i'm not supposed to say it, but my trek dealer confirmed me the Emonda is going to be discontinued as such and replaced by a lightweight Madone that will fit bother aero and lightweight purpose, announced in late June right before the tour. the sticker seems mainly for marketing purpose
The emonda was one of the very few iconic, timeless designs. "Aaaaand it's gone". A la south park. Nobody but trek ever considered it made sense to shape the seat post like that. In fact there's every reason not to. Sad day for the emonda.
How they designed the 2025 Madone: Step 1. Design the 2025 Emonda Step 2. Report absolutely terrible financials and say that you need a 40% reduction in SKUs Step 3. Scratch out Emonda, and write Madone over the top. They got completely surprised by the bullwhip effect in their supply chain after the COVID surge and now they're in pure reaction mode.
The full aero Madone is only 2 years old, it's unlikely to be going anywhere. This is a replacement for the carbon Emonda. The aluminum Emonda is only 1 year old, so it also unlikely to be going anywhere either.
@wesleythill1255 I can see this not being available until next year. And Trek renaming the aluminum Emonda as a Madone. Or simply making the Emonda aluminum only.
@@veganpotterthevegan they aren't discontinuing the emonda. They're discontinuing the Madone an renaming what should have been the Emonda to Madone. Names are just marketing. All they've done here is killed the aero bike and kept the climbing bike.
As a Triathlete I have thought that the Aero road with that handle bar to easily add aero bars would be the perfect bike for a Triathlete to have something for training, group rides and racing.
Me too! I was heavily considering buying the aero-handle bars and gear groove tri-bars for my Canyon Endurace from 2019, but now I may just consider getting the new Aeroad instead and then down the line get a nice pair of aero wheels if I want to do long distance triathlon.
They apparently gave a new Aeroad to Bottas (F1 driver and in his spare time cyclist/gravel rider) too. He was spotted in Monaco last weekend with an updated version of the bike
Funny thing is that current Aeroad was launched Late 2020 but only available to buy in 2022. So 2 years after it was rolled into production they are changing the frame again.
@@joonas4126 that really is very unusual for a brand like Canyon that likes loooong product cycles. Maybe that is the only way they could reliably get rid of the seat post issues?
That seat post😂😱. Where I live - Los Angeles - I’m surrounded by hills and mountains. I love riding avast gravity. I value light weight over aero. It’s not any easier on a lighter bike. But I can go faster than a heavier one.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 ich hoffe mal, dass noch nicht allzu viele deinen Kommentar gesehen haben. Sonst ist dein Bild ziemlich schnell im Wörterbuch als Beispiel für "dumm" zu finden. 🙃
Lol, I am curious to know as well. I prefer they name the new bike “Madone” rather than “Emonda” so my Emonda is not outdated. For this reason, it’s price should drop less in my opinion.
It seems to me that the shape of down tube of new Trek Emonda is very massive or wide. Compared to new Canyon Aeroad or other bikes. What shape is correct?
Have to say the Pinarello is gorgeous. I can afford to buy it but I'm not sure my extremely modest wattage output can justify it. Be a bit like driving an F1 car around town....
Not in my opinion. But to each their own.🙃Pinarello‘s design language never really appealed to me. After finding the last Trek Madone a little too bulky, I am pleasantly surprised by the new Trek bike though.😊
@@richardb8220 melted, sure sure. it's some tasteful and subtle curvature that only compliments the presentation of the frame/fork proportions, ffs. maybe get some thicker glasses...
Not a fan of that odd missing part below the saddle... I've got a dogma f10, and frankly, although I really want one of these new bikes (obviously...), I always seem to get stuck when thinking "why spent so much on a new bike when I already have such an iconic bike???" (also, I do love my wife, and spending an insane amount for a bike will probably cause mayhem at home.....
@@inferno4001 Three words: Integrated internal routing. From the Dogma F12 onwards, shift and brake lines (except the front brake line of rim brake units) route through the headset assembly, making any headset-related work take much longer and cost more due to the additional time required to recable the bike. Your Dogma F10, takes only minutes to replace the headset bearings and less than an hour to service the bearings since only the steerer tube goes through them, assuming everything else is fine.
@@yonglingng5640 good to know! I was already hesitant to get the dogma f, but I'll keep that internal routing definitely in mind when considering a new bike (most possible, a high end gravel bike by the way.... More roads to ride, wider tires, better geometry. Although, now that I think about it, these bikes nowadays also have internal routing....
The full aero Madone is only 2 years old, it's unlikely to be going anywhere. This is a replacement for the carbon Emonda. The aluminum Emonda is only 1 year old.
there really arent any light weight bikes anymore.. my 2016 emonda slr8 came in at 5.5 kg stock with aluminium wheels... and this wasnt even a top of the line model. so it makes sense that they are getting rid of emonda and just calling it madone. emonda has not been light weight for since 2nd gen.
I don't think 5.5KG is accurate for your '16 Emonda SLR 8. Though, the frame & fork weight are extremely light (690G frame). For reference my '19 Tarmac Ultra Light has a very similar frame & fork weight, with complete bikes under 6.3KG/14 Pounds. I enjoy a light weight bike in the mountains!
That Canyon is IMO super cool. It's only a tiny change, but since that bike is already one of the most aerodynamic bikes on the market, imagine how cool it would be having the ability to put on already adjusted TT extensions from the Speedmax using just one or two screws. That would make it a very capable time trial bike for most people as well and presumably for lower price than the standard Aeroad and a second hand cheap(er) TT bike as an addition.
The Madone, I really really REALLY love the water bottle cages. Hot damn that is sexy with it not being tied to the bike or proprietary bottle. Might have to get a couple for my bike if they are coming out soon and have a reasonably priced option. I agree that this is supposed to be an all-rounder used for any race condition. Predicted it all the way back when it was first leaked and everyone was up in arms about it being an Emonda. And love how they aren't going ultra crazy with any one thing in particular, just a full paint job on every bike. Another thing I give Trek props for is, (blinged-out) bikes for all players! I absolutely hate it when they only have one or two bikes for the key players and left everyone else on the same bland bike as before. I love that Trek is digging all-in on this ethos with them being a main title sponsor. The new Pinarello, you are scaring me out with how low that BB is compared to the structure. That scene of an exploded BB at the start of a MTB race is still not out of my memory. Canyon and Wilier, no comment. What's up with that thing around the bottom tubes though? Never noticed it until now and it is on every bike shown. I also like that bike stand thing shown for the Trek bike.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider they ride whatever the sponsor requires them to ride so said sponsor can later sell that to amateurs :) Making money is way more important than delivering the fastest tech possible. Of course the differences ain't that big so a monster like Tadej will win anyway. Heck I can bet he would win the Giro on a 1990's retro bike with a 8 speed Shimano 105 with the legs he has ;D Wide tires are forced upon because the disc brake requires wide stuff, ain't no secret to that lol. The whole era of discs in road bikes is nothing more than an awesome idea to make tons of money - from a pure racing perspective it's utter garbage and rides like absolute trash. You pick up a top end bike from 2018 and you won't ever want to ride a disc brake one again. Cheers.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Last year on the TDF Pogaçar rode with 31mm front and 32 rear, real size. It's a huge aero handicap compared to Vindegaard who rode on 24!!! and tubular. On the chrono bike UAE used Aerocoach wheels and the tires were not aero optimized as recommended, big optimization error (its front rim, the most aero was optimized for 23 mm they have put 28 ...)
Interesting to see the trek running a sram UDH derailleur hanger. Means people can run "mullet" setup with the sram mtb gears in the back, or the new sram xplr 13gear groupset spotted at unbound gravel.
Problem with the dogma sense the f12 is weight just can’t get to that 6.8kg , it doesn’t really look lighter but hopefully,,I going to update my f12 probably to sl8 unless the dogma frame is in the 600gs
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That new Madone! What do you think about it and would you still ride a lighter bike? 👇
Probably not a new Madone …
I think piss poor journalism....its the new emonda
It’s lighter, aero and faster. Exactly what I’ve been waiting for😆
@@45madoneI also think it's more likely Emonda. Madone is still quite fresh and Emonda is getting old. Or it will be new name 😅
🤣
You can see emonda printed in red underneath the word madone on the top tube if you zoom in
i'm not supposed to say it, but my trek dealer confirmed me the Emonda is going to be discontinued as such and replaced by a lightweight Madone that will fit bother aero and lightweight purpose, announced in late June right before the tour.
the sticker seems mainly for marketing purpose
@@Vincelebourringoing down the Specialized Tarmac route then.
I really hope the Emonda goes back to a round tube ultralight bike with no eye on aero
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Factor and Giant did the same but kept their climbing bikes.
@@sharokinisayo7389 would be cool but then that new MADONE doesn’t look aero enough compared to a Scott Foil, Cervelo S5, Aeroad etc
That Pinarello’s BB area looks like a good place for a big Bosch motor 🤣
Lets see if performances improve greatly rather quickly😂
Gee…just posted almost the same thing, glad there are others who noticed that
Definitely looks suspect
Good point! My buddies will be sooo frustrated when I constantly leave them behind on the climbs!! 😂
Could be preparations for dogma E bike I guess
The emonda was one of the very few iconic, timeless designs. "Aaaaand it's gone". A la south park. Nobody but trek ever considered it made sense to shape the seat post like that. In fact there's every reason not to. Sad day for the emonda.
No half wheeling. The new name of this fusion bike will be Deamon.
New Trek Madone looks snazzy to me and seems to have acquitted itself fairly well on today's stage 1 of the Dauphine.
Trek looks like the old LOOK😅 from La Vie Claire days
looked like a slimmed down seat tube and seat post on the Aeroad too.
Back to 2013 when my Trek Madone was the lightweight aero bike.
It is a Madonda. 😂
That Lidl Trek livery is fantastic
It really is. Reminds a bit of Look's Mondrian scheme.
How they designed the 2025 Madone:
Step 1. Design the 2025 Emonda
Step 2. Report absolutely terrible financials and say that you need a 40% reduction in SKUs
Step 3. Scratch out Emonda, and write Madone over the top.
They got completely surprised by the bullwhip effect in their supply chain after the COVID surge and now they're in pure reaction mode.
The Emonda was never a big seller. They should have discontinued it years ago.
Yeah. We had that one photo to go on and now we know.
The full aero Madone is only 2 years old, it's unlikely to be going anywhere. This is a replacement for the carbon Emonda. The aluminum Emonda is only 1 year old, so it also unlikely to be going anywhere either.
@wesleythill1255 I can see this not being available until next year. And Trek renaming the aluminum Emonda as a Madone. Or simply making the Emonda aluminum only.
@@veganpotterthevegan they aren't discontinuing the emonda. They're discontinuing the Madone an renaming what should have been the Emonda to Madone. Names are just marketing. All they've done here is killed the aero bike and kept the climbing bike.
Weren't the Zipp 454's on the Aeroad also new? They seemed slightly different from existing ones.
As a Triathlete I have thought that the Aero road with that handle bar to easily add aero bars would be the perfect bike for a Triathlete to have something for training, group rides and racing.
Me too! I was heavily considering buying the aero-handle bars and gear groove tri-bars for my Canyon Endurace from 2019, but now I may just consider getting the new Aeroad instead and then down the line get a nice pair of aero wheels if I want to do long distance triathlon.
They apparently gave a new Aeroad to Bottas (F1 driver and in his spare time cyclist/gravel rider) too. He was spotted in Monaco last weekend with an updated version of the bike
Spotted on MvdP too
Funny thing is that current Aeroad was launched Late 2020 but only available to buy in 2022. So 2 years after it was rolled into production they are changing the frame again.
@@joonas4126 that really is very unusual for a brand like Canyon that likes loooong product cycles. Maybe that is the only way they could reliably get rid of the seat post issues?
The whole TDF line up of Alpecin Deceuninck has it, they are in altitude Camp right now, and have the new bikes with them
You don’t see the émonda text under the Madone on the top tube?
I love this Emonda ❤
That seat post😂😱. Where I live - Los Angeles - I’m surrounded by hills and mountains. I love riding avast gravity. I value light weight over aero. It’s not any easier on a lighter bike. But I can go faster than a heavier one.
The bikes aren't exactly getting any prettier. 😮
All of the bikes are my favorites:)
Dogma bike looks insane beatiful.
On the contrary. If you look up "ugly" in a dictionary, you'll find the photo of a carbon Pinarello next to it.
@@einundsiebenziger5488the countless people who own one shows you are wrong...as does pinarellos Financials. Envy is a hell of a drug.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 ich hoffe mal, dass noch nicht allzu viele deinen Kommentar gesehen haben. Sonst ist dein Bild ziemlich schnell im Wörterbuch als Beispiel für "dumm" zu finden. 🙃
@@einundsiebenziger5488If you look up ‘mistake’ in a dictionary, you will find a picture of your mother with you in her belly.
That tubular tire...
Sticking with what you know is understandable but in this case it's pretty questionable..
So did the value of my 2023 Emonda just go up or down?
Lol, I am curious to know as well. I prefer they name the new bike “Madone” rather than “Emonda” so my Emonda is not outdated. For this reason, it’s price should drop less in my opinion.
New dogma is actually e-bike? A battery seems installed in the BB area!
There's no motor anywhere on the bike.
Willer’s front fork looks it’s going in the direction of the bmc team machine r
To me, seeing the problems the bike Market is facing, makes sense to reduce the line merging both bikes
Dogma keeps getting uglier and uglier. The state of the bb area! Like a 1970s porcelain toilet.
The colours remind me of a Look design. Nice bike though.
More aero and more light with relaxed geo’s please.
It seems to me that the shape of down tube of new Trek Emonda is very massive or wide. Compared to new Canyon Aeroad or other bikes. What shape is correct?
Have to say the Pinarello is gorgeous. I can afford to buy it but I'm not sure my extremely modest wattage output can justify it. Be a bit like driving an F1 car around town....
Only Trek would design a seat tube like that and tempt fate just to be different..
It's definitely less problematic than seatmasts
@@veganpotterthevegan not if you know anything about maths/engineering/materials.
@StopTheRot I do. It's not a problem in itself. So long as the right layup is done, that seat system could hold 1000lbs ffs
Why no one sees the Emonda letters under Madone sticker?
those Dogmas are still the best looking bikes in the peloton.
Not in my opinion. But to each their own.🙃Pinarello‘s design language never really appealed to me.
After finding the last Trek Madone a little too bulky, I am pleasantly surprised by the new Trek bike though.😊
If you like a frame that looks like it melted.
@@richardb8220 melted, sure sure. it's some tasteful and subtle curvature that only compliments the presentation of the frame/fork proportions, ffs.
maybe get some thicker glasses...
is it a Modone or Emonda or maybe a Demona?
Why does every Pinarello look like somebody held a blowtorch to any of the other carbon bikes? Yuk!
Trek it’s going on the wrong direction!! Canyon wow 🤩 Sexy Bike
Round tubes... 25mm tubs..? But I was told 8kg bikes with deep section tubes and 32mm tubeless was faster?
Trek Madonda
This is Emonda
Not a fan of that odd missing part below the saddle... I've got a dogma f10, and frankly, although I really want one of these new bikes (obviously...), I always seem to get stuck when thinking "why spent so much on a new bike when I already have such an iconic bike???" (also, I do love my wife, and spending an insane amount for a bike will probably cause mayhem at home.....
Your Dogma F10 is the last Dogma that's not cumbersome to maintain.
@@yonglingng5640 so the dogma f is difficult to maintain? How so?
@@inferno4001 Three words: Integrated internal routing.
From the Dogma F12 onwards, shift and brake lines (except the front brake line of rim brake units) route through the headset assembly, making any headset-related work take much longer and cost more due to the additional time required to recable the bike.
Your Dogma F10, takes only minutes to replace the headset bearings and less than an hour to service the bearings since only the steerer tube goes through them, assuming everything else is fine.
@@yonglingng5640 good to know! I was already hesitant to get the dogma f, but I'll keep that internal routing definitely in mind when considering a new bike (most possible, a high end gravel bike by the way.... More roads to ride, wider tires, better geometry. Although, now that I think about it, these bikes nowadays also have internal routing....
@@yonglingng5640 also, slightly off topic, why can you only use electronic groupsets in the new tarmac????
This was the new Emonda until bad sales number and marketing took over the project.
Esa bicicleta es la nueva Emonda pero con las pegatinas de Madone para despistar a los periodistas.
Trek murdered my favorite bike. Wtf just drop the emonda without screwing up the madone!
The full aero Madone is only 2 years old, it's unlikely to be going anywhere. This is a replacement for the carbon Emonda. The aluminum Emonda is only 1 year old.
Trek DAMONE
there really arent any light weight bikes anymore.. my 2016 emonda slr8 came in at 5.5 kg stock with aluminium wheels... and this wasnt even a top of the line model. so it makes sense that they are getting rid of emonda and just calling it madone. emonda has not been light weight for since 2nd gen.
I don't think 5.5KG is accurate for your '16 Emonda SLR 8. Though, the frame & fork weight are extremely light (690G frame). For reference my '19 Tarmac Ultra Light has a very similar frame & fork weight, with complete bikes under 6.3KG/14 Pounds. I enjoy a light weight bike in the mountains!
I would call it a facelift rather than “new”, I still don’t like the Trek Madone the only bike that could be called new
time to build the classic fat madone... that will become more expensive...
Look should sue Trek for copying it's color scheme
Trek offcourse
Emonda is dead.
Dogmas looking like dogs
Dude, only me see this sticker with "EMONDA" in the background?!
nope, it is clearly there
Sweet baby Jesus that new trek is absolutely horrible. Do they even know how to spell structural engineer.
That is one very expensive ugly bike!
That Willier. 🤮
Ma-don't with I$ofloat
Madone is made from paper carbon, totally hideous!
Trek will go bust very soon if they don't change that seat post design. Forget 'compliance', that can be done with 30mm tyres at 60psi.
Not impressed
I’d rather buy a Chevy Yugo with 100k miles (not a typo)
Fking trek
The Trek seems to be the new Emonda. At 0:18 you can see the Emonda print underneath the Madone sticker...
I am pretty sure that the print is part of the same sticker. Underneath the sticker is what looks like an infinity symbol ♾️.
Trek it’s going on the wrong direction!! Canyon wow 🤩 Sexy Bike
my favorite visually was the canyon .. i didn't like the dogma f bottom bracket area , it looked like a mid drive e bike ...
Really like the new Madone, might switch me from my Tarmac SL6.
That Canyon is IMO super cool. It's only a tiny change, but since that bike is already one of the most aerodynamic bikes on the market, imagine how cool it would be having the ability to put on already adjusted TT extensions from the Speedmax using just one or two screws. That would make it a very capable time trial bike for most people as well and presumably for lower price than the standard Aeroad and a second hand cheap(er) TT bike as an addition.
Bluetooth brakes?
@@maltesigmund1843 ??
New Trek look so good 🔥🔥🔥👌
This is new emonda , decal emonda wraping madone , launching in Tour de Frace 2024
Wonder if it's gonna snap at the bend on the seat post?
Let’s hope trek get their pricing right and don’t go looking for 10 grand for an ultegra version.
You don't need to have the mic inside your mouth 😂
The wilier is nice
Emonda front end, Madone back end
This is the new emonda, and its just a madone sticker lol.
Team Crayola
New DOGMA looks Savage!!
I like the size of Dogma F BB area.Just imagine the size of the e-motor you can hide in there…
You forgot about the size of the Italian-threaded BB shell's hole, anything bigger than this hole will not fit through.
Wilier gets best looking from me followed by Dogma
Is it still OCLV 800?? or it got better carbon layer?
They put tape over the real name of the bike on the front fork.
Wilier is my favorite. I wn 2 right now.
It' a new Émonda. You'll see.
Great Detective work Guys!
Wilier looks best
The Trek tubes look like my cervelo R3 from 2013 . New tech my arse
The Madone, I really really REALLY love the water bottle cages. Hot damn that is sexy with it not being tied to the bike or proprietary bottle. Might have to get a couple for my bike if they are coming out soon and have a reasonably priced option.
I agree that this is supposed to be an all-rounder used for any race condition. Predicted it all the way back when it was first leaked and everyone was up in arms about it being an Emonda. And love how they aren't going ultra crazy with any one thing in particular, just a full paint job on every bike.
Another thing I give Trek props for is, (blinged-out) bikes for all players! I absolutely hate it when they only have one or two bikes for the key players and left everyone else on the same bland bike as before. I love that Trek is digging all-in on this ethos with them being a main title sponsor.
The new Pinarello, you are scaring me out with how low that BB is compared to the structure. That scene of an exploded BB at the start of a MTB race is still not out of my memory.
Canyon and Wilier, no comment.
What's up with that thing around the bottom tubes though? Never noticed it until now and it is on every bike shown. I also like that bike stand thing shown for the Trek bike.
Tubolar in 2024 🤯
And 25c too hahaha are they nuts
They know what is the fastest choice out there :D
@@piotrkol91 so UAE and Pogacar are idiots riding slow 28c tubeless tires (which actually balloon to 30-32c on ENVE’s 25mm internal rims…)
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider they ride whatever the sponsor requires them to ride so said sponsor can later sell that to amateurs :) Making money is way more important than delivering the fastest tech possible. Of course the differences ain't that big so a monster like Tadej will win anyway. Heck I can bet he would win the Giro on a 1990's retro bike with a 8 speed Shimano 105 with the legs he has ;D Wide tires are forced upon because the disc brake requires wide stuff, ain't no secret to that lol. The whole era of discs in road bikes is nothing more than an awesome idea to make tons of money - from a pure racing perspective it's utter garbage and rides like absolute trash. You pick up a top end bike from 2018 and you won't ever want to ride a disc brake one again. Cheers.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Last year on the TDF Pogaçar rode with 31mm front and 32 rear, real size. It's a huge aero handicap compared to Vindegaard who rode on 24!!! and tubular. On the chrono bike UAE used Aerocoach wheels and the tires were not aero optimized as recommended, big optimization error (its front rim, the most aero was optimized for 23 mm they have put 28 ...)
pinarello dogma ! I want one just because its got a very cool name!
Interesting to see the trek running a sram UDH derailleur hanger. Means people can run "mullet" setup with the sram mtb gears in the back, or the new sram xplr 13gear groupset spotted at unbound gravel.
The best benefit is customers don't need to scratch their heads finding the right hanger, they just need to ask for a UDH in any shop that stocks it.
Problem with the dogma sense the f12 is weight just can’t get to that 6.8kg , it doesn’t really look lighter but hopefully,,I going to update my f12 probably to sl8 unless the dogma frame is in the 600gs
It’s the ADEMON or NODAME AMONDE