There are other variables that weigh into determining if volume shifted boards are the way to go, like the rider weight/height/boot combo. So I'm 6'4" 170 sz.12 boot, Its a weird combo since my height and boot size match up to big boards(like 167+) but my weight cant handle them. I've found volume shifted boards in the 157 range, medium flex and a minimum of 27.5 waist to be the most fun. I can really throw them around, lay them over, feel the intended flex pattern & I still have enough toe/heel leverage to have fun in the trees. If people want to get really technical they can print off "Donek's board angulation guide". Cut it to, say 70 degrees, strap your back foot boot in your bindings on your board, weight down the camber & put that angle up to the edge of your board. If your toe & heel aren't even close to that 70 degree edge then your'e going to have work a lot harder to get your board on edge. For me the ideal spot is about flush to 2-3mm from touching the angle edge. It's the perfect balance to be able to carve deep and still have nimble board control. Also a great way to perfectly center your boot on board.
Size 13 foot here so I'm bound by volume shifted boards more or less. I'm gonna test a bunch of boards at my indoor slope for a new board upcoming season. Currently my short list is the Salomon Dancehaul, Yes Warca, Jones Frontier Wide and Lib Tech Orca. I don't venture in the park except for the small to medium jump line. I like doing side country and trees if they're available (the Alps barely have any). I have a Korua Tranny Finder 157 but that board is too stiff for what I like.
Size 13 foot definitely would need minimum 265mm and up waist width. I would still steer clear of anything past about 270-272mm. Yes, volume shifted boards will definitely be more suitable for your feet waist width wise, but they still have their downfalls. Way less stable at high speeds that includes any high speed pow riding. Just something to think about. A more traditional board shape will always be my pick over any volume shifted board, especially for trees. Also be aware that what may feel good on an indoor setting may not translate into real resort riding. I'd be happy to help with any other suggestions board wise if you're open to other traditional shape boards. Wide versions of course.
@@DREWFUSSMAC 182 lbs, but looking to climb to at least 190. I'm a solid intermediate rider. I can do any groomed terrain without much trouble but I'm not that good at backside 180's, 360's, etc. yet. What I love most is getting into the terrain next to the slopes, whether that is an open bowl, more technical terrain or trees, all not too steep though. The Alps barely have trees though so it's not even 10% of my riding. I made the mistake of buying a Korua Tranny Finder 157 as I thought I was good enough for a board like that. I can handle it fine but I don't like how stiff and bulky it feels. It feels like a lot of board for me, and I think it's mainly because of the flex. I like to to butters on easier terrain and the TF was too hard to butter properly for me, especially the tail. I rode a Salomon Assassin 158W (26.3 cm) before which I liked but I sold it for the TF.
@@EssenceOfTrance sounds about right on the Tranny Finder. Korua definitely have some beef to them. Great for carving and pow, but definitely understand that some days they can feel a little bulky. You should totally buy that Assassin if you liked it. My buddy has a Nitro Santoku and he let me ride it. Definitely a sick little twin camber board that can handle groomers as well as pow. Definitely super playful in the tip and tail for butters as well. Honestly since you have the T.F if you wanted to carve or just kind of stick to groomers that would be a good choice. For a little more playful riding, park, pow, trees you should really take a look at the Bataleon Goliath. It's a directional twin that will kill it in pow, kill it in trees, and maintain a playful flex, all while being a decent groomer board. I think they offer wide versions of it as well. If not, I think the Bataleon Stallion is the one that is made for wide feet. May be something you might want to look into!
I'm going in the trees searching for powder. My Volume shifted deck (Slush Slasher) is good in powder and good in trees. Can't speak to other volume shifted boards, but mine is a very versatile deck.
Never rode a slush slasher, but I know they have to rip. One of my favorite RUclipsrs Iheartbraden shreds a slush slasher in tight ass trees at Breckenridge. He shreds that thing like crazy so it has to be a good board. 👍
I couldn’t agree with you more about the volume shifted boards not performing in the trees or moguls. I’m struggling to figure out what to pair with my party wave plus for noodling in the trees and moguls. I’m guessing that more rocker dominant or loose boards are more ideal for tight technical riding but what do you think? I watched a guy swivel through moguls on a mind expander which I thought was surprising but it made me rethink my logic on board shapes.
My favorite tree boards in my quiver are the #1 Bataleon One, #2 Arbor Coda Rocker My Bataleon One is pretty much a directional Bataleon Magic Carpet profile wise. They don't make it anymore, but the Thunder, Thunder Bolt, and Omni are the One's current equivalent offered with slightly different flex. With the 3BT on Bataleon it makes them so good in technical riding because some of the 3BT profiles that riders say don't grip well on groomers and hardpack actually work wonders in trees, moguls, and pow. The difference in edge hold between my Bataleon Camel Two and The One is night and day. The One grips fairy well, but definitely super loose compared to the C.2. The 3BT on the One is just so smooth and catch free in the trees, and moguls because the contact point are lifted pretty high. It has all the power you need though to make hard stops or speed checks if you had to without feeling super washy. The flex helps like crazy too, or mine is just so broken in from all its use. It's a 162cm and that is my go to tree board no matter what amount of snow is in there. Let that sink in. All for the most part has the power of camber with the looseness of a Rocker board or hybrid shape. My Arbor Coda 158cm Rocker has similar tech in it. Arbor uses what they call Parabolic Rocker. It's a Rocker board that actually grips fairly well on groomers. It also has uprise fenders right at the traditional contact points of the board which makes it just slightly more forgiving at the tip and tail. Arbor also does something super cool which is they have these extra contact points directly under feet (toe&heel) called grip-tech. It allows you to steer the board very rapidly directly underfoot. Combined with a less aggressive torsional flex and you have a board that floats like a Rocker, gives you pretty damn good edge hold plus crazy precise, but also is very forgiving and flows like butter in the trees. The sidecut on my Arbor really helps with sharp quick turns in trees as well. I would definitely steer clear of anything that has magne-traction because it's just a little too much grip for hardpack trees, but I have had ok times on loose hybrid shaped Lib Techs with the right profile and flex. The Magne-trac is just not needed on moguls or trees. The Mind Expander performs well in moguls and trees because of a few reasons. It's basically a Rocker profile race board behind that huge nose. The slim waist width and Rocker profile give you amazing performance in technical terrain. It doesn't get bucked around like a volume shifted would. It actually thrives in that sort of terrain and only gets better in pow. They have also added 3d shaping in Jones boards now called Spoontech. Very similar tech to both Arbor and Bataleon. That nose on the M.E is basically not even touching the run unless it's in pow. Tree and mogul boards to me need to scream controlled chaos. Something that can be loose when you want it, and in control when you need it. I have found that perfect waist width for your specific boot size is key. Then followed by advanced tech like 3BT, Parabolic Rocker, or Spoontech are the cherries on top. Hope that helps dude!👍
My experience is different regarding tree runs in the forests in deep pow. I have tried several volume shifted boards and none of them are good (to me) as all mountain boards, but they performed really well in the forest, because due to their short length they are more agile but float amazingly well, no tomahawk risk and you can ride more relaxed and with your weight centered, even when the board is a volume shifted twin and your stance is totally centered. I love these boards for deep pow, being my favorites the Arbor Terrapin and the K2 Cool Bean (although mine is a split bean). But I definitely wouldn't recommend them as do it all boards, not even the twin ones. But, we all are different and maybe if you are reading this, and if you have the chance to try twin VS boards, go ahead, maybe you like them as all mountain boards. I tried the Jones Mind Expander twin and the Capita Powder twin and I didn't like them for piste, so I didn't even go to the park. But, again, we all are different and to me, VS is a great concept, especially if you can ride deep pow every season and are a several boards guy like me. Also, I agree that most of VS boards are just short wide boards, but others aren't, because they are slightly wider than a normal board but not enough to be wide. Like the old Never Summer Funslinger. I am 176 cm, 77 kg, and I have got a 153, and is one of my favorite boards of all time, even though is very soft. Its width in 153, is perfect for my 9 size feet. In their specs, when I bought it, they said that it was slightly VS.
I'm not much of true twin guy. I don't shred park and ride switch well enough on most of my directional twins, and freeride boards when needed. I did however scoop up a Yes 20/20 powderhaul. It's a true twin powder board and has a 263mm waist. Not crazy wide by any means and will hopefully work well with my size 10 boots. I think my personal max preference for non sluggish response is about 265-268mm max. That's pushing it really at 268mm for me. I just don't have any problems with agility in any terrain on most of my favorite boards. Which range from 157-162cm. My favorite tree board is a 162cm Bataleon One. Going smaller just never was my thing because I never saw the need. I ride pretty aggressive and going smaller just screamed less edge hold, less stability, and less powder float. I honestly gave volume shifted boards a serious shot. My favorite of the bunch was my Niche Pyre 155cm. I had some good times on that board, but technical riding is a true passion of mine. So that extra width just doesn't help me personally. The Arbor Terrapin is sick and I have always had my eye on it because I love Guch! Especially the first edition I think with the Rasta color scheme. That is a sick ass board! Almost snagged one last season but the dude sold it. I keep my 2020 Bryan Iguchi Pro in mint condition simply because Guch is one of my favorite riders and I love that board.🤘
Thanks for the video! I really messed up & got a Trice Pro standard, not wide. With my 13s it just wouldn’t work. The only wide the shop had was the Ride Twin Pug 56W. Well I made the swap & got a good credit. Unfortunately after riding Big Snow early it was really slow & didn’t have much personality, however I’m wondering if somehow the indoor snows slower? I’m at a loss because I know I paid for a board that wasn’t what I wanted. I just hope it lives up to 1/2 the reviews. Still debating tossing it on CL or Marketplace & going for what I want. After 30+ years of riding I’m debating on keeping it, stfu & learning my lesson, & actually purchasing what I want for next season.
So a few things might be going on here. The TwinPig comes with a sintered4000 base. Not a bad base by any means, but on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to sintered. Should be plenty fast though, especially with that stone ground finish that Ride applies to its boards straight from the factory. With Big Snow being man made snow, as well as them I'm assuming keeping the snow at a spring like condition for general riding, it may feel slow in those types of conditions. From what I can gather when I watch Big Snow vids, the snow doesn't look mega firm. That could be one possibility. One way to test this is if you had another board, try applying a thin coat of wax on your board and do not scrape it. Like literally coat the base with the most minimal amount of wax and then don't scrape it. Take it to Big Snow and see if that helps. If it does, then it's most likely the snow. Make a friend do it if you don't have another board. Lol. This will not ruin your board I any way. That being said. Do not do that to your TwinPig. The structure in the base is there for a reason, and honestly you shouldn't have to wax it for some time. The other theory is that with it being a volume shifted board and wide, the personality of the board will not come alive until you get it wide open on resort conditions. Just like I stated in the video, volume shifted boards to me are sluggish and lack response. Since Big Snow is so small. I don't think you're really letting her loose. I really hope the base issue is resolved on resort conditions, and I honestly think it will. As well as hopefully you grow to love it when you can get her wide open.👍
@@DREWFUSSMAC thanks for the reply! After 32 years in the game sometimes a outsiders perspective can really shed light. In the past I’ve rode Mervin stuff but rode a Kemper Freestyle 161 last year. All with sintered based, not sure the exact number though. Last year I didn’t preseason at Big Snow because they were closed due to a fire & in the late summer of 2019 it just felt good to snowboard I didn’t care what I was on. Per the snow it’s like soft like spring corn snow but cooler & much drier; completely unique. I do agree the Pig wanted to be pushed more that I could due to space, beginners everywhere, & walls (they’re not at the mountain I normally ride, LOL). There’s a video of my daughter riding that day on my channel if you were curious about the “snow”. I do know I probably not going to be going as I have dental implant surgery the 1st week of November. Aside from the expense, 4K, it eats up all my time off at work. I did notice some shadowing as I inspected the base last night that turned to be adhesive residue from the spec sheet. Some gas on a rag took care of it & I cleaned it up afterwards. Possible culprit? I predominantly ride a smaller place, West Mountain, with my daughter. So my riding has been slowed with a lot of switch so she can fallow, side hits when I’m waiting, & she always likes dad to be the GP in the park. I think it has the potential to be a good ride. I’m going to give it a whirl with a splash of wax because Big Snow dried out other contact points on the base. I’m just frustrated with myself because it’s all my fault getting the wrong size T Rice & I felt it was a #2 default choice. HOWEVER I can’t find really anything bad on it after a few years of production. Being larger, 6’4” 225 with 13s, I’m thinking I can “drive” it to preform. Not to mention with everything happening in this world as soon as I get out there I’m sure it’ll be fine. Hey if there’s a Sasquatch on marketplace/ CL in upstate NY who likes to ride park maybe I’ll pull off a mid season switch out....
@@tomjones1967 nice dude! Be careful with waxing it though. More so just don't put too much effort in getting that shine like other bases when you brush it. The structure will make it look like there is still wax on it when you brush. Also, going up and down when you brush it is slightly more critical due to the structure. So definitely brush out the wax going back and forth in the same direction as the structure. I think for sure the residue could have been a culprit, but I have a feeling it was snow. Have fun on it dude and remember any day of riding is better than not riding at all!🤘
3BT helps tremendously in trees regardless of conditions. Way less hooky and turns are initiated very easy. I highly recommend 3BT for all technical riding.👍
Great content! And you clearly know your stuff- But… don’t shoot vertical. Its horrible and distracting from all the good points you made. Im still going to Sub and check out your stuff though
I have a size 10.5 boot and have had a few volume shifted boards(K2 Party Platter and Simple Pleasures) and they are not the boards for me. In fresh snow/ pow they are great because of the waist width and they are super fun and floaty but when you are on the groomers they are exhausting to ride and have a slow edge change of the waist width.
I don't believe they make thr Camel Two in a 158cm. Perhaps you're thinking of the 157cm. The 157cm should be the best choice i.m.o seeing how going shorter at your specs for any sort of park or freestyle aspects would be somewhat pointless, and going bigger wouldn't be necessary at your specs. The Camel Two is an amazing board that can do everything pretty well except for a true park board. It handles pow with ease and trees as well. If for some reason you happen to have another board for groomers (mainly carving) or something more traditional camber, I would suggest you look at the Goliath, Goliath Plus, or thr Thunder. To me those style of 3BT is slightly better in pow over the Camel Two. The trade off to that is that the Camel Two holds an edge better than the boards mentioned above, but slightly less signature 3BT Bataleon feeling in pow. I am not saying that the Camel Two is bad in pow by any means. I just feel like the expectations of the board for trees and pow would be better suited on other Bataleon boards. For example, I am coming up on having to replace my Bataleon One and I'm leaning towards the Goliath Plus,Thunder, or Thunder Bolt. I'd like a slightly stiffer board over my One, but with a similar profile shape of 3BT for the handling in the trees and pow. Even though I own a Camel Two as well. They do handle terrain differently. With any boards stated above I would be happy to ride them in any and all terrain though.
@@DREWFUSSMAC Yeah I already have a couple of all mountain freeride boards that I like…looking at the Camel 2 as an option for a straight deep days dedicated pow board that can carve aswell and be nimble in the trees on deeper days…from looking at the lineup those boards you mentioned didnt strike me as dedicated pow boards more like freeride allrounders (which I have already…deep thinker, hometown hero, Lib dynamo, ultimate ride) but I might be mistaken
@@sax1607 yup, I hear you. What you want out of the Camel Two is totally possible with it. It will be a great board for deep days, and can carve very well. I suggested the other boards for the nimble aspect. Especially since you listed a few of your freeride boards that you own already. You most likely will notice the difference in nimble performance with the 3BT in the nose of the Camel Two compared to your board lineup, expect maybe the Dynamo. Even with the C3 camber, the Camel Two might feel slightly more nimble. Cool thing about the boards that I listed is that they have a different, more pronounced 3BT profile over the Camel Two. Especially the Thunder. It has a more aggressive 3BT profile, as well as the backseat inserts. This is awesome for really deep days and being able to really feel the fluidity of 3BT in pow. If you rode them back to back (Camel Two vs Thunder) you could really tell the difference. Again, not saying the Camel Two sucks in any shape or form. Just it's actually a lot more close to non 3d shaped boards over the rest of Bataleons line. That's why it rides so well on groomers and can actually carve, plus have nice pow performance. As opposed to the Thunder or the Goliath, that might not carve as well as the Camel Two, but they have amazing powder performance compared to the Camel Two. There is always a trade off. Pick your poison, but either way you won't have a frown when you ride any of these boards. This is my suggestion based of you wanting it for trees and pow. I'd go Thunder. You want trees, pow, and carving I'd go Camel Two. Just know that the Thunder only really will not carve that well on really firm icy days. Decent snow days, and great corduroy the Thunder will carve like a champ, no problems.👍
There are other variables that weigh into determining if volume shifted boards are the way to go, like the rider weight/height/boot combo. So I'm 6'4" 170 sz.12 boot, Its a weird combo since my height and boot size match up to big boards(like 167+) but my weight cant handle them. I've found volume shifted boards in the 157 range, medium flex and a minimum of 27.5 waist to be the most fun. I can really throw them around, lay them over, feel the intended flex pattern & I still have enough toe/heel leverage to have fun in the trees. If people want to get really technical they can print off "Donek's board angulation guide". Cut it to, say 70 degrees, strap your back foot boot in your bindings on your board, weight down the camber & put that angle up to the edge of your board. If your toe & heel aren't even close to that 70 degree edge then your'e going to have work a lot harder to get your board on edge. For me the ideal spot is about flush to 2-3mm from touching the angle edge. It's the perfect balance to be able to carve deep and still have nimble board control. Also a great way to perfectly center your boot on board.
Size 13 foot here so I'm bound by volume shifted boards more or less. I'm gonna test a bunch of boards at my indoor slope for a new board upcoming season. Currently my short list is the Salomon Dancehaul, Yes Warca, Jones Frontier Wide and Lib Tech Orca. I don't venture in the park except for the small to medium jump line. I like doing side country and trees if they're available (the Alps barely have any). I have a Korua Tranny Finder 157 but that board is too stiff for what I like.
How much do you weigh bud?
Size 13 foot definitely would need minimum 265mm and up waist width. I would still steer clear of anything past about 270-272mm. Yes, volume shifted boards will definitely be more suitable for your feet waist width wise, but they still have their downfalls. Way less stable at high speeds that includes any high speed pow riding. Just something to think about. A more traditional board shape will always be my pick over any volume shifted board, especially for trees. Also be aware that what may feel good on an indoor setting may not translate into real resort riding. I'd be happy to help with any other suggestions board wise if you're open to other traditional shape boards. Wide versions of course.
@@DREWFUSSMAC 182 lbs, but looking to climb to at least 190. I'm a solid intermediate rider. I can do any groomed terrain without much trouble but I'm not that good at backside 180's, 360's, etc. yet.
What I love most is getting into the terrain next to the slopes, whether that is an open bowl, more technical terrain or trees, all not too steep though. The Alps barely have trees though so it's not even 10% of my riding.
I made the mistake of buying a Korua Tranny Finder 157 as I thought I was good enough for a board like that. I can handle it fine but I don't like how stiff and bulky it feels. It feels like a lot of board for me, and I think it's mainly because of the flex. I like to to butters on easier terrain and the TF was too hard to butter properly for me, especially the tail.
I rode a Salomon Assassin 158W (26.3 cm) before which I liked but I sold it for the TF.
@@EssenceOfTrance sounds about right on the Tranny Finder. Korua definitely have some beef to them. Great for carving and pow, but definitely understand that some days they can feel a little bulky. You should totally buy that Assassin if you liked it. My buddy has a Nitro Santoku and he let me ride it. Definitely a sick little twin camber board that can handle groomers as well as pow. Definitely super playful in the tip and tail for butters as well.
Honestly since you have the T.F if you wanted to carve or just kind of stick to groomers that would be a good choice. For a little more playful riding, park, pow, trees you should really take a look at the Bataleon Goliath. It's a directional twin that will kill it in pow, kill it in trees, and maintain a playful flex, all while being a decent groomer board. I think they offer wide versions of it as well. If not, I think the Bataleon Stallion is the one that is made for wide feet. May be something you might want to look into!
If you don't ride the korua much i could take it off you xD
I'm going in the trees searching for powder. My Volume shifted deck (Slush Slasher) is good in powder and good in trees.
Can't speak to other volume shifted boards, but mine is a very versatile deck.
Never rode a slush slasher, but I know they have to rip. One of my favorite RUclipsrs Iheartbraden shreds a slush slasher in tight ass trees at Breckenridge. He shreds that thing like crazy so it has to be a good board. 👍
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I couldn’t agree with you more about the volume shifted boards not performing in the trees or moguls. I’m struggling to figure out what to pair with my party wave plus for noodling in the trees and moguls. I’m guessing that more rocker dominant or loose boards are more ideal for tight technical riding but what do you think? I watched a guy swivel through moguls on a mind expander which I thought was surprising but it made me rethink my logic on board shapes.
My favorite tree boards in my quiver are the #1 Bataleon One, #2 Arbor Coda Rocker
My Bataleon One is pretty much a directional Bataleon Magic Carpet profile wise. They don't make it anymore, but the Thunder, Thunder Bolt, and Omni are the One's current equivalent offered with slightly different flex. With the 3BT on Bataleon it makes them so good in technical riding because some of the 3BT profiles that riders say don't grip well on groomers and hardpack actually work wonders in trees, moguls, and pow. The difference in edge hold between my Bataleon Camel Two and The One is night and day. The One grips fairy well, but definitely super loose compared to the C.2. The 3BT on the One is just so smooth and catch free in the trees, and moguls because the contact point are lifted pretty high. It has all the power you need though to make hard stops or speed checks if you had to without feeling super washy. The flex helps like crazy too, or mine is just so broken in from all its use. It's a 162cm and that is my go to tree board no matter what amount of snow is in there. Let that sink in. All for the most part has the power of camber with the looseness of a Rocker board or hybrid shape.
My Arbor Coda 158cm Rocker has similar tech in it. Arbor uses what they call Parabolic Rocker. It's a Rocker board that actually grips fairly well on groomers. It also has uprise fenders right at the traditional contact points of the board which makes it just slightly more forgiving at the tip and tail. Arbor also does something super cool which is they have these extra contact points directly under feet (toe&heel) called grip-tech. It allows you to steer the board very rapidly directly underfoot. Combined with a less aggressive torsional flex and you have a board that floats like a Rocker, gives you pretty damn good edge hold plus crazy precise, but also is very forgiving and flows like butter in the trees. The sidecut on my Arbor really helps with sharp quick turns in trees as well.
I would definitely steer clear of anything that has magne-traction because it's just a little too much grip for hardpack trees, but I have had ok times on loose hybrid shaped Lib Techs with the right profile and flex. The Magne-trac is just not needed on moguls or trees.
The Mind Expander performs well in moguls and trees because of a few reasons. It's basically a Rocker profile race board behind that huge nose. The slim waist width and Rocker profile give you amazing performance in technical terrain. It doesn't get bucked around like a volume shifted would. It actually thrives in that sort of terrain and only gets better in pow. They have also added 3d shaping in Jones boards now called Spoontech. Very similar tech to both Arbor and Bataleon. That nose on the M.E is basically not even touching the run unless it's in pow.
Tree and mogul boards to me need to scream controlled chaos. Something that can be loose when you want it, and in control when you need it. I have found that perfect waist width for your specific boot size is key. Then followed by advanced tech like 3BT, Parabolic Rocker, or Spoontech are the cherries on top.
Hope that helps dude!👍
My experience is different regarding tree runs in the forests in deep pow. I have tried several volume shifted boards and none of them are good (to me) as all mountain boards, but they performed really well in the forest, because due to their short length they are more agile but float amazingly well, no tomahawk risk and you can ride more relaxed and with your weight centered, even when the board is a volume shifted twin and your stance is totally centered.
I love these boards for deep pow, being my favorites the Arbor Terrapin and the K2 Cool Bean (although mine is a split bean). But I definitely wouldn't recommend them as do it all boards, not even the twin ones. But, we all are different and maybe if you are reading this, and if you have the chance to try twin VS boards, go ahead, maybe you like them as all mountain boards. I tried the Jones Mind Expander twin and the Capita Powder twin and I didn't like them for piste, so I didn't even go to the park. But, again, we all are different and to me, VS is a great concept, especially if you can ride deep pow every season and are a several boards guy like me.
Also, I agree that most of VS boards are just short wide boards, but others aren't, because they are slightly wider than a normal board but not enough to be wide. Like the old Never Summer Funslinger. I am 176 cm, 77 kg, and I have got a 153, and is one of my favorite boards of all time, even though is very soft. Its width in 153, is perfect for my 9 size feet. In their specs, when I bought it, they said that it was slightly VS.
I'm not much of true twin guy. I don't shred park and ride switch well enough on most of my directional twins, and freeride boards when needed. I did however scoop up a Yes 20/20 powderhaul. It's a true twin powder board and has a 263mm waist. Not crazy wide by any means and will hopefully work well with my size 10 boots. I think my personal max preference for non sluggish response is about 265-268mm max. That's pushing it really at 268mm for me. I just don't have any problems with agility in any terrain on most of my favorite boards. Which range from 157-162cm. My favorite tree board is a 162cm Bataleon One. Going smaller just never was my thing because I never saw the need. I ride pretty aggressive and going smaller just screamed less edge hold, less stability, and less powder float. I honestly gave volume shifted boards a serious shot. My favorite of the bunch was my Niche Pyre 155cm. I had some good times on that board, but technical riding is a true passion of mine. So that extra width just doesn't help me personally.
The Arbor Terrapin is sick and I have always had my eye on it because I love Guch! Especially the first edition I think with the Rasta color scheme. That is a sick ass board! Almost snagged one last season but the dude sold it. I keep my 2020 Bryan Iguchi Pro in mint condition simply because Guch is one of my favorite riders and I love that board.🤘
Thanks you help me avoid buying one of these boards
Thanks for the video! I really messed up & got a Trice Pro standard, not wide. With my 13s it just wouldn’t work. The only wide the shop had was the Ride Twin Pug 56W. Well I made the swap & got a good credit. Unfortunately after riding Big Snow early it was really slow & didn’t have much personality, however I’m wondering if somehow the indoor snows slower?
I’m at a loss because I know I paid for a board that wasn’t what I wanted. I just hope it lives up to 1/2 the reviews. Still debating tossing it on CL or Marketplace & going for what I want. After 30+ years of riding I’m debating on keeping it, stfu & learning my lesson, & actually purchasing what I want for next season.
So a few things might be going on here. The TwinPig comes with a sintered4000 base. Not a bad base by any means, but on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to sintered. Should be plenty fast though, especially with that stone ground finish that Ride applies to its boards straight from the factory. With Big Snow being man made snow, as well as them I'm assuming keeping the snow at a spring like condition for general riding, it may feel slow in those types of conditions. From what I can gather when I watch Big Snow vids, the snow doesn't look mega firm. That could be one possibility. One way to test this is if you had another board, try applying a thin coat of wax on your board and do not scrape it. Like literally coat the base with the most minimal amount of wax and then don't scrape it. Take it to Big Snow and see if that helps. If it does, then it's most likely the snow. Make a friend do it if you don't have another board. Lol. This will not ruin your board I any way. That being said. Do not do that to your TwinPig. The structure in the base is there for a reason, and honestly you shouldn't have to wax it for some time.
The other theory is that with it being a volume shifted board and wide, the personality of the board will not come alive until you get it wide open on resort conditions. Just like I stated in the video, volume shifted boards to me are sluggish and lack response. Since Big Snow is so small. I don't think you're really letting her loose. I really hope the base issue is resolved on resort conditions, and I honestly think it will. As well as hopefully you grow to love it when you can get her wide open.👍
@@DREWFUSSMAC thanks for the reply! After 32 years in the game sometimes a outsiders perspective can really shed light. In the past I’ve rode Mervin stuff but rode a Kemper Freestyle 161 last year. All with sintered based, not sure the exact number though.
Last year I didn’t preseason at Big Snow because they were closed due to a fire & in the late summer of 2019 it just felt good to snowboard I didn’t care what I was on.
Per the snow it’s like soft like spring corn snow but cooler & much drier; completely unique. I do agree the Pig wanted to be pushed more that I could due to space, beginners everywhere, & walls (they’re not at the mountain I normally ride, LOL). There’s a video of my daughter riding that day on my channel if you were curious about the “snow”.
I do know I probably not going to be going as I have dental implant surgery the 1st week of November. Aside from the expense, 4K, it eats up all my time off at work. I did notice some shadowing as I inspected the base last night that turned to be adhesive residue from the spec sheet. Some gas on a rag took care of it & I cleaned it up afterwards. Possible culprit?
I predominantly ride a smaller place, West Mountain, with my daughter. So my riding has been slowed with a lot of switch so she can fallow, side hits when I’m waiting, & she always likes dad to be the GP in the park. I think it has the potential to be a good ride.
I’m going to give it a whirl with a splash of wax because Big Snow dried out other contact points on the base.
I’m just frustrated with myself because it’s all my fault getting the wrong size T Rice & I felt it was a #2 default choice. HOWEVER I can’t find really anything bad on it after a few years of production. Being larger, 6’4” 225 with 13s, I’m thinking I can “drive” it to preform.
Not to mention with everything happening in this world as soon as I get out there I’m sure it’ll be fine. Hey if there’s a Sasquatch on marketplace/ CL in upstate NY who likes to ride park maybe I’ll pull off a mid season switch out....
@@tomjones1967 nice dude! Be careful with waxing it though. More so just don't put too much effort in getting that shine like other bases when you brush it. The structure will make it look like there is still wax on it when you brush. Also, going up and down when you brush it is slightly more critical due to the structure. So definitely brush out the wax going back and forth in the same direction as the structure. I think for sure the residue could have been a culprit, but I have a feeling it was snow. Have fun on it dude and remember any day of riding is better than not riding at all!🤘
Do you think the 3BT would help in the trees on their regular sized boards like a thunder or Goliath?
3BT helps tremendously in trees regardless of conditions. Way less hooky and turns are initiated very easy. I highly recommend 3BT for all technical riding.👍
There’s no such thing as “Too wide” for someone with a size 12 boot who tips it over. Bring on the wides (27.0 and up)!
You probably would love the Party Wave Plus 157cm then👍
@@DREWFUSSMAC I have it and love it. Such a fun Springtime Party Board.
Great content! And you clearly know your stuff-
But… don’t shoot vertical. Its horrible and distracting from all the good points you made. Im still going to Sub and check out your stuff though
May try to invest in a cheap camera and do a little better production wise this upcoming season. Thanks for the feedback🤘
How about deep pow tree runs? what would you recommend?
I have a size 10.5 boot and have had a few volume shifted boards(K2 Party Platter and Simple Pleasures) and they are not the boards for me.
In fresh snow/ pow they are great because of the waist width and they are super fun and floaty but when you are on the groomers they are exhausting to ride and have a slow edge change of the waist width.
What size boot do you have?
Size 10. I ride one of the smallest footprint boots in the industry. ThirtyTwo TM2's.
I’m looking at Bataleon Camel 2 158 for trees and pow…I’m 511 180lb …thoughts?
I don't believe they make thr Camel Two in a 158cm. Perhaps you're thinking of the 157cm. The 157cm should be the best choice i.m.o seeing how going shorter at your specs for any sort of park or freestyle aspects would be somewhat pointless, and going bigger wouldn't be necessary at your specs.
The Camel Two is an amazing board that can do everything pretty well except for a true park board. It handles pow with ease and trees as well. If for some reason you happen to have another board for groomers (mainly carving) or something more traditional camber, I would suggest you look at the Goliath, Goliath Plus, or thr Thunder. To me those style of 3BT is slightly better in pow over the Camel Two. The trade off to that is that the Camel Two holds an edge better than the boards mentioned above, but slightly less signature 3BT Bataleon feeling in pow.
I am not saying that the Camel Two is bad in pow by any means. I just feel like the expectations of the board for trees and pow would be better suited on other Bataleon boards.
For example, I am coming up on having to replace my Bataleon One and I'm leaning towards the Goliath Plus,Thunder, or Thunder Bolt. I'd like a slightly stiffer board over my One, but with a similar profile shape of 3BT for the handling in the trees and pow. Even though I own a Camel Two as well. They do handle terrain differently. With any boards stated above I would be happy to ride them in any and all terrain though.
@@DREWFUSSMAC Yeah I already have a couple of all mountain freeride boards that I like…looking at the Camel 2 as an option for a straight deep days dedicated pow board that can carve aswell and be nimble in the trees on deeper days…from looking at the lineup those boards you mentioned didnt strike me as dedicated pow boards more like freeride allrounders (which I have already…deep thinker, hometown hero, Lib dynamo, ultimate ride) but I might be mistaken
@@sax1607 yup, I hear you. What you want out of the Camel Two is totally possible with it. It will be a great board for deep days, and can carve very well. I suggested the other boards for the nimble aspect. Especially since you listed a few of your freeride boards that you own already. You most likely will notice the difference in nimble performance with the 3BT in the nose of the Camel Two compared to your board lineup, expect maybe the Dynamo. Even with the C3 camber, the Camel Two might feel slightly more nimble.
Cool thing about the boards that I listed is that they have a different, more pronounced 3BT profile over the Camel Two. Especially the Thunder. It has a more aggressive 3BT profile, as well as the backseat inserts. This is awesome for really deep days and being able to really feel the fluidity of 3BT in pow. If you rode them back to back (Camel Two vs Thunder) you could really tell the difference. Again, not saying the Camel Two sucks in any shape or form. Just it's actually a lot more close to non 3d shaped boards over the rest of Bataleons line. That's why it rides so well on groomers and can actually carve, plus have nice pow performance. As opposed to the Thunder or the Goliath, that might not carve as well as the Camel Two, but they have amazing powder performance compared to the Camel Two. There is always a trade off. Pick your poison, but either way you won't have a frown when you ride any of these boards.
This is my suggestion based of you wanting it for trees and pow. I'd go Thunder. You want trees, pow, and carving I'd go Camel Two. Just know that the Thunder only really will not carve that well on really firm icy days. Decent snow days, and great corduroy the Thunder will carve like a champ, no problems.👍