My hope is that there's no time travel in this new saga. What makes this saga special is its emphasis on tragic character flaws amid a realistic plot progression.
Absolutely! The high fantasy elements of the original series served that series well but now seems out of place in the new series. This new movie, kingdom, looks like they are going for a by the numbers, children's adventure movie. Not a fan
I agree. I don't see anything wrong with them progressing the apes evolution to the point they are technologically advanced because thats still grounded and plausible . Monkeys discovering time travel however just doesn't sit right with me haha.
I think the fantasy of the original is just a ploy to make the world happen. Now, it doesn't need that considering the trilogy before kingdom that shows how humanity falls and how apes rise.
I have a theory that the humans that they contacted are actually Mutated humans. So maybe the next movie will show the divide within the normal humans and those who mutated. Rather than humans fighting with apes, itll be the humans and mutant humans. Which can also lead to how in the original Planet of the Apes, humans destroyed eachother. Perhaps Mae's humans dont see the mutated humans as humans anymore. This can also lead to some apes interacting with the mutants and gaining knowledge. Noa definitely showed interest in human creation and the next movie can perhaps show how humans destroyed eachother while apes build a better society without having to harm any other party.
That sounds like a neat idea. It could be a throwback to Beneath the Planet of the Apes even if it's not about radiation but still has the presence of mutants. Maybe Mae's group makes contact with the other and it turns our that they're hostile mutants and so she seeks out Noa for help
I think a mutation as simple as them not being affected by the virus would cause the most conflict. Humans want to take for themselves and the non mutated humans naturally would feel threatened and want to experiment on the mutated. Good plot. Also a good way to set up the future of the apes ending up rearing the Mute humans experimenting on them and such
These films really show us there is good and bad in humanity every time. But Mae wasn’t wrong, Proximus wasn’t wrong, they are both trying to survive. The next film or after will definitely be a war, humanity lives in apes.
@briana8088 Yeah, quite frankly so am I. After such a long and, arguably well thought out, reboot, I think that's what the material wants. Part of the reason I love Kingdom so much is that it does seem partly a throwback to a more optimistic brand of story, mainly through the character of Noa. And as for me personally, the world needs at least a somewhat hopeful and positive story right about now - even as brutal as said story can get at times.
Sure but I think you'd be surprised how different we our frm our own ancestors from 300 years ago. Not just technologically but also how much of a difference you'd find culturally with those in 1724. How much of your personal values and views would you really share with those people? What common frames of reference would you really have?
These writers are so good! That’s a very very compelling idea, how the isolated human groups would be wildly different from each other after 100’s of years in isolation. Could be very interesting and the human groups might even clash, which that would be terribly tragic. Even when it comes to survival of the species humanity may not be able to get along. That’s just an idea! But I like the way this is headed!
I just hope that the human parts of the future films don't end up just being a rehash of Dawn OTPOTA Dawn already did the whole Humans trying to get in contact with other human colonies plot, I wanna see something else happen
How was Mae connected to that human fortress at the end? She obviously had a mission to find the satellite key and bring it to them. Proximus' army found and killed all the other humans from her group, but where were they?
I do think the Planet of the Apes movies should be mainly ape centered. If they bring more humans, they should be compelling enough to be a part of the story like Will, Dreyfus or Malcolm. Mae I'm certainly interested in, flesh her out even more with the next one. I do think there should be a proper War movie because in War PotA I was convinced it was gonna be battle heavy. While I like War, I did wish it to be a human v ape battle movie. The ending in Kingdom I did like, first thoughts that came to mind was it makes sense, its like the 99.9% hand sanitizer where that 0.1% of germs survives. Also thought that the franchise always had a human element to go back and forth. To me the movie was a 7.3/10, mainly because I thought certain characters could've been given more depth or time with interactions, its where that emotional investment comes to play. The music I'm a little mixed, on one hand it's familiarity from the og movies and Caesar trilogy I like, on the other I can't tell it's identity or like a common denominator of music theme to stand itself apart. I still like movie for it to be a part of a new PotA trilogy.
I honestly hope they don’t go the war rout because I’ve already seen that movie, I want to see something new. But maybe the way they execute it will change my mind, which I’m completely open to. I’m so excited for this series and seeing what they do with Noa and Mea!
So far I'm very satisfied with the Kingdom movie. It sets up so much potemtial for future sequels. I'm interested to see how the humans and apes will imteract now that we know there are groups of intelligent humans left. It's the writers, directors, and producers that will choose the next step in the story. Whatever it is I'll sit back and wait. (semi-patiently).
always loved Planet of the apes, agree with your comment hope it stays "ape driven" hope it doesn't suffer from what happened to the new star wars trilogy, different directors different visons contrasting each other, tbh I though there was going to be a nuclear device in that hangar/vault by the way it was referred to as "he cant have it"
Wes doesn’t want to remake the 1968 masterpiece, but rather lead up to it with his trilogy. I'm all in for that. I loved Kingdom, it's my favorite Apes film since the original 5 films.
This trilogy must end with the humans killing eachother with Nuclear weapons. It's the one of the main things of this franchise, the inevitability of humans destroying themselves as said in the 68 film.
@@Ape-Nation I said must in terms of ending with humans being the architects of their own demise. A nuclear war would be the next step after a man made virus.
I’d love to see gorilla soldiers the elder orangutans making politics the pacifist chimps. all the different factions interacting amongs what to do with the humans Move towards the experimenting on em like Dr zira would
I'm sure we're going towards there. Noa's interest in knowledge will sure carry on with the other apes since he showed his friends what he has found. Craving more knowledge of not just Caesar, but humans as well
I’ve actually started thinking this trilogy could lead to an ending with some sort of nuclear war. It would really link even more to what ape society and the planet are like in the 1968 film.
imo we havent seen enough of the humans to make a judgement on them, and what we have saw may be a misrepresentation on how technologically advanced they still are.
What's crazy is that previous generations needed to teach the next generation of people to know the tech side to maintain stuff. Added that there's few people left I thought was fascinating.
Humans surviving and maintaining at least 2 bunkers for 300 years without killing each other or screwing up repairs is the most scifi thing about the entire franchise.
Imagine living your entire life underground, only knowing that the surface is dominated by fucking hairy things that hunt us down. I think that the “Silo Humans” could make for a really interesting sub series where a group of teenagers try to escape their silo and end up on the surface and being hunted down.
The beautiful drama drive will/should be whether and how we can live together. I think Mae's final scene hints at this. Also, the Icarus will come down at some point, so there's that easter egg waiting to hatch!
I wonder if we will ever get a show or movie explaining what happened to Caesars tribe because I find it very weird we dont see his tribe in this film like I know its a big time jump between movie's but I just want to know where his tribe is now.
People accuse that Mae is the real villain. I don't think so; it depends on the perspective you're considering, humans or apes. Literally, Mae could just take a badass assault rifle in the vault and kill every single ape in Proximus's "kingdom" on her way out if she wanted to. Yet, she sticks to the plan of helping Noa free his clan and blowing up the dam to flush down the whole vault for good. Neither humans nor apes should own the weaponry in that vault. One more thing to notice is that she really tried to convince Trevathan at first and felt very terrible when she had to choke him to death, which makes her actions the most humane ever. With a vault like that, she or her people could aim to get a nuke more than just a satellite drive. They really aim to rebuild human civilization rather than repeat human mistakes again. Proximus was obsessed with Roman history; if he got all the weapons he needed, he would soon enslave all other clans and start a genocide of every human left on Earth and any ape clans that didn't bend their knee. This seems no better than humans. In the last scene, Mae's people still have to use biohazard suits and need to disinfect after coming back in, which means humans, after all these years, still cannot have immunity to the virus. But Mae and Trevathan can go outside without needing one, so I think they both have immunity and are not affected like the colonel in WFTPoTA but still are carriers because they have made close contact with other "echoes". So Mae was on a mission that, even if successful, she could never return to her vault again. By the way, can satellites still work on their own without human control for decades without de-orbiting themselves?
I assumed May and the others were just immune since there are always a small percentage for any virus and I think we are in the time from the 5th movie of the original series and hope to see the beginning of the telepathic mutants
I just watched it. It was really good. I absolutely loved the orangutan monk dude, and the set-up of the humans fighting back in future movies. I also wonder about those astronauts in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Will they play a part? Were they going to Mars or something? Maybe they have descendants?
I feel like they should make a series on how the human survived and what their plans are to lead up to the next movie that would be good a show with humans and a show with apes then movie kinda smart idea
The more time passes, the more I can't shake the feeling of disappointment with the creative direction that comes with that ending. I loved the movie, but I kind of...really dislike the direction we seem to be going here. I don't want another humans vs apes movie, we just had that in the past trilogy. The possibilities that the ending opens is not that interesting to me. Not to say I won't be hyped for the next movie, because I think Owen Teague as Noa and how he was portrayed and written in Kingdom was phenomenal. But I was hoping for more Ape vs Ape rather than Ape vs Human again and the themes linked with that. I feel bad feeling disappointed with it too, I shouldn't ofc. But man, I can't help but just feel disappointed with the creative direction the writers are taking this. It should be imo at that point right where it truly is a planet of apes. Still excited for the next movie, no doubt when a teaser trailer drops in two or three years I will go crazy for it. I just, don't kinda care for the humans in this 4th 5th and 6th. I don't think it needs humans much at all in this next movie. But it is what it is.
That was definitely the end game of it, yes, but the overarching theme of that movie was very much Humans vs Apes, how they could try and live in peace, but ultimately failing because of funnily enough, an ape. I loved it. War too. I just... don't want to see it again in this trilogy when we just explored that. It should for me focus on the apes and how it has become their planet. I don't want another movie talking on can apes and humans co exist, I don't think we needed this many smart humans still alive. I would've much rather had Proximus been prominent even more and more dialogue with him, instead of the ending we got. @@WERV2003
So I want the next film to be Conflict for the Planet of the Apes. And have waring factions of apes. And have them all come under one leader at the end of the film
I would love to see a human version of raka in the second movie, a guy who strived for humans and its fellow apes to coexist rather than fight for dominance.
I believe they will continue to find good and bad humans and apes. Eventually the apes and humans will be forced to come together to combat something worse than both of their species.
Kingdom was a good movie. Entertaining and it gripped me what I’m worried about is them not continuing to tell good stories. Because the first trilogy was great, and I do feel the trilogy, should it happen, is off to a good start. I don’t mind if there are more humans. I don’t think there needs to be many. But I think there are some interesting dynamics left to explore between the humans and the apes.
Some of those underground human shelters could have weapon stockpiles. In the Beneath movie, the nuclear bomb was left over from usa military base. What would happen to all those nuclear warhead silos? The bunkers of humans, some of them could be like Apple's Silo or Fallout. Maybe one of the Silos, humans evolve and mutate to get mental powers. With them wearing gas masks all the time, the gas mask is their normal face, bit they reveal their inward face to their god. The reboot era could make those humans and the culture more realistic. Side note: in 12 monkeys, humans lived underground. Some idea like that could work to. Time travel with some apes.
I want the apes and the humans from the planet of the apes in the 1968 movie were before that spaceship land what they were doing before that movie started Their lives before Taylor showed up were doing that made that happen what led to it with them
I WANT RAKA BACK!!! I really hate the idea of him dying period, but if they're going to kill him off, they should at least wait until much later on after we've gotten more on him. And have him taken out while nobly fighting an enemy, not washed down a damn river.
Watched it today (Ik, I’m late) and felt a bit “meh” at the ending with the humans in the building. I feel the next film is going to go in one direction, and that’s a cross between Dawn and War. 1 - Noahs group will come into contact with them, decide to leave them alone but the humans get scared and attack, leading the third film to be war again. Or 2 - the humans will contact others, they’ll meet and a war will happen. Nothing is wrong with either of those, my issues is if it happens then it’s far too soon, would prefer it to be later. There’s 9 film this time round right, if I’m not mistaken? If so, then this ending and it’s consequences should be the 6th or 7th. I’m kinda hoping the next is about the group(s) all becoming more civilised and all given roles like the OG movies from the 60s, but only in the early stages, kinda like how Maurice was teaching the kids in Dawn, just complete basic learning about Caesar and the world.
They don't seem like it but I wonder if some aspects of the mutants from Beneath will be in those bunker humans. I think we'll get into the same stuff from Dawn, good and bad on both sides with the bad causing war or near war. Don't mind equal human characters as long as they are well done. But yes, we watch for the apes mostly.
I'd like to see different ape clans. We haven't seen any gorilla clan. I want to see ape evolution or growth mirror human development such as domestication of animals and use of dogs or wolves.
Honestly, I think they need to lean more into the human side, if they want the humans to be a credible threat and opponents for the apes. I loved the reveal about the humans in the end, and I am so curious about them, especially as they will most likely be a threat of sorts. What I wonder about is, why humans lingered in the climate zones where Apes can thrive and did not migrate to zones where Apes would have more problems. Colder regions and so forth. Overall I think they need to build up these humans, if they are to be serious contenders or serious danger. I'd love to see a twist somewhere and Noah realising that Proximus was right, that they need to study the human secrets and that Noah harmed his people by allowing the contents of the vault being destroyed.
I didn't know your channel existed. Very Cool! On the subject: I would rather have seen May's group be less tech-ish and maybe living more like a in a medieval-style town, or an old west town at this point. The tech just makes it too close to our own reality -- kinda boring. The further the series gets away from tech, the better that moment will be when an astronaut arrives -- IF that is going to happen.
I disagree that the APES alone are the big strength of the series. I think the strength of the series is that both Apes and humans exist in this world, and the fact that they are at odds with each other, and the tensions and dynamics between the 2 species, and the story-lines that result from those things, and the differences between humans and ape culture/society . In the original movie the audiences were not team Ape. They were team Taylor (Charlton Heston). Then over the course of the franchise it turned more towards Team Ape. It is important that Humans remain a substantial part of this franchise (Imo). If humans disappear from this franchise and it just becomes all about Apes who act like humans, then it basically becomes a story about watching humans wearing Ape costumes.
I’m excited to see where they go with this story and the surviving humans. I just hope they don’t introduce the astronauts yet. I like the teases and ultimately want to see that remake of the original, but they should wait for humans to be completely mute. The astronaut story would lose an element of suspense with talking humans being able to explain everything
Could sunna be blue eyes lake descendants because she resembles lake and Will we find out that noa distant direct descendants from Caesar in future sequels because he lookalike Caesar and they both have same eyes and birthmark?
I admit, I thoroughly enjoyed Kingdom. But I thought it lacked some "bite" from a writing and story perspective. My main hope is that the next movie isn't also so safe.
I hope we don't get another human/ape conflict or war, because we already had that. The main event of humanities destruction has already taken place, and now is the slow two thousand year progression toward the original 1968 Film timeline. If another conflict occurs, to me it feels like it makes what has already happened redundant.
So, I made a similar comment to this on one of your other videos, and I think the timeline for it has been expedited to this trilogy instead of the next one. I think this trilogy needs to go full send on the Star Wars and religious vibes first off. In the next movie I think it would be great to see a city of human and apes living side by side, having figured out how to coexist and trying to spread their message to the world by reaching out to clans like Noas. This could also be an origin for Proximus (have him having been a part of this sect and living with humans when he was younger before becoming an extremist and wanting to create a kingdom for himself) and the Order of Caesar by having the Order include humans and apes alike who revere Caesar in the same vein as Jesus, Mohammed or Moses. The leader of this sect should be a human that can play off of Noa as almost a co-protagonist, kind of a Ragnar Lothbrok to Athelstan sort of dynamic for an example to anyone who’s watched the series Vikings. You can have this story slowly building this idea of apes and humans living together, only for it to be torn away in the end when Mae’s and the other sects of humans attack, wanting to wipe out apes and their allies in a dark echo of the Colonel from Wars philosophy. That battle could be something unlike anything Apes has ever done before, interlace gunfire with hand to hand combat, apes fighting in classical military formations, ships burning by some reinvention of Greek fire, the possibilities are endless! It’s been 300 years, even if humans have survived it’s unlikely all of our technology has or that they would be using guns to the same level we are, so you can really play with a ton of different weapon types, all kinds of different combat methods, and have it end with Mae betraying her sect of humans and Noa taking the lead of this human-ape alliance for the end of this trilogy. Just my thoughts on how it should go, anyone and everyone feel free to comment on this and let me know what you think!
In the big picture humans are gonna be defeated real hard. Since they are heading towards the OG movie plot. They have to show apes evolving into technology. But regular discovery of tech would be boring to show. So apes will speedrun and learn about tech to defeat humans. And wipe them outta existence for once and all. So in this way the 1st trio is stone age. 2nd medivial. 3rd Cili vised and the retelling of the OG or else Cornelius' triology.
I think if they’re gonna have humans still around then we need to see the forbidden zone turn from a paradise to a wasteland because of them in my opinion
I'm surprised so many humans buildings are still standing. Watch the documentaries, Life Without People to know how long our buildings last Without maintenance
Not sure why some people have been saying this tbh, the box office has been fairly solid so far with decent legs, especially in today's theatrical climate, and it's nearly doubled its budget already.
@@Ape-Nation Yeah I've been reading some better reports lately. Apparently its doing well overseas. Hopefully it makes enough that another one is greenlit.
I am tired of seeing apes against humans. The previous three films were just about that conflict, and I felt that an apes film with the word “Kingdom” in it would have been devoid of “intelligent” humans. To be honest, I would’ve been fine with everything but the little radio call at the end was preposterous. I absolutely hated how within a matter of seconds from pressing the transmit button someone in Fort Wayne, Indiana was ready on the draw to answer. That was really stupid and should’ve been left out. It would’ve been better to see the display on the radio search for signals, and perhaps indicate that it was receiving something but not tell us where and what it was. Something to lead us into the sequel, perhaps?
The question I ask myself is, how did apes improve their english speech skills in a world where there were no speaking humans interacting with them. In theory if they had no reference english to absorb they would have developed their own language and not progressed in their english. Would not make for a very understandable movie experince though.
@@Ape-Nation yes, but the apes human speech/vocabulary has improved/grown since the previous movies. Noah speaks better than Caesar. I can accept that their intelligence is improving, but without anyone to learn it from their English would not have improved and it would have developed into a sort of pidgen English with a mixed vocabulary between the limited English they learned initially until intelligent humans dissappeared and the new words they developed later to fill the gaps.
The apes outside of Caesar's tribe gained intelligence from the infected humans. And the humans didn't lose their speech overnight. There were enough left that apes in zoos were able to learn how to speak.
Maybe one group of humans was trying to develop a cure which lead to the development of genetically enhanced humans like a Captain America sort of deal.
I’m hoping for a more thoughtful and nuanced version of humanity instead of some kind of mutant version of humanity as in Beneath and Battle. Watching apes and humans have another war isn’t interesting to me.
What’s if they gave mutated humans mind powers like in beneath . That would be interesting. The virus would mutated giving them not less intelligence but the opposite 😆
Oh yeah, this new 3 film to a great rebooted franchise is definitely an origin on how humans become the mutants. Just perhaps maybe a little different from the evolution of Caesar and the apes.
Human culture couldn't have changed that much in 300 years. Even with a apocalypse people would not have made any real strides. If anything they would have gotten worse. Not a fan of a possible rebirth for humanity
To be honest, though i've been warming up to it, I absolutely hated that ending with the humans at first watch. It felt so forced and all i could think about is how they didn't choose the better explanation for them having intelligence (that being them being astronauts) and that I worry for the future of these movies being too human focused. I think they (including many other franchises) need to learn that we don't go to these movies for the human characters, and while humans are an integral part of this franchise, id love to see what they could do with just primitive humans, no astronauts or intelligent humans at all.
Say what y'all want but this was TOO much monkey. The people parts in first three were boring and too much but taking them out completely made it hard to watch at some points. Also hard to hear and understand conversation in the theater. Not to mention bringing anyone new into the franchise on this movie is fucking rough lol brought my lil bros and gf who all never seen a movie and no one really enjoyed it nearly as much as they should because it takes needing to see the first three to really be okay and understand the monkeys.
My mom had never seen a Planet of the Apes movie before this one and had no problem with "too much monkey" or understanding what they were saying at all 🤷♂️
This film had great effects, the Apes looked convincing, their world it all looked great but that’s where things ended. Absolute Trash Story, Apes raising Eagles? WTF ? Then some stupid rescue of Nova, then wait some stupid McMuffin apes can’t get into a military complex then Nova becomes a MarySue character and leads a few good apes through a vent then this stupid senseless battle and that’s it. I kept drifting to sleep throughout it was such a boring movie. All the characters were flat, the direction and dialogue were flat there were no stakes? A really pointless movie. A total waste of time compared to the 60’s 70’s originals
Man what a movie, and cliffhanger, and so even more potential. It’s kinda hard to reconcile what Mae did, but I guess I can’t put blame with her POV. Dinosaurs were dominant but there aren’t many people wanting to give them another chance. Well, I worry humans will redo the same mistakes. I’d rather neither humans or apes or anyone be dominant if they are gonna be tyrants. Or maybe coexistence is possible. Maybe most apes and most humans will unite against a bigger intergalactic threat. What a rabbit hole I found myself in
We eat dinosaurs in an industrial sale (chicken), I can get why apes will not let humanity gain back its dominance. Though, I hope humans would not get ragdolled very easily each movie.
I feel we are heading for a battle for the planet of the apes type ending to this trilogy. The trilogy 6-9 should make for great viewing. I hope it takes much further into the future
I’m interested in seeing how human culture has changed in the past 300 years, there’s a lot of potential there. I’m curious what direction they’ll go with pockets of human groups potentially coming together and what that’ll look like. It’s very interesting to me but like you Josh I do think this trilogy should mostly be ape focused. I have faith in the story group and I can’t wait
Raka will return to make a lead for the story ahead hopefully. Otherwise, it will be very easy for the new series to repeat itself along the storyline of its first 3 movies. If so, then the fans may lose their interest to continue supporting the new development of story ahead.
Making a mostly ape movie drives the budget up and most studios dont like that. So unless this movie out does all the others in the last trilogy at the box office, it wont happen. Not sure how else the humans can evolve in 300years but I guess we'll see.
@@Ape-Nation Id love to see one completely without humans for once. It seems that every movie boils down to one group trying to figure out how to or if to trust the other group. Would rather just see the apes
Those were my thoughts as well, if they do that it could drive the budget up though idk by how much. It would need to make more at the box office, since the Ape franchise isn't exactly Star Wars or Super hero level of audiences flocking to get tickets, there's a need for balance.
@@juangal7569 I see (in comments) way more people that didn't like this movie, than ones that did. I thought it was ok, but not enough to go see it again. I'm pretty sure it is going to fizzle out at the box office after this coming weekend. They may greenlight another one, but I bet they do it with a smaller budget, if they do. Which is crazy. If you do the research, the Planet Of The Apes is the only film series where the studio lowered the budget, from the previous film, on each movie, except of course the very first one. What we need to see is something we haven't seen before. Chimps are not docile animals. Need to see some super smart chimps, "hunting" humans. Forming plans, strategizing, setting traps, etc etc Almost equivalent to a jungle tribe of indigenous people attacking a small town or city. THAT would be something to watch. THAT would be something that wasn't in any of the previous movies.
I think you may have only read a few comments, because the vast majority of comments I've seen on my channel have been either people liking or loving it.
I'm surprised that reviewers haven't mentioned that the human bunker Mae went to at the end was predominantly female. I only saw the film once. If it's true, it has to be intentional.
@@Ape-Nation Filmmakers are specific with every shot composition. It's good visual storytelling. Maybe, they're implying that after 300 years, women had better resistance towards the virus better than men?
I really liked and enjoyed the human part of the story with Kingdom. I thought it was similar enough to the original movie with having many humans being unable to communicate and unintelligent therefore they were dominated by the apes who chose to exploit their superiority and then the twist to having uneffected(by the virus) humans who were pursuing technological means yet staying hidden for now was very interesting. Where they go with this isn’t concerning to me as I trust they’ll be creative enough to not duplicate what’s already been done. The one thing I keep thinking would be creative would be humans begin to interact with apes and showing how we’ve made so many mistakes in the course of human evolution which we see familiarity with the apes and having humans warning apes that the same will happen if they don’t slow down. Where this goes is obviously the more exciting part of a new story. They ought to add in the element of the astronauts who were missing in the Rise movie. That would add a solid twist but now seems that everyone expects it.
My hope is that there's no time travel in this new saga. What makes this saga special is its emphasis on tragic character flaws amid a realistic plot progression.
Absolutely! The high fantasy elements of the original series served that series well but now seems out of place in the new series. This new movie, kingdom, looks like they are going for a by the numbers, children's adventure movie. Not a fan
I agree. I don't see anything wrong with them progressing the apes evolution to the point they are technologically advanced because thats still grounded and plausible . Monkeys discovering time travel however just doesn't sit right with me haha.
I think the fantasy of the original is just a ploy to make the world happen. Now, it doesn't need that considering the trilogy before kingdom that shows how humanity falls and how apes rise.
Kingdom Of The Planet of The Apes was absolutely fantastic.
It was amazing
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The ending scene shocked me, made my jaw drop a bit.
My biggest fear is the sequels will be human heavy like too human heavy
I trust the creative team, but same. Fingers crossed it doesn't go that way.
@Ape-Nation based on what they're saying I think they're leaning towards the opposite of what the last trilogy was mostly Humans over Apes
I made a comment on here about what I think a human heavy movie could be. Perhaps introducing mutants to humans and apes
I wouldn't mind if they did the humans like in Dawn tho
It would be fascinating how 300 years of isolation and reproduction have affected humans from ape-less places like Antartica or isolated islands.
I have a theory that the humans that they contacted are actually Mutated humans. So maybe the next movie will show the divide within the normal humans and those who mutated. Rather than humans fighting with apes, itll be the humans and mutant humans. Which can also lead to how in the original Planet of the Apes, humans destroyed eachother. Perhaps Mae's humans dont see the mutated humans as humans anymore.
This can also lead to some apes interacting with the mutants and gaining knowledge. Noa definitely showed interest in human creation and the next movie can perhaps show how humans destroyed eachother while apes build a better society without having to harm any other party.
That sounds like a neat idea. It could be a throwback to Beneath the Planet of the Apes even if it's not about radiation but still has the presence of mutants. Maybe Mae's group makes contact with the other and it turns our that they're hostile mutants and so she seeks out Noa for help
Oh so instead of the mutants with telekinesis and illusions they just super smart?
I think a mutation as simple as them not being affected by the virus would cause the most conflict. Humans want to take for themselves and the non mutated humans naturally would feel threatened and want to experiment on the mutated. Good plot. Also a good way to set up the future of the apes ending up rearing the Mute humans experimenting on them and such
@@alfsterj4203 I would definitely watch that movie. I hope this happens
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These films really show us there is good and bad in humanity every time. But Mae wasn’t wrong, Proximus wasn’t wrong, they are both trying to survive. The next film or after will definitely be a war, humanity lives in apes.
Agreed.
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I'm rooting for the humans and the apes to coexist.
@briana8088 Yeah, quite frankly so am I. After such a long and, arguably well thought out, reboot, I think that's what the material wants. Part of the reason I love Kingdom so much is that it does seem partly a throwback to a more optimistic brand of story, mainly through the character of Noa. And as for me personally, the world needs at least a somewhat hopeful and positive story right about now - even as brutal as said story can get at times.
I think people don't realize how short 300 years are in the grand scheme of things
Sure but I think you'd be surprised how different we our frm our own ancestors from 300 years ago. Not just technologically but also how much of a difference you'd find culturally with those in 1724. How much of your personal values and views would you really share with those people? What common frames of reference would you really have?
These writers are so good! That’s a very very compelling idea, how the isolated human groups would be wildly different from each other after 100’s of years in isolation. Could be very interesting and the human groups might even clash, which that would be terribly tragic. Even when it comes to survival of the species humanity may not be able to get along. That’s just an idea! But I like the way this is headed!
I just hope that the human parts of the future films don't end up just being a rehash of Dawn OTPOTA
Dawn already did the whole Humans trying to get in contact with other human colonies plot, I wanna see something else happen
How was Mae connected to that human fortress at the end? She obviously had a mission to find the satellite key and bring it to them. Proximus' army found and killed all the other humans from her group, but where were they?
Resistance of the Planet of the Apes would go so hard
Ohhh I like that one!
I do think the Planet of the Apes movies should be mainly ape centered. If they bring more humans, they should be compelling enough to be a part of the story like Will, Dreyfus or Malcolm. Mae I'm certainly interested in, flesh her out even more with the next one. I do think there should be a proper War movie because in War PotA I was convinced it was gonna be battle heavy. While I like War, I did wish it to be a human v ape battle movie.
The ending in Kingdom I did like, first thoughts that came to mind was it makes sense, its like the 99.9% hand sanitizer where that 0.1% of germs survives. Also thought that the franchise always had a human element to go back and forth.
To me the movie was a 7.3/10, mainly because I thought certain characters could've been given more depth or time with interactions, its where that emotional investment comes to play. The music I'm a little mixed, on one hand it's familiarity from the og movies and Caesar trilogy I like, on the other I can't tell it's identity or like a common denominator of music theme to stand itself apart. I still like movie for it to be a part of a new PotA trilogy.
Im most excited about Noa mastering the ability to read.
I honestly hope they don’t go the war rout because I’ve already seen that movie, I want to see something new. But maybe the way they execute it will change my mind, which I’m completely open to. I’m so excited for this series and seeing what they do with Noa and Mea!
So far I'm very satisfied with the Kingdom movie. It sets up so much potemtial for future sequels. I'm interested to see how the humans and apes will imteract now that we know there are groups of intelligent humans left. It's the writers, directors, and producers that will choose the next step in the story. Whatever it is I'll sit back and wait. (semi-patiently).
always loved Planet of the apes, agree with your comment hope it stays "ape driven" hope it doesn't suffer from what happened to the new star wars trilogy, different directors different visons contrasting each other, tbh I though there was going to be a nuclear device in that hangar/vault by the way it was referred to as "he cant have it"
Wes doesn’t want to remake the 1968 masterpiece, but rather lead up to it with his trilogy. I'm all in for that. I loved Kingdom, it's my favorite Apes film since the original 5 films.
I’d love for space and time travel to be involved, because those are staples of the franchise this reboot series hasn’t done yet.
….remember at the end of Rise; The Icarus was lost in space..
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 Yep. That HAS to be some kind of Chekov's Gun.
@@gamestation2690 ….gotta be important, because Icarus was name of the ship in the OG movie & Rise..
This trilogy must end with the humans killing eachother with Nuclear weapons. It's the one of the main things of this franchise, the inevitability of humans destroying themselves as said in the 68 film.
Idk about "must", but it definitely feels like the right direction to end this trilogy
@@Ape-Nation I said must in terms of ending with humans being the architects of their own demise. A nuclear war would be the next step after a man made virus.
I’d love to see gorilla soldiers the elder orangutans making politics the pacifist chimps.
all the different factions interacting amongs what to do with the humans
Move towards the experimenting on em like Dr zira would
I'm sure we're going towards there. Noa's interest in knowledge will sure carry on with the other apes since he showed his friends what he has found. Craving more knowledge of not just Caesar, but humans as well
I would like to throw my hat in the ring for the title of the next installment: Origins Of The Planet - Apes and Humans! BOOM
I’ve actually started thinking this trilogy could lead to an ending with some sort of nuclear war. It would really link even more to what ape society and the planet are like in the 1968 film.
imo we havent seen enough of the humans to make a judgement on them, and what we have saw may be a misrepresentation on how technologically advanced they still are.
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What's crazy is that previous generations needed to teach the next generation of people to know the tech side to maintain stuff. Added that there's few people left I thought was fascinating.
Humans surviving and maintaining at least 2 bunkers for 300 years without killing each other or screwing up repairs is the most scifi thing about the entire franchise.
Im confident in the fact that the creative team knows that what makes these movies great is the ape protagonists so im not too worried.
….people seem to forget that at The end of Rise; The Icarus was lost in space..
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 that's a story you can tell from an apes' POV lmao
@@WaTsNoTgUdD ….true, I merely pointed that out, because seems no one talks about the lost spaceship anymore..
I’m a simple man. I see video about planet of the apes, I click.
Imagine living your entire life underground, only knowing that the surface is dominated by fucking hairy things that hunt us down.
I think that the “Silo Humans” could make for a really interesting sub series where a group of teenagers try to escape their silo and end up on the surface and being hunted down.
And then end up having to rely on apes to survive.
Can’t wait to be watching these movies into my 40’s ( I was 8 when rise came out )
The beautiful drama drive will/should be whether and how we can live together. I think Mae's final scene hints at this. Also, the Icarus will come down at some point, so there's that easter egg waiting to hatch!
I liked the fact intelligent humans are still around opens up the new trilogy Only thing i say it should have based 100 years after. Not 300
I wonder if we will ever get a show or movie explaining what happened to Caesars tribe because I find it very weird we dont see his tribe in this film like I know its a big time jump between movie's but I just want to know where his tribe is now.
People accuse that Mae is the real villain. I don't think so; it depends on the perspective you're considering, humans or apes. Literally, Mae could just take a badass assault rifle in the vault and kill every single ape in Proximus's "kingdom" on her way out if she wanted to. Yet, she sticks to the plan of helping Noa free his clan and blowing up the dam to flush down the whole vault for good. Neither humans nor apes should own the weaponry in that vault. One more thing to notice is that she really tried to convince Trevathan at first and felt very terrible when she had to choke him to death, which makes her actions the most humane ever. With a vault like that, she or her people could aim to get a nuke more than just a satellite drive. They really aim to rebuild human civilization rather than repeat human mistakes again. Proximus was obsessed with Roman history; if he got all the weapons he needed, he would soon enslave all other clans and start a genocide of every human left on Earth and any ape clans that didn't bend their knee. This seems no better than humans. In the last scene, Mae's people still have to use biohazard suits and need to disinfect after coming back in, which means humans, after all these years, still cannot have immunity to the virus. But Mae and Trevathan can go outside without needing one, so I think they both have immunity and are not affected like the colonel in WFTPoTA but still are carriers because they have made close contact with other "echoes". So Mae was on a mission that, even if successful, she could never return to her vault again. By the way, can satellites still work on their own without human control for decades without de-orbiting themselves?
Just think mae will be the main villain, but she is forced into that role. Like colonel, it's us over them.
I assumed May and the others were just immune since there are always a small percentage for any virus and I think we are in the time from the 5th movie of the original series and hope to see the beginning of the telepathic mutants
If it's not inside the San Diego fortress, I'm thinking at least one pocket of humans probably has the doomsday bomb.
I think it could be a spit between Noa and Mae. She’s a cool character so I’d like to see more of her.
I just watched it. It was really good. I absolutely loved the orangutan monk dude, and the set-up of the humans fighting back in future movies. I also wonder about those astronauts in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Will they play a part? Were they going to Mars or something? Maybe they have descendants?
I feel like they should make a series on how the human survived and what their plans are to lead up to the next movie that would be good a show with humans and a show with apes then movie kinda smart idea
The more time passes, the more I can't shake the feeling of disappointment with the creative direction that comes with that ending.
I loved the movie, but I kind of...really dislike the direction we seem to be going here. I don't want another humans vs apes movie, we just had that in the past trilogy.
The possibilities that the ending opens is not that interesting to me.
Not to say I won't be hyped for the next movie, because I think Owen Teague as Noa and how he was portrayed and written in Kingdom was phenomenal.
But I was hoping for more Ape vs Ape rather than Ape vs Human again and the themes linked with that.
I feel bad feeling disappointed with it too, I shouldn't ofc. But man, I can't help but just feel disappointed with the creative direction the writers are taking this.
It should be imo at that point right where it truly is a planet of apes.
Still excited for the next movie, no doubt when a teaser trailer drops in two or three years I will go crazy for it.
I just, don't kinda care for the humans in this 4th 5th and 6th. I don't think it needs humans much at all in this next movie. But it is what it is.
Wasn't DOTPOTA focus about Ape Vs. Ape?
That was definitely the end game of it, yes, but the overarching theme of that movie was very much Humans vs Apes, how they could try and live in peace, but ultimately failing because of funnily enough, an ape. I loved it. War too. I just... don't want to see it again in this trilogy when we just explored that.
It should for me focus on the apes and how it has become their planet.
I don't want another movie talking on can apes and humans co exist, I don't think we needed this many smart humans still alive. I would've much rather had Proximus been prominent even more and more dialogue with him, instead of the ending we got. @@WERV2003
So I want the next film to be Conflict for the Planet of the Apes. And have waring factions of apes. And have them all come under one leader at the end of the film
"Aliens!" (Dr. Calico in 'BOLT', 2008)
A Predator ship arrives with its cargo of xenomorph eggs 👍
Remember mae also mentions the government went underground
I'm thinking we may learn more about what happened there in the next movie
I would love to see a human version of raka in the second movie, a guy who strived for humans and its fellow apes to coexist rather than fight for dominance.
I believe they will continue to find good and bad humans and apes. Eventually the apes and humans will be forced to come together to combat something worse than both of their species.
Kingdom was a good movie. Entertaining and it gripped me what I’m worried about is them not continuing to tell good stories. Because the first trilogy was great, and I do feel the trilogy, should it happen, is off to a good start. I don’t mind if there are more humans. I don’t think there needs to be many. But I think there are some interesting dynamics left to explore between the humans and the apes.
Some of those underground human shelters could have weapon stockpiles.
In the Beneath movie, the nuclear bomb was left over from usa military base.
What would happen to all those nuclear warhead silos?
The bunkers of humans, some of them could be like Apple's Silo or Fallout.
Maybe one of the Silos, humans evolve and mutate to get mental powers. With them wearing gas masks all the time, the gas mask is their normal face, bit they reveal their inward face to their god.
The reboot era could make those humans and the culture more realistic.
Side note: in 12 monkeys, humans lived underground. Some idea like that could work to. Time travel with some apes.
I want the apes and the humans from the planet of the apes in the 1968 movie were before that spaceship land what they were doing before that movie started
Their lives before Taylor showed up were doing that made that happen what led to it with them
Humans are major part of.the movie ... needs to be a balance .. Ape and the humans story line
rocket, black hole, satellite. some theories I seen
I WANT RAKA BACK!!! I really hate the idea of him dying period, but if they're going to kill him off, they should at least wait until much later on after we've gotten more on him. And have him taken out while nobly fighting an enemy, not washed down a damn river.
He's definitely coming back
Watched it today (Ik, I’m late) and felt a bit “meh” at the ending with the humans in the building.
I feel the next film is going to go in one direction, and that’s a cross between Dawn and War.
1 - Noahs group will come into contact with them, decide to leave them alone but the humans get scared and attack, leading the third film to be war again.
Or
2 - the humans will contact others, they’ll meet and a war will happen.
Nothing is wrong with either of those, my issues is if it happens then it’s far too soon, would prefer it to be later.
There’s 9 film this time round right, if I’m not mistaken? If so, then this ending and it’s consequences should be the 6th or 7th.
I’m kinda hoping the next is about the group(s) all becoming more civilised and all given roles like the OG movies from the 60s, but only in the early stages, kinda like how Maurice was teaching the kids in Dawn, just complete basic learning about Caesar and the world.
They don't seem like it but I wonder if some aspects of the mutants from Beneath will be in those bunker humans. I think we'll get into the same stuff from Dawn, good and bad on both sides with the bad causing war or near war. Don't mind equal human characters as long as they are well done. But yes, we watch for the apes mostly.
I'd like to see different ape clans. We haven't seen any gorilla clan. I want to see ape evolution or growth mirror human development such as domestication of animals and use of dogs or wolves.
Honestly, I think they need to lean more into the human side, if they want the humans to be a credible threat and opponents for the apes. I loved the reveal about the humans in the end, and I am so curious about them, especially as they will most likely be a threat of sorts. What I wonder about is, why humans lingered in the climate zones where Apes can thrive and did not migrate to zones where Apes would have more problems. Colder regions and so forth. Overall I think they need to build up these humans, if they are to be serious contenders or serious danger. I'd love to see a twist somewhere and Noah realising that Proximus was right, that they need to study the human secrets and that Noah harmed his people by allowing the contents of the vault being destroyed.
I didn't know your channel existed. Very Cool! On the subject: I would rather have seen May's group be less tech-ish and maybe living more like a in a medieval-style town, or an old west town at this point. The tech just makes it too close to our own reality -- kinda boring. The further the series gets away from tech, the better that moment will be when an astronaut arrives -- IF that is going to happen.
I disagree that the APES alone are the big strength of the series. I think the strength of the series is that both Apes and humans exist in this world, and the fact that they are at odds with each other, and the tensions and dynamics between the 2 species, and the story-lines that result from those things, and the differences between humans and ape culture/society
. In the original movie the audiences were not team Ape. They were team Taylor (Charlton Heston).
Then over the course of the franchise it turned more towards Team Ape.
It is important that Humans remain a substantial part of this franchise (Imo). If humans disappear from this franchise and it just becomes all about Apes who act like humans, then it basically becomes a story about watching humans wearing Ape costumes.
Fair points!
I’m excited to see where they go with this story and the surviving humans. I just hope they don’t introduce the astronauts yet. I like the teases and ultimately want to see that remake of the original, but they should wait for humans to be completely mute. The astronaut story would lose an element of suspense with talking humans being able to explain everything
Wonder if the end of the new trilogy will end like battle, with the apes and humans finally achieving peace.
We'll see!
Fingers crossed. I really don't want the new movies to end up where the original movie takes place.
Should we expect a time jump for the sequel like they did for Rise/Dawn?
Most probably no
…..we still haven’t seen The Icarus, which was lost in space(Rise)
For sure, I'm thinking 3-5 years at least. Then another jump for movie 6
Are we headed to war of the planet of the apes part 2 lol.
I'm sure there will be some similarities, but the execution and outcome will likely be much different
Could sunna be blue eyes lake descendants because she resembles lake and Will we find out that noa distant direct descendants from Caesar in future sequels because he lookalike Caesar and they both have same eyes and birthmark?
I admit, I thoroughly enjoyed Kingdom. But I thought it lacked some "bite" from a writing and story perspective. My main hope is that the next movie isn't also so safe.
I hope we don't get another human/ape conflict or war, because we already had that. The main event of humanities destruction has already taken place, and now is the slow two thousand year progression toward the original 1968 Film timeline. If another conflict occurs, to me it feels like it makes what has already happened redundant.
I hear ya, it all comes down to the approach and execution for me.
I wonder when the sequal will come out
My guess is 2027
So, I made a similar comment to this on one of your other videos, and I think the timeline for it has been expedited to this trilogy instead of the next one. I think this trilogy needs to go full send on the Star Wars and religious vibes first off. In the next movie I think it would be great to see a city of human and apes living side by side, having figured out how to coexist and trying to spread their message to the world by reaching out to clans like Noas. This could also be an origin for Proximus (have him having been a part of this sect and living with humans when he was younger before becoming an extremist and wanting to create a kingdom for himself) and the Order of Caesar by having the Order include humans and apes alike who revere Caesar in the same vein as Jesus, Mohammed or Moses. The leader of this sect should be a human that can play off of Noa as almost a co-protagonist, kind of a Ragnar Lothbrok to Athelstan sort of dynamic for an example to anyone who’s watched the series Vikings. You can have this story slowly building this idea of apes and humans living together, only for it to be torn away in the end when Mae’s and the other sects of humans attack, wanting to wipe out apes and their allies in a dark echo of the Colonel from Wars philosophy. That battle could be something unlike anything Apes has ever done before, interlace gunfire with hand to hand combat, apes fighting in classical military formations, ships burning by some reinvention of Greek fire, the possibilities are endless! It’s been 300 years, even if humans have survived it’s unlikely all of our technology has or that they would be using guns to the same level we are, so you can really play with a ton of different weapon types, all kinds of different combat methods, and have it end with Mae betraying her sect of humans and Noa taking the lead of this human-ape alliance for the end of this trilogy. Just my thoughts on how it should go, anyone and everyone feel free to comment on this and let me know what you think!
In the big picture humans are gonna be defeated real hard. Since they are heading towards the OG movie plot. They have to show apes evolving into technology. But regular discovery of tech would be boring to show. So apes will speedrun and learn about tech to defeat humans. And wipe them outta existence for once and all. So in this way the 1st trio is stone age. 2nd medivial. 3rd Cili vised and the retelling of the OG or else Cornelius' triology.
I think if they’re gonna have humans still around then we need to see the forbidden zone turn from a paradise to a wasteland because of them in my opinion
I like Kingdom. Yes . But the end feels like a rehash of Dawn.
I'm surprised so many humans buildings are still standing.
Watch the documentaries, Life Without People to know how long our buildings last Without maintenance
I really enjoyed the movie myself but I keep hearing the box office isn't that strong. Not sure we'll get another one.
Not sure why some people have been saying this tbh, the box office has been fairly solid so far with decent legs, especially in today's theatrical climate, and it's nearly doubled its budget already.
@@Ape-Nation Yeah I've been reading some better reports lately. Apparently its doing well overseas. Hopefully it makes enough that another one is greenlit.
Five more movies to go
I am tired of seeing apes against humans. The previous three films were just about that conflict, and I felt that an apes film with the word “Kingdom” in it would have been devoid of “intelligent” humans. To be honest, I would’ve been fine with everything but the little radio call at the end was preposterous. I absolutely hated how within a matter of seconds from pressing the transmit button someone in Fort Wayne, Indiana was ready on the draw to answer. That was really stupid and should’ve been left out. It would’ve been better to see the display on the radio search for signals, and perhaps indicate that it was receiving something but not tell us where and what it was. Something to lead us into the sequel, perhaps?
hey @apenation , what do you think about people predicting the flood theme about the vault , by noas name , noa yk like flood like ancient myth
Are you gonna buy any Blu-ray or DVD for this movie. If yes then do a short unboxing video.
Yep! I will be doing an unboxing and review whenever it comes out.
Please bring back the telepathic mutants!
I just hope the next movie can release in 2028 for the 60th anniversary
Probably gonna be 2027, a 4 year wait could hurt audience interest/box office.
I don’t want too much humans at least not yet still way too early. If it’s a little more that’s fine but even 70/30 is too much I think .
The question I ask myself is, how did apes improve their english speech skills in a world where there were no speaking humans interacting with them. In theory if they had no reference english to absorb they would have developed their own language and not progressed in their english. Would not make for a very understandable movie experince though.
I just assumed it was passed down over the last several decades from the apes from Caesar's time.
@@Ape-Nation yes, but the apes human speech/vocabulary has improved/grown since the previous movies. Noah speaks better than Caesar. I can accept that their intelligence is improving, but without anyone to learn it from their English would not have improved and it would have developed into a sort of pidgen English with a mixed vocabulary between the limited English they learned initially until intelligent humans dissappeared and the new words they developed later to fill the gaps.
The apes outside of Caesar's tribe gained intelligence from the infected humans. And the humans didn't lose their speech overnight. There were enough left that apes in zoos were able to learn how to speak.
My bet, they will nuke their world to bits at the end of this trilogy. Just four words for you: Mutants, Mendez, Alpha Omega
Maybe one group of humans was trying to develop a cure which lead to the development of genetically enhanced humans like a Captain America sort of deal.
Could be!
I’m hoping for a more thoughtful and nuanced version of humanity instead of some kind of mutant version of humanity as in Beneath and Battle.
Watching apes and humans have another war isn’t interesting to me.
I think Mae is actually a mutant.
What’s if they gave mutated humans mind powers like in beneath . That would be interesting. The virus would mutated giving them not less intelligence but the opposite 😆
the humans are definitely going to be mutants
I'm not 100% convinced yet but it wouldn't shock me.
@@Ape-Nationi’m excited for whatever they got
Oh yeah, this new 3 film to a great rebooted franchise is definitely an origin on how humans become the mutants. Just perhaps maybe a little different from the evolution of Caesar and the apes.
@@deepsoul7418 i wouldn’t be surprised if they just remake the 3 og films from the ape’s perspective
For the next movie, I'd like to see Jason Momoa as either a very mean chimp, or a very friendly gorilla. He'd be perfectly cast either way.
I will never be upset about Momoa being cast in anything!
Has there ever been a female gorilla in the POTA universe?
@@dylancooper3690 none that I've seen.
Human culture couldn't have changed that much in 300 years. Even with a apocalypse people would not have made any real strides. If anything they would have gotten worse. Not a fan of a possible rebirth for humanity
To be honest, though i've been warming up to it, I absolutely hated that ending with the humans at first watch. It felt so forced and all i could think about is how they didn't choose the better explanation for them having intelligence (that being them being astronauts) and that I worry for the future of these movies being too human focused. I think they (including many other franchises) need to learn that we don't go to these movies for the human characters, and while humans are an integral part of this franchise, id love to see what they could do with just primitive humans, no astronauts or intelligent humans at all.
Sorry, but them being astronauts would have been 10x more forced than what we got imo.
Say what y'all want but this was TOO much monkey. The people parts in first three were boring and too much but taking them out completely made it hard to watch at some points. Also hard to hear and understand conversation in the theater. Not to mention bringing anyone new into the franchise on this movie is fucking rough lol brought my lil bros and gf who all never seen a movie and no one really enjoyed it nearly as much as they should because it takes needing to see the first three to really be okay and understand the monkeys.
My mom had never seen a Planet of the Apes movie before this one and had no problem with "too much monkey" or understanding what they were saying at all 🤷♂️
@@Ape-Nation maybe it's because her kid does a monkey RUclips for a living?😂
I want the future humans to win. They deserve to take back the planet
#TeamApe
This film had great effects, the Apes looked convincing, their world it all looked great but that’s where things ended. Absolute Trash Story, Apes raising Eagles? WTF ? Then some stupid rescue of Nova, then wait some stupid McMuffin apes can’t get into a military complex then Nova becomes a MarySue character and leads a few good apes through a vent then this stupid senseless battle and that’s it. I kept drifting to sleep throughout it was such a boring movie. All the characters were flat, the direction and dialogue were flat there were no stakes? A really pointless movie. A total waste of time compared to the 60’s 70’s originals
Agree to disagree!
Man what a movie, and cliffhanger, and so even more potential. It’s kinda hard to reconcile what Mae did, but I guess I can’t put blame with her POV. Dinosaurs were dominant but there aren’t many people wanting to give them another chance. Well, I worry humans will redo the same mistakes. I’d rather neither humans or apes or anyone be dominant if they are gonna be tyrants. Or maybe coexistence is possible. Maybe most apes and most humans will unite against a bigger intergalactic threat. What a rabbit hole I found myself in
did my comment not go through or was it just not responded to?
We eat dinosaurs in an industrial sale (chicken), I can get why apes will not let humanity gain back its dominance.
Though, I hope humans would not get ragdolled very easily each movie.
I feel we are heading for a battle for the planet of the apes type ending to this trilogy. The trilogy 6-9 should make for great viewing. I hope it takes much further into the future
Hopelessly it is the Battle they told in the 1968 original
The battle they told in the 1968 original.
AWESOME!
I’m interested in seeing how human culture has changed in the past 300 years, there’s a lot of potential there. I’m curious what direction they’ll go with pockets of human groups potentially coming together and what that’ll look like. It’s very interesting to me but like you Josh I do think this trilogy should mostly be ape focused. I have faith in the story group and I can’t wait
Raka will return to make a lead for the story ahead hopefully. Otherwise, it will be very easy for the new series to repeat itself along the storyline of its first 3 movies. If so, then the fans may lose their interest to continue supporting the new development of story ahead.
Making a mostly ape movie drives the budget up and most studios dont like that. So unless this movie out does all the others in the last trilogy at the box office, it wont happen. Not sure how else the humans can evolve in 300years but I guess we'll see.
True
@@Ape-Nation Id love to see one completely without humans for once. It seems that every movie boils down to one group trying to figure out how to or if to trust the other group. Would rather just see the apes
Those were my thoughts as well, if they do that it could drive the budget up though idk by how much. It would need to make more at the box office, since the Ape franchise isn't exactly Star Wars or Super hero level of audiences flocking to get tickets, there's a need for balance.
@@juangal7569 I see (in comments) way more people that didn't like this movie, than ones that did. I thought it was ok, but not enough to go see it again. I'm pretty sure it is going to fizzle out at the box office after this coming weekend. They may greenlight another one, but I bet they do it with a smaller budget, if they do. Which is crazy. If you do the research, the Planet Of The Apes is the only film series where the studio lowered the budget, from the previous film, on each movie, except of course the very first one. What we need to see is something we haven't seen before. Chimps are not docile animals. Need to see some super smart chimps, "hunting" humans. Forming plans, strategizing, setting traps, etc etc Almost equivalent to a jungle tribe of indigenous people attacking a small town or city. THAT would be something to watch. THAT would be something that wasn't in any of the previous movies.
I think you may have only read a few comments, because the vast majority of comments I've seen on my channel have been either people liking or loving it.
I'm surprised that reviewers haven't mentioned that the human bunker Mae went to at the end was predominantly female. I only saw the film once. If it's true, it has to be intentional.
I didn't even notice tbh, and idk why it has to be intentional. It wouldn't be any different if they were mostly men.
@@Ape-Nation Filmmakers are specific with every shot composition. It's good visual storytelling. Maybe, they're implying that after 300 years, women had better resistance towards the virus better than men?
Remember with Rise. They started off with a man mission to Mars. So it not really have to be people on Earth but on Mars they spoken with
I really liked and enjoyed the human part of the story with Kingdom. I thought it was similar enough to the original movie with having many humans being unable to communicate and unintelligent therefore they were dominated by the apes who chose to exploit their superiority and then the twist to having uneffected(by the virus) humans who were pursuing technological means yet staying hidden for now was very interesting. Where they go with this isn’t concerning to me as I trust they’ll be creative enough to not duplicate what’s already been done. The one thing I keep thinking would be creative would be humans begin to interact with apes and showing how we’ve made so many mistakes in the course of human evolution which we see familiarity with the apes and having humans warning apes that the same will happen if they don’t slow down. Where this goes is obviously the more exciting part of a new story. They ought to add in the element of the astronauts who were missing in the Rise movie. That would add a solid twist but now seems that everyone expects it.
Stand alone movie, it was good. Setup movie, it was great.