And friendship isn’t a thing that means two things are inherently good. Bad people can be friends, and if crowbat was anything like Cyrus I’m sure it was a bad pokemon and loved how cold he was
I was always of the mindset Cyrus was just very good at manipulation. Look at him running all of Team Galactic. He very much at age 27 knows what he's doing on a devastating scale. Manipulating a Pokemon into loving him would be an average Tuesday. Besides, don't tools always function better when you take care of them?
Cyrus having a Crobat doesn't automatically mean he cheated or that it constitutes a contradiction in his character. Ever heard of this thing that people do called "lying"? Cyrus could just as easily just be putting on a front to keep his Galactic grunts in line. He could just as easily view PEOPLE - not Pokémon - as tools. Or, he could be lying to himself when he claims that emotions make a person weak and that they're useless, even though he can't help but care about his own Pokémon. Or, he (probably) cares about his Pokémon and links that to his own weakness, which he projecte onto other people. Capturing Palkia/Dialga/Giratina to change the world as he sees fit at that point becomes more about changing the environment around him into something he thinks will help him escape his own feelings if inadequacy. Or maybe he just stole some kid's Crobat and tortured it into submission like he did with the lake guardians because he's a f'n villain, come on!
In japanese, it is just called a emotional attachment. Which is a concept as vague as what should count as anime. If your Mon has a positive image of you, then that counts towards the stat, which does not technically exclude something akin to an abusive relationship where the mon is being gaslit into liking you. Also, happiness is appearently a fan name and friendship IS the correct localized name. Unless one is playing Gen 2, then it's loyalty.
In Platinum there's a whole sidequest just about how Cyrus was traumatized during his childhood and didnt hate others untill grown up. This Crobat can just be a pokemon he got before the traumas.
It's because he's replacing Giovanni, the Ground specialist gym leader, and doesn't feel any compulsion to change the team that won him the Pokemon League aside from trading his starter to Red so they can both complete the Pokedex.
Gym leaders change their team based on who they face. This was literally clarified in the same game you face Blue. As the 16th gym you face and once champion, he’s obviously going all out because of who you are. That has no solid correlation on his teams for other trainers.
Not to mention, he's very new to being the Viridian City Gym Leader. There was likely an entire year's worth of job training to make sure he knew all the rules and regulations of being an official League gym leader, but even without any such education period, Giovanni was ousted from the role only 2 years before we battle Blue in his place. It's one thing to be able to train only 6 Pokémon to be a powerful and varied team in a relatively short time. It takes way longer if you're raising 8+ separate teams to fit certain criteria, not for the purposes of being the strongest, but for providing an appropriate but surmountable challenge to up and coming trainers. Blue very likely hasn't had enough time to train enough Ground Types to battle someone of the Johto player's level, so he has to use his original team to be an appropriate challenge.
1. the Crobat was stolen/gifted/traded post evolution(personally believe this), or evolved by loving Cyrus without being loved back(see it too much). 2. I'm not sure whether it being team rocket's experiments is canon or just popular explanation, but many pokemon evolved earlier than they could normally while being wild, which would allow anyone to capture them.
The 1st part of the 1st claim cannot be true as he had a Golbat in his first battle. I think he just force-fed Golbat EV berries to force-evolve it, or maybe all the walking around Sinnoh met the requirements for the arbitrary friendship value to increase enough to evolve.
@@acekingbones Ah yes, because a character like that wouldn't get rid of his Golbat to make way for a Crobat through a trade which enforces his idea that Pokemon are just objects to be used.
@@Andulvar Yeah, that was the thought. I bet some of his team was swapped without us noticing for ones with better IVs too, haven't looked at the actual game data but if someone does and proves me wrong, that either means he didn't have the opportunity or did it BEFORE we first encounter him because he would totally do that.
Another theory could be that a grunt in the team is the one who looks after his Pokémon and it was the grunt’s love and affection that helped Golbat evolve and Cyrus is just using his Pokémon whenever he needs to battle. Makes sense when you have a high ranking officer in a group who can’t be bothered to train his own Pokémon so he has grunts do all of the training and caring for the Pokémon while he only uses them whenever they’re needed.
1. Cyrus having a Crobat isn't a rule break, others have come up with explanations for it that still fit his character, such as his Crobat strongly trusting Cyrus even though they aren't friendly with each other. 2. Neither are Lance's Dragonites, there are *many* fully-evolved Pokemon that can be found in the wild at levels below their evolution level, even in the first generation. And while this is well after the Jhoto games, you yourself have stated that wild Dragonites can be found as low as Level 10. And if they can exist in the wild at levels that low, it's not a cheat. 3. I mean, was that even a rule in the first place? Sure, all the other Gym Leaders use a specialty, but there was never any mention of it being required. It could just be something that's highly recommended, but not out-right required. And the only reason he hands out the Earth Badge is because he's Giovanni's replacement. 4. Pretty sure this is a developer oversight or just laziness on GameFreak's part. Not the NPC's fault at all. 5. Can't argue with that. 6. Seriously, stop with this. Just 'cause it's impossible for us players doesn't mean others in the Pokemon world can't get these underleveled evolved Pokemon. 7. *NPCs you can only encounter through Glitches should not freaking count!!* You're not supposed to encounter them in the first place! On top of that, this guy might literally just be a result of the game trying to read data as trainer data that was never meant to be trainer data in the first place! 8. Okay, so I ended up watching Dobbs' Pokemon softlock video to face-check my point for this one, and his footage showed that trainer *retaining* his position *in the generation 1 games,* so... yeah, I think this one's outright false. Though I dunno about the Let's Go games. 9. Okay, let me explain this one. Move Tutors exist. Sure, none of them teach this move, but if a *person* can teach a *Pokemon* moves, then I don't see why Bertha couldn't have taught her own Rhyperior how to use this one. 10. Yeah, she's clearly breaking League rules just 'cause she's a sore loser.
If he's gonna get on Lance for anything, it should be that his Dragonite in Gen 1 has Barrier on its moveset. A move that it can't learn in any games. The only problem with Bertha's Rhyperior is that the only way it can learn Rock Wrecker is through level up. It can't be bred onto it, as to breed a level up move down to a pre-evo, the pre-evo must also be able to learn the move. Though, if a mon can appear before its evo level, it's possible for them to learn moves early. There's also the fact that in gens 6 and 7, Rock Wrecker became a level 1 move for Rhyperior. I'd also include Blaine in the list. Only for locking his gym and the only key being in the derelict house next door. Blue's team in GSCHGSS is just his Champion team from RGB without any starters. He isn't really doing a gym challenge as much as he's doing a league battle. We know that gym leaders choose their teams to suit the opponent, otherwise Cheren in B2W2 would have a high level Stoutland in the first gym. And the type limit actually hurt Jasmine as she went from a Rock gym to a Steel gym when her ace Onix evolved into Steelix and she quickly caught 2 Magnemite in the adjacent route to have enough Steel-types for her gym challenge.
@@Dw7freak "We know that gym leaders choose their teams to suit the opponent, otherwise Cheren in B2W2 would have a high level Stoutland in the first gym." Didn't we also see this in Origins, with Brock taking only two of six prepared Poké Balls when Red challenged him? "And the type limit actually hurt Jasmine as she went from a Rock gym to a Steel gym when her ace Onix evolved into Steelix and she quickly caught 2 Magnemite in the adjacent route to have enough Steel-types for her gym challenge." Yeah, the Steel type was too new for her to really have a good team centered around it. Though honestly, we don't know for sure the reason she changed specialties. IMO, I don't think it'd be too far-fetched for her to have continued to be a Rock-type specialist, just with the addition of a Steelix. I mean, multiple members of the Indigo Elite 4 (in both the Kanto and Jhoto games) used Pokemon that didn't match their specialty type. That's about all I really have to comment on.
10. There is a second Johto gym leader in the same boat: Everyone's favorite normal type gym leader, Whitney, cries and refuses to give you the badge at first if you manage to beat her miltank on your first try.
@@johnstudent6968 First off, I'm pretty sure it's just if she loses in general, and second, no, she's not refusing to give you the badge, nor is she demanding you do something else to "prove you deserve the badge", she's simply just too busy crying and being upset over her loss to give it to you right away. She gives you the badge without any issues once she's calmed down, so no, she's not breaking the rules.
no bro he literally has a golbat in the early game.. lol also ain't no such thing as a "head canon" that literally goes against and contradicts what canon actually means. dumb.
@@TRVPHAUSdude, think about it. He could have gotten rid of said golbat once he got his hands on the crobat. He doesn't exactly care about his pokemon enough not to replace them as soon as he got something better.
Pokémon existing despite not having the level to exist yet is NOT cheating, or are you telling me the Viridian Forest is cheating with it's Metapods and Kakunas at level 4-6 and in Yellow a Pidgeotto at Level 9?
Why was there an elderly treeko in pokemon advanced if pokemon dont evolve by aging alone? Sure, a pokemon cqn choose to run away all the time and evolve by aging in theory, the same theory that doesnt work once you see a first stage pokemon looking like it's 90 years old
@@Alegriacaptions claiming that anything you dont like isnt relevant does nothing but show thqt you'd willingly ignore cannon to serve your head-cannon. It's something that happened within cannon that needs to be adressed too. Pretending like it's not happening doesnt make it magically vanish
(8:31) An Escape Rope doesn't work there since you're not in a cave or building, and if you're able to Fly, then that means you've beaten Lt. Surge, who requires Cut to reach. Anyway, had the devs thought of this, an easy solution would've been to put a one-way ledge next to that trainer there that you could jump down from above, preventing any possibility of a softlock situation.
@@renakunisaki You can if you caught an Abra and have it in your party with you there. As for TM30, it's found on Route 9, which you can't reach until after being able to use Cut outside of battle anyway, so if you don't have an Abra (or its evolutions) with you, Teleport isn't an option here.
Yeah, nah, the Crowbat isn't a broken rule. It's non-verbal storytelling. Either the Crobat evolved because it loved Cyrus without getting it in return, or he's lying about feeling nothing, or he simply stole it from someone else who raised it with love and care.
About some Pokémon owned by NPCs being under leveled for them to be in their final form. In the Alola games, players can catch a level 5 Salamance. I repeat: a LEVEL 5 Salamance.
Well the only instance of Lance cheating you provided was something with a potential explanation. But what doesn't have an explanation? Him having Dragonite with the move Barrier in Gen 1. And yes it was an impossible move until an event distribution happened to specifically give this version of Lance's Dragonite which knows Barrier. Bro broke the rules so hard that the universe itself changed to fix the paradox.
@@calvin1228 yes, I am fully aware. My point is, Dragonite never, in any gen at all, learned Barrier by natural means, while the other eventually did. Dragonite is just actually a worse form of cheating on Lance's end.
I always liked that Blue was the only gym leader to have multiple types on his team. He doesn't want anyone rolling in with a team of his countertypes and walk away with a badge like that. He takes the challenge seriously and he wants the people that visit his gym to do the same. He is, after all, a former champion himself, no matter how brief his time was. It makes him stand out and it fits his personality of wanting to do things his way and not giving a shit if that conforms to the norm or not.
Cyrus is a tsundere. Crobat is clearly able to see through his lies Flying type champion lance had a game shark. Or he went to yhe future and got a level 5 Dragonite Blue is about as earth as flint is fire or his electric buddy Everything in x and y needs to go Gameshark Sore loser Elite four cheat yet again Clair cheating is why she never gains her dragon certificate
Regarding Lances dragonites in gold and silver being 47-50 remember how gold and silver are sequels to red and blue three years later and those same dragonites lance used back in red and blue where they where 56-62 so we need an explanation how their levels went down instead of how they evolved before level 55.
Inflation. Remember, GSC takes place 2 years after RBY. Experience just doesn't get you the same amount of levels as it did 2 years ago in Kanto. That's what happens when the big beraucrats on the idigo plateau give free health care pokecenters to all but don't really have the taxes to pay for it. They just keep printing pokedollars, and the average Jhoto middle class trainers can't even afford potions, much less evolution stones. Everyone tries to blame the 2nd generation for having a bad level curve. But they are just doing the best they can with the experience available. People need to wake up and vote the elites out of the elite 4 and put it back in the hands of the everyday citizens.
Actually Crobat doesn't need to be loved but to feel loved. Despite everything Cyrus shows in the games that he can make people feel usefull and beloved when they're just tools of him. That's why plasma grunts follow him after all, so his Golbat could be the same thing
What's funny about Clara having setup toxic spikes is that I led with my shiny Cinderace before I knew anything about it. My Cinderace at the time was holding Heavy Duty Boots and knew Court Change.
His crobat could have been caught after it had evolved or traded or stolen. No need for stupid friendship if you just steal some one else evolved pokemon.
Cyrus: the golbat loved him enough to evolve even if it was one sided Lance: the guy hung around the rocket hideout where Magikarp were forced to evolve
I heard a fan theory somewhere that Lance's 2 other Dragonair in his team evolved in advance despite being underleved since it was exposed to Team Rocket's radio signal which forcibly evolves Pokemon within its vicinity. Again, thats just a theory and it does seem to hold up because a. The wild Pokemon seem unaffected b. The player character was also there and his/her Pokemon was also unaffected.
I love this theory. Maybe because the player wasn't there long enough for the signals to affect the pokemon in your party or maybe the pokeball acts as a barrier to the waves, like how lead is used to prevent any additional X-rays going into your body when the doctors take X-ray images of your body.
1:49 That is incorrect. Dragonite can be level 1 in Pokemon Go. Level 40 was the old level cap before it was bumped up to level 50. Hell any Pokemon that can be caught in the wild (which includes legendary's like the Galar forms of Zapdos/Moltres/Articuno, the lake trio, lati@s during a specific event) can be level 1.
I have a theory on SOME of the underleveled evolutions. Each Gym and Elite Four has a Level Release, which removes the level cap at 50. But what if it has a secondary use to set your pokemon to a certain level, which is why a pokemon that's not suppose to evolve yet are evolved.
My take on the Cyrus issue is that you can easily manipulate someone through dark psychology. Pokemon should be no different because in the manga, anime and most games, you can easily see that pokemon have emotions. Pokemon, just like humans, have emotions that can be twisted to meet an end. I personally feel like my head cannon fits Cyrus's persona to a "T". Another thought is this, maybe Crobat is sentient enough to know from good and evil, but can't differentiate between Cyrus' motives. Let's call this Stockholm syndrome?
A theory about Cyrus' Crobat is that it evolved not from friendship but from a strong trust between it and Cyrus which caused it to evolve believing the link was strong enough for it to be trusted to evolve
No pokemon ever evolves because you love it enough. Are you telling me Little Timmy that just caught his Golbat and named it loves the pokemon less than Speedrunner 57 running up and down the road at 20x game speed to max out the friendship value?
About Cyrus's Crowbat. Its probably not like that at all. If you talk to the friendship NPC (I think it was outside of Sangem town) The NPC basically tells you the trainer how your pokemon feels about you. Which means that Crobat considers Cyrus its friend. Or, he got someone else to become friends with a Golbat so it would evolve and traded for it. Or, he stole is from someone else.
It's not said enough but friendship evolutions are always such a pain. Way too much focus and attention needed on these pokemon while the rest of your team misses out on a lot of xp and usage
The way I see Cyrus' crobat is he sees it as a tool/weapon. So he would take care of it and make sure it doesn't get too hurt for too long. So like giving berries, massage in DPPt, and aby number of things that would fall under "maintenance"
Was it ever specifically stated that gym leaders HAVE to use just one type? I thought gym leaders could use a diverse team like Blue's, but that most choose not to because they have a favourite type.
For Lance's dragonite, my headcanon is that it's kind of a unique ability peoples from the viridian forest have (as seen with Yellow in the pokemon special, or pokemon adventure, manga. Yellow can heal his pokemons without the need for a potion, a berry or a pokemon center. He can just heal them.).
Right from the start your first one doesn't make any sense because I've gotten a lot of Pokemon to evolve from "friendship" without actually caring about them. 😂
I'm not a lore expert, but is it possible Blue just took over Viridian Gym temporarily, or simply was the only valid candidate willing to take over at the time?
1:12 CORRECTION: Lance is the Champion of the Indigo league in Johto. Three years ago before the Indigo league merged with Johto after being discovered. He was the final Elite 4 member of K A N T O !
for lance we have to remember that team rocket was using radio waves to force pokemon to evolve, there for those waves could have forced lances dragonites to evolve.
This guy say transfer Dragonite from Pokemon GO....that existed somewhere in 2016 release, while the Pokeman Red and Blue on the GameBoy Color predate that era. I know it just a video, but I just found it funny how Lance can time travel or something. I got a good laugh out this. Like and sub. Keep up the good work!
Theres always a possibility that some of these pokemon could have been caught in the wild. I know most evolution pokemon cant be caught in the wild, but whose to say that they are so rare that the player never sees them. Maybe that 1 in a million Crowbat just chilling in a cave one day.
Maybe Lance is such a good dragon trainer he can evolve his dragonite early. Maybe the level 55 evolve is just for people with no special skills at training dragons.
My personal theory is the cheaters that use pokemon that are underleveled is that they are using level limiters. Think about it. When we battle other players our pokemon are limited to level 50 even if they’re level 100, which also gives them access to moves that they wouldn’t have at level 50. So maybe they use these level limiters to even the playing field with where they think trainers should be at when confronting them. This also explains why when you rechallenge the elite four and gym leaders after beating the game they will have the same pokemon but MUCH stronger. It was the same exact pokemon you fought before, just the level limiters removed.
I could honestly see Cyrus maybe having the golbat evolve maybe when he was a child and back when he still cared for his pokemon before he had his twisted ideals
I like the Battle SIM's Machamp you use in one battle that has access to Swords Dance in one fight. Less of a cheat since it's a virtual training environment but clearly someone trying to construct a battle lacking the planning to make it legally possible
In terms of game coding the flygon definitely breaks the rules, but it doesn’t necessarily have to from a lore perspective. If he trained it to hold back when attacking and play dead/defeated after a certain point, it could feasibly give the impression of being a weaker level than is actually is. I don't really begrudge the developers for going with an aesthetic choice while balancing the game to the player's expected level in either case.
Clair likely broke Pokemon League rules by refusing to give you the badge, but we actually can't really be sure. The elder's comment could have been more that Lance would disapprove of the behavior whether or not it was officially allowed. And the Pokemon League functions differently in different regions. In Galar trainers are told a specific order that they are to obtain badges in accordance with the league challenge, while Kanto has no such rule, many people not even realizing during their playthrough that Koga is supposed to be battled before Sabrina (and Paldea definitely allows whatever gym order you like). In Kalos you're able to defeat Korrina in battle, but because she wasn't battling you in her capacity as a gym leader, you don't get the badge until you beat her properly in her gym. Galar even mentions, though you don't really see the details of it, major league gyms (those part of the league challenge) and minor league gyms (like Avery and Clara are in charge of), which likely have different rules governing them. So, was Clair cheating or breaking the rules of the Johto Pokemon League. Most likely, yes. Can we be certain of that? Technically, no.
We need more gym leaders like Blue. We need gym leaders who specialize in a tactic instead of a type. We need some goofy gym leaders who only use quadrupeds or something.
Lance's Dragonairs evolved due to Team Rocket's modus operandi at Lake of Rage in Johto which forced Magikarps there to evolve into Gyarados... He was investigating it when you encounter him in the game... Just a theory by many though. haha
Cyrus can be explained in one of two ways. First one obviously being he traded for it, second and more of a stretch is that the Golbat knew how Cyrus saw it, was okay with it, and did it's best to be said tool for Cyrus this building a friendship under the pretense that it wanted to be useful and through enough times bonded enough with Cyrus to evolve
I have always said that Cyrus' Crobat evolved because it loved him. It doesn't need him to love it back to evolve.
And friendship isn’t a thing that means two things are inherently good. Bad people can be friends, and if crowbat was anything like Cyrus I’m sure it was a bad pokemon and loved how cold he was
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He took it off a Team Galactic Grunt with a particular friendship with their Golbat
Which is dark and cruel, but also very viable.
I was always of the mindset Cyrus was just very good at manipulation. Look at him running all of Team Galactic. He very much at age 27 knows what he's doing on a devastating scale. Manipulating a Pokemon into loving him would be an average Tuesday. Besides, don't tools always function better when you take care of them?
Or cyrus manipulated his golbat into becoming crobat
Cyrus having a Crobat doesn't automatically mean he cheated or that it constitutes a contradiction in his character. Ever heard of this thing that people do called "lying"? Cyrus could just as easily just be putting on a front to keep his Galactic grunts in line. He could just as easily view PEOPLE - not Pokémon - as tools.
Or, he could be lying to himself when he claims that emotions make a person weak and that they're useless, even though he can't help but care about his own Pokémon.
Or, he (probably) cares about his Pokémon and links that to his own weakness, which he projecte onto other people. Capturing Palkia/Dialga/Giratina to change the world as he sees fit at that point becomes more about changing the environment around him into something he thinks will help him escape his own feelings if inadequacy.
Or maybe he just stole some kid's Crobat and tortured it into submission like he did with the lake guardians because he's a f'n villain, come on!
The "friendship" stat is called "happiness". All the Golbat needs is to be happy. Maybe Crobat is just happy battling for Cyrus.
In japanese, it is just called a emotional attachment. Which is a concept as vague as what should count as anime. If your Mon has a positive image of you, then that counts towards the stat, which does not technically exclude something akin to an abusive relationship where the mon is being gaslit into liking you.
Also, happiness is appearently a fan name and friendship IS the correct localized name. Unless one is playing Gen 2, then it's loyalty.
@@lpfan4491 Yes he is right
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Johto had a special radio signal that forced early evolution that lance was investigating
That's what caused the red garydos
yeah i was going to point that out
But it could also explain Lance's low level dragonites
@@dragnbreath1 they would’ve maintained their color from their pre-evolution
@jennbryant1814 the red gyarados is just shiny, before then most people probably hadn't seen many, if any, shiny pokemon
I always read Cyrus' crowbat as Cyrus lying about not caring about pokemon. He claims not to, but he values his crowbat enough to let it evolve
It just needs walking for it to love him
In Platinum there's a whole sidequest just about how Cyrus was traumatized during his childhood and didnt hate others untill grown up.
This Crobat can just be a pokemon he got before the traumas.
Exactly. I always viewed it as a sign of his delusional state of mind and hypocrisy.
Traded it
I think we assume we need to love the Pokémon but in reality they have to love us so maybe golbat was like your a ass but I like you
Blue giving the earth badge actually makes sense in Japan, since there it’s called the green badge and blue is called green in Japan.
It's because he's replacing Giovanni, the Ground specialist gym leader, and doesn't feel any compulsion to change the team that won him the Pokemon League aside from trading his starter to Red so they can both complete the Pokedex.
@@RoninCatholic I’m just talking about the badge
@@Sanicfan9192 The badge is tied to the gym, not the leader.
@@RoninCatholic ok
Gym leaders change their team based on who they face. This was literally clarified in the same game you face Blue. As the 16th gym you face and once champion, he’s obviously going all out because of who you are. That has no solid correlation on his teams for other trainers.
Imagine battling him in RBY with that team just to rematch him in GSC with random ground types lmao
Not to mention, he's very new to being the Viridian City Gym Leader. There was likely an entire year's worth of job training to make sure he knew all the rules and regulations of being an official League gym leader, but even without any such education period, Giovanni was ousted from the role only 2 years before we battle Blue in his place. It's one thing to be able to train only 6 Pokémon to be a powerful and varied team in a relatively short time. It takes way longer if you're raising 8+ separate teams to fit certain criteria, not for the purposes of being the strongest, but for providing an appropriate but surmountable challenge to up and coming trainers. Blue very likely hasn't had enough time to train enough Ground Types to battle someone of the Johto player's level, so he has to use his original team to be an appropriate challenge.
1. the Crobat was stolen/gifted/traded post evolution(personally believe this), or evolved by loving Cyrus without being loved back(see it too much).
2. I'm not sure whether it being team rocket's experiments is canon or just popular explanation, but many pokemon evolved earlier than they could normally while being wild, which would allow anyone to capture them.
The 1st part of the 1st claim cannot be true as he had a Golbat in his first battle. I think he just force-fed Golbat EV berries to force-evolve it, or maybe all the walking around Sinnoh met the requirements for the arbitrary friendship value to increase enough to evolve.
@@acekingbones Ah yes, because a character like that wouldn't get rid of his Golbat to make way for a Crobat through a trade which enforces his idea that Pokemon are just objects to be used.
@@Andulvar Yeah, that was the thought. I bet some of his team was swapped without us noticing for ones with better IVs too, haven't looked at the actual game data but if someone does and proves me wrong, that either means he didn't have the opportunity or did it BEFORE we first encounter him because he would totally do that.
Another theory could be that a grunt in the team is the one who looks after his Pokémon and it was the grunt’s love and affection that helped Golbat evolve and Cyrus is just using his Pokémon whenever he needs to battle.
Makes sense when you have a high ranking officer in a group who can’t be bothered to train his own Pokémon so he has grunts do all of the training and caring for the Pokémon while he only uses them whenever they’re needed.
@@vorco8120 YES!! That is so much better! I love brainstorming potential new headcanons with random people in the comments.
1. Cyrus having a Crobat isn't a rule break, others have come up with explanations for it that still fit his character, such as his Crobat strongly trusting Cyrus even though they aren't friendly with each other.
2. Neither are Lance's Dragonites, there are *many* fully-evolved Pokemon that can be found in the wild at levels below their evolution level, even in the first generation. And while this is well after the Jhoto games, you yourself have stated that wild Dragonites can be found as low as Level 10. And if they can exist in the wild at levels that low, it's not a cheat.
3. I mean, was that even a rule in the first place? Sure, all the other Gym Leaders use a specialty, but there was never any mention of it being required. It could just be something that's highly recommended, but not out-right required. And the only reason he hands out the Earth Badge is because he's Giovanni's replacement.
4. Pretty sure this is a developer oversight or just laziness on GameFreak's part. Not the NPC's fault at all.
5. Can't argue with that.
6. Seriously, stop with this. Just 'cause it's impossible for us players doesn't mean others in the Pokemon world can't get these underleveled evolved Pokemon.
7. *NPCs you can only encounter through Glitches should not freaking count!!* You're not supposed to encounter them in the first place! On top of that, this guy might literally just be a result of the game trying to read data as trainer data that was never meant to be trainer data in the first place!
8. Okay, so I ended up watching Dobbs' Pokemon softlock video to face-check my point for this one, and his footage showed that trainer *retaining* his position *in the generation 1 games,* so... yeah, I think this one's outright false. Though I dunno about the Let's Go games.
9. Okay, let me explain this one. Move Tutors exist. Sure, none of them teach this move, but if a *person* can teach a *Pokemon* moves, then I don't see why Bertha couldn't have taught her own Rhyperior how to use this one.
10. Yeah, she's clearly breaking League rules just 'cause she's a sore loser.
If he's gonna get on Lance for anything, it should be that his Dragonite in Gen 1 has Barrier on its moveset. A move that it can't learn in any games.
The only problem with Bertha's Rhyperior is that the only way it can learn Rock Wrecker is through level up. It can't be bred onto it, as to breed a level up move down to a pre-evo, the pre-evo must also be able to learn the move. Though, if a mon can appear before its evo level, it's possible for them to learn moves early. There's also the fact that in gens 6 and 7, Rock Wrecker became a level 1 move for Rhyperior.
I'd also include Blaine in the list. Only for locking his gym and the only key being in the derelict house next door.
Blue's team in GSCHGSS is just his Champion team from RGB without any starters. He isn't really doing a gym challenge as much as he's doing a league battle. We know that gym leaders choose their teams to suit the opponent, otherwise Cheren in B2W2 would have a high level Stoutland in the first gym. And the type limit actually hurt Jasmine as she went from a Rock gym to a Steel gym when her ace Onix evolved into Steelix and she quickly caught 2 Magnemite in the adjacent route to have enough Steel-types for her gym challenge.
@@Dw7freak "We know that gym leaders choose their teams to suit the opponent, otherwise Cheren in B2W2 would have a high level Stoutland in the first gym." Didn't we also see this in Origins, with Brock taking only two of six prepared Poké Balls when Red challenged him?
"And the type limit actually hurt Jasmine as she went from a Rock gym to a Steel gym when her ace Onix evolved into Steelix and she quickly caught 2 Magnemite in the adjacent route to have enough Steel-types for her gym challenge." Yeah, the Steel type was too new for her to really have a good team centered around it. Though honestly, we don't know for sure the reason she changed specialties. IMO, I don't think it'd be too far-fetched for her to have continued to be a Rock-type specialist, just with the addition of a Steelix. I mean, multiple members of the Indigo Elite 4 (in both the Kanto and Jhoto games) used Pokemon that didn't match their specialty type.
That's about all I really have to comment on.
10. There is a second Johto gym leader in the same boat: Everyone's favorite normal type gym leader, Whitney, cries and refuses to give you the badge at first if you manage to beat her miltank on your first try.
@@johnstudent6968 First off, I'm pretty sure it's just if she loses in general, and second, no, she's not refusing to give you the badge, nor is she demanding you do something else to "prove you deserve the badge", she's simply just too busy crying and being upset over her loss to give it to you right away. She gives you the badge without any issues once she's calmed down, so no, she's not breaking the rules.
@BurstFlare Ah! Thanks for clarifying that to me. It's been a while since I played Gen 2 games/remakes.
Fun fact:
Lance is, technically speaking, a flying type master in Johto
Bird Keeper Lance
Cyrus could have taken the Crobat from another trainer.
My headcanon is that lance’s dragonite evolved from the lake of rage rocket radio signal.
Or he caught it in Alola (wild pokemon call for help)
no bro he literally has a golbat in the early game.. lol
also ain't no such thing as a "head canon" that literally goes against and contradicts what canon actually means. dumb.
@@TRVPHAUSdude, think about it. He could have gotten rid of said golbat once he got his hands on the crobat. He doesn't exactly care about his pokemon enough not to replace them as soon as he got something better.
@@faeril2389 bro that makes literally no sense. quit coping.
I mean, it only reflects the Crobat's feelings not his.
True
Re: crobat - youve never been in a toxic relationship
Or traded
Pokémon existing despite not having the level to exist yet is NOT cheating, or are you telling me the Viridian Forest is cheating with it's Metapods and Kakunas at level 4-6 and in Yellow a Pidgeotto at Level 9?
Gold, Silver, Crystal, Heartgold, Soulsilver, they all have underleveled evolved pokemon too, especially in Kanto
There's a whole bulbapedia page on "illegal" Pokémon (wild or trainer) if you need more examples
Why was there an elderly treeko in pokemon advanced if pokemon dont evolve by aging alone?
Sure, a pokemon cqn choose to run away all the time and evolve by aging in theory, the same theory that doesnt work once you see a first stage pokemon looking like it's 90 years old
@@youtubestudiosucks978 that's not relevant.
@@Alegriacaptions claiming that anything you dont like isnt relevant does nothing but show thqt you'd willingly ignore cannon to serve your head-cannon.
It's something that happened within cannon that needs to be adressed too.
Pretending like it's not happening doesnt make it magically vanish
I recall a friend telling me about an aroma lady in Ruby/Sapphire who could jump up the unclimbable ledge if she spots you for a battle to her left.
It's true she does. The aroma lady leaving mauville going towards the water
Isn't there one in the sunken ship that walks through a wall?
(8:31) An Escape Rope doesn't work there since you're not in a cave or building, and if you're able to Fly, then that means you've beaten Lt. Surge, who requires Cut to reach. Anyway, had the devs thought of this, an easy solution would've been to put a one-way ledge next to that trainer there that you could jump down from above, preventing any possibility of a softlock situation.
Yeah, pretty sure the video already explained this buddy.
Teleport would work, but I don't know if you can get it that early.
@@renakunisaki
You can if you caught an Abra and have it in your party with you there. As for TM30, it's found on Route 9, which you can't reach until after being able to use Cut outside of battle anyway, so if you don't have an Abra (or its evolutions) with you, Teleport isn't an option here.
Yeah, nah, the Crowbat isn't a broken rule. It's non-verbal storytelling. Either the Crobat evolved because it loved Cyrus without getting it in return, or he's lying about feeling nothing, or he simply stole it from someone else who raised it with love and care.
Or option 4 he caught it fully evolved and the friendship thing was with a girl crowbat 😏
About some Pokémon owned by NPCs being under leveled for them to be in their final form. In the Alola games, players can catch a level 5 Salamance. I repeat: a LEVEL 5 Salamance.
The crowbar doesn't need him to love him, crowbat just needs to be happy with him
Well the only instance of Lance cheating you provided was something with a potential explanation. But what doesn't have an explanation? Him having Dragonite with the move Barrier in Gen 1. And yes it was an impossible move until an event distribution happened to specifically give this version of Lance's Dragonite which knows Barrier. Bro broke the rules so hard that the universe itself changed to fix the paradox.
and isnt it the same with his Aerodactyl knowing Rock Slide in GSC
@@calvin1228 yeah, but that one at least obtained the move as a learnable move in gen 3. Dragonite still can't just casually learn Barrier.
@@krysal1489 but thats gen 3 not gen 2
@@calvin1228 yes, I am fully aware. My point is, Dragonite never, in any gen at all, learned Barrier by natural means, while the other eventually did. Dragonite is just actually a worse form of cheating on Lance's end.
Was looking for this one. Sadly missed that event but always annoyed me that you still can't (in practical terms) get a Barrier dragonite.
I always liked that Blue was the only gym leader to have multiple types on his team. He doesn't want anyone rolling in with a team of his countertypes and walk away with a badge like that. He takes the challenge seriously and he wants the people that visit his gym to do the same. He is, after all, a former champion himself, no matter how brief his time was. It makes him stand out and it fits his personality of wanting to do things his way and not giving a shit if that conforms to the norm or not.
You did a little mistake at 4:24
The one on the left isn't Avery, it's Bede. Avery is the one with the big hat and the floating Pokéballs.
Cyrus is a tsundere. Crobat is clearly able to see through his lies
Flying type champion lance had a game shark. Or he went to yhe future and got a level 5 Dragonite
Blue is about as earth as flint is fire or his electric buddy
Everything in x and y needs to go
Gameshark
Sore loser
Elite four cheat yet again
Clair cheating is why she never gains her dragon certificate
Regarding Lances dragonites in gold and silver being 47-50 remember how gold and silver are sequels to red and blue three years later and those same dragonites lance used back in red and blue where they where 56-62 so we need an explanation how their levels went down instead of how they evolved before level 55.
Ditto trick. He exploited a glitch to catch a L7 Dragonite and leveled it up.
Inflation. Remember, GSC takes place 2 years after RBY. Experience just doesn't get you the same amount of levels as it did 2 years ago in Kanto. That's what happens when the big beraucrats on the idigo plateau give free health care pokecenters to all but don't really have the taxes to pay for it. They just keep printing pokedollars, and the average Jhoto middle class trainers can't even afford potions, much less evolution stones. Everyone tries to blame the 2nd generation for having a bad level curve. But they are just doing the best they can with the experience available. People need to wake up and vote the elites out of the elite 4 and put it back in the hands of the everyday citizens.
Cheating is definitely the wrong word for what's happening here...
1:20
He’s the final elite 4 member of the KANTO region
Maybe Cyrus's Crobat just happens to like being treated bad, maybe he's a masochist? 😂😅
Actually Crobat doesn't need to be loved but to feel loved.
Despite everything Cyrus shows in the games that he can make people feel usefull and beloved when they're just tools of him. That's why plasma grunts follow him after all, so his Golbat could be the same thing
if you're going to fact check bro (which I did too), at least get the right team name. Team Galactic.
I like to imagine Cyrus talks a big edgy game but behind closed doors he's a big softie with his pokemon.
I can't believe you brought up Johto Lance's underlevled Dragonite, but not Kanto Lance's Barrier Dragonite.
I just tell myself npcs follow the law of the anime, they just have the pokemon when it's convenient
That worker is allowing those other NPCs through because they gave him some lemonade.
Lance is a Dragon Master. Hes able to bring out the potential of dragons earlier than an average trainer
What's funny about Clara having setup toxic spikes is that I led with my shiny Cinderace before I knew anything about it. My Cinderace at the time was holding Heavy Duty Boots and knew Court Change.
His crobat could have been caught after it had evolved or traded or stolen. No need for stupid friendship if you just steal some one else evolved pokemon.
Yeah, Cyrus doesn't care about his Pokemon... Pokemon that he specifically kept with him even after remaking the world, as seen in USUM.
Crobat was very loyal to his trainer and on the team for a while it had nothing to do with how the trainer felt about him
5:35 Wait there's Team Plasma in ORAS? I thought it was Team Aqua and Team Magma?
Cyrus: the golbat loved him enough to evolve even if it was one sided
Lance: the guy hung around the rocket hideout where Magikarp were forced to evolve
I heard a fan theory somewhere that Lance's 2 other Dragonair in his team evolved in advance despite being underleved since it was exposed to Team Rocket's radio signal which forcibly evolves Pokemon within its vicinity.
Again, thats just a theory and it does seem to hold up because
a. The wild Pokemon seem unaffected
b. The player character was also there and his/her Pokemon was also unaffected.
I love this theory. Maybe because the player wasn't there long enough for the signals to affect the pokemon in your party or maybe the pokeball acts as a barrier to the waves, like how lead is used to prevent any additional X-rays going into your body when the doctors take X-ray images of your body.
I've seen stage 2 mons evolve as early as 13 to 17 and they normally do that around 20 or so in the wilds
Maybe Cyrus doesn't love crobat but because he walks around with it all over, friendship is maxed out.
I read Cyrus having a Crobat as a cheeky designer making commentary on "friendship" in Pokemon.
Lance's Barrier-knowing Dragonite has left the chat...
You don’t get it Cyrus is just on that ultra gamer grind 24/7
1:49 That is incorrect. Dragonite can be level 1 in Pokemon Go. Level 40 was the old level cap before it was bumped up to level 50.
Hell any Pokemon that can be caught in the wild (which includes legendary's like the Galar forms of Zapdos/Moltres/Articuno, the lake trio, lati@s during a specific event) can be level 1.
"If you're not cheating, you're not trying"
I have a theory on SOME of the underleveled evolutions.
Each Gym and Elite Four has a Level Release, which removes the level cap at 50. But what if it has a secondary use to set your pokemon to a certain level, which is why a pokemon that's not suppose to evolve yet are evolved.
Any friendship pokemon could have been traded to them. It's not like they can unevolve.
Avery doesn't use toxic spikes, he creates psychic terrain
"Crobat needs to be friends to evolve"
Ever thought it evolved before he got it?
we technically dont know when Cyrus' crobat evolved, for all we know he had it as a kid before he went all super villain
My take on the Cyrus issue is that you can easily manipulate someone through dark psychology. Pokemon should be no different because in the manga, anime and most games, you can easily see that pokemon have emotions. Pokemon, just like humans, have emotions that can be twisted to meet an end.
I personally feel like my head cannon fits Cyrus's persona to a "T".
Another thought is this, maybe Crobat is sentient enough to know from good and evil, but can't differentiate between Cyrus' motives. Let's call this Stockholm syndrome?
Crowbat is just in an abusive relationship with its trainer it loves him and cyrus treats him as butt
Guess we ain't gonna talk about Falkner having a Pidgeotto at level 10 in gold and silver
In Pokémon Yellow you can fish a Gyarados lv.15, which only knows Tackle.
Great video! I hope to see a sequel to this video!
If cyrus doesn't love his pokemon doesnt mean the crobat doesnt love the trainer, there are lot kind of love and loyalty is one of them
A theory about Cyrus' Crobat is that it evolved not from friendship but from a strong trust between it and Cyrus which caused it to evolve believing the link was strong enough for it to be trusted to evolve
No pokemon ever evolves because you love it enough. Are you telling me Little Timmy that just caught his Golbat and named it loves the pokemon less than Speedrunner 57 running up and down the road at 20x game speed to max out the friendship value?
About Cyrus's Crowbat. Its probably not like that at all. If you talk to the friendship NPC (I think it was outside of Sangem town) The NPC basically tells you the trainer how your pokemon feels about you. Which means that Crobat considers Cyrus its friend. Or, he got someone else to become friends with a Golbat so it would evolve and traded for it. Or, he stole is from someone else.
Lance cheats more than just underlevelled dragons - his Aerodactyl also has Rock Slide in games where it can't know it under those circumstances.
It's not said enough but friendship evolutions are always such a pain. Way too much focus and attention needed on these pokemon while the rest of your team misses out on a lot of xp and usage
The Cyrus Crobat could have just been a stolen pokemon.
The way I see Cyrus' crobat is he sees it as a tool/weapon. So he would take care of it and make sure it doesn't get too hurt for too long. So like giving berries, massage in DPPt, and aby number of things that would fall under "maintenance"
“VIH-BRA-VUH” ding dong and while we’re at it it’s “you-nuh-vuh” 🤦♂️
Maybe Cyrus got his Crobat in a trade, or he stole it, you know because he’s a criminal.
Was it ever specifically stated that gym leaders HAVE to use just one type? I thought gym leaders could use a diverse team like Blue's, but that most choose not to because they have a favourite type.
I am not sure if Lance's Dragonite were once a Team Rocket experiment subject just like what they did at Red Gyarados.
People assume Cyrus didn't just catch a wild/steal a crobat from someone
That softlock above cerulean city makes my skin crawl
Crobat is that girl that keeps going back to her abusive boyfriend
To counter the first argument cyrus could have gotten rid of his golbat and caught a wild crobat
This is why they aren't invited to regionals
what the hell are regionals
@@Chrisuan VGC tournaments in specific regions
cyrus is a criminal, its never stated he evolved that crobat. just that he has it
might have stolen it from a guy that loved his pokemon
I mean, he could have caught the Crobat, as a wild Pokémon, nothing stating they cant occur in the wild naturally.
For Lance's dragonite, my headcanon is that it's kind of a unique ability peoples from the viridian forest have (as seen with Yellow in the pokemon special, or pokemon adventure, manga. Yellow can heal his pokemons without the need for a potion, a berry or a pokemon center. He can just heal them.).
He wasn't cheating, he was lying cuz he was embarrassed that he looooooves his pokemon
Right from the start your first one doesn't make any sense because I've gotten a lot of Pokemon to evolve from "friendship" without actually caring about them. 😂
I'm not a lore expert, but is it possible Blue just took over Viridian Gym temporarily, or simply was the only valid candidate willing to take over at the time?
1:12
CORRECTION:
Lance is the Champion of the Indigo league in Johto.
Three years ago before the Indigo league merged with Johto after being discovered. He was the final Elite 4 member of
K A N T O !
Or you know, he just traded for his Crobat
Cyrus could have just caught Crobat that way
Elite Four uses lawyers!
It's super effective!
for lance we have to remember that team rocket was using radio waves to force pokemon to evolve, there for those waves could have forced lances dragonites to evolve.
Lance's Dragonites could have been effected by the same energy that made the red Gyridos.
Lance also cheats in gen 1. His Dragonite knows Barrier.
This guy say transfer Dragonite from Pokemon GO....that existed somewhere in 2016 release, while the Pokeman Red and Blue on the GameBoy Color predate that era. I know it just a video, but I just found it funny how Lance can time travel or something. I got a good laugh out this. Like and sub. Keep up the good work!
Theres always a possibility that some of these pokemon could have been caught in the wild.
I know most evolution pokemon cant be caught in the wild, but whose to say that they are so rare that the player never sees them. Maybe that 1 in a million Crowbat just chilling in a cave one day.
Maybe Lance is such a good dragon trainer he can evolve his dragonite early. Maybe the level 55 evolve is just for people with no special skills at training dragons.
My personal theory is the cheaters that use pokemon that are underleveled is that they are using level limiters. Think about it. When we battle other players our pokemon are limited to level 50 even if they’re level 100, which also gives them access to moves that they wouldn’t have at level 50. So maybe they use these level limiters to even the playing field with where they think trainers should be at when confronting them. This also explains why when you rechallenge the elite four and gym leaders after beating the game they will have the same pokemon but MUCH stronger. It was the same exact pokemon you fought before, just the level limiters removed.
Perhaps Lance is using his older Dragonites. With the time gap, It's possible that the Dragonites leveled down, mainly because of age.
I like to believe that is Golbat evolved because it was as evil as Cyrus and as such felt kinship with him enough to evolve
I could honestly see Cyrus maybe having the golbat evolve maybe when he was a child and back when he still cared for his pokemon before he had his twisted ideals
I like the Battle SIM's Machamp you use in one battle that has access to Swords Dance in one fight. Less of a cheat since it's a virtual training environment but clearly someone trying to construct a battle lacking the planning to make it legally possible
In terms of game coding the flygon definitely breaks the rules, but it doesn’t necessarily have to from a lore perspective. If he trained it to hold back when attacking and play dead/defeated after a certain point, it could feasibly give the impression of being a weaker level than is actually is.
I don't really begrudge the developers for going with an aesthetic choice while balancing the game to the player's expected level in either case.
Regarding Lance, in the Johto games, his Aerodactyl knows Rock Slide. Aerodactyl doesn't get Rock Slide until gen 3
Clair likely broke Pokemon League rules by refusing to give you the badge, but we actually can't really be sure. The elder's comment could have been more that Lance would disapprove of the behavior whether or not it was officially allowed. And the Pokemon League functions differently in different regions. In Galar trainers are told a specific order that they are to obtain badges in accordance with the league challenge, while Kanto has no such rule, many people not even realizing during their playthrough that Koga is supposed to be battled before Sabrina (and Paldea definitely allows whatever gym order you like). In Kalos you're able to defeat Korrina in battle, but because she wasn't battling you in her capacity as a gym leader, you don't get the badge until you beat her properly in her gym. Galar even mentions, though you don't really see the details of it, major league gyms (those part of the league challenge) and minor league gyms (like Avery and Clara are in charge of), which likely have different rules governing them. So, was Clair cheating or breaking the rules of the Johto Pokemon League. Most likely, yes. Can we be certain of that? Technically, no.
We need more gym leaders like Blue. We need gym leaders who specialize in a tactic instead of a type. We need some goofy gym leaders who only use quadrupeds or something.
I heard once that Cyrus could've just played pretend with Golbat only for it to evolve, which... Yeah, pretty sad.
or just hear me out if could be a one side love or he secretly love his bat and being a mucho guy he is he does not want tell everyone.
Lance's Dragonairs evolved due to Team Rocket's modus operandi at Lake of Rage in Johto which forced Magikarps there to evolve into Gyarados...
He was investigating it when you encounter him in the game...
Just a theory by many though. haha
Cyrus can be explained in one of two ways. First one obviously being he traded for it, second and more of a stretch is that the Golbat knew how Cyrus saw it, was okay with it, and did it's best to be said tool for Cyrus this building a friendship under the pretense that it wanted to be useful and through enough times bonded enough with Cyrus to evolve