The Star Wars Sequels Are Too Broken!
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Is there a way to fix the Star Wars sequels or are they too broken?
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🌟 Unlocking the Potential of Star Wars: The Missing Vision 🌟
Join Sean Chandler in this thought-provoking discussion as he delves into the complexities of the Star Wars sequel trilogy. From the lack of a central vision to the creative inbreeding plaguing the galaxy far, far away, Sean dissects the challenges faced by the sequels and proposes a crucial change that could have elevated them to new heights.
🚀 Key Points Discussed:
🔍 Analyzing the Prequels vs. Sequels: Sean draws parallels between George Lucas's big-picture vision in the prequels and the disjointed nature of the sequels. The execution might differ, but the core problem remains.
🤔 The Absence of a Big Idea: Unlike the prequels, the sequels lacked a singular vision, resulting in a chaotic narrative with numerous course corrections and conflicting creative decisions.
🔗 Inspiration vs. Imitation: Sean highlights the shift from George Lucas's diverse inspirations to the sequels' reliance on past Star Wars material, emphasizing the need for fresh, innovative ideas.
🌌 Creative Inbreeding: The discussion extends to how even beloved series like The Mandalorian can fall into the trap of nostalgic callbacks, hindering the introduction of genuinely new elements to the Star Wars universe.
🔄 The Need for a Vision Caster: Sean proposes a fundamental change-appointing a single visionary to guide the trilogy, ensuring a unified direction and a coherent narrative.
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Bringing Palpatine back was the most insulting thing from any 3 of these for me.
It didn’t bother me because the foundation of Star Wars is space ghosts and cloning
I concur,it made the character sacrifices in the previous films mute 🤬
@@jdolan74Except it contradicts what's already been established.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I mean the prequel trilogy was way more contradictory but Palpatine creating clones of himself doesn’t really feel all that contradictory especially with The Mandalorian setting up all the events of the Dyad Trilogy.
@@jdolan74 What about the Prequels was contradictory? Not trying to get a ‘gotcha’, just asking.
The problem with that is that it was made after the movies they are trying to correct. Plus, it reduces the importance of the Original Trilogy if Palpatine could have an army of clone bodies to jump into.
Kind of makes the first 6 movies, and the characters within, pretty pointless.
If the foundation of ideas is flawed, it’s tough to build off of those flawed ideas. That’s what the sequel trilogy is. It’s taking weak, strange, and recycled ideas and executing them poorly. There wasn’t a creative to oversee the films. There wasn’t a structure that storytellers that could build on. It was essentially just a studio that wanted to make billion dollar films, but they couldn’t comprehend that storytelling requires a storytellers with clear, unified vision
Wrong
Exactly these films felt like they just existed to sponsor disneylands new park instead of participating in the overall story of Star Wars
JJ Abrams was a horrible choice for TFA because he's never had an original thought and has never told a complete story in his life.
Not a JJ Abrams fan, but he did make Super 8 which is a good coming-of-age movie.
@@dankairgadam8841 I remember watching it and thinking, "That's just Stranger Things". It came out 5 years prior, which means that the Duffers stole an idea from him. Meaning JJ Abrams did have an original thought.
Somehow palptine returned, one of the funniest lines ever 💀
As a starting point, the first film in the sequel trilogy should have focused on the *emergence* of a new threat, not have it already established, and through that approach, the status quo at the end of Return of the Jedi would have carried over despite the characters being much older.
I wish they had come up with the idea of the Nihil earlier and they had been the new threat in the sequels
Apart from not rewatching them, the only thing that helped me get over the Sequels is watching the great video essay on RUclips, “The Star Wars Sequels: Disney’s Anti-Trilogy.”
Love that video! So Uncivilized is such a great channel.
@@a_fine_edition2746 Right?! I completely agree. I'm glad to hear that someone loved the video too. Thank you.
To me the issue is that Star Wars was never meant to be a shared universe, its originally just one story of the Skywalker family, primarily Anakin skywalker and Luke, and the sequels should’ve continued their legacy and involve Luke and Anakin both heavily while also allowing the 3rd generation of Skywalkers to explore new worlds, the rebirth of the Jedi and seeing if it can survive where the old one failed, how to restore a government with Han and Leia.
But what they did was the same exact storyline as the ot and now Rey and the new characters are going to go on and do what the og trio should’ve accomplished, it virtually makes the ot meaningless in the big picture as yes it is thanks to the sequels. What the point of any of it when we know it’s all gonna come undone, instead of building up, they tore down and replaced it with a cheaper alternative version cause it was safe.
That’s why I truly don’t give a shit about anything in the mando verse connecting to the sequels, or fixing them. Cause we know it’s all gonna revert back to the start of a new hope status eventually.
The sequels serve no purpose to further the story of 1-6, that’s what The Rey movie is essentially going to do, progress the story, new new republic and Jedi order new threats, and what’s worst is its gonna be helmed by lesser characters then the beloved of trio
They really are. Concepts introduced just break too many of the rules and make me think, “Well, why didn’t you just do x or y in that scenario?” Such as the Holdo maneuver and Rey ended up becoming way too broken and OP of a character I just can’t feel worried for her wherever they go with her because they’ve just gifted her abilities like if it was Christmas.
Then you have the legacy characters that are either dead and can’t be brought back and undermined some of their journeys. Didn’t help that they plagiarized the original trilogy either. I’m sorry to anyone that enjoys the sequels, I can respect your opinion, but I seriously think these movies were horrible, and the last two are some of my least favorite movies of all time…
What’s the messaging of the sequels? Almost 5 years later I have no idea. You watch 1-3, 4-6 you have a clear picture of what they wanted to tell you.
@@heelmoxley365 the message was don’t let a producer do a job she hasn’t been hired to do for 40+ years. Also, a tighter vision runs a tighter ship. Bring two conflicting dudes into it and suddenly it’s abandon ship 🛟
Also, plot will always take care of you
@@NinthShinigami
Me leaving my Rise of Skywalker screening.
‘Time to abandon ship. 😷’
At least Fifty Shades of Grey has more consistency than the SW sequel trilogy
@@sergioliden5652 I wouldn’t know as I’ve never seen them but knowing what they are, I’ll take your word for it and find that funny 😂
I find TLJ specifically annoying just because on all the technical levels it is AMAZING! The visual effects, the cinematography, the soundtrack, the aesthetic of the Throne Room scene are all so so so appealing and every so often I'll see clips from it in one of Sean's videos and convince myself "Oh, look! That part was really cool. Maybe it wasn't so bad?" And then I watch it. I feel none of this for TRoS
One of the biggest issues as a whole with the big picture imo was bringing Palpatine back. The entire Skywalker saga was building up to that moment of Vader saving Luke by killing Palpatine. Undoing that is incredibly cheap and lazy.
Not gonna say much about this one but having Luke do what he did was dumb, but the bigger issue was having him completely give up and isolate himself from everyone after making one mistake and just letting the Empire 2.0 rise to power.
But something I don’t see people talk about much is that the sequels ruined a great chance at having Anakin continue his redemption by having him converse with Kylo Ren and try to convince him why the dark side is the wrong choice. The decision to not have him at all in the sequel trilogy (especially when Kylo’s motivation was to follow in Darth Vader’s footsteps and “finish what he started”) is baffling.
Or even having him motivate Luke to get back into the fight. As much as I dislike what they did with Luke in the sequel movies, if they’re gonna go that route, it could’ve been such a cool reversal if they had Anakin’s force ghost be the one who convinced him to get back into it. And reminding Luke of the lessons he taught Anakin when he was Darth Vader. Plus seeing Hayden Christensen’s Anakin and Mark Hamill’s Luke talking with one another in a movie would’ve been legendary in of itself.
-Zach
that would have been Super Cool,your idea is better than the crap the 🐭actually produced 😢
Yes they are unredeemable
They need to reboot the sequels. They are the main reason that people aren’t as interested in Star Wars anymore
Honestly at this point who cares if they do the multiverse thing with Star Wars. All I want are good stories so let’s just ignore the Disney trilogy and make great stuff again
not only they rushed this half-assed trilogy, so that now star wars fans need to wait what 4-5 years for the next movie they can be more or less interested in? Talk about burying one of the most beloved franchises in a span of couple years
The only thing that can fix them is if they were non canon.
Ita too late for damage control and thats why Disney hasn't done anything to follow up o those movies.
Agreed, you can’t create any new satisfying stories after these and they ruin what came before. So just do the multiverse thing again, at this point the damage is done with the Disney canon
1 thing wouldve fixed it - plan the 3 movies ahead of time
I guess for them that was too much to ask.
Definitely think they needed one person with a vision to do so but I also think they needed to not go in with focusing on the new characters. The sequels actively destroy so many characters from the first 6 films and makes the mistake of not putting the main 3 characters together. By having the first order seem so big and powerful makes the ending of Return of Jedi and what are heroes did feel less. Like they did nothing to help the galaxy.
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Merrian Webster listen up
Creative inbreeding
Definition: To reuse past creativity or ideas within a franchise with the illusion that it’s new and innovative.
they need to make the old republic cannon and start a whole new movie series from there.
I would love if you made a video of how you would have made the sequel trilogy
I have some notes, but it's tough because it's mostly an entire re-write.
@@SeanChandlerPlus Do you at least have a scene with Han AND Leia AND Luke in the same room at the same time? That was something I found offensive about the sequels, that they never had that
@@adamkramer9080
So darn weird that they didn’t do that 😢
The only solution at this point is to erase them from canon.
I’ll erase the prequels from canon
Honestly at this point who cares if they do the multiverse thing with Star Wars. All I want are good stories so let’s just ignore the Disney trilogy and make great stuff again
Prequels are still canon
It’s George’s story and the majority of plot points are already established in the OT
If you don’t like the prequels however you don’t need to watch them to appreciate the OT
However making TFA a copy of A New Hope as a mere antidote to the sequels was the worst thing anyone could do: you disregard so much lore, disrespect the creator and by resetting the status quo you render the narrative of the OT, the portion of the saga everyone liked, meaningless
Looking at it from an outsiders perspective, handing the middle movie over to a different guy makes 0 sense. Especially reading what he wanted to do. Im sure Rian Johnson could have made an amazing Star Wars movie. But putting that as episode 8 Is baffling.
Didn’t they hand The Empire Strikes Back over to a different guy?
@@jdolan74Yeah, but George Lucas was still involved with it.
And Irvin Kershner didn't try to subvert the entire previous movie.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I don’t think Rian Johnson subverted The Force Awakens and JJ wasn’t ever supposed to direct the third film that just happened after Carrie passed and CT couldn’t crack the script. And technically Irvin and Harrison subverted Georgie with I KNOW haha.
I honestly think modern Star Wars should have been stories taking place in the world of Star Wars not a sequel trilogy it self….
Rogue One: one of my favorite Star Wars films ever. Great story and cast and didn’t rely heavily on the past. It just took a very important plot item mentioned in the original trilogy and showed a mission.
Solo: Is fine….not a necessary movie, but it’s fun to seen the crime centric aspects of Star Wars.
The Mandalorian: the first two seasons are great even though season 2 relied on cameos, but at least moments felt earned. I have a problem with the direction season 3 went as it’s just become a spin off for an animated series, shelving its wonderful new lead character. I think Din Djarin and should have stayed separated most of the season 3 and Boba Fett should have gotten the Werewolf by Night treatment (being an hour long special) instead of being Mandalorian season 2.5. All that being said I love the Mandalorian .
Andor: It brings something new to Star Wars and is an adult spy drama within the universe and it’s great!!
That’s what I like about Disney Star Wars…everything else has been fan-service with no purpose. I think Dave Filloni is trying to make a newer sequel series with everything taking place after the original trilogy and he’s trying very hard to be coherent (which I appreciate). Still I wish modern Star Wars should have been stand alone material and building newer franchises within the universe instead of creating a sequel trilogy with no vision.
We can throw Visions and Tales of The Jedi on here too, as they’re just stories took place in the universe. And agreed, it’s when I’ve enjoyed the franchise most as of late…
When you just lay out the overall idea for the prequels it sounds awesome and somehow the execution is so bad the movies are terribly boring
the best thing the 🐭 & KK can do is scrap the Rey:The Jedi Order film and produce an entry set in the Galaxy’s distant past or generations after the events of the Disney trilogy 🤔
Good advice something that Disney constantly ignores now
JJ and Rian were. like arguing kids fighting over toys in a toybox. Episode VIII let Luke down and Episode IX has possibly the worst screenplay in the whole franchise which is really saying something given how bad the one for Attack of the Clones . It plays like a Pirates of Caribbean movie especially with the stupid Sith Wayfinders.
why even fix the sequel trilogy why not just abandon this sequel trilogy and ignore this ever happened.
I do that everyday 😅
@@jwhowe i can agree with that
@@TevyaSmolka
Horrible idiotic thing to do
@@Sean-132 then what’s your solution
Honestly at this point who cares if they do the multiverse thing with Star Wars. All I want are good stories so let’s just ignore the Disney trilogy and make great stuff again
Here is what inspired the sequel trilogy, Terrence Malick, Twelve O'Clock High (1949), The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957), Gunga Din (1939), Three Outlaw Samurai (1964), Sahara (1943), and Letter Never Sent (1960),“Valley of Death”, painted in 1972 by Polish painter Zdzisław Beksiński, “Wanderer above the Sea of Fog” painted in 1818 with oil by Caspar David Friedrich, etc.
The idea that sequel trilogy wasn't inspired or influenced by anything outside of Star Wars is disingenuous.
Just start a new sequel trilogy with the right people behind it and have it start with Luke waking up from a fever dream and realize none of it really happened. Pull the old Bobby from “Dallas” storyline. 😂
Honestly at this point who cares if they do the multiverse thing with Star Wars. All I want are good stories so let’s just ignore the Disney trilogy and make great stuff again
I always thought the sequels being exactly how they are wouldve gone down better if they were Ep 10-12. Having a trilogy between them and the OT would've gave us more context for the threat of the first order, more insight into Ben's fall, seeing the OT gang together, Snoke having more time etc etc etc
This wouldnt absolve all of the issues of 7-9 but i still think it would've been recieved better
Now imagine if Disney had kept George Lucas and his scripts and good directors to create these 3 projects, I would think an happier fan base perhaps, but yeah I think Disney made a big mistake by excluding George.
Because at the time, the insufferable Star Wars fanbase treated George Lucas like he was the Antichrist.
I really disagree. The world of Star Wars is established enough to not need George anymore. It’s like a sandbox that any storyteller could play in and do a good job. And if we’re being honest Lucas has gotten way too much credit for his storytelling lately. The sequels never needed George, but they did need someone to tell a complete story.
@@king_supreme1102 I understand your point of view, but as you noted, they didn't do a good job, you have two directors who wanted to create their visions, it takes a conductor for Star Wars, letting any directors have their way gives the result we saw, a dismembered disaster with no real story, and to say that Lucas gets too much credit for his storytelling is a farce to say the least, he's the creator you can't be higher than that.
@@frankvinti925 I meant with the prequels. Everyone says “yeah awesome story but flawed execution” when actually the story is also really flawed. Lucas was on the decline at that point. And the sequels would’ve been fine if they kept the same director, or at least writer all the way through.
@@king_supreme1102 Well you are partly right but tell yourself that at least there was a story, perhaps not perfect of course but there was one at the base, Disney unfortunately skipped the base and improvised.
Legends is canon nuff said!
The expanded universe will always be the real canon
It’s a shame that Star Wars was forever ruined by Disney. I would have preferred if we just left it alone
After 10 years of this, I sadly agree. Even if we didn’t get any new movies, Star Wars was kept alive by the EU with great comics , books and video games
The sequels are garbage. They destroyed Luke Skywaker and hiw the hell does JJ NOT have at least one scene with Luke Leia and Han all in a scene together. NOT ONE. Now its to late. Also, with the Kenobi series coming out, they could of played Kenobi with a love interest like Sateen and have Rey be a granddaughter of Kenobi. Then have Ben solo who has skywaker blood and Rey having Kenobi blood battling the emperor (which was crap to do).
I think with some tweaks, the sequals could have been good. Have one director for all 3 films. You mostly can keep force awakens the same, can change some things like giving poe more character development and have Rey Finn and Poe meet in this one, don't "kill" phasma, and give more depth to the starkiller base destruction. In the last jedi, have more flashbacks to show Ben's fall and have Luke Han and Leai interact in during the flashbacks, in the present have luke be more optimistic and have a reason for him leaving aside from just giving up, dont make hux a joke and don't have the Canto bite sequence and don't kill phasma agian and have a rivalry with Finn, In rise of Skywalker don't have Palpatine just return to life in-between films. Maybe have kilo find a sith holocrone and kilo trying to learn from that only for it to be a minupualtion to be reincarnated, and have the end be kilo being redeem and him and Rey trying to stop Palpatinea reserection and have the final space battle be with hux as the leader of the first order after kilo is redeemed and poe killing him while destroying the first order and have Finn get the storm troopers to switch sides and then kill phasma. This is just a few things that they could have done to make it better. They wouldn't be perfect but I do think it would be alright
I have an idea on what you can change; Not making them at all. I love this change.
Vader is the heart of Star Wars and his story wrapped in Episode VI.
The Last Jedi had Rashomon and other Kurosawa inspirations in it, anyone can see the inspirations if they have seen his movies. Also, the prequels had old things in them, fan service and characters that we knew from the original trilogy.
Bringing palatine back was always going to be viewed at lest by myself as a creatively bankrupt decision, however, if executed correctly, could have been an a decent way to end the skywalker series. What they did however, is write a script that was worse than basic first year high school english paper!
i’m not sure where this was said, but originally luke was gonna be levitating some rocks around him, which would have been better, luke literally left a map to never be found, what sense does that make, sadly disney only made those movies as a cash grab
3:59 a sixty-something doesn't seem like a twenty-something?
Well color me surprised.
Intentionally over-simplifying and misrepresenting something isn't the best way to convince someone of your point.
Love your content and agree with everything you said, although TLJ ending without a lightsaber duel isn’t subversion for the sake of subversion. The fact that Luke defeats Kylo without even having to physically fight him is the first time in the franchise we actually see a Jedi fully live up to Yoda’s iconic “a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack” line. That’s something new and refreshing while building on the foundation that was laid before.
Kenobi was the finap straw for me concerning Star Wars. That was one of the flimsiest, clunky, and embarrassing Disney/SW productions they ever shot. It was punishing to watch at times and made me go "what were they thinking?"
I love the sequels personally(well I loved force awakens and like last Jedi) ROS felt like a fan film.
If there's ONE thing I could change in The Star Wars Sequel is have Rey use the darkside FAR more often than she was giving. In the first movie, she comes across the darkside and is warned by Leia to stay away from it. But then, later on in the first movie, Rey uses it to save Chewie-did it on purpose, and then she thinks, "Hey, I can use both the light and dark." And she then goes down this path where she's using both sides of the force but finds herself using the wvil more often because it's allowing her to find out clues to whete her parents are. In The Last Jedi, Rey is strlarting to show signs of using the darkside-gettint angry more ofetn, wanting to murder Kylo Ren because he murdered Han. She goes to Luke who isn’t in hiding but actually had crashed landed there and needed new supplies. Rey volunteers to go and then she lies to Luke about wanting to be taught more of the force while they find more supplpes to get off the island. Rey is lying because she found out there's a more powefuonaource if the darlside there and wants to access it to find the final piece of the puzzle to where her parents are.
As Rey is training, she starts to feel guilty about using the darkside but the forsce this time doesn’t come to her easily because it's teaching Rey to trust it more. When she does, she becomes more powerful but she lacks that patience. This is why she goes to the darkside because it's giving her the answers she wants NOW.
Rey finds the big source and attempts to find that source but Luke caches her and uses the force to push Rey away. He is angry and terrified at what she's done. Howeverz Rey, fulk if rage and Sith energy l, attacks Luke by sith lightening by accident. Rey, realizing what she's done, runs away and goes after Kylo herself to prove she isn’t becoming a monster.
Luke is severely injured and almost dies on thr spot had Rey not sent a distress call to Leia and notify her that Luke was severely injured. Rey wants to run away after Snoke told her that Rey knows why her parents won't come back: she killed them when she was a child because she used her sith power by accident because her parents were overbearing her. She had tried to hide the memory so badly because she didn’t want to come to that place of realization.
Disgraced and ashamed, Rey almost gets killed by Kylo Ren but Poe and Fimm come just in time to save her.
Rey.confesses to Liea what shr has done and ofders herself to be arrested for murder but Leia believee there can be good in her. Luke is in critical condition but Leia is healing him.
In the final episode l, Rey is trying tinrdi herself of the darkside but because she's been in it for so long, it's hard to get out. And the dakrside has gotten to her head whete she feels hopleless and paranoid.
That's all I got so far.
Luke basically. He was manipulated multiple times to fall to the dark side but didn’t. That was literally his arc.
@mugen9147 but with Luke, he never went as far as use its powers. He lost it when Darth Vader threatened to go after Leia and bring her to the darkside, but then snapped out of it when he realized he just turned into his father at that moment.
Since the day I saw them I realized Disneys trilogy were no sequels since all they did was damage the story that George Lucas created. Now I just ignore them like I do all fan fiction.
But that's what people didn't like about the last Jedi, it was totally destroying everything we loved about star wars. Storylines that made no sense at all. Force awakens was a rehash for a reason, they wanted to bring the fans of the original movies and bring new fans. It totally accomplished this, my son, wife and I loved it.
They are beyond broken & unfixable. I will never go see another Star Wars movie after they brought back The Emperor. So insulting to fans
I actually like these movies. Ik they have flaws but I got invested in them as a middle schooler. So I enjoy them a lot more than normal people
It’s essentially a remake
It’s fine if you enjoyed them
My problem however is with the original aim of the trilogy: it’s supposed to be a sequel and prove itself necessary for completing the narrative that is the Skywalker Saga
Instead it tells half of the story again with new characters filling in for old ones
Again, there’s obviously nothing wrong enjoying them but technically they miss their mark
SPOILERS: Just spitballing here, but I think they had some good stuff in the sequels. I liked Rey and Kylo Ren as echoes of Luke and Vader. I really liked Adam Driver's acting. The thing where they get twinned is really cool. The legacy characters should have been more prominent. Get them in the mix a bit more, although the scene at the end of Force Awakens with Luke was cool. Finn was great. Should have done some sort of storm trooper uprising with him, also played up his nemesis more, I forget her name. She was cool in the first one. The little seer character was cool too, forget her name too. The scene where Han Solo was killed was amazing. In general, the whole series looked incredible. The First Order was dumb. Explore new ideas. Maybe civil war in a fragmented system. Maybe the common people are worse off than they were under the Empire, try to make that right. No Palpatine of course. Even Snope was too similar to Palpatine. A new big bad of some kind. Oh, BB-8 was great. What to do with the arcs exactly? Not totally sure, something about imbalance, the light being too strong now. Again, the dynamic between Kylo and Rey would be crucial. Some sort of inversion of the corruption arc from the original trilogy. Continuing the core themes of course. Luke is a big question. Maybe he's like the Yoda figure now, but feels like he doesn't have all the answers. Keep his nobility of spirit. I'll drop it there, just some quick takes. Coulda had potential, though.
I think the ideas set up by The Force Awakens were kind of interesting, but when you just introduce ideas and expect that you'll figure it out as you go along, that's not the way to go, especially with a franchise as beloved as Star Wars. I love The Force Awakens, regardless of how the rest of the trilogy played out, but it was definitely a strange way to continue the franchise. It's very similar to A New Hope in the story and they absolutely should've done something new and different.
For me, I think my one change would be replacing Rise Of Skywalker with Dual Of The Fates. It's a big change and obviously doesn't fix everything, but I think Dual Of The Fates ties the trilogy together the best it can despite the fractured visions, and that would have been more commendable then kinda giving up and making Rise Of Skywalker to appeal to people who didn't like The Last Jedi. That's just my take. But yeah, pretty difficult to fix everything unless you go back to the VERY beginning of their development.
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This is the exact same way that I see it - the Prequels had some great big-picture ideas, but there were lots of issues with the execution of the movies. The Sequels didn't have a big-picture idea, but they handled a lot of the typical execution aspects of blockbuster movies well enough. Both trilogies are failures in my eyes, but for basically the complete opposite reasons.
6:00 this is why I don’t think it’s Rian Johnson’s fault for the trilogy, I felt like he’s screwed over, because they didn’t have a plan, JJ just passed the baton to pussy out and gamble to see if Rian Johnson can do it. Rian’s cool. JJ, Kathleen and the rest of the studio are to blame, especially because there was so much potential for a solid trilogy. George Lucas was interested in them using his script ideas, but instead, they scrapped them out and decided to just rehash what we’ve seen before. It’s all right there!🤦♂️
I think there was plenty to do between Rey, Kylo, Finn and Poe but...yeh...execution (?) wasnt..ugh..and I do like these films, dont get me wrong. They are fun to watch from time to time....kinda. ^^'
The sequel trilogy is definitely Ben's story. And Rey as his oppositr works but not as a Palpatine. I remember coming out of Ep 7 kinda wishing Rey turns to the Dark Side in the next film, especially since Finn kinda had potential to be a Force user (which the Lego movies did well actually) and, I dont know, he could help her eventually?
I dont know. >_< Damn..now I am thinking how they waster Finn. xD
I know this might sound like a stupid question, but as someone who has makes RUclips videos for a living. How do you not constantly run out of storage? Like, I’ve been trying to do movie reviews for the past year or two and I’m almost consistently running out of storage. You, and obviously many other people consistently make content. How do people not run out of storage?
I’ll always argue with the Luke Skywalker scene. Yes it’s fan service but it also just makes sense because yeah of course Luke would feel baby yoda through the force. He’s literally the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at the time
That’s what makes Star Wars fun
The Jurassic World movies i would argue are even worse. They had worse planning. Despite the fact that they all had the same writer?!
Uhh andor had stuff we had seen don’t get me wrong andor is arguably the best Star Wars ever There are issues with the sequel trilogy but the reason there bad is because people have expectations and when someone writes or creates something different people bash it credit them for doing something different and trying yes they had no plan that’s a valid point but there not as bad as people say
The prequels were able to be molded and expanded on. Had way more creativity and passion. The sequels can’t or it will just make it more lame and feel like they’re trying to justify every bad choice they made
Everything that is added to make the prequels is great, the clone wars as an example. Any time they release a book/comic to explain the Disney trilogy always makes it worse.
Sequels never had a story planned at all and mistreated ot characters
Prequels were horrible as well but ar least they had a story planned and clone wars made them better
And I'll never forget how horribly luke was treated in ep 8
Sequels should be de-canonized
Prequels were bad but they didn't ruin the ot
Just ignore the sequels and learn from the setbacks
I have a hot take. Someday, the sequels will have a better reputation than the prequels. I know that’s gonna ruffle some feathers. But they’re simply better made movies. It’s hard to see TROS ever getting much love. But I can totally see TFA and TLJ being loved in the future (similar to how everyone used to hate the prequels and now they’re cool). TFA was already a crowd pleaser when it released, which most people tend to forget. And as much as I don’t like some choices TLJ made I can see people really liking it in the future.
Except that the new-found popularity of the Prequels are mostly due to the kids who grew up on them coming of age and the plethora of memes that came out of it.
How many kids are going to wax nostalgic about TLJ?
@@Lobsterwithinternet that’s a fair point and I do agree with what you said about the prequels (which is rare these days). I just think with more time removed that people with view them through a new lens. I mean TFA was already liked at one point. I think people will like it in the future. TLJ was divisive but the ones who were fans are definitely passionate and I just think people will be less bothered with its story in the future. It seemed impossible for the prequels to ever become popular at a certain point. So anything is possible for the sequels, especially considering that they’re legitimately better movies. Once it becomes hip to like the sequels, it will snowball into a full blown movement.
@@king_supreme1102 I can see that.
As one of those people who liked TFA when it came out and understood why it was echoing ANH, it was mostly because it was evidence that someone other than George Lucas could make a Star Wars movie. A lot of those people who hated it at first were either George Lucas cultists who should have hated it just because George didn't sign off on it, EU fanboys who were angry that the EU wasn't any part of canon (even though George Lucas himself said that the EU was more like Fanfiction that had no bearing on his movies) and took it out on TFA and subsequently TLJ, or they were EU fanboys who were angry that the Sequel Trilogy wasn't going to be a direct film adaptation of the EU books.
As for TLJ, I think it’ll be much more difficult for a true redemption to take place since TLJ almost acts as a deconstruction and refutation of Star Wars itself and comes across as an outsider of the fanbase coming in and effectively trolling them by calling everything they care about as stupid and irrelevant.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Also good points. It’s funny to me how TFA gets lumped in with the rest of the sequel hate even though it had people hyped asf for the trilogy. Star Wars hype peaked when TLJ trailers dropped. And it’s been fumbling around ever since.
@@king_supreme1102 As someone who’s a part of that group, that was because we were willing to forgive the small things and JJ Abrams's mystery boxes if the next movie was going to at least provide a satisfactory answer to them and propel the plot forward.
Sadly, TLJ came out and basically ruined whatever goodwill and grace they had toward TFA and the Sequel Trilogy as a whole.
I was inspired to write a treatment for episode 9 after episode 8 came out that fixes most of the issues while building up both Kylo Ren and Rey’s character arcs. It also serves to bring The Old Republic period into canon, which I always thought was the way the property should have gone after the ending of this trilogy.
Yeah bullshit, everyone said the same exact thing about the prequels.
No they didn’t. The prequels were heavily criticized BUT in a very different way. Suggesting the prequels and sequels were had the same discourse is revisionist history and simply odd.
The simple fact Lucas wrote & directed the prequels as the all powerful influence at Lucasfilm inherently meant there was a different discussion from the sequel era.
People always saw Lucas as a big picture guy but not necessarily the best screenwriter or director. Hence why Empire is widely regarded as the best film.
My criticism of the sequels is the lack of big picture vision…not individual screenwriting pro directorial talent. 🤷🏻♀️
Hehe Creative Inbreeding is such a fantastic term
The Last Jedi is the only good Star Wars film.
If you don't like Star Wars this seems like an odd video to watch and have an opinion on.
They are good and enjoyable and don't need "fixed"
The prequels have a much more disjointed story AND set of characters than the sequels. I honestly don’t understand why we’re pretending like the prequels are better when they’re just fake movies with lightsaber fights that turn your brain off.
@@Voltar I’ll shut up about the prequels once everyone understands that George Lucas made the prequels to sell toys, not to create a story. Not to mention that he wasn’t given any guidance when he was making the prequels unlike when people would tell him about his strange writing decisions during the originals. Everyone during the prequels let George Lucas do what he wanted, and it was horrible. Shitty dialogue, shitty characters, shitty plot lines, shitty story, shitty cgi, and too much more to cover. I’m starting to think that you’re the one that hasn’t looked up any of the facts.
So before you start barking without biting, if you don’t agree with my opinion, keep your opinion to yourself and leave me alone.
Can't believe you are defending Rian Johnson, dude was horrible. Lame defense dude.
He's definitely a bad pick for Star Wars. But like Sean said he had potential to give us something if he's directing all 3 movies, not continuing somebody's cliffhanger.
His other movies are awesome Knives Out, Looper, Glass Onion and his Breaking Bad's episode Ozymandias is a masterpiece
They need more wokeness ! Not progressive enough
I unsubscribed a couple years ago, I thought this channel was fun at first but it got progressively more and more annoying. Turns out I was right
Nobody cares
Fake fans. Sequels rule!!!
Your a fake person if you pretend to like every single body or every single thing
The prequels were fine. The last Trilogy had no romance story.