Like you said, Caymus is indeed the poster child for "lab winemaking". The issue with Caymus is this...why spend $100 for Caymus when I can spend $20 on Educated Guess or some other run of the mill $20 Napa cab that tastes just like Caymus. You hit the nail on the head, it's not a serious wine...so since it's not a serious wine, why pay a serious price? I guess consumers just buy because of the name... Anyways...great video, and thank you for your time and knowledge. I love the history you bring into all of your videos. Enjoy the big game. Cheers!
Thank you for viewing my review and your comments. I actually don't think their winemaking style is a negative...it is consumer friendly, consistent and highly rated each year. I actually love drinking it although it would not be something I would drink all the time. But for something like Super Bowl weekend, I think it is great! My view is that when you are paying for higher priced wines, it is no longer solely about taste. That is why most people can never understand why anyone would ever pay more than $40 for a wine. You are paying (in part) for the story, the history and the brand appeal. It is a controversial wine that people either really like or dislike but my point is that you don't have to like or dislike it all the time and that doesn't preclude you from drinking other Napa wines that are totally the opposite in style. The Wagners have purposely made the wine to taste like this and you gotta admit, it is a very popular style of wine that people enjoy
@@TrophyWineHunter I agree with you, it is a popular wine. I know many, many people who drink it, but I just think their regular cab is overpriced for what you get. The Special Selection in years past has been quite a joy to drink, however, not so much as of recent.
@@sc3434 Yes, I would agree that it is not a value wine. It is pretty hefty in terms of price but I think people need to drink both Caymus and Special Selection at least once, if you have the means. Enjoy your comments and feedback!
Had this at a restaurant and liked it, bought a bottle and it was completely different. I’d like to age a few bottles but don’t think it’s worth the price
Empress Pisces: thank you for viewing my channel and your comment. Are you talking about regular Caymus or Caymust Special Selection? Not surprised as noise and light have a huge impact on wine taste. When you tasted at home, was it by yourself? What about the wine was different/that you didn't like when you were at home? That is why wine reviewers/rating are not really that accurate and the most accurate rating are when you are drinking with friends at a restaurant. If you are thinking of aging the wine, I would think Special Selection is worth aging more than Caymus regular. Special Selection will soften a lot with 10 years of age and drinks way different from Special Selection just bought from stores. Hope this helps. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!
Tried Caymus (regular) multiple times and never liked it. Have you tried Palmaz Vineyards cabernet sauvignon? It is the consensus favorite among my family members and would love to know what you think!
depo: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. No, I have never tried Palmaz...I don't think we get it up here. Caymus is a wine that evokes strong opinions..you either love it or hate it. On the sweeter side and represents and represent an older style interpretation of Napa Cab. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
I tend not to like sweeter wines, but the main reason I wouldn't by Caymus is that demand has made it so expensive. It seems as if the most important reason for the average wine-lover to gain knowledge is to be able to identify high-quality wines whose price has not been seriously distorted by demand.
anthony: I understand where you are coming from but I still think it is worth a try for yourself. Personally, Caymus is not my favourite but I think it is fair value for the price. I don't see a lot of Napa Cabs with this type of intensity of fruit at lower prices. Cheers!
@@anthonyodonnell6105 you are right but when I look at "value", I also look at what people think when I serve it to them.. I don't think you can drink wine in a vacuum so you do have to take into account the "Trophy" or status of the wine. That does have some value. Same thing when you drive a Tesla or a BMW...you could drive a Honda Civic but there is some value to this and we can't not take this into account.. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunter I totally understand that. I've been on a bit of a journey to get a basic understanding of Bordeaux, and that's both expensive and prestigious. Both have value to oneself and as a host. At the same time as I'm on that journey, I'm trying to learn to find those wines, especially in the U.S. and Washington, where I live, who approach maximum quality but whose prices haven't been driven up by demand. Great names in wine have off years, and some relatively obscure wines can be very good. Today I'm mixing it up with a more prestigious Crozes-Hermitage (Le Clos, 2019) than the one I tried a couple of weeks ago, as well as a Washington Bordeaux blend of which Jeb Dunnuck said, "Trust me, this will pass undetected in a blind lineup of top Bordeaux," having given it 97+ points. Whatever that's worth, it should at least be quite good. And, yes, I know they're both young, but what is one going to try, in order to figure out what to put down?
This use to be my special occasion wine, but with recent vintages I’ve been completely disappointed. I’ve tried three different times and all were mediocre. My guess is some will love the style but I do not believe it’s a good value any longer and will never purchase it again.
bodacious bull: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I think you are correct...there has been a change in style. Sounds like you prefer the older, more Bordeaux like style? Funny because I think Bordeaux wines, until recently, were beginning to taste more Napa like. So what is your new special occasion wine? Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!
Got a bottle of Caymus 2018 for $70 (not including tax) and despite some negative reviews on it, this sounds like the type of wine i like. Im into more fruity wines and normally only drink sauvignon blanc
Zack: thank you for viewing my video and your comments. Let me know what you think when you drink the Caymus. It is full bodied but very fruity, Hopefully you got the 2018 vintage as 2017 and 2019 may not be as good. Cheers!
@@jf7910 thank you for viewing my channel and your comment. Just want to understand your comment so I can respond...are you saying 2016 is the best vintage (compared to 2017 or 2018) and there is a huge difference between the regular or special selection? Cheers!
Michael: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I don't know, I think 91 pts is a pretty good score for any wine so and it is just my personal rating. Let me know what you think when you open your 2013. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
I really like the 2019 vintage for fruity flavor and smoothness. Right out of the bottle without decanting 2020 is more oaky compared to 2019 but still has medium to heavy body and smooth and tad bit sweet. For 73 dollar retail i don't know if it is worth the price. For intermediate drinkersand beginner drinkers this is a fantastic wine to try. BV George De La Tour cost was 60 13 years ago and now it is 125. Stags leap wine cellar artemis went up by 20 dollars in one year. Price is going up too fast.
Thank you for viewing my video and your comments. I agree it is a terrific pop and open wine. It is getting up there in price so it is your individual opinion whether it is worth it or not. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
thanks bigboymarket for viewing my channel and your comments. We can't get Hall here but we can get Austin Hope, which is about 25% cheaper than Caymus. I actually liked the Caymus as probably I had low expectations (didn't expect to like it). Probably also influenced by the story of the family history, as I think it is great that they were one of the pioneers. I think I have drank Austin Hope before but my recollection is that it is a more modern style of California Cab (comes from Paso Robles, right?) but I enjoyed it. My recollection is that is not as fruit sweet as Caymus and a bit more alcohol content so it would not be a wine that fits my personal taste profile as much. But always interested in other people's view of the wines I review. Cheers and keep watching!
Like you said, Caymus is indeed the poster child for "lab winemaking". The issue with Caymus is this...why spend $100 for Caymus when I can spend $20 on Educated Guess or some other run of the mill $20 Napa cab that tastes just like Caymus. You hit the nail on the head, it's not a serious wine...so since it's not a serious wine, why pay a serious price? I guess consumers just buy because of the name...
Anyways...great video, and thank you for your time and knowledge. I love the history you bring into all of your videos. Enjoy the big game. Cheers!
Thank you for viewing my review and your comments. I actually don't think their winemaking style is a negative...it is consumer friendly, consistent and highly rated each year. I actually love drinking it although it would not be something I would drink all the time. But for something like Super Bowl weekend, I think it is great! My view is that when you are paying for higher priced wines, it is no longer solely about taste. That is why most people can never understand why anyone would ever pay more than $40 for a wine. You are paying (in part) for the story, the history and the brand appeal. It is a controversial wine that people either really like or dislike but my point is that you don't have to like or dislike it all the time and that doesn't preclude you from drinking other Napa wines that are totally the opposite in style. The Wagners have purposely made the wine to taste like this and you gotta admit, it is a very popular style of wine that people enjoy
@@TrophyWineHunter I agree with you, it is a popular wine. I know many, many people who drink it, but I just think their regular cab is overpriced for what you get. The Special Selection in years past has been quite a joy to drink, however, not so much as of recent.
@@sc3434 Yes, I would agree that it is not a value wine. It is pretty hefty in terms of price but I think people need to drink both Caymus and Special Selection at least once, if you have the means. Enjoy your comments and feedback!
I am sorry, there are no $20 wine will ever taste same or even come close to Caymus.
@@jf7910 There is no $20 wine that will come close to Caymus? You must not drink too much wine.
Had this at a restaurant and liked it, bought a bottle and it was completely different. I’d like to age a few bottles but don’t think it’s worth the price
Empress Pisces: thank you for viewing my channel and your comment.
Are you talking about regular Caymus or Caymust Special Selection? Not surprised as noise and light have a huge impact on wine taste. When you tasted at home, was it by yourself? What about the wine was different/that you didn't like when you were at home? That is why wine reviewers/rating are not really that accurate and the most accurate rating are when you are drinking with friends at a restaurant.
If you are thinking of aging the wine, I would think Special Selection is worth aging more than Caymus regular. Special Selection will soften a lot with 10 years of age and drinks way different from Special Selection just bought from stores.
Hope this helps. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!
Tried Caymus (regular) multiple times and never liked it. Have you tried Palmaz Vineyards cabernet sauvignon? It is the consensus favorite among my family members and would love to know what you think!
depo: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. No, I have never tried Palmaz...I don't think we get it up here. Caymus is a wine that evokes strong opinions..you either love it or hate it. On the sweeter side and represents and represent an older style interpretation of Napa Cab. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
It would be interesting to know why you didn't like it.
I tend not to like sweeter wines, but the main reason I wouldn't by Caymus is that demand has made it so expensive. It seems as if the most important reason for the average wine-lover to gain knowledge is to be able to identify high-quality wines whose price has not been seriously distorted by demand.
anthony: I understand where you are coming from but I still think it is worth a try for yourself. Personally, Caymus is not my favourite but I think it is fair value for the price. I don't see a lot of Napa Cabs with this type of intensity of fruit at lower prices. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunter I appreciate the response, but I have to say it's hard to see Caymus' price as not influenced by the great demand for it.
@@anthonyodonnell6105 you are right but when I look at "value", I also look at what people think when I serve it to them.. I don't think you can drink wine in a vacuum so you do have to take into account the "Trophy" or status of the wine. That does have some value. Same thing when you drive a Tesla or a BMW...you could drive a Honda Civic but there is some value to this and we can't not take this into account.. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunter I totally understand that. I've been on a bit of a journey to get a basic understanding of Bordeaux, and that's both expensive and prestigious. Both have value to oneself and as a host. At the same time as I'm on that journey, I'm trying to learn to find those wines, especially in the U.S. and Washington, where I live, who approach maximum quality but whose prices haven't been driven up by demand. Great names in wine have off years, and some relatively obscure wines can be very good. Today I'm mixing it up with a more prestigious Crozes-Hermitage (Le Clos, 2019) than the one I tried a couple of weeks ago, as well as a Washington Bordeaux blend of which Jeb Dunnuck said, "Trust me, this will pass undetected in a blind lineup of top Bordeaux," having given it 97+ points. Whatever that's worth, it should at least be quite good. And, yes, I know they're both young, but what is one going to try, in order to figure out what to put down?
This use to be my special occasion wine, but with recent vintages I’ve been completely disappointed. I’ve tried three different times and all were mediocre. My guess is some will love the style but I do not believe it’s a good value any longer and will never purchase it again.
bodacious bull: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I think you are correct...there has been a change in style. Sounds like you prefer the older, more Bordeaux like style? Funny because I think Bordeaux wines, until recently, were beginning to taste more Napa like. So what is your new special occasion wine? Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!
@Chucky Gold thank you for viewing my video and comment. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!
Got a bottle of Caymus 2018 for $70 (not including tax) and despite some negative reviews on it, this sounds like the type of wine i like. Im into more fruity wines and normally only drink sauvignon blanc
Zack: thank you for viewing my video and your comments. Let me know what you think when you drink the Caymus. It is full bodied but very fruity, Hopefully you got the 2018 vintage as 2017 and 2019 may not be as good. Cheers!
16 is the best not even close for both the regular and special edition
@@jf7910 thank you for viewing my channel and your comment. Just want to understand your comment so I can respond...are you saying 2016 is the best vintage (compared to 2017 or 2018) and there is a huge difference between the regular or special selection? Cheers!
91 points is pretty low. I just find out I have a 2013 caymus. I hope it didn't corked.
Michael: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I don't know, I think 91 pts is a pretty good score for any wine so and it is just my personal rating. Let me know what you think when you open your 2013. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
I really like the 2019 vintage for fruity flavor and smoothness. Right out of the bottle without decanting 2020 is more oaky compared to 2019 but still has medium to heavy body and smooth and tad bit sweet. For 73 dollar retail i don't know if it is worth the price. For intermediate drinkersand beginner drinkers this is a fantastic wine to try. BV George De La Tour cost was 60 13 years ago and now it is 125. Stags leap wine cellar artemis went up by 20 dollars in one year. Price is going up too fast.
Thank you for viewing my video and your comments. I agree it is a terrific pop and open wine. It is getting up there in price so it is your individual opinion whether it is worth it or not. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
2017 2018 caymus straight no good...
I rather spend my $ with Austin Hope and Hall Cab...
thanks bigboymarket for viewing my channel and your comments. We can't get Hall here but we can get Austin Hope, which is about 25% cheaper than Caymus. I actually liked the Caymus as probably I had low expectations (didn't expect to like it). Probably also influenced by the story of the family history, as I think it is great that they were one of the pioneers. I think I have drank Austin Hope before but my recollection is that it is a more modern style of California Cab (comes from Paso Robles, right?) but I enjoyed it. My recollection is that is not as fruit sweet as Caymus and a bit more alcohol content so it would not be a wine that fits my personal taste profile as much. But always interested in other people's view of the wines I review. Cheers and keep watching!