Htf you keep improving yourself! Well partially it's because op itself keeps being a better story week after week so I guess RUclipsrs covering it also step up accordingly
This theory doesn't make any sense for a simple single reason If they were born out of what happen on the void century And the nika nika has not awaken in 800 years ..bhow old they know what it is or what it does? No this theory miss its mark by a long way
The void century is starting to sound like the holocaust, I bet the dragon fruit once belonged to the celestials and the gods knights typically use it to burn down villages and islands. But what I think makes this more insane is how there is a second wano designed to keep fishmen hidden if needed…
It is and still is a holocaust. All of the old gods were killed off systematically till the only religion left was the world government. Enslaved the Fishman and tontotto because laws don't apply t them. Then when those slaves rose up and freed themselves they figured out how to turn everyone into slaves with fear
I already liked your initial theory but WOW Lili and Imu being swapped is GENIUS, and actually makes so much sense. Same with the idea that Blackbeard’s devil fruit isn’t a just any Mythical Fruit which would already be a twist- BUT THE FRUIT OF IMU THEMSELF???
Which does make sense as it doesn't work like a logia class fruit at all.... Then there's all the weird abilities he has on top of the devil fruit cancelling😮
@@amitakabari2281 But Luffy fighting twice against the same ability? first Kurohige and after Imu who has the power that Luffy have defeated previously against Kurohige, no have sense
Thanks for this, this is why I want Oda to rest and be able to finish his entire story. Anyone who wants Oda to work himself to death needs to look at themselves in the mirror and think if they can do more in their lives. So there is an ancient family known as Nerona, that has hearts on their buildings the look like Perona's heart hat? Huh, Oda was sloppy on that little detail it would seem.
It's not work, the man is passionate about his story he loves drawing his characters and storyline. Work is something you have to do but don't enjoy doing it Oda is full of passion don't take it away from him, if he hated it he would have ended the story years ago 😂
Then VIVI being the true ancient weapon user for URANUS makes sense to me. Having JOYBOY/LUFFY befriending all 3 ancient weapons on his journey makes poetic sense for his character too. Hence, Imu needs the mother flames to force URANUS into use
WAIT isn't it even better if the reason Imu swapped body with Lily was BECAUSE she wanted to be able to control the ancient weapon Uranus ! Instead of Imu receiving the ancient weapon, she was just a person who created devil fruits and such, and then made use of the ope ope no mi to switch with her and 'become her' thus gaining her powers on Uranus.
The original mother flame was the breath of a dragon or multiple dragons(celestial dragons), used either hot air balloon style or as a generator to power the ancient weapon. Also would be pretty cool if the flame flame fruit was given to Ace because it could meet the same criteria to fulfill the one piece prophecy with an ancient weapon. Then eaten by Sabo who uses dragon based attacks. I could totally see Sabo’s flame and Dragons wind to magnify the flame being used with the ancient weapon to be what takes down the red line in the end.
Theory time of mine: There are two ways to awaken a zoan. It's either make a pact with the Devil in it or use your willpower and experience to influence the devil instead of the vice versa. People who are not powerful enough end up like the jailer beasts in Impel Down. They cannot handle the devil influence. They're doomed from the start, even before the pact. Others have a limit like Lucci and Kaku. That's why Kaku told Lucci to be careful with the Zoan awakening. His body can only handle so much devil influence from the pact. The Gorosei are powerful enough to assert a connection with their devil. They work together, kinda like Naruto and Kurama, minus the friendship. Luffy and Yamato used their sheer determination to be the one in control of their fruits instead of going "yayah satan let's work together shake my hand and the devil fruit awakens," they say "fuck satan I do what I want my fruit my rules." They beat down the devil influence and truly awaken. That's why the ribbons of the gorosei, lucci, and kaku are dark. They didn't awaken their fruits with their own will. Probably, they meditated or did some stupid ritual to make deals with their devils, so, it takes two to tango, and they're not fully in control 100 percent, unlike Luffy and Yamato. "What about the devil Tot Musica from film Red?" Oh. Non-awakened users, when the fruit is powerful enough or the user is very creative, can summon their devil but cannot impose their will on it due to lack of a relationship.
@@BrainGamesPQ Who said that? To me its unclear until we got more details on their powers. At this point they could have devil fruits, it could be even something else more powerful, but i dont remember whilst reading that anywhere was a 100% accurate statement of denial or conformation for a DF. Maybe i overread it, if so tell me where to read again anyone, please?
@@senpai-kun8701 whenever Oda introduces a devil fruit power, he always includes the name of it. But instead, we got YOKAI names. I believe their power is bestowed to them by Imu granting them immense power and immortality. But their immortality has a weakness and it’ll be exploited.
Something that never fully sat well with me was the idea that only Zoan devil fruits have a will of their own, the Kaku statement about gravitational pulls should also apply to the Awa Awa no Mi, and if your theory of giving life to Logia is true, then it should stand to reason that any devil fruit could have a will of it's own, however small
It's not even in the title of the video but it's litteraly the best Blackbeard theory ever. It's very solid because - "unlike other logias"... because it's not, it's a mythical zoan, just like how you want important characters to have great powers, they have mythical zoans (Luffy, Kaido, Saturn, imo Dragon too, then also Blackbeard) - explains its power to cancel devil fruits - explain gravity like powers that Imu similarly had probably - explain the 'darkness' because it's a devil - makes sense the world gov would want to hide its existence, as they already did with Nika - it could be the explaination to how BB's crew is able to 'steal' devil fruits - it's related to a possible explaination of how BB got 2 devil fruits (but if that's the explaination, why not more? maybe it's just very hard physically still? Or maybe he can/will have >2DFs...) It doesn't explain everything about BB (why did he not sleep before eating the fruit? "Them" ?) Still, I also quite like the opposition Imu/Blackbeard/Black/Darkness VS Joyboy/Luffy/White(G5)/Sun
I like the theory, but there is a point about Imu being the creator of the fruits. Why make the nikka and other similar ones? It's more likely that the fruits are separated, for example were an asset of the kingdom and Imu made some adjustments, since nature hated the advancement of that kingdom. With Oda, even after 25+ years you still have so many possibilities, it's kinda crazy tbh
Imu didn't make the fruits themselves probably - he made the mechanism to make them. The Magical Tree, basically. You wish to become fire? Eat a fruit, become fire! You wish to become the Sun? Here it is. If the Yami-Yami no mi has the power to negate any other devil fruit, and Imu has this power - it doesn't really matter to him, what exact fruits are created.
Imu probably had died in his or her last vessel, which causes their will to be imbedded into a fruit. That same will is the Dark Fruit, to which Blackbeard obtained. Shanks went to the Gorosei to warn about Blackbeard that he might eventually overthrow Imu, and Shanks probably doesn't want that for his own mystery reasons.
Oh god nika. Your theorie is awesome. I think your theories are (in general) the best I hear about the different one piece subject. You do relatively little overinterpretation and you remain simple, which means that your theories are rarely the most extravagant and therefore makes them more credible. Also (and above all) your theories give a new reading to one piece but without needing to look far from Oda's work and that’s exactly what a theory is for; giving meaning to one piece (and not trying to warn Assguy has the zoan mythicals fruit of my ass which changes... nothings exept make the meaning inconsistent)
I’ve never shared this but when we first heard about the nerona family I had this same idea but in reverse- that I think Lily took imu’s body but your version makes more sense. I’m down for this theory 100%
What if that vivi is also the user of uranus, cause every time in a couple generations between the power of the ancient weapons gets passed down. And cause the body of lily din’t technically die there are now 2 powers.
i think Imu has the Nightmare devil fruit where your worst wish comes true and Blackbeard wants that ability in order to become "a moving mountain where darkness and horrors resides"
in many myths, the creation/creator said to rise from the primordial sea, like Vishnu that became to be from a devine lotus. in Persian myth, there the tree of life "the progenitor of all seeds", that is the phenix-like devine lion-bird, that break the branches when land on him, cause the seed to fall, and then Vayu the devine wind spread them to the rest of the world.
True. And brings up some questions.. just how much of this was written before it was being animated and published? And if the answer is none, or just concepts.. then how much of the story, going forward, has he written? Or has it all been stuff he's been essentially spitballing on the fly? Because regardless of the answers, Oda is absolutely a literary beast, but depending on some of the answer to some of these questions.. it would only magnify the epic-ness of his genius. I am a sucker for good stories. Like many humans.. but there are VERY few stories I've come across that have sucked me in so much as the unfolding story of One Piece. I'm genuinely being blown away constantly. Hanging on the edge of every chapter waiting for the next one. It's truly been an amazing ride, and I've only been a fan for a few years. I hope Oda has a long and fruitful life full of good health into his golden years. My only fear is he may die before deciding when a good time to finish the story is. (If it isn't already done being written or close to it) I'd hate to see this beautiful modern day Odyssey turn into THAT kind of tragedy. If anyone deserves to be remembered forever for making an animated epic, it's absolutely Eiichiro Oda. May the universe bless that man's soul.
If the Imu's devil fruit was finding a wielder, then why was Blackbeard searching for it in the 1st place. He seems so desperate to find it. Like he knew what was the real purpose of the fruit was. After all he is better known as Marshall D. Teach.
Imu has Kami Kami no mi ~ god god fruit. Hito hito no mi vs Kami Kami no mi will be the peak of the underlying Prometheus theme that runs throughout the anime.
8:26 . Wait keep cooking 😳😳😳😳 my only thing is that if it was found on a island then the theory doesn’t make sense but the all blue part makes just perfect sense
I don't like the idea that All Blue does not yet exist and is formed after the destruction of the Red Line, that way everyone will be able to find it, the mysticism of All Blue is that it is a place that already exists and no one can find, something like Laugh Tale
17:34 to build up in this, if Imu body swapped Lily's body then Lily was the original ancient weapon controller and probably used the ufo/dragon to moves the ponegliffs across the world. This is an alternative to the theory that Lily used the Paw Paw fruit to send the ponegliffs across the world
My theory says that IMU Has the ability or an ancient weapon who allows her to rule enemies end everyone as Zonjusha or the ancient robot who both apologies to Joy boy,even the gorosei i believe they are trapped into IMU abilities asuel as the alliance with kingdom's who fight Joy boy....and the ones who she cannot rull or use her abilities are the ones who carry the *D* as Nefertaly D. Lilli who was the only one who didn't join that war against Joy boy
I've noticed that there is a recurring theme in retainers/subordinates betraying their king/leader. Bon-Clay, Viola, and Denjiro are the most prominent. What if one of the Gorosei is a traitor?
Could the celestial dragons be a name that refers to some myth, legend or tale of a dragon overthrowing angels? If Imu can control dragons and used them to overthrow the lunarians it would make sense with a name that refers to it.
Wonderful video man. I don't know what to say, I really feel like I'm spoiling myself watching your videos. Analysis top tier, choice of ost awesome, the pictures to describe what you're saying is second to none. 100/10. Congrats bro
Pretty convincing argument. I wasn't really on board with IMU is Lili or even a woman at all, but if they look like a cartoon rubberhose Devil form of Lili, then IMU being a woman would be all the more hilarious.
Your Ryuma Dragon point doesn’t work because Ryuma was born 400 years ago on new Wano. 800 years ago the walls were created. Some time later old Wano got submerged in rainwater. Between 600-500 years ago Oars took some islands from the world and created new Wano and that’s why the regions have different climates. Oars died 500 years ago. He was 159 years old at that point which means between 600-500 years ago he created new Wano. 400 years ago Ryuma was born in Ringo, which is in New Wano and not in old Wano. And that’s where he also died due to a sickness and he was buried there with his sword Shusui. Unless you want to make the argument that old Wano also had a Ringo which was also a cold Region AND that Moria took a submarine to go there and grab Shusui and Ryumas corpse it just doesn’t add up.
It could be a plothole or miscalculation from Oda. reminder that Ryuma and him slaying a dragon was created before the one piece manga itself, I think it was a cool detail to have canonically
@@rensukotsu7355Yeah that’s true but I didn’t feel the need to add that since we saw like a few panels of Sukiyaki literally showing it to us that new Wano is above old Wano
The reason Blackbeard's fruit doesn't function as a logia (letting attacks go through it) is because we've only ever seen it in its' natural weakness, which is light. Just like Crocodile couldn't have attacks go through him when he was wet (his natural weakness), so is Blackbeard's darkness fruit. I believe that if we ever see him fight during the night, or in a dark room, attacks will go through him like with any other logia fruit.
What if Luffy has to become the Sun, to bring a new dawn sacrificing himself to stop Blackbeard and/or Imu.. Im just reading comments and spouting random ideas. But that could be cool.
The moment I read the Manga and saw gear 5 heck even when I watched the anime! (thunder bagua luffy's head) it was too abvious that's inspired from cuphead lol, no wonder why were seeing so much references everywhere about imu with cuphead devil's scenes! Man I really love that game and it's music ❤️
@@gothgrrl8711 I know that maybe I got influenced a bit by the game 😅 anyway I'm really looking forward to the day when the animation shows imu's awakening!
@@zf8496bro, there’s not a chance in the world that CupHead has somehow influenced One Pieces story. Like come on bro, the manga has 20 years on CupHead, and while yes the big revelations have been in the years since generally, they’ve definitely been in Odas mind far longer than the game.
My take: Imu is a pure royal blood from the ancient kingdom. His half brother is Joyboy born from a commoner concubine. The King wants to pass the crown to Joyboy coz he sees darkness in Imu but joyboy doesn't want it coz he doesn't want to be tied in a single place. Joyboy wants to go to the sea and be free, while Imu covets the throne. Since the King officially passed the throne to Joyboy, Imu started a rebellion and intice the 25 kingdoms to destroy the Ancient Kingdom. Btw, the King's Name of the Ancient Kingdom is Nikka. Lmao im drunk...
What if that vivi is also the user of uranus, cause every time in a couple generations between the power of the ancient weapons gets passed down. And cause the body of lily din’t technically die there are now 2 powers.
You know if Imu did switch with Lily because she was the one that controlled Uranus & maybe the reason why Imu want Vivi is because they don’t want another to be able to control it as well before she awakens that ability, & maybe we will get one of those tropes where Imu who is inside Lily’s body looks just like her which was foreshadowed with first Igaram dressing up like Vivi as her decoy & that Bon-Chan the user of the Clone-Clone Fruit was introduced when they got to Alabasta
Loving the series, but just wanted to add something about the kanji used for Tenryuubito and Uranus. The kanji used for these is not the same, in fact it's almost completely different. The only kanji that's the same is 天["ten"](sky/heaven), the other two kanji used in the words are different. 天竜人(tenryuubito) = "heaven + dragon +people" and 天王星(tennousei) = "heaven + king + planet/star". They're two completely different words, and have no connection other than the kanji 'ten' that means "heaven/sky". It's still a noteworthy connection, but wanted to add my two cents since I do think that's an important distinction to make, given how important word play and kanji is in manga, especially for Oda.
still dont get why people think the noah is for carrying fish men they can literally swim to the surface it would make more sense that it is for humans after say a massive flood.
Imu does not say the D were of the Ancient Kingdom, just that they were the people that went on to oppose Imu et al. Because it’s likely that Imu, Lili etc were all on the same side at one point against the Kingdom.
I still think this blue butterfly is the weapon. It is shown every time and there is the butterfly effect which says even the smalles wimp can cause tsunamis anywhere else.
I always wondered if the same way we got gol.d roger wrong maybe it hasn't been 'devil fruit' but the devil's fruits and if all those powers are incarnations of said sea devil it would explain the weakness against going into bodies of water and maybe luffy and black beard got the most powerful abilities of the devil that he needs back
Two rings in the eye appears when there are two entities in the same body Imu + lili ; luffy + nika ; cavendish + hakuba ; mihawk + yoru ; many possibilities for zunisha.
@@zf8496 I have been thinking and discussing about double ringed eyes for long time, even when luffy's nika form eyes weren't revealed I had a idea about mihawk making himself one with yoru, either both of their will got combined or mihawk is dominating yoru's will ( maybe that's even the method of forging a "black blade" ) similar to cavendish's case. But after nika's reveal and this most possible theory about Imu taking over lili to gain the power of ancient weapon thus gaining two ringed eyes it is nearly confirmed!!
This is actually smart. and it got be thinking about Nika, maybe Nika is just joy boys real name and the devil fruit came from the myth about him. and luffy ate it and became the incarnation of joy boy when he awakened it. and that's why zunisha didn't say "joy boy has returned!!" when he 1st saw luffy, or the same thing when ever someone at the fruit.
Imu isn't an ancient weapon and neither is the weapon that destroyed Lulusia. It was stated very clearly that Vegapunk invented the weapon that destroyed Lulusia. Effectively Vegapunk's studies of the ancient Kingdom and ancient weapons created a new ancient weapon the "Mother Flame". Do you even read the manga?
I believe the massive giants that we saw at the end of Thriller Bark that are based on mythology of an Umiboshi are the monsters that control Imu's ancient weapon.
It would be interesting if the World Government made their own version of Uranus which is powered by the Mother Flame, and the original Uranus ended up on the moon with Enel. It's a stretch, but it would bring that cover story back into relevance at least 😅
I'm personally thinking Akuma Akuma no mi Models for all of the Gorosei. Or maybe a new type of Zoan fruit instead of Mythical they could have Infernal Zoan fruits
I believe that Imu has control of Uranus but is missing/has no control of the beast that powers it. The Mother Flame might be the replacement for the beast. Which means Uranus might need to be powered by a powerful fire source. This would still work with the theory that Egg on Roger’s ship is connected Uranus. Ali’s it would still fit with the theory that the Man Marked by Flames is traveling on black(charred/burned) ship with a dragon aboard
I didn’t like your first video in this series… but this one is full of greatness! First great idea is of course the weapons are beast/ship/human commander hybrids… this makes it hard to control and this a threat that can’t be used easily by the government. That is why they wanted the pluton blueprints so bad because they can’t use the original without the deceased bloodline of kozuki(they probably do not know who Momo really is). So if they can make a new one perhaps they can control who lineage factor will control it? The second he part that is great and absolutely must be the case is that king Lily was Uranus and king Nerona took over her body and control of Uranus. That is the only possibility when you point out all the hints, Dofy did mention the personality swap. Imu refers to himself in the third person… and Oda is hiding the face because he looks like a twin to vivi! But the gorosei refer to him as male king imu. So what if Vivi is his target because the lineage factor makes it so they both can control Uranus creature and ship. Probably Luffy can produce an eternal flame/artificial sun that would power the world forever but also the weapons to end it! Then the last great idea is that Blackbeard has the imu fruit! That is interesting so we have a person with the power to negate devil fruits and this turn them on and off and have multiple fruits at once! But also the god it’s based on is still here? This one is less likely but a great idea. The only thing is teach had a weird body before eating the fruit? I suppose he could be a buccaneer and then the natural enemy of imu has imu fruit? I don’t know but this was a fun video full of good ideas
I know this isn't super relevant to the video, but just wanted to point out that Lillith wasn't introduced until MUCH later extra-Biblical stories were created during the Middle Ages and wasn't part of the original story from 1000+ years earlier. Otherwise awesome video man, this makes a lot of sense!
Low key I’m just waiting for the end of reverie to be animated to finally hear imu-Samas voice. Man or woman? It’s the biggest conundrum since croco mom theory.
SUMMARY OF MY BIG COMMENT - Imu swapped with Lily BECAUSE Lily was the one having Uranus's power (she probably scattered the poneglyphs after the swap using Nikyu-Nikyu no mi, explaining why 'Lily' never came back to Alabasta) - Uranus doesn't use dragons, but instead requires energy, the same type from void century that Vegapunk managed to recreate in 'mother flame' (hence why it was never used after the void century. It might have been used to create Enies Lobby's hole, which might have been the location of the ancient kingdom) MY COMMENT IN MORE DETAILS Your idea of Imu switching with Lily is genius, but I think it's crazier than that. Keep all your theory, but instead Imu wasn't given the ancient weapon Uranus, and swapped with Lily BECAUSE she wanted to control Uranus ! This would make a lot of sense for Luffy to have met all 3 heirs of these weapons (Vivi, Shirahoshi, Momo) all from actual allied countries with Joy Boy. I don't actually like the idea of 'betrayal', i don't think it would really fit, Joy Boy isn't someone you betray. But maybe Imu was really just someone with evil intentions trying to take advantage of Joyboy's powers. Also, maybe(?) she did it without success becaus 1) it failed to work, hence why 'mother flame' replaces Lily's orders 2) something happened to the 'conductors'(creatures carrying the carriage), hence why 'mother flame' replaced it 3) there was never creatures carrying the ship, but instead Uranus required a special form of energy (+the power of a person + a ship). That special energy being the one from the void century, that was recreated again by Vegapunk in 'mother flame'. I opt for option 3). It would explain what Dragon thought : why wouldn't they have used it before ? And it might also be the origin behind Enies Lobby's hole, that thus was made during the void century since Imu then lost the ability to use Uranus's power after the end of the ancient kingdom. Heck, the place of Enies Lobby might even be where the ancient kingdom was before being destroyed ! I think these points above are solid theories that can refine yours. Anyway, I really like the idea of a swap as it explains why, as Cobra said, there was never something written about Lily coming back to Alabasta... she wasn't simply killed by Imu, she was stolen her body by Imu, and maybe swapped with Imu and that's when she scattered the poneglyphs accross the world. Lily likely used the Nikyu-Nikyu no mi to scatter the poneglyphs. (we know we really can control where things are sent, and Imu questions if it was a 'mistake', which it definitely wouldn't be if they were just transported by boat maybe...). Also, I really like the idea that Nikyu, Gomu, Dragon fruits were all 'controled' by government yet were lost again by them. I actually really like the idea of dragons carrying Uranus's ship, especially because of Vegapumk attamptimg to recreate it, and Ryuma's story. But still, I don't think it's actually real, after all Ryuma was from 400 years ago(apparently?) and Oda said it's the same Ryuma from monster, in that case, the dragon couldn't have been sent by Imu (I have read Monsters). And Vegapunk recreating it was just a way to have a '2 dragon fight', and it was never hinted that it was a request from world gov, more Vegapunk going into his research. Also images from Lulusia didn't really hint at dragons. So even if it looked cool, I think it's more plausible for Uranus to be energy based.
The fact that people are considering that Uranus could have something to do with actual dragons is cool. Some prefer that it's just the flame of the dragons. How about...... The dragons are still controlling the ship to this day. Imu enslaved them, and they're sad and downtrodden. Luffy decides to free them, tying into the themes of liberation and helping the oppressed, then turns Uranus against Imu or something.
I would like to contribute more… Lily was the person who had control over the dragon and her successor is obviously Vivi D Nefertari, our nakama! And thats why Imu had her just next to Luffy and Shirahoshi, also because every location of the weapons is spoken in the country of the user who control it, so the Arabasta poneglypgh would be like the poneglyph of Wano so the successor knows what to do. Furthermore, Imu could be the Myth inside Lily’s Body and the first thing she tried when Imu had control over the dragon was to destroy Wano and lost it. I think Imu had to be from the Ancient Kingdom and maybe after a deadly fight where she almost dies like Joyboy, changed into Lilis body to control the dragon after the letter was found (Lily betrayed the ancient kingdom and joined Imu, maybe she was undercover all along or she regrets betraying Joyboy). I think mother flame is the artificial energy made by Vegapunk to replace the person controlling the Ship, maybe the original energy was from Joyboy like the ancient robot. It’s an amazing and Mind Blowing theory!! Nice video!!
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Htf you keep improving yourself!
Well partially it's because op itself keeps being a better story week after week so I guess RUclipsrs covering it also step up accordingly
Carbón, graba el video en castellano, que la mitad de cosas no me entero y seguro que es super interesante
I've been telling it's Akuma Akuma, Akuma No Mi.
Onigashima is the dragons's head from void century, the one that Ryunma has cut.
This theory doesn't make any sense for a simple single reason
If they were born out of what happen on the void century
And the nika nika has not awaken in 800 years ..bhow old they know what it is or what it does? No this theory miss its mark by a long way
The void century is starting to sound like the holocaust, I bet the dragon fruit once belonged to the celestials and the gods knights typically use it to burn down villages and islands. But what I think makes this more insane is how there is a second wano designed to keep fishmen hidden if needed…
oh.... My ...... God....
I mean not by original design but yea... Your have to break open Wano
It is and still is a holocaust. All of the old gods were killed off systematically till the only religion left was the world government. Enslaved the Fishman and tontotto because laws don't apply t them. Then when those slaves rose up and freed themselves they figured out how to turn everyone into slaves with fear
I already liked your initial theory but WOW
Lili and Imu being swapped is GENIUS, and actually makes so much sense.
Same with the idea that Blackbeard’s devil fruit isn’t a just any Mythical Fruit which would already be a twist- BUT THE FRUIT OF IMU THEMSELF???
Which does make sense as it doesn't work like a logia class fruit at all.... Then there's all the weird abilities he has on top of the devil fruit cancelling😮
blackbeard is HAX
BB has THREE souls, he'll get another power or a power we haven't seen him using yet
@@amitakabari2281 But Luffy fighting twice against the same ability? first Kurohige and after Imu who has the power that Luffy have defeated previously against Kurohige, no have sense
@@Orni92 Maybe 'what are devil fruits actually?' would be a big differentiator in it.
Geocentrism, black water, doflamingo's plan and imu's been there, done that... There's a lot about this theory I like.
Calling it: thr Gorosei were originally Nika's guards or knights and betrayed him, and deleted history to cover up the discovery
Sounds really cool
Love the bc it’s like wano and the OG retainers
nah why wuld he even have guards he clearly was a free spirit like Luffy and Roger
Yeah it seems like Saturn knows Nika personally.
LIKE HOW THE ROCKS PIRATES FEUDED WITH ONE ANOTHER YOOOOOOOOO
When I saw the straw hat next to Imu I could not help but think He is joyboy gone bad.
This theory made me feel that I have spoiled One Piece ending for myself amazing!
Thanks for this, this is why I want Oda to rest and be able to finish his entire story. Anyone who wants Oda to work himself to death needs to look at themselves in the mirror and think if they can do more in their lives.
So there is an ancient family known as Nerona, that has hearts on their buildings the look like Perona's heart hat? Huh, Oda was sloppy on that little detail it would seem.
It's not work, the man is passionate about his story he loves drawing his characters and storyline.
Work is something you have to do but don't enjoy doing it
Oda is full of passion don't take it away from him, if he hated it he would have ended the story years ago 😂
Then VIVI being the true ancient weapon user for URANUS makes sense to me.
Having JOYBOY/LUFFY befriending all 3 ancient weapons on his journey makes poetic sense for his character too.
Hence, Imu needs the mother flames to force URANUS into use
I don’t need any flames to force Uranus into use 😂
You still need the flames to create Diarrea power@@Ogeyblaze
that makes sense
WAIT isn't it even better if the reason Imu swapped body with Lily was BECAUSE she wanted to be able to control the ancient weapon Uranus !
Instead of Imu receiving the ancient weapon, she was just a person who created devil fruits and such, and then made use of the ope ope no mi to switch with her and 'become her' thus gaining her powers on Uranus.
The original mother flame was the breath of a dragon or multiple dragons(celestial dragons), used either hot air balloon style or as a generator to power the ancient weapon.
Also would be pretty cool if the flame flame fruit was given to Ace because it could meet the same criteria to fulfill the one piece prophecy with an ancient weapon. Then eaten by Sabo who uses dragon based attacks.
I could totally see Sabo’s flame and Dragons wind to magnify the flame being used with the ancient weapon to be what takes down the red line in the end.
Thats is what i think too, man i hope we are right in that
Theory time of mine:
There are two ways to awaken a zoan. It's either make a pact with the Devil in it or use your willpower and experience to influence the devil instead of the vice versa.
People who are not powerful enough end up like the jailer beasts in Impel Down. They cannot handle the devil influence. They're doomed from the start, even before the pact.
Others have a limit like Lucci and Kaku. That's why Kaku told Lucci to be careful with the Zoan awakening. His body can only handle so much devil influence from the pact.
The Gorosei are powerful enough to assert a connection with their devil. They work together, kinda like Naruto and Kurama, minus the friendship.
Luffy and Yamato used their sheer determination to be the one in control of their fruits instead of going "yayah satan let's work together shake my hand and the devil fruit awakens," they say "fuck satan I do what I want my fruit my rules." They beat down the devil influence and truly awaken.
That's why the ribbons of the gorosei, lucci, and kaku are dark. They didn't awaken their fruits with their own will. Probably, they meditated or did some stupid ritual to make deals with their devils, so, it takes two to tango, and they're not fully in control 100 percent, unlike Luffy and Yamato.
"What about the devil Tot Musica from film Red?"
Oh. Non-awakened users, when the fruit is powerful enough or the user is very creative, can summon their devil but cannot impose their will on it due to lack of a relationship.
Interesting take!
Exept the Gorosei don't have devil fruits...
@@BrainGamesPQ Who said that? To me its unclear until we got more details on their powers. At this point they could have devil fruits, it could be even something else more powerful, but i dont remember whilst reading that anywhere was a 100% accurate statement of denial or conformation for a DF.
Maybe i overread it, if so tell me where to read again anyone, please?
@@senpai-kun8701 whenever Oda introduces a devil fruit power, he always includes the name of it. But instead, we got YOKAI names.
I believe their power is bestowed to them by Imu granting them immense power and immortality. But their immortality has a weakness and it’ll be exploited.
If devil fruits did originate from Imu, could that be why none of the Red Hair Pirates are devil fruit users? Could Shanks know more than we know?
Also why Roger isn't a Devil Fruit user too! this is very interesting!!! both knows something!
@@zf8496 or he just wanna swim.
who says they don't have you seen film RED?
what do you mean @@Fenronin
@@Fenronin Oda. Oda says they dont. Film RED isnt canon.
Imagine if Onigashima is the Head of the "Dragon/Devil/Oni" that Ryuma killed.
Nah, probably the "original" Oars who put Wano pieces together.
@@gustavo9758 that would also be plausible. But, think about it. for Ryuma to ascend to God Status, he should have killed an Onigashima sized Dragon
Hold up. That reminds me of Black Clover where the previous wizard king killed a demon and its skull is there.
Something that never fully sat well with me was the idea that only Zoan devil fruits have a will of their own, the Kaku statement about gravitational pulls should also apply to the Awa Awa no Mi, and if your theory of giving life to Logia is true, then it should stand to reason that any devil fruit could have a will of it's own, however small
It's not even in the title of the video but it's litteraly the best Blackbeard theory ever.
It's very solid because
- "unlike other logias"... because it's not, it's a mythical zoan, just like how you want important characters to have great powers, they have mythical zoans (Luffy, Kaido, Saturn, imo Dragon too, then also Blackbeard)
- explains its power to cancel devil fruits
- explain gravity like powers that Imu similarly had probably
- explain the 'darkness' because it's a devil
- makes sense the world gov would want to hide its existence, as they already did with Nika
- it could be the explaination to how BB's crew is able to 'steal' devil fruits
- it's related to a possible explaination of how BB got 2 devil fruits (but if that's the explaination, why not more? maybe it's just very hard physically still? Or maybe he can/will have >2DFs...)
It doesn't explain everything about BB (why did he not sleep before eating the fruit? "Them" ?)
Still, I also quite like the opposition Imu/Blackbeard/Black/Darkness VS Joyboy/Luffy/White(G5)/Sun
7:37 Now that you mention it, Kaido coming to Wano may have also been influenced somewhat by the spirit of his Devil Fruit.
I like the theory, but there is a point about Imu being the creator of the fruits. Why make the nikka and other similar ones? It's more likely that the fruits are separated, for example were an asset of the kingdom and Imu made some adjustments, since nature hated the advancement of that kingdom. With Oda, even after 25+ years you still have so many possibilities, it's kinda crazy tbh
Imu didn't make the fruits themselves probably - he made the mechanism to make them. The Magical Tree, basically. You wish to become fire? Eat a fruit, become fire! You wish to become the Sun? Here it is.
If the Yami-Yami no mi has the power to negate any other devil fruit, and Imu has this power - it doesn't really matter to him, what exact fruits are created.
Imu probably had died in his or her last vessel, which causes their will to be imbedded into a fruit. That same will is the Dark Fruit, to which Blackbeard obtained. Shanks went to the Gorosei to warn about Blackbeard that he might eventually overthrow Imu, and Shanks probably doesn't want that for his own mystery reasons.
The "arrow" that imu uses to strike down king cobra really looks more like a devil's tail than an arrow
I'm calling it here there should be someway someone resemble joyboy to help Luffy in comparison to Imu and Blackbeadx
Oh god nika. Your theorie is awesome. I think your theories are (in general) the best I hear about the different one piece subject. You do relatively little overinterpretation and you remain simple, which means that your theories are rarely the most extravagant and therefore makes them more credible.
Also (and above all) your theories give a new reading to one piece but without needing to look far from Oda's work and that’s exactly what a theory is for; giving meaning to one piece (and not trying to warn Assguy has the zoan mythicals fruit of my ass which changes... nothings exept make the meaning inconsistent)
You did not just say oh God Nika .. cringe 😂 also wouldn't it just be oh Nika instead of oh God 😂
Love the use of Kingdome Hearts music.
Robin, Brook, and Zoro gonna have a field day with this one
I’ve never shared this but when we first heard about the nerona family I had this same idea but in reverse- that I think Lily took imu’s body but your version makes more sense. I’m down for this theory 100%
What if that vivi is also the user of uranus, cause every time in a couple generations between the power of the ancient weapons gets passed down. And cause the body of lily din’t technically die there are now 2 powers.
i think Imu has the Nightmare devil fruit where your worst wish comes true and Blackbeard wants that ability in order to become "a moving mountain where darkness and horrors resides"
in many myths, the creation/creator said to rise from the primordial sea, like Vishnu that became to be from a devine lotus.
in Persian myth, there the tree of life "the progenitor of all seeds", that is the phenix-like devine lion-bird, that break the branches when land on him, cause the seed to fall, and then Vayu the devine wind spread them to the rest of the world.
this theory tells us that how much of a genius oda truly is.
True. And brings up some questions.. just how much of this was written before it was being animated and published? And if the answer is none, or just concepts.. then how much of the story, going forward, has he written? Or has it all been stuff he's been essentially spitballing on the fly? Because regardless of the answers, Oda is absolutely a literary beast, but depending on some of the answer to some of these questions.. it would only magnify the epic-ness of his genius.
I am a sucker for good stories. Like many humans.. but there are VERY few stories I've come across that have sucked me in so much as the unfolding story of One Piece.
I'm genuinely being blown away constantly. Hanging on the edge of every chapter waiting for the next one. It's truly been an amazing ride, and I've only been a fan for a few years. I hope Oda has a long and fruitful life full of good health into his golden years. My only fear is he may die before deciding when a good time to finish the story is. (If it isn't already done being written or close to it)
I'd hate to see this beautiful modern day Odyssey turn into THAT kind of tragedy. If anyone deserves to be remembered forever for making an animated epic, it's absolutely Eiichiro Oda. May the universe bless that man's soul.
If the Imu's devil fruit was finding a wielder, then why was Blackbeard searching for it in the 1st place. He seems so desperate to find it. Like he knew what was the real purpose of the fruit was. After all he is better known as Marshall D. Teach.
Imu has Kami Kami no mi ~ god god fruit. Hito hito no mi vs Kami Kami no mi will be the peak of the underlying Prometheus theme that runs throughout the anime.
Could be why Imu had a picture of BB along with Vivi and Luffy 🤔
if imu betrayed the ancient kingdom than that could be interperted as a parallel with blackbeard because he betrayed the whitebard pirates
If that's the case i was thinking Blackbeard would have immortality too. Maybe Law's fruit
8:26 . Wait keep cooking 😳😳😳😳 my only thing is that if it was found on a island then the theory doesn’t make sense but the all blue part makes just perfect sense
I don't like the idea that All Blue does not yet exist and is formed after the destruction of the Red Line, that way everyone will be able to find it, the mysticism of All Blue is that it is a place that already exists and no one can find, something like Laugh Tale
I believe that the ancient weapons together are meant to destroy the world and that is the ultimate dream of Luffy, Roger, Xebec and even Nika
Kingdom Hearts Soundtrack at the beginning. NICE!
17:34 to build up in this, if Imu body swapped Lily's body then Lily was the original ancient weapon controller and probably used the ufo/dragon to moves the ponegliffs across the world.
This is an alternative to the theory that Lily used the Paw Paw fruit to send the ponegliffs across the world
Lilly: I am the weapon Uranus!
Me: I wish to see the power of Uranus.
Duality of absolute freedom and absolute control. Its so damn cool lol
For real man. I love thinking of that dynamic.
Excellent music choices. Hollow Knight and Xenoblade is an amazing combo.
Honestly. The idea of the Battle between Luffy and Imu being between a god and a Devil is rather refreshing in Anime today. 😂
It would be CRAZY if Imu had the actual Capital - D Devil fruit
My theory says that IMU Has the ability or an ancient weapon who allows her to rule enemies end everyone as Zonjusha or the ancient robot who both apologies to Joy boy,even the gorosei i believe they are trapped into IMU abilities asuel as the alliance with kingdom's who fight Joy boy....and the ones who she cannot rull or use her abilities are the ones who carry the *D* as Nefertaly D. Lilli who was the only one who didn't join that war against Joy boy
I've noticed that there is a recurring theme in retainers/subordinates betraying their king/leader. Bon-Clay, Viola, and Denjiro are the most prominent. What if one of the Gorosei is a traitor?
What if one of gorosei was friend of joyboy and waiting for joyboy's return.
Could the celestial dragons be a name that refers to some myth, legend or tale of a dragon overthrowing angels?
If Imu can control dragons and used them to overthrow the lunarians it would make sense with a name that refers to it.
Imu being the one sending a dragon to Destroy and heel Wano but Ryuma stopped it sounds so cool
Lets see what unveils in the future, sounds like a sick backstory to show/explain to us.
Wonderful video man. I don't know what to say, I really feel like I'm spoiling myself watching your videos.
Analysis top tier, choice of ost awesome, the pictures to describe what you're saying is second to none.
100/10.
Congrats bro
Pretty convincing argument. I wasn't really on board with IMU is Lili or even a woman at all, but if they look like a cartoon rubberhose Devil form of Lili, then IMU being a woman would be all the more hilarious.
Love that you chose the KH soundtrack xD
It fits perfectly.
Nice theory btw.
I don't know why you keep insisting that that UMI is IMU backwards, that is not how the Japanese language works.
Your Ryuma Dragon point doesn’t work because Ryuma was born 400 years ago on new Wano.
800 years ago the walls were created.
Some time later old Wano got submerged in rainwater.
Between 600-500 years ago Oars took some islands from the world and created new Wano and that’s why the regions have different climates.
Oars died 500 years ago. He was 159 years old at that point which means between 600-500 years ago he created new Wano.
400 years ago Ryuma was born in Ringo, which is in New Wano and not in old Wano. And that’s where he also died due to a sickness and he was buried there with his sword Shusui.
Unless you want to make the argument that old Wano also had a Ringo which was also a cold Region AND that Moria took a submarine to go there and grab Shusui and Ryumas corpse it just doesn’t add up.
lol got'em
Just want to say: "New wano" is on top of "old" wano, at the top of the mountain.
It could be a plothole or miscalculation from Oda. reminder that Ryuma and him slaying a dragon was created before the one piece manga itself, I think it was a cool detail to have canonically
@@rensukotsu7355Yeah that’s true but I didn’t feel the need to add that since we saw like a few panels of Sukiyaki literally showing it to us that new Wano is above old Wano
Exactly where is said Ryuma lived 400 years ago?
Uranus needs a Dragon. The egg that Roger had was a Dragon and now the eggshell it's on egghead island, where the dragon may be now?
In what chapter can I see the eggshells? I might have missed them.
The reason Blackbeard's fruit doesn't function as a logia (letting attacks go through it) is because we've only ever seen it in its' natural weakness, which is light. Just like Crocodile couldn't have attacks go through him when he was wet (his natural weakness), so is Blackbeard's darkness fruit. I believe that if we ever see him fight during the night, or in a dark room, attacks will go through him like with any other logia fruit.
Yes! And that's why he covered Whitebeard body up when he stole his power, as he needed the total darkness.
@@Kfoglarsson I hadn't thought of that. I thought it was just to hide it from us the viewers and keep it a mystery for another 500 issues.
What if Luffy has to become the Sun, to bring a new dawn sacrificing himself to stop Blackbeard and/or Imu.. Im just reading comments and spouting random ideas. But that could be cool.
Ive always told my friends thats imu is like The Devil from cuphead. Luffy is a rubberhose character and its so fitting for imu to be one as well
The moment I read the Manga and saw gear 5 heck even when I watched the anime! (thunder bagua luffy's head) it was too abvious that's inspired from cuphead lol, no wonder why were seeing so much references everywhere about imu with cuphead devil's scenes! Man I really love that game and it's music ❤️
@@zf8496 but cuphead is inspired by older animation styles, oda has said he was inspired by tom and jerry for gear 5
@@gothgrrl8711 I know that maybe I got influenced a bit by the game 😅 anyway I'm really looking forward to the day when the animation shows imu's awakening!
@@zf8496bro, there’s not a chance in the world that CupHead has somehow influenced One Pieces story. Like come on bro, the manga has 20 years on CupHead, and while yes the big revelations have been in the years since generally, they’ve definitely been in Odas mind far longer than the game.
lol yeah Oda probably has never even heard of cuphead. @@Bananaficiary
It is confirmed that Oda is a hardcore Star wars fan. What if IMU in the final battle against Luffy, will tell Luffy: ”I am your mother”...
Best one piece theory channel on RUclips!
What if Imu is like Marvin the Martian from Looney Toons?
My take:
Imu is a pure royal blood from the ancient kingdom. His half brother is Joyboy born from a commoner concubine. The King wants to pass the crown to Joyboy coz he sees darkness in Imu but joyboy doesn't want it coz he doesn't want to be tied in a single place. Joyboy wants to go to the sea and be free, while Imu covets the throne. Since the King officially passed the throne to Joyboy, Imu started a rebellion and intice the 25 kingdoms to destroy the Ancient Kingdom.
Btw, the King's Name of the Ancient Kingdom is Nikka.
Lmao im drunk...
I get some serious Naruto Indra & Ashura vibes from that 😂
@@masonbaker1677yea it wouldn't be very original if they did that
Bruh took this straight from Reddit 😂
@@masonbaker1677 AKA lazy writing
buggy next imu than luffy doesnt want becone a king
What if that vivi is also the user of uranus, cause every time in a couple generations between the power of the ancient weapons gets passed down. And cause the body of lily din’t technically die there are now 2 powers.
Imu resembles like AKU from The legend of Samurai Jack
Doflamingo was called the Heavenly Demon. Dressrosa might be a metaphor for the end of the story.
It's an open secret that dressrosa is a microscopic version of the world at large
You know if Imu did switch with Lily because she was the one that controlled Uranus & maybe the reason why Imu want Vivi is because they don’t want another to be able to control it as well before she awakens that ability, & maybe we will get one of those tropes where Imu who is inside Lily’s body looks just like her which was foreshadowed with first Igaram dressing up like Vivi as her decoy & that Bon-Chan the user of the Clone-Clone Fruit was introduced when they got to Alabasta
This makes sense 💯💯💯
I like this logic, but I don't think the island destroying weapon is Uranus.
These theorys are so good, you can already call them spoiler 🤣
I love how hollow knight music is in most videos today. I can't wait for silksong
Great backround music, took me back to the old days of playing kingdom hearts
Loving the series, but just wanted to add something about the kanji used for Tenryuubito and Uranus. The kanji used for these is not the same, in fact it's almost completely different. The only kanji that's the same is 天["ten"](sky/heaven), the other two kanji used in the words are different. 天竜人(tenryuubito) = "heaven + dragon +people" and 天王星(tennousei) = "heaven + king + planet/star". They're two completely different words, and have no connection other than the kanji 'ten' that means "heaven/sky". It's still a noteworthy connection, but wanted to add my two cents since I do think that's an important distinction to make, given how important word play and kanji is in manga, especially for Oda.
still dont get why people think the noah is for carrying fish men they can literally swim to the surface it would make more sense that it is for humans after say a massive flood.
Imu does not say the D were of the Ancient Kingdom, just that they were the people that went on to oppose Imu et al. Because it’s likely that Imu, Lili etc were all on the same side at one point against the Kingdom.
I still think this blue butterfly is the weapon. It is shown every time and there is the butterfly effect which says even the smalles wimp can cause tsunamis anywhere else.
wow , your editing is cool
I always wondered if the same way we got gol.d roger wrong maybe it hasn't been 'devil fruit' but the devil's fruits and if all those powers are incarnations of said sea devil it would explain the weakness against going into bodies of water and maybe luffy and black beard got the most powerful abilities of the devil that he needs back
akuma no mi is devil's fruit
Two rings in the eye appears when there are two entities in the same body Imu + lili ; luffy + nika ; cavendish + hakuba ; mihawk + yoru ; many possibilities for zunisha.
You're into something here! that's true makes so much sense!
@@zf8496 I have been thinking and discussing about double ringed eyes for long time, even when luffy's nika form eyes weren't revealed I had a idea about mihawk making himself one with yoru, either both of their will got combined or mihawk is dominating yoru's will ( maybe that's even the method of forging a "black blade" ) similar to cavendish's case. But after nika's reveal and this most possible theory about Imu taking over lili to gain the power of ancient weapon thus gaining two ringed eyes it is nearly confirmed!!
This is actually smart. and it got be thinking about Nika, maybe Nika is just joy boys real name and the devil fruit came from the myth about him. and luffy ate it and became the incarnation of joy boy when he awakened it. and that's why zunisha didn't say "joy boy has returned!!" when he 1st saw luffy, or the same thing when ever someone at the fruit.
Imu isn't an ancient weapon and neither is the weapon that destroyed Lulusia. It was stated very clearly that Vegapunk invented the weapon that destroyed Lulusia. Effectively Vegapunk's studies of the ancient Kingdom and ancient weapons created a new ancient weapon the "Mother Flame".
Do you even read the manga?
Ginny kinda looks like one of the Vega punks
Let us not forget that Pluton and Uranus are name givers for Chemical elements that were used to make the funny bomb
I believe the massive giants that we saw at the end of Thriller Bark that are based on mythology of an Umiboshi are the monsters that control Imu's ancient weapon.
HOLY FUCK DUDE YOU are a genuis THIS ALL LINES UP SO GOODLY BRO HOLYYYY
It would be interesting if the World Government made their own version of Uranus which is powered by the Mother Flame, and the original Uranus ended up on the moon with Enel. It's a stretch, but it would bring that cover story back into relevance at least 😅
So the real Ancient Weapons… were the friends we made along the way.
hehe
in Genesis, the word Deep is translated from hebrew word Tehom which is also can be translated as Ocean or Sea
Music from FF16, such a good choice ✨
Okay, imu being the mith that blackbeards fruit is based on is an amazing theory and now my headcanon, it kinda gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
I'm personally thinking Akuma Akuma no mi Models for all of the Gorosei. Or maybe a new type of Zoan fruit instead of Mythical they could have Infernal Zoan fruits
Oohhh dope theory infernal zoan devil fruits sounds like a one piece thing
They are probably all Uni "Japanese Demons." Saturns one is and thats already confirmed in the Manga.
@@Aldiraider where was his Devil fruit confirmed?
Part of me thinks Imu has the hito hito no mi model Eve. Eating a cursed apple and unleashing evil on the world.
It's like Evangelion in so many ways. This is the Vessel of Adams and master of Vessel of Adams concept.
REMEMBER the Japanese "R/L" bars: the "MOTHER FRAME" is powered by the "MOTHER FLAME"
I believe that Imu has control of Uranus but is missing/has no control of the beast that powers it. The Mother Flame might be the replacement for the beast. Which means Uranus might need to be powered by a powerful fire source. This would still work with the theory that Egg on Roger’s ship is connected Uranus. Ali’s it would still fit with the theory that the Man Marked by Flames is traveling on black(charred/burned) ship with a dragon aboard
KH and FFXVI music in the background right at the beginning ❤
yep I agree with your theory imu hold devil devil fruit that can granted anyone devil fruit power
Enel found the ancient plans for Uranus, powering it using his own electricity instead of Mother Flame.
I didn’t like your first video in this series… but this one is full of greatness! First great idea is of course the weapons are beast/ship/human commander hybrids… this makes it hard to control and this a threat that can’t be used easily by the government. That is why they wanted the pluton blueprints so bad because they can’t use the original without the deceased bloodline of kozuki(they probably do not know who Momo really is). So if they can make a new one perhaps they can control who lineage factor will control it? The second he part that is great and absolutely must be the case is that king Lily was Uranus and king Nerona took over her body and control of Uranus. That is the only possibility when you point out all the hints, Dofy did mention the personality swap. Imu refers to himself in the third person… and Oda is hiding the face because he looks like a twin to vivi! But the gorosei refer to him as male king imu. So what if Vivi is his target because the lineage factor makes it so they both can control Uranus creature and ship. Probably Luffy can produce an eternal flame/artificial sun that would power the world forever but also the weapons to end it! Then the last great idea is that Blackbeard has the imu fruit! That is interesting so we have a person with the power to negate devil fruits and this turn them on and off and have multiple fruits at once! But also the god it’s based on is still here? This one is less likely but a great idea. The only thing is teach had a weird body before eating the fruit? I suppose he could be a buccaneer and then the natural enemy of imu has imu fruit? I don’t know but this was a fun video full of good ideas
I know this isn't super relevant to the video, but just wanted to point out that Lillith wasn't introduced until MUCH later extra-Biblical stories were created during the Middle Ages and wasn't part of the original story from 1000+ years earlier. Otherwise awesome video man, this makes a lot of sense!
Low key I’m just waiting for the end of reverie to be animated to finally hear imu-Samas voice. Man or woman? It’s the biggest conundrum since croco mom theory.
I guess Lilli D.Neferati had the OP OP No MI and did the Operation on IMU.
Very nice. What is the background music during the bit with the planets?
I appreciate the KH music in thr beginning lol
SUMMARY OF MY BIG COMMENT
- Imu swapped with Lily BECAUSE Lily was the one having Uranus's power
(she probably scattered the poneglyphs after the swap using Nikyu-Nikyu no mi, explaining why 'Lily' never came back to Alabasta)
- Uranus doesn't use dragons, but instead requires energy, the same type from void century that Vegapunk managed to recreate in 'mother flame'
(hence why it was never used after the void century. It might have been used to create Enies Lobby's hole, which might have been the location of the ancient kingdom)
MY COMMENT IN MORE DETAILS
Your idea of Imu switching with Lily is genius, but I think it's crazier than that.
Keep all your theory, but instead Imu wasn't given the ancient weapon Uranus, and swapped with Lily BECAUSE she wanted to control Uranus !
This would make a lot of sense for Luffy to have met all 3 heirs of these weapons (Vivi, Shirahoshi, Momo) all from actual allied countries with Joy Boy.
I don't actually like the idea of 'betrayal', i don't think it would really fit, Joy Boy isn't someone you betray. But maybe Imu was really just someone with evil intentions trying to take advantage of Joyboy's powers.
Also, maybe(?) she did it without success becaus
1) it failed to work, hence why 'mother flame' replaces Lily's orders
2) something happened to the 'conductors'(creatures carrying the carriage), hence why 'mother flame' replaced it
3) there was never creatures carrying the ship, but instead Uranus required a special form of energy (+the power of a person + a ship). That special energy being the one from the void century, that was recreated again by Vegapunk in 'mother flame'.
I opt for option 3). It would explain what Dragon thought : why wouldn't they have used it before ? And it might also be the origin behind Enies Lobby's hole, that thus was made during the void century since Imu then lost the ability to use Uranus's power after the end of the ancient kingdom. Heck, the place of Enies Lobby might even be where the ancient kingdom was before being destroyed !
I think these points above are solid theories that can refine yours.
Anyway, I really like the idea of a swap as it explains why, as Cobra said, there was never something written about Lily coming back to Alabasta... she wasn't simply killed by Imu, she was stolen her body by Imu, and maybe swapped with Imu and that's when she scattered the poneglyphs accross the world.
Lily likely used the Nikyu-Nikyu no mi to scatter the poneglyphs. (we know we really can control where things are sent, and Imu questions if it was a 'mistake', which it definitely wouldn't be if they were just transported by boat maybe...).
Also, I really like the idea that Nikyu, Gomu, Dragon fruits were all 'controled' by government yet were lost again by them.
I actually really like the idea of dragons carrying Uranus's ship, especially because of Vegapumk attamptimg to recreate it, and Ryuma's story. But still, I don't think it's actually real, after all Ryuma was from 400 years ago(apparently?) and Oda said it's the same Ryuma from monster, in that case, the dragon couldn't have been sent by Imu (I have read Monsters). And Vegapunk recreating it was just a way to have a '2 dragon fight', and it was never hinted that it was a request from world gov, more Vegapunk going into his research. Also images from Lulusia didn't really hint at dragons. So even if it looked cool, I think it's more plausible for Uranus to be energy based.
The fact that people are considering that Uranus could have something to do with actual dragons is cool.
Some prefer that it's just the flame of the dragons. How about......
The dragons are still controlling the ship to this day. Imu enslaved them, and they're sad and downtrodden. Luffy decides to free them, tying into the themes of liberation and helping the oppressed, then turns Uranus against Imu or something.
You could say that imu is a reflection of the sea that's why their name backwards is umi and why they control the sky kings and Uranus
I would like to contribute more… Lily was the person who had control over the dragon and her successor is obviously Vivi D Nefertari, our nakama! And thats why Imu had her just next to Luffy and Shirahoshi, also because every location of the weapons is spoken in the country of the user who control it, so the Arabasta poneglypgh would be like the poneglyph of Wano so the successor knows what to do. Furthermore, Imu could be the Myth inside Lily’s Body and the first thing she tried when Imu had control over the dragon was to destroy Wano and lost it. I think Imu had to be from the Ancient Kingdom and maybe after a deadly fight where she almost dies like Joyboy, changed into Lilis body to control the dragon after the letter was found (Lily betrayed the ancient kingdom and joined Imu, maybe she was undercover all along or she regrets betraying Joyboy). I think mother flame is the artificial energy made by Vegapunk to replace the person controlling the Ship, maybe the original energy was from Joyboy like the ancient robot. It’s an amazing and Mind Blowing theory!! Nice video!!
Did anyone else watch the anime last night how did shanks haki grow arms lmao
The theory goat is back!! Totally forgot Dolfy mentioned body swapping!!!! It all fits.