I remember how mind-blowing this was when it first aired. The old, decrepit station we first saw in the pilot transformed into a garrison that can swat half a dozen Klingon ships out of the sky like flies.
For me it's one of the best moments in Star Trek and right up there when Voyager used transphasic torpedoes to blow up the Borg cubes. That was so badass the first time around.
@@josephperdomo1536 They did but they backed off at the end as Gowron knew that between the station's weapons and the weapons of the approaching Federation relief force he had no chance of victory and that to stay would not only see his fleet burned from the stars but start a war with the Federation that the Klingons couldn't win as they weren't strong enough to fight both the Federation and the Cardassians as Worf started to say to him and which Gowron finished 'destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory and ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat'.
Man, this episode was satisfying in many ways. I think this is the first time when the Federation has actually been properly *prepared* for battle -- at least in the main timeline. For so many years the Federation was almost always undergunned, undershielded, holding back, and getting shot half to pieces before returning fire. But here the Federation finally seems to get its shit together, and even the Klingons drop their jaws in terror. And those six approaching starships were probably coming in with the same attitude.
The Dominion really gave Starfleet a wakeup call, and it's great how the writers appeared to develop the story along those lines. I imagine that it's a lot like how WWI prepared the US for WWII.
The Federation has come a long way from when James T. Kirk was a young man. In his era, the Federation was staunch fast in holding onto the idea that peace can be achieved no matter what, and that violence wasn't necessary. When the Federation made peace with the Klingons, a long time enemy, it made them believe that their way was the right way. But over the decades, as the Federation kept expanding, they began to encounter more and more hostile races. Hostile races that made it clear that, no matter how much the Federation preached about peaceful co-existence, that they didn't feel the same way. And didn't hesitate to make the threat they pose abundantly clear by attacking the Federation whenever they got the chance. The Romulans have always been an enemy to the Federation, but they never really pushed the boundaries farther than they needed to. But the Borg, the Dominion, the Cardassians, etc: each were a strong enough threat to make the Federation question their own beliefs. It's almost like growing up: the Federation of Kirk's time was like a naive child; believing everyone could eventually come together to sing Kumbiya. But as it grew, it became more aware of the dangers surrounding it, and that to not use violence, even in self defense, could get everyone in the Federation killed or enslaved. And that sometimes you have to go on the offense in order to stop the enemy. And so we've reached the point where the Federation has become 'an adult': would still prefer peace, but won't roll over like a lapdog and surrender.
@@ShaolinShadowStroke It was the Borg that really "Woke Up" Starfleet since obviously there was no diplomatic solution when it came to the Borg. The Dominion was the final test to see if Starfleet had learned from its mistakes yet still held onto its principles.
You always imagine what it was like for the starships preparing for battle being told DS9 was under heavy attack by a Kingon fleet and that they were going to war -nNo holding back but full on attack.
I like how the start of this scene parallels the Cardassian attack in the first episode. Kira fires their only 6 torpedoes and then bluffs saying they have hundreds more. Here Sisko actually has that many torpedoes yet Gowron doubts him.
@@macccu to be fair, apex predators typically have forward facing eyes to track prey better. Klingons by their evolution would have poor peripheral vision.
@@EmperorRahemHumans have forward facing eyes too, yet our peripheral vision is alright. Also it's hard to believe you become "apex predator" without being able to spot something like that not even hiding Bajorans. That's just poor screenplay but that's ok. It's just orcs in space.
@@kadindarklordEspecially since in the pilot episode of the series they tricked the Cardassians into believing they had 5000 photon torpedos, by misleading their sensors with thoron fields and duranium shadows - exactly what (fake) Martok speculates here. Only this time, the weapons are real.
I love how casual Sisko and Kira's initial shots on the Klingon boarders were. Usually in Star Trek, the heroes stand there for a solid minute before reacting, and this was just like, "Enemies? Whatever. Eat phaser." Also, points for the generic security staff. Sure we first see two get gunned down, but then we see two of them take out three Klingons. The whole battle shows great back and forth between each side. Finally, Garak and Dukat bitching at eachother while fending off Klingons is priceless.
Lets just be clear, those were Bajoran Security Officers. The Bajorans aren't Starfleet. They're a Militia. So Security is more their focus, compared to Starfleet Officers.
I was never impressed with how wimpy and underpowered the station was until this episode. Amazing what you can do when you actually supply your station with the right armaments.
Space stations in Star Trek were generally not well armored and could not handle attacks from enemy ships going back to the balance of terror episode in the original Star Trek. Because of the dominion threats Through the Wormhole deep space nine was forced to become battle ready.
Its the same reason warships were always prefered to coastal fortifications: Funding. It was better to have mobile weapons platforms than immobile ones. More bang for your buck over an entire coastline/space empire. Space stations or floating gun platforms are the worst of both worlds though, they cant move, and they can sink, AND they can planned around since space stations stick out like a sore thumb. Better to hide a weapon on a planet when possible.
You forgot the singular best part of this entire episode. *Worf:* "What are your orders, Captain?" _(everybody looks nervously at the advancing Klingon fleet)_ *Motherf***ing Pimphand:* Battlestations.
Just imagine if Sisko would have been played by Samuel L Jackson. I can just imagine it now: "Enough is ENOUGH! I have HAD it with these Motherfucking Klingons attacking my Motherfucking Station!!" Hahaha
That moment when all those weapon stations pop out is so incredibly satisfying :D Sisko doesn't bluff but he will fuck you up. The guy is a true legend (with an epic goatee)
Until the DVD'S came out I always thought Worf (of screen) had broken his bat'leth and just picked up one piece of it and kept going! If you ever wondered why they always used torpedoes well, on the to show (according to the TNG commentaries form the Blu-ray set) each phaser beam cost the studio $10,000, convert that to today’s money and each phaser beam costs: $17,827.82 a pop --(taken from the script)-- Martok: They fight like Klingons! Garown: Let’s teach them how do die like Klingons. Martok: Understood, target their shield generators.
@@sirsneakybeaky we're talking about the early 90's here were and TV to boot hand drawn animation, colour correction, photography, lighting yeah $10k i mean that can be done in 10 seconds (not literly) these days but back then....
@@vasyear Plus the colors for each races phaser was different. Though its funny how SFX works. One SFX guy for Stargate SG1 said once at the start of the show it cost tons to do simple things like space battles. But after they made an in house program to do the main things their SFX costs went down tons. TNG had full models and reused them a lot. That's why the other star ships they met were all Excelsior class for the first year or so. They spent a lot to build and film the USS HOOD for the pilot. DS9 started as models and then transferred to all CGI by the end. You can tell its some models by the ship explosion at 2:20. It explodes into parts of how hollow models would explode. There was a SFX show that showed how they did the DS9 pilot. When the USS Saratoga gets blown up by the Borg the model is just stuffed with explosives and hug from the ceiling of the sound stage and blown up.
Klingon episodes are what happens when the showrunner FINALLY tells the actors "Ok, cut loose and have fun". Especially Gowron. I LOVE how Chancellor Gowron is played.
The Deep Space Nine of Emissary was an abandoned husk that couldn't decently defend itself against 3 Cardassian ships. 3 years later, Benjamin Sisko transformed that station into not only a thriving community and open port, but a nearly impenetrable fortress.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 I'm guessing the only reasons they *didn't* put down a spacedock type starbase are 1: the bajorans technically own both DS9 and the wormhole, so they really have no claim to plop down a spacedock there, and 2: they figured they could retrofit DS9 into a proper battle station for the Bajorans to guard the wormhole, and that they did.
@@Timeward76 but instead the station was about to be overrun by the klingons had starfleet not arrived, instead the station was overrun by the dominion. So perhaps plombing down a spacedock and, yknow, giving it to bajor would have been great.
Remember during Emissary it was only recently that the Cardassians retreated from the Bajor systems. It's likely that the Cardassians stripped Terok Nor of most of its defensive armament during the retreat to deny the Bajorans and Starfleet. At the same time it would leave the station vulnerable if the Cardassians decide to reclaim their former conquest
Garak "I find this hand-to-hand combat quite distasteful" Dukat "I suppose you prefer the simplicity of an interrogation chamber" Garak "you have to admit, it's much more CIVILIZED" My opinion some of the BEST lines from this episode. And I can just imagine Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost appearing, seeing Garak's phaser, then saying: "SO UNCIVILIZED!" Hahaha
Garak: it's ironic, when the Klingons attacked the station, Gul Dukat and I were fighting side by side, I must admit...he made a very tempting target. Odo: you'd shoot a man in the back? Garak: well, it's the safest way, isn't it? But then I thought, well, no, I can't handle all these Klingons by myself...so I let him live. Odo: and now you regret it. Garak: ah, my dear Constable, before this day is over, everyone on this station is going to regret it.
@@Redshirt434 DS9's writers were always excited when they got a Garak episode. They got the opportunity to write subjects and in a style they normally didn't.
The very moment when the DS9 TV show turned a corner, and was never the same again. When this first aired in 1995, I felt like I knew I was watching TV history.
Yeah. Things started getting pretty good once they leaned more into ripping off Babylon 5, huh? -- Kidding, kidding! Well, mostly. I watched and loved both shows, for what it's worth.
This was when it distinguished itself from other Star Trek series: it would then focus on war and how it can effect a society as a whole, even one as utopian as the federation. This is why DS9 is one of my top two favorite Star Trek series alongside the next generation.
this scene is why I love DS9. Worf is much more badass, and Sisko is not afraid to kick some Ass. The man takes on the entire Klingon fleet and kicks the asses of multiple Klingons in hand-to-hand combat.
Sisko is a savage and he don’t play no shit. I forget what episode, but I remember he was going to commit genocide on a whole planet that his ex-comrade who betrayed Starfleet was hiding on if he didn’t give up someone, or something. Dude basically told him to fuck off. Sisko was like “oh really?!” Shoots a toxic gas. Dudes was shocked. Sisko says “Ready another torpedo.” I was like oh shit! He is gettin gangsta.”It was just sad. To see Sisko go down that route. His friend betray him twice. His crew witness Sisko as a person of a destruction and not their captain/friend.
You have to watch the TNG series first though, to understand how dope this scene is. It's an epic build-up. TNG takes place during peacetime in the galaxy. Gowron was Picard's good buddy
Considering the Bajorans were likely all veterans of the occupation fighting and Star Fleet actually, you know, trains people. The Klingons really underestimated them. And I bet its mainly because I can't picture the Klingons having a regular training schedule. You need to practice.
Tbh it’s pretty unsurprising that in the end, Sisko, Dax, and Worf are the last three standing. Of course Worf is a Klingon so he knows how to fight, Dax knows because of Curzon, and I’m sure Sisko picked up some stuff when Curzon was mentoring him.
I think one of the things I liked most about the ground battle in this is that the no name Starfleet and Bajoran officers were actually giving as good as they were getting. So often in Star Trek the Starfleet grunts are no better than Stormtroopers.
Its funny how tough the DS9 crew really is when you think about it...Dax with life times of training, Worf being him, Kira being raised in war, Odo being a shape shifter and Sisko is just a badass.
Sisko saw action before against the Tzenkethi too. If you decide to go with Star Trek Online canon, Tzenkethi are like four meter tall beefy dinosaur people. Suddenly him fighting his heart out here makes so much sense.
I just love the part where Dukat and Garak are still sniping and bitching at each other while surrounded by armed Klingons trying to kill them. Kudos to Dukat for the hand to hand combat whereas Garak takes the more "civilised" route of a disruptor from range 😁 I loved this version of Dukat. More of a frenemy who had a great arc from season 3's Civil Defence until they decided to make him an out and out deranged villain with the Pah Wraiths plotline.
I cannot describe what a banger this was to see for the first time when it came out. Three full seasons of DS9 being relatively static and coming off the era of low-key TNG battles. Then in this episode, we have DS9 revealing these extending torpedo launchers with a 5000 round magazine and absolutely hosing the Klingons with fire. I'm pretty sure we saw more ships destroyed in this single episode than all of TNG combined. It's really the first large scale battle in Star Trek that we see on-screen outside of Wolf 359 in the DS9 pilot.
The CG space battles toward the end of the series might look more detailed and realistic, but that model Vor'cha at 2:20 getting blown up for real is one of my favorite effects ever.
I suspect that was a Playmates Vor'cha toy. Vor'cha's command module (also the front disruptor emitter) could detach from the rest of the ship like an escape pod or saucer separation. I remember modifying my Playmates toy to do the same thing.
The Negh'var is like the Klingon's Yamato. Biggest best ship in the fleet, and too expensive and costly to risk in actual use. (at least at this point in the timeline)
That ship packs a ridiculous amount of punch! The entire Dominion-Cardassian fleet from Call to Arms pummeled the station and yet they could not defeat DS9’s force fields. From what I gather, it carries disruptors heavy enough to destroy or disable fortified bases and fixed defense platforms.
I would’ve loved to have seen a wide shot of this battle. Another wave of Klingons could’ve decloaked and on their view screen it shows them watching a number of ships getting swatted down by DS9 as they fly in to assist their fleet knowing they’ll probably meet the same fate but unphased because this is what every Klingon lives and dies for lol. I could just imagine seeing hundreds if not thousands of phaser beams just ripping through the birds of prey followed by multiple volleys of photons torpedoes from a stationary space station. Then at the end when the federation task force arrives it shows a bit of the same but this time it’s the remnants of what was the Klingon occupation force. And the iconic “post battle moment of silence” so the audience could get it in their heads this isn’t the happy, fun, Naive, and oblivious “wanna be your friend” starfleet we used to know. Now it’s, “peace is the goal but if it’s war you want. Then it’s war you WILL get.” That would’ve been fucking amazing. The cost of that episode would’ve been fucking amazing to BUT damn would it have been cool.
Someone in the staff made a "life of a torpedo" from storage rack to launcher to the ship it whistled thru... A cut down version in final cut is all we see.
Star Trek has always had 1 glaring weakness... Lack of consistency. Klingons are born, raised, trained, and tried for combat. Yet 90% of the time they loose in melee to non-Klingons.
The star trek writers had a habit of wanting to show how strong someone was by having them beat klingons, the thing is it was done so much that it didnt make anyone seem strong anymore it just made the klingons look weak.
Worf a veteran warrior (champion in batleth) Nera a veteran warrior fought cardassians for decades Sisko veteran officer fought the borg Dax centuries of combat exp
@@prismaticbeetle3194 Not really accurate. You're correct about Worf, but not so much the others. Kira did fight the Cardassians yes, but it's unlikely she spent much time fighting them in melee, considering she was a child much of that time. Sisko is a war vet (he actually fought in a war before DS9, not just the Borg) but it's not clear how much melee combat he saw. He did have some training as a boxer at least. And Dax did not have centuries of combat experience. Only her most recent host had being trained in klingon combat. None of her other hosts were fighters. Plus you have to keep in mind that Klingons were not supposed to be better trained, but physically betters as well. They were much tougher that most species, having stronger bones and redundant organs, meaning they could last in a fight far longer than most.
Heh never more true than with Worf himself. He was always getting beat up. The only times you really saw him being the ultimate warrior he was supposed to be seemed to be when fighting other Klingons. They did fix this to some extent with the Jem Hadar, but even then non-klingons seemed to be able to take them on as well.
Kyra gets stabbed in the lower side of her gut and still managed to kick some ass, and Worf stabs a Klingon that's about ready to kill him from behind. Two of the best parts from this scene.
If the main heros die then there is no show so the klingons were doomed from the beginning. I would chock it up to bad writing 9 out 10 when this happens in Star Trek as it often did.
To be fair, the Klingons are seldom the bad-asses that they think they are. They usually get pasted pretty badly. Probably partly because they like to use archaic weapons and fight for glory. Remember, the Bajorans, while a fairly spiritual and peaceful people on the whole, are just off of decades of Cardassian subjugation and resistance fighting. Presumably, most of the security staff are veterans of that fight. They don't fight to win, they fight to *kill* and they don't fuck around. On the other hand, I'm wondering why Odo even dodges Bat'leth strikes. It's not like they'll hurt him. Realistically, he could have cleared the promenade in a few seconds a là Groot, too.
The first and one of the best, great battle scenes of ds9 as the station and its crew go head to head with the klingons and give as good as they got and show the empire that the federation has teeth, when properly prepared for war.
I'm kinda suprised that O'Brien didn't design the weapon systems to target and fire at least partally on its own. A lot better firing sequences by timing each different system while another cooled/reloaded/recharged. Would've made Worf's job a lot easier.
It's probably because in a show like that, they don't WANT things to be too automated. They need stuff for the characters to "shine", and manual firing means they don't have to make excuses why their highly profiled weapons operator keeps switching to manual. Remember "Legend of the Rangers"? They had this super-ridiculous firing control system, and the only reason I can think of for having that was because it looks a lot more fancy, and lets characters actually "do" something instead of just hitting buttons on a touchscreen that isn't even visible most of the time. Or remember how a commanding officer on the Enterprise has to "encrypt" or otherwise lock down controls before invaders are starting to punch the buttons, instead of a having a 24th century computer just not accept anything from unauthorized persons... or even identify hostile intruders as such and take countermeasures. If it's not Data or some advanced misguided alien supercomputer, 24th century computers seem to be just the same as ours with slightly better voice recognition. I believe that's also the reason why nobody ever seemed to think about having specific transporter-disruptor signals. I mean, transporting people is a lot more involved than just throwing a lot of energy at something and hope it damages that something, so it should be much easier to prevent transporters from working even if the combat shields are down. The Klingons would not have been able to board the station that easily, as trying to transport through any kind of transporter-scrambler/disturbance would just mean they'd execute themselves...
Earlier in the episode O'Brien mentioned that the weapon systems were just installed and never tested. Notice how many torpedoes go way off target. A year later against the Dominion each torpedo hits a target.
I dunno; the episode-long battle Kirk had against the romulan commander in that Balance of Terror TOS episode was and is a pretty great battle of wits.
Gentlemen, take your seats. Here we have Deep Space 9. She don't look normal, she don't operate normal, because she ain't normal. This whole station is heavily armored with ablative armor, 6 inches thick. Shield generators upgraded with enhanced Mercassium. This station's armaments include 48 torpedo launchers with a stock of 5,000 medium yield photon torpedoes. Its 48 rotary-mounted, 36 stationary and 3 slide-mounted Type 12 Phaser arrays mounted across all pylons, the docking and inner rings are capable of firing over 300 particle beams per minute. And that, gentlemen, is one hell of a sh*t storm in anybody's language. Now, let's take a look and watch the lady strut her stuff. The red dummies are Klingon Warships, white are Innocent civilian transports and cruisers .......
I remember reading somewhere that those are the same ones Starfleet uses for planetary defense. Same with the torpedo launchers, they are designed to be able to destroy ships from ground level. So I imagine those with not atmosphere to go through are quite potent!
Yeah, I am guessing with the power generation of a huge space station, DS9's phasers would outclass even a Galaxy class starship in power output. Combine that with dozens of phaser turrets striking from multiple angles. As well as shorter cycle times.
Station phaser are much more powerful than ship phasers. They dont have to use energy on propulsion like a ship does, so they can dump their huge powerplant into all weapons and shields
Even if individual phasers aren't more powerful than the heaviest starship ones, DS9 had a lot of them, and could target multiple beams on a single target.
Genuinely I love this episode. It doesn't make Star Trek a Star Wars show - it just shows that no matter how "good" you are - you are going to nee to defend yourself and those who can't.
Who said it did? One can like both franchises. I do. I'm one who can watch The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan. Sometimes I wonder which villian is worse: Palpatine or Khan. On the surface it's easy to say Palpatine for obvious reasons but one shouldn't count Khan out. The Federation was still very afraid of him long after his death. Even Palpatine couldn't command that kind of fear. As far as I know learning the Force in of itself for either side was never outlawed like Genetic Engineering like the Federation did. In fact, as I recall most iterations of the Republic and the various forms of Sith rule also frowned on Genetic Engineering
Star Trek was in its golden age during the late 80s through the 90s Starting with the next generation and reached its peak with ds9 but flattened with voyager and crashed with enterprise but voyager and enterprise did not damage Star Trek as discovery and Picard did the writing on both discovery and Picard are worse then both the original series, the next generation, deep space nine, voyager and enterprise combined
@@stevenhuynh1999 Well as a new fan born in the 90s, my perspective is I learned the most about writing from DS9 and TNG even with Voyager then I have from seeing modern star trek. I got into the universe because of the JJ Abrams movie and they have a special place in my heart. I sort of think that Trek embodies its most flawed yet strong focus in the 90s era. DS9 is my favorite because it sort of has a strong focus on character arcs and even politics yet it feels Star Trek still. Picard doesnt. I feel like TNG picard would start a speech about how bad it is.
5000 photon torpedoes. I timed it and it looks like the firing rate for a launcher is approx 3 per second. With 5000 a single torpedo launcher could fire constantly for almost 28 minutes. But there's multiple photon launchers. At least one launcher at the base of each pylon. Two more on each upper pylon tip, so that's 9 (They didn't show lower pylons) It looks like at least one weapons array emerges out of the outer ring elevators. (the same elevators used for runabouts) So there's at least ten photon launchers. That means the station can fire 30 per second at a constant rate of fire. They'd go through 5000 torpedoes in less than 3 minutes if all launchers fired at a constant rate. Ten launchers can fire 30 per second That's 1800 per minute. = 5400 in 3 minutes. When the Enterprise B engaged three Romulan ships to defend a Klingon outpost, it took far fewer torpedoes to open a tear in the fabric of spacetime. So DS9 better be careful firing that many photon torpedoes, because they might f*ck up the timeline or something.
Benjamin Sisko: "Right now, I've got 5000 photon torpedoes armed and ready to launch. If you don't believe me, feel free to scan the station.". Great television! Great science fiction! Television at its best! Sci-fi at its best! The very best episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and all Star Trek TV series combined together! The greatest space battle ever! There will be none to match it. That was a very big milestone in this sci-fi TV series. Star Trek Deep Space Nine took a new direction and wasn't the same since then. Excellent special effects. Also the best hand-to-hand fight in history. It will be very hard to match. Star Trek at its best! Great Star Trek, period! That is all! "Today is a good day to die!".
Wow! I grew up with TNG but never really got into DS9. This makes me want to watch it. Great seeing it turn from a Fleet battle to a vicious hand-to-hand melee with Klingon boarding parties and heavy casualties. The choreography was a bit wooden at times but for TV Star Trek this was top shelf action.
My favorite part of this scene is how the defenders eventually start brawling with the Klingons because they've shot so many that their phasers run out of juice. Dukat, Sisko, and Dax all fight with Bat'leths taken from fallen warriors, Kira, Odo, and O'Brien fight them off with martial arts moves, and Worf pulls out his more humble Mek'leth to stab warriors attacking him from behind.
I may be wrong but I swear when I watched this episode as a kid when it premiered on tv Galron & martoks discussion in Klingon had subtitles for what they said but I’ve never seen the subtitles since then on any streaming service that has this show
It's like Worf has said "New series, I'm done with getting my ass kicked by every jackass who boards the Enterprise!" 4:21 he's going head to head with one Klingon, then casually stabs another behind him without even looking!
When this aired on tv 94 95 ish I think? It was and is ground breaking the battle was great the DS9 crew tough group. Worf was chopping those klingons down
I cant remember their names (the 2 cardassians arguing while fighting) but that is one of the best battle comide scenes XD even after all these years. I got to rewatch all of ds nine now. fuck it i gonna rewatch all of star trek.
Epic scene. There's only one thing I can complain about. Firing torpedoes followed up with phasers doesn't make sence. You always weaken or disable shielding and hull plating with phasers before your fire torpedoes. Even a Pakled suffering from a severe cranial bleeding knows that.
@@tennesseewilliams101 There has to be several open palm punches too. That seems to be Starfleet's modus operandi for hand to hand combat in the 24th century.
That fucking Vorcha Class Cruiser on left at 2:20 got fucking skullfucked. So awesome. Booooom!!! The whole underside of the hull just yeeted into oblivion.
NOW WITNESS THE FIREPOWER OF THIS FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL BATTLESTATION!
Gowron: "Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
Martok '' we have to give them more time, they need to get that shield generator on Bajor down"
Fire at Will Commander.
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Wrong story
"Our shields are holding, your boarding parties are contained, and your crazy eyes cannot hope to defeat my goatee!"
lmao I needed that
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Thank you.
gotee😄😄😄😄good one.
Lol Gowron and his pop-out eyeballs
"And I'm surprised you're not blind now given how shiny my head is now."
"Fire at Will"
"Sir, we scanned, but Wesley's not on any of those ships."
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And nor William Riker.
"I said, "Fire at Will!" Don't make me repeat myself again."
the fact that they scanned
@@warriorsorb1111 Shut up Picard
Scotty said the best diplomat was a fully-activated phaser bank. Sisko proved 5000 photon torpedoes do a pretty good job too.
I remember that episode. With the insufferable Ambassador Fox, haha.
@@saberiandream316 Yeah I know right. I was like how does an Ambassador outrank a starship captain
Even, when half of the fired photons where fired into the nothingness of space ^^
02:20 Martok: "They fight like Klingons!" Gowron, "Then they can DIE like Klingons!"
This is quite cool that you know this...
''Understood''.
@@Spacegoat92 I find it quite disturbing.
Honestly it never went through my mind to try and translate that... So thank you for it.
@@Dabhach1 Not at all, it was a great complement and show of respect.
I remember how mind-blowing this was when it first aired. The old, decrepit station we first saw in the pilot transformed into a garrison that can swat half a dozen Klingon ships out of the sky like flies.
For me it's one of the best moments in Star Trek and right up there when Voyager used transphasic torpedoes to blow up the Borg cubes. That was so badass the first time around.
Good times
When I first saw this, I spit out my drink when he said "5000 photon torpedos".
Nevertheless the Klingon' s put up one hell of a fight.
@@josephperdomo1536 They did but they backed off at the end as Gowron knew that between the station's weapons and the weapons of the approaching Federation relief force he had no chance of victory and that to stay would not only see his fleet burned from the stars but start a war with the Federation that the Klingons couldn't win as they weren't strong enough to fight both the Federation and the Cardassians as Worf started to say to him and which Gowron finished 'destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory and ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat'.
Man, this episode was satisfying in many ways. I think this is the first time when the Federation has actually been properly *prepared* for battle -- at least in the main timeline. For so many years the Federation was almost always undergunned, undershielded, holding back, and getting shot half to pieces before returning fire. But here the Federation finally seems to get its shit together, and even the Klingons drop their jaws in terror. And those six approaching starships were probably coming in with the same attitude.
The Dominion really gave Starfleet a wakeup call, and it's great how the writers appeared to develop the story along those lines. I imagine that it's a lot like how WWI prepared the US for WWII.
Not the first time but the federation was beginning to wake up.
The Federation has come a long way from when James T. Kirk was a young man. In his era, the Federation was staunch fast in holding onto the idea that peace can be achieved no matter what, and that violence wasn't necessary. When the Federation made peace with the Klingons, a long time enemy, it made them believe that their way was the right way. But over the decades, as the Federation kept expanding, they began to encounter more and more hostile races. Hostile races that made it clear that, no matter how much the Federation preached about peaceful co-existence, that they didn't feel the same way. And didn't hesitate to make the threat they pose abundantly clear by attacking the Federation whenever they got the chance. The Romulans have always been an enemy to the Federation, but they never really pushed the boundaries farther than they needed to. But the Borg, the Dominion, the Cardassians, etc: each were a strong enough threat to make the Federation question their own beliefs.
It's almost like growing up: the Federation of Kirk's time was like a naive child; believing everyone could eventually come together to sing Kumbiya. But as it grew, it became more aware of the dangers surrounding it, and that to not use violence, even in self defense, could get everyone in the Federation killed or enslaved. And that sometimes you have to go on the offense in order to stop the enemy.
And so we've reached the point where the Federation has become 'an adult': would still prefer peace, but won't roll over like a lapdog and surrender.
@@ShaolinShadowStroke It was the Borg that really "Woke Up" Starfleet since obviously there was no diplomatic solution when it came to the Borg. The Dominion was the final test to see if Starfleet had learned from its mistakes yet still held onto its principles.
You always imagine what it was like for the starships preparing for battle being told DS9 was under heavy attack by a Kingon fleet and that they were going to war -nNo holding back but full on attack.
I like how the start of this scene parallels the Cardassian attack in the first episode. Kira fires their only 6 torpedoes and then bluffs saying they have hundreds more. Here Sisko actually has that many torpedoes yet Gowron doubts him.
The writers seemed to realize it too, with Martok's line about "thoron fields and duranium shadows" referencing Sisko's bluff in the pilot.
@@patrickcoyle5469
Kira's bluff. Sisko was in the wormhole talking to the Prophets while that was going down
I think they had only five torpedoes. But point taken. First time it was a bluff. This time it is not.
@@patrickcoyle5469Kira's bluff, actually
Gowron doesn't doubt him, he says 'we shall see [Today is a good day to die]' He has accepted Sisko's claim, and meets it.
I like the bit with the Bajoran Security officers ambushing a group of Klingons. Shows the fighting experience they've had.
I'm pretty sure most if not all Bajoran officers were part of the resistance during Cardassian Occupation.
Also shows lack of Klingons peripheral vision
@@macccu to be fair, apex predators typically have forward facing eyes to track prey better. Klingons by their evolution would have poor peripheral vision.
@@EmperorRahemHumans have forward facing eyes too, yet our peripheral vision is alright. Also it's hard to believe you become "apex predator" without being able to spot something like that not even hiding Bajorans. That's just poor screenplay but that's ok. It's just orcs in space.
That also apply to Randal Keith Orton or no,the ORIGINAL Apex Predator lol
3:24: "I SAID [*kick punch*] NO FIGHTING [*parry DROP PAWNCH*] ON THE PROMENADE!"
I read that in Odo's voice.
"You're like a toothless old Grishnar cat trying to frighten us with your roar."
DS9 proceeds to fuck up multiple Klingon ships.
Exactly why Sisko does it the way he does. He fires each weapon station individually to prove that they're not an illusion.
@@kadindarklordEspecially since in the pilot episode of the series they tricked the Cardassians into believing they had 5000 photon torpedos, by misleading their sensors with thoron fields and duranium shadows - exactly what (fake) Martok speculates here. Only this time, the weapons are real.
on the first volleys at that, tough station indeed
I love how casual Sisko and Kira's initial shots on the Klingon boarders were. Usually in Star Trek, the heroes stand there for a solid minute before reacting, and this was just like, "Enemies? Whatever. Eat phaser."
Also, points for the generic security staff. Sure we first see two get gunned down, but then we see two of them take out three Klingons. The whole battle shows great back and forth between each side.
Finally, Garak and Dukat bitching at eachother while fending off Klingons is priceless.
And then there is Doctor Bashir, roaming the station performing "Preventative Medicine"
Sisko and Kira were shooting like nothing
I agree, the Klingons underestimated the Federation here.
Garak and Dukat should have their own comedy show
Lets just be clear, those were Bajoran Security Officers. The Bajorans aren't Starfleet. They're a Militia. So Security is more their focus, compared to Starfleet Officers.
“Mr. Worf, prepare a high-yield photon torpedo and write on it ‘Don’t f with The Sisko.’”
The Sisko is belligerent
@@VDAM1984 The VDAM can kiss it where the sun doesn't shine...rac'ed POS...
SF Debris, lol.
@@VDAM1984 Aggressive.
I can imagine Curzon's memories kicking in "Never thought I'd be doing this again."
Me: you did this about two years earlier with your buddies Kang, Koloth, and Kor.
That's all Jadzia. Curzon's memories inspired her to study Klingon Martial arts, but the skills are all her.
@@iainwhite8617 I'm sure regularly sparring with Worf kept those skills sharp.
I was never impressed with how wimpy and underpowered the station was until this episode. Amazing what you can do when you actually supply your station with the right armaments.
Remember though DS9 is a trade hub not a battle station so you shouldn't expect it to have the armaments of say Earth space dock
Space stations in Star Trek were generally not well armored and could not handle attacks from enemy ships going back to the balance of terror episode in the original Star Trek. Because of the dominion threats Through the Wormhole deep space nine was forced to become battle ready.
Even the Dominion fleet was taken aback by how advanced and massive the station's defenses had become.
Its the same reason warships were always prefered to coastal fortifications: Funding. It was better to have mobile weapons platforms than immobile ones. More bang for your buck over an entire coastline/space empire. Space stations or floating gun platforms are the worst of both worlds though, they cant move, and they can sink, AND they can planned around since space stations stick out like a sore thumb. Better to hide a weapon on a planet when possible.
Season 4 was when it got REALLY interesting, even more so when it started the ball going with the introduction of the Defiant.
You forgot the singular best part of this entire episode.
*Worf:* "What are your orders, Captain?"
_(everybody looks nervously at the advancing Klingon fleet)_
*Motherf***ing Pimphand:* Battlestations.
when in doubt always order a frontal assult.
Ah yes, finally another jojo fan that also likes star trek
"Action stations."
Just imagine if Sisko would have been played by Samuel L Jackson. I can just imagine it now: "Enough is ENOUGH! I have HAD it with these Motherfucking Klingons attacking my Motherfucking Station!!" Hahaha
That moment when all those weapon stations pop out is so incredibly satisfying :D Sisko doesn't bluff but he will fuck you up. The guy is a true legend (with an epic goatee)
He'll bluff if he has to. This time he didn't have to.
Until the DVD'S came out I always thought Worf (of screen) had broken his bat'leth and just picked up one piece of it and kept going!
If you ever wondered why they always used torpedoes well, on the to show (according to the TNG commentaries form the Blu-ray set) each phaser beam cost the studio $10,000, convert that to today’s money and each phaser beam costs: $17,827.82 a pop
--(taken from the script)--
Martok:
They fight like Klingons!
Garown:
Let’s teach them how do die like Klingons.
Martok:
Understood, target their shield generators.
@@sirsneakybeaky we're talking about the early 90's here were and TV to boot hand drawn animation, colour correction, photography, lighting yeah $10k i mean that can be done in 10 seconds (not literly) these days but back then....
@@vasyear Plus the colors for each races phaser was different. Though its funny how SFX works. One SFX guy for Stargate SG1 said once at the start of the show it cost tons to do simple things like space battles. But after they made an in house program to do the main things their SFX costs went down tons. TNG had full models and reused them a lot. That's why the other star ships they met were all Excelsior class for the first year or so. They spent a lot to build and film the USS HOOD for the pilot. DS9 started as models and then transferred to all CGI by the end. You can tell its some models by the ship explosion at 2:20. It explodes into parts of how hollow models would explode. There was a SFX show that showed how they did the DS9 pilot. When the USS Saratoga gets blown up by the Borg the model is just stuffed with explosives and hug from the ceiling of the sound stage and blown up.
Klingon episodes are what happens when the showrunner FINALLY tells the actors "Ok, cut loose and have fun". Especially Gowron. I LOVE how Chancellor Gowron is played.
Robert O'Reilly can chew the scenery with the best of them.
The Deep Space Nine of Emissary was an abandoned husk that couldn't decently defend itself against 3 Cardassian ships. 3 years later, Benjamin Sisko transformed that station into not only a thriving community and open port, but a nearly impenetrable fortress.
When the wormhole was discovered it became a very important outpost so Starfleet invested more resources into it
@@zt1053imagine starfleet plombing down a spacedock type station.
This klingon attack would have died miserably.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 I'm guessing the only reasons they *didn't* put down a spacedock type starbase are 1: the bajorans technically own both DS9 and the wormhole, so they really have no claim to plop down a spacedock there, and 2: they figured they could retrofit DS9 into a proper battle station for the Bajorans to guard the wormhole, and that they did.
@@Timeward76 but instead the station was about to be overrun by the klingons had starfleet not arrived, instead the station was overrun by the dominion. So perhaps plombing down a spacedock and, yknow, giving it to bajor would have been great.
Remember during Emissary it was only recently that the Cardassians retreated from the Bajor systems. It's likely that the Cardassians stripped Terok Nor of most of its defensive armament during the retreat to deny the Bajorans and Starfleet. At the same time it would leave the station vulnerable if the Cardassians decide to reclaim their former conquest
Garak "I find this hand-to-hand combat quite distasteful"
Dukat "I suppose you prefer the simplicity of an interrogation chamber"
Garak "you have to admit, it's much more CIVILIZED"
My opinion some of the BEST lines from this episode.
And I can just imagine Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost appearing, seeing Garak's phaser, then saying: "SO UNCIVILIZED!" Hahaha
Garak: it's ironic, when the Klingons attacked the station, Gul Dukat and I were fighting side by side, I must admit...he made a very tempting target.
Odo: you'd shoot a man in the back?
Garak: well, it's the safest way, isn't it?
But then I thought, well, no, I can't handle all these Klingons by myself...so I let him live.
Odo: and now you regret it.
Garak: ah, my dear Constable, before this day is over, everyone on this station is going to regret it.
@@Redshirt434 DS9's writers were always excited when they got a Garak episode. They got the opportunity to write subjects and in a style they normally didn't.
The very moment when the DS9 TV show turned a corner, and was never the same again. When this first aired in 1995, I felt like I knew I was watching TV history.
I always tell people when they get into the show, the first three seasons are good but after season four it becomes great all the way to the finish
@@urdnotstark8270 Agreed. 4 and onward is when the show finally got it together.
Yeah. Things started getting pretty good once they leaned more into ripping off Babylon 5, huh? -- Kidding, kidding! Well, mostly. I watched and loved both shows, for what it's worth.
This was when it distinguished itself from other Star Trek series: it would then focus on war and how it can effect a society as a whole, even one as utopian as the federation. This is why DS9 is one of my top two favorite Star Trek series alongside the next generation.
Chills.
Every time.
Can I just say .. the crew was very comfortable with the fighting the klingons.. Work was probably thinking.. Finally the training is paying off.
this scene is why I love DS9. Worf is much more badass, and Sisko is not afraid to kick some Ass. The man takes on the entire Klingon fleet and kicks the asses of multiple Klingons in hand-to-hand combat.
Summed up pretty well in the first season, when Q comes aboard.
*Sisko punches Q*
Q: Picard wouldn't have hit me....
Sisko: I'm not Picard.
TNG did Worf dirty. DS9 was more compelling.
Sisko is a savage and he don’t play no shit. I forget what episode, but I remember he was going to commit genocide on a whole planet that his ex-comrade who betrayed Starfleet was hiding on if he didn’t give up someone, or something. Dude basically told him to fuck off. Sisko was like “oh really?!” Shoots a toxic gas. Dudes was shocked. Sisko says “Ready another torpedo.” I was like oh shit! He is gettin gangsta.”It was just sad. To see Sisko go down that route. His friend betray him twice. His crew witness Sisko as a person of a destruction and not their captain/friend.
Yeah DS9 didn't use Worf as the punching bag to show how dangerous the bad guy was.
You have to watch the TNG series first though, to understand how dope this scene is. It's an epic build-up. TNG takes place during peacetime in the galaxy. Gowron was Picard's good buddy
Considering the Bajorans were likely all veterans of the occupation fighting and Star Fleet actually, you know, trains people. The Klingons really underestimated them. And I bet its mainly because I can't picture the Klingons having a regular training schedule. You need to practice.
Tbh it’s pretty unsurprising that in the end, Sisko, Dax, and Worf are the last three standing. Of course Worf is a Klingon so he knows how to fight, Dax knows because of Curzon, and I’m sure Sisko picked up some stuff when Curzon was mentoring him.
He’s “The Sisko”. Literally a demi-god.
@@Xifihas And was the Captain of His Starfleet Academy Class Wrestling Team 21 years ago.
@@marcusjustice6165 And the Boxing team, iirc.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 And he plays baseball too.
Don't forget bout Garak,he can kick some ass also.
I think one of the things I liked most about the ground battle in this is that the no name Starfleet and Bajoran officers were actually giving as good as they were getting. So often in Star Trek the Starfleet grunts are no better than Stormtroopers.
Ironic that O'Brien, the one ex-soldier and former tactical officer, went down the hardest out of all the name cast.
Its funny how tough the DS9 crew really is when you think about it...Dax with life times of training, Worf being him, Kira being raised in war, Odo being a shape shifter and Sisko is just a badass.
Sisko is half-alien?
@@Ragitsu yeah but he's still a badass.
@@josephperdomo1536 Being totally honest given centuries of human-alien mixing probably a bit more than 50%.
Sisko saw action before against the Tzenkethi too.
If you decide to go with Star Trek Online canon, Tzenkethi are like four meter tall beefy dinosaur people. Suddenly him fighting his heart out here makes so much sense.
Compared to TNG where only Worf / Riker and Data of course were the only ones who could fight.
I just love the part where Dukat and Garak are still sniping and bitching at each other while surrounded by armed Klingons trying to kill them.
Kudos to Dukat for the hand to hand combat whereas Garak takes the more "civilised" route of a disruptor from range 😁
I loved this version of Dukat. More of a frenemy who had a great arc from season 3's Civil Defence until they decided to make him an out and out deranged villain with the Pah Wraiths plotline.
I like how the universal translator appreciates dramatic effect.
Those poor Klingons. The same four guys had to keep beaming into Ops only to be gunned down a second later.
They re-spawned in the enemy's base.
I cannot describe what a banger this was to see for the first time when it came out. Three full seasons of DS9 being relatively static and coming off the era of low-key TNG battles. Then in this episode, we have DS9 revealing these extending torpedo launchers with a 5000 round magazine and absolutely hosing the Klingons with fire. I'm pretty sure we saw more ships destroyed in this single episode than all of TNG combined. It's really the first large scale battle in Star Trek that we see on-screen outside of Wolf 359 in the DS9 pilot.
The CG space battles toward the end of the series might look more detailed and realistic, but that model Vor'cha at 2:20 getting blown up for real is one of my favorite effects ever.
The entire lower hull was just obliterated. So satifying to watch.
1500-1900 ppl on those type of ships
@@HacksignKT 450 ppl on the Vorcha. maybe 800 on the Nehhvar.
When the staff bought, built & blew up a few models so it wasn't just CGI...!
I suspect that was a Playmates Vor'cha toy. Vor'cha's command module (also the front disruptor emitter) could detach from the rest of the ship like an escape pod or saucer separation. I remember modifying my Playmates toy to do the same thing.
We all think we can beat up everyone like Work, Sisko, and Kira but let's be honest, we would all fall like O'Brien :)
O'Brien needs the rest. He knows the writers are gonna make him their chew toy from here on out. 😆
I have no illusions, if I was there I'd be dropped in the first two seconds.
This is like the only time you get to see a negh'var really opening up on something.
The Negh'var is like the Klingon's Yamato. Biggest best ship in the fleet, and too expensive and costly to risk in actual use. (at least at this point in the timeline)
That ship packs a ridiculous amount of punch! The entire Dominion-Cardassian fleet from Call to Arms pummeled the station and yet they could not defeat DS9’s force fields. From what I gather, it carries disruptors heavy enough to destroy or disable fortified bases and fixed defense platforms.
@@MROJPC It does. They're a special weapon you can get in STO from one of the Negh'var variants as well.
Love to see the hand to hand struggle in Ops and Worf casually cleaving with his way through half the Klingon army 😂
DS9 demonstrated Worf's badass status like TNG never did.
Worf: "trash... Trash...TRASH!"
"The imperial marines must've been lowering their recruitment standards!" (Shank)
I would’ve loved to have seen a wide shot of this battle. Another wave of Klingons could’ve decloaked and on their view screen it shows them watching a number of ships getting swatted down by DS9 as they fly in to assist their fleet knowing they’ll probably meet the same fate but unphased because this is what every Klingon lives and dies for lol. I could just imagine seeing hundreds if not thousands of phaser beams just ripping through the birds of prey followed by multiple volleys of photons torpedoes from a stationary space station. Then at the end when the federation task force arrives it shows a bit of the same but this time it’s the remnants of what was the Klingon occupation force. And the iconic “post battle moment of silence” so the audience could get it in their heads this isn’t the happy, fun, Naive, and oblivious “wanna be your friend” starfleet we used to know. Now it’s, “peace is the goal but if it’s war you want. Then it’s war you WILL get.” That would’ve been fucking amazing. The cost of that episode would’ve been fucking amazing to BUT damn would it have been cool.
Ahhh, TV budget constraints. They didn't have that fat HBO money to throw around on special effects.
Someone in the staff made a "life of a torpedo" from storage rack to launcher to the ship it whistled thru...
A cut down version in final cut is all we see.
The Klingon s near dukat and garak might as well just form a orderly line of bodies
Well say whatever you want, but when push comes to show, they know how to fight toghter
@@Merwan0121 true assuming they remember which direction to point that phaser
@@thomas.parnell7365 whatever do you mean???
@@Merwan0121 re watch the way of the warrior scene outside council chamber the dialogue is hilarious
Star Trek has always had 1 glaring weakness...
Lack of consistency. Klingons are born, raised, trained, and tried for combat.
Yet 90% of the time they loose in melee to non-Klingons.
😂😂😂
The star trek writers had a habit of wanting to show how strong someone was by having them beat klingons, the thing is it was done so much that it didnt make anyone seem strong anymore it just made the klingons look weak.
Worf a veteran warrior (champion in batleth)
Nera a veteran warrior fought cardassians for decades
Sisko veteran officer fought the borg
Dax centuries of combat exp
@@prismaticbeetle3194 Not really accurate. You're correct about Worf, but not so much the others. Kira did fight the Cardassians yes, but it's unlikely she spent much time fighting them in melee, considering she was a child much of that time. Sisko is a war vet (he actually fought in a war before DS9, not just the Borg) but it's not clear how much melee combat he saw. He did have some training as a boxer at least. And Dax did not have centuries of combat experience. Only her most recent host had being trained in klingon combat. None of her other hosts were fighters.
Plus you have to keep in mind that Klingons were not supposed to be better trained, but physically betters as well. They were much tougher that most species, having stronger bones and redundant organs, meaning they could last in a fight far longer than most.
Heh never more true than with Worf himself. He was always getting beat up. The only times you really saw him being the ultimate warrior he was supposed to be seemed to be when fighting other Klingons. They did fix this to some extent with the Jem Hadar, but even then non-klingons seemed to be able to take them on as well.
This was the episode back in the day, when I realized Deep Space Nine meant business as a series
This was one of the best battle scenes of DS9. I had VHS of those episodes...lol
Kyra gets stabbed in the lower side of her gut and still managed to kick some ass, and Worf stabs a Klingon that's about ready to kill him from behind. Two of the best parts from this scene.
Kira is as badass as Sadie Adler from Red Dead Redemption 2!
it's a bit ridiculous though how easily those Klingon warriors are defeated in hand to hand combat :D
Yup, shame they didn't have "story-relevant" plot-armor like that empty husk of a character in the new "Mortal Kombat" movie
If the main heros die then there is no show so the klingons were doomed from the beginning. I would chock it up to bad writing 9 out 10 when this happens in Star Trek as it often did.
Yep, and how they all beam in far from anyone with hand to hand weapons instead of disruptors out for some reason
To be fair, the Klingons are seldom the bad-asses that they think they are. They usually get pasted pretty badly. Probably partly because they like to use archaic weapons and fight for glory. Remember, the Bajorans, while a fairly spiritual and peaceful people on the whole, are just off of decades of Cardassian subjugation and resistance fighting. Presumably, most of the security staff are veterans of that fight. They don't fight to win, they fight to *kill* and they don't fuck around.
On the other hand, I'm wondering why Odo even dodges Bat'leth strikes. It's not like they'll hurt him. Realistically, he could have cleared the promenade in a few seconds a là Groot, too.
First wave of storming a fortress don't usually live long. They used to call it the Forlorn Hope, with good reason as it turned out :/
Jadzia, using a variation of the sweep worf used on her during their sparring session 👌
Love how bits of Dennis McCarthy's scoring here is similar to his scoring from Generations during the Enterprise-D/Bird of Prey battle.
The first and one of the best, great battle scenes of ds9 as the station and its crew go head to head with the klingons and give as good as they got and show the empire that the federation has teeth, when properly prepared for war.
I'm kinda suprised that O'Brien didn't design the weapon systems to target and fire at least partally on its own. A lot better firing sequences by timing each different system while another cooled/reloaded/recharged. Would've made Worf's job a lot easier.
It's probably because in a show like that, they don't WANT things to be too automated. They need stuff for the characters to "shine", and manual firing means they don't have to make excuses why their highly profiled weapons operator keeps switching to manual.
Remember "Legend of the Rangers"? They had this super-ridiculous firing control system, and the only reason I can think of for having that was because it looks a lot more fancy, and lets characters actually "do" something instead of just hitting buttons on a touchscreen that isn't even visible most of the time.
Or remember how a commanding officer on the Enterprise has to "encrypt" or otherwise lock down controls before invaders are starting to punch the buttons, instead of a having a 24th century computer just not accept anything from unauthorized persons... or even identify hostile intruders as such and take countermeasures. If it's not Data or some advanced misguided alien supercomputer, 24th century computers seem to be just the same as ours with slightly better voice recognition.
I believe that's also the reason why nobody ever seemed to think about having specific transporter-disruptor signals. I mean, transporting people is a lot more involved than just throwing a lot of energy at something and hope it damages that something, so it should be much easier to prevent transporters from working even if the combat shields are down. The Klingons would not have been able to board the station that easily, as trying to transport through any kind of transporter-scrambler/disturbance would just mean they'd execute themselves...
Earlier in the episode O'Brien mentioned that the weapon systems were just installed and never tested. Notice how many torpedoes go way off target. A year later against the Dominion each torpedo hits a target.
Possibly the best battle in ANY star trek episode
It really is. As a viewer, I can see and know exactly who the good guys and who the bad guys are. I loved that about Golden Age Star Trek!
The transition between space and "ground" battle is remarkable indeed.
I dunno; the episode-long battle Kirk had against the romulan commander in that Balance of Terror TOS episode was and is a pretty great battle of wits.
@@longWriter yes, that's the one
TOS Trek never had the budget for technology for fights like this.
Gentlemen, take your seats.
Here we have Deep Space 9.
She don't look normal,
she don't operate normal,
because she ain't normal.
This whole station is heavily armored with ablative armor, 6 inches thick.
Shield generators upgraded with enhanced Mercassium.
This station's armaments include 48 torpedo launchers with a stock of 5,000 medium yield photon torpedoes.
Its 48 rotary-mounted, 36 stationary and 3 slide-mounted Type 12 Phaser arrays mounted across all pylons, the docking and inner rings are capable
of firing over 300 particle beams per minute.
And that, gentlemen, is one hell of
a sh*t storm in anybody's language.
Now, let's take a look and watch the lady strut her stuff.
The red dummies are Klingon Warships,
white are Innocent civilian transports and cruisers .......
"Those blasts came from Deep Space Nine! That thing's operational!"
DS9 is equipped with very powerful phasers! They seem to have the same penetration as photon torpedoes.
I remember reading somewhere that those are the same ones Starfleet uses for planetary defense. Same with the torpedo launchers, they are designed to be able to destroy ships from ground level. So I imagine those with not atmosphere to go through are quite potent!
That or Klingon shields suck a 3 letter word for donkey.
Yeah, I am guessing with the power generation of a huge space station, DS9's phasers would outclass even a Galaxy class starship in power output. Combine that with dozens of phaser turrets striking from multiple angles. As well as shorter cycle times.
Station phaser are much more powerful than ship phasers. They dont have to use energy on propulsion like a ship does, so they can dump their huge powerplant into all weapons and shields
Even if individual phasers aren't more powerful than the heaviest starship ones, DS9 had a lot of them, and could target multiple beams on a single target.
Best battle in the whole series. 👍
Nope. Sacrifice of Angels.
all hail the Star Trek series that actually allowed factions to have real conflicts.
2:13
When a Klingon Battle Cruiser get's hit several times with (5!?) Photon Torpedos, goes "naah, it'll be fine", but explodes anyway... 😏
“Oh, nothing happened, maybe we can keep fi-“
Genuinely I love this episode. It doesn't make Star Trek a Star Wars show - it just shows that no matter how "good" you are - you are going to nee to defend yourself and those who can't.
Who said it did? One can like both franchises. I do. I'm one who can watch The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan. Sometimes I wonder which villian is worse: Palpatine or Khan. On the surface it's easy to say Palpatine for obvious reasons but one shouldn't count Khan out. The Federation was still very afraid of him long after his death. Even Palpatine couldn't command that kind of fear. As far as I know learning the Force in of itself for either side was never outlawed like Genetic Engineering like the Federation did. In fact, as I recall most iterations of the Republic and the various forms of Sith rule also frowned on Genetic Engineering
0:22 "I know what he said since we have a universal translator that was working just a moment ago."
Good battle... Sure missed the 90's Trek. Because, now Star Trek Discovery is nothing like the 90's.
Star Trek was in its golden age during the late 80s through the 90s Starting with the next generation and reached its peak with ds9 but flattened with voyager and crashed with enterprise but voyager and enterprise did not damage Star Trek as discovery and Picard did the writing on both discovery and Picard are worse then both the original series, the next generation, deep space nine, voyager and enterprise combined
@@jamesnealii8370 I agreed with you on this..
@@stevenhuynh1999 Well as a new fan born in the 90s, my perspective is I learned the most about writing from DS9 and TNG even with Voyager then I have from seeing modern star trek. I got into the universe because of the JJ Abrams movie and they have a special place in my heart. I sort of think that Trek embodies its most flawed yet strong focus in the 90s era.
DS9 is my favorite because it sort of has a strong focus on character arcs and even politics yet it feels Star Trek still.
Picard doesnt. I feel like TNG picard would start a speech about how bad it is.
Kurtsman Trek is NOT Star Trek.
Ever. Period. Not possible.
STD is a joke.
Fuck forgot what a badass Kira was. Barely even flinches when she's stabbed and then still beats the guy up.
They are lucky Data wasn't on board.
"8 Klingon Birds of Prey destroyed, several damaged."
"On our side, we did have that one guy just leap over the railing, so there's that."
NOW that is a action packed episode.
This station and Captain Sisco made the Klingon empire look like a joke.
5000 photon torpedoes.
I timed it and it looks like the firing rate for a launcher is approx 3 per second.
With 5000 a single torpedo launcher could fire constantly for almost 28 minutes.
But there's multiple photon launchers.
At least one launcher at the base of each pylon. Two more on each upper pylon tip, so that's 9 (They didn't show lower pylons)
It looks like at least one weapons array emerges out of the outer ring elevators. (the same elevators used for runabouts)
So there's at least ten photon launchers.
That means the station can fire 30 per second at a constant rate of fire.
They'd go through 5000 torpedoes in less than 3 minutes if all launchers fired at a constant rate.
Ten launchers can fire 30 per second
That's 1800 per minute.
= 5400 in 3 minutes.
When the Enterprise B engaged three Romulan ships to defend a Klingon outpost, it took far fewer torpedoes to open a tear in the fabric of spacetime. So DS9 better be careful firing that many photon torpedoes, because they might f*ck up the timeline or something.
Benjamin Sisko: "Right now, I've got 5000 photon torpedoes armed and ready to launch. If you don't believe me, feel free to scan the station.". Great television! Great science fiction! Television at its best! Sci-fi at its best! The very best episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and all Star Trek TV series combined together! The greatest space battle ever! There will be none to match it. That was a very big milestone in this sci-fi TV series. Star Trek Deep Space Nine took a new direction and wasn't the same since then. Excellent special effects. Also the best hand-to-hand fight in history. It will be very hard to match. Star Trek at its best! Great Star Trek, period! That is all! "Today is a good day to die!".
2:49 but when the engineer has his Ambush Sentries deployed
General Martok said in Klingon translation: time to unleash all that big green crap, fire all big green crap!!!!😂
Sisko: "You did NOT just fire that green S* at me!"
Poor Riker. Everybody's always firing at him.
Wow! I grew up with TNG but never really got into DS9. This makes me want to watch it. Great seeing it turn from a Fleet battle to a vicious hand-to-hand melee with Klingon boarding parties and heavy casualties. The choreography was a bit wooden at times but for TV Star Trek this was top shelf action.
Worf fought like he was literally whacking sugar cane with a bolo machete, excellent!
Sisko: I punched a literal god and he never returned. What makes you think I won't punch you!
TNG Worf - Beaten by doors and aliens daily
DS9 Worf - "Upgrades"
My favorite part of this scene is how the defenders eventually start brawling with the Klingons because they've shot so many that their phasers run out of juice. Dukat, Sisko, and Dax all fight with Bat'leths taken from fallen warriors, Kira, Odo, and O'Brien fight them off with martial arts moves, and Worf pulls out his more humble Mek'leth to stab warriors attacking him from behind.
You don't use a gun hand-to-hand. The Klingons closed to where they could use their bat'leths, the defenders had to respond in kind.
Nobody:
*The hegemony wandering into my high tech star fortress controlled by an alpha core in starsector:*
That was nice that Sisko wielded the Bat'leth but O'Brien and Kira... yikes!!!!
I may be wrong but I swear when I watched this episode as a kid when it premiered on tv Galron & martoks discussion in Klingon had subtitles for what they said but I’ve never seen the subtitles since then on any streaming service that has this show
It's like Worf has said "New series, I'm done with getting my ass kicked by every jackass who boards the Enterprise!" 4:21 he's going head to head with one Klingon, then casually stabs another behind him without even looking!
When this aired on tv 94 95 ish I think? It was and is ground breaking the battle was great the DS9 crew tough group. Worf was chopping those klingons down
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD CHALLENGE GARAK, for Pete's sake?!
I thought Klingons were stronger than humans...
As well as wounded female Bajorans weighing 105 lbs.
@@azores15 Soaking wet.
The most awesome scene Star Trek ever produced. #2 is the destruction of the Enterprise D.
love the banter between Dukat and Garak about hand to hand vs interrogation room
Worf looked like he was having a great time.
I cant remember their names (the 2 cardassians arguing while fighting) but that is one of the best battle comide scenes XD even after all these years.
I got to rewatch all of ds nine now. fuck it i gonna rewatch all of star trek.
Garak (shooting) and Dukat (melee)
At 3:22, that guy took a huge fall on top of getting hit. Damn!
Any advice, Mr. Worf?
Prayer Captain Sisko, Klingons dont take prisoners.......
Worf just showing off now at 4:23 😂
god DAMN the Cardassians know how to build a battle station
Epic scene. There's only one thing I can complain about. Firing torpedoes followed up with phasers doesn't make sence.
You always weaken or disable shielding and hull plating with phasers before your fire torpedoes. Even a Pakled suffering from a severe cranial bleeding knows that.
For such a great warrior have you ever noticed how many times Worf has had his kicked.
Sisko just fired more photons in 3 minutes than the enterprise-D fired in 5 years
When Trek was Trek
Omg I just love and hate Star Trek fight choreography....it’s so bad it’s like good
Star Trek HAS NO fight choreographer.
It isn’t Star Trek if it doesn’t have that double fist punch maneuver that automatically knocks everyone out
@@tennesseewilliams101 There has to be several open palm punches too. That seems to be Starfleet's modus operandi for hand to hand combat in the 24th century.
@@BrotherDerrick3X Star trek enterprise, had fight choreography, when the Maco came aboard
Ds9 sure was a powerful station when facing combat
You gotta appreciate Dax wielding the bat'leth with almost more mastery than a lot of the Klingons themselves!
Her previous host was close friends with three Klingon da'har masters, and she regularly sparred with Worf.
First episode of deep space nine my brother showed me I was 6.
That fucking Vorcha Class Cruiser on left at 2:20 got fucking skullfucked. So awesome. Booooom!!! The whole underside of the hull just yeeted into oblivion.
"Eat it!"
Gowron: You're bluffing
Sisko: Destroys several Klingon ships.
3:40 Despite both Klingons being behind him and very much a threat, Garak STILL doesn't even try to help Dukat out.
Why send boarding parties when you can just beam the crew away.
Or before boarding party beam in something like shock grenade.
Because Klingons
Klingons board DS9
Worf: I go for intusastic walk !