lots of the same operations in parallel (the hardware co-processors can only handle 1 or 2 at a time, whereas each of the AMD/Intel cores can crunch through it).
@@solandri69 From what I heard, there's also a whole "instruction decoding bottleneck" issue with x86's variable length machine instructions limiting the degree to which you can parallelize the instruction decoding stage of the pipeline.
@@ssokolow The arbitrary length of x86-* instructions certainly doesn't help.
In contrast, both 32-bit (A32) and 64-bit (A64) ARM instructions are 32 bits long, when running in Thumb mode (T16) instructions are 16-bit, and when running in Thumb-2 (T32) mode they are either 16-bit or 32-bit. At any given time only one instruction format can be active: A64, A32, T32, or T16. In any case, arguments are almost always 32- or 64-bit. This _vastly_ simplifies decoding.
Electrical Design Engineer here, I suspect the way to fix the Lid angle sensor (without calibration) would be to attempt the remove or replace the magnet and rotate it until the desired effect appears. It seems they are using a 2 or 3-axis magnetic sensor to observe a diametrically magnetized magnet. If they wanted a better accuracy than 5 degrees (likely manufacturing tolerance of both the magnet and the installation of it into the case) then they would have needed to perform a calibration in any case, so to save money on assembly they just had them place the magnet in without the extra steps of positioning it exactly and performed a software calibration on bootup. The scariest part of this is that now Apple knows how many degrees your screen is open... j/k I can't think of an evil purpose for that other than them spying on how you use your device in order to bombard you with work ads when it angles match your work desk, or blast you with workout or food ads when it's resting on your lap in bed.
OMG 45 screws just for the display 😮 - then I saw the keyboard bit with rivets!! The comparison with Framework was just nuts.
Imagine you forgot one screw after you put everything together 🤭😂
Thank you for your videos Hugh, very much needed in these anti-repair/subscription-fee times.
every repair is only finished with a spare screw at the end, you didnt know that? 🤭
Imagine if that glue is also somehow made unique to the machine. Swap the glue, and the machine won't start.
@@stingfiretubeApple Recruiter: you're Hired
That screw is staying out.
It may seem like a PC master race kind of comment, but I stand by the fact that building your own gives you superior control over changing things. Even in terms of laptops, other brands are far more forgiving for upgrades and repairs. It's just not worth it for the 'environmental' BS Apple puts on if minor or even moderate things can basically turn a 2.5k laptop into e-waste for our environment.
Nah this one is so true and justified. It's even worse when you see the Mac Pro this year, the modular PC became totally worthless.
I can literally add a brand new stick of RAM into my Dell laptop and not only does it not break, but Dell helps me to rectify any issues caused by adding that stick of RAM in too, granted I've paid for their highest support tier.
This is why I build my own desktops and when I finally bought a laptop I ended up getting a cheap used Thinkpad from ebay. However, newer ones of even these 'buisiness grade' laptops are getting less and less repairable and I actually have one of the last T series that has the dual batteries. Strongly considering a Framework or something like it if I ever buy a new laptop.
That's why I have a Framework Laptop and run Linux on it.
@@rosaria8384What the fuck are you talking about?
Thank God when I finally got a MacBook, I decided to get MacBook Pro mid-2012, upgraded the ram and hard drive and installed Linux Mint on it. Best $85 I've spent this year.
Wheee 85? Good deal
"I was always able to see the defects in the design of an instrument which overlooked completely the need of its maintenance." - Leo Fender
Outstanding video. Thanks.
Good quote but I don't think maintenance was overlooked, Apple know exactly what they're doing. Systematically screwing over the owner and cutting out third-party repair. Sadly there's nobody powerful or resourceful enough to take them to court to force them to change their ways. Would be great if there was.
Making the machine hard to repair (or at least overlooking repairability while designing the machine) is definitely intentional. It is a form of planned obsolescence.
@@zaidabraham7310 💯
@@relooc Don't quote me on this but I have heard that the EU is making inroads into getting Apple to change some of their ways. I'm not fully aware of all the nuances and details of that though.
Well, the US Government could and should. It is 100% antitrust violations
I had the display on my 14" M1 pro machine replaced on the warranty at an authorized repair shop, as it periodically flickered. After the repair, even though it was calibrated, it still had exactly the same anomaly just to the right of the notch, as you show in the video. I talked to them the day after handing it in again, and they said the same error occurred on another replacement screen. They fixed it in the end, not sure how though
The authorised repair partners don't even use first party parts to repair, that's the issue there. Yes it's fraud and no apple don't care.
Kudos to your high patience levels. And thanks for showing us the complexities. I am never ever buying a macbook again. Nothing to upgrade in there!
it would be one thing if Apple laptops were cheap, but they're not!
All the companies do something similar. To show them who's boss, it's actually better to just keep buying used products and keep repairing them
@@m12735 good idea
@@bb5242unfortunately & fortunately, yes!
Is the angle sensor paired with the display or with the hinge itself? If it's detecting the orientation of a magnetic field, it's the sensor and the magnet pair that go together. Couldn't tell whether that magnet went with the display or if it was a part of the body of the laptop. Insanity either way.
I see anti repair and i immediately think of Apple anybody else
i didnt even tap on the video and i knew it was another apple right to repair issue
John Deere?
Yep same for me
Same here.
Do you think Apple have a dedicated clearing stage where they ensure that their devices are difficult to repair? Complete with presentations figures & everything? Or even a specialized design & engineering team with the single task of working out anti-repair guidelines for the product designers?
Nah, that'd leave FAR too much of a paper trail, something that people don't understand about adversarial action/conspiracies is that they don't even necessarily HAVE TO be legislated in any way(in this case, that'd be what you're suggesting, de jure), but can just be de facto, which would be nudging the engineers or maybe even assembly line designers to do this in word instead of in contract, say, with bonuses contingent on it or something.
1000% yes. This is not a company that just makes decisions without considering all the benefits and downsides.
Firstly, the decisions to glue the battery in place and solder the RAM in place are very clearly well considered. Both require the consumer to get the part upgraded/replaced by Apple, and then Apple reaps the profits.
Secondly, why would they use so many screws with different heads? There is no need for this, they are simply trying to make repair more difficult. It takes so much time to remove all those screws and time is money, so repair shops will charge more to repair. The price goes up to the point where a 3rd party repair isn't much cheaper than an Apple repair. At this point the customer might simply consider taking it to Apple instead.
Even when new EU laws come into place forcing Apple to make internal parts more easily replaceable, I will never again buy any of their products.
yes
There's a reason this company is worth 3 trillion, which is just extremely sad.
The fact that they intentionally do this should be straight up illegal
Buying Apple and Windows is like Buying A Mercedes Benz or Toyota 😂…. Even Toyota you can repair outside their dealer you still have to purchase genuine parts from Toyota for the repair. Only difference is the labour cost to repair ….
But what is a fuss if you can buy a mac book to repair at premium price? Can’t afford simply don’t use it then you will be happier 🙏🏽😁 Learn what to have not what to buy …. 🙏🏽😁
I personally fixed over 16,000 iPhones from 2010 to 2016 but quickly learned Apple didn't like shops (or people) fixing their devices. This became apparent when they started mating the iPhone 5S's home button to the motherboard, which killed the fingerprint functionality if replaced with non-Apple parts. I got out of the business because, after the iPhone 6, each year, they made their phones more difficult to repair. Recently, I wanted to get a program that was only available on Macs (I use Windows). I got my daughter's old mid-2010 Macbook Pro, installed a 128GB SSD, and upgraded the RAM to 8GB for under $30. Then I upgraded the OS to Catalina. Now, the computer works like new. People should consider purchasing old Macs (and PCs) and not give these greedy companies any more of their hard-earned cash.
buying old/used macs is a total crapshoot since 2016
Notice how the light and dark spots are identical. If it was calibration related, they would be inverted. This is intentional.
Man this makes me glad that I bought a Framework instead of a MacBook. We need Framework to make a phone!
Framework laptop quality is trash, it’s cheap and plastic and the chassis flex is sad
@FlyByWire1 look at this apple shill lmfao
@@omegadomega how does me pointing out the cheap quality of the framework laptop make me a shill? 😂😂😂
@@FlyByWire1what excuse does apple have for 4 years of the butterfly keyboard?
Their devices aren't repairable. They aren't cheap. They aren't a startup making first generation computers... So what's the justification?
@@xmlthegreat I think Apple tried a new design and it didn’t work out. That happens. They recognized the flaws and that’s why they started the free keyboard replacement program for all the models within that time frame. Then they redesigned the keyboard to fix what they did wrong. What else would you want them to do?
Can confirm the display and backlight anomalies are caused by a loss of calibration. Threw me a curve ball when installing replacements at Apple the first time, as it looked like the replacement display was defective until the System Configuration suite was run. After running the calibration suite, the anomalies disappeared and the screen worked normally.
can you elaborate? the video made it seem like this wasn't possible outside of an apple store
@@ar_xiv That's correct, you can't. I worked in one of their service locations for a while. The configuration tool is cloud-based, accessible only to technicians with valid credentials, and contains its own set of restrictions and lockout to limit where replacement parts can be sourced from.
From my understanding, the configuration tool can't be run unless 1) an active repair case against the serial number of the computer being repaired is open in their repair system, 2) the part to configure has been ordered within that repair case, and the new part being installed matches the serial number of the supplied part they have on file, and 3) the serial numbers of both the old and new parts have been entered into the system for verification purposes. This prevents the installation of any part that wasn't sold by Apple specifically for the purposes of that repair, and prohibits the use and configuration of components sourced elsewhere, including used but otherwise working genuine ones.
@@micbr508 incredibly whack. it feels like something that may be able to be simply downloaded or bypassed in the future via "jailbreak" or apple loosening their grip on the process. I'm not holding my breath though. In fact I'm holding my 2012 mbp lol.
At that price and level of reparability, I won't be a customer anyway. The old joke comes true. "How much to repair the screen?" Repair shop "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Nonsense I know people with many high end cars luxury stuff that ask how expensive it will be the repair to know if they need to buy a new one.
Even if you have money you dont want to be screwed.
I was referring to the cost being so close to the purchase price.@@Teluric2
The ammount of work you have to go through just to take this apart is astounding.
Hugh on the lid angle sensors I would recommend trying the swap again but after reassembly connect the MacBook to power and let it boot without opening the display when it has completed the boot then open the display. What I think may be happening is that when you connect the Mac to power after the replacement it is taking the current position of the display as closed.
No, it does not help. Ask Louis Rossman..
Regardless, his video and it's "proof" shouldn't require the discovery or recommendation of a different video to be validated.
I say this as someone that doesn't like Apple at all.
Great video. Please note following:
1) You should remove the BMS (battery management system) flex cable from the logic board, before removing the track pad flex. Otherwise you could short the logic board.
2) If you untighten/remove the lid angle sensor (LAS) and retighten/reinstall it again, it will not be 100 % calibrated as before. The magnetic field will be different. It is not an ordinary hall effect sensor.
These pricey laptops are quite pathetic from a durable and sustainable point of view.
In stead of the "Right To Repair", Apple says: "Never mind The Repair".
Thanks Hugh for this research and showing the evidence!
Wow this video took some dedication and a lot of work - but it's really valuable for providing facts and a very clear example of Apple's anti #rightToRepair stance.
The Apple-cult must quit it already. They are paying a premium to get F'ed in the A, and look down on people not having Apple products. How Apple managed this is a feat, but you Apple users really need to wake up and see that there's better alternatives. People who don't get Apple products, don't get it because they are "poor".
Apple doing stuff like this really should cost them and it's a shame that it doesn't. They need to be heavily regulated because of this
It doesn't. They spend all that money to generate more profits.
it cost 0.. since the Idiots pays for it..
Some people are either too stupid to care, or just don't care until it affects them. I have never, nor will I ever, give apple a penny of my money.
Yeah, but the sheep will still happily cough up their $$$
Why spend taxpayer dollars on regulating Apple when, you know, you could just not buy their products? There are better companies, aren’t there? And you wouldn’t want to look like an Apple sheep if you bought from other companies instead…
Why can’t complainers just ditch Apple altogether? It’s the worst anyway.
Surprised it’s taken this long for ya to getting around to disassembling this. After watching a lot of your stuff recently throughout this summer, seeing how much Apple screws us over more and more. I’ve been curious about how they do the same thing with these newer MacBooks. Not surprised to see the BS occur with too, it’s even more despicable too considering how much these things are costing now.
I have known about the sleep issue since the end of last year but I went overseas for a month in January and when I got back I just couldn't part with the $6,000 to buy them so i explored other options, including just doing a talking head video about it. But in the end i really needed to do my usual parts swap tests to know for sure whats going on.
I am just fortunate Hoxton Macs sent me these just for this video, wouldn't of happened otherwise.
Do companies that send you devices make you return them? if they do it'd suck to have to get new ones for every problem you'd wanna cover and missed@@HughJeffreys
And the upsetting bit is the fact that - just like the 14-inch models shown in the video - this problem also affects the 16" Pro, a model that costs more.
@@HughJeffreys Not to worry, keijijohnson9754 is going to buy you two of what ever the next model is to test for him in a more timely manner ;)
If an Apple laptop costs this much i am shocked that they are still produced offshore and not in America SO SHOCKING.
Can't wait to see a collaboration between Apple,John Deere and Tesla
Loved the details and the in-depth analysis; believe me when I say that this is the first time I ever heard and practically saw the repairs on these laptops. They are drowning to a dead end. Now I am happy: i have some proof to fight those who disagree 😅.
Indeed Apple has written the Book on anti-consumer practices.
I call it " How to legally steal money from idiots"
@@gandalfwiz20007 Before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back for how smart you are, remember that this is the direction that every manufacturer in every industry is going. Apple is just leading the way.
@mallninja9805 I don't see Asus or Sony doing what Apple is doing. For example, not upgrading you macpro or replace the screen....that is anti user, anti human practice
@@gandalfwiz20007not *yet* , just wait a couple of years. Samsung made fun of apple for removing the headphone jack... Then turned around and did the same thing a year later. Apple is the rotten apple of the bunch that spoils the rest.
This should be totally illegal on personal computers
They're such fine machines... with such incredible frustration inside.
I can't believe how much effort and sources spent to specifically design it with only purpose to make it harder or impossible to repair
Thank you for these videos, Hugh. I have left the Apple ecosystem behind for Android. I was sick of getting scammed by a multi-billion dollar corporation.
its not even like the laptop is worth it, at that price point i could buy aa msi stealth 17 studio a13v which isnt necessarily more repairable but it sure has some really good performance for being a whole 1000 dollars less then the best macbook pro (i9-13900h, 32gb of ddr5, rtx 4090, 2tb ssd)
Now you’re getting scammed by another 😂😂
Multi-trillion*
Apple is pathetic.
that's becaus tim cook is gay
Android (ie Google) isnt really much better as they keep trying to mimic Apple. They basically just wait to see if Apples anti-consumer practices work, and if people accept them by buying their overpriced crap, then do it themselves.
I grew up in the 1980s so I was a ZX Spectrum guy, got an Amiga and Atari ST. I have never ever cared about Apple stuff! watched the company grow huge and now its got to the point where they have truly got the sheep locked into their brand. Insane tbh.
Insane is the fanbois paying 1000s more for an inferior product. Or how anti-developer the EULA is for those that want to develop apps for Apple's mobile marketplace. But these people keep eating up everything Apple instead of looking for alternatives.
Talk about inferior brands filling landfills - ZX, Amiga and Atari.
Anti-consumer practices have to be outlawed. If not for the consumers, then at the very least for the environment. But in reality also the consumers deserve not to be ripped off like that
As someone who has repaired a few MacBook pros that are old. I could not imagine trying to fix any of these 💀
Nope, me neither. I have not opened up a MacBook for repair purposes in years.
Kudos for the patience to unscrew and re-screw all those screws...
Apples shady business practices are disgusting
time to ban apple products worldwide bruh
Unfortunately it’s a lot more companies than just Apple. Samsung, Microsoft, Google all have their fair share of issues like these
@@WalterMannot to this extent
It's all about what "Situation" you're in.
Situation 01 - regular consumer who wants to DIY - and believes that the device is theirs after purchase.
Situation 02 - Stockholder/investor in Apple - and you've asked Apple at the latest investors meeting- and how exactly do you intend to "Lock-In" all those stock dividends that you promised I'd be getting every month?
@@WalterManMicrosoft started making their Surface laptops more repairable by 2019.
Thanks Steve jobs for the legacy you left for other companies to follow & for us to deal with
Jobs' idea wasn't "let's make it harder to repair", it was that he wanted computing to be ubiquitous in everyday life enough that it's basically an interactive, high quality appliance. Talk to Dell and HP and Lenovo as well. Most corporate workplaces, if the machine seems to stop functioning properly, their IT department will connect up, do a couple of diagnostics and see if it can be fixed immediately remotely. If not, they're unlikely to take it apart. If they think it's still usable, they might re-image it and see if it can be put back in service. They're not spending hours on component diagnostics, repair and replacement. Their job is to get people back to work as quickly as possible.
Insomnia? Genius Bar calls it “un repairable “
User error. Warranty Voided
You should see what happens when the nand fails on the newer models
spoiler alert: it turns into a brick
I feel bad for the engineers.
Boycott Apple and buy a Windows laptop instead.
@@PurblePink8678buy a GNU+Linux laptop
@@PurblePink8678main issue with windows laptops is that it drains battery much faster than macbooks + many laptops still use only 1080p displays even in higher price ranges which look straight up worse than display in macbooks
Given the swapped display angle sensors exhibited odd behaviour around 90°, I wonder if Apple just doesn't bother controlling which orientation the magnet is installed during the display assembly (assuming the magnet's a square prism).
As someone who went through secondary school during the mid to late 2010s and witnessing macbooks of that era, being unable to replace the screen is awful, especially with my perception because those ones back then, the displays shattered if you accidentally left a sheet of paper on the keyboard. Not hyperbole, thats what happened to one of my classmates back then
my school has the 2017 macbook pros, the insanely thin ones, in our photoshop class, and a kid shattered the screen because he was eating near the computer, and a piece of salt fell onto the body by one of the corners, he didn't notice and when he shut the laptop screen, that tiny little salt chunk decided it was the end of that macbook
@@randomisus8711 I think the 2017 model was the one that was shattering coz people put a post-it note over the webcam so I believe it 😅
It’s funny because I basically use my 2013 mba like a folder for a few sheets of paper from time to time and it still works.
they will lost the battle against right-to-repair and will obey rules. Thanks for great video Hugh.
Thank you for finally covering this. I remember mentioning this subject to you in a previous video. This is why I’m using a mid 2012 Unibody MacBook Pro 13 inch with Ventura using a patcher.
Right on, I’m on a 2011 MBP and have a 2009 as a backup.
@@modquad18 I want to get one of those 2008 Aluminum Unibody MacBooks and also an aluminum PowerBook G4. My Mid-2012 MacBook Pro works great but needs a RAM upgrade as it only has 4GB 1600mhz DDR3 and it can have up to 16GB. I’m also gonna put either a 1TB or 2TB SSD in it to replace my 240GB SSD that is currently in my MacBook. I’ll keep the OS X Mountain Lion partition but expand it to the full 240GB and put that in one of those enclosures that go where the SuperDrive goes and put the SuperDrive in a USB enclosure. With Apple Silicon in the Mac and no more Intel ones that means when macOS only supports Apple Silicon, no more updates through patchers on Intel Macs. It’ll be like the PowerPC to Intel transition but it’s probably gonna be a while for that to happen. My MacBook needs some work done to it and hopefully I can get it running good. I’ll even get a 27” Thunderbolt Display for it to use at my desk along with the USB keyboard with the side ports and a 1st gen Magic Mouse as those don’t have the stupid charging port and just need batteries.
Absolute waste of time loo
Yeah I think I am officially going to get a Framework computer.
I am not into tinkering myself. But I do want something that can be repaired if damaged slightly.
I'd gladly trade in battery life and performance for something that can actually be fixed.
Try an Eluktronics, if you're into gaming at all. I got one of a whim and I love that it didn't come with an bloatware unlike most Windows computers. No pre-installed Candy Crush either
I'd probably get a Framework too if I needed another machine, just to support them as the concept is great.
I've always favored the business class ThinkPads, those are still very repairable.
lol, if youre getting a framework computer why are you looking at a macbook repair video, this is the other end of the extreme, besides with framework you will get repairability at the cost of a better screen, ssd, worse software in windows more glitches with your wifi, worse performance with no battery backup, just get apple care and let them take care of you
@@nikhilb6914 Was just researching the topic to replace my aging 2015 macbook pro
Also, you are more so stating opinions than facts.
Sure, the screen is worse. Other then that, you start making no sense.
You realize that with an NVME, I am getting the same or better performance than Apple M1/2 right? And when those chips die, I don''t have to replace the ENTIRE mobo because Apple soldered it to the board.
My data is 100x more protected BECAUSE it's (user) replacable.)
Windows, MacOS and GNU+Linux all have their pros and cons.
To say that one is so terrible despite the it being the most popular OS ever used, is ignorant.
Same as "glitchy wifi." What does that even mean?
Also what do you mean with no battery backup? Does Apple give you a UPS with your laptop which has a battery in it already?
And the "just get apple care" makes no sense anymore after a few years because you are slowly starting to pay more than the device is worth.
With Framework, I can go to any technician as they offer every detail they need on their website which is way cheaper and better.
@@nikhilb6914 Fun fact: most people can't (or don't want to) shell out thousands and thousands of dollars for a toy computer that can't do half of what windows can
Love the soundtrack. A cross between Miami Vice and Baywatch.
Keep up these videos, mate. Love the parts swap comparison to measure repairability. Probably need to do it for other popular devices.