two marginally important things: 1. sorry i sound so messed up in this video, im coming off of a gnarly cold and my throat was hurting bad. 2. porygon-z might sound like a stretch to call surprising, but in the context of ou it works imo. it really hadn't ever been better than e rank in DPP and is arguably worse than porygon 2 from gens 4-6. this really was unexpected.
That level diff is the ONLY factor though, which really shows that the darn thing needs a buff. Not an evolution, just a straight up buff, its unnecessarily pathetic
Random battles giving me specs/life orb/AV Sunflora along with a sunny day setter or a trick room reuniclus, feels like buying illegal nukes from a shady nuke vendor.
You said unless its like cascoon but mega cascoon in the rom hack elite redux is by far the hardest pokemon battle of any game (mainline, rom hacks, spin-offs, competitive) by a mile.
The orthworm slide of it being on the stage is hilarious coz it looks like the presenter is keenly aware of the worm and is afraid it’ll be eaten if they don’t appease it
I think Z-Conversion is super cool cause you can change Porygon-Z’s type to Ghost, Ice, Electric, etc. for Adaptability boosted Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, etc. I love it so much!
Sunflora swept my entire team in ranbats a few weeks ago. The shame made me stop playing for the day. I didn't even get to see any of their other team members.
A sun setter and any non-sun setting Sunflora set in randbats is a 100% win condition. Also shoutout to Delibird that manages to still be one of the worst mons despite also being set to level 100.
Its weird to me that Sunflora is one of the few Grass Pokemon that had access to Earth Power. Like you would think with every water pokemon having access to ice beam and other ice moves, giving Grass mons access to Earth Power etc.
Another thing to note is that with a solar beam coming off of a sun + solar power boost, Sunflora can hit insanely hard Doesnt really justify using it, but still.
I came across this channel randomly on my recommended and forreal love the format you make these in. They're always a good watch, I hope you continue to do them, and enjoy it!
speaking of mons that become broken in randbats, Gogoat is the absolute bane of my existence its insanely bulky and runs bulk up milk drink, it can run away with games quickly its stats are insanely high, it managed to tank a LO STAB Fire Blast from Blaziken without teraing if it teras it's even more frustrating to kill lol
Just gotta say that you're hands down my favorite pokemon content creator currently. You're a wealth of knowledge in multiple different formats, your videos have absolutely 0 fluff in them, packed with lil jokes in every slide, keep up the good work
Is there a reason Porygon-Z doesn't Convert into Ice or Electric after using its Z-Move? That's how I used to run it back in the Battle Tree, I'd use Z-Conversion then turn to a Ghost type to get STAB Shadow Ball
oh wait you're right. it would convert, which is why it doesn't run stab. the set is still worse than z-hyper beam but yeah the mechanic works that way.
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend yeah, understandable, first time I used it was pretty much purely because of Z-Conversion and I had it at the top of the move list, then one day I realised "Oh shit what does Conversion even do", which I looked up, found out, said "I should probably change the move order" then promptly forgot about it for months
i remember back when gen 5 was current some dude came up with a pretty cool sunflora ou team. sun trick room, it has solar power with hp ice + earth power is pretty cool and encore is cute. it is probably the best mon to support with the combo of sun + trick room, and not being worried about heatran on sun is... actually pretty cool. obviously this is still not very good - sun has been fringe in OU almost the entire time, trick room is pretty fringe in almost all singles metas, and putting the two together is just way too demanding, especially when the payoff is just a sunflora. that being said, still pretty heat, and i like that u can run it with like a victini too with sun boosted vcreates that only make you "faster" in trick room lol.
Please Gamefreak I am begging you to buff Sunflora just a little bit. Just add +10 to its SpA and let it learn Heat Wave and Nasty Plot. It would still be bad but not abysmal
As someone who’s competitive experience is exclusively within random formats (i peaked around 430 in randbats, 40 in randbats blitz, and 200 in randbats monotype this gen) god i fucking love sunflora. turning a shitty stupid flower into a nuclear bomb is what makes this format so good. just the threat of sunflora is scary enough, if you can switch it in it’s either forcing a switch out or killing something 90% or the time
i used sunflora in battle tree doubles as an answer to mons like slowking and slowbro. With trick room + sun she can hit insanely hard and fast and covers torkoal/hariyamas weaknesses nicely. Sadly no weather ball that gen :
you forgot to mention something about Sunflora which makes it even scarier: Sunny Day + Chrollophyll + Tera Fire. now you have a mon with top speed and two stabs of 100+ bp, namely Weather Ball and Solar Beem
I love running orthworm with leftovers, subtitute, iron defense, body press and tera electric. If you can get it set up it does insane damage and doesnt have any weakness because of earth eater
speaking of randbats, i played doubles randbats a while back one of the mons that i never wanna see again is LUVDISC, it's level 100 and so it has a very fast charm, and becomes surprisingly bulky with that level difference too
Shout out to my Porygon-Z in my last playthrough of Platinum. Somehow, the madlad managed to freeze Cynthia's Garchomp, giving me the chance I needed to beat her. I couldn't have done it without you my favorite glitchy space duck!
Sunny Day + Chlorophyll Sunflora as a Late Game Cleaner is my favorite set to use in Random Battles. It cleans so easily, it almost reverse swept my opponent when I was about to lose 5-0.
I wish Lurantis was a competitive pokemon surprise 🥲 It’s actually funny enough, a strong parallel to Sunflora in a lot of ways (even sunkern and fomantis are rly similar), but I don’t think it’s good in randbats LOL 😭 Jokes aside, love these videos so much. The amount of fun you clearly have making them shines through rly hard. You could be 4 years down the line scraping through the history of Oddish in gen 5 little cup and I’ll still be invested 💯
two marginally important things:
1. sorry i sound so messed up in this video, im coming off of a gnarly cold and my throat was hurting bad.
2. porygon-z might sound like a stretch to call surprising, but in the context of ou it works imo. it really hadn't ever been better than e rank in DPP and is arguably worse than porygon 2 from gens 4-6. this really was unexpected.
As a DPP OU player, one day download choice scarf Porygon-Z will become meta, I swear it.
Porygon2 was better in gen 4? As in, pre-eviolite? Or was that a mistake
YESS THE SUNFLORA THAT CAN ONE SHOT LANDOROUS IN RANDOM BATTLES
Landorous watching his HP slowly dwindle to zero in a single turn all because of a fucking PVZ knockoff:
W Sunflora
That level diff is the ONLY factor though, which really shows that the darn thing needs a buff.
Not an evolution, just a straight up buff, its unnecessarily pathetic
@@Bird-wz7nxI mean an evolution would be nice too
@@mic_rula_old_schoolabro got the garden warfare experience
Unown is not useless it helped me learn how to read!
That one kid in Solaceon Town:
reading the title and seeing sunflora gave me unbelievable whiplash
Random battles giving me specs/life orb/AV Sunflora along with a sunny day setter or a trick room reuniclus, feels like buying illegal nukes from a shady nuke vendor.
You said unless its like cascoon but mega cascoon in the rom hack elite redux is by far the hardest pokemon battle of any game (mainline, rom hacks, spin-offs, competitive) by a mile.
i really hope furfrou can go on this one day
:)
Shout to to Sunflora having a pretty good movepool on a pure grass type, earth power is such a nice addition
All grass types should be able to learn Earth Power imo, like how water types learn Ice Beam, and fire types learn Solar Beam.
@@saltator8565 I 100% agree, so many grass types are stuck with only normal and grass type moves and it sucks
It's really fitting that Z moves were good with Pory-Z
Sunflora having me shook in random battles was something I never expected until I saw it nearly OHKO my Regice in a battle with a friend
The orthworm slide of it being on the stage is hilarious coz it looks like the presenter is keenly aware of the worm and is afraid it’ll be eaten if they don’t appease it
The worm gods are content… for now
TBH I think ZA needs to give Porygon-Z a special mega and call it Porygon-Ω 'cuz future, final iteration of the program, "hey remember ORAS", etc.
What would go so hard omg
as long as it doesn't start proclaiming it's the messiah we're good
Eldritch Code
@@Iris_Descent
WARE WA MESSIAH NARI
HAHAHAHA
Surprised you didn’t mention Sunflora’s solar power boosted solar beam, it does 5 billion damage if you can get it on the field with sun
I think Z-Conversion is super cool cause you can change Porygon-Z’s type to Ghost, Ice, Electric, etc. for Adaptability boosted Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, etc. I love it so much!
a cheep shot at cascoon
yeah LOL i needed an example of a mon that hasn't ever had success and it was the best one i could think of.
I know this channel isn't about rom hacks but he clearly doesn't know the absurdity of primal cascoon from emerald redux
@@lucasclupny6305*she
Sunflora swept my entire team in ranbats a few weeks ago. The shame made me stop playing for the day. I didn't even get to see any of their other team members.
That mightve been me
Thanks for showing randbats some love! I peaked rank 2 in gen 9 and sunflora has definitely helped me win some games.
A sun setter and any non-sun setting Sunflora set in randbats is a 100% win condition.
Also shoutout to Delibird that manages to still be one of the worst mons despite also being set to level 100.
Delibird moment
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend my favourite quote about Delibird is "even if Delibird gets an evolution, it still won't even be good in Little Cup".
Its weird to me that Sunflora is one of the few Grass Pokemon that had access to Earth Power. Like you would think with every water pokemon having access to ice beam and other ice moves, giving Grass mons access to Earth Power etc.
It still boggles my mind how Meganium STILL doesn't have Earth Power
Poor Furrys...
not in this video LMAO next one probs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Another thing to note is that with a solar beam coming off of a sun + solar power boost, Sunflora can hit insanely hard
Doesnt really justify using it, but still.
>She/her pronouns
I see we've changed since the days of A PowerPoint about Amoongus
Glad somebody else saw that! I was confused on whether or not it was a silent pronoun drop or a reference to something I didn’t get
0 views? Let’s change that
Randbats sunflora is so much fun
I'm glad you are finally talking about it
omg en
ORTHWORM??? FROM HIT COMPETITIVE TIER ZU???
I came across this channel randomly on my recommended and forreal love the format you make these in. They're always a good watch, I hope you continue to do them, and enjoy it!
♀ (im balancing out the other commenter)
It's always nice to see gen 2 Pokémon doing well competitively.
I've never looked at your username fully and am only now realizing you use she pronouns. Thanks to Murcrow 😅
That you well hatted bird. ❤❤❤
speaking of mons that become broken in randbats, Gogoat is the absolute bane of my existence
its insanely bulky and runs bulk up milk drink, it can run away with games quickly
its stats are insanely high, it managed to tank a LO STAB Fire Blast from Blaziken without teraing
if it teras it's even more frustrating to kill lol
Funny how it raised so many eyebrows when Geeta used one, this guy has absurd potential
Any mon can be good? Try luvdisk
I am writing this from 2025, Cascoon has just been banned from ubers, send help
I can't believe you aren't aware of the glory that is Primal Cascoon
OH MY GOD I LOVE PRIMAL CASCOON! What is wrong with me, fake MegaFidough fan
The random Cascoon slander at the end is so undeserved, I love it 😂
Just gotta say that you're hands down my favorite pokemon content creator currently. You're a wealth of knowledge in multiple different formats, your videos have absolutely 0 fluff in them, packed with lil jokes in every slide, keep up the good work
Is there a reason Porygon-Z doesn't Convert into Ice or Electric after using its Z-Move? That's how I used to run it back in the Battle Tree, I'd use Z-Conversion then turn to a Ghost type to get STAB Shadow Ball
oh wait you're right. it would convert, which is why it doesn't run stab. the set is still worse than z-hyper beam but yeah the mechanic works that way.
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend yeah, understandable, first time I used it was pretty much purely because of Z-Conversion and I had it at the top of the move list, then one day I realised "Oh shit what does Conversion even do", which I looked up, found out, said "I should probably change the move order" then promptly forgot about it for months
Cheese
i remember back when gen 5 was current some dude came up with a pretty cool sunflora ou team. sun trick room, it has solar power with hp ice + earth power is pretty cool and encore is cute. it is probably the best mon to support with the combo of sun + trick room, and not being worried about heatran on sun is... actually pretty cool. obviously this is still not very good - sun has been fringe in OU almost the entire time, trick room is pretty fringe in almost all singles metas, and putting the two together is just way too demanding, especially when the payoff is just a sunflora. that being said, still pretty heat, and i like that u can run it with like a victini too with sun boosted vcreates that only make you "faster" in trick room lol.
As someone who almost exclusively plays randbats, seeing Sunflora mentioned made me smile.
Please Gamefreak I am begging you to buff Sunflora just a little bit. Just add +10 to its SpA and let it learn Heat Wave and Nasty Plot. It would still be bad but not abysmal
Honestly, I tried quash murkrow, but whenever I faced chien pao and Chi Yu it was just useless, unless they terad, which was quite rare
As someone who’s competitive experience is exclusively within random formats (i peaked around 430 in randbats, 40 in randbats blitz, and 200 in randbats monotype this gen) god i fucking love sunflora. turning a shitty stupid flower into a nuclear bomb is what makes this format so good. just the threat of sunflora is scary enough, if you can switch it in it’s either forcing a switch out or killing something 90% or the time
i used sunflora in battle tree doubles as an answer to mons like slowking and slowbro. With trick room + sun she can hit insanely hard and fast and covers torkoal/hariyamas weaknesses nicely. Sadly no weather ball that gen :
Honestly you could probably do a whole video on mediocre Pokémon that turn into monsters in RandBats.
you forgot to mention something about Sunflora which makes it even scarier: Sunny Day + Chrollophyll + Tera Fire. now you have a mon with top speed and two stabs of 100+ bp, namely Weather Ball and Solar Beem
I love running orthworm with leftovers, subtitute, iron defense, body press and tera electric. If you can get it set up it does insane damage and doesnt have any weakness because of earth eater
worm moment
Porygon z is my fav normal type, probably because its the least normal normal type
Hmm, with how good Zam is right now, I wonder if orthworm has use as a budget version that allows or even enables another restricted with shed tail
orthworm is very gorgeous to meeeee. the second shiny i ever found after a spinarak back when pokemon gold was new
Thanks for always including the Palestine click link in the description! Your videos remind me to click lol
All Sunflora needed was to be 15 levels higher than the metagame, who knew?
Based Palestine plug. Glad I followed from showdown
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Was there might to be visuals for Sunflora? 0:37
Thank you for speaking slower. I love these slideshows.
Plants vs. Zombies mentioned!
EWGF potential dokkan player???
*Sunflora"
Nah you baiting now
If only orthworm had a healing move 🥲
i was z conversion pilled during sumo
Cascoon caught a stray at the end for NO reason
Also Orthworm won some regionals in Latam :(
we need porygon - a, a physical one
can you do a video on glaceon some day?
Except Ledian
Orthworm is my guy! I love an Orthworm!!!!
speaking of randbats, i played doubles randbats a while back
one of the mons that i never wanna see again is LUVDISC, it's level 100 and so it has a very fast charm, and becomes surprisingly bulky with that level difference too
Random battle meta is so fun
since sunflora sucks ass
Shout out to my Porygon-Z in my last playthrough of Platinum. Somehow, the madlad managed to freeze Cynthia's Garchomp, giving me the chance I needed to beat her. I couldn't have done it without you my favorite glitchy space duck!
i cant hear u
Sunny Day + Chlorophyll Sunflora as a Late Game Cleaner is my favorite set to use in Random Battles. It cleans so easily, it almost reverse swept my opponent when I was about to lose 5-0.
love these bite size interesting videos keep up the good work !!
Just won a gen 6 random game with that sunflora love to see it
Dude I love your channel, always learn so much from these
Furry
♂️
I wish Lurantis was a competitive pokemon surprise 🥲
It’s actually funny enough, a strong parallel to Sunflora in a lot of ways (even sunkern and fomantis are rly similar), but I don’t think it’s good in randbats LOL 😭
Jokes aside, love these videos so much. The amount of fun you clearly have making them shines through rly hard. You could be 4 years down the line scraping through the history of Oddish in gen 5 little cup and I’ll still be invested 💯