One of the most terrifying videos to watch as a world eaters player but very informative! Any tips for melee armies on what to do against this kind of play?
I am also a world eaters player... would love some tactics for them! These videos are invaluable for newer players, watching on TTS makes things so much easier to digest.
I play Sororitas and GSC, two rather frail armies. This material is all well and good, but the units you moveblock with are doomed. I'm not sure how to take advantage of this without putting myself at a severed material disadvantage when they die.
Great video. But I don’t understand how you move block the bikers with the infiltrators if you go second. They can’t scout so they stay 9” away. But you can’t scout towards them because you also need to stay 9” away. Then they go first and the bikers won’t be there anymore. In fact by the time it’s your turn either bikers won’t be on the table or your infiltrators
Move blocking is about limiting where your opponent can go, since bikers cannot move through wall, you can 100% deny them movement by having your infiltrators in position!
Great point on blocking deep strikers from objectives. I gave away 8 “capture enemy outpost” points in a game yesterday because I did not take that into account. Lesson learned (hopefully)
Nice vid. With practice, it's cool to go even further than this and absolutely maximise each screening units potential in various matchups, such as here where you move blocked the sagitaurs, only one scout needs to stand in that gap between terrain and you'd be able to chain the unit over to the right edge of the board to block the other sagitaur as welll. I've found it particularly important when attempting to block angron, with his fly and up to 22" move, he can still be move blocked, but it takes a lot of effort. Utilising the surrounding terrain and premeasuring from the back of his base - then agreeing with your opponent that he will be blocked - by chaining models between gaps in terrain pieces and making sure there is no good spot for his base to fit.
one problem with surrounding a transport with 10 guys in a circle is that if ONE of your guys dies, 4 others die because you can't keep unit cohesion because two guys will be hanging and not be 2" from two allies. This kills one, then another, then another until you have five left since five only require one freindly for cohesion.
Great vid as always! But in your example of Move blocking a disembark, isn't the deathwatch squad out of coherency around the WE rhino? Unless you are showing 2 squads of 5-man and not a 10-man...
Helpful video thanks. Quick question about 14:00 Can you totally screen a Rhino disembark with just ten guys like that, it kinda looks like they could fit their models around the outside using the emergency disembarkation?
Bro I know you’re a pro but I’m not buying your computer generated example.. when I work it out.. you can absolutely disembark them and get them 1” past your space marines with a 1/2 inch or so to spare before they hit the 6” cap… so what am I missing.
Any tips on how to most effectively screen deepstrike move shoot move units from stealing points? E.g. swooping hawks, gargoyles, chronomancer warriors
You just need to screen the move, so for example, instead of screening 9 inches, you need to screen based off where they move. So if you want to make sure they cannot move onto your objective make sure that you screen 9.1 inches from the objective assuming a move of 6
Thanks for the video! Just a quick comment for your in person camera, a cheap drop/background cloth will help your camera a lot. It's got auto white balance/ auto focus on and trying to balance off your back wall (and then your kitchen has contrast). Some PVC pipes and a a large piece of fabric stretched tightly should do you wonders! Lots of prosumer solutions also Keep up the good work.
Its basically all about priority. Knights have massive movement profiles, so you can afford to spread out a little more and still be able to get to where you need to go next turn! Also allies help tremendously. acolytes for imperial, and nurglings for the chaos flavor
Great video - I was wondering though: doesn't the booklet for leviathan say "alternate pre-game abilities" with the player starting first? For me that would mean I do a scout move, then he does a scout move, then I do a scout move?
It does, there is an argument over whether that means, i do all my redeploy, and then you do all your redeploy (alternating) scout, and then you do all your scout, or if it means i redeploy one unit, then you, then me, then you. WTC rules i do all my (category ability) then you do yours
If anyone ever has a hard time getting this down, just tell them to play 20 games against GSC or GK. If they don't learn to screen at least decently then, they'll never learn. A kind of related tip in regards to units that infiltrate. If both you and your opponent have units that infiltrate, deploying first can be a significant benefit. You can secure a big portion, or even all, of no mans land if you stretch out an infiltrating unit.
You cannot end within engagement range of a model, so they physically do not have space to disembark within 6 inches of the rhino and not within engagement of the death company, thats why i drew the auras to give you the physical view!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Oh, so their bases are larger than the area where they can emergency disembark behind the Death Company right? I see, Thanks! Awesome video btw :)
I mean this is a tactical strategy game? I am not sure what you mean by cheap tactics. If you watch any of my videos on how to communicate with opponents I always advocate for 100% clear communication, there is no such thing as a gotcha when you play with me. But if you are saying i should not use tactics in the tactical game, that sounds silly.
Man.. what am I missing here.. how is it you are making the claim that using a primaries space marine on a 32mm base.. which is approx 1.25 inches can keep the disembarking unit from being able to fit outside engagement between the 4 and 1/2 inch and 6 inch mark?
Cause I’m doing the math and unless the bases of your models are bigger considerably or you are really pulling some whammy jammy bullshit on the TO I don’t buy this at all.
DId you consider that a 1.25 inch base has an engagement diameter of 3.25 inches, you cant end disembark within engagement range, and you also can't stand inside a wall. If you have a base that is 1.25 inches, stand 1.24 inches away from the transport, then using emergency disembark they have to be on the other side of the model 4.49 inches away, if you stagger your positioning like i did in the example, it quickly becomes impossible when you factor in walls. lol best case you get one model that gets to disembark which has essentially the same effect
One of the most terrifying videos to watch as a world eaters player but very informative! Any tips for melee armies on what to do against this kind of play?
Tons of them! Tune into the discord or our teaching streams for that! Perhaps ill make a dedicated video for that as well
I am also a world eaters player... would love some tactics for them! These videos are invaluable for newer players, watching on TTS makes things so much easier to digest.
As a WE player I loved videos like this use your Jakhals are screen clearing.
I would also be interested in that :)@@Happykrumpingwargaming007
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007seconding Francis’ question. A video on how to defeat screens would be a great follow up!
I play Sororitas and GSC, two rather frail armies. This material is all well and good, but the units you moveblock with are doomed. I'm not sure how to take advantage of this without putting myself at a severed material disadvantage when they die.
Thats where coaching comes in ;) I give you all the information for free here on this channel, happy to help with the implementation as well!
Great video. But I don’t understand how you move block the bikers with the infiltrators if you go second. They can’t scout so they stay 9” away. But you can’t scout towards them because you also need to stay 9” away. Then they go first and the bikers won’t be there anymore. In fact by the time it’s your turn either bikers won’t be on the table or your infiltrators
Move blocking is about limiting where your opponent can go, since bikers cannot move through wall, you can 100% deny them movement by having your infiltrators in position!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yeah of course but in your example you were moving them up. I just wanted to check if I missed something here
Infiltrator is such a powerful ability if used properly. Love the video! Thank you!
My pleasure buddy!
Great point on blocking deep strikers from objectives. I gave away 8 “capture enemy outpost” points in a game yesterday because I did not take that into account. Lesson learned (hopefully)
Thats how we grow as players my man!
Nice vid.
With practice, it's cool to go even further than this and absolutely maximise each screening units potential in various matchups, such as here where you move blocked the sagitaurs, only one scout needs to stand in that gap between terrain and you'd be able to chain the unit over to the right edge of the board to block the other sagitaur as welll.
I've found it particularly important when attempting to block angron, with his fly and up to 22" move, he can still be move blocked, but it takes a lot of effort. Utilising the surrounding terrain and premeasuring from the back of his base - then agreeing with your opponent that he will be blocked - by chaining models between gaps in terrain pieces and making sure there is no good spot for his base to fit.
This is the way
How dare you slander my gargantuan squiggoths. Put some burna boys in them and you'll have a hard time screening it.
Haha if only S 4 ap 0 was good !
Dude, you do look like Charlie Cox in your thumbnail 😂
I am honored! Dare devil himself!
Move blocking? Is this something I'm too xenos to understand. Nearly every unit I have fly.
must be
one problem with surrounding a transport with 10 guys in a circle is that if ONE of your guys dies, 4 others die because you can't keep unit cohesion because two guys will be hanging and not be 2" from two allies. This kills one, then another, then another until you have five left since five only require one freindly for cohesion.
correct
Great vid as always! But in your example of Move blocking a disembark, isn't the deathwatch squad out of coherency around the WE rhino? Unless you are showing 2 squads of 5-man and not a 10-man...
no they are all in 2 of 2, the purple circles are 1 inch, around the building it gets messed up because it shows diagonally
Ahh sounds good, somehow I thought it was 2 inch circles!@@Happykrumpingwargaming007
The Yncarne doesn't have Deep Strike and it's teleport doesn't have a outside 9" restriction. It still can't be with 1" however.
yep
Can you do one on screening models with fly and titanic units as there is a fair amount of play there. Also epic video
cheers bud. Yeah we can extrapolate that!
Fantastic Vid as always :) looking forward to playing in your TTS tournament
Heck yeah! Super excited to have you join us!!!
Only problem is pioneers can fly
Sure but they have to clear the unit, and they still dont get the scout move :P
Great video. Like you said, other creators mention this but dont get into specific details about how it works
Cheers man :) Glad to have you here
Helpful video thanks. Quick question about 14:00 Can you totally screen a Rhino disembark with just ten guys like that, it kinda looks like they could fit their models around the outside using the emergency disembarkation?
it depends on the base size, with 32 mm yes, if you are on 24 no!
Bro I know you’re a pro but I’m not buying your computer generated example.. when I work it out.. you can absolutely disembark them and get them 1” past your space marines with a 1/2 inch or so to spare before they hit the 6” cap… so what am I missing.
Cool! Subscribing now, great content 😎👍🏽
Cheers man! Glad you like it!
Man all your videos are hating on world eaters 😡😡
no way haha i love world eaters, but people need to know how to handle movement
Great stuff man. As always 👍
Cheers man! I really appreciate your support! Glad you enjoyed it!
Any tips on how to most effectively screen deepstrike move shoot move units from stealing points? E.g. swooping hawks, gargoyles, chronomancer warriors
You just need to screen the move, so for example, instead of screening 9 inches, you need to screen based off where they move. So if you want to make sure they cannot move onto your objective make sure that you screen 9.1 inches from the objective assuming a move of 6
Thanks for the video! Just a quick comment for your in person camera, a cheap drop/background cloth will help your camera a lot. It's got auto white balance/ auto focus on and trying to balance off your back wall (and then your kitchen has contrast). Some PVC pipes and a a large piece of fabric stretched tightly should do you wonders! Lots of prosumer solutions also
Keep up the good work.
Hey i really appreciate that! Thank you for the recommendation!
cool vid. very usefull. are there any tips for screening with imperial/chaos knights?
Its basically all about priority. Knights have massive movement profiles, so you can afford to spread out a little more and still be able to get to where you need to go next turn! Also allies help tremendously. acolytes for imperial, and nurglings for the chaos flavor
Great video - I was wondering though: doesn't the booklet for leviathan say "alternate pre-game abilities" with the player starting first? For me that would mean I do a scout move, then he does a scout move, then I do a scout move?
It does, there is an argument over whether that means, i do all my redeploy, and then you do all your redeploy (alternating) scout, and then you do all your scout, or if it means i redeploy one unit, then you, then me, then you. WTC rules i do all my (category ability) then you do yours
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Legendarily fast response! First minute, you rock!
If anyone ever has a hard time getting this down, just tell them to play 20 games against GSC or GK.
If they don't learn to screen at least decently then, they'll never learn.
A kind of related tip in regards to units that infiltrate. If both you and your opponent have units that infiltrate, deploying first can be a significant benefit. You can secure a big portion, or even all, of no mans land if you stretch out an infiltrating unit.
100% I should have spoken about order of deployment! Thanks for bringing it up!
Heck yeah! So glad you decided to make this video. Was hoping you would after mentioning it in the win conditions video.
I will bring what the people want!
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Thank you for getting me to think about this game in a new way.
my pleasure! glad this was useful to you
14:39 Can you explain why it can't emergency disembark behind the Deathwatch unit?
You cannot end within engagement range of a model, so they physically do not have space to disembark within 6 inches of the rhino and not within engagement of the death company, thats why i drew the auras to give you the physical view!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Oh, so their bases are larger than the area where they can emergency disembark behind the Death Company right? I see, Thanks! Awesome video btw :)
This is how I lose to CSM with Votann. The stupid ass nurglings have 3 wounds each and block all the scout move in the whole army.
Its the only way to handle the ludicrously undercosted saggitaur and pioneers hahaha
Nurglings are 4 wounds each! Theyre even worse than that lol. Im suspecting theyre gonna catch a point increase.
Best man!
Awesome vid. Thank you
Cheers buddy! I appreciate your support!
awesome! just got my Boyz painted. this info is invaluable!
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@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 ahh I gotta figure out that discord thing. lol peeps are always telling me I should use it! thanks for the great content!
Congratulations, I like 40k less now.
lol i recommend something else then
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This all looks like very cheap tactics. Takes away the flavor of the game.
I mean this is a tactical strategy game? I am not sure what you mean by cheap tactics. If you watch any of my videos on how to communicate with opponents I always advocate for 100% clear communication, there is no such thing as a gotcha when you play with me. But if you are saying i should not use tactics in the tactical game, that sounds silly.
Man.. what am I missing here.. how is it you are making the claim that using a primaries space marine on a 32mm base.. which is approx 1.25 inches can keep the disembarking unit from being able to fit outside engagement between the 4 and 1/2 inch and 6 inch mark?
i responded to your other comment :)
Cause I’m doing the math and unless the bases of your models are bigger considerably or you are really pulling some whammy jammy bullshit on the TO I don’t buy this at all.
DId you consider that a 1.25 inch base has an engagement diameter of 3.25 inches, you cant end disembark within engagement range, and you also can't stand inside a wall. If you have a base that is 1.25 inches, stand 1.24 inches away from the transport, then using emergency disembark they have to be on the other side of the model 4.49 inches away, if you stagger your positioning like i did in the example, it quickly becomes impossible when you factor in walls. lol best case you get one model that gets to disembark which has essentially the same effect