Will Hollywood Learn From 2023's Flops?
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2024
- Will Hollywood Learn From 2023's Flops?
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With Marvel, I hope they stop giving characters no one cares for $200 million budgets. If they’re not willing to write them in a way that makes the audience care for them, what’s the point? That money is just being wasted. James Gunn cared for his characters and it shows with Volume 3.
Also, they should release less movie in a single year (1-2 movie per year) and I know that in this year there's only a single movie (Deadpool 3) but in next year (2025) there are 4 movies (Captain America Brave New World, Fantastic 4, Thunderbolt and Blade) which seems like they not learning from last year and it might result being worse than 2023...
@@paakdisayaniyom Genius, obviously one of those movies in 2025 is most likely gonna get delayed and it’s probably Fantastic 4. Filming for that is scheduled to be in August or September of this year and there’s no way it’s going to meet its May release date
@@paakdisayaniyom Also, 1-2 films a year? No! 3 movies a year is the right strategy. Like, one in the beginning of the year, one in the summertime and another in the Fall isn’t bad. They’ve been doing that since 2017 and it has worked for them just fine so I don’t understand why change that.
@@KingArthur973 I feel like with current state of MCU, less movie per year makes it feel more special (and to avoid oversaturation too)
My idea for this is 2 solo movies or 1 big event/superhero team movie (such as X-Men or Fantastic 4) per year (kinda similar to what they've done during Phase 1-2 run)
Update : because in the end, since Phase 4 begun it proves that quality is more important than quantity...
Agreed. Just look at the first two Antman films, the first one had like $70 million budget and the second had like $120 million budget. They were so profitable even if they only made 500 million. They need to do that with some of the shows and what not
What do I hope they learn? That just because a movie costs $200,000,000 and is tied to an IP doesn’t equal box office success anymore. General audiences need quite a bit more than what they’ve been delivered before. That’s what will be awesome if they learned. But will they learn from the past year’s successes and failures? I’d be quite surprised if they do. As time has gone on, Hollywood executives have gotten their finger on the pulse of audiences less and less. They see the most superficial piece of what made something successful, when in reality, that was never the piece that worked. It’s always something that’s not insanely obvious. So unfortunately, I don’t think too many of the actual lessons of 2023’s box office will be followed up on.
Do u have a Letterboxd account?
@@evan9902 I do. I have it to track my movies, make lists, have a watchlist, and see where other big film fans fall on films throughout the course of cinema. Whenever I make RUclips videos I’ll put it in the description for people to check it out. I don’t know when I’ll be able to make RUclips videos though.
@@MichaelTomsyck gotcha. I would follow u on Letterboxd because u and I seem to share a lot of opinions and have similar viewpoints. I searched for ur name on Letterboxd and I didn’t see it
I feel like Indiana Jones 5 being a flop was partly due to marketing, there was like no excitement for it. Yes it's a long overdue sequel to a 1980s franchise but Indy 4 didn't face this problem despite having to deal with "can Harrison Ford even play Indy again? He's pretty old now"
Why? Because they pushed extra hard on the merchandising & marketing towards kids, and I say that as a 2000s kid.
Star Wars was fresh in everyone's mind because of the Prequels, so there was a push to remind people that this was from the same studio. "Do you like Star Wars? Then you might like this cowboy-looking guy played by Han Solo!"
New waves of toys to celebrate the DVD releases of the first 3 movies as a new generation was watching them for the first time. Tons of Lego sets along with two video games that retold the stories in a more kid-friendly way. Halloween costumes, Brown Fedoras and even toy whips so you could pretend you were kicking butt the same way Indy did.
Indiana Jones was back!
This last one though? It was just some movie. "This old franchise is getting one more movie. Go watch it please." I don't think any new merchandise came out for it, certainly not towards younger audiences so it basically only marketed to older, pre-existing fans. Sure that's not always a bad thing but this was Indiana Jones! A massively popular IP but hasn't had anything new in over a decade. It'd be like if The Force Awakens had no merchandise and was just trailers and a couple of interviews saying "hey we made a new Star Wars movie" the movie was a big deal because the studio made it a big deal. Yes us fans were excited but partly because there was new stuff everywhere. Everywhere you went there was some kind of reminder that "yes, we are getting a new Star Wars movie!"
Am I saying that Indiana Jones 5 could've been huge like the other movies, absolutely not but there could've been way more people talking about it. It could've and should've been a big deal.
Mission Impossible: :Dead Reckoning Part 1 didn't reallly deserve to flop.
I’m not sure about the flops but Hollywood should learn not to spend too much money on making movies.
Yep. Disney seems to be worst repeat offender
@@SeanChandlerPlus It’s crazy it’s not just movies but there tv shows also.
I don't think Mission Impossible deserved to bomb
Tom Cruise is the goat
It’s just crazy to me how Disney spent over billions and billions of dollars and only came in second in 2023 in box office revenue. It’s even worse though because they only made $4.9 billion in total revenue but spend over $10 billion in budgets and markets for all their films.
I know the sonic movies weren't last year but I just wanted to mention that both movies had lots of CGI visuals that looks top notch and the budget for the first one was 85 - 90 million and the second movie only cost about 15 million more. I expected the budget to be alot more than that cos most movies these days are
Hollywood is still succumbing to their greediness, stupidity and ignorance. I don’t think Hollywood will ever learn from their mistakes and failures they made recently especially from last year. But if there hope, it will be surprising out of nowhere. There were few fantastic 2023 movies that draw exciting attention from the audiences such as “The Super Mario Bros. Movie”, “Barbie”, “Spiderman: Across the Spiderverse”, “Oppenheimer” and “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem”.
Here’s some ways Hollywood can learn from these movies:
• A hit movie even a summer blockbuster can be smartly written
• Stand connected to the original source material (e.g. books, games, real-life events)
• Don’t rely on past-their-prime franchises
• A great soundtrack is effective marketing
• Stop saving the good stuff for the sequel
Also Hollywood can learn lessons from Netflix’s “One Piece” Live-Action series as well!
This year is gonna be very interesting.
Hopefully. You can only lose so much money before you have to admit you need to make some changes and run a tighter ship. Hire more passionate capable writers, listen to your audience, they’re the ones giving you money! But by then, it might be too late. Although, in some cases the pandemic played a part, and in the case of Mission Impossible, it can also be learning to pick a more suitable weekend where you can truly shine and get the most attention. Exhibit A and B: Godzilla Minus One and The Boy and The Heron. Weekends all to themselves.
Honestly Paramount choose the worst release dates for their big movies, if I was Paramount I would release Dungeons And Dragons in late 2022 or February 2023, Transformers should’ve released in September or October, Dead Reckoning in either September or November and TMNT Mutant Mayhem in December.
Makes sense. Over spending leads to more failures. Hollywood studios need to stop over spending on their budgets for movies. It's not necessary.
I will defs take this advice when i make my own movies
I feel like the Monsterverse and the Sonic movies do a good job at controlling their budgets, those are effects heavy movies and they coast less the $200m (less than $100 for Sonic) yet still look top notch in terms of CGI although Godzilla X Kong is reportedly going to have a $200m budget which is concerning.
I personally think The Marvels would have been financially successful if there was no actor’s strike but that doesn’t refute any of your points. To me it feels like even the people who would normally celebrate the movie being such a big flop moved on fast.
2023 was a awful year for movies in terms of Box Office
You really won't see a change in the industry for at least a year, maybe two. They have already invested money in a lot of these, and unless the studio making the movie is Max they will at least through together a half-assed CGI job and through it on streaming. Probably mid to late 2025 is when we see a change in the cost of movies
You mean WB, not Max
LEARN??? They made movies during a pandemic which tripled production budgets. And then released those movies into a post-pandemic movie going world. Let's assume the next pandemic is in 100 years, so I guess: yes, I hope those future people handle it better than we did.
They greenlit movies before a global pandemic changed their business entirely... why didn't those foolish execs look into the future and plan better!
Hey Sean, I’m going to keep commenting this until I get a response, but I don’t wanna come off as spamming or anything but I just generally really would like to see a video on this. And that’s a ranking of every MCU hero now that the Marvel Netflix shows are Cannon. So that would now include iron fist, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, the punisher and Luke cage. I would just like to see you do a video on that.
Take me back to older times when the focus was less on big budgets and CGI and more on the basics of what makes a great movie: script, director, and cast. It’s why I love old movies they may be simple but they focused on what makes movies great and classics. Now everyone just focuses on let’s makes one billion dollars. News flash: if your movie sucks it’s not going to make money. If it is good then you will make money
No one can know for sure until 2026. After the 2023 strike, people start writing new movies and television shows in late 2023 and 2024. Then they film it in 2024 and early 2025, do post-production in the rest of 2025 if there are a lot of visual effects and re-shoots to be done, and then have a set premiere date for the completed film in 2026.
I went to LA in October, I went to Disneyland and Universal.
Short answer is no. Long answer is I wish they would be I honestly don't think they will learn.
They will have to learn if they want to make money
@@Robalexe totally correct. I do think covid inflated the costs of these movies BUT you cannot excuse $300+ million on an Indiana Jones movie haha! And Fast X. And The Marvels. And Mission Impossible.
3:49 Did Sean forgot that "indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull" were a huge hit at box office?
That was directed by Steven Spielberg and people expected it to be like the original 3 crystal skull was so hated most people didn’t even want another Indiana Jones movies and Harrison is so old and kept getting injured there was no real hype for that movie
I don’t think he forgot that indiana jones 4 was a box office hit. But the reason it was a hit was it closed off the franchise for the original fans from 80s (not in a great way it was bad). It didn’t create any new excitement for the brand it actually did the opposite it was over and people moved on.
Flash forward 15 years and now they are making another one with an 80 year old actor and a 300 million dollar budget!!!!! Not a great plan.
1) No I did not
2) That was 15 years ago. Crystal Skull was the movie which made people really go, "Harrison Ford is getting older." Ford has almost exclusively played OLD MEN since Crystal Skull because he has been an old man.
3) Crystal Skull benefited from the good will of the original trilogy. We finally had another Indiana Jones and everyone wanted to see it.
4) Dial of Destiny was hurt by the disappointment of Crystal Skull.
@@SeanChandlerPlusand the disappointment of dial of destiny hurt me😂
By lowering budgets
i would actually have liked to see a feature film directed by sean chandler. I know i would watch it! (^-^)=6
Someday!
Well I mean….what exactly is the “Problem” with Hollywood here?
Spending too much on mediocre scripts and IP in decline
@@SeanChandlerPlus
But not *everything* in the world of IP is on a decline, Mission Impossible, John Wick, Planet Of The Apes, Godzilla etc. are all still going strong, just because some comic book movies flopped it doesn’t mean that the entire world of existing IP is officially crumbling to the ground
@@benm5970 Dead Reckoning didn't break even by the 2.5×production budget rule
@@Robalexe
I thought you were talking about quality
@@benm5970 The video talks about box office flops, not necessarily mediocre movies per se. Sean mentioned in the video Dead Reckoning as a movie that should not have anywhere near $300mil budget
I was so disappointed with The Marvels. I was one of the few people that thought it had a chance of working. I thought the power swap was a cool way to nerf a god and have her bond with characters I was genuinely excited to see again. The movie was very meh, not boring meh like Thor: The Dark World, but just meh. Monica had not personality, Brie Larson did Brie Larson things, and Ms.
Marvel carried the movie on her back. Just a bad plot with a lame villain. I wish we had got more of the supreme intelligence and how its demise was felt across the planet. I think if we had the characters on Hala for most of the film, it would’ve created a more centralized and distinguishable tone. It reminds me of nothing and nothing reminds me of it so that’s where I stand on it. Secret Invasion was arguably worse tho
Its not just about how much money the studios spend. There are other factors
How about they stop releasing brain eating garbage for a change.
Probably not this year.
Things this year I’m looking more forward to than movies
You can talk about a number of things but the main one for these big studios is to stop being so dam lazy!!!
Same goes for these 6 episode tv shows. Most of it feels written by AI.
If they do, it will likely take a few years to see its effect and see the pendulum shift.
You say this, but the slope had already been heading downwards for a year or two so 2023 was just a crescendo rather than a sudden dip. I think Hollywood is already trying to course-correct and that's why so many things were being delayed even before the strike(s)
It wasnt covid complications it was government complications
*Deadpool* *3*
I’m a little lukewarm with Deadpool 3 over most of you. Remember the anticipation we had for Multiverse of Madness? Just because you highly anticipate for a movie doesn’t mean it will be a great movie. Your expectations can be too high that the movie itself can never reach it.
The Phantom Menace, The Last Jedi, Age of Ultron, and Multiverse of Madness were all highly anticipated movies only to disappoint many fans. Same with The Dark Knight Rises which was good, but not as fun as The Avengers or as good as the 2008 film. Let’s toss in Game of Thrones Season 8 being the worst offender for highly anticipated content. That was a trainwreck.
I don’t even understand all the hoopla for Deadpool 3? I don’t recall that many people excited for Deadpool 1 and 2. Is it because Fox is now part of Disney that you’re getting excited for it? I thought you all hate Disney but you keep coming back for more like the mindless zombies who line up for the next iPhone back in the day.
No matter all that whining about how you want to be out on MCU and want Disney to fail, you still keep coming back for more. MCU made three movies about multiverse and only No Way Home was pretty good and it still didn’t come from Disney. Multiverse of Madness and Quantumania were disappointments.
I watched most of the X-Men films and I don’t remember the level of hype for them as much as Deadpool 3. Is it because Deadpool is part of MCU? Deadpool 2 came out only two years after Deadpool 1. We got Brolin as Cable which was perfect casting and only because Clint Eastwood got way too old as a dead ringer for Cable. We got Reynolds as Juggernaut. Yet, I don’t remember the anticipation for that sequel. And most people felt it was a little worse than the 2016 film. Deadpool 2 was almost forgotten quickly after it came out.
I’m not trying to ruin anybody’s parade but I don’t get the hype for Deadpool 3 knowing how badly MCU Phase 5 has turned out. Sean Chandler ranked all 7 of the Phase 5 projects and only Loki and GotG3 stood out. The rest has been trash and completely forgettable. Secret Invasion? Echo? Quantumania? The Marvels? Not one movie is going to save MCU and Deadpool 3 won’t save it.
I’m actually a little concerned we haven’t gotten a trailer yet. Infinity War came out in April 2018. A teaser already dropped by Nov 2017. Why the long wait when the film drops in May? Production issues? Creative differences? You can hype this shit up to the moon, there’s still no guarantee this film will ever live up to your anticipation and expectations. It’s The Last Jedi all over again before SW fans started to shit on Kathleen Kennedy and Daisy’s Rey character.
My favorite movie of 2022 is Elvis and my favorite movie of 2023 is Air. I had no expectations or anticipation for either of them. I wasn’t even aware of Air until I saw a Super Bowl commercial for it last year. Sometimes your favorite movie comes out of nowhere where you don’t expect a damn thing from it. Heck, I didn’t even have high expectations for Top Gun: Maverick when I saw the trailer in 2020 and it was better than what it needed to be and what we expected it to be similar to Cobra Kai.
I’m more excited with what Warner Bros. is offering in 2024. We got House of the Dragon Season 2, Dune: Part II, Joker 2, Godzilla x Kong, Furiosa, Alto Knights, and Beetlejuice 2. Surprisingly, WatchMojo did a fan poll and Beetlejuice 2 is the third most anticipated film of 2024 behind Deadpool 3 and Dune 2. I don’t want to get my hopes up for Deadpool 3 knowing the sludge Disney has been bringing out lately for MCU.
Deadpool 3 could be similar to Deadpool 2. Just tons of dick jokes from Ryan Reynolds’ usual schtick. That was the thing when Deadpool 2 came out. Too many dick jokes. I remember the reviews and that was the thing being pointed out. Ryan’s humor is a mixture of Jim Carrey, Dane Cook, Seth Rogen/Jonah Hill’s Superbad, and Seth McFarlane’s Ted and sprinkle some Stifler from American Pie.
Deadpool 3 might be good but I have doubts it will be great. Just more of the same with another ridiculous multiverse angle that No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and Quantumania all had. How different was Naked Gun 33 1/3 to the first two? Or how about Austin Powers: Goldmember and Rush Hour 3 against the previous two? Just more of the same. I don’t expect to be emotionally engaged. It serves only as a setup for Secret Wars.
Nope not even close
Nope.
Nope. These studios will just continue pushing this failing narrative