l8o of course the more custom aero you go the better, they dont make anything too track oriented for the mk6 gti but i know some people who hookup the custom chasis mounted splitter, suspension and tires are king with fwd cars tho, i have d2 racing coilovers at about medium stiffness all around with being as low as i can without rubbing.
I know this is an old comment but I'll respond anyway... the electric power steering system in the GTI is *excellent* and really shines with a modified suspension, especially after bushing upgrades. At track speeds like this it's effectively a completely manual rack as the system stops applying assist over a certain speed and only really comes back on to prevent torque steer. That means that instead of fighting the wheel as it tries to break your wrists when accelerating out of corners the car just goes where you point it, much like an AWD car. I don't really understand why the GTI isn't more popular among track rats as you can get CTR performance for a fraction of the price with a low enough initial buy-in where you won't feel bad about stripping the interior or removing the air conditioning and radio. With aftermarket wheels, removed rear seats, removed jack/spare, lithium motorsport battery, and fixed back bucket seats the car's weight without driver would come in at just shy of 2800 lbs.
@michael w I have mk4 GTI that has OEM+ mods that I do track days with. Often the only VW. It’s fun but the investment to get it to the next level isn’t worth it to me. Just picked up an ap2 so will be fun to compare this spring/summer. 🙂
Excelllent video, and great driving too! I drive both of these cars currently, so it really speaks to me(I daily+autocross a mk6 gti, and track an ap2 s2000). A lot of people don't think much of the gti, but I found that once you tune out the ESC it's really well balanced. The gti rotates real nice with a little throttle lift, and I love the steering accuracy in it too. Definitely needs a real lsd though!
@@ElapsusRealitate I own an AP1 and a MK6 GTI. I've owned 3 S2000s. The GTI is the car to own, especially if you can only have 1. The S2000 is still a bit more thrilling, but the GTI is a lot of fun and makes for a great daily. Did you buy one yet?
Yep. And one must visit 'Gunma cycling park' also when visiting Japan. I believe that is where they shoot some of their Togue runs. But I'm not sure if you are allowed to drive there without renting the track because the venue is named a cycle park I believe. One more thing for the #bucketlist
After race: GTI packs up race wheels in hatch, gets in car, drives home…S2k is loaded onto trailer, race tools and equipment are fitted onto containers, trailer is hitched onto truck, truck is then trekked to hotel, microwave TV dinner, night has ended.
Another cool vid! Question does your buddy still have his golf because one of the videos I had seen he was debating on whether to keep it and modify it more or attain a different car?
@@woodcutte128 Question will you be getting rid of the M3 or just adding the vette to your stable??If you’re getting rid of the M3 what do you see that the Corvette has over it or are you just looking to move onto a new platform
Keep your GTI Jeff and get a Wavetrack differential. You are tracking with an S2000, safer on the road in all conditions and better mpg. What can’t you do- sleeeeeeper
@KJV other race cars don't have that rattling...other race cars aren't luxury cars. Therefore, he should care about the rattling and try to get it fixed, therefore maybe he will get more views. I am sure I am not the only person bothered by it. EDIT: Others are commenting on the rattling being annoying too. My s2000 also rattles...but not as often since I am not racing it.
My bad, I was thinking of the Golf R. Either way it seemed like he wasn't driving as hard. Is it just that the FWD looks that way due? I didn't notice much slip from the VW.
Eric Rohner I'm already pushing the car at its limit and I've tried making the car suspension to oversteer as much as i can but it doesn't like to rotate as much as i want. its the nature of fwd.
He's This He's That !! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH !! All I hear is excuses !! The GTI Is The BEST Sport Hatchback Ever !! Always Has Been. I am Sooo Sick & Tired of the Rice Burner Crowd, most of their cars make more Noise than anything. I have been in the Watercooled VW Scene since 1983, and I have never seen so many Japanese cars loose to the GTI's. Time & Time again, The HGP Golf Did 221 MPH On The Autobahn. I have yet to see a Japanese Car Do that. The Bugatti Veyron in the Video couldn't even catch the 3.6 Liter VR6 Twin Turbo Mark 7.5 Golf. Over 700HP & 800 + Torque. LONG LIVE THE VW GTI 🤩😍😋🤗
Many cars are faster than an s2k but they are more expensive or less reliable and the e46 m3 is both. It's a great car, I've had one as a rental several times but to find a clean one for a decent price is nigh impossible.
9000Redline I have never heard of a rental E46 m3 so I think you might be mistaken. And no they are not unreliable either, I own one currently, oh and it's the worse kind one which is a SMG, but it runs strong and looks good doing it. No I am not a Honda hater infact I am a fan of S2000 but they have gone out of reach where as the m3 is still affordable.
Where I live (New Zealand) s2ks are more affordable than Euro performance cars due to proximity to Japan and distance to Europe. M cars or Audi, Porsche have huge markups. It's the same in Australia by the way. The e46 rental isn't a story I'm making up. A company called devinerentals.com had one. It is not on their site anymore though. I know it was for sale at some point, presumably because renter drove the wheels off it. Both the e46 and r90 are known to have various issues, not only engine related. I'm not knocking your car mate but anything built for performance has tolerances that are smaller than an economy car. Any performance car is going to be more unreliable in general (when driven spirited or on track) than an economy car, it's a given.
9000Redline gotcha, well I am in the US and the prices for s2k have rocketed here. Even something with 100k miles is not less than $15k. I looked into the s2k when I was trying to buy myself a performance car. The m3 just had more power and is bigger hence I opted for it.
Would have done the same in your situation. It's just the reverse here. Maybe there are also less LHD S2ks than RHD, driving up prices further. So in the US how much is a 80k mile e46? In NZ those used to sell for 15K US 5years ago, but now prices are 20K+ and that's for a 80k+ car which is going to have issues at some point, like any car that is getting up in the mileage. I'm puzzled by it and drive my s2k that doesn't eat my wallet where I live.
Im surprised how composed the GTI is. He rarely has to hack at the wheel at all, very smooth for an FF.
it could be faster in the corners if he was lower and had better aero... mine has almost no roll in the corners
@@TheCarTakes What aero do you recommend? And what ride height?
l8o of course the more custom aero you go the better, they dont make anything too track oriented for the mk6 gti but i know some people who hookup the custom chasis mounted splitter, suspension and tires are king with fwd cars tho, i have d2 racing coilovers at about medium stiffness all around with being as low as i can without rubbing.
I know this is an old comment but I'll respond anyway... the electric power steering system in the GTI is *excellent* and really shines with a modified suspension, especially after bushing upgrades. At track speeds like this it's effectively a completely manual rack as the system stops applying assist over a certain speed and only really comes back on to prevent torque steer. That means that instead of fighting the wheel as it tries to break your wrists when accelerating out of corners the car just goes where you point it, much like an AWD car.
I don't really understand why the GTI isn't more popular among track rats as you can get CTR performance for a fraction of the price with a low enough initial buy-in where you won't feel bad about stripping the interior or removing the air conditioning and radio. With aftermarket wheels, removed rear seats, removed jack/spare, lithium motorsport battery, and fixed back bucket seats the car's weight without driver would come in at just shy of 2800 lbs.
@michael w I have mk4 GTI that has OEM+ mods that I do track days with. Often the only VW. It’s fun but the investment to get it to the next level isn’t worth it to me. Just picked up an ap2 so will be fun to compare this spring/summer. 🙂
He seems to be doing just fine with FWD and that sweet German low-end torque. If anything find a Mk5 GTI and gut it/make it into a track car
Like this one! ruclips.net/video/zgRLnryp2L0/видео.html
The GTIs are pretty impressive, there are a few that run with us in the mountains. Great video👍
love my gti, also love out doing anything that tries me on a mountain road lolol
STICK WITH THE VW!! GTI FTW lol great track race y'all
Excelllent video, and great driving too! I drive both of these cars currently, so it really speaks to me(I daily+autocross a mk6 gti, and track an ap2 s2000). A lot of people don't think much of the gti, but I found that once you tune out the ESC it's really well balanced. The gti rotates real nice with a little throttle lift, and I love the steering accuracy in it too. Definitely needs a real lsd though!
As someone who has owned an AP2, and is now looking at a new 2021 GTI, I really appreciate this comment!
@@ElapsusRealitate I own an AP1 and a MK6 GTI. I've owned 3 S2000s. The GTI is the car to own, especially if you can only have 1. The S2000 is still a bit more thrilling, but the GTI is a lot of fun and makes for a great daily. Did you buy one yet?
Most People Don't Think Period !! And are woefully Ignorant as well. You're obviously a thinker and have the driving experience as well.
Agree… as someone that tracks a mk4 w/o a real LSD, I think it would make a huge difference.
There is no such thing as too much best motoring
Yep. And one must visit 'Gunma cycling park' also when visiting Japan. I believe that is where they shoot some of their Togue runs. But I'm not sure if you are allowed to drive there without renting the track because the venue is named a cycle park I believe. One more thing for the #bucketlist
After race: GTI packs up race wheels in hatch, gets in car, drives home…S2k is loaded onto trailer, race tools and equipment are fitted onto containers, trailer is hitched onto truck, truck is then trekked to hotel, microwave TV dinner, night has ended.
Yo the Gti was out pacing the Porsche! I wonder how my Apr mk7 gti would do then. High hopes 😁
GTI says catch me if u can 🤣
Would like to see this comparison with the new Mk7 GTI and make sure it’s a Perfomance package with the LSD and bigger brakes!
Another cool vid! Question does your buddy still have his golf because one of the videos I had seen he was debating on whether to keep it and modify it more or attain a different car?
I picked up an e46 m3. But still plan to pick up a vette 🙂
@@woodcutte128 very nice!!!!! That American muscle as you jonesing 😂🍺👻
@@woodcutte128 Question will you be getting rid of the M3 or just adding the vette to your stable??If you’re getting rid of the M3 what do you see that the Corvette has over it or are you just looking to move onto a new platform
The subtitles make this so much more entertaining.
Love both cars.. own a mk6.. this made me happy lol btw have you been lifting bro??
I have lol. Time to start a fitness channel...?
Keep these vids up!
literally was watching Best Motoring right before I watched this lolol...
Nice driving! Aren’t you supposed to stop driving ASAP if you get a CEL? Unless you somehow were able to know what it was for while driving?
You need to stop driving immediately if it's a blinking CEL. If it's a solid CEL, you can still drive, albeit cautiously.
ok thanks for that
happens to the best of us man
I like the rattle, reminds me of the soft top rattle in my ap1 lol
I love best motoring international. Never gets old watching touge battles😁. Nice battle 👍
I have a stage 2 3door mk4 gti 1.8t, steering is meh but it goes like an absolute rocket, no torque steer either
Keep your GTI Jeff and get a Wavetrack differential. You are tracking with an S2000, safer on the road in all conditions and better mpg. What can’t you do- sleeeeeeper
That mk6 is only on stage 1?? Impressive
Nice driving !!! Tell him s2000 FTW !!! Cheers 👍🏽
The sound of tires locking in a terminal spin is the worst. I am always cringing waiting to hear a loud crunch at the end
*Damn son, get rid of that rattling noise!* Use some rubber or foam sponges and silence that rattling please. I think it is the hardtop correct?
is a damn race car . who cares about rattling . is not a luxury car . lol
Actually I think it was my mic
@KJV other race cars don't have that rattling...other race cars aren't luxury cars. Therefore, he should care about the rattling and try to get it fixed, therefore maybe he will get more views. I am sure I am not the only person bothered by it.
EDIT: Others are commenting on the rattling being annoying too. My s2000 also rattles...but not as often since I am not racing it.
Stick with the GTI it seems so much smoother in the turns
Considering how much more power the gti has he couldn't increase the gap.
To me he looked like he was driving it softer. Is that just because it's AWD?
Eric Rohner it's fwd
My bad, I was thinking of the Golf R.
Either way it seemed like he wasn't driving as hard. Is it just that the FWD looks that way due? I didn't notice much slip from the VW.
Eric Rohner I'm already pushing the car at its limit and I've tried making the car suspension to oversteer as much as i can but it doesn't like to rotate as much as i want. its the nature of fwd.
Cool, I didn't recognize you as the driver. Thanks for responding!
The rattling 😭
Wrenching on vw, or any euro, can be a pain. S2000 gets my vote. I just had O2 sensors go out in my mini cooper, easy easy fix.
All-in-all would you say you are happier with the 2.2l motor?
Yes definitely happier with F22C! It's a more flexible engine. Midrange is much stronger.
GTI Total Relax🎉😂
Gti all the way!!
He's This He's That !! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH !! All I hear is excuses !! The GTI Is The BEST Sport Hatchback Ever !! Always Has Been. I am Sooo Sick & Tired of the Rice Burner Crowd, most of their cars make more Noise than anything. I have been in the Watercooled VW Scene since 1983, and I have never seen so many Japanese cars loose to the GTI's. Time & Time again, The HGP Golf Did 221 MPH On The Autobahn.
I have yet to see a Japanese Car Do that. The Bugatti Veyron in the Video couldn't even catch the 3.6 Liter VR6 Twin Turbo Mark 7.5 Golf. Over 700HP & 800 + Torque. LONG LIVE THE VW GTI 🤩😍😋🤗
gti with stage 1 have 270 hp easy
Buy and E46 M3 and smoke that S2k everyday :D
Many cars are faster than an s2k but they are more expensive or less reliable and the e46 m3 is both. It's a great car, I've had one as a rental several times but to find a clean one for a decent price is nigh impossible.
9000Redline I have never heard of a rental E46 m3 so I think you might be mistaken. And no they are not unreliable either, I own one currently, oh and it's the worse kind one which is a SMG, but it runs strong and looks good doing it. No I am not a Honda hater infact I am a fan of S2000 but they have gone out of reach where as the m3 is still affordable.
Where I live (New Zealand) s2ks are more affordable than Euro performance cars due to proximity to Japan and distance to Europe. M cars or Audi, Porsche have huge markups. It's the same in Australia by the way. The e46 rental isn't a story I'm making up. A company called devinerentals.com had one. It is not on their site anymore though. I know it was for sale at some point, presumably because renter drove the wheels off it. Both the e46 and r90 are known to have various issues, not only engine related. I'm not knocking your car mate but anything built for performance has tolerances that are smaller than an economy car. Any performance car is going to be more unreliable in general (when driven spirited or on track) than an economy car, it's a given.
9000Redline gotcha, well I am in the US and the prices for s2k have rocketed here. Even something with 100k miles is not less than $15k. I looked into the s2k when I was trying to buy myself a performance car. The m3 just had more power and is bigger hence I opted for it.
Would have done the same in your situation. It's just the reverse here. Maybe there are also less LHD S2ks than RHD, driving up prices further. So in the US how much is a 80k mile e46? In NZ those used to sell for 15K US 5years ago, but now prices are 20K+ and that's for a 80k+ car which is going to have issues at some point, like any car that is getting up in the mileage. I'm puzzled by it and drive my s2k that doesn't eat my wallet where I live.
he'll buy an s2000 once his waterpump fails (again).
i think he'll be real quick with the type r... all that fwd practice
haha, 81k miles so far so good.