As an Ultramarines player I rather use Gladius and just put six in an Impulsor or a Repulsor Executioner. Use the stratagem Honor the Chapter for 1CP to give them Lance (+1 on Wound roll) and in assault doctrine also an extra -1AP. Cheap and deadly. If they get threatened to die in close combat the Stratagem Only In Death Does Duty End can also work miracles. Btw don't forget that Grenades keyword!
I like them in the Vanguard detachment with a Judiciar that has The Blade Driven Deep enhancement to give them Infiltrate. Basically a cheaper option than the Calgar one you mentioned. Just stick them on an objective in cover as your first drop and it's difficult to shoot or fight them off of it. If they're still alive mid/late game and you have something else available to cover their objective, you can move them out and there usually isn't enough killing power left on the opposing side to deal with them. Edit: I just remembered you can use the Deadly Prize strat for 1 CP to sticky it and move off if you want.
@@marwie2598 Couldn't you make that same argument for any unit though? Just about everything can go in a transport. But the main reason I use it is to get them into scoring position earlier than you would otherwise with a transport. They require an immediate response or you'll start racking up primary points. And because they're durable against both shooting and combat opponents may end up overextending if they do try to eliminate them.
Been happy with a LT and Ragnar Blackmane, too... The last couple battles, I've taken 6, with Ragnar and LT in a repulsor (with 3 eradicators inside the repulsor). My opponent's Deathwing Knights didn't know what hit them. The attached Chaplain in terminator armor did, taking 2 wounds. Bjorn, however, felt that Chaplain was just a tasty snack to finish off
Great video. I got some bgv at the start of summer. I converted an old lieutenant off ebay into an ancient and have a judiciar. I know i can't run both, but i like both models so will choose. Super thrilled with the impulsor upgrade to 7 models. We run white scars successor. We won't be super competitive but this is giving me ideas for us to try. Keep up the good work!
Consider adding a chaplain with your BA BGVs, then you can take both parts of the stratagem and immediately clense the battleshock. Plus S6 attacks with a +1 to wound is pretty darn good
In the BA LAG detachment, what I have play tested is actually having the Bladeguard Ancient with Speed of the Primarch. When you use Savage Echoes for +1 Atks / +1 Str (or Both at cost of being Battleshock), you elect elect both. Then you use the BG Ancient ability to give yourself an additional +1 atks. Then you pop the Speed of the Primarch and elect reroll hits of 1. In total you are looking at 36 atks (for a 6 man unit) at S6. Now in my play testing I have also brought a Lt w/ Combi-Weapon and elected whatever objective they are sitting on to get the reroll wounds of 1. Which imo if you are running Space Marines or any flavor and you are not running a Lt w/ Combi-Weapon, why? TLDR, 36 atks pretty meant that a 5 man Terminator equivalent unit + character was normally slain.
haha cheers buddy! this was actually take 4 today !! Once audio was not connected, once was corrupted, 3rd time i didnt hit record bwahahaha. Most frustrating video ive ever pushed out
Nice to see the BGV getting some love. I haven't played them yet in 10th edition because as a Black Templar player, I had better options. However, now that sword brethren cost the same as BGV (only without the invuln) and the impulsor can take 6 dudes with a character, the BGV are looking competitive. I wouldn't pair them with Tannheuser's bones, since there is usually something else that needs it more, like the 20 crusader blob, but the judiciar is a great choice. If you could take BGV with High Marshall Helbrecht, you would see them a lot in competitive play.
In black templars you could do two impulsors, one with helbrecht and a lt w/ sword bros the other with bladeguard and your choice of character w/ Sigismund's seal and pick accept any challenge. With a lt or the strat I'm not sure how the math works out but like the sword bros they probably overkill most targets and don't need oath to do it. Haven't tried but just thinking about not using uphold, rolling 6+++ all the time drags the game out a bit. Of course you can just put Sigismund's seal on a big brick of assault terminators but they can be pretty awkward to move around and avoid getting screened.
A squad of 6 with saga of the beast slayer and go for the throat can sometimes kill tanks in one turn on a charge, almost always does a good amount of wounds. I team it with a judiciar and black death and it's a really strong anti vehicle/monster kill team.
BGVs are replacing VVets now, at least in BAs, I'm exploring running 2 bricks coming out of a Land Raider Redeemer with 1 squad being led by a Lt, the other led by a Judiciar
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yes, it pops up here and there. It is still good, Bringers has just been drowning everything out because it's so braindead and imba. Maybe that'll change now, tho I'm not sure. Cassies, Immos and Dominions are in no way strictly BoF units, after all. I think most people will continue to play Bringers.
I'm going to run them with the fights first chaplain in lag because it'll also be able to undo battle shock if I need something to succumb to the red thirst for strats and +1 to wound built in doesn't hurt lol
BA LAG led by chaplain with FF enhancement, get their +2S/1A buff on the charge BUT get +1 to wound all the time WHEN CHARGED can play savage echoes for +1S/1A and fight first with +1 to wound so still S6/5A mincing a squad of termis charging them wounding on 2s. Can use the chaplains auto pass battleshock for using both buffs of savage echoes too.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 wouldnt say its having to jump through hoops, get charged play the strat. Itmoreso gives them a better defensive profile if charged, being S6 with +1 to wound fighting first is a decent buff to what their base stat's are. I don't consider SE or RR bad strats per se, I think it's quite thematic and having chaplain the downside of using both effects isn't as much of a concern. Also the opposite side of the coin, when charging only need the lethal hits part of RR. BA have quite alot of options for only needing 1 or the other part of their strats and cases when you're going full ham with a unit being battleshocked probably isn't a concern 😂
Blood Angels LT with BgV is soooooo strong. Just give them the 1PG Fight First and all of a sudden they’re better than Judiciar. Plus you’re saving yourself on Strats. The free fall back / charge + Lethals is huge1
Imo, making Shield of the chapter an Invul Save reroll is pretty good because its a CP that doesn't have to be used on AOC, especially against AP2 melee
Well, I don't know if there is any other ability that allows the free rerolling of Invulnerable Saves, but I do wish that Shields of the Chapter should at least have been full Invul Save rerolls rather than reroll 1's but a full saving throw reroll would indeed have been awesome
Been playing the Adrax Combo alot in Firestorm, opting for the Ancient instead of the Lt. because it's cheaper. The Unit basically takes out everything it touches when it charges but is much too expensive imo because it cannot take a punch in retalliation at all. You will at best, and that's already a stretch, trade 1 to 1 and then they are gone. So all in all you pay loads for the unit and its delivery system to get a tactical missile. They just need to get cheaper, then we're talking, especially when ICC are the same cost but are straight up better.
Hello Sir, just discovered your channel and I have a lot to learn from you, but if it is not too much trouble, could you tell me where I might find a Blood angel like the one shown in your Blood Angels piece on Blade Guard?
As a BA main. I’d like to see the priest attached, making them a unique unit like BT. 5+FNP -3AP. If you wanted to go all out fluff, add captain. Give the priest FF an cap sustained hits 3 🤤
A lot of people have been talking about using a Chaplain to "instantly" unbattleshock. As far as I can tell, you can't immediately remove battleshock as the Chaplain rule states "at the START of any phase", so it would be at the start of the NEXT phase if you battleshock during the current phase. If I'm reading it right then, IF you charged and used both parts of Red Rampage to kill an enemy unit on an objective, you would not be able to unbattleshock until your opponent's Command Phase (the start of the next phase), so you would not be able to score? Am I understanding this correctly?
correct, it is effectively "immediately" as far as BA are concerned. They are saying you can use them to allow yourself to be battleshocked in the charge phase to allow a bad strategem to function, and then unbattle shock yourself in the fight phase once per game so you are not screwed
For inner circle detachment, is there actually a character that youncan put the 6" consolidate enhancement on that can also join bgv? I thought it was only terminator models that had the deathwing keyword 🤔
What about space wolves? Blackmane is pretty good giving advance and charge. If you look at it choose either the fnp, sustained, or lethal hits as your saga and you can get the other sagas throughout the game.
Dark angels have the flatly superior inner circle, so they don’t take bladeguard. I do like the Salamanders one (im a salamander), running it without the LT and it’s still quite good
BA in LAG as leader a Chaplin for +1 to Wound and the once per Battle not Battleshock ability and the FF enhancment the ability is realy good when you get charged use the Savage Echoes strategem so you can get both benefits +1S and +1A and then just remove the BS
Tiny correction, it's actually "Oath of Moment", not "of the Moment". The phase "of moment" means something of great importance or weight, like "momentous".
they really do not hit hard, unless you buff them in one of the ways i presented. S5 ap2 dmg2 with no rr is not hard hitting. but luckily there are many ways to improve that
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 They have the same profile as melee warriors, with a prime (which you've discussed), they hit hard (but die quite quickly). My friends make them top priority targets (alongside my genestealers +Broodlord). Freeing up my other units to smash them.
@@meanestgreen3320giving more oc hardly matters when Adrax is halving the OC of the enemy. And lethal hits is going to add more damage than +1 attack. If you just think the banner is cool go for it, but the Lt. Is the better choice.
You’re missing the new meta for BA LAG detachment. Runa chaplain with speed of the primarch for once per game fights first, whilst also having +1 to wound. If anyone charges them pop the strat for +1 attack and strength receiving an attack. Chaplain removes the battleshock and activates fights first. That’s 6A at Str 6 each with +1 to wound, re roll 1s to hit and -2, 2. On the charge they get the +1A and +2 Str, with +1 to wound. Leadership is 5 bc chaplain. It should be a core pick for LAG Blood Angels 🩸
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 17 Hoops? It's a single enhancement on a popular character that helps to cleanse battleshock and gives +1 to wound. Then pop a 1cp strat if you get charged at any point. It's hardly a stretch. You can do it anytime in the game, don't have to be on or near an objective. But if you want to charge a T11 knight into my bladeguard and watch them fight first and wound it on 4s that's fine by me 😀
When this video pops up right as I'm painting my bladeguard veterans
perfect
Just finished my six man 5 days ago
What chapter did you paint them as?
As an Ultramarines player I rather use Gladius and just put six in an Impulsor or a Repulsor Executioner. Use the stratagem Honor the Chapter for 1CP to give them Lance (+1 on Wound roll) and in assault doctrine also an extra -1AP. Cheap and deadly. If they get threatened to die in close combat the Stratagem Only In Death Does Duty End can also work miracles. Btw don't forget that Grenades keyword!
yes all of that stacks with the combos presented :)
I like them in the Vanguard detachment with a Judiciar that has The Blade Driven Deep enhancement to give them Infiltrate. Basically a cheaper option than the Calgar one you mentioned.
Just stick them on an objective in cover as your first drop and it's difficult to shoot or fight them off of it.
If they're still alive mid/late game and you have something else available to cover their objective, you can move them out and there usually isn't enough killing power left on the opposing side to deal with them.
Edit: I just remembered you can use the Deadly Prize strat for 1 CP to sticky it and move off if you want.
totally a choice as well.
Why waste blade driven deep for a unit that you can put in impulsor (or other transport)?
@@marwie2598 Couldn't you make that same argument for any unit though? Just about everything can go in a transport.
But the main reason I use it is to get them into scoring position earlier than you would otherwise with a transport. They require an immediate response or you'll start racking up primary points. And because they're durable against both shooting and combat opponents may end up overextending if they do try to eliminate them.
Been happy with a LT and Ragnar Blackmane, too... The last couple battles, I've taken 6, with Ragnar and LT in a repulsor (with 3 eradicators inside the repulsor). My opponent's Deathwing Knights didn't know what hit them. The attached Chaplain in terminator armor did, taking 2 wounds. Bjorn, however, felt that Chaplain was just a tasty snack to finish off
Great video. I got some bgv at the start of summer. I converted an old lieutenant off ebay into an ancient and have a judiciar. I know i can't run both, but i like both models so will choose. Super thrilled with the impulsor upgrade to 7 models. We run white scars successor. We won't be super competitive but this is giving me ideas for us to try. Keep up the good work!
I have 12 and I'm very proud of them. They're a different chapter than my Blood Angels, but I don't care, they're getting fielded!
heck yeah, flex them
Consider adding a chaplain with your BA BGVs, then you can take both parts of the stratagem and immediately clense the battleshock. Plus S6 attacks with a +1 to wound is pretty darn good
it is an option
It actually becomes S7, so it makes it so you can wound T12 units on 4s which works pretty well, and +1 attack is spicy.
In the BA LAG detachment, what I have play tested is actually having the Bladeguard Ancient with Speed of the Primarch. When you use Savage Echoes for +1 Atks / +1 Str (or Both at cost of being Battleshock), you elect elect both. Then you use the BG Ancient ability to give yourself an additional +1 atks. Then you pop the Speed of the Primarch and elect reroll hits of 1.
In total you are looking at 36 atks (for a 6 man unit) at S6.
Now in my play testing I have also brought a Lt w/ Combi-Weapon and elected whatever objective they are sitting on to get the reroll wounds of 1.
Which imo if you are running Space Marines or any flavor and you are not running a Lt w/ Combi-Weapon, why?
TLDR, 36 atks pretty meant that a 5 man Terminator equivalent unit + character was normally slain.
decent combo!
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haha cheers buddy! this was actually take 4 today !! Once audio was not connected, once was corrupted, 3rd time i didnt hit record bwahahaha. Most frustrating video ive ever pushed out
Nice to see the BGV getting some love. I haven't played them yet in 10th edition because as a Black Templar player, I had better options. However, now that sword brethren cost the same as BGV (only without the invuln) and the impulsor can take 6 dudes with a character, the BGV are looking competitive. I wouldn't pair them with Tannheuser's bones, since there is usually something else that needs it more, like the 20 crusader blob, but the judiciar is a great choice. If you could take BGV with High Marshall Helbrecht, you would see them a lot in competitive play.
cheers bud, yeah you never would take them with tannhausers certainly, this video was about what you CAN do not what you would though!
In black templars you could do two impulsors, one with helbrecht and a lt w/ sword bros the other with bladeguard and your choice of character w/ Sigismund's seal and pick accept any challenge. With a lt or the strat I'm not sure how the math works out but like the sword bros they probably overkill most targets and don't need oath to do it. Haven't tried but just thinking about not using uphold, rolling 6+++ all the time drags the game out a bit. Of course you can just put Sigismund's seal on a big brick of assault terminators but they can be pretty awkward to move around and avoid getting screened.
its an option.
As others have said, Judiciar and blade driven deep here as well. But i run raven guard and they hold my midfield generally.
They are fun in champions of Russ, you can get them all kind of melee buffs
A squad of 6 with saga of the beast slayer and go for the throat can sometimes kill tanks in one turn on a charge, almost always does a good amount of wounds. I team it with a judiciar and black death and it's a really strong anti vehicle/monster kill team.
BGVs are replacing VVets now, at least in BAs, I'm exploring running 2 bricks coming out of a Land Raider Redeemer with 1 squad being led by a Lt, the other led by a Judiciar
i am considering it as well
"+1 to hit and wound when you lose models is a bad rule"
Sister Brenda and her Multimelta would like a word with you.
have you seen any competitive players taking that detachment since the codex was released?
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yes, it pops up here and there. It is still good, Bringers has just been drowning everything out because it's so braindead and imba. Maybe that'll change now, tho I'm not sure. Cassies, Immos and Dominions are in no way strictly BoF units, after all. I think most people will continue to play Bringers.
I'm going to run them with the fights first chaplain in lag because it'll also be able to undo battle shock if I need something to succumb to the red thirst for strats and +1 to wound built in doesn't hurt lol
sure, that works
BA LAG led by chaplain with FF enhancement, get their +2S/1A buff on the charge BUT get +1 to wound all the time WHEN CHARGED can play savage echoes for +1S/1A and fight first with +1 to wound so still S6/5A mincing a squad of termis charging them wounding on 2s. Can use the chaplains auto pass battleshock for using both buffs of savage echoes too.
jumping through EVERY possible hoop, to get to use a bad strat. but yes that would work
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 wouldnt say its having to jump through hoops, get charged play the strat. Itmoreso gives them a better defensive profile if charged, being S6 with +1 to wound fighting first is a decent buff to what their base stat's are. I don't consider SE or RR bad strats per se, I think it's quite thematic and having chaplain the downside of using both effects isn't as much of a concern. Also the opposite side of the coin, when charging only need the lethal hits part of RR. BA have quite alot of options for only needing 1 or the other part of their strats and cases when you're going full ham with a unit being battleshocked probably isn't a concern 😂
Bladeguards are one of the best choices on Blood Angels. ❤
Blood Angels LT with BgV is soooooo strong. Just give them the 1PG Fight First and all of a sudden they’re better than Judiciar. Plus you’re saving yourself on Strats. The free fall back / charge + Lethals is huge1
Judiciar is overrated..Lt is where its at
@@Michaelkayslay but such a cool model!
Thoughts on Tigirius? Free interrupt, minus to hit on the squad and 4+ FNP against mortals and psychic
hes fine as well
Imo, making Shield of the chapter an Invul Save reroll is pretty good because its a CP that doesn't have to be used on AOC, especially against AP2 melee
i dont understand what you are advocating for? Are you saying they should get full save re reolls?
Well, I don't know if there is any other ability that allows the free rerolling of Invulnerable Saves, but I do wish that Shields of the Chapter should at least have been full Invul Save rerolls rather than reroll 1's but a full saving throw reroll would indeed have been awesome
Been playing the Adrax Combo alot in Firestorm, opting for the Ancient instead of the Lt. because it's cheaper. The Unit basically takes out everything it touches when it charges but is much too expensive imo because it cannot take a punch in retalliation at all. You will at best, and that's already a stretch, trade 1 to 1 and then they are gone. So all in all you pay loads for the unit and its delivery system to get a tactical missile. They just need to get cheaper, then we're talking, especially when ICC are the same cost but are straight up better.
yes, i agree, BGV need to be 25, the adrax combo is still the best way to run BGV
Hello Sir, just discovered your channel and I have a lot to learn from you, but if it is not too much trouble, could you tell me where I might find a Blood angel like the one shown in your Blood Angels piece on Blade Guard?
hey mate, drop me a time stamp!
As a BA main. I’d like to see the priest attached, making them a unique unit like BT. 5+FNP -3AP. If you wanted to go all out fluff, add captain. Give the priest FF an cap sustained hits 3 🤤
bruh i know right? that is such a missed opportunity, they removed the Jump Pack and had the opportunity to let him attach to BGV..... they missed
Bladeguard in Spacewolves with Ragnar Blackmane works well.
Thanks for the video
my pleasure bud
I’ve been using HB*LT and 5 sword bros with the champ of humanity. That unit just nukes anything!
HellBrecht cannot lead BGV lol. so stop doing that hahaha
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 he’s leading sword bros not BGV.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 I use BGV for my BA already with a Judi but now I’m thinking a Capt/LT with RFW.
A lot of people have been talking about using a Chaplain to "instantly" unbattleshock. As far as I can tell, you can't immediately remove battleshock as the Chaplain rule states "at the START of any phase", so it would be at the start of the NEXT phase if you battleshock during the current phase. If I'm reading it right then, IF you charged and used both parts of Red Rampage to kill an enemy unit on an objective, you would not be able to unbattleshock until your opponent's Command Phase (the start of the next phase), so you would not be able to score? Am I understanding this correctly?
correct, it is effectively "immediately" as far as BA are concerned. They are saying you can use them to allow yourself to be battleshocked in the charge phase to allow a bad strategem to function, and then unbattle shock yourself in the fight phase once per game so you are not screwed
For inner circle detachment, is there actually a character that youncan put the 6" consolidate enhancement on that can also join bgv? I thought it was only terminator models that had the deathwing keyword 🤔
Yes the Blade Guard ancient gets the Deathwing Keyword
What about space wolves? Blackmane is pretty good giving advance and charge. If you look at it choose either the fnp, sustained, or lethal hits as your saga and you can get the other sagas throughout the game.
Yeah i skipped over space wolves due to a brain fart. Ragnar is a decent leader!
I put my Salamanders bladeguard with Adrax and Lt in a drop-pod because it’s fucking cool. Would a land raider be better, yeah. Do I care, no.
thats a choice i suppose
How does the Bladeguard Ancient's once per battle +1A fare vs the lieutenants lethal hits for a single combat?
lethal is way more impactful
Dark angels have the flatly superior inner circle, so they don’t take bladeguard.
I do like the Salamanders one (im a salamander), running it without the LT and it’s still quite good
in first minute of the video, i established the rules. This video is not about if you should, its about how would you
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yep, heard it! Dark angels are just unique in that they have a unit in the exact same role that’s flat better.
YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN RUN BLADEGUARD VETERANS IN A BLACK DRAGONS LIST??
live your life king
Great vid
thank bud, glad you enjoyed it!
BA in LAG as leader a Chaplin for +1 to Wound and the once per Battle not Battleshock ability and the FF enhancment
the ability is realy good when you get charged use the Savage Echoes strategem so you can get both benefits +1S and +1A and then just remove the BS
it is not really good. it enables a once per game ability to spend CP on a otherwise shitty strat and make it okay
Tiny correction, it's actually "Oath of Moment", not "of the Moment". The phase "of moment" means something of great importance or weight, like "momentous".
ok
They run almost the exact same as the tyranid melee warriors, but somewhat tougher.
They hit hard!
they really do not hit hard, unless you buff them in one of the ways i presented. S5 ap2 dmg2 with no rr is not hard hitting. but luckily there are many ways to improve that
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007
They have the same profile as melee warriors, with a prime (which you've discussed), they hit hard (but die quite quickly). My friends make them top priority targets (alongside my genestealers +Broodlord). Freeing up my other units to smash them.
Wait, when did impulsors get 7 unit capacity? Gives you potentially another powerful BGV in Firestorm
In June
gotta check your data slate balance updates my guy!
Adrax plus blade guard ancient w/ champion of humanity
Why the BG ancient? He is much worse than a lieutenant. Adds much less as well
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 cheaper, gives everyone +1 atk, more oc
@@meanestgreen3320giving more oc hardly matters when Adrax is halving the OC of the enemy. And lethal hits is going to add more damage than +1 attack. If you just think the banner is cool go for it, but the Lt. Is the better choice.
Playing dark angels why would you take blade guard when you can take ICC?
this video was about how to take Blade Guard, not that you should, i reference the first 2 minutes of the video when i describe the purpose lol
For Dark Angels, they'd prob rather take ICC's+Azrael/Libby.
yes, but that was not the point of this video :) As i said in the first slide this is not Should*** you, it is how would we build the best BVG.
Adding Calgar to BGV when you can get him with Aggressors and apothecary biologis it such a wasting his potential that hurts me inside!
yeah but the point of this vid was "how to build BGV" not "Should you build BGV"
i use them just ebcause they look cool. that's why i use all my figures lol. winning? who cares.
play your way bud. but lots of us care. the fun is figuring out how to win
Space Wolves?
yep ragnar is a decent choice, wolves honestly just slipped my mind
You’re missing the new meta for BA LAG detachment. Runa chaplain with speed of the primarch for once per game fights first, whilst also having +1 to wound. If anyone charges them pop the strat for +1 attack and strength receiving an attack. Chaplain removes the battleshock and activates fights first. That’s 6A at Str 6 each with +1 to wound, re roll 1s to hit and -2, 2.
On the charge they get the +1A and +2 Str, with +1 to wound. Leadership is 5 bc chaplain. It should be a core pick for LAG Blood Angels 🩸
no lol, i am just not jumping through 17 hoops to make a shitty strat work once. I am certainly not missing that
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 17 Hoops? It's a single enhancement on a popular character that helps to cleanse battleshock and gives +1 to wound. Then pop a 1cp strat if you get charged at any point. It's hardly a stretch. You can do it anytime in the game, don't have to be on or near an objective.
But if you want to charge a T11 knight into my bladeguard and watch them fight first and wound it on 4s that's fine by me 😀