What engine should we put in the Foxbody? We need your input! Comparison options and prices.
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What engine should we put in the Foxbody? We need your help deciding what the future holds for our 1990 Ford Mustang LX aka: Scrappy.
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A turn key crate motor for similar money and a lot less headache. Just saying, good luck brother
You're not wrong
Personally I would build a 351 based engine possibly a stroker with a set of TFS Twisted Wedge heads and an Eldebrock Pro flow 4 fuel system with a cam that is matched to the engine and gearing . Best Wishes and Best of Luck .🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
Put something in there that almost nobody puts in one!!! A 460 badass, radicule big block!! Everyone puts an LS with a turbo, etc. in them, that's older than the crust in my dead grandma's underware FFS!! Put a badass Ford in a Ford once in your life!! If that's too much cost, go watch several Ben Alameda Racing videos, that guys got all kinds of insights on building all kinds of Ford motahs that will make giant power, and be fun and inexpensive!! Those little 302's can make and take upwards of 500ish hp, go to a 351 Windsor and they can handle 600+hp, in the right block they'll take 1000hp!! I say keep it all Ford, and this is coming from a Chevy guy!!
Haha, I just did a big block Ford swap! I'll have to check out his channel, thanks for the info!
A turn key crate motor for similar money and a lot less headache
Valid point
You can use the factory distributor with the sniper for computer controlled ignition
Really? Interesting, I'll have to look into that.
If she is puking coolant than you have a bad head gasket for sure. With knocking sounds on board too,I would just do a full rebuild,providing the block is good. There are many streets you can go down depending on how much mula you want to let go of!
Pretty much what I was thinking, just gotta yank her out and see what the story is.
A modded donor car/truck could help lower the bill but i'm guessing they ain't easy to find ! Good luck !
Very true! But I can't imagine something else being in worse shape to be a donor 😂
Rebuild what you got!! If its good 👍. Definitely the best idea in my eyes, I've said it before LS or coyote has been worn out by every single RUclipsr or anyone for that matter. Old school keep it real 👍
That might be the cheapest option haha
Also the only difference between roller blocks in tapping the intake valley for the retainer for roller lifters…machine shop charges you $150 to do it…
Pretty sure you have to get taller lifters as well with shorter push rods
@@VeteranRevivals no. You will change lifters either way with a new cam. You will have correct roller lifters.
@@VeteranRevivals not from my experience…but you can use link bars. I used non stock roller lifters with big cam
GODZILLA! Nuff Said.
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351W ROLLER.. EASY FIND!! PLEASE STAY FORD!!!
People put LS in them all the time. Probably bc it’s one of the cheapest ways to go fast and basically unlimited aftermarket. I’m interested in learning more about LS swaps lol
LS-swap it and 100 shot of nitrous !!!!!!!
Lol it can't get any traction as it is now!
Depends on heads. If it’s GT40 setup. Then nothing over 19 lbs.
Really? You don't see any HP gains with anything higher than 19?
You probably would, but to me, I would rather keep the headache of tuning until I got the AFR's/alum, great intake etc. As I have done plenty of cars with gt 40 intake/heads, and you barely notice a difference. on most cars, it caused a perpetual Rich run cycle. I always swapped back to 19s and it was fine.@@VeteranRevivals
Godzilla 7.3!!!
😂😂 atta boy! Let's go!!!!!!
Waiting for the next vid! 👍
I would stay with the fuel injection way better response I have done both but what you feel is the best option is the way to go for sure just enjoy the process and take your time. Cant wait to see what you come up with bro🤙
Great point!
I have been there MANY times with fox bodies. Have had everything from stock turd AODE cars to LS swapped turbo Holley efi ones. Take my advice..........Freshen up the 302, buy an Edelbrock RPM kit....the whole kit heads, intake, cam and all. Slap a Holley 650 dbl pmp carb on it and be happy Everything else snowballs. If you go LS.......AJE K member, stock spring perches, cowl hood and a whole 5.3 4l60e will slide right in , intake , alternator and all. Even the air compressor fits. Stay away from "cool" billet stuff and it is cheap. Stay away from Snipers...I have had two on cars and have one on my Big Block C10 works, but not worth the money.
What didn't you like about the sniper, it works amazingly well on my 460.
@@VeteranRevivals Not saying that it doesn't. But, for the price and basically no I/O it is no better than a used 650DP off marketplace unless going FI.
Just put some gt40 heads. Spray it or boost it. I've done both and both are fun S hell
Haha, I'm on board with boosting it till it scatters
Ok.. I've built 3 foxbodys.. my current is a 90 coupe with a coyote and vmp tvs.. the other 2 started off as 302 base motors that eventually got 351w (408w) put in..and my advice on a budget is to build a early 70s 351w block build cause people that have the 93 and later roller"" blocks think they have gold and that's just not the case when all you have to do is buy linked lifters..some are pricey but you could find used but I would buy new.. the older block is gonna hold wayyy more power later on down the road..boost.. nitrous.. etc.. then find a set of 3 bar gt40s or for the same money you can find a used set of Windsor SR's heads.. but a good set of ported gt40s are just as good..and do yourself a favor and carb it.. single plane intake..fyi..dual plane intake will have more down low tourqe and idle better but the single plane will have more top end.. you don't need none of the efi crap.. the trans is gonna be a weak point behind the 351w.. the money you save not buying none of that efi can be put towards a used tremec tko 600..or a if you can find it a G force t5.. if you plan on boosting it later don't cheap out on a good trans..and those gt40s ported will work really good behind boost..
Now... if... you want to really have a good motor that you can put boost behind it and the swap is fairly cheap..gen 1 f150 motor 6r80 combo.. you can buy them separately and save some money..
The control pack unfortunately is gonna be the most priciest thing you buy.. unless you find it used but make sure it's for a 6r80 or whatever trans you decide to go with a tr3650 trans is a good trans as well.. if you want to go stick. The prices for a gen 1 f150 motor has come wayy down..(I personally would go with a gen 2 f150 motor).. any one of these options are good in there on way but the gen 1 coyote is your best bang for your buck..
What state are you in btw?.. the costs for gen 1 swaps vary.. the further west you go the pricier they get..I live in fla..tons of inventory 😅..
Those are some good points!
Cheapest: throw a carb and some heads on your car. $2500
Best: coyote! Reliability, tuning is readily available. Cost $20k
Haha, yeah
Swap to Holley sniper…
Coyote should be considered. If you can find a good deal on used drivetrain, price isn’t terrible. I plan to take this route myself. I daily drive an 18 whipple charged mustang for over 80k before car was stolen. Not a single issue. Was very reliable.
I have heard they are very reliable.
@@VeteranRevivals price per horsepower isn’t bad either. I have a 92 notchback that I’m probably going 351. If I didn’t already have an aftermarket k member for the 351, I would probably go coyote myself.
If that's not a daily driver, pull it and inspect. If it is junk, then decide.
Pretty much what I will likely do
Well put a LS in it like every soul under the sun... Kidding -
BBF 460 base stroke it to a 5 something & be happy.
99 ranger here with bbf blown 871. About ready to take out a mortgage for an intake manifold.... ✌️
Haha holy crap
None of us ls guys run a $600 throttle body. Amazon ftw. Like $80. Unfortunately a stock bottom end 302 with heads and cam will only make around 300-320 hp at the tires. The good thing is you can find tons of good used sbf parts cheap.
I've been down this road....a 100 times, heads cam intake. Yes promaxx heads same as afr but put together in alabama. Ebay air gap dual plane knock off. Xe274hr cam sniper , get the hyperspark distributor and cdi box. Factory coil is plug and play. Long tube headers. Depending on what valves you get may have to dremel pistons a tad.
Also you have to change distributor gear on hyperspark distributor. Easy 400hp for cheap.
This is definitely worth looking into, hadn't really started digging into the specifics of what heads and cam yet, do this is good info. Thank you!
No ls engine keep the 302 with carb
Best option is 351 swap, carb intake, truck distributor, cam from 302, GT40P heads, home port and polish, and use the aces efi system that still allows for blow thru if wanted and let it eat. Easy peasy lemon squeezey
Nice, I like it!
Yup true
No need to go $ crazy, too easy to over power the block. If engine's ok, a) 375whp: gaskets, increase ring gap (if poss), & add boost (
Not bad options
351 all day
Or you can buy a rebuild short block from.
A part store.
Whatever you do for the love of God Please Don’t LS
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No carb, no carb, no carb. Keep it EFI at all costs
It's really hard to justify with how old, expensive, and outdated the A9L and EFI is.
7.3 Godzilla, LS Swap or Coyote swap
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trick flow 11r makes 430 horsepower
Not on their own they don't lol. The problem is the money spent on everything else to go with them to get 400ho
How about going old school? Carb, manifold, heads and cam. Freshen the motor.
That is an option, but want it to be an easy cruiser. Just hop in and fire it up.
I have a hard time trying to convince myself these cars shouldn't be carb swapped. I have a 79 pace car. It's carbed. I ditched the Duraspark setup for nice MSD ignition, only to switch back to Duraspark 2. Timing advance (vacuum and mechanical) is dialed in. Car starts and runs perfectly, even with a pretty rowdy cam. It has electric choke. The oem efi stuff is basically obsolete. Aftermarket is pretty nice but really expensive... and for what? So when it breaks you can wait for 2 weeks till an expensive replacement part comes in? I've been through that, as well. New efi will fail and the warranty on most of it sucks, as does the quality. If your carb messes up, you can usually find replacement parts locally or from a friend. A carb never left my car unusable for weeks at a time. Aftermarket efi and ignition has.
Now, if you plan on boosting it and making it really fast, efi is your best bet. You can monitor afr, spark, and timing much better. But at that point, reliability (in a daily driver sense) isn't going to be an issue. You'll be breaking other things, like transmissions, diffs, axles, blocks, etc.
351! I need to see a normal dude do a 351 swap with Holley before I decide to do the same thing
I got you!
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Hahaha hopefully!
I say go Holley 351w and create a strong base then go up. Aka go with a stock 351 (or Stock short with gt40) and terminator And then build it up (intake, boost, or whatever else).
Please don't ls swap seems like everyone resorts to that.
It's just sooooo cheap respectively, so it's a no brainer for some. But it just seems sacrilegious to put a Chevy in it haha.
Any update on scrappy sir
Saturday morning!
3 valve with a big ass turbo ......be different and ive seen 3vs on boost they are pretty nasty
Why not 32 valve? Lol
@@VeteranRevivals 3vs are cheaper
What are your goals for the car. Start with that.
It's a street/strip car for cruising, drag and drive, and power tours.
Godzilla has been done it doesn't like high rpm. Stay old school with 351sbf or 460bbf new school coyote to stay Ford or just ls swap because it's proven good power or be different an go 6cyl with the atlas 4200 engine good luck brother 🤘💪
I don't know that I could bring myself to do a 6, haha. I don't care how much power it makes.
I've heard the 4200 compared to a 2jz check out Nivlac57 on here he just made 1000hp with one
Cleetus took the Godzilla too it's ragged end with twin turbos and a Bruno lenco in his notch back called mcflurry it was upgraded with all the supporting parts the Godzilla has right now an every time it'd get turned up itd pop head gasket so they now have swapped a coyote in it
Buy a wrecked mustang GT with a coyote motor and bam ! Sick foxbody
Still $$$$$ haha. Don't think that I haven't been looking though 😂
@@VeteranRevivals b is for build got one at auction that was wrecked in back for like 8k. You still need seats for scrapi,plus all the sheet metal you could sell from front , interior parts etc.
351 and if budget is tight go with a carb and later go with the sniper system.
I have 5 foxes in all state of build. I’m doing a 351 for whichever one blows first. You can use a none roller block and just get Ty bar lifters. If you are planning on keeping the car for a while and the 302 is good build it as budget allows. Then score a 351 and do short block while enjoying the slow 5.0 life. Just my $.02. Love your style of content.
Excellent advice! Thank you! 🤙
Godzilla!
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Find a old rv or van and pull the 460 and c6 from it carb and intake and send it on its way or If you want to be really different put a 472/500 cadillac in it carb and intake if you are looking for budget street power start big .
You should check out my 460 swap series haha
yeah i just ran into your channel just a day or so ago @@VeteranRevivals
Hell yeah, welcome aboard! 🤙
Hey bud sweet ride,but why not get a whole motor from an explorer and stick a carb on it and run low 12s in the 1/4? We have a 85 GT with that combo.check out my RUclips channel and see the white mustang and see the times it run. If you’re looking for a block I have a 306 for sale,if you’re interested.
I'll check out the channel! we'll keep that 306 in mind as well!
LMR- 331 kit. Rotating assembly, pistons , rings. Whole bottom end. 1400 bucks. Would need obviously a .030 bore. 28oz flywheel and balancer. Gt40 heads. Sniper efi sounds really really cool. And I think it would be pretty fun. Some whirlie noises from a spin-e thingy It would be a nice little hot rod
Not a bad option! I am always game for a wu tang war whistle!
I went down this path. It still ends up over the $10k range. Not worth it if you ask me
@@rattletrapfox1001 I did this as well. Everything but the sniper kit. I have a elderbroken efi intake. It’s not together yet. Supercharger is a v1 used. Have about 2600 in it. It’s not gonna be the best thing ever but it’ll be fun enough for cruising around and reliable
Either pull it out and build it using maybe GT 40 heads forged, pistons camshaft. But if you’re going to want to play around with an LS sell the mustang and buy an old Camaro and keep it right.
Fair enough, haha
351, heads and cam with the sniper 2 and a TKX behind it (PS: get those LS thoughts out of your mind)! lol
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I think you should go with plan 6735-916😜
😂😂😂 good choice
I currently have a 306 with gt40 heads, cam, rockers , and all forged assembly with a sniper and hyper spark. its a lot of fun, but not near as fast as I want it to be. its going to be getting a on3 kit here in the near future to bring it up to 450-500. Over everything with machine work and all I'm into it about 8k before the turbo kit. Just something to think about!
I figured a little boost wouldn't hurt haha
Back again! To be 100% honest with you I would look into a ls. Parts are everywhere. I’ve been through 4 mustangs and regret not going ls. Ford motors are great but just power wise that you want daily and to be reliable would be a ls all day. Might seem a bit pricy but you would not regret it. Wouldn’t have to change it ever again other than to upgrade it! Good to see the car again man hope all is well!
It's looking more and more enticing as each day passes haha. Maybe send this one to the moon with some boost and then swap in good stuff after haha.
just do a e7 with better spings and a on3 turbo kit
Haha, I'm with ya! Let's send this sucker to the moon!
Sniper on the 302 would be cool to see. I have a carb on mine and kick around the Holley sniper idea all the time.
Afr enforcer heads are reasonable price and will support a 351 later. Only thing you would be out is a 302 intake manifold. ✌🏼
Yeah that's not bad as far as sunk cost
I kept mine stock aside from ARP bolts and cold air. The vacuum system is the biggest PITA. I just came to terms that this engine is not going to be a powerbarn of excitement.
Haha, yes I hear ya
347. Long block from summit racing. $4000.
I thought the same thing - but that price doesnt exist - i just looked.
I would buy a used 302 of FB market, cheap set of Ford Explorer GT40P heads & Intake, Anderson N21 cam, ON3 Single turbo Kit & a Holley Terminator X although, a Bama 4 Bank Eliminator chip for the A9 actually works decent vs spending $$ on the X. The P heads and turbo kit headerrs may interfere with each other as far as installing plugs so, you will probably need a regular set of gt40 heads but, the explorer upper/lower intake will be fine, accufab 70mm TB, a matched 70mm Pro M MAF and 53lb injectors and a decent fuel regulator. No matter what you do, 5K minimum or pull motor, regasket, new rings, new bearing and slap it back togeter with a carb and some sort of HP adder NOS/Blower U know what I mean. I lke the ON3 idea the best/doable $$ option. Who knows, ON3 may make a set of turbo headers for the GT40P heads, that would solve $$ problems, tons of those heads on FB or junkyard for less then $250. Good Luck and I'll keep watching!
Interesting, I'll have to look into that.
I like option 3 with heads with either motor
Looking like the best option 🤙
Sounds like you are hating Carbs lol...marketplace !!!!!!!!! used parts etc
Haha, I don't hate carbs at all. But I will admit that I hate having to constantly tune the thing 😂
Brother everything depends on where you want the project to go@@VeteranRevivals
347 Stroker Keep It Ford no Chevy
I had a 1990 LX notch and it had a Lunatti voodoo cam and ported upper and lower intake. I didn’t build it, just bought it that way. It was very fast. Don’t know how. Had the factory efi still too. Got 21 mpg too. Trans synchro or something went out and I lost all gears so sold it back to the guy I bought it from since I was a broke college kid. It would pin your head back and that was 1999 technology!
I have no doubt they can be fast with the OBD1 stuff, just not very customizable.
I wouldn't use a terminator x with a heads cam motor. You can go old school and get maf to match the injectors. Look for a used c @ l meter . I have bought nice used parts at foxtober fest swap meet .
Just LS swap it
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Coyote the most expensive or go big godzilla
Haha, I need to get your bank account number
Lotta options there Art, and since I'm a neanderthal comparatively speaking as far as everything you've been talking about I'll just leave you with good luck. May the best option win!!😅😅
Hahaha thanks for the help!!! 😂
Personally there no more bigger disappointment the tearing into a project and finding what you have thought all along. Then have to search for motor options. Go with the 351 out the gate , then you can’t be disappointed because you made a plan ahead of time. Not a ford guy but keep it ford. Everyone seen the ls in a fox body swap. It’s a lot of money for the 351 plan you have , but if that’s what you want then 9k is just a number…… still hurts though lol
Haha, yes it even hurt to look up the prices
You don't need the Holley High ram intake manifold and LS TB to go Terminator X. Explorer engine with a cam swap is the cheapest way to back running. I chose to go turbo with Terminator X on the stock engine. So far so good. When it expires i will determine which is cheaper 351 or LS. Transmission options are a big part of the cost. You can run the older 351 cams are even cheaper for them.
Valid, I can just do the harness and Terminator to bypass the A9L.
@@VeteranRevivals A9L is pretty forgiving. If you're not going wild it might not need a tune. I am not a tuner, and I am too stubborn to pay one. The Holley's will adjust fuel to run target AFR which is really cool, but there are some canned spark tables. They are good enough, but a dyno tuner will tell you they can do better. I still have not gotten the idle my great (see above).
So if you want a cruiser explorer motor mild cam no tune A9L. If you want more power and SBF I would go Terminator X and a power adder, or LS (and maybe still power adder)
This one i am following, personally 351w as it will handle above 500 or better and not split in half.
There's no replacement for displacement! 🤙
Consider if you want to play, you’ll have to pay. Those are generally the rules.
😂 for sure
If you can't do a coyote swap do an LS.
It's still on the table.
Well....as a fellow Foxbody owner who has contemplated pretty much all that you've mentioned. I have to say... the Sniper 2 route has me intrigued. My 2Tone '87 Vert is as you know, Speed Density. Why would I even attempt just a plain old MassAir Swap with an A9L? When there is Terminator, Fast and Sniper 2 available. 351 is out, don't want to lose my Sleek looking Stock hood, nor go with solid motor mounts. 331 Stroker was high on the list, due to the fact that I have 302 roller from a 94 F150 sitting on a stand, short block only. But machine work is also crazy $$$$, not to mention and Eagle Forged Stroker kit.
But to be honest, I would like to see the Sniper 2 route...
I'm curious to see just how much it would wake this car up
91 F- 150 is NOT a roller motor, nor is it the same firing order. Just saying .....
@johndoe-zb8bm good catch, meant to write 94
Ls swap , it may not be cheap but the power you would make vs money to make the other motors fast it’s a no brainer , I do like the new 5.0 but it’s crazy expensive
Yeah, ridiculously expensive.
@@VeteranRevivals you sure?
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Interesting choice, what benefits do I have going this route?
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Gt40 intake upgrade isn't that much or a complete explorer engine swap if it's bad and I don't necessarily think you'll need to change injectors you won't be able to make much more than 500 on those blocks anyway unless your gonna run boost then yeah fo sho I'm in the same boat as you I got a pro charger trick flow heads long tube headers gt40 upper lower still need a valve train for heads and a cam prob will need to upgrade distributer injectors throttle body map and I'm sure a hundred other things just to get the 450 500 hp my next roller I'm going ls at least the ceiling will be higher
Yeah, just so many things have to be changed to make minimal power 😞
Put a Holley sniper carb on it if the engine is good❤
It's definitely up there with the considered choices
Just saw a YT video on Fox's Abroad that showed a 5.0 split block after making 3 Quarter mile passes when they went from 500 to 575 horse ponies. I'd get away from that 5.0 if at all possible.
It takes soooooooo much money to get up to those numbers on the 5.0, not sure it's something we'd be willing to bet on haha
Why did you fail to mention they ran it LEAN a ton and wrecked the motor?
there's soooooo many $1,500 running & driving Chevy trucks out there, I'd LS swap if it was mine.
That's the biggest allure to the swap
I was waiting on you to mention the LS route. I have nothing against the LS. I own a 6.0, great motor. Don’t do it. Rebuild the 5.0 with heads, cam, intake.
Haha, it hurts a little to consider rebuilding a $500 engine.