Can someone explain why this is such a huge deal? Like I genuinely don't understand why so many people have their panties in a twist. Grounded and minecraft force you to log into a Microsoft account, rdr2 and gta5 require a Rockstar account to play online, an I believe hound you over and over if you want to play singleplayer. While I generally dislike the practice, it's been going on for well over 10 years, and just now are people complaining
In cooperate terms it was a pretty strong statement and given it came so quickly on Monday morning I suspect there was some significant legal exposure, thata probably why I would guess Steam took down the Helldivers 2 page in countries without PSN to limit their liability, I'd guess it's staying that way till they have confirmation from Sony that this won't be revisited before re-enabling it and making any alterations to the Steam page, that'll likely take longer for an agreed wording both are happy with (or at least can live with) What worries me a little more is the 'other systems' they will be exploring for banning players and moderating as from what I saw the community team was a little to excited to get access to PC users and start banning without going through Steam, hopefully nothing will be workable and they'll just have to live with going through Steam, but I can see something in game your obliged to sign up to so we'll have to keep an eye out for that. Way I see it, this is a win, a big one, but we'll need to be wary going foward
@@Brad-lt2rewhat? Did you even care to see or did you decide to just go on the first thing you heard and forgot the concept of time and thing changing over time
They didn’t really ruin anything at the end of the day people are still going to buy games and consoles lol i’m not siding with them but this is stupid
Someone left this steam review that sums up this whole conundrum: “I was so busy having fun that I forgot about corporate greed for a moment.” Nice going Sony. Edit 1: As of May 6, Sony announced on their official twitter that they’re back peddling on the PSN requirement and not moving forward. Great job all around for the fans; the outcry against dictatorship has come in clutch and turned the tables.
yall are just throwing a trantrum the only reason u didn't have to was because the servers couldn't take it and they said u WILL NEED IT DAY 1 ITS ON THE STEAM PAGE SINCE DAY 1
@@redrad4205 They literally changed the ToS of PSN linking from Optional to Required? What are you getting from licking a corporate boot, wth. If you don't have any issues then go enjoy the game, let those that have problems complain, tf.
@@redrad4205 except it allowed people to play the game without it. They took that freedom away and are now suffering the consequence. You can let them push you around but others aren't.
they didnt alter it. the devs knew 6 months before launch that it would be mandatory. they had absolutely no reason to allow people to skip signing into psn for 3 months, yet they did. as much as sony sucks, this one is entirely on arrowhead
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I'm hoping things brings more eyes to the fact that most terms and conditions are there to give power and control to the corps not to protect your experience or their IP
i was always part of the user agreement when buying the game it wasn't changed (im not agreeing to it i think its crap but it was aways in the user agreement it was required)
People who aren't in a PSN region can just make a Sony account and lie about the country and no you won't get banned, been doing it for over a decade. The data argument is also invalid. You're afraid of them leaking your email and Sony password? Just make your Sony password a unique one. I'm just saying this situation is mildly inconvenient at worst and PC players are destroying this community for literally no reason. It's also an insane assumption that you're just gonna SOL and be stuck with an unplayable game.
What’s funny is they could have got a majority of the playerbase to link an account easily by making it have a cosmetic incentive. So if you linked ur account you would get an exclusive set or something that way people who have accounts are more inclined to do it and people who don’t don’t have to
As of 28 minutes ago Sony posted on Twitter: “Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward. We’re still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we’ll keep you updated on future plans.”
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Nah. They agreed to it to begin with, purposefully hid it from consumers, and then tried to blame Sony at the end of it all. They knew the entire time, and chose not to say anything about it. The devs are just as bad - if not worse.
Congratulations. You managed to remove yourself from 90% of all markets. Well done Sony. Edit: they decided they actually like money and reverted the change. And I thought this big business hated money for a second.
Rather than making it mandatory, they could just give in-game rewards to anyone connecting their account to a PSN account. Sony would gain their metrics, the executives would get their bonus, the players would be happy. Problem solved. But no, they have to make it hard
@@Arxy12 It is, because to have a PSN account you have to upload an ID now a days. They sell all of the information you provide to them. Name, Address, DL/ID Number, Birthday, ect. With this many people refusing to create an account and sharing this info with them has the financial repercussion that they cannot sell the info for those people. Additionally, many people are turned away from them due to actions like this, loss of data via hacks, ect. They have reduced their market & market share.
It's not only just a nuisance to have to link accounts like this. It's also yet another way for these corporations that want you to link your already established account on some other platform, to accounts on their platform, to collect your data. Which likely includes, but is not limited to all of your communications with other players while in-game lol.
ATTENTION ALL WHO READ THIS Approximately 3 hours ago, sony has overturned their decision on helldivers. They're trying some gaslighting and pretending its an "honest mistake" and they're "still learning what PC gamers want". Either way, please support the arrowhead devs who spent 8 years on this god tier game. And we can all collectively agree "Screw Sony".
As a single game developer, one day when my game gets on console, I'm in charge because it's my product and there'll be no account links period. How long can we take this before we snap.
@@KaiBue The developers could have done more, but keep in mind that Sony manages the game's release and the marketing behind it. Arrowhead only has direct control over the development of the game, sony does everything else.
The typical next step for the suits would be "Well the game is rated very badly, which means the dev team is incompetent. Let's fire/close them." Edit: I was wrong and even though I don't play that game, I'm glad I was wrong.
@@Micecheese Its literally Sony doing this, not Arrowhead. While they should've known that Sony was going to McFuck up their entire gig here, I doubt they figured it would be three months in instead of over a year after.
I still dunno why arrowhead straight up dont sue sony, its illegal to sabotage a game cuz you dont fully own it, yes I said it, sabotage, as what sony did falls under what sabotaging means
You can't refund a game if you've played more than 2 hours, the game company however, CAN change ToS after you've played 2 hours, seems perfectly legit.
If you tell steam that it’s because of the change in terms of service, they should give you a refund. It just has to be said in a specific way and you have to say it has to do with multiplayer.
make a good game: Publisher ruins it. Make a bad game: Publisher cancels you = layoffs. No Publishers: No Drama Edit: I now learned that Arrowhead CEO Knew months before, that Sony will force Players to Link PSN Accounts. faith destroyed. i just want to go back to 1998.
You really don't need a publisher anymore in the modern age. Publishers are just a dinosaur now; a holdover from the days when games needed physical media and needed to be sent out to physical game stores. Now that we have Steam, you can easily self-publish; you pay a small fee and Steam handles everything associated with getting your game listed. Of course, all this goes out the window if for some reason you want to be on console as well. If the reason Arrowhead went to Sony is for money, they could have just gone directly to the potential playerbase instead and crowdfunded it.
The solo dev for Songs of Syx is also self published. I really love that, especially since it’s an EA game and most EA games published, for example, by hooded horse follow massive over-hype campaign that make their EA games look like fantastic finished products. Most publishers suck (and not just in the gaming industry), and those that try to look like they are good are just faking it to gain popularity points, especially with the EA smooth-brained white-knights
Yeah, let me say, as a professional game dev who knows a lot of people in the AAA space… no publisher DEFINITELY doesn’t mean no problems. Unfortunately that’s the world we live in.
If the game survives, I wanna see crossover DLC of the Alien Franchise. With the Queen Alien being the boss and Face huggers being a unique enemy that can kill you instantly, eventually over the span of the match if caught. Acidic blood that corrodes armor, and Royal guards that help let you know you’re nearing the Queens lair.
Sony really let Arrowhead cook up one of the best games of the last decade, and just as it was looking like this game would actually be more than one of those hits that only lasts for a month or two, they just thought “Now if only there were a way for us to fuck this up.” God damn I hate video game publishers.
They're legitimately useless. Just corporate bloat with predatory legal teams and braindead execs. Self publishing is the way to go, come hell or high water. Is corporate money really worth the losses that negate the investment put in?
Ppl are overreacting imo. Sony is looking at you all and shrugging their shoulders. AH is in a panic, and players are gonna continue to play games that have the same requirements being asked of right now. The difference? They just asked for it earlier.
I think what it is is that they made it optional initially thinking that most people would link their accounts, with few skipping that. But when nobody did it voluntarily they decided to force it on everyone
I agree with Louis Rossman on this. If the devs/publishers can change the ToS at any moment after your purchase then gamers/customers should be able to return the product at any moment with no questions asked
Helldivers 2 is one of the best shooters we’ve gotten in a while and all Sony had to do was sit back and enjoy the benefits. But they couldn’t even do that correctly, instead they had to sabotage a live service game that wasn’t predatory and wasn’t terrible. I feel so bad for the devs, they don’t deserve this
@@ExtantPerson They still knew about it and was watching people buy the game without giving clear warnings. They let people waste their money. They're not innocent.
This probably had a good bit to do with its success and Sony wanting to cut out Valves take on the microtransactions since they were processed through Steam
I think it also comes down to the principle of it like Louis Rossman said; if game companies can just change their terms of service AFTER releasing the game at any point down the line, then what exactly is the customer agreeing to when they purchase the games? Its also a double standard because customers aren't allowed to violate the terms but the company is allowed to amend them however they want, its ridiculous imagine buying a house and then the bank tells you 'we've changed our mind, we own the house now because we helped you pay for it"
It's not really like that though, the game always said it would require psn on the store page. It was just disabled at launch because it caused some server issues or something.
It's just sad to see how a big soulless company can ruin an amazing project, how a studio can be affected by choices of people who have nothing to do with their project.
@@GrayWolf5000 Do you credit your employer with buying your car? Do you thank the bank for your home? Providing capital is not the same as actually doing the work
When you are the layer between normal employee and corporate, you realize to them its all about goosing those numbers even if something makes lots of money you got to squeeze more and more to you kill it instead of having a steady stream of revenue. Bonuses are not based on a steady stream of money only gains in areas.
Another smaller issue that shrunk the player count was people's preferences in a community-powered co-op game, with a metagame about working collectively to fight a war on multiple fronts. Many players chose to keep playing on Terminid planets to the detriment of the Automaton front. Bit of a personal bias on this one but I was really looking forward to feeling like this was a mobile, responsive army redeploying where needed and working together and the rebalances to weapons in fairness made it trickier for some players to adjust to bots when they already needed a change in tactics, but while I find it a little harder I adjusted and enjoy going wherever my orders take me (Except for Hellmire. Fuck "Fire Tornadoes", and the horse they rode in on). But while it's clear that most people enjoyed jumping into Malevolon Creek and fighting bots until they were wiped off the map for a day and then came back, overall I think some people didn't appreciate that this is an online live service video game that is meant to run for a number of years and not a linear action game with a storyline that can be finished in ten hours like they used to be, but player counts according to planets show that many players clearly prefer one faction and so success in the metagame is skewed in favour of those who continue playing Terminid missions. Bot mains felt jilted that their work was undone and it was only a downhill battle to hold planets from there, people who prefer bugs got bored and sneered at other players as they refused to help with future major orders elsewhere, and bickering on Discord over people playing one or the other exclusively led to massive reduction in players on the bot front and now no new planets can be taken, I watched the concurrent player numbers drop from one weekend to the next immediately following that. Conversation turned so petty and regularly argumentative that I suggested the bot players move to a different part of the Discord to discuss what planets to work together on without all the catcalling on every other message (again, this is a community-driven co-op game), and a moderator (no, not the one you're thinking of) sent a comment addressing argumentative behaviour and preference on how to play, to the chat where the bot players had just moved to, but not to the general chat where "bug players" had been dismissive and beginning to become openly hostile. It was deflating for me and I haven't bothered engaging with the server since. This may have been in response to earlier weeks where bot players had expressed disappointment or anger about major orders failing despite bug players answering requests for help on the bot front, but I didn't see any of that myself so without evidence I can't make assumptions about that. Since then I am pleased to say on balance, that we have been able to successfully defend ONE planet, as an uptick of players from a peak of 3k to 33k on on bot planet saw an attack on the forward operating base on Vernen Wells repelled as of last night. And then the last and most damning has been the most unfortunate decision (presumably by Sony) to enforce the Sony account requirements that were advertised on the game from the start but Arrowhead likely decided not to enforce, that part's deeply regrettable and I completely understand the irritation that came from across the community about that, as people have genuine info security concerns after all the times they got hacked. Worse still, people are still not able to buy or possibly even play the game in numerous countries because red tape over this mess led to the game being removed from Steam altogether. This needs to be addressed immediately and I hope all the countries affected can play again very soon! :D As I said I've been on the Discord, following along with the Baskinator drama, and also having a peek at the far-right's reaction to anything suggesting that this game is a satire made by people they hate, and from what I've seen there's been too many complaints about minor issues that have impacted the game's player count over time. The Sony situation should not have been allowed to happen as it's a bit ludicrous to expect PC players to sign up to a console company but to be brutally honest, there was no way Arrowhead could keep up with all this and keep everyone happy. A good hundred or so bugs to fix, servers that had to be expanded, more content needed for experienced players to keep them engaged, the content added or changed not being amazing enough, the game not being apolitical enough, all of this has been dunked on, and rather unfairly for the most part from what I can see. The team had about 100 people as of last year and they are getting used to developing a different kind of game to their previous offerings, and we're only three months in. I stand with the community on the Sony situation, but if it weren't for that, my view of this community for a co-op game would be scathing as they've failed to appreciate how clearly keen Arrowhead has been to deliver a fun, balanced and welcoming experience for everyone regardless of their background and preference of playing. All of the players I've encountered have been great but overall it's clearly a different breed to Deep Rock Galactic's very kind and supportive player base, though in fairness DRG doesn't have a galaxy map to conquer together and Ghost Ship Games had the time to build up their audience and their expectations over 6 years. Okay longest comment ever or TL;DR, say what you want but I've enjoyed this game immensely since March and wanted to show that there's been multiple understandable and normal circumstances that could be fixed with time as well as all the drama and people being quick to criticise Arrowhead, please just bear with them and I'm sure they can provide us with a game that all of us (or at least more people than not) would come to love and enjoy for years!
Steam denying refunds is just as bad. Hopefully some people grow a spine and start calling Steam out on this. You can not just change the terms of service, especially not when it involves privacy sensitive data collection.
@@sophieedel6324They've been charging back people even with 200+ hrs. You just need to give a calm and clear refund reason to steam and they'll refund
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The fact that Sony is taking Helldivers 2 players' freedom to not link PSN is peak meta irony. One day, Sony will learn Gabe's ultimate technique of doing absolutely nothing and win. But not this year.
@@greenstrawberrygaming Microsoft online games work in those countries. Nintendo online games work in those countries. Other Steam games of less worth and value operate in those countries. Sony simply did not want to allocate server resources, there are absolutely zero excuses.
@kamomohilda7954 i thought the same thing. Sony has been blowing toes off their feet since the 80's. I brought this story up with my dad and he told me stories of different sony technologies that they kept killing because they were too incompetent.
Remember when you could play minecraft without linking a microsoft AND a mojang account? Oh yeah that was fine that they made the change but helldivers?!?! Unforgivable.
You know what saddens me. The fact that Sony probably won't suffer from this even though they are the ones who are mostly at fault. While the ones who will bear all the suffering and persecution is Arrowhead, who were only partially at fault. In the end, the only people whose lives were truly affected won't be the dipshits in Sony, nor would it be the gamers who lost access to this game. They would just refund and move on. The ones truly affected are the people in Arrowhead, who undeniably poured their heart and soul into their game they have been making for 7 years. Helldivers 2 and AH being a small company were like the underdog of the current gaming industry, standing up to the big dogs, and they were killing it. Everybody wants to see the underdog succeed. But now, because of a forced play from the big dogs, the support that the underdog had turned against them, and the big dogs remains untouched.
To everyone who wants refund from the steam. I had 450 hours in game and requested refund with these words and was successful: "Sony has retroactively changed how the game works and forced legal agreements upon me I do not accept". I received full refund in less than 24 hours.
I've been trying for about 4 times now. Answered via bot denying my refund with the current 4th one still ongoing with these exact words copy pasted. I could only hope this will work.
I've dealt with: 2 data breaches (maybe 3, Sony refused to answer if I was part of a 3rd) 1 case of games being removed arbitrarily 1 case of movies/tv shows being removed arbitrarily I'm not doing round 5 with Sony's bs.
Sony is the only place I've been hacked from. At least as far as places that ever had credit card from me. To their credit they fixed it pretty quickly, but the hackers made a child account on my account that I couldn't detach without calling them back. I just dropped my entire PS account and washed my hands of their stupidity, and I'm not about to go back either.
@@Kingnothing7x These are from years ago, this is less "I'm done with Sony" and more "I dropped them years ago and can attest to the reason to stay away."
Steam opened refunds to people because they were fully against Sony doing this crap and people were able to get refunded for it. It doesn't seem refunds are open on the US but yknow.
this is why ive been vibing with Xbox lately tbh, while not perfect i think theyre making strides in the gaming community for things like connectivity and crossplay. they make their money off the games and so providing to more rather than trivially locking it for their console has been working. Its also just better for us players cause now are games are fuller and i can play with my PC buddies rather than hording first party titles xbox releases the newer ones throughout the markets, making windows crossplay and pushing for crossplatform, If i remember correctly Even Minecraft had issues with sony tryna be crossplay between the Bedrock Edition. gamepass is banger (not all games are good but its a good alternative to buying). As of like a couple days ago xbox released a bunch of older first party games to PS including like Sea Of Thieves and several others etc. Xbox isnt perfect but they learned to share and expand, Sony and Nintendo too busy being pretentious to grow. Nintendo will SWAT a 14yr old for drawing mario in school art class claiming it infringes their copyright, and playstation hasnt grown with the age of connectivity (and apparently do shit like this). Its just sad I was looking forward to my PS5 coming, finally get all the games ive been missing on but not it just feels tainted since Helldivers was one of those games I was look forward to trying
I think Sony did this on purpose. Helldivers was the first game in a long time to break the classic cash cow methods by removing limited time battle passes, allowing purchasable currency to be found in game, no loot boxes or luck based purchases, and fair prices on cosmetics and passes that don’t impact the game that much. Sony did not want Helldivers to be an example that you can still hit big and make money without these greedy methods. They want the old greedy purchases back and they certainly don’t want a game like Helldivers setting a standard.
bigger conspiracy: the US government forced them to do it, as a way to prevent us from playing with chinese, russian and african players. can't have world war 3 if we refuse to kill each other
it's baffling how companies can fuck you over and not get any punishment for it. the fact anyone has the audacity to defend the greedy corporations is mind numbing
Take em to court! Oh wait they have infinitely more resources than any of their customers will ever have in that department! Oh noo it's almost like it's all by design😂😂😂 megacorps is the future lmao
Something I haven’t seen pointed out that helldivers does, is that the new content just drops, no annoying trailer telling us it’ll release in a month, no they just suddenly drop content
Game development is risky these days. you could spend billions, spend 10 years in development, call it a AAAA game and people will not buy your pos game. But then HD2 came along and showed us what game development could be, only for Sony to show us how the world works
Sony does this regularly with good games too. They do it intentionally so they can say that shoveling their shit slop is the only thing that works. Microsoft, Ubi, and EA all do it too.
The worst part is that if Sony was doing this for money and play count, it’s completely backfiring because now everyone who bought the game in certain countries is refunding it and not playing anymore. Way to go Sony you just lost about 30% of your players.
Well, peak weekend players dropped by right around 50% in a single weekend. Not a good look. And its probably people desperately trying to get some last minute enjoyment. I am waiting to see how hard it tanks when it goes through
As a cybersecurity student, I can confirm that there is 0 security benefit to linking your steam account to your PSN account, in fact if implemented poorly it can be a security flaw.
Helldivers 2 dropped their account linking situation. However, after players tanked Helldivers 2 on reviews it caused a massive issue. Especially with people requesting refunds and such.
all sony had to do is give people cosmetics for linking their account, not make it mandatory, and they would’ve gotten more people to sign up and none of this would’ve happened. also i saw someone say this is actually the “let’s cut the goose open to take all the golden eggs” fable and that couldn’t be more accurate
Thats all fine and dandy for people not blacklisted. Thousands of people who now can't play. That's the biggest issue here; for everyone else, it's just an incovienance.
for real, there is the TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand pre order armor set. It's literally a walking ad for a super earth company, I bet ArrowHead could have made something similar as a sign up bonus.
you cant even sign up for PSN account in some countries. also, why would i need to create a PSN account for playing a game on PC? i never even owned a PS.
@@puckosterbecause it’s a Sony game. Same way you sign into rockstar account on grand theft auto, ea account on ea games, Microsoft account on their games, Ubisoft account, etc. it’s very common
It’s wild that they would allow the game to release without requiring a PSN account and then say that they’ll enforce it months after launch, locking out over 2/3 of the world. Sony is insane.
Apparently they even sell PlayStations in many of these areas and just stutter and deflect when asked how ppl are supposed to use them within TOS? Sony needs to get their shit together
The same people that said "Buy a PlayStation" to people who were on xbox will now say "Just move countries" to PC players who now also cant play the game.
@@kadenk9298 PSN is allowed in vast majority of countries, even the ones that are not listed. All you need to do is select a region that speaks your language. That is how millions of people in those countries who own a PS use PSN, it's literally the same for Xbox. If anything PS has more support in third world countries than Xbox. It's never been an issue for us, but because of this fake outrage and ppl asking for refunds Steam actually made the game unavailable to purchase in those countries now. Idk if there's any workaround at all now
I feel so bad for Arrowhead. They had something good, they were really happy about it and had fun with others that loved the game. And now it’s been ruined by corporate greed.
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3:10 it is for them to have more control over playerbase and whatnot so that its necessary to use something they completely control, so they could tighten the screws in the future So that if someone bypasses steam he will also need to bypass PSN so that if this if that its not for your security Its for their security so that their capacity to feed players with shit is secured
Honestly, I almost wonder if Sony is sabotaging Helldivers 2 on purpose. Like, I don't think the gaming industry appreciates that the best selling games aren't AAA titles that were made by small teams with a small budget sold at the low-low price of $40. You can also try to argue, as I've seen people do, that they can then point to this and say, "SEE! YOU CAN'T PLEASE GAMERS NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF YOUR GAME WAS SUPER SUCCESSFUL AT LAUNCH!" Probably just a silly theory, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was partially true.
The game sabatoged itself before this, look at the charts. There is only 25 hours of playable content in the game. After that level 9 missions are trivial in a non-braindead squad, and there is nothing to earn that matters. They need to release 10 more levels of difficulty or this game is dead in 3-5 months.
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The greatest irony of this is a game based entirely around satirical democracy is being killed by a dictatorship
Art imitates life imitates art
Corporatocracy* but might as well be the same thing.
Companies are inherently authoritarian and they certainly act like it
@@madarah8533Marxist detected 🤢🤢🤮
Can someone explain why this is such a huge deal? Like I genuinely don't understand why so many people have their panties in a twist. Grounded and minecraft force you to log into a Microsoft account, rdr2 and gta5 require a Rockstar account to play online, an I believe hound you over and over if you want to play singleplayer. While I generally dislike the practice, it's been going on for well over 10 years, and just now are people complaining
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penguinz0?! More like poopooz0!
I make better content..
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The bots are hungry today it seems…
Holy bots Batman!
@@OogaBooga24723 Cleaned it up a bit.
GOOD NEWS, as of this morning they backpedaled the PSN requirement. More communities need to get together and demand higher quality games.
People still can't access it in the disabled countries so the main issue hasn't been fixed.
PlayStation network required tag is still up on Steam. They haven't backpedaled shit.
4 hours after you typed that, he uploaded a video on it lol.
Call of Duty, all EA games, and all Ubisoft games
In cooperate terms it was a pretty strong statement and given it came so quickly on Monday morning I suspect there was some significant legal exposure, thata probably why I would guess Steam took down the Helldivers 2 page in countries without PSN to limit their liability, I'd guess it's staying that way till they have confirmation from Sony that this won't be revisited before re-enabling it and making any alterations to the Steam page, that'll likely take longer for an agreed wording both are happy with (or at least can live with)
What worries me a little more is the 'other systems' they will be exploring for banning players and moderating as from what I saw the community team was a little to excited to get access to PC users and start banning without going through Steam, hopefully nothing will be workable and they'll just have to live with going through Steam, but I can see something in game your obliged to sign up to so we'll have to keep an eye out for that. Way I see it, this is a win, a big one, but we'll need to be wary going foward
Update: Sony has walked back their goofball decision.
Nope
@@Brad-lt2rewhat? Did you even care to see or did you decide to just go on the first thing you heard and forgot the concept of time and thing changing over time
@@EdwardoNuttbuster The only thing left is to give us back the ability to buy the game in all of those 177 blocked countries...
@@EdwardoNuttbusterI heard they tricked everyone
@@ragedits_ I haven’t heard anything other than them going back
The helldivers issue just underscores that idea that it can take a lifetime to build a reputation and only a moment to ruin it
*Don’t read my name….* 👑
@@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd
@@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd
penguinz0?! More like poopooz0!
I make better content..
They didn’t really ruin anything at the end of the day people are still going to buy games and consoles lol i’m not siding with them but this is stupid
Someone left this steam review that sums up this whole conundrum:
“I was so busy having fun that I forgot about corporate greed for a moment.”
Nice going Sony.
Edit 1: As of May 6, Sony announced on their official twitter that they’re back peddling on the PSN requirement and not moving forward. Great job all around for the fans; the outcry against dictatorship has come in clutch and turned the tables.
Wait till you find out every other company does this
@@fluffly8935 literally who? Who else has let you not use an account for 3 months and then suddenly you have to use it
@@apkeggs7401 Gears 5 on steam does this and i can name about 30 more
@@apkeggs7401 Microsoft with minecraft, anything else?
@@fluffly8935no, nobody else does this
“They were able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” is such an incredible line lmfaaaooo
I love that by the time most of these videos went up, super earth fought back and won
Still baned from 180 countries
Sony shits the bed what a surprise
I did too
*Don’t read my name….* 👑
@@UTTPofficerRonnieMcfloydnerd
Still best in the game
@@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd
Sony’s got the ball, Sony’s got the ball, he’s gonna dunk, he’s gonna dunk! Aaand he completely fucking missed.
yall are just throwing a trantrum the only reason u didn't have to was because the servers couldn't take it and they said u WILL NEED IT DAY 1 ITS ON THE STEAM PAGE SINCE DAY 1
@@redrad4205 Sony said it themselves it wasn’t required for the longest time they are only doing this shit now to boost their active player numbers up
@@redrad4205 They literally changed the ToS of PSN linking from Optional to Required? What are you getting from licking a corporate boot, wth. If you don't have any issues then go enjoy the game, let those that have problems complain, tf.
@@redrad4205 except it allowed people to play the game without it. They took that freedom away and are now suffering the consequence. You can let them push you around but others aren't.
They didn't just completely miss, they somehow slammed the ball into their own goddamn hoop
We won… WE WON! Sony has caved and taken away the PSN requirement
fr?
@@davidsprott3216 yep
@yankee66 that may be the case but they blocked the game for purchase in those 170+ countries.
a rare W for consumers
Can't believe they would even try that bs??
I wonder if the game devs could sue Sony for this. That would be pretty groundbreaking
That'd be amazing but considering Sony funds their game seems very risky and burns that bridge from future games.
I live in Rwanda, gifted Helldivers 2 to my friend at launch, in a month it will be a digital paperweight. So stupid.
What’s f up is.. it really is an attack on countires that aren’t “ first first first’ world. So that kinda racist..
Apparently steam is giving refunds regardless of hours played
You may be able to get a refund from Steam
@@SleepLessThan3 Do gifts have refunds?
Yup as others have said, steam is honouring refunds for those in countries affected
"I am altering the TOS. Pray I don't alter it any further." - Sony probably
This
hahaha
😂😂
they didnt alter it. the devs knew 6 months before launch that it would be mandatory. they had absolutely no reason to allow people to skip signing into psn for 3 months, yet they did. as much as sony sucks, this one is entirely on arrowhead
Wherez my x wing?
9:05 "Huffing moron potions"
Potion sella! I am going into battle with the gaming community, and I need your STRONGEST potions!
"GET YOUR MORON POTION, GETYOUR MORON POTION. WE HAVE 3 FOR THE PRICE OF 4 AND 10 FOR THE PRICE OF 12. HUFF THIS AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU STARTS LOOKING LIKE CASHCOW MORONS." (Disclaimer: Moron potion (TM) doesn't make you smart. Moron potion (TM) only makes you think you are a genius. Use only as a means to boost confidence in dire, lifethreatning circumstances)
"GET YOUR MOR0N POTION, GET YOUR MOR0N POTION! 3 FOR THE PRICE OF 4 AND 10 FOR THE PRICE OF 12! MAKE EVERYONE AROUND YOU SOUND LIKE MOR0NS WITH A SINGLE HUFF"
Disclaimer: Mor0n potion (TM) doesn't make you smart. Mor0n potion (TM) only makes you think you are a genius. Only consume for boosting confidence in life threatning situations. Prolonged use might affect motor and executive functions. Not suitable for children and pregnant women.
Omfg, youtube bots won't let me post my hillarious comment
Pretendint to be an ambulant potion seller and giving a disclaimer at the end. It was perfect
They supposedly are walking back
"This wasn't part of the user agreement!"
"I have altered the user agreement. Pray I do not alter it further."
I'm hoping things brings more eyes to the fact that most terms and conditions are there to give power and control to the corps not to protect your experience or their IP
My favorite "Shoot Space bugs" game actually came out 26 years ago.
...it's called Starcraft. Man, I miss it so.
@@HTMangaka deep rock galactic best bug shooter
i was always part of the user agreement when buying the game
it wasn't changed (im not agreeing to it i think its crap but it was aways in the user agreement it was required)
@@huntresswizard569 Oh, snap! That looks AWESOME! O_O
Sony: *“You turned them against me!”*
Arrowhead: *“You have done that yourself.”*
To be fair people hated Sony already
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Nice
@@blackwatertv7018 Yeah I'm starting to think Sony wants that for some reason.
People who aren't in a PSN region can just make a Sony account and lie about the country and no you won't get banned, been doing it for over a decade. The data argument is also invalid. You're afraid of them leaking your email and Sony password? Just make your Sony password a unique one. I'm just saying this situation is mildly inconvenient at worst and PC players are destroying this community for literally no reason. It's also an insane assumption that you're just gonna SOL and be stuck with an unplayable game.
THEY ROLLED IT BACK!!!
What’s funny is they could have got a majority of the playerbase to link an account easily by making it have a cosmetic incentive. So if you linked ur account you would get an exclusive set or something that way people who have accounts are more inclined to do it and people who don’t don’t have to
As of 28 minutes ago Sony posted on Twitter: “Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we’ll keep you updated on future plans.”
That’s either amazing new or you’re an S-Tier gaslighter
@@spongegobler3449its true
Managed Democracy triumphs once more. For Super Earth!
can confirm, its on the playstation twitter. hope they do follow through with this
can confirm Super Earth is safe
I can't imagine how Arrowhead is feeling about Sony screwing up 7 years worth of work on the game.
Probably feeling like Microsoft ain’t such a bad idea
@@AredelYeah, but they're owned by Sony, so they've effectively just been impaled and left to die.
@@ButteryEvolution.hot by an arrow you could say?
9. 9 years man
@@ProtocolAbyssnah, arrowhead had nothing to do with this decision
I think “pulling a Helldiver” should be the official term to describe having an amazing thing going and ruining it with one bad decision.
Love your videos. I like how you put a positive spin on all the topics you care about just by speaking about them and raising awareness! I think your passion is awesome!!
I feel bad for the devs, Sony really shot them in the foot.
*Don’t read my name….* 👑
Their community manager didn't help....
Devs made the agreement, knew 6 months ago about this.
Y'all got played.
They knew about this like 6-8 months ago they didn’t shoot anyone in the foot
Nah. They agreed to it to begin with, purposefully hid it from consumers, and then tried to blame Sony at the end of it all. They knew the entire time, and chose not to say anything about it. The devs are just as bad - if not worse.
Congratulations. You managed to remove yourself from 90% of all markets. Well done Sony.
Edit: they decided they actually like money and reverted the change. And I thought this big business hated money for a second.
I wouldn't say 90%, it's more like 35-40% from country that can't make psn account.
And maybe 20-30% more from people boycotting
177 regions man.
Yea, most of Europe and Americas is only 10% market
@@AzparoGuardian55-70% removal of plays is still very bad.
The player count is still around 100k after the 177 region removal.
Rather than making it mandatory, they could just give in-game rewards to anyone connecting their account to a PSN account. Sony would gain their metrics, the executives would get their bonus, the players would be happy. Problem solved. But no, they have to make it hard
It took Charlie to make an video for Sony to backdown.. the power of black shirt lol
Sony "try not to ruin a great game with corporate greed" challenge (difficulty: impossible)
Difficultly: Helldiver
It’s not even corporate greed since they make money off steam purchase anyways
@@Arxy12do not act like Sony isn't greedy
@@MamaMia145they’re not
@@Arxy12 It is, because to have a PSN account you have to upload an ID now a days. They sell all of the information you provide to them. Name, Address, DL/ID Number, Birthday, ect. With this many people refusing to create an account and sharing this info with them has the financial repercussion that they cannot sell the info for those people. Additionally, many people are turned away from them due to actions like this, loss of data via hacks, ect. They have reduced their market & market share.
"Due to your data being too expensive to harvest, we are removing Helldivers 2 from Steam in your region."
Nah, its bc nobody gives a fuck abt a 3rd would country enough to buy someones info from it bc its useless
It was literally removed from the regions where ppl wouldn’t be able to make a PSN account hence they wouldn’t be able to play the game.😂
@@Sw33tBabyRaysand yet they could play just fine before, no refunds either
Tell me you have no idea what's going on without telling me you have no idea what's going on
@@thelastant8366They were able to play it, because you didn't need a PSN account.
It's not only just a nuisance to have to link accounts like this.
It's also yet another way for these corporations that want you to link your already established account on some other platform, to accounts on their platform, to collect your data.
Which likely includes, but is not limited to all of your communications with other players while in-game lol.
And its back. They had it for a week then they went back on it seeing the massive outlash.
ATTENTION ALL WHO READ THIS
Approximately 3 hours ago, sony has overturned their decision on helldivers. They're trying some gaslighting and pretending its an "honest mistake" and they're "still learning what PC gamers want". Either way, please support the arrowhead devs who spent 8 years on this god tier game. And we can all collectively agree "Screw Sony".
Nice
🔥🔥🔥FOR DEMOCRACY 🔥🔥🔥
we need to make it clear to sony its not just helldivers. PC players do not want PSN accounts on anything.
thanks!
So we don't need a PSN account to play the game we paid for ?
Trusting your account with Sony is the equivalent of trusting Patrick star with your #54 ultra rare animated mermaid man and barnacle boy trading card
accurate
I'd have more faith in Patrick
Mermaid Man says “buy more cards”
BUY MORE CARDS
Lmao
What companies will do for your information is insane.
As a single game developer, one day when my game gets on console, I'm in charge because it's my product and there'll be no account links period. How long can we take this before we snap.
poopsicle
Yall sound so corny saying words like heartbreaking lmao.
@@cornpop838 yeah god forbid someone wants to play a video game they like
@@cornpop838corn is in yo name bruh
@@JacobHilmoe-xg4dl being “heartbroken” over not being able to play a game they like is extremely juvenile and like i said, corny.
Get a refund is the answer they're looking for, and the answer he doesn't want to give.
The fact that a game this popular died over the course of a week due to something the developers had no control over sucks.
Oh they knew what they were doing and absolutely had a part in this bs
Whats absolutely crazy is that in the past 3 days there have been as many negative reviews as there were positive reviews over the last 3 months.
@@KaiBue The developers could have done more, but keep in mind that Sony manages the game's release and the marketing behind it. Arrowhead only has direct control over the development of the game, sony does everything else.
@@KaiBuethe fuck are you on about?
"No control"
Sony has since announced that they will not be moving forward with their decision.
Gentlemen. Major Order Complete.
The typical next step for the suits would be "Well the game is rated very badly, which means the dev team is incompetent. Let's fire/close them."
Edit: I was wrong and even though I don't play that game, I'm glad I was wrong.
Good, they need to be free from Soyny and make great games on their own.
Arrowhead became the dictatorship it told us to destroy
@@Micecheese Its literally Sony doing this, not Arrowhead. While they should've known that Sony was going to McFuck up their entire gig here, I doubt they figured it would be three months in instead of over a year after.
@Micecheese Not arrowhead, they are literally talking bad about Sony for this
Good. I hope they will fire them all.
"Oh, you're having fun with Helldivers 2? Let's take away that fun and replace it with suffering!"
Thanks, Sony.
Cope
@@readett756Yes, we are. Thanks for your concern
@@readett756sony fanboy detected
Nintendo would have nuked the entire project back into the Stone Age. Honestly, probably a better outcome. The game will die off anyway.
I still dunno why arrowhead straight up dont sue sony, its illegal to sabotage a game cuz you dont fully own it, yes I said it, sabotage, as what sony did falls under what sabotaging means
So for a proper update for my patriotic brothers, we beat sony✊🏽
Wasn't even a fully 24 hours after this video that they actually changed their minds. Wild
You can't refund a game if you've played more than 2 hours, the game company however, CAN change ToS after you've played 2 hours, seems perfectly legit.
Rn you can refund helldivers 2 no matter what, people with hundreds of hours are getting refunds
Try getting a manual review since the first few tries are automated
If you tell steam that it’s because of the change in terms of service, they should give you a refund. It just has to be said in a specific way and you have to say it has to do with multiplayer.
@@janitorscruffy7834 No i did not, i tried it. Apparently only those people in banned countries get refunds.
you can still refund after 2 hours its just it wont be instantly refunded, someone would have to manually review and approve it
make a good game: Publisher ruins it.
Make a bad game: Publisher cancels you = layoffs.
No Publishers: No Drama
Edit: I now learned that Arrowhead CEO Knew months before, that Sony will force Players to Link PSN Accounts.
faith destroyed. i just want to go back to 1998.
Make a good game, makes profits, layoffs for everyone to please shareholders and put more money in their pockets
You really don't need a publisher anymore in the modern age. Publishers are just a dinosaur now; a holdover from the days when games needed physical media and needed to be sent out to physical game stores. Now that we have Steam, you can easily self-publish; you pay a small fee and Steam handles everything associated with getting your game listed. Of course, all this goes out the window if for some reason you want to be on console as well. If the reason Arrowhead went to Sony is for money, they could have just gone directly to the potential playerbase instead and crowdfunded it.
The solo dev for Songs of Syx is also self published.
I really love that, especially since it’s an EA game and most EA games published, for example, by hooded horse follow massive over-hype campaign that make their EA games look like fantastic finished products.
Most publishers suck (and not just in the gaming industry), and those that try to look like they are good are just faking it to gain popularity points, especially with the EA smooth-brained white-knights
@@alvatoredimarcoThe publisher helps a lot with marketing and legal stuff, making smaller studios have more time to focus on making the actual game
Yeah, let me say, as a professional game dev who knows a lot of people in the AAA space… no publisher DEFINITELY doesn’t mean no problems. Unfortunately that’s the world we live in.
If the game survives, I wanna see crossover DLC of the Alien Franchise. With the Queen Alien being the boss and Face huggers being a unique enemy that can kill you instantly, eventually over the span of the match if caught. Acidic blood that corrodes armor, and Royal guards that help let you know you’re nearing the Queens lair.
I'm from the future, Sony backed off on the Account linking the day after this video was posted (or the same day, depending on your time zone)
We are diving into hell in real life at this point.
FR
*Don’t read my name….* 👑
@@UTTPofficerRonnieMcfloyd nerd
@@UTTPofficerRonnieMcfloyd me, i care
@@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd
Sony really let Arrowhead cook up one of the best games of the last decade, and just as it was looking like this game would actually be more than one of those hits that only lasts for a month or two, they just thought “Now if only there were a way for us to fuck this up.”
God damn I hate video game publishers.
They're legitimately useless. Just corporate bloat with predatory legal teams and braindead execs.
Self publishing is the way to go, come hell or high water. Is corporate money really worth the losses that negate the investment put in?
Ppl are overreacting imo. Sony is looking at you all and shrugging their shoulders. AH is in a panic, and players are gonna continue to play games that have the same requirements being asked of right now. The difference? They just asked for it earlier.
HD was nothing more than the twitch flavor of the month game - people were just deluding themselves that it wasn’t.
@@thephilosopher7173 You delusional clown. 177 Regions basically cant play this game anymore BECAUSE PSN doesnt exist in many countries.
@@thephilosopher7173 There are people who purchased the game that literally can't play it now. Is that an overreaction?
It’s almost like if things goes well and they’re setup for success, then they get mad and do whatever they can to sink it.
I think what it is is that they made it optional initially thinking that most people would link their accounts, with few skipping that. But when nobody did it voluntarily they decided to force it on everyone
I agree with Louis Rossman on this. If the devs/publishers can change the ToS at any moment after your purchase then gamers/customers should be able to return the product at any moment with no questions asked
Exactly
Exactly Chain
Yeah… i always thought tos was a contract of sorts… guess not lmao
Lol we wish
this would definitely be abused. business needs security as well. i would refund every game that changes policy everytime i need cashflow
Helldivers 2 is one of the best shooters we’ve gotten in a while and all Sony had to do was sit back and enjoy the benefits. But they couldn’t even do that correctly, instead they had to sabotage a live service game that wasn’t predatory and wasn’t terrible. I feel so bad for the devs, they don’t deserve this
From what I know the devs signed off on it 6-8 months ago. I could be wrong.
@@KaraTheGirliethey did, doesn’t mean they had a lot of choice though
Laughs in lost planet 2
Let's hope it can't get any worse, I mean I won't right, how likely will Sony force them to Make it worse
@@ExtantPerson They still knew about it and was watching people buy the game without giving clear warnings. They let people waste their money. They're not innocent.
This probably had a good bit to do with its success and Sony wanting to cut out Valves take on the microtransactions since they were processed through Steam
Not even 24 hours after this was posted and Sony announced they won’t move forward with the update 🎉
Helldivers are still not available in my region.
I think it also comes down to the principle of it like Louis Rossman said; if game companies can just change their terms of service AFTER releasing the game at any point down the line, then what exactly is the customer agreeing to when they purchase the games? Its also a double standard because customers aren't allowed to violate the terms but the company is allowed to amend them however they want, its ridiculous imagine buying a house and then the bank tells you 'we've changed our mind, we own the house now because we helped you pay for it"
I mean technically the bank can and will take your house as means to fulfilling debt or bankruptcy.
Just finished watching Black Sails, I guess it's a sign I should fly the black flag against sony now.
It's not really like that though, the game always said it would require psn on the store page. It was just disabled at launch because it caused some server issues or something.
@@maevegillespie6911 You can't compare a loan and a product fully bought legally.
that’s exactly how foreclosure works though. arrowhead were likely in breach of contract by allowing people on PSN without login
It's just sad to see how a big soulless company can ruin an amazing project, how a studio can be affected by choices of people who have nothing to do with their project.
Money!
"nothing to do with their project" where exactly do you think they got money from to make the game and pay employees?
Oh well, you'll forget about this in a week.
@@GrayWolf5000 Do you credit your employer with buying your car? Do you thank the bank for your home? Providing capital is not the same as actually doing the work
Just because Sony fund them don't mean they own them. Don't get trapped in the hierarchy realist mentality
When you are the layer between normal employee and corporate, you realize to them its all about goosing those numbers even if something makes lots of money you got to squeeze more and more to you kill it instead of having a steady stream of revenue. Bonuses are not based on a steady stream of money only gains in areas.
Another smaller issue that shrunk the player count was people's preferences in a community-powered co-op game, with a metagame about working collectively to fight a war on multiple fronts. Many players chose to keep playing on Terminid planets to the detriment of the Automaton front. Bit of a personal bias on this one but I was really looking forward to feeling like this was a mobile, responsive army redeploying where needed and working together and the rebalances to weapons in fairness made it trickier for some players to adjust to bots when they already needed a change in tactics, but while I find it a little harder I adjusted and enjoy going wherever my orders take me (Except for Hellmire. Fuck "Fire Tornadoes", and the horse they rode in on).
But while it's clear that most people enjoyed jumping into Malevolon Creek and fighting bots until they were wiped off the map for a day and then came back, overall I think some people didn't appreciate that this is an online live service video game that is meant to run for a number of years and not a linear action game with a storyline that can be finished in ten hours like they used to be, but player counts according to planets show that many players clearly prefer one faction and so success in the metagame is skewed in favour of those who continue playing Terminid missions.
Bot mains felt jilted that their work was undone and it was only a downhill battle to hold planets from there, people who prefer bugs got bored and sneered at other players as they refused to help with future major orders elsewhere, and bickering on Discord over people playing one or the other exclusively led to massive reduction in players on the bot front and now no new planets can be taken, I watched the concurrent player numbers drop from one weekend to the next immediately following that. Conversation turned so petty and regularly argumentative that I suggested the bot players move to a different part of the Discord to discuss what planets to work together on without all the catcalling on every other message (again, this is a community-driven co-op game), and a moderator (no, not the one you're thinking of) sent a comment addressing argumentative behaviour and preference on how to play, to the chat where the bot players had just moved to, but not to the general chat where "bug players" had been dismissive and beginning to become openly hostile. It was deflating for me and I haven't bothered engaging with the server since.
This may have been in response to earlier weeks where bot players had expressed disappointment or anger about major orders failing despite bug players answering requests for help on the bot front, but I didn't see any of that myself so without evidence I can't make assumptions about that. Since then I am pleased to say on balance, that we have been able to successfully defend ONE planet, as an uptick of players from a peak of 3k to 33k on on bot planet saw an attack on the forward operating base on Vernen Wells repelled as of last night.
And then the last and most damning has been the most unfortunate decision (presumably by Sony) to enforce the Sony account requirements that were advertised on the game from the start but Arrowhead likely decided not to enforce, that part's deeply regrettable and I completely understand the irritation that came from across the community about that, as people have genuine info security concerns after all the times they got hacked. Worse still, people are still not able to buy or possibly even play the game in numerous countries because red tape over this mess led to the game being removed from Steam altogether. This needs to be addressed immediately and I hope all the countries affected can play again very soon! :D
As I said I've been on the Discord, following along with the Baskinator drama, and also having a peek at the far-right's reaction to anything suggesting that this game is a satire made by people they hate, and from what I've seen there's been too many complaints about minor issues that have impacted the game's player count over time. The Sony situation should not have been allowed to happen as it's a bit ludicrous to expect PC players to sign up to a console company but to be brutally honest, there was no way Arrowhead could keep up with all this and keep everyone happy.
A good hundred or so bugs to fix, servers that had to be expanded, more content needed for experienced players to keep them engaged, the content added or changed not being amazing enough, the game not being apolitical enough, all of this has been dunked on, and rather unfairly for the most part from what I can see. The team had about 100 people as of last year and they are getting used to developing a different kind of game to their previous offerings, and we're only three months in. I stand with the community on the Sony situation, but if it weren't for that, my view of this community for a co-op game would be scathing as they've failed to appreciate how clearly keen Arrowhead has been to deliver a fun, balanced and welcoming experience for everyone regardless of their background and preference of playing. All of the players I've encountered have been great but overall it's clearly a different breed to Deep Rock Galactic's very kind and supportive player base, though in fairness DRG doesn't have a galaxy map to conquer together and Ghost Ship Games had the time to build up their audience and their expectations over 6 years.
Okay longest comment ever or TL;DR, say what you want but I've enjoyed this game immensely since March and wanted to show that there's been multiple understandable and normal circumstances that could be fixed with time as well as all the drama and people being quick to criticise Arrowhead, please just bear with them and I'm sure they can provide us with a game that all of us (or at least more people than not) would come to love and enjoy for years!
The fact Sony was able to fuck up Helldivers II is somehow baffling and unsurprising at the same time
Steam denying refunds is just as bad. Hopefully some people grow a spine and start calling Steam out on this. You can not just change the terms of service, especially not when it involves privacy sensitive data collection.
@@sophieedel6324They've been charging back people even with 200+ hrs. You just need to give a calm and clear refund reason to steam and they'll refund
@sophieedel6324 wow I didn't even know this, that's just theft at that point, shady companies always money hungry
@@sophieedel6324 I hear its just the automatic bot that rejects. If your ticket gets to a real person it has a good chance of getting refunded.
they didnt mess it up at all. they got like $1b to $2b out of it. so they are laughing their way to the bank
“i dont know”.
that shit is heartbreaking, watching your greatest success die and not knowing or being able to stop it.
Relatable
😢
"the greatest success you ruined. digging your own hole deeper & deeper. Not him, you, due to your own mistakes. but that's why do mistakes. We learn from them - at least some of us do."
It sucks for sure but It’s far from dying
Sony moving their headquarters to commiefornia was a mistake
The best I could have seen them doing, was giving extra rewards for linking rather than forcing it.
my rabbits foot worked
Ladies and gentlemen, sony has announced that they will be backing down on forcing pc player to connect a psn account, we won
Y’all are just pussys for that lol
For democracy 🗣️
Link or it never happened
Where's that one superman meme
@@Enforcer_WJDEgo look 🤦♂️
The fact that Sony is taking Helldivers 2 players' freedom to not link PSN is peak meta irony. One day, Sony will learn Gabe's ultimate technique of doing absolutely nothing and win. But not this year.
im pretty sure that rule about the countries is inforced by the countries themselves but that doesnt free Sony from being that stupid
@@greenstrawberrygaming Microsoft online games work in those countries. Nintendo online games work in those countries. Other Steam games of less worth and value operate in those countries. Sony simply did not want to allocate server resources, there are absolutely zero excuses.
You're being too optimistic to Sony pal.
I mean how fucking brainwashed must you be to post this comment
@kamomohilda7954 i thought the same thing. Sony has been blowing toes off their feet since the 80's.
I brought this story up with my dad and he told me stories of different sony technologies that they kept killing because they were too incompetent.
This really makes me miss the old days of physical copies played offline.
Perfect example of: 'Too good to be true'.
Imagine those poor developers. Nine years, just down the drain
Potential thousands of long and loyal customers lost from corporate greed.
A fucking Shakespearean tragedy
Helldivers is mid anyway who cares
Remember when you could play minecraft without linking a microsoft AND a mojang account? Oh yeah that was fine that they made the change but helldivers?!?! Unforgivable.
@@Thewesmen67back in my day, rage bait was believable
You know what saddens me. The fact that Sony probably won't suffer from this even though they are the ones who are mostly at fault. While the ones who will bear all the suffering and persecution is Arrowhead, who were only partially at fault. In the end, the only people whose lives were truly affected won't be the dipshits in Sony, nor would it be the gamers who lost access to this game. They would just refund and move on. The ones truly affected are the people in Arrowhead, who undeniably poured their heart and soul into their game they have been making for 7 years. Helldivers 2 and AH being a small company were like the underdog of the current gaming industry, standing up to the big dogs, and they were killing it. Everybody wants to see the underdog succeed. But now, because of a forced play from the big dogs, the support that the underdog had turned against them, and the big dogs remains untouched.
Sony cant kill their talent. Arrowhead can make another game from free Sony on the reputation of Helldivers 2
@@trequor but doesn't this affect the credibility of the studio. Who will trust them, going forward?
They really spent 7 years to make a game for Sony to ruin it in a week.
@@trequor😂buddy money ain't free there's a reason there's less and less game studios each year and get bought out all the time now
Arrowhead is only guilty of making a video game under Sony. Their fault in this is incidental, not intentional.
Sony released an update this morning on twitter saying they are no longer requiring the account linking.
I love how shortly after this video went up they went back on all of this lol
To everyone who wants refund from the steam.
I had 450 hours in game and requested refund with these words and was successful:
"Sony has retroactively changed how the game works and forced legal agreements upon me I do not accept".
I received full refund in less than 24 hours.
Pin this
yeah, there's no loss in trying your luck even if the usual rules state you're not refund eligible.
I've been trying for about 4 times now. Answered via bot denying my refund with the current 4th one still ongoing with these exact words copy pasted. I could only hope this will work.
After 450h ? Ain’t no way
@@teezy1234 They have already done it for others. Just need to get it passed the bot and in front of a real person.
I've dealt with:
2 data breaches (maybe 3, Sony refused to answer if I was part of a 3rd)
1 case of games being removed arbitrarily
1 case of movies/tv shows being removed arbitrarily
I'm not doing round 5 with Sony's bs.
Took you this long to tap out?
Sony is the only place I've been hacked from. At least as far as places that ever had credit card from me. To their credit they fixed it pretty quickly, but the hackers made a child account on my account that I couldn't detach without calling them back. I just dropped my entire PS account and washed my hands of their stupidity, and I'm not about to go back either.
You had it rough buddy. Time to kick this shit sony out of your room..........
you got suckered 5 times I'm willing to bet you're going to go crawling back to Sony lol.
@@Kingnothing7x These are from years ago, this is less "I'm done with Sony" and more "I dropped them years ago and can attest to the reason to stay away."
Cant believe they are backpeddling the backpeddle and youre gonna need one.
Steam opened refunds to people because they were fully against Sony doing this crap and people were able to get refunded for it. It doesn't seem refunds are open on the US but yknow.
“You know adding it to Xbox with cross play would boost the game overall and bring back some players if y-“
Sony:”No.”
this is why ive been vibing with Xbox lately tbh, while not perfect i think theyre making strides in the gaming community for things like connectivity and crossplay. they make their money off the games and so providing to more rather than trivially locking it for their console has been working. Its also just better for us players cause now are games are fuller and i can play with my PC buddies
rather than hording first party titles xbox releases the newer ones throughout the markets, making windows crossplay and pushing for crossplatform, If i remember correctly Even Minecraft had issues with sony tryna be crossplay between the Bedrock Edition. gamepass is banger (not all games are good but its a good alternative to buying). As of like a couple days ago xbox released a bunch of older first party games to PS including like Sea Of Thieves and several others etc.
Xbox isnt perfect but they learned to share and expand, Sony and Nintendo too busy being pretentious to grow. Nintendo will SWAT a 14yr old for drawing mario in school art class claiming it infringes their copyright, and playstation hasnt grown with the age of connectivity (and apparently do shit like this).
Its just sad
I was looking forward to my PS5 coming, finally get all the games ive been missing on but not it just feels tainted since Helldivers was one of those games I was look forward to trying
I think sony realy forced us to create psn so that they can flex it to xbox that they have an million active players than xbox 😂
@@thatplayathough8101yeah they aren’t perfect but they are definitely more advanced in certain areas
I think Sony did this on purpose. Helldivers was the first game in a long time to break the classic cash cow methods by removing limited time battle passes, allowing purchasable currency to be found in game, no loot boxes or luck based purchases, and fair prices on cosmetics and passes that don’t impact the game that much. Sony did not want Helldivers to be an example that you can still hit big and make money without these greedy methods. They want the old greedy purchases back and they certainly don’t want a game like Helldivers setting a standard.
you are a wise man
bigger conspiracy: the US government forced them to do it, as a way to prevent us from playing with chinese, russian and african players.
can't have world war 3 if we refuse to kill each other
Literally wrong, it was listed that it would require psn at launch and was only postponed due to server issues. Sony is now merely enforcing it.
@@ericb8689 was optional until they changed it right before they announced it
@@ericb8689 enforcing it why
Sad that it doesn’t seem the numbers ever came back
Was that a succulent chinese meal reference at the beginning? You cheeky bastard you 😂😂😂
it's baffling how companies can fuck you over and not get any punishment for it. the fact anyone has the audacity to defend the greedy corporations is mind numbing
Makes you wonder how many of them are bots.
@@ender_king1670 not much some people just have a slave mindset paired with a low iq
the punishment is losing their audiencelol
Take em to court! Oh wait they have infinitely more resources than any of their customers will ever have in that department! Oh noo it's almost like it's all by design😂😂😂 megacorps is the future lmao
Every corporation ever. Corporations run society cuz we are all too pussy to do anything about it
“We dive together, or we don’t dive at all.”
sony chose the third option, blacklist anyone in a 3rd world country from diving.
you can still dive just a bit deeper. deep rock is always looking for some more employees
@@diveblock2058Rock and stone, Brother.
@@diveblock2058that was smooth af lmao
@@diveblock2058 well now sony backed out, but also ROCK AND STONE (has 140 hours in DRG >.>)
MAJOR ORDER COMPLETED, Divers we’ve done it. The Sony menace has been fought back. No more PSN.
Something I haven’t seen pointed out that helldivers does, is that the new content just drops, no annoying trailer telling us it’ll release in a month, no they just suddenly drop content
Game development is risky these days. you could spend billions, spend 10 years in development, call it a AAAA game and people will not buy your pos game. But then HD2 came along and showed us what game development could be, only for Sony to show us how the world works
Billions?
Sony does this regularly with good games too. They do it intentionally so they can say that shoveling their shit slop is the only thing that works. Microsoft, Ubi, and EA all do it too.
@@envy7455 he's talking about skull and bones
The worst part is that if Sony was doing this for money and play count, it’s completely backfiring because now everyone who bought the game in certain countries is refunding it and not playing anymore. Way to go Sony you just lost about 30% of your players.
From what I heard, that number is more around the 60% mark.
@@nicholasholloway8743roughly 2/3'rd of thr globe yes. Including large parts of Asia which is mega ouch mode, numbers wise.
Well, peak weekend players dropped by right around 50% in a single weekend. Not a good look. And its probably people desperately trying to get some last minute enjoyment. I am waiting to see how hard it tanks when it goes through
All they want are those sweet PSN numbers to show their shareholders, and they’ll sacrifice the whole game for it
They did it for 2 reason, bloat psn numbers and control. Basically a ceo wanted a bonus so they posion this game
WE WONN!!!! PLEASE MAKE AN UPDATE
“or god forbid, a ubisoft account” had me on the floor
It's not even a joke. You would have to be genuinely braindead to be playing ubisoft games in this day and age.
Few have survived such a thing
did it though?
😬😬😬
i have one for rainbow six siege and assassin's creed Valhalla xd
As a cybersecurity student, I can confirm that there is 0 security benefit to linking your steam account to your PSN account, in fact if implemented poorly it can be a security flaw.
yea, lets give Sony root level access to our PCs
there is no benefit for end-user at all. only "benefits" for companies
i'm not happy with the sittuation but the reality is that
steam only share with sony your steam id which is public
Sony's databases are regularly hacked with personal info leaked.
More than likely a flaw considering Sony’s reputation for security lol
Helldivers 2 is everything all the 343 halos combined would ever want to be and wont ever be
Helldivers 2 dropped their account linking situation. However, after players tanked Helldivers 2 on reviews it caused a massive issue. Especially with people requesting refunds and such.
all sony had to do is give people cosmetics for linking their account, not make it mandatory, and they would’ve gotten more people to sign up and none of this would’ve happened.
also i saw someone say this is actually the “let’s cut the goose open to take all the golden eggs” fable and that couldn’t be more accurate
Thats all fine and dandy for people not blacklisted. Thousands of people who now can't play. That's the biggest issue here; for everyone else, it's just an incovienance.
for real, there is the TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand pre order armor set. It's literally a walking ad for a super earth company, I bet ArrowHead could have made something similar as a sign up bonus.
you cant even sign up for PSN account in some countries.
also, why would i need to create a PSN account for playing a game on PC? i never even owned a PS.
@@puckosterbecause it’s a Sony game. Same way you sign into rockstar account on grand theft auto, ea account on ea games, Microsoft account on their games, Ubisoft account, etc. it’s very common
And they won’t unshackle bloodborne (I know it’s unrelated but still)
It’s wild that they would allow the game to release without requiring a PSN account and then say that they’ll enforce it months after launch, locking out over 2/3 of the world. Sony is insane.
That is was the devs fault
Apparently they even sell PlayStations in many of these areas and just stutter and deflect when asked how ppl are supposed to use them within TOS? Sony needs to get their shit together
"Don't you guys have legs? Just emigrate to Japan!" - Sony CEO, probably
@@yupyup2347 in the end yes they laid with dogs and got fleas, made a deal with the devil, etc choose your favorite analogy
@@yupyup2347 nope not the devs, it's Sony
You should cover the Chilvary 2 situation and Soter Dan
THEY REVERSED THE DECISION BABY
The same people that said "Buy a PlayStation" to people who were on xbox will now say "Just move countries" to PC players who now also cant play the game.
They already did
Why isn’t PSN allowed in certain countries? Is Xbox live also banned in those countries?
You can't just move countries? C'mon I do it all the time
@@kadenk9298 PSN is allowed in vast majority of countries, even the ones that are not listed. All you need to do is select a region that speaks your language. That is how millions of people in those countries who own a PS use PSN, it's literally the same for Xbox. If anything PS has more support in third world countries than Xbox. It's never been an issue for us, but because of this fake outrage and ppl asking for refunds Steam actually made the game unavailable to purchase in those countries now. Idk if there's any workaround at all now
@@Feed-Your-Headyes "fake outrage"
I feel so bad for Arrowhead. They had something good, they were really happy about it and had fun with others that loved the game. And now it’s been ruined by corporate greed.
I don't. They knew where they were getting into when dealing with Sony. They've done stuff like this again and again.
Tbh, they knew they sign in with the devil
There's a reason art keeps showcasing the devil in businessman clothes.
@@NakoNakoNHthey might not have a choice and needed the money to make helldivers 2
@@NakoNakoNH Sony owns the ip for helldivers, it was either Sony or no Helldivers at all
“I wouldn’t be surprised if hackers started holding their own E3 to announce their next hack on Sony” that line alone made me subscribe, you made my morning 😂😂😂
3:10
it is for them to have more control over playerbase and whatnot
so that its necessary to use something they completely control, so they could tighten the screws in the future
So that if someone bypasses steam he will also need to bypass PSN
so that if this if that
its not for your security
Its for their security
so that their capacity to feed players with shit is secured
Honestly, I almost wonder if Sony is sabotaging Helldivers 2 on purpose. Like, I don't think the gaming industry appreciates that the best selling games aren't AAA titles that were made by small teams with a small budget sold at the low-low price of $40. You can also try to argue, as I've seen people do, that they can then point to this and say, "SEE! YOU CAN'T PLEASE GAMERS NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF YOUR GAME WAS SUPER SUCCESSFUL AT LAUNCH!"
Probably just a silly theory, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was partially true.
That's a terrifying thought but honestly i can see it being true
Likely is
The game sabatoged itself before this, look at the charts. There is only 25 hours of playable content in the game. After that level 9 missions are trivial in a non-braindead squad, and there is nothing to earn that matters. They need to release 10 more levels of difficulty or this game is dead in 3-5 months.
why would they want games to fail that makes them money
I’ve been preaching this man. I absolutely believe this is retaliatory for beating out AAA games