Honestly I feel like the fact that 2 of the five games mentioned were made by valve (plus garry's mod which was based off the source engine) really says something about valve's game quality
@Founder- i mean i was more referring to how it really says how valve games are of enough quality to not only survive for years on end but to also have such massive and active communities
While mostly fueled by an old but very loyal playerbase and its incredibly competitive esports scene, Dota 2(game I play religiously)and CS:GO/CounterStrike2 are also one of the most enduring games of all time both having been around for more than a decade if you add up their previous game which were both just a mod(Dota from WC3 and CounterStrike from Half Life). I don't think I'll ever stop playing Dota until they shut down its servers and I'd like to think a lot of loyal players that stick through thick and thin with their respective Valve game think so as well.
What makes a game live a long time (as seen in these games): Memorable art/visual style, like TF2 Community-made content, like L4D or Garry's Mod Modding support (see above) Replayability, whether through multiplayer or through good story, like L4D Availability, being extremely cheap or free-to-play High skill ceilings but low(er) skill floors, like L4D or TF2 etc
One thing to note about Team Fortress 2 as well, is that the summer update from a few weeks ago, actually gave the game a new concurrent player record of 250k. It's quite absurd to think of that being reached in a 16 year old game.
@@mdaniyal9349what are you talking about? We always get a holiday update. It has never involved new weapons nor has it been stated this holiday will be different
You've done a great job with this video! Glad to see BO3 getting some recognition too 😄 Valve made L4D2 free during the 2013 Christmas sales and a decade later it's STILL in the main rotation in my friends group 😅
Thank you very much for the support. I've been heavily playing BO3 the work the developers have put into creating their maps is insane and so cool to see. Man i do wish i set my steam account up in 2013 id snagged L4D2 instantly though i paid £1.28 so i cant really complain
I admit I am a Valve fan but it cant be helped when they make a game its usually very good and has a lot of replability. Theres still a ton of games id like to share that I really enjoy as well.
Dude. The algorithm is so unfair. You deserve so many more views then this, the editing is way better than I could ever do, the thumbnail needs a tiny bit more work. Video looks absolutely great. You honestly deserve more subscribers.
Thank you I appreciate the kind words and for thumbnails wise I can agree on that I do what I think would look cool like with this I thought the die part why not use the L4D2 hand gripping the tf2 logo infamous for thriving while not getting any love at all from the devs. I'll for sure do more research and tinker till I have a format I'm fine with.
Personally, I picked L4D2 last year for $1 and it’s the most profitable dollar ive ever invested. I think what helps this game live on is its split screen capabilities which honestly add tons of fun
I haven't even started the video yet, but I really admire how clean the editing is on this one... It's a breathe of fresh air from all of the Fast-phase editing that is the craze nowadays. I respect your dedication in clarity of information and how you deliver it. Thank you for the content.
There's a super obscure music bullet hell called soundodger, it started as a flash game and got a deluxe steam version with new bullets, an editor, and more levels/songs. It only got a solid playerbase of around like 80 people, but despite every possible odd, the developer managed to keep this tiny community from shrinking for nearly eight years, as the community became very intertwined with the base game (much like several popular music games with editors), and then the developer made a sequel and the community's been slowly growing ever since.
I think its safe to say that another reason why valve games are immortal is because of how ingrained they are in internet culture from memes to fan videos and mods ect. 2000s and 2010s youtube were dominated with gmod and sfm videos of their characters
@@Founder-gmod always makes me amused Its an all purpose game i'd say that I love playing gmod with friends The reason why i play gmod is kitty, Boschitt and other creators all thanks to them im motivated to do some "animating" it was fun, Sure gmod has some limitation and flaws but it was the best sandbox game i have ever played back then (R.I.P Kitty❤)
Thank you a ton for mentioning BO3! It's rare to see someone speaking about the fact, that it has mod tools outside of the rather small modding community. Sincerely, a mapper.
I never knew it was so popular. At the time it came out I was still a console boy & played a ton of modded WaW zombies with my cousin on our crappy pcs. When WaW zombies modding eventually broke, it was sad we had nothing to replace it with. I haven't played cod zombies in ages, but knowing BO3 has mod support has me itching to give it a go again.
Also for AoE 2 a factor definitely is the absurd amount of content the game offers. Like you could probably spend 100s of hours just playing through the offical campaigns.
I’m a huge aoe3 fan. Been playing since 2007, from the original vanilla to the steam version. And the steam version offers so much more content than I could’ve ever imagined.
What makes left 4 dead so good to always come back to is also because the game pretty much forces teamwork in a way and because it progressively loads zombies based off of how well you’re doing makes it really rare to ever have the same game twice
I'm so impressed that Civilization 5 still gets a good player count despite Civilization 6 being out for years. Even their other XCOM titles are a fraction as popular as Civ 5.
Valve fans and longevity go along very well, even Half life and CSGO get resurgences now and again. Heck if you go deeper into their older games. There is still a bustling community of modders and servers.
OpenTTD is also kinda an insane one, the game was made in 1998 and is still receiving updates! Servers are always active and the community is very friendly!
@@Founder-openttd is very fun when playing with some friends, but gets stale after a few weeks if u play solo of course that's assuming you play vanilla, the amount of mods and the quality they have is insane
HL2 is another long living game. Originally coming out back in 2004, the game is based off an absolutely amazing premise, and even goes as far to have present day modding support, creating extremely high quality mods which themselves could be games, like the Entropy: Zero series or Swelter. Recently there has even been a resurgence in said modding, and HL2 RP servers are still alive in gmod as a result.
I honestly still can’t believe how good half life 2 looks after all these years. seeing other 2004 games like San Andreas and comparing them to half life 2 makes it look like a modern game, it’s crazy.
@@gamerismrobloxian567gamer5 there is absolutely nothing as amazing as Sfm all communities use it I don't but I saw alot of legendary animations with one of the first for me who's cooking tonight, Team fabulous and all of Eltoro64rus animations all in Sfm and probably gmod being a big challenge to Sfm animation all incredible
Left 4 dead will always have a special place in my heart. because of modding left 4 dead i learn how to use different 3d softwares like blender,3dsmax and z brush. Also improved my skills using photo editing softwares like photoshop and now I'm a graphic designer and a freelance 3d artist. It all happened just because i wanna create my own mods for l4d way back in 2010.
Amazing video, these topics always remind me of games like NASCAR Racing 2003 and RBR, both from now dead developers (aside from NR2003 which they have reunited to form iRacing) and publishers. One major factor I've seen that determines whether or not a game gets to live further than it's expiration date is definitely community support via modding, these games, while not huge outside of sim racing, have a healthy modding scene and still run online tournaments. It's so great seeing these games continuing to live even after any official support has dropped completely
For sure i never played much racing games other than burnout paradise but thats just the main factors in a game: the community, modding and love for the game
I do believe that the advantage of the first two games is that both of them are kinda arcade, great to play them for a round or two and then go back to what u have to do, with no pay-to-win or pay-to-customize, no griding for absolutely anything, u open the game, get in action, have fun and leave.
Skyrim. Considering the fact that it’s a single player game compared to every game on this list it’s a huge accomplishment having tens of thousands of concurrent players playing every day for almost 13 years now
Super smash bros melee deserves a mention- still draws 60k twitch viewers for tournaments despite needing decades old hardware to play and with the developer actively trying to kill the scene
Very true if you played on console the maps costed money or that might have been l4d. Either way it was a great idea to have both in 1 so its like a 1 stop shop
the reason valve games survived is because you had server tools to set up dedicated community servers. same goes for age of empires in a way. its binaries were free to propagate with ease + eventually community project voobly online lobby management. that COD version idk. i assume community servers too.
Black ops 3 is also hacked to hell right now. So playing it is risky until you find clients to prevent you from being booted offline, leaked ip address, hackers joining your games, or randomly crashing your game. Wish it was bo2 with the mod support, that game will forever be legendary.
My older game that wouldn’t die was counter strike 1.6. All my friends until halo 3 were spread across different consoles and pc, but all of us had access to play counter strike 1. It could run on almost any pc. We didn’t even really play it hardcore, at the time I actually didn’t love the game. I played it cuz my friends were there but I preferred halo. we mostly used it as a voice chat app because we were too young to have phones (this is during the flip phone era), and just played custom games, mods, or joined someone else’s fun mod game. One that lives rent free in my head is someone turned the Mario kart 64 track “mushroom kingdom” into a cs map, and that was just insane to me. Another was the super Mario 64 peaches castle. It just blew my mind. Once halo 3 dropped, we all moved there, but I do have a certain fondness for the half decade my friends and I spent in cs1.6. I have a very vivid memory of one summer. A group of us were in a cs lobby, not even looking at our pcs, all watching adult swim from our own houses and apartments, mainly family guy during its peak, and just howling laughing, all watching the same thing from different places :).
The Valve games were a given, to never die. Maybe we might see less in the next 5 years, but who knows what'll happen between then and now. I'm glad you mentioned AoE2; while it doesn't get as much recognition nowadays, it's always been the go-to RTS game for me.
My jaw dropped seeing this only had 300 views, greatly put together! I've seen the sentiment that the might be been problematic and I have to agree to some extent, It just doesn't stand out on dark mode but it's an awesome concept otherwise. It's important to take into account when the thumbnail is just as important as the video itself. Overall this seems to be reaching fairly wide into the algorithm, with a spiffy updated thumbnail I'm sure this video will do wonderfully. You've got this my friend! Keep it up! You're on the brink of something big.
I'll be honest i thought the simple idea of using game art for it would look cool eg l4d2 hand and tf2 logo. I would actually update but im off on holiday this week. Thank you for enjoying the video.
Not Steam related but vaguely PC related, another game that refuses to die is Super Smash Bros. Melee, with LAN tournaments that break records and with the Slippi Mod/Emulator, letting a new generation able to experience competitive Smash Bros. Melee through wifi and modern displays with ease. All of this is no developer support, just its awesome community loving a 20+ year old game.
As someone who’s much more on the competitive game/esports side of things, so weird for me to see a video like this and not have any of CS, Starcraft Brood Wars, Smash Bros Melee mentioned. But cool video for sure, nice to see games can continue to have huge audiences even without any active competitive events going on
I think the reason why tf2 is still being loved and doesn’t die is because of the player interactions like you don’t see any other shooter game where you can make a conga line and where you can kill yourself in just 1 single button
The two main reasons are because the game is very good fun and has great mechanics and with the amount of classes it adds alot of different play styles to the game , the other reason is because they keep bringing out new content and people love to collect the swag so the game is still making plenty of Dosh $
honestly i feel like Modern Warfare 2019 should make that list, considering that Mw2019 was the first cod to have its maps removed because a new cod wasn't doing so well. Even black ops 3 didnt have a single bit of content removed. MW2019 still averages about 1 million players everyday despite filled with hackers. Even after so much removed from the game it is still going to last for the next 3 years atleast.
been playing l4d2 since 09, with the amount of endless content on their it feel's like the greatest infected horde game out there. It doesn't die cause it has so much replay value, every game is different even if you play the same campaign.
I just found this video by a random recommendation by youtube which hopefully means the algorithm has picked up your outstanding content i literally just watched the first 5 minutes if the video and im in love with you editing style please keep up the good work and good luck with the algorithm
I feel like something you forgot to mention with l4d2 was the multiplayer, but especially the modes that have players as both humans and zombies. I remember those modes being very popular when I played l4d2 more regularly
Another game I'd love to see that I have NEVER seen go below at least 1 million players, Minecraft, a gaming CLASSIC, it's been going for 12 years, close to TF2, so I'd say it's in the "Can't die" conversation. Also, love the vid
Thank you very much and yeah I got a lot of requests for Minecraft which I'll bundle into another video with hopefully other similar games as people gave me a ton of good suggestions to get through.
Other great example is sonic robo blast 2: a sonic fangame that’s a mod of doom with a large modding community that makes massive mods that makes the game something new (like stuff like srb2 kart and srb2 persona)
I never get tired of Team Fortress 2, or Left 4 Dead. The fact I can change the weapons, like the Desert Eagle into the 1911, or give Bill a Vietnam War model on L4D2(Seriously, why so much anime girls?), and community servers on TF2 where you can play on servers like LazyPurple's silly server for fun and casual stuff, or on Uncle Dane's server for a more competitive game and tweaks that Casual won't do. And the Steam Workshop is so easy, no navigating through folders or having to update new mods from redownloading the same mod for a newer version, Garry's Mod is truly a testament on why Valve's Source Engine is still so much fun.
Yo, if you make a part 2, definitely include Metal Gear Rising. You can pick up a steam key for about five dollars and for that price, the badass action scenes are definitely worth it. It was overshadowed when it released in 2013 but over the years it just kept coming back and never seemed to die.
Metal gear i havent heard that in a while i will for sure pick up a key for it so far been loving metro exodus its really good. Might actually have to plan a part 2 to this it seems
@@Founder- ah good. Metal Gear Rising in specific I recommend using a controller, my first playthrough was mouse and keyboard and it was a bit hard to struggle with the camera. Otherwise, be prepared for an amazing soundtrack and hack-n-slash action. Happy slicing!
Actually, Metal Gear Rising was extremely popular when it came out as well. It completely whooped DmC: Devil May Cry ass that year and that Nanomachine, Son meme was all over the internet that year.
GTA SA, IV and V can be considered games with a great community especially San Andreas which there are people creating mods, uploading videos and even directing machinimas but despite Rockstar actions against the modding community, the games are still popular just because is GTA. Other games with big communities (but cannot calculate how big they are) are: Doom 1 & 2, Quake 1, 2 & 3, ArmA 1 & 2 (IDK about 3), rFactor 1, Assetto Corsa (despite being a relative new game with the modding support it will have a very long lifespan), GP Legends, OpenTTD, RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, Command and Conquer, the Need For Speed from the Black Box era, Fallout New Vegas, ETS 2 & ATS, Caesar 3 & Pharaoh
"[Valve] may not call themselves a game studio" man I can feel myself turning into dust with that comment! I guess for a lot of people they've pretty much always basically just been Steam. Great video man
Valve deserves all their praise for their impact and more, especially in our current time when new games and media in general are SO HEAVILY lacking in charm and soul. It is actually mind boggling how garbage most new triple A games and media in general are compared to older classics. I guess because making money is the main focus now, sadly
Oh 100% though they did being out some shady practises like lootboxes n such but what they have done in terms of games is create something special that people latch on for many years to come. I do find it really annoying the state of triple A releasing new games in a early access state rather than fixing it to a point of release. I can understand indie devs doing this but triple A is something else.
Specifically for Garry's Mod it is its ability to emulate every other game in existence in novel ways. I've played everything on it from CTF to full blown multiplayer RTS.
Every TF2 fan knows that TF2 is a donate trash, but still loves it because no expensive and cool weapons could actually be useful if you anger a TF2 fan
These games stand the test of time because they are so well made and usually have community integration. Left 4 dead 2 is still a blast to this day. The amount of effort Valve puts into their games alone is astonishing. Left 4 dead seems like a simple game but it's really not there are so many systems that makes it great. It's also a double edged sword though because with sequels they have so much to live up to so they stopped bothering with making games all together. It's kind of sad the greed the industry has these days because if black ops 2 was supported like the way valve supports their games it would be alive to this day but instead they do yearly releases. A lot of good games could of stayed alive longer if developers just supported them or gave the community the ability to do it.
I think one main aspect that explains why some games refuse to die is because they are unique. No other game does the same style and has a highest amount of possibilities and things as them, it’s like they have the monopoly of their style and copying those games would just end up being bad because they won’t reach this level of style and people would just come back to the original game. Also the style stays the same over time, it’s not changed, which makes it just memorable
Totally agree with that as I can list a few games that quite frankly I have bought physicals of just for the sake of display that had a memorable art style and was just really fun to play with one game being called Cel Damage Overdrive. I would love to see a game like it again as it was a great party game.
Garry's Mod ain't dying any soon, the Skibidi Toilet series made kids watch youtubers play gmod with skibidi toilet NPCs, that eventually made some of those kids with a PC get their copy of GMOD on their steam account, making that the amount of players rise and stay at least whole the series last, if the game doesn't start to get played by big streamers tho
*Great Fact: Prop Hunt was created From Team Fortress 2. And Zombie Survival Also Was Created From Counter-Strike Series: 1.6 & Source! ( Poor CZ :'-'(
LittleBIGPlanet is another game which is still very active. And a great example of a game that refuses to die. (12.13 million players, and around 25,000 concurrent players) Even to this day, there are many people who are active in the community, It features a unique art style, a great storymode, It has community content, custom levels, music, costumes, multiplayer, and the game frequently goes on sale making it extremely easy to buy and get into! Thanks to PS5's backward compatibility it only increases its reach/ease of access, to those who didn't own a PS4-- (Such as myself.) People with modded systems have also imported many assets.which years previously was not possible until now! In general, if a game is fun, has community content, a great memorable art style, replayability, mod support, ETC! That's when you've practically cracked the code at making a great game
I still played L4D2 to this day. I bought it full price at the time, at Rp. 70.000 IDR back in 2019 and I remember spending countless of hours playing it and met me Steam mate back in the day. Nowadays, they aren't around. 😢
nice to see Geometry Dash in the intro, but it is understood why it's not an actual entry in the video due to it possibly getting an update within the next 70 hours.
A fairly obvious example of a game that refuses to die is Minecraft. Even with the lacklustere updates, general state of the game and corporate overreach (e.g. the Chat Moderation drama), the game stays popular. It has a strong modding and multiplayer community and a strangely uncommon gameplay, the only other game which truely matches/exceeds it (Vintage Story, my personal favourite) being very obscure.
I never was big into PVZ other than the simple mobile game but the multiplayer one did look quite fun to play and made sense why it was beloved by fans
another thing that helps with these games is that you could basically run them on a toaster. like for many years we didn't have a gaming pc at home, but even a work pc could run the games on potato settings. this makes them super accessible especially in growing markets where people have lower income. it being easily pirated and being able to play it online means that its a great gateway game to get people to start buying games legitimately on steam because theyre so cheap and they dont want the hassle of updating the pirated copy every other month.
Even on xbox where there is no modding support and no new content (They didn't get the Last Stand update), the game is still very much alive. Theres simply just nothing else like it
Honestly I feel like the fact that 2 of the five games mentioned were made by valve (plus garry's mod which was based off the source engine) really says something about valve's game quality
It does it says im a Valve fan 💀 but it also says that they do make games that last same with gmod
@Founder- i mean i was more referring to how it really says how valve games are of enough quality to not only survive for years on end but to also have such massive and active communities
*Classic Better Than New One!*
While mostly fueled by an old but very loyal playerbase and its incredibly competitive esports scene, Dota 2(game I play religiously)and CS:GO/CounterStrike2 are also one of the most enduring games of all time both having been around for more than a decade if you add up their previous game which were both just a mod(Dota from WC3 and CounterStrike from Half Life). I don't think I'll ever stop playing Dota until they shut down its servers and I'd like to think a lot of loyal players that stick through thick and thin with their respective Valve game think so as well.
I hope they continue to use that innovative mindset to create new unseen mechanics that made their past games popular
What makes a game live a long time (as seen in these games):
Memorable art/visual style, like TF2
Community-made content, like L4D or Garry's Mod
Modding support (see above)
Replayability, whether through multiplayer or through good story, like L4D
Availability, being extremely cheap or free-to-play
High skill ceilings but low(er) skill floors, like L4D or TF2
etc
Pretty much summed it up lol how to make a good game follow this how to guide.
And good balance, I’ve seen great games die due to OP features and strategies (Warzone for example)
valve game
Geometry dash. I have no idea how you guys missed that but it's very much still alive.
Lol that´s almost exactly why Heroes of Might and Magic 3 is still played today
Left 4 Dead 2 and Team Fortress 2 are immortal classics
They really are ngl
So is Gmod and CSGo
Valve games really are ingrained in Internet culture aren't they
@@ImmaLittlePip CS 1.6 as well. Released in 2000, but still has thousands of players.
It's always stays in 2
too bad you can’t play it on xbox unless u have the disc copy 😢 its not available in the microsoft store anymore
One thing to note about Team Fortress 2 as well, is that the summer update from a few weeks ago, actually gave the game a new concurrent player record of 250k. It's quite absurd to think of that being reached in a 16 year old game.
Very true as well when i saw that made me shred a tear seeing it boom up now i just hope for an actual actual update with guns
@@Founder-I think that will happen around late 2023 during the holiday season cause thats what the tf2 website says
@@mdaniyal9349what are you talking about? We always get a holiday update. It has never involved new weapons nor has it been stated this holiday will be different
@@Founder- Maybe now Valve will realize what potential they've been missing out on with TF2. It needs attention, this game is important. ❤
@@scribble_mhyeah, like what, 5 years ago? 😂😂😂
Three key factors to a game's longetivity are:
1. Gameplay
2. Modding support
3. Pricetags
ArmA is another prime example of a die-hard series
If all developers strive for that, the amount of passive income and quality games that come out might go up
You've done a great job with this video! Glad to see BO3 getting some recognition too 😄
Valve made L4D2 free during the 2013 Christmas sales and a decade later it's STILL in the main rotation in my friends group 😅
Thank you very much for the support. I've been heavily playing BO3 the work the developers have put into creating their maps is insane and so cool to see. Man i do wish i set my steam account up in 2013 id snagged L4D2 instantly though i paid £1.28 so i cant really complain
qzeq are you ever gonna make a left 4 dead video
hi
To think I paid money for it on a physical disk.
Christmas 2013 is when I got jt lmao
Nice video bro, I like how 2 out of 5 are Valve games and Garry's Mod is a source engine game
I admit I am a Valve fan but it cant be helped when they make a game its usually very good and has a lot of replability. Theres still a ton of games id like to share that I really enjoy as well.
@@Founder-i guess we ain't talking about Cold Stream XD
GMod is still technically a Valve game as well lmao, since they didn’t develop it but they did publish it
Stop hating on @Founder-
@@maybefaith23 lol doesnt work like that
Star Wars: Empire at War is a great example. It released in 2005 and still has a very strong player base thanks to mods.
Ill for sure have to look into it thank you
Dude. The algorithm is so unfair.
You deserve so many more views then this, the editing is way better than I could ever do, the thumbnail needs a tiny bit more work. Video looks absolutely great. You honestly deserve more subscribers.
Thank you I appreciate the kind words and for thumbnails wise I can agree on that I do what I think would look cool like with this I thought the die part why not use the L4D2 hand gripping the tf2 logo infamous for thriving while not getting any love at all from the devs. I'll for sure do more research and tinker till I have a format I'm fine with.
Sounds good, should see you being you as quite famous
Hopefully or maybe not I don't know just have to wait and see what's in store.
"games That refuse to die"
Meanwhile those games RN: but it refused your now filled with determination *undertale theme starts playing*
his sub will blow soon. i just got led by algorithm
Personally, I picked L4D2 last year for $1 and it’s the most profitable dollar ive ever invested. I think what helps this game live on is its split screen capabilities which honestly add tons of fun
I haven't even started the video yet, but I really admire how clean the editing is on this one... It's a breathe of fresh air from all of the Fast-phase editing that is the craze nowadays. I respect your dedication in clarity of information and how you deliver it. Thank you for the content.
Thank you very much and you're very welcome im trying to cut down dead space and trying to provide as much as i can
There's a super obscure music bullet hell called soundodger, it started as a flash game and got a deluxe steam version with new bullets, an editor, and more levels/songs. It only got a solid playerbase of around like 80 people, but despite every possible odd, the developer managed to keep this tiny community from shrinking for nearly eight years, as the community became very intertwined with the base game (much like several popular music games with editors), and then the developer made a sequel and the community's been slowly growing ever since.
I actually think ive heard of soundodger ill have a look into that thank you very much
I think its safe to say that another reason why valve games are immortal is because of how ingrained they are in internet culture from memes to fan videos and mods ect.
2000s and 2010s youtube were dominated with gmod and sfm videos of their characters
time to go back and paly all of these again :)
I was having a lot of fun playing Garry's Mod again. I haven't played it in years but I really liked playing darkrp again I forgot how fun it is.
@@Founder-gmod always makes me amused
Its an all purpose game i'd say that
I love playing gmod with friends
The reason why i play gmod is kitty, Boschitt and other creators all thanks to them im motivated to do some "animating" it was fun,
Sure gmod has some limitation and flaws but it was the best sandbox game i have ever played back then
(R.I.P Kitty❤)
“Way to go paly”-Scout
Rip kitty team fabulous 2 will always be remembered
@@Founder-what about kitty0879 if im not wrong that was the name
Thank you a ton for mentioning BO3! It's rare to see someone speaking about the fact, that it has mod tools outside of the rather small modding community. Sincerely, a mapper.
BO3 is basically the new WaW. I just hope COD eventually releases a follow up because BO3 is already getting a little old... just like how WaW was.
I never knew it was so popular. At the time it came out I was still a console boy & played a ton of modded WaW zombies with my cousin on our crappy pcs. When WaW zombies modding eventually broke, it was sad we had nothing to replace it with.
I haven't played cod zombies in ages, but knowing BO3 has mod support has me itching to give it a go again.
Valve: Why won't you die?!
TF2: Beneath this mask is more than flesh. Beneath this mask are ideas. And ideas are bulletproof!
Tf2 can get shot down but itl just keep getting back up
Also for AoE 2 a factor definitely is the absurd amount of content the game offers. Like you could probably spend 100s of hours just playing through the offical campaigns.
I’m a huge aoe3 fan. Been playing since 2007, from the original vanilla to the steam version. And the steam version offers so much more content than I could’ve ever imagined.
AoE2 >> AoE3
What makes left 4 dead so good to always come back to is also because the game pretty much forces teamwork in a way and because it progressively loads zombies based off of how well you’re doing makes it really rare to ever have the same game twice
I'm so impressed that Civilization 5 still gets a good player count despite Civilization 6 being out for years. Even their other XCOM titles are a fraction as popular as Civ 5.
"We're not dying! We are going to live forever!"
―Soldier from Team Fortress 2
Wise words from the soldier from tf2
@@Founder- Amen.
Death: you will go with me.
Tf2: i refuse.
Death: nani?!
Tf2 will never die
@@Founder- based.
@@Founder-true
Valve fans and longevity go along very well, even Half life and CSGO get resurgences now and again. Heck if you go deeper into their older games. There is still a bustling community of modders and servers.
Very true there is still love for gta SA
OpenTTD is also kinda an insane one, the game was made in 1998 and is still receiving updates! Servers are always active and the community is very friendly!
OpenTTD i think i actually know that game if its free to play and based around transportation ill for sure have to look into it
@@Founder- indeed it is free and to do with transport! Great vid btw!
@@Founder-openttd is very fun when playing with some friends, but gets stale after a few weeks if u play solo
of course that's assuming you play vanilla, the amount of mods and the quality they have is insane
HL2 is another long living game. Originally coming out back in 2004, the game is based off an absolutely amazing premise, and even goes as far to have present day modding support, creating extremely high quality mods which themselves could be games, like the Entropy: Zero series or Swelter. Recently there has even been a resurgence in said modding, and HL2 RP servers are still alive in gmod as a result.
Good suggestion ill have to really check out hl2 modding scene as it seems to be really good
I honestly still can’t believe how good half life 2 looks after all these years. seeing other 2004 games like San Andreas and comparing them to half life 2 makes it look like a modern game, it’s crazy.
Also a mod that is a game on its own is black mesa aka remake of the first game
@@tonivoul1971 Oh yes, one amazing game alr. Also who can forget the SFM's lol
@@gamerismrobloxian567gamer5 there is absolutely nothing as amazing as Sfm all communities use it I don't but I saw alot of legendary animations with one of the first for me who's cooking tonight,
Team fabulous and all of Eltoro64rus animations all in Sfm and probably gmod being a big challenge to Sfm animation all incredible
Left 4 dead will always have a special place in my heart. because of modding left 4 dead i learn how to use different 3d softwares like blender,3dsmax and z brush. Also improved my skills using photo editing softwares like photoshop and now I'm a graphic designer and a freelance 3d artist. It all happened just because i wanna create my own mods for l4d way back in 2010.
Amazing video, these topics always remind me of games like NASCAR Racing 2003 and RBR, both from now dead developers (aside from NR2003 which they have reunited to form iRacing) and publishers.
One major factor I've seen that determines whether or not a game gets to live further than it's expiration date is definitely community support via modding, these games, while not huge outside of sim racing, have a healthy modding scene and still run online tournaments. It's so great seeing these games continuing to live even after any official support has dropped completely
For sure i never played much racing games other than burnout paradise but thats just the main factors in a game: the community, modding and love for the game
I do believe that the advantage of the first two games is that both of them are kinda arcade, great to play them for a round or two and then go back to what u have to do, with no pay-to-win or pay-to-customize, no griding for absolutely anything, u open the game, get in action, have fun and leave.
Skyrim. Considering the fact that it’s a single player game compared to every game on this list it’s a huge accomplishment having tens of thousands of concurrent players playing every day for almost 13 years now
Super smash bros melee deserves a mention- still draws 60k twitch viewers for tournaments despite needing decades old hardware to play and with the developer actively trying to kill the scene
thank you I was looking for this
The classic doom community is massive and still growing and evolving. Definitely check it out
Will do thank you I plan on overlooking DOOM in a singleplayer video and seeing how its still going strong.
TF2 finally getting a update that is not Halloween is the freshest bit of air the community has even breathed
Fr that new oxygen hitting at least we got a seal
in L4D2 also add that it comes with all the campaigns from L4D1, so it allows even more replayability in a single title
Very true if you played on console the maps costed money or that might have been l4d. Either way it was a great idea to have both in 1 so its like a 1 stop shop
the reason valve games survived is because you had server tools to set up dedicated community servers.
same goes for age of empires in a way. its binaries were free to propagate with ease + eventually community project voobly online lobby management.
that COD version idk. i assume community servers too.
Black ops 3 is also hacked to hell right now. So playing it is risky until you find clients to prevent you from being booted offline, leaked ip address, hackers joining your games, or randomly crashing your game. Wish it was bo2 with the mod support, that game will forever be legendary.
Valve is such a cool company, no wonder their games still have active communities after so many years
Pretty much lol tho they did bring out questionable practises like the battle pass n loot boxes but they do make good shit
My older game that wouldn’t die was counter strike 1.6. All my friends until halo 3 were spread across different consoles and pc, but all of us had access to play counter strike 1. It could run on almost any pc.
We didn’t even really play it hardcore, at the time I actually didn’t love the game. I played it cuz my friends were there but I preferred halo. we mostly used it as a voice chat app because we were too young to have phones (this is during the flip phone era), and just played custom games, mods, or joined someone else’s fun mod game.
One that lives rent free in my head is someone turned the Mario kart 64 track “mushroom kingdom” into a cs map, and that was just insane to me. Another was the super Mario 64 peaches castle. It just blew my mind.
Once halo 3 dropped, we all moved there, but I do have a certain fondness for the half decade my friends and I spent in cs1.6.
I have a very vivid memory of one summer. A group of us were in a cs lobby, not even looking at our pcs, all watching adult swim from our own houses and apartments, mainly family guy during its peak, and just howling laughing, all watching the same thing from different places :).
The Valve games were a given, to never die. Maybe we might see less in the next 5 years, but who knows what'll happen between then and now. I'm glad you mentioned AoE2; while it doesn't get as much recognition nowadays, it's always been the go-to RTS game for me.
Pretty much just goes strong. AOE 2 is my favourite rts game out of all in the series other than AOEM which is really fun as well
I love that BO3 isn’t completely dead but I would really like to play some multiplayer matches once in awhile.
My jaw dropped seeing this only had 300 views, greatly put together! I've seen the sentiment that the might be been problematic and I have to agree to some extent, It just doesn't stand out on dark mode but it's an awesome concept otherwise. It's important to take into account when the thumbnail is just as important as the video itself. Overall this seems to be reaching fairly wide into the algorithm, with a spiffy updated thumbnail I'm sure this video will do wonderfully. You've got this my friend! Keep it up! You're on the brink of something big.
I'll be honest i thought the simple idea of using game art for it would look cool eg l4d2 hand and tf2 logo. I would actually update but im off on holiday this week. Thank you for enjoying the video.
@@Founder- It certainly does look cool, I'd recommend changing the background color and I'm sure it'll do wonders. Cheers lad, enjoy your holiday!
Ill give it a redux when im back and thank you.
Haha I could not have been more wrong!
Not Steam related but vaguely PC related, another game that refuses to die is Super Smash Bros. Melee, with LAN tournaments that break records and with the Slippi Mod/Emulator, letting a new generation able to experience competitive Smash Bros. Melee through wifi and modern displays with ease.
All of this is no developer support, just its awesome community loving a 20+ year old game.
Some games are just timeless and never stop being fun to play. I fired up the original L4D the other day, and its still an absolute joy!
Bet it will be l4d was a really good game l4d2 took that good game n made it even better
Omg the left 4 dead thumbnail is so perfect because its literally a Left hand that only has 4 fingers and it's a zombies hand so technically its dead
As someone who’s much more on the competitive game/esports side of things, so weird for me to see a video like this and not have any of CS, Starcraft Brood Wars, Smash Bros Melee mentioned. But cool video for sure, nice to see games can continue to have huge audiences even without any active competitive events going on
The thing is, those games you mentioned, all of them are dar away to die. Microsoft put all the servers down around 2006 and the game JUST DONT DIE.
Rest in the peace Toybox.... :-'(
The fact tf2 still looks great to this day speaks volumes for how good its art style is.
Heroes of might and magic 3 released in 1999 still pretty popular in eastern europe and has active large community
I think the reason why tf2 is still being loved and doesn’t die is because of the player interactions like you don’t see any other shooter game where you can make a conga line and where you can kill yourself in just 1 single button
and how you can steal the intel with 3-6 players using the box emote with the spy and the enemy will call it the french invasion of 2fort
The two main reasons are because the game is very good fun and has great mechanics and with the amount of classes it adds alot of different play styles to the game , the other reason is because they keep bringing out new content and people love to collect the swag so the game is still making plenty of Dosh $
honestly i feel like Modern Warfare 2019 should make that list, considering that Mw2019 was the first cod to have its maps removed because a new cod wasn't doing so well. Even black ops 3 didnt have a single bit of content removed. MW2019 still averages about 1 million players everyday despite filled with hackers. Even after so much removed from the game it is still going to last for the next 3 years atleast.
been playing l4d2 since 09, with the amount of endless content on their it feel's like the greatest infected horde game out there. It doesn't die cause it has so much replay value, every game is different even if you play the same campaign.
Left 4 dead will forever live rent free in my memories.
I just found this video by a random recommendation by youtube which hopefully means the algorithm has picked up your outstanding content i literally just watched the first 5 minutes if the video and im in love with you editing style please keep up the good work and good luck with the algorithm
Thank you very much for the support. I just went to sleep n woke up with a ton of comments on my phone wondering what I missed lol.
"A thing of beauty [...] Will never fade away"
- P.T. Adamczyk, working for songs for Samurai in Cyberpunk 2077
Cyberpunk 2077 has a really good soundtrack as well
I feel like something you forgot to mention with l4d2 was the multiplayer, but especially the modes that have players as both humans and zombies. I remember those modes being very popular when I played l4d2 more regularly
Oh yeah i know what you mean i have played that gamemode on my 360 ages ago
So ironic that Left 4 Dead as a game was never Left for Dead.
It's insane how many mods there for it.
Another game I'd love to see that I have NEVER seen go below at least 1 million players, Minecraft, a gaming CLASSIC, it's been going for 12 years, close to TF2, so I'd say it's in the "Can't die" conversation.
Also, love the vid
Thank you very much and yeah I got a lot of requests for Minecraft which I'll bundle into another video with hopefully other similar games as people gave me a ton of good suggestions to get through.
4:03 that HUD is insane lol
Other great example is sonic robo blast 2: a sonic fangame that’s a mod of doom with a large modding community that makes massive mods that makes the game something new (like stuff like srb2 kart and srb2 persona)
Very interesting ill have to look into that for sure
I never get tired of Team Fortress 2, or Left 4 Dead. The fact I can change the weapons, like the Desert Eagle into the 1911, or give Bill a Vietnam War model on L4D2(Seriously, why so much anime girls?), and community servers on TF2 where you can play on servers like LazyPurple's silly server for fun and casual stuff, or on Uncle Dane's server for a more competitive game and tweaks that Casual won't do. And the Steam Workshop is so easy, no navigating through folders or having to update new mods from redownloading the same mod for a newer version, Garry's Mod is truly a testament on why Valve's Source Engine is still so much fun.
Yo, if you make a part 2, definitely include Metal Gear Rising. You can pick up a steam key for about five dollars and for that price, the badass action scenes are definitely worth it. It was overshadowed when it released in 2013 but over the years it just kept coming back and never seemed to die.
Metal gear i havent heard that in a while i will for sure pick up a key for it so far been loving metro exodus its really good. Might actually have to plan a part 2 to this it seems
@@Founder- ah good. Metal Gear Rising in specific I recommend using a controller, my first playthrough was mouse and keyboard and it was a bit hard to struggle with the camera.
Otherwise, be prepared for an amazing soundtrack and hack-n-slash action. Happy slicing!
Ill have to try it on my steamdeck thank you very much
@@Founder-I played through it my first time on my Steam Deck, it was great
Actually, Metal Gear Rising was extremely popular when it came out as well. It completely whooped DmC: Devil May Cry ass that year and that Nanomachine, Son meme was all over the internet that year.
GTA SA, IV and V can be considered games with a great community especially San Andreas which there are people creating mods, uploading videos and even directing machinimas but despite Rockstar actions against the modding community, the games are still popular just because is GTA.
Other games with big communities (but cannot calculate how big they are) are: Doom 1 & 2, Quake 1, 2 & 3, ArmA 1 & 2 (IDK about 3), rFactor 1, Assetto Corsa (despite being a relative new game with the modding support it will have a very long lifespan), GP Legends, OpenTTD, RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, Command and Conquer, the Need For Speed from the Black Box era, Fallout New Vegas, ETS 2 & ATS, Caesar 3 & Pharaoh
RUclips recommandations brought me here. and im happy for that! your channel is so underrated you deserve more recognition!❤
Thank you very much for the support.
There are no dead games.
As long as someone finds joy in the game of choice, they live on forever.
good games never die
"[Valve] may not call themselves a game studio" man I can feel myself turning into dust with that comment! I guess for a lot of people they've pretty much always basically just been Steam. Great video man
this is so well edited! this is the quality of a channel with 100X the subs you have right now, if im being honest.
Thank you very much i appreciate it a lot
TF2 knew that it wasn't going anywhere since Expiration Date "Good news! We're not dying! We are going to live forever!"
Spy: "This is a bucket" Soldier: "nooo" Spy: "theres more" Soldier: "dear god"
@@Founder-reversed =)
‘’Good news we are not dying, we are going to live forever’’
-TF2 soldier
Rip rick may may he be missed stay blessed
@@Founder- exactly my man🕊️🕊️
Bf4 deserves to be on this list. Still going strong after 10 years with thousands of daily players across all platforms
Agree ucav tbag all day long 👍😁
Counter-Strike 1.6 and Source: Are we a joke to you?
Damn no bhop n surf are too strong on cs 1.6
Death: It’s time to go.
Tf2: no. *hits death with a random crit rocket*
Valve deserves all their praise for their impact and more, especially in our current time when new games and media in general are SO HEAVILY lacking in charm and soul. It is actually mind boggling how garbage most new triple A games and media in general are compared to older classics. I guess because making money is the main focus now, sadly
Oh 100% though they did being out some shady practises like lootboxes n such but what they have done in terms of games is create something special that people latch on for many years to come. I do find it really annoying the state of triple A releasing new games in a early access state rather than fixing it to a point of release. I can understand indie devs doing this but triple A is something else.
Specifically for Garry's Mod it is its ability to emulate every other game in existence in novel ways. I've played everything on it from CTF to full blown multiplayer RTS.
back when games were actual games and none of this monetisation crap
True games with monetisation can still be good eg tf2 but with nothing to egregious. If it effects the gameplay then thats even worse in my eyes.
Every TF2 fan knows that TF2 is a donate trash, but still loves it because no expensive and cool weapons could actually be useful if you anger a TF2 fan
"I REFUSE TO DIE" - -Gray crow from death's door- TF2
These games stand the test of time because they are so well made and usually have community integration. Left 4 dead 2 is still a blast to this day. The amount of effort Valve puts into their games alone is astonishing. Left 4 dead seems like a simple game but it's really not there are so many systems that makes it great. It's also a double edged sword though because with sequels they have so much to live up to so they stopped bothering with making games all together. It's kind of sad the greed the industry has these days because if black ops 2 was supported like the way valve supports their games it would be alive to this day but instead they do yearly releases. A lot of good games could of stayed alive longer if developers just supported them or gave the community the ability to do it.
I think one main aspect that explains why some games refuse to die is because they are unique. No other game does the same style and has a highest amount of possibilities and things as them, it’s like they have the monopoly of their style and copying those games would just end up being bad because they won’t reach this level of style and people would just come back to the original game. Also the style stays the same over time, it’s not changed, which makes it just memorable
Totally agree with that as I can list a few games that quite frankly I have bought physicals of just for the sake of display that had a memorable art style and was just really fun to play with one game being called Cel Damage Overdrive. I would love to see a game like it again as it was a great party game.
Garry's Mod ain't dying any soon, the Skibidi Toilet series made kids watch youtubers play gmod with skibidi toilet NPCs, that eventually made some of those kids with a PC get their copy of GMOD on their steam account, making that the amount of players rise and stay at least whole the series last, if the game doesn't start to get played by big streamers tho
True as much as im not into skibidi toilet it brought so much more interest into gmod because of it which is a really good thing
*Great Fact: Prop Hunt was created From Team Fortress 2. And Zombie Survival Also Was Created From Counter-Strike Series: 1.6 & Source! ( Poor CZ :'-'(
I didn’t even realize you were a small creator til I started reading the comments. Love the video you earned my sub
Thank you very much and thank you for the support.
LittleBIGPlanet is another game which is still very active. And a great example of a game that refuses to die. (12.13 million players, and around 25,000 concurrent players)
Even to this day, there are many people who are active in the community, It features a unique art style, a great storymode,
It has community content, custom levels, music, costumes, multiplayer, and the game frequently goes on sale making it extremely easy to buy and get into!
Thanks to PS5's backward compatibility it only increases its reach/ease of access, to those who didn't own a PS4-- (Such as myself.)
People with modded systems have also imported many assets.which years previously was not possible until now!
In general, if a game is fun, has community content, a great memorable art style, replayability, mod support, ETC! That's when you've practically cracked the code at making a great game
"Good news. We're not dying. We are going to live forever!"
Famous tf2 quote
@@Founder- that was, in fact, my intention.
It's a very Team Fortress 2 moment that in the 10 seconds of gameplay you showed us we see a cheater using dash at 4:16 lmfao
When you realize VALVe truly makes banger games.
They really do
I still play cs:s
valve is really good at making games that dont age and are really really good
Team Fortress 2 when it breaks it’s player numbers to really 250,000 after 16 years just from one update (with a seal) in six years.
All thanks to that funny seal
Where’s smash bros melee??
I still played L4D2 to this day. I bought it full price at the time, at Rp. 70.000 IDR back in 2019 and I remember spending countless of hours playing it and met me Steam mate back in the day. Nowadays, they aren't around. 😢
An other game(s) you should have included is Classic Doom. After 30 years it still gets new mappacks and mods very consistently.
For sure ive noted doom down if i do another video myhouse.wad brought a lot of light into it
@@Founder- Just please don't bring only on that mod in your video,it barely rappresent what the community mainly focuses on.
Probably worth mentioning Worms Armageddon since it's still got extremely active community and the game is like 25 years old
You forgot to say CS:GO
Fair enough I thought not to say CS:GO as there is going to be CS:2 which is currently a major thing.
nice to see Geometry Dash in the intro, but it is understood why it's not an actual entry in the video due to it possibly getting an update within the next 70 hours.
Activision really went out of their way to make one good decision for once and never again
As per usual but at least it was one really good change though
after bo3 the games became shit except for mw2019 and cw , mw2019 was great and cw was decent , not bad
A fairly obvious example of a game that refuses to die is Minecraft.
Even with the lacklustere updates, general state of the game and corporate overreach (e.g. the Chat Moderation drama), the game stays popular.
It has a strong modding and multiplayer community and a strangely uncommon gameplay, the only other game which truely matches/exceeds it (Vintage Story, my personal favourite) being very obscure.
l4d2 and black ops 3 zombies are gold
Honestly for zombie games they are still my favourite is BO1 but BO3 does look good
There’s also the original Plants Vs. Zombies, which, funnily enough, involves fighting those who have already died.
I never was big into PVZ other than the simple mobile game but the multiplayer one did look quite fun to play and made sense why it was beloved by fans
another thing that helps with these games is that you could basically run them on a toaster. like for many years we didn't have a gaming pc at home, but even a work pc could run the games on potato settings. this makes them super accessible especially in growing markets where people have lower income.
it being easily pirated and being able to play it online means that its a great gateway game to get people to start buying games legitimately on steam because theyre so cheap and they dont want the hassle of updating the pirated copy every other month.
I was ready to rage comment about "WHY NO AGE OF EMPIRES 2" before clicking the video.
Now I'm a satisfied little doggo
Meanwhile, Half-life 2: Deathmatch sits in the corner menacingly.
Super Smash Bros Melee that game has even survived the game publisher trying to kill it multiple times.
Even on xbox where there is no modding support and no new content (They didn't get the Last Stand update), the game is still very much alive.
Theres simply just nothing else like it