On the one hand we shouldn't endorse burning people at the stake for having a slightly different opinion with you. But on the other hand considering how much Henry and his inner circle put her and her mother through, I think it's a miracle she didn't turn out worse than she did.
well she did turn out to be wrost I think she was a bad queen the only one who deserves so much better was Catherine of aragon they were sepreated and I felt so sad for them
If she had reigned long enough to succeed in reconverting the nation to Catholicism, she probably would've been remembered as much better. But she didn't
History calls Mary I, "Bloody Mary," and one of the most evil queens to exist, but I don't think Mary was evil. I think Mary became the way she was because of her father. She went from being the apple of her parents' eyes to being shunned, rejected, psychologically & verbally abused and isolated from anyone who would've shown her love and affection. Katherine of Aragon and Margaret Pole are the only two people who ever showed unconditional love to Mary, and Henry purposely kept her away from them to make them all suffer. Not to mention that he didn't even try to protect his daughter when Anne Boleyn fell into the "wicked stepmother" trope. If anything, Henry further encouraged it. That would give anyone serious daddy issues, and it showed in how desperate she was to find love in her adult life when she married Phillip. He was her husband, and even he couldn't give her the love she needed and was searching for because he felt nothing for her. Furthermore, I think there was much more motive for Mary to return England to Catholicism than just her belief that it was the true religion. I think Mary held the church so dear to her because, if you think about it, Catholicism gave her what the people in her life didn't. The church didn't abandon her. The Pope openly spoke of support for her & Katherine during the divorce, plus it was a connection to her mother. Katherine was extremely pious and passed that onto her daughter, so I think that made the religion even more special to Mary. I just hope now that her spirit has found the peace that she didn't get in life. With her mother. RIP to them both ❤
I agree 100%. I even think that if England remained Catholic, most of the English people today would be more religious, albeit not as religious as in the 1500's.
It’s actually insane to think of a 13 year old boy with more power than all the adults in the room combined fighting so badly with his 34 year old sister they both cry 😭
All things considered, I think Elizabeth was a good sister to Mary. I feel like all the imprisonment Mary gave Elizabeth was more due to paranoia from Mary's court than actual distain towards Elizabeth. Mary wouldn't name Elizabeth her heir and Elizabeth wouldn't have thrown an elaborate funeral for Mary if the sisters were not in good terms.
Mary did begged to buried next to catherine though elizabeth mocked her request. Though elizabeth had no intention of meeting her again when james moved her remains, ironically james ended like mary when he was buried under henry ( mary father who divorced catherine though mary still enjoy a better grave compared to henry😅
@@teokimching4115 Elizabeth couldn't give Mary that funeral because Mary wanted to be buried next to her mother with her mother's inscription being the Queen of England. That meant recognising CoA as queen and that would deem Elizabeth illegitimate when her claim to throne was that she was a legitimate child of Henry 8
Had Mary not gone through the trauma in her early life. And had her father just named her his heir. She probably would have been one of England’s greatest monarchs
I'm not sure: despite the fact she was brilliant, Mary was not a politician. She was naive woman. Even her closest friend, Susan, (by convincong her to give her expensive gifts, acorging to the Venetian ambassador). She trusted the pope would welcome england back, but once her husband fought france the new pope abandond England. She believed that her subjects would accept her marriage to Philip II. And that is while she is aware to the dirty game if politics, thanks to all her fathers swings. If she would have been raised by stable family and was sorrunded by flatterers all her life, I can't imagine how much more naive she would have been.
I always find it interesting that Mary I never tried to blame Henry VIII and always blamed Anne Boleyn. It’s seems she was convinced that Henry was naive when in reality he knew what he was doing
I think she was always trying to get her father’s love that she had during her childhood back so she couldn’t even conceive of blaming him for her pain. She had a perfect villains in Anne and Cranmer.
@@TheSeptemberSapphireThere is also the effectiveness of Tudor PR. She very well knew, like her sister, that badmouthing the King would make her already dicy situation precarious because the small folk and many at court still loved Henry. Elizabeth never spoke of her mother, but supposedly kept her iconic B pearls on her person. Plus the never marrying bit would indicate her father made her distrust men. But never a negative word about him passed her lips lest she be looked down upon the people she had to convince she had royal control over.
I think the only reason she blamed Anne was because she COULD blame Anne. Ecspeailly after her death. Critisising the King wasn't the smartest idea. She was almost killed by her father and just barely let back into his good graces. After she became queen however, it became more evident that she haboured resentment against him. In her will, she paid for prayers to be said for her, her mother, and several of her ansestors. Henry was noticeably absent from the list.
Margaret Pole wasn’t executed just because she refused to swear the Oath of Supremacy, and her execution also occurred years after Catherine’s death and Anne’s execution. In fact, Henry was married to his fifth wife, Catherine Howard when Margaret was executed. Margaret’s execution had more to do with her son, Reginald Pole, who had become a cardinal (and would later serve as Mary’s Archbishop of Canterbury) and his continued opposition to Henry’s religious reforms. Reginald was abroad, so Henry couldn’t go after him directly, so instead he had Margaret, her two other sons, Henry, Baron Montagu and Geoffrey, along with Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter, another royal cousin, implicated in a conspiracy against him.
I always think about if Henry and Catherine’s first child (a son) actually lived to adulthood and succeeded his father. That would’ve changed history entirely. Also, it makes you sympathize with Mary due to what she experienced. Because of her father’s obsession with wanting a son, and misogyny, she witnessed the annulment of her parents marriage and her mother’s isolation from court. Also, her stepmother, based on the video, didn’t make it any better and watched her sister receive more love from their father than she.
I mean of course we'll never know who would be monarch today if that child, Prince Henry would have had offspring to succeed him. What I wonder though is what if the son lived to adulthood but had no children to carry on? In that scenario King Henry and Queen Catherine would have likely never divorced and England may still be Catholic today. Maybe Mary would still succeed then (assuming she'd survive her brother) but her succession would not have been as controversial.
@@Hendrik_McSims that’s a good point, especially putting emphasis on a Catholic England. If that was the case, England could’ve possibly been united with Spain if Mary was still engaged to and married to Phillip and if they were to have children of their own. But if their son would’ve lived, and have children who also produced a longer line, the Tudor Dynasty gone on longer than it did and the sequence that we have up to today wouldn’t have happened the way it did. But as you said, we would never know but it makes you think for sure.
@@sqseq1237 I thought Mary was his second child. Henry, Duke of Cornwall, was Henry VIII and Catherine’s first son that was born during the earliest part of their marriage.
2:28 The baby Catherine was pregnant with during her battle was actually a short lived son also named Henry who lived a few hours. It is said in a record, "A male heir was born and will inherit the crown, the other son having died." I can't really tell why some say he was stillborn and was not. The next son in 1514 was still born.
It’s still so heart breaking. Only one of their children lived past infancy, and wasn’t still born. Catherine was a tough woman to deal with that, lead troops in battle , and refused to let Henry divorce her.
It's kind of ironic that Henry desired a male air all the time, only for it to turn out that his own daughter Elizabeth became one of the greatest monarchs of the world.
Mary I was a woman and queen ahead of her time, along with her mother. Despite all the suffering she endured, Mary remained headstrong and faithful and at last became Queen
Mary was undoubtedly as much of a victim as she was a perpetrator, because how do you honestly go from being a favourite daughter to being cast aside like a piece of trash? Even her gripe with the new protestant faith of the land is veritably rooted in trauma. This isn't me trying to excuse the cruelties that Mary exacted on her political opponents but in an age where the king's word was law, fear was a powerful tool of the monarchs of old. Also not to excuse the poor behaviour of Henry VIII either, but if there was one thing that he did right was to instill a love of music and dance and arts in his children, and I'd posit that without that abundance of courtly music and dance and art that England and the UK would have wound up completely different to how it is today.
Cancer can be genetic a lot of the time. But if I'm not mistaken, Catherine had breast cancer. And Mary's was likely uterine cancer, as in one of her phantom pregnancies her belly expanded in what was likely a tumor.
Elizabeth, her sister, took no pleasure in executions and often didn't have a choice since many people threatened her reign. However, Mary killing Prostestants and hurting them because of their religion was bad. In a way, Mary I was both a villain and a victim.
@lilpenny1982 I did some research and Mary killed more people than Elizabeth. For Mary, sources debate between 284 and 300. For Elizabeth, it was less than 200. She was also more moderate than Mary.
She also killed more people in a shorter amount of time, and she killed ordinary people rather than prominent church leaders or evangelists. Henry and Elizabeth were also able to plead, “They’re against me politically,” which Mary did not.
I hope her reputation gets restored- in addition to all you said here, John Fox’s book of martyrs serves as the main source for the numbers of Protestants burned, and he was a part of the anti-Catholic propaganda Elizabeth and her successors utilised, partially to blacken Mary’s reputation, and his book is known to have errors. Looking at diaries from people living in England at the time, the number is lower (I haven’t finished all the diaries yet and still have to compare the informations each have, but generally the number is much lower than that given by Fox. Have a nice week!!
@@CanadianMonarchist but he was wrong about a lot. It’s like believing Thomas More’s historical works with no further evidence to back up what he says- I love More, but he was a Tudor propagandist and, unfortunately, a bad Historian- the many known errors in his work mean we need more than his word to believed what he wrote, and the same applies to Fox.
@@lfgifu296 I would doubt things that Fox wrote if the Catholics presented evidence that it didn’t happen. Nicholas Sandys wrote a refutation of Fox, but considering his description of Anne Boleyn as a dead ringer for Nanny McPhee I wouldn’t say everything Sandys said actually happened. The notion of history as approaching the evidence as if from space really only goes back to Von Ranke.
@@CanadianMonarchist Oh, yes, Sandys was as bad a source as Fox was- two opposite ends of the same stick-, and we can’t take what he says as true unless it matches what we know to be true, but from the diaries I read, written at the time Mary was Queen, and some even by Protestants, the numbers are little more than half of what Fox claims
I always suspected that Fox was a propagandist, but I dont have the money to spend on reading reading the primary sources to find evidence. Let me know what you find out!
I think Queen Mary I was just painted by the Elizabethans as the villain queen. In a way, Mary was very headstrong and really clawed her way to the top. It's just sad what happened to her and Queen Catherine with Henry VIII's obsession. Had her older brother been alive to succeed VIII, things would have turned differently. By the way, if i were Mary, i would have sent men to get a male baby that is unwanted and raise him as her own.
Thank you for your efforts. Had Katherine stepped aside, yes Mary may have remained in the line of succession but would have been bumped down with every other child born. This is what Katharine was trying to avoid and wanted to allow her daughter her birth right. Anne wasn’t beheaded just because she didn’t give Henry a son but also because she behaved inappropriately as a queen which was ok as a mistress but not as Queen. She publicly challenged the king and said inappropriate things to others. Still not a justification for her harsh end but the issue is more complex than simply not producing a son. According to records and contemporary evidence of conversations, Henry did send men to persuade Mary to sign, however he certainly did not instruct them to beat her to death! This is in reference to a comment made by one of his men who indicated how he would deal with her himself had she been his daughter. Mary was not called Bloody Mary during her reign but in Elizabeth’s, mainly thanks to John Fox’s The Actes and Monuments. It appears that Elizabeth’s lavish spending on Mary’s funeral was more of a show for herself to look good since she did honor the one thing Mary asked, to be buried with her mother. Not only this but Elizabeth has herself buried above Mary in her tomb in the Lady Chapel with her own effigy, barely acknowledging that Mary is there
The passage Henry obsessed over doesn’t say that you should not marry your brother’s widow. “If a man marries his brother’s wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.” - Leviticus 20:21 (NIV) It means that you should not sleep with your brother’s wife while he is still living. There are many other biblical verses that state that a man should marry his brother’s widow. Deuteronomy 25:5 (ESV) “ If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.” Mathew 22: 24 (ESV) “ saying, “Teacher, Moses said, “If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.” Genesis 38:8-10 (NIV) ”Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.“
poor mary she truly deserved better, i do think that history has disturbed her image a little bit. People forget that her sister Elizabeth also did a lot of pretty questionable stuff, but mary is the only one that gets the shit for it.
I think the most fair metric to measure just how "bloody" Mary was in comparison to other rulers is to go off the same time frame. How many people did Henry execute in his first five years? Elizabeth? Hell, lets throw in her little brother Edward for giggles. And there's also the matter of circumstances. Mary came to the throne in a MESS of a situation, and public executions were what a monarch DID in these circumstances. All things considered, I doubt Mary was any better or worse a monarch than any of her contemporaries. All Kings Are Bastards.
Mary's reign had a few notable parallels with Henry's, namely how they both executed people for religious reasons and how they both struggled to conceive an heir. I don't condone Mary's actions, but it is important to recognize that she was the product of Henry's narcissism. Being separated from her mother, watching her father prioritize an unborn son over her and Elizabeth, enduring normalized misogyny and mistreatment for years. It makes sense that her upbringing resulted in her becoming the woman that she became. Plus, history has a overarching tendency to blame all faults on women, so the misogyny point still stands. All in all, Mary's legacy is a product of her being -- for lack of a better word -- misunderstood.
If you are going through all the major Queens of the UK I am so waiting for Queen Anne because like Mary, her historical legacy is not that nice but is also not all fully true. Anne is known for being the fat, old, sickly, lesbian queen who let the men in her court walk all over her and run her country for her but actually she was a very good queen. she fought off several foreign invasions, was the monarch who actually united the UK under the Acts Of Union making it what it is today and she was a very astute and competent military strategist. I am hugely anti monarchist but lets give Anne her moment in the sun. Justice of Queen Anne. her actual story deserves to be told.
You manage to pack SO much amazing info into your content. It’s awesome! I always look forward to your content. And you're such an incredible story teller girl! I could hear you talk about milk and still have a great time! Thanks lindsay! Speaking of Queens can you cover Queen Anne of Great Britain?
Great and thorough vid. As far as relations go, I think women can understand it much easier. I get so confused as to who was related to whom and how. I remember both Elizabeth movies, starring fantastic Kate Blanchette, sorry but I liked them both, but couldn't keep track. Sorry it is not your lack of explanation, but maybe when I watch it a second time, I will catch on. Good think you didn't throw in Mary Queen of Scots, that would have been too much, I still don't understand why she thought she was queen. One thing that really impresses me, is how cruel these people were, it is amazing. THANKS
I imagine the common people might also have preferred Mary over Jane because she had much better international connections (being related to many royal houses through her mother).
I’m surprised that Elizabeth didn’t bury her sister next to her mother Catherine, which was her final request. I know they didn’t get along very well but you think that Elizabeth could have given her sister at least that.
I appreciate that your writing focuses on the historic figures as making the best decisions they can as people, especially in regards to each other. Aside from one book (nostalgia for how I first learned about Elizabeth I), I find the more reliable history books are very fair to each figure and not trying to unnecessarily villainize anyone. There was a kid's Princesses book in particular that did it super well where the chapter began with Mary I and ended with Elizabeth I (and well celebrating the feats and strength of both!)
Her father and sister also persecuted and executed people who had "different opinions", specially regarding religion. Funny how people tend to forget this (particularly the Elizabeth part) when they are talking about the "terrible horrible psychopath Bloody Mary".
Elizabeth had one of the most tolerant religious policies of the time. Elizabeth generally only executed people who directly threatened her reign and life by rebelling. She also didn’t burn people alive. She executed about 4 people a year, Mary executed about 58
@@emilybarclay8831 People often say Elizabeth was tolerant and did not kill Catholics for being Catholic but for being traitors. But the point is that she had made the pratice of Catholicism an act of high treason. Catholic masses were forbidden and a priest who celebrated one could be sentenced to death because of that. Elizabeth was in no way tolerant. She simply called her victims «traitors» instead of calling them «heretics».
@@libiusperseus actually, the supremacy act of 1558 repealed Mary’s heresy laws and made it so that only directly violating Scripture could be considered heresy. Under Elizabethan law, as long as you attended service on the appointed days, you could practise whatever version of Christianity you wanted behind closed doors. Elizabeth only executed those who rose against her in rebellion and those people fully knew that would be their fate when they rose up. Because no shit. That’s how feudalism works. She executed around 180 people throughout her 44 year reign. I’m sure you can do the math and realise that makes 4 people a year. Mary executed around 287 in 5 years, including 30 who died in prison. That’s just over 63 people per year.
@@emilybarclay8831 I don't know if your comment is sad or funny. You do not even seem to realize the meaning of what you are writing. You cannot practice Catholicism «behind close doors». The mass is the heart of Catholic life. Elizabeth had forbidden it. Attending a Catholic mass was punishable by a fine of one hundred marks. Celebrating or organizing the celebration of a Catholic mass was punishable by death. And, yes, Elizabeth had imposed to attend to Anglican services. In other words, Elizabeth tolerated Catholics... as long as they practiced Anglicanism and did not practice Catholicism. This is not tolerance at all. There were some tolerant rulers at this time. Mary Queen of Scots was tolerant. Catherine de Medici and her sons were tolerant. Elizabeth was not. Also, I notice that, when you counted Elizabeth's victims, you did not take into account the bloodshed in Ireland.
She wasn’t evil just religiously misguided and severely abused, like the stress and trauma she went through from being a cherished princess to illegitimate and some half assed recognized. Like her burning was a super duper no no it’s like look what happened that put her there
Honestly, she didn't do anything different than other protestants when they were in power, and burning catholics at the stake. It was the time where religious prosecution was the way, and anytime a monarch with a different religion came to power, they would prosecute those with different beliefs. And this lasted for more than a century, all the way to the Stuarts. If only Catherine had agreed to retire to a covent. She would have likely had a generous pension and right to see her daughter. Mary would still be legitimate, and probably would be married and have children, not wasting her fertile years.
Hi Lindsay, can you please make a video about Diane de Poitiers? She is also a very interesting historical character, and I would like to know more about her from your as always amazing videos!
Honestly, out of all the messed up stuff Henry did, keeping Mary away from her mother and not letting her even attend her funeral might be the worst IMO
Absolutely. And I think Elizabeth refusing to allow Mary to be buried with her mother when she died was one of the most blatantly cruel things she did. She had no reason to deny her sister that.
yes, I have been waiting for this one. Mary I is my favourite Queen regnant she is so interesting and complex. she should be called Mary The Catholic or Mary The Pioneer.
You should tell the backstory origin and family tree of Winston Churchill! You mentioned that he did have royal or high noble blood for be a prime minister during world war 2.
Isn't there also a biblical passage about a brother's obligation to care for his brother's widow? I always found Henry VIII's selective interpretation of the bible very narrow-minded, despite the typical attitudes of the time. Always a good video, Lindsey.
Yes, he was cherry picking for bias confirmation/excuse making. He was very much not being a good christian husband to, if I'm being honest, any of his wives
Yes! The one that is always mentioned is very clearly talking about a *living* brother, none of it has ever made any sense but alas that’s the “protestant way” of reading the bible, interpret it as you wish… and so he did! 😅
@@jonatikaWwe you pretty much can. You can use it to justify slavery, human trafficking, child marriage, genocide, etc and also use it to combat those ideas
I thought that Catherine didn't want to give up her position because it would give up Mary's position. I don't know why you said Mary would still have been legitimate. Also what makes you say she wasn't actually devout? No one knows her actual thoughts and feelings on religion. I'm glad you defended her, but it would have clarified things to say that the victorious Protestants named her Bloody Mary.
Copied this from someone else I replied to... I'm starting to think these videos are researched using Chatgpt or some other program. A good deal of things aren't researched well and there are so many mispronunciations and errors.
There were plenty of people who opposed her. They were afraid that if Catholicism was restored they might have to return the goods and properties that had been stolen from the Church by Henry 8
Mary is overlooked and in the shadows of her half sister Elizabeth,they both had sad and traumatic childhoods,but Mary did have it just a tiny weensy bit easier because Henry Vlll was a bit kinder to Mary than with Elizabeth,but it must have been traumatic for Mary seeing her mother abandoned even though she did nothing wrong.
Great video, but i think your timeline is off on when Margaret Pole was executed. She was killed in 1541, which means she died later on in the timeline of your video.
I'm starting to think these videos are researched using Chatgpt or some other program. A good deal of things aren't researched well and there are so many mispronunciations and errors.
Yep. Everything I've read says that the baby's cause of death is unknown. Miss Holiday might've been confused. There WAS a prince Henry, the son of King James I and Anne of Denmark, who DID die of an intestinal malady.🤔
Yeah when you look at how many executions Mary ordered, she wasn’t the worst of the Tudors 😁 On another note, I don’t recall any TV dramas or films being produced about Mary I but someone correct me if I’m wrong!
On the one hand we shouldn't endorse burning people at the stake for having a slightly different opinion with you. But on the other hand considering how much Henry and his inner circle put her and her mother through, I think it's a miracle she didn't turn out worse than she did.
well she did turn out to be wrost I think she was a bad queen
the only one who deserves so much better was Catherine of aragon they were sepreated and I felt so sad for them
If she had reigned long enough to succeed in reconverting the nation to Catholicism, she probably would've been remembered as much better. But she didn't
@@шеыwow no poor mary
You people always justify violence and perversion.
Look what they did to her governess for being loyal....
History calls Mary I, "Bloody Mary," and one of the most evil queens to exist, but I don't think Mary was evil. I think Mary became the way she was because of her father.
She went from being the apple of her parents' eyes to being shunned, rejected, psychologically & verbally abused and isolated from anyone who would've shown her love and affection. Katherine of Aragon and Margaret Pole are the only two people who ever showed unconditional love to Mary, and Henry purposely kept her away from them to make them all suffer. Not to mention that he didn't even try to protect his daughter when Anne Boleyn fell into the "wicked stepmother" trope. If anything, Henry further encouraged it. That would give anyone serious daddy issues, and it showed in how desperate she was to find love in her adult life when she married Phillip. He was her husband, and even he couldn't give her the love she needed and was searching for because he felt nothing for her.
Furthermore, I think there was much more motive for Mary to return England to Catholicism than just her belief that it was the true religion. I think Mary held the church so dear to her because, if you think about it, Catholicism gave her what the people in her life didn't. The church didn't abandon her. The Pope openly spoke of support for her & Katherine during the divorce, plus it was a connection to her mother. Katherine was extremely pious and passed that onto her daughter, so I think that made the religion even more special to Mary.
I just hope now that her spirit has found the peace that she didn't get in life. With her mother. RIP to them both ❤
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I agree 100%. I even think that if England remained Catholic, most of the English people today would be more religious, albeit not as religious as in the 1500's.
Very accurate take, I might add
@@lilpenny1982 Thank you 😁
It’s actually insane to think of a 13 year old boy with more power than all the adults in the room combined fighting so badly with his 34 year old sister they both cry 😭
Like an adult woman who is less powerful than her kid brother bro I would cry too
All things considered, I think Elizabeth was a good sister to Mary. I feel like all the imprisonment Mary gave Elizabeth was more due to paranoia from Mary's court than actual distain towards Elizabeth. Mary wouldn't name Elizabeth her heir and Elizabeth wouldn't have thrown an elaborate funeral for Mary if the sisters were not in good terms.
Mary did begged to buried next to catherine though elizabeth mocked her request. Though elizabeth had no intention of meeting her again when james moved her remains, ironically james ended like mary when he was buried under henry ( mary father who divorced catherine though mary still enjoy a better grave compared to henry😅
@@teokimching4115 Elizabeth couldn't give Mary that funeral because Mary wanted to be buried next to her mother with her mother's inscription being the Queen of England. That meant recognising CoA as queen and that would deem Elizabeth illegitimate when her claim to throne was that she was a legitimate child of Henry 8
Lol. That's not true. Family often go against their true emotions just to look good in public. Especially royalty.
Had Mary not gone through the trauma in her early life. And had her father just named her his heir. She probably would have been one of England’s greatest monarchs
I'm not sure: despite the fact she was brilliant, Mary was not a politician. She was naive woman. Even her closest friend, Susan, (by convincong her to give her expensive gifts, acorging to the Venetian ambassador). She trusted the pope would welcome england back, but once her husband fought france the new pope abandond England. She believed that her subjects would accept her marriage to Philip II. And that is while she is aware to the dirty game if politics, thanks to all her fathers swings. If she would have been raised by stable family and was sorrunded by flatterers all her life, I can't imagine how much more naive she would have been.
I always find it interesting that Mary I never tried to blame Henry VIII and always blamed Anne Boleyn. It’s seems she was convinced that Henry was naive when in reality he knew what he was doing
I think she was always trying to get her father’s love that she had during her childhood back so she couldn’t even conceive of blaming him for her pain. She had a perfect villains in Anne and Cranmer.
@@TheSeptemberSapphireThere is also the effectiveness of Tudor PR. She very well knew, like her sister, that badmouthing the King would make her already dicy situation precarious because the small folk and many at court still loved Henry.
Elizabeth never spoke of her mother, but supposedly kept her iconic B pearls on her person. Plus the never marrying bit would indicate her father made her distrust men. But never a negative word about him passed her lips lest she be looked down upon the people she had to convince she had royal control over.
Mary was the biggest daddies girl. Anne wasn't fully to blame for her parents divorce. He was gonna divorce Cathrine sooner or later anyways.
I think the only reason she blamed Anne was because she COULD blame Anne. Ecspeailly after her death.
Critisising the King wasn't the smartest idea. She was almost killed by her father and just barely let back into his good graces.
After she became queen however, it became more evident that she haboured resentment against him. In her will, she paid for prayers to be said for her, her mother, and several of her ansestors. Henry was noticeably absent from the list.
You must remember that Henry VIII was a staunch proponent of the Catholic Church right until they wouldn’t grant him his political divorce.
Margaret Pole wasn’t executed just because she refused to swear the Oath of Supremacy, and her execution also occurred years after Catherine’s death and Anne’s execution. In fact, Henry was married to his fifth wife, Catherine Howard when Margaret was executed. Margaret’s execution had more to do with her son, Reginald Pole, who had become a cardinal (and would later serve as Mary’s Archbishop of Canterbury) and his continued opposition to Henry’s religious reforms. Reginald was abroad, so Henry couldn’t go after him directly, so instead he had Margaret, her two other sons, Henry, Baron Montagu and Geoffrey, along with Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter, another royal cousin, implicated in a conspiracy against him.
I always think about if Henry and Catherine’s first child (a son) actually lived to adulthood and succeeded his father. That would’ve changed history entirely.
Also, it makes you sympathize with Mary due to what she experienced. Because of her father’s obsession with wanting a son, and misogyny, she witnessed the annulment of her parents marriage and her mother’s isolation from court. Also, her stepmother, based on the video, didn’t make it any better and watched her sister receive more love from their father than she.
I mean of course we'll never know who would be monarch today if that child, Prince Henry would have had offspring to succeed him.
What I wonder though is what if the son lived to adulthood but had no children to carry on? In that scenario King Henry and Queen Catherine would have likely never divorced and England may still be Catholic today. Maybe Mary would still succeed then (assuming she'd survive her brother) but her succession would not have been as controversial.
@@Hendrik_McSims that’s a good point, especially putting emphasis on a Catholic England. If that was the case, England could’ve possibly been united with Spain if Mary was still engaged to and married to Phillip and if they were to have children of their own.
But if their son would’ve lived, and have children who also produced a longer line, the Tudor Dynasty gone on longer than it did and the sequence that we have up to today wouldn’t have happened the way it did.
But as you said, we would never know but it makes you think for sure.
Henry, Duke of Cornwall was Henry VIII's second child.
@@sqseq1237 I thought Mary was his second child. Henry, Duke of Cornwall, was Henry VIII and Catherine’s first son that was born during the earliest part of their marriage.
@@sqseq1237unless you count the miscarriage at 6 months on 31 January 1510, he was their first child
2:28 The baby Catherine was pregnant with during her battle was actually a short lived son also named Henry who lived a few hours. It is said in a record, "A male heir was born and will inherit the crown, the other son having died." I can't really tell why some say he was stillborn and was not. The next son in 1514 was still born.
It’s still so heart breaking. Only one of their children lived past infancy, and wasn’t still born. Catherine was a tough woman to deal with that, lead troops in battle , and refused to let Henry divorce her.
It's kind of ironic that Henry desired a male air all the time, only for it to turn out that his own daughter Elizabeth became one of the greatest monarchs of the world.
You mean according to the English xD and she wasnt that great but her reputation has made her greater than she actually was.
Mary I was a woman and queen ahead of her time, along with her mother. Despite all the suffering she endured, Mary remained headstrong and faithful and at last became Queen
Ehhh, she was still a burking religious zealot.
I jump with joy when you upload Lindsay!! That too about the Tudors!?! 😭😭 This is the kind of therapy i didn't know I needed.
Mary was undoubtedly as much of a victim as she was a perpetrator, because how do you honestly go from being a favourite daughter to being cast aside like a piece of trash? Even her gripe with the new protestant faith of the land is veritably rooted in trauma. This isn't me trying to excuse the cruelties that Mary exacted on her political opponents but in an age where the king's word was law, fear was a powerful tool of the monarchs of old. Also not to excuse the poor behaviour of Henry VIII either, but if there was one thing that he did right was to instill a love of music and dance and arts in his children, and I'd posit that without that abundance of courtly music and dance and art that England and the UK would have wound up completely different to how it is today.
Poor Jane Grey really had a rough end
There has been several movies about Elizabeth I. Wish there was a movie about Mary I and her life.
Huh, I forgot Catherine of Aragon died of cancer. I wonder if it ran in her family, seeing as how Mary died of it, too.
Cancer can be genetic a lot of the time. But if I'm not mistaken, Catherine had breast cancer. And Mary's was likely uterine cancer, as in one of her phantom pregnancies her belly expanded in what was likely a tumor.
@theashwoodfaerieheart cancer? Is that even a thing? I’ve never heard of that
@@janeyrevanescence12When she was opened up, her heart had a large black growth on it. I've always wondered if poison could do that.
@@blahblahblahblah729yes! But still…a cancer is a cancer. Indeed, it ran in their genetics.
she wasn't worse than any of the other Tudors to be honest--her executions were just a lot more visceral than her predecessors and successor.
I don’t know about that honestly, during Henry the 8th’s reign he was BOILING people
Elizabeth, her sister, took no pleasure in executions and often didn't have a choice since many people threatened her reign. However, Mary killing Prostestants and hurting them because of their religion was bad. In a way, Mary I was both a villain and a victim.
Queen Elizabeth I ordered far more harsher sentences and executed far more people than what Queen Mary I did.
@lilpenny1982 I did some research and Mary killed more people than Elizabeth. For Mary, sources debate between 284 and 300. For Elizabeth, it was less than 200. She was also more moderate than Mary.
She also killed more people in a shorter amount of time, and she killed ordinary people rather than prominent church leaders or evangelists. Henry and Elizabeth were also able to plead, “They’re against me politically,” which Mary did not.
I hope her reputation gets restored- in addition to all you said here, John Fox’s book of martyrs serves as the main source for the numbers of Protestants burned, and he was a part of the anti-Catholic propaganda Elizabeth and her successors utilised, partially to blacken Mary’s reputation, and his book is known to have errors. Looking at diaries from people living in England at the time, the number is lower (I haven’t finished all the diaries yet and still have to compare the informations each have, but generally the number is much lower than that given by Fox.
Have a nice week!!
Fox was a propagandist, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was wrong about everything.
@@CanadianMonarchist but he was wrong about a lot. It’s like believing Thomas More’s historical works with no further evidence to back up what he says- I love More, but he was a Tudor propagandist and, unfortunately, a bad Historian- the many known errors in his work mean we need more than his word to believed what he wrote, and the same applies to Fox.
@@lfgifu296 I would doubt things that Fox wrote if the Catholics presented evidence that it didn’t happen. Nicholas Sandys wrote a refutation of Fox, but considering his description of Anne Boleyn as a dead ringer for Nanny McPhee I wouldn’t say everything Sandys said actually happened. The notion of history as approaching the evidence as if from space really only goes back to Von Ranke.
@@CanadianMonarchist Oh, yes, Sandys was as bad a source as Fox was- two opposite ends of the same stick-, and we can’t take what he says as true unless it matches what we know to be true, but from the diaries I read, written at the time Mary was Queen, and some even by Protestants, the numbers are little more than half of what Fox claims
I always suspected that Fox was a propagandist, but I dont have the money to spend on reading reading the primary sources to find evidence.
Let me know what you find out!
I think Queen Mary I was just painted by the Elizabethans as the villain queen.
In a way, Mary was very headstrong and really clawed her way to the top. It's just sad what happened to her and Queen Catherine with Henry VIII's obsession. Had her older brother been alive to succeed VIII, things would have turned differently.
By the way, if i were Mary, i would have sent men to get a male baby that is unwanted and raise him as her own.
And ironic because Elizabeth killed way more Catholics for stupid reasons….
I’ve been binge watching your videos for days now and I’m so happy to see a new post
Thank you for your efforts. Had Katherine stepped aside, yes Mary may have remained in the line of succession but would have been bumped down with every other child born. This is what Katharine was trying to avoid and wanted to allow her daughter her birth right. Anne wasn’t beheaded just because she didn’t give Henry a son but also because she behaved inappropriately as a queen which was ok as a mistress but not as Queen. She publicly challenged the king and said inappropriate things to others. Still not a justification for her harsh end but the issue is more complex than simply not producing a son. According to records and contemporary evidence of conversations, Henry did send men to persuade Mary to sign, however he certainly did not instruct them to beat her to death! This is in reference to a comment made by one of his men who indicated how he would deal with her himself had she been his daughter. Mary was not called Bloody Mary during her reign but in Elizabeth’s, mainly thanks to John Fox’s The Actes and Monuments. It appears that Elizabeth’s lavish spending on Mary’s funeral was more of a show for herself to look good since she did honor the one thing Mary asked, to be buried with her mother. Not only this but Elizabeth has herself buried above Mary in her tomb in the Lady Chapel with her own effigy, barely acknowledging that Mary is there
The passage Henry obsessed over doesn’t say that you should not marry your brother’s widow.
“If a man marries his brother’s wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.”
- Leviticus 20:21 (NIV)
It means that you should not sleep with your brother’s wife while he is still living. There are many other biblical verses that state that a man should marry his brother’s widow.
Deuteronomy 25:5 (ESV)
“ If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.”
Mathew 22: 24 (ESV)
“ saying, “Teacher, Moses said, “If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.”
Genesis 38:8-10 (NIV)
”Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.“
Right?! When I first heard the story I couldn’t help but thinking that was dumb of him 😂
@@jonatikaWweeven I knew this and I'm wiccan☠️
Another Queen video! Thanks! You're the Queen of naration! You could talk about drying paint and the video would be fantastic! 👸👸👸👸👸👸👸
poor mary she truly deserved better, i do think that history has disturbed her image a little bit. People forget that her sister Elizabeth also did a lot of pretty questionable stuff, but mary is the only one that gets the shit for it.
Mary's story is so sad. She deserved better...
As cruel and vindictive as they could be they certainly didn't give Henry the 8th the wrong children.
Thank you ❤
Love Mary, one of my fav Tudor/historical figures. So underrated and misunderstood.
I highly doubt a 2 year old ever said that in a complete sentence.
I think the most fair metric to measure just how "bloody" Mary was in comparison to other rulers is to go off the same time frame. How many people did Henry execute in his first five years? Elizabeth? Hell, lets throw in her little brother Edward for giggles. And there's also the matter of circumstances. Mary came to the throne in a MESS of a situation, and public executions were what a monarch DID in these circumstances.
All things considered, I doubt Mary was any better or worse a monarch than any of her contemporaries. All Kings Are Bastards.
Not all Henry iv was good
Mary's reign had a few notable parallels with Henry's, namely how they both executed people for religious reasons and how they both struggled to conceive an heir. I don't condone Mary's actions, but it is important to recognize that she was the product of Henry's narcissism. Being separated from her mother, watching her father prioritize an unborn son over her and Elizabeth, enduring normalized misogyny and mistreatment for years. It makes sense that her upbringing resulted in her becoming the woman that she became. Plus, history has a overarching tendency to blame all faults on women, so the misogyny point still stands. All in all, Mary's legacy is a product of her being -- for lack of a better word -- misunderstood.
If you are going through all the major Queens of the UK I am so waiting for Queen Anne because like Mary, her historical legacy is not that nice but is also not all fully true. Anne is known for being the fat, old, sickly, lesbian queen who let the men in her court walk all over her and run her country for her but actually she was a very good queen. she fought off several foreign invasions, was the monarch who actually united the UK under the Acts Of Union making it what it is today and she was a very astute and competent military strategist. I am hugely anti monarchist but lets give Anne her moment in the sun. Justice of Queen Anne. her actual story deserves to be told.
You manage to pack SO much amazing info into your content. It’s awesome! I always look forward to your content. And you're such an incredible story teller girl! I could hear you talk about milk and still have a great time! Thanks lindsay! Speaking of Queens can you cover Queen Anne of Great Britain?
Great and thorough vid. As far as relations go, I think women can understand it much easier. I get so confused as to who was related to whom and how. I remember both Elizabeth movies, starring fantastic Kate Blanchette, sorry but I liked them both, but couldn't keep track. Sorry it is not your lack of explanation, but maybe when I watch it a second time, I will catch on. Good think you didn't throw in Mary Queen of Scots, that would have been too much, I still don't understand why she thought she was queen.
One thing that really impresses me, is how cruel these people were, it is amazing.
THANKS
I imagine the common people might also have preferred Mary over Jane because she had much better international connections (being related to many royal houses through her mother).
OH!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!! YOU DID A VIDEO !!!! OH MY GOD! MARY THE FIRST!!?!?!??!?! I'm so HAPPY
I’m surprised that Elizabeth didn’t bury her sister next to her mother Catherine, which was her final request. I know they didn’t get along very well but you think that Elizabeth could have given her sister at least that.
great work lindsay! for the next queens of the world video can you do Mary II of england all good if not but other then that great viedo!
Yes! She and Anne will be later this spring!
I appreciate that your writing focuses on the historic figures as making the best decisions they can as people, especially in regards to each other. Aside from one book (nostalgia for how I first learned about Elizabeth I), I find the more reliable history books are very fair to each figure and not trying to unnecessarily villainize anyone. There was a kid's Princesses book in particular that did it super well where the chapter began with Mary I and ended with Elizabeth I (and well celebrating the feats and strength of both!)
Thank You Lindsay!🩷
Thank you! ❤Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Her father and sister also persecuted and executed people who had "different opinions", specially regarding religion. Funny how people tend to forget this (particularly the Elizabeth part) when they are talking about the "terrible horrible psychopath Bloody Mary".
Right? I just commented that. They persecuted catholics too. Henry, in particular, executed one of the brightest man of his time, Thomas More.
Elizabeth had one of the most tolerant religious policies of the time. Elizabeth generally only executed people who directly threatened her reign and life by rebelling. She also didn’t burn people alive. She executed about 4 people a year, Mary executed about 58
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People often say Elizabeth was tolerant and did not kill Catholics for being Catholic but for being traitors.
But the point is that she had made the pratice of Catholicism an act of high treason. Catholic masses were forbidden and a priest who celebrated one could be sentenced to death because of that.
Elizabeth was in no way tolerant. She simply called her victims «traitors» instead of calling them «heretics».
@@libiusperseus actually, the supremacy act of 1558 repealed Mary’s heresy laws and made it so that only directly violating Scripture could be considered heresy. Under Elizabethan law, as long as you attended service on the appointed days, you could practise whatever version of Christianity you wanted behind closed doors.
Elizabeth only executed those who rose against her in rebellion and those people fully knew that would be their fate when they rose up. Because no shit. That’s how feudalism works. She executed around 180 people throughout her 44 year reign. I’m sure you can do the math and realise that makes 4 people a year. Mary executed around 287 in 5 years, including 30 who died in prison. That’s just over 63 people per year.
@@emilybarclay8831
I don't know if your comment is sad or funny. You do not even seem to realize the meaning of what you are writing.
You cannot practice Catholicism «behind close doors». The mass is the heart of Catholic life. Elizabeth had forbidden it. Attending a Catholic mass was punishable by a fine of one hundred marks. Celebrating or organizing the celebration of a Catholic mass was punishable by death.
And, yes, Elizabeth had imposed to attend to Anglican services.
In other words, Elizabeth tolerated Catholics... as long as they practiced Anglicanism and did not practice Catholicism. This is not tolerance at all.
There were some tolerant rulers at this time. Mary Queen of Scots was tolerant. Catherine de Medici and her sons were tolerant. Elizabeth was not.
Also, I notice that, when you counted Elizabeth's victims, you did not take into account the bloodshed in Ireland.
I can’t help but feel bad for Mary the 1 of England
I've been waiting for this one!!!!!!! Can't wait until after wirk
She wasn’t evil just religiously misguided and severely abused, like the stress and trauma she went through from being a cherished princess to illegitimate and some half assed recognized. Like her burning was a super duper no no it’s like look what happened that put her there
Early! Love your videos! Specially the english history ones! You're amazing! You always make My day!😊😊😊❤❤❤
“Are you the Dauphin? If so, I want to kiss you.” 😂 😂😂
Idk if it’s been mentioned on the channel but this series reminds me of the ‘Horrible Histories’ song with monarchs.
Hes so cold taking Mary away from her
Honestly, she didn't do anything different than other protestants when they were in power, and burning catholics at the stake. It was the time where religious prosecution was the way, and anytime a monarch with a different religion came to power, they would prosecute those with different beliefs. And this lasted for more than a century, all the way to the Stuarts.
If only Catherine had agreed to retire to a covent. She would have likely had a generous pension and right to see her daughter. Mary would still be legitimate, and probably would be married and have children, not wasting her fertile years.
Thank you so much for the videos. im so excited for the next video!!💓 ❤💗 ❤
Hi Lindsay, can you please make a video about Diane de Poitiers? She is also a very interesting historical character, and I would like to know more about her from your as always amazing videos!
Can you do Catherine Howard next?
IM SO EXCITED!!!
i love anything Tudor related!
Honestly, out of all the messed up stuff Henry did, keeping Mary away from her mother and not letting her even attend her funeral might be the worst IMO
Absolutely. And I think Elizabeth refusing to allow Mary to be buried with her mother when she died was one of the most blatantly cruel things she did. She had no reason to deny her sister that.
Shout out to Prince Arthur (Henry 8th older brother) cus if he hadn't died then ....
She was BLOODY GORGEOUS
God bless Queen Mary I and Queen Catherine of Aragon. #catholic
Christ is King
I never knew she had 2 phantom pregnancies wow thank uuuuu as always for ur videos
Can you please do a full detailed video on Katherine Howard
yes, I have been waiting for this one. Mary I is my favourite Queen regnant she is so interesting and complex. she should be called Mary The Catholic or Mary The Pioneer.
I understand the sentiments expressed down below; she had to carry an unreasonable amount of baggage from her early years.
OMG! I have recently found your account and I wish I have found you sooner! I would have loved to come with you to Scotland and NERD out
I love her story 💯
awesome video though Would yo u upload a video concern about Queen Elizabeth I please.
You should tell the backstory origin and family tree of Winston Churchill! You mentioned that he did have royal or high noble blood for be a prime minister during world war 2.
You should do more videos on ancient china and historical Russia 😭❤️ I’m such a huge fan!!
Actually, Henry killed a lot more people than Mary did!
I don't see why Mary had too execute Lady Jane Grey. She was used by her family and put on the throne not by choice.
@@dawnnichols927Jane's death was the condition that Mary needed to fulfill if she wanted to marry Phillip II of Spain!
Poor Jane, she had terrible luck!
Isn't there also a biblical passage about a brother's obligation to care for his brother's widow? I always found Henry VIII's selective interpretation of the bible very narrow-minded, despite the typical attitudes of the time.
Always a good video, Lindsey.
Yes, he was cherry picking for bias confirmation/excuse making. He was very much not being a good christian husband to, if I'm being honest, any of his wives
You can use the bible to justify literally any viewpoint.
@@emilybarclay8831literally no lol
Yes! The one that is always mentioned is very clearly talking about a *living* brother, none of it has ever made any sense but alas that’s the “protestant way” of reading the bible, interpret it as you wish… and so he did! 😅
@@jonatikaWwe you pretty much can. You can use it to justify slavery, human trafficking, child marriage, genocide, etc and also use it to combat those ideas
Did Catherine of Aragon accidentally bring in women's education, so that the wonderfully educated Anne Boleyn could take her hubby?
I thought that Catherine didn't want to give up her position because it would give up Mary's position. I don't know why you said Mary would still have been legitimate. Also what makes you say she wasn't actually devout? No one knows her actual thoughts and feelings on religion. I'm glad you defended her, but it would have clarified things to say that the victorious Protestants named her Bloody Mary.
Copied this from someone else I replied to...
I'm starting to think these videos are researched using Chatgpt or some other program. A good deal of things aren't researched well and there are so many mispronunciations and errors.
There were plenty of people who opposed her. They were afraid that if Catholicism was restored they might have to return the goods and properties that had been stolen from the Church by Henry 8
Mary is overlooked and in the shadows of her half sister Elizabeth,they both had sad and traumatic childhoods,but Mary did have it just a tiny weensy bit easier because Henry Vlll was a bit kinder to Mary than with Elizabeth,but it must have been traumatic for Mary seeing her mother abandoned even though she did nothing wrong.
I just love this series
Listening to historical gossip heals me like you have no idea, Lindsay. Thank you for uploading
Great video, but i think your timeline is off on when Margaret Pole was executed. She was killed in 1541, which means she died later on in the timeline of your video.
Can you please make a video about the great fire of London
At least she has a delicious cocktail named after her.
Why do you use a portrait of Arbella Stuart when discussing Mary Tudor as a small girl?
I'm starting to think these videos are researched using Chatgpt or some other program. A good deal of things aren't researched well and there are so many mispronunciations and errors.
Thank you so much ❤
Englands very first Queen regnant, defender of the one true faith ❤
Yes
Yes 🙌
Didn't Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth the First kill more people than Mary did?
Yes, but they ruled for decades and Mary didn’t even rule for ten years.
29:27 that is the first time I saw Mary's painting, she looked sad on that one.
😮 2:25 - WHOA!! Lindsay, what is your primary source reference for this statement? The cause of death for Prince Henry, Duke of Cornwall is unknown?!
Yep. Everything I've read says that the baby's cause of death is unknown. Miss Holiday might've been confused. There WAS a prince Henry, the son of King James I and Anne of Denmark, who DID die of an intestinal malady.🤔
Bloody Mary, my favorite drink.
I wish there was more kindness to her so she didn´t turn out like this. Young Mary did nothing wrong.
Pleaze do Katherine Howard
Will do, when Firebrand comes out this summer!
@@LindsayHolidayFirebrand is about Catherine Parr though
That isn't a picture of Mary. It is a picture of Arabella Stuart.
Heh, swallowed up by the Hapsburgs. Was that an unintentional Hapsburg jaw joke?
I was under the impression that Queen Mary and King William were the only joint monarchs of England. Do Mary and Philip not count?
can you do one on the Salem and European witch trials please? :)
3:50 That’s Arbella Stuart
Have a great Time in Scotland!!!!
Mary was quite homely.
Margaret Pole would make a great video
Yeah when you look at how many executions Mary ordered, she wasn’t the worst of the Tudors 😁 On another note, I don’t recall any TV dramas or films being produced about Mary I but someone correct me if I’m wrong!
Why wasn’t Henry VIII named Bloody Henry ? He k’d just as many, probably more.
Because even just his name is notorious. He was bad enough that no king has been named Henry since. His name is synonymous with tyrant.
The victorious Protestants named her Bloody Mary
@@melodyclark1944 she did burn 54 people a year. Not exactly a peaceful woman.
(Not counting Matilda) but wasn't she the first queen to be queen in her own right? (IE; Not be a queen consort)
According to Wikipedia, the first queen regnant was Pharaoh Sobekneferu of ancient Egypt. Mid 18th century bc.
It’s an honor to be this early ❤️❤️
No wonder everybody hated Mary so much, they were glad that she's passed away after she was being miserable.
History is written by the victors. Elizabeth I committed atrocities just ad Mary did but that is not commonly taught🤷🏻♀️