I myself have worse experience with PIA. I was always travelling business class between Riyadh- Karachi-Islamabad and way back . Most of the time between Karachi - Islamabad or back to Karachi PIA only upper Economy class . Once on the way back from Karachi to Riyadh my confirmed seat in business class they put me in Ecomony class because business class some relatives of pilots occupied our business class seats . That day I decided never use again PIA . Mumtaz Ali
@mwaqaruddin2588 complain to whom? I complained about the medicine sold at KHI International Airport without having medical license + 4 folds above the price of mrp at citizen portal when imran khan was president no outcome.... I'm sorry but all such department who take your complaint are more painful area therefore in the end you find it's better to ignore and move fwd.
Timestamp 3:14 Was Noor Khan and Asghar Khan (Golden Era) 4:56 What is the elephant in the room? 12:30 What's the percentage of core staff? 13:43 Two biggest mistakes that turned the course 15:40 Were we making making in 80s and 90s? 20:50 Were we at glory or was it just a hoax? 21:55 Privatization 22:25 800 Billion Accumulative Loss 23:20 No Long Term Planning 25:20 Host personal experience 26:00 Perks of Direct Flights 26:50 Flight Services and Competition 32:40 2011 Biggest Survey 36:45 Bans on PIA 44:40 Illegal Liscense 46:00 Pakistan can't have a hub? 47:13 Turkey as a Hub 55:00 Who dictates PIA? 57:10 Is Pilot Association (PALPA) a mafia? 1:02:35 SAEP (Society of Aircraft Engineers of Pakistan) another mafia 1:04:40 How to fix such organisation? 1:05:30 Marketing Employee 1:06:25 Were we ever good at something? 1:07:40 Story of FBR by Shabbar Zaidi 1:09:07 Can anyone amend the rules of PALPA? 1:10:05 Air Marshall Noor Khan and Air Marshall Asghar Khan 1:13:55 Salary Structure of PIA 1:16:15 Theft or Corruption in PIA 1:25:25 PIA MD took the plane to Germany 1:30:00 Is there Hope? 1:32:40 What's the way out? 1:38:20 Final words
Best presentation. Business is not government job. These must be handed over to the concerned parties. All governance system must be reformed.. It should be based on strict merit, transparency, collective use of authority, performance based promotions and other incentives. May God show us rightful path and save our country.
Strongly disagree with you, Singapore airline is one fine example they got independence after us! They were also abandoned by King of Malaysia and they rise and shine. So revenue generation through core division is basic function of government + if a country do not have a national carrier then what's left more!??
Host is not letting talk to the interviewer, it seems like he wants talk more, this causes the listener to loose interest, secondly the other gentleman barely got a chance to speak. Host needs to learn how to interview..,
Host is also extremely eager to tell the whole world that PIA was never a good airline. He is constantly repeating the same narrative, which is completely non-sense.
@@superaijaz you are right-when you unfold the story before it’s logical end, then the listeners/viewers lose interest. PIA is almost closing, and it is very sad chapter. Compare to it Pakistan Railways, equally bad, but still running. Despite the short comings of this program, it was well intended. However, the host did not ask any penetrating question to the two gentleman who were in the top management and must have shouldered some responsibility.
When I was young college going kid, I was so impressed with PIA that after my FSC I sat in the entrance exam for PIA staff intake but unable to secure a position, until this day I dont know what was my score in the test, even after my Masters I applied again but no success - in 2002 I left Pakistan and migrated to New Zealand. Until this day, had an excellent career in IT and hold Technical and management positions in world leading companies in New Zealand. Now looking at PIA sorry state, I feel so fortunate that I made it to New Zealand. No corruption here. ONLY MERIT.
@@destinationNZ i also have thought to come to New Zealand. But I have heard that their is also very increased prices of daily base life needs . I mean household thing .etc.
Cost of living crisis is everywhere, look at what is the present state of England economy, very grim but people are still going there, so it depends of every person own situation but I can guarantee you , they all are far more better with the current state of Pakistan economy and due to decades of unfortunate political situation more bad news in the coming years. You make the call
As a child of PIA employee growing up in 70's and 80's. I would disagree with some of the views of the panel. While it may be true PIA had no regional competition in its first 30 years of existence. PIA did carry massive amounts of load from Middle East to Far East, Europe and USA, and also from Europe to USA and vice versa. The decline started happening when PPP came into power and started recruiting its cronies into PIA. Bhutto banned serving alcohol in May1977 which exacerbated the decline. Since non Muslims stopped travelling and PIA turned into carrying families and labor class to Middle East. Just my 2 cents. Great podcast 👍
I disagree with ur panelists…..I’m son of PIA employee who was among 11 ppl who built PIA from Orient Airways ,along with mr Isphani / Sehgal retired in 1979 PIA made a training movie on him as symbol of PIA ……in that era PIA competition was with Jal, BOAC, Pan Am , Lufthansa and other eruption airlines cuz there were no middle eastern airlines operating and proudly watch PIA consecutively winner 1st award from 1968/79 in all departments including calendars and many things nowadays nobody can imagine PIA started entertainment in aviation need thousands of pages to tell the glorious days of PIA , to bring Trident aircraft’s was politics cuz when PIA wants operate in those days Peking usa made ban that there technology of Boeing not allowed to China etc etc ……
And we called our nation so called Islamic nation where the Trade of alcohol was legalised using name of Hindus and licenses were issued on our names and official bill was passed although if you go round the city or village all the buyers are mulahs
💯 on point the way the whole country took turn n steep nose dive happens when un deserving occupies positions due to power than talent so it all was imminent..
I being a former PIA employee believe an airline shouldn't be run by a govt. It can keep some shares if they want, but it should primarily be a public-private venture.
@@Indus5950 yes that's also an option but i think some shares must remain with the govt in PIA's case because the presence of govt as a player in the market ensures price regulation otherwise the private players alone are money suckers.
Chori or stealing in PIA is normal . Once I was traveling between Bankok to Karachi . One plain take off pilot announce due to weather turbulence seat belts must be fastened and no services will be provided . All the way no food accept water & tea . Later on find out that PIA staff sale all food to local buyer in Thailand . What a best stealing case . Only PIA staff can do this .Mumtaz Ali 😂
AOA bht hi zabardast pehli bar yeh chanel dekh or bht hi zabardast maza aya itni informative video bs dua hy Allah in 2no sahibaan ka ab abni khaas hifazat main rakhy q k yeh ek azaaad riyaasat hy
I took PIA from Kabul to Karachi in 1965 on my way to the USA. Phenomenal airlines. Then Karachi was the hub for Pan Am, KLM, TWA, and many other major international airlines. Stayed in Karachi for couple of days and then took KLM to the USA.
A mind blowing unveil facts through this discussion for those who are and have been the part of our national flag carrier Pakistan International Airlines (PIA). Think what PIA has given to you since you are and were a part of this autonomous national enterprise now it time to returned back with your sincerity and dedication to lift again this organization on the position when it was since 1960's till 1990's. "It's better to be late then never"
PIA departments show great creativity: maintenance engineering, poultry, kitchen/catering, horticulture, printing press, construction, healthcare for its staff, hospitals, diagnostic labs, residential schemes for its staff, world class international hotels,... Other state organizations should learn from this great experience and follow suit. In innovative departments ki waja say international standards qaym rekhay gay aur khercha bhi kem raha. 2003 tek PIA in tamam departments kay bawajud bhi profit main thi! Private airlines to apni maintenance am workshops say kerwati aur am petrol pumps say tyres main hawa bherwati hain.
It used to be creativity but not anymore. To avoid overheads, even major airlines of the world outsourced these services to keep their expenses as a minimum as airline industry is a very fragile business.
@@ashkhan7887 The director explained that they had tried the outsourcing model once with their kitchen, but standards had dropped and prices had skyrocketed, so there was no point in doing it. The international airlines have to do this for a number of reasons, mainly labor costs. Moreover, they usually have a more sophisticated and better structured catering industry, which does not exist in PAK. As the director said, they could not bring food from food centers like Burns Road. PIA went overboard and gave everyone working for PIA, including dishwashers, loaders, gardeners etc., a full employment contract! This really wasn't necessary and shouldn't have been done.. Now the state is paying the price for this folly (no doubt also for politically motivated overstaffing of higher cadres).
We were never lumbar 1 in anything. We were just exposed overtime. Every department from defense to sports is on a downfall from day 1 of Pakistan. We are never among the ranks in anything. We are just misguided and everything is falling apart. Best thing is to try to leave as early as possible.
Most of these retired PIA officers are themselves responsible for the downfall, what did Marketing achieve during last few years, blaming MNS is a political target, the open sky policy was the best thing to do as PIA marketing was cozy enough with the prior rules, like within 2 years you can't fly foreign carrier twice etc. Open sky policy brought private sector into business which made the industry grow. The only mistake was not to privatize the airline with introduction of open sky policy, and with due apologies these officers of PIA from all cadres were against every Govt's privatization move.
You have exposed the exact amount of misdeeds which are rampant in every department of the Airline , I was very much amazed to see the whole discussion of One hour and 45 minutes very interesting Discussion / Report . Worked for 28 years in the Flight Services department , I fully endorse it , in my view the downward trend of the airline started from 1977 and kept on declining , Alas we would have taken this entity by the horn at that point . Instead , we started to have the Int'l Tickets to JFK or LHR , the brain drain has started . Supersession with lower grade employees getting into higher grade without the knowledge of good communication skills and get on the Pay Group 8 and 9 and even as General Manager in Grp 10 , examples are as in Field Service and Passport & Visa Cell . Heart Bleeds when I see the In-efficiency of Employees .
PIA BA-MUQABLA SEHRAI HAWA-BAZ: Yea useles pessimism hay, kay PIA is liay achi thi (yan nazar ati thi), kay us waqt abhi Arbay is field main nahin ay thay. Hamaray baray PIA ki us waqt ki sevice say waqif hain aur aj ki Arbon ki service say bhi, jo hem nay bhi bhugti hay. In Sehrai aur Turkon ki na-maqool service kay hawalay say sab ka ijma hay, kay PIA ki service bohet khoob thi. In Arbon ki to auqat yea hay, kay inhon nay sara ka sara staff hi ghair-mulki rekha huwa hay, yani in kay pas board personnel tek presentable nahin hay, let alone the ground staff. Yea chori-chakari aur mismanagement ka zehreela culture Jamhoory sanpon ki dain hay, jinhon nay PIA ko apnay nakara logon ko palnay kay liay mulazmet-gah kay taur per istemal kia aur is aml main merit ki dhajian bikhairin. In vote kay pujaryon kay nazdeek merit nam koi koi cheeze exist hi nahin kerti.
Very good program. I found the host very good he is actually making it easier for us to understand the technical terms.. very nice program.. we need more of these programs
during present day context this podcast looks unreal, yet simple more pdcasts rquired and people like them, team raftar salute from other side of kashmir
Well I appreciate both of the gentle men , I know and I encourage this decision to codeshare with TK. Myself , I am the sales Manager of Ethiopian Airline Pakistan and recently codeshare with PIA.
This podcast underscores the deep-rooted corruption within our nation. During my time as an intern at PIA Engineering in Karachi, I observed that many employees seemed to engage primarily in leisurely activities like chewing paan, snacking, and gossiping.
Hands down the best podcast I ever viewed, due to long duration I had to watch in 3 parts, but enjoyed every bit of it, not a single second was wasted.
It is a good podcast. Thanks for letting us know whats going on.. Recommendations: 1. Host need to stop interrupting and giving his own opinion. 2. Second Interviewee was not given equal time in sharing his side of story.
Assalam o alikum, bro PIA mein sirf hamare Pakistani log Hain. Other airlines mein Puri dunya se log Hain . Jahan logo Ki union Nahi Banti . Aur humari airline mein unions nay sub barbad Kiya Hua hay. Is liye head koi decision Nahi lay sakta is ko sedha Karne K liye .
These are the people remained on key posts in PIA ,they enjoyed PIA and are equally responsible for disaster of PIA. TKPk policy was extremely mischevius and kept confidential, stake holders were not taken onborad and there was a huge gap between employees and management. Besides all this nepotism , out of turn promotions / postings and murder of merit played a vital role to worsen the situation. The gentleman remained the chairman of promotion and posting boards and he stuffed PIA with blue eyed against the merit.
the only solution is to disband PIA or sell it for 1 rupee like Air India sold for 1 res to Tata, this is the only solution as Pia is irretrievable and just not viable.
first time heard about the reality of our country, the deep analysis of our international Airline, very happy to see and listen to literate people like you all. very inspired by these two Pia Officers. I as a Pakistani citizen hope that good people will find out the way to run PIA successfully and they don't have to to privatise this organisation too.
It seems everybody get job in PIA by their affiliations with political parties . I know so many PIA staff they just get jobs in PIA and work for other companies or running their own businesses. They get permanent salaries and facilities from PIA . Wish Allah guide Muslims . They pray five time a day .but never feel ashame to feed their kids with Haram income . Allah bless our ❤Pakistan❤. Mumtaz Ali
The host is totally unfit for such interview. He should hav basic knowledge re airlines operation n PIA merit n demerits of pia.He is a Non serious person asking stupidity type questions. Irshad Ghani has explained problems very well Salute to his vast knowledge n experience of airlines. He is all rounders having working in almost all deptts. of PIA.
What a class of journalism. Both guests and host maintained exceptional pace throughout the interview. Must I say better than CNN and some top channels. Keep up the good work and keep shining light on issues that matter.
In Canada each city has police chief (DIG), deputy chief (SSP), Inspector (Staff Officer), Staff Sargents, Sargents, Senior Constables, Constables Total 50 or 60 officials for 50,000 people. All pays comes from city taxes, Mayor is responsible for the pay and expenses of Councillor’s. That’s how it’s works, city have to take care snow removal, sand, road and footpath’s construction parks maintenance, social welfare, education, law & order. We have CSS officers, it’s all useless. It need to be revive the whole system to improve and balance the budget with cuts.
سعودی عرب کے انجحانی وزیر داخلہ سلطان بن عبدالعزیز نے سختی کے ساتھ سعودی ایر لائن کے تمام عملے کی فری ٹکٹ بند کردی تھی انہوں نے کہا تھا ہم عملے کو انکے خدمات کا معاوضہ (تنخواہ)دیتے ہیں چاہیں وہ کسی عدالت میں چلے جائں
I really impressed by this both officer's..there statement come from there hearts with completely truthful events in past..... highly experienced and. Ground to earth parson.... accepting mistakes is so hard task...and they analyse well and accepted.....
The guest who was an engineer, doesn’t want to say how much commission he himself took before his retirement? Also, he himself was a culprit for not repairing the faults of the aircraft when UK and Germany had already pointed out those faults.
At least every student who want to get admission in University must watch the podcast at-least to understand how things works in Pakistan. Best & worst case study is PIA story of the day. So every graduated person must listen this & understand that we as a national morally, socially, financially, & professionally corrupt.
A little clarification on the Trident matter: The final competition was between British-made Trident and US-made Boeing 727. PIA management selected Boeing 727 but then Managing Director PIA Nur Khan vetoed that decision and selected Trident because it was thought that Americans at some stage might stop PIA from using US-made Boeings on flights to/from China and in that case PIA could use Tridents for China flights. This is the time( around 1966) that the Americans had placed an arms embargo on Pakistan after the 1965 war with India. The Pakistan Government wanted to teach the Americans a lesson. I read some where that Nur Khan was very much in favor of the Boeing purchase initially, but Ayub Khan overrode his recommendation.
Great Podcast Hats off to IRSHAD Ghani sahab and Tajwar Sahab every single moment of podcast is worth to listening. Being part of Irshad sahab team he is a dead honest and sincere person for Airline
Very true. I bought a ticket from LHE-Istanbul-Los angeles through expedia. Payment was processed but PIA staff called me and said there is no seat on the plane and they are not responsible for refund. Worst experience i ever had for air travel
Having direct PIA staff working in stations like Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, and Peshawar is quite normal most competitors have their own staff working in hubs, and non-hubs they have 3rd party contract services. This also helps with passengers experience in hubs as well - positive away. Typically 3rd party staff don't do the best job.
Salute for having such a ground breaking 2 episodes on PIA downfall. No channel would have done this. I am glad all 3 guest (part 1 and 2) came infront and shared the facts & true stories without any fear!! Great work Host & Raftar Team. Kudos!!!!
1st step is to reduce foreign airline flights to Pakistan. One major problem with people of pakistan is dishonesty. If someone tries to reduce foreign airline flights to pakistan, they will bribe someone in Pakistan and get the approval despite of the orders.
Competition is always healthy. If their was no Emirates and Qatar airlines just imagine how pathetic the PIA service would be. They proof themselves with good service and capture the market while the PIA mentally was and still "Afsar Shahi" they don't care about service they consider themselves officers. I travelled with both PIA and Gulf airline their is a hell difference in services.
Sadly, a culture of subservience and slavery, perhaps not in the literal sense, nevertheless, will never lead anywhere. My father was a pilot in PIA and came from the PAF. He flew for some 17 years before leaving for the US for good. He was so dissapointed and disgusted with the organization to the point that he even refused to talk about it in his later years.
سنتا جا شرماتا جا ۔۔۔۔۔ ان دو سابقہ اعلیٰ افسران کی گفتگو سے اندازہ ھوجاتا ھے کہ ہمارے ہاں PIA جیسے بڑے اداروں کو بھی کتنے ذاتی مفادات کیلئیے اور casual انداز میں چلایا جاتا ھے۔ میزبان کو مبارکباد جنہوں نے اتنی طویل گفتگو کو بھی کہیں بورنگ نہیں ھونے دیا۔
Unionism and nationalism by pp in 70s is the watershd for all sectors in Pakistan. People like the hosts here enjoyed full perks but did not give the company anythi g i return
In India too Air India and Indian Airlines failed after private and international airlines started competing. Air India ( In which Indian Airlines was amalgamated). was recently sold to Tatas. Govt Babus and bureaucracy will never succeed in any type of business in any country. Period.
We are a land of Parwaris in every state run affairs. PIA is a result of hiring corrupt and uncompetent people at every level. The result is a unsafe and bankrupt airline. Shut it down and use the saved money on welfare for the people.
As a patriotic Pakistani Regardless of flaws and sometimes higher fair then other local airlines i still try to travel by Pia when ever possible . This is the only part i can play for my airline. Its sad to see Pia where it is right now whereas the potential of getting business for Pia is huge.
it is high per seat employees ratio, world wide it is 120-145 employees, but during peja musharraf and ppp thieves times, thousands of employees were recruited by bribes and nepotism, he is bloddy brother in law that thief, he is son in law of that pig, he is uncle of that pig, or he has pais so many millions for this job, that was the merti for these recruitments, nawaz sharif refused to sleep with the mother of this video maker, that is the reason, he is having so much pain in his Gaa...d
PIA has a lot of issues, their booking system is very bad even I remember in 2000ish when they got new system, which was already deprecated system! but they paid huge money for that. Usually their tickets are way more expensive then very good flights, so how come passenger travl on it. I have done many travels using Etihad/Emirates and I always compare PIA was always expensive then these air lines. There are many time reports that flight was empty but on booking system there was no ticket available. I use to be transport manager in Karachi and I remember very well there were not seats but when our staff was travelling flight was 70% empty?? so how come your system show it fully booked. As for Airline yes once PIA was amazing flight I remember did one group from UK in 1999 and a big school group of UK came using PIA and they were doing transit from Pakistan. she told me PIA is their favourite flight and they always travel on it. So there was good name of PIA once, this is not true that they were only one but still it was good airline. Following they can do 1. manage standards of flights 2. Offer different rates like other airline do, if flight is empty low rate and later on increase rates 3. Nobody should allowed to delay flights 3. They must give option if no luggage very cheap flight, if luggage then expensive, meal should be also optional and if not taken give rebate. There are many more things but first get rid of those expensive staff and their demanding things.
Ye aik dukhi program tha jis tarhan guest dukh k sath jawab de rahay thay kash anchor b agr thora dhemay lahjay me bat kartay to program ka impact or zada hota or dosra ye k anchor bilawaja k sawal karnay k bajai chup kar k suntay to zada acha hota
I have traveled with Orient airways before it became PIA under the leadership of Noor Khan. We in early days had options to fly using other international air lines like Pan Am , Lufthansa etc. PIA was the best airlines with par excellence in inflight and ground service operations with world's best trained pilots . In asia PIA was the first airlines to have conversions from Dakota to Jet Airlines. Mr host please refrain from making premature presumption on PIA of its early days. Most of your generation was not even born to witness the golden days of PIA. Today PIA has been destroyed by political interference and hiring every tom dick and harry..
I m retired Sr.officer served PIA from 1984 to 2022 Salman Javed was a soft person and President of SEAP, Irshad Ghani was Gen sec. Irshad beated by PIA officers in Head office on their salary nagociation Irshad nothing knows about PIA In fact PIA falls started when Waqar azeem was MD he purchased apple,s low quality computers, sold out DC10 Aircraft and purchased 747 from cp air Thousands of employees inducted by Ghous Ali Shah and Jonejo MLR 52 employees rejoined PIA by order of PPP Govt. 3500 employee more inducted from interior Sind by PPP Govt(Mpa Mna qouta) 3500 daily wages employees absorbed on pemenent post by order of PPP The number of employees extended always by Govt. After Noor khan and Asghar Khan only one person Arif Abbasi was a devoted person as MD Trade unions promoted helpers as technicians Matric in arts peons are now technician and getting technical salary Many more to say but i have no words to tell about PIA,s down fall.
May God help us. I feel this is the state of almost all state run institutions. Sadly the problem is so widely pervasive and involves such a huge number of individuals/groups/organizations involved that finding or implementing solutions would be a nightmare if not impossible.
Interviewer/anchor is skipping many vital comments, he should have completed his course's. Seems like a kid with no training at all. He should have realized that gentlemen sitting in front of him are seniors and most respectful.
Free tickets to Senators, MNAs, MPAs, PMs, President, armed forces officers and personnel etc are another reason of PIA.s destruction, in addition to a huge number of retured employees of PIA and their families who get international air tickets as well as hotel stays.
Nawaz sharif used to take pia planes around the world full flight with friends and family with him and he would take his driver his personal chef his cleaners and all for free
It's a confirmed fact that many times in order to accommodate their family, there was alternation done in setting of aircrafts. They are responsible for destroying the airline for personal gains.
This deserves more views. Rather a campaign.. Raftar team. Congratulations on the work.
Thank you
Thank you respected ex PIA officials, for opening our eyes and proving this is nothing better than subjects we have been taught with misinformation
Thank you for your feedback.
BLAME NAWAZ SHARIF PMLN FOR THIS MESS ON PIA.
It all starts with The Book.
Imrand khan started this fake pilots story
Good intent excellent work but plz mr host don't cut between the talk and equally divide the opportunity to answer b/w the guests
I myself have worse experience with PIA. I was always travelling business class between Riyadh- Karachi-Islamabad and way back . Most of the time between Karachi - Islamabad or back to Karachi PIA only upper Economy class . Once on the way back from Karachi to Riyadh my confirmed seat in business class they put me in Ecomony class because business class some relatives of pilots occupied our business class seats . That day I decided never use again PIA . Mumtaz Ali
Mumtaz sahib no doubt about this act is not good. did you report/ complain this mishap if yes so what was the outcome????
@mwaqaruddin2588 complain to whom? I complained about the medicine sold at KHI International Airport without having medical license + 4 folds above the price of mrp at citizen portal when imran khan was president no outcome.... I'm sorry but all such department who take your complaint are more painful area therefore in the end you find it's better to ignore and move fwd.
Raftar Team u r doing well your effort is awsom keep it up
Excellent interview and bold and answers of both of guests. Highly appreciated
Timestamp
3:14 Was Noor Khan and Asghar Khan (Golden Era)
4:56 What is the elephant in the room?
12:30 What's the percentage of core staff?
13:43 Two biggest mistakes that turned the course
15:40 Were we making making in 80s and 90s?
20:50 Were we at glory or was it just a hoax?
21:55 Privatization
22:25 800 Billion Accumulative Loss
23:20 No Long Term Planning
25:20 Host personal experience
26:00 Perks of Direct Flights
26:50 Flight Services and Competition
32:40 2011 Biggest Survey
36:45 Bans on PIA
44:40 Illegal Liscense
46:00 Pakistan can't have a hub?
47:13 Turkey as a Hub
55:00 Who dictates PIA?
57:10 Is Pilot Association (PALPA) a mafia?
1:02:35 SAEP (Society of Aircraft Engineers of Pakistan) another mafia
1:04:40 How to fix such organisation?
1:05:30 Marketing Employee
1:06:25 Were we ever good at something?
1:07:40 Story of FBR by Shabbar Zaidi
1:09:07 Can anyone amend the rules of PALPA?
1:10:05 Air Marshall Noor Khan and Air Marshall Asghar Khan
1:13:55 Salary Structure of PIA
1:16:15 Theft or Corruption in PIA
1:25:25 PIA MD took the plane to Germany
1:30:00 Is there Hope?
1:32:40 What's the way out?
1:38:20 Final words
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Best presentation. Business is not government job. These must be handed over to the concerned parties. All governance system must be reformed.. It should be based on strict merit, transparency, collective use of authority, performance based promotions and other incentives. May God show us rightful path and save our country.
Business is also not for the Army. I believe Army involvement destroyed every industry of Pakistan.
Strongly disagree with you, Singapore airline is one fine example they got independence after us! They were also abandoned by King of Malaysia and they rise and shine. So revenue generation through core division is basic function of government + if a country do not have a national carrier then what's left more!??
Host is not letting talk to the interviewer, it seems like he wants talk more, this causes the listener to loose interest, secondly the other gentleman barely got a chance to speak. Host needs to learn how to interview..,
Totally agree with you on his very annoying, intrusive interruption. First time, I had seen his vlog, that perhaps would be last time.
I totally agree with u.
Host is also extremely eager to tell the whole world that PIA was never a good airline. He is constantly repeating the same narrative, which is completely non-sense.
@@superaijaz you are right-when you unfold the story before it’s logical end, then the listeners/viewers lose interest. PIA is almost closing, and it is very sad chapter. Compare to it Pakistan Railways, equally bad, but still running. Despite the short comings of this program, it was well intended. However, the host did not ask any penetrating question to the two gentleman who were in the top management and must have shouldered some responsibility.
100% Correct
When I was young college going kid, I was so impressed with PIA that after my FSC I sat in the entrance exam for PIA staff intake but unable to secure a position, until this day I dont know what was my score in the test, even after my Masters I applied again but no success - in 2002 I left Pakistan and migrated to New Zealand. Until this day, had an excellent career in IT and hold Technical and management positions in world leading companies in New Zealand. Now looking at PIA sorry state, I feel so fortunate that I made it to New Zealand. No corruption here. ONLY MERIT.
What a story.
@@raftartv JazakAllah, I even inspired some of my BS and MCS students in Pakistan to migrate to New Zealand, few of them are living here.
@@destinationNZ i also have thought to come to New Zealand. But I have heard that their is also very increased prices of daily base life needs . I mean household thing
.etc.
Cost of living crisis is everywhere, look at what is the present state of England economy, very grim but people are still going there, so it depends of every person own situation but I can guarantee you , they all are far more better with the current state of Pakistan economy and due to decades of unfortunate political situation more bad news in the coming years. You make the call
@@destinationNZ right . Thanks bro
yr behtreeen episode ye sari knowledge I'm sure kissi bhi aam Pakistani ko nhi pta thi very much appreciated ❤
As a child of PIA employee growing up in 70's and 80's. I would disagree with some of the views of the panel. While it may be true PIA had no regional competition in its first 30 years of existence. PIA did carry massive amounts of load from Middle East to Far East, Europe and USA, and also from Europe to USA and vice versa. The decline started happening when PPP came into power and started recruiting its cronies into PIA. Bhutto banned serving alcohol in May1977 which exacerbated the decline. Since non Muslims stopped travelling and PIA turned into carrying families and labor class to Middle East. Just my 2 cents. Great podcast 👍
I disagree with ur panelists…..I’m son of PIA employee who was among 11 ppl who built PIA from Orient Airways ,along with mr Isphani / Sehgal retired in 1979 PIA made a training movie on him as symbol of PIA ……in that era PIA competition was with Jal, BOAC, Pan Am , Lufthansa and other eruption airlines cuz there were no middle eastern airlines operating and proudly watch PIA consecutively winner 1st award from 1968/79 in all departments including calendars and many things nowadays nobody can imagine PIA started entertainment in aviation need thousands of pages to tell the glorious days of PIA , to bring Trident aircraft’s was politics cuz when PIA wants operate in those days Peking usa made ban that there technology of Boeing not allowed to China etc etc ……
And we called our nation so called Islamic nation where the Trade of alcohol was legalised using name of Hindus and licenses were issued on our names and official bill was passed although if you go round the city or village all the buyers are mulahs
💯 on point the way the whole country took turn n steep nose dive happens when un deserving occupies positions due to power than talent so it all was imminent..
Ma sha Allah full informative and jazak Allah for the effort
I being a former PIA employee believe an airline shouldn't be run by a govt. It can keep some shares if they want, but it should primarily be a public-private venture.
Make it totally private, just like AirIndia. Very simple. No public-private combination, that will make issues more complicated.
@@Indus5950 yes that's also an option but i think some shares must remain with the govt in PIA's case because the presence of govt as a player in the market ensures price regulation otherwise the private players alone are money suckers.
the anchor is well informed person. right question . raftar is the channel where professional anchors join together
Chori or stealing in PIA is normal . Once I was traveling between Bankok to Karachi . One plain take off pilot announce due to weather turbulence seat belts must be fastened and no services will be provided . All the way no food accept water & tea . Later on find out that PIA staff sale all food to local buyer in Thailand . What a best stealing case . Only PIA staff can do this .Mumtaz Ali 😂
AOA bht hi zabardast pehli bar yeh chanel dekh or bht hi zabardast maza aya
itni informative video
bs dua hy Allah in 2no sahibaan ka ab abni khaas hifazat main rakhy
q k yeh ek azaaad riyaasat hy
پوڈ کاسٹ پسند کرنے کیلیے بہت شکریہ
I took PIA from Kabul to Karachi in 1965 on my way to the USA. Phenomenal airlines. Then Karachi was the hub for Pan Am, KLM, TWA, and many other major international airlines. Stayed in Karachi for couple of days and then took KLM to the USA.
😮 Umar de der de
Maza Agya ... Zabardast
A mind blowing unveil facts through this discussion for those who are and have been the part of our national flag carrier Pakistan International Airlines (PIA). Think what PIA has given to you since you are and were a part of this autonomous national enterprise now it time to returned back with your sincerity and dedication to lift again this organization on the position when it was since 1960's till 1990's. "It's better to be late then never"
PIA departments show great creativity: maintenance engineering, poultry, kitchen/catering, horticulture, printing press, construction, healthcare for its staff, hospitals, diagnostic labs, residential schemes for its staff, world class international hotels,... Other state organizations should learn from this great experience and follow suit. In innovative departments ki waja say international standards qaym rekhay gay aur khercha bhi kem raha. 2003 tek PIA in tamam departments kay bawajud bhi profit main thi!
Private airlines to apni maintenance am workshops say kerwati aur am petrol pumps say tyres main hawa bherwati hain.
It used to be creativity but not anymore. To avoid overheads, even major airlines of the world outsourced these services to keep their expenses as a minimum as airline industry is a very fragile business.
@@ashkhan7887 The director explained that they had tried the outsourcing model once with their kitchen, but standards had dropped and prices had skyrocketed, so there was no point in doing it. The international airlines have to do this for a number of reasons, mainly labor costs. Moreover, they usually have a more sophisticated and better structured catering industry, which does not exist in PAK. As the director said, they could not bring food from food centers like Burns Road. PIA went overboard and gave everyone working for PIA, including dishwashers, loaders, gardeners etc., a full employment contract! This really wasn't necessary and shouldn't have been done.. Now the state is paying the price for this folly (no doubt also for politically motivated overstaffing of higher cadres).
We were never lumbar 1 in anything. We were just exposed overtime. Every department from defense to sports is on a downfall from day 1 of Pakistan. We are never among the ranks in anything. We are just misguided and everything is falling apart. Best thing is to try to leave as early as possible.
Exactly
Ok then u should do it fast pakistan wont vanish without u a person who wrote lumber instead of number
@@tariqghori2266 faujeet lol
MCo : jaise aaj kal exodus horses hai. Pakistan Zindabad!
Amazing comments
Informative. Sad to heard the reality . Very good discussion
Very good analysis by ex-PIA official on airline current stat which almost bankcourrupted
Look forward.
Most of these retired PIA officers are themselves responsible for the downfall, what did Marketing achieve during last few years, blaming MNS is a political target, the open sky policy was the best thing to do as PIA marketing was cozy enough with the prior rules, like within 2 years you can't fly foreign carrier twice etc. Open sky policy brought private sector into business which made the industry grow. The only mistake was not to privatize the airline with introduction of open sky policy, and with due apologies these officers of PIA from all cadres were against every Govt's privatization move.
Bro in his last tenure he tried to privatize pia.
Who tried that? PMLN's labor wing was vocally agitating, PPP and PTI were active in the Dharna against privatization so I don't know who do you mean
You have exposed the exact amount of misdeeds which are rampant in every department of the Airline , I was very much amazed to see the whole discussion of One hour and 45 minutes very interesting Discussion / Report . Worked for 28 years in the Flight Services department , I fully endorse it , in my view the downward trend of the airline started from 1977 and kept on declining , Alas we would have taken this entity by the horn at that point . Instead , we started to have the Int'l Tickets to JFK or LHR , the brain drain has started . Supersession with lower grade employees getting into higher grade without the knowledge of good communication skills and get on the Pay Group 8 and 9 and even as General Manager in Grp 10 , examples are as in Field Service and Passport & Visa Cell . Heart Bleeds when I see the In-efficiency of Employees .
True👍
Zabardast interview.
These gentlemen should write a book on the historical disaster of Pakistan International Airline.
Ye documentary b samjo k 1 book ki summy hy
PIA BA-MUQABLA SEHRAI HAWA-BAZ: Yea useles pessimism hay, kay PIA is liay achi thi (yan nazar ati thi), kay us waqt abhi Arbay is field main nahin ay thay. Hamaray baray PIA ki us waqt ki sevice say waqif hain aur aj ki Arbon ki service say bhi, jo hem nay bhi bhugti hay. In Sehrai aur Turkon ki na-maqool service kay hawalay say sab ka ijma hay, kay PIA ki service bohet khoob thi. In Arbon ki to auqat yea hay, kay inhon nay sara ka sara staff hi ghair-mulki rekha huwa hay, yani in kay pas board personnel tek presentable nahin hay, let alone the ground staff.
Yea chori-chakari aur mismanagement ka zehreela culture Jamhoory sanpon ki dain hay, jinhon nay PIA ko apnay nakara logon ko palnay kay liay mulazmet-gah kay taur per istemal kia aur is aml main merit ki dhajian bikhairin. In vote kay pujaryon kay nazdeek merit nam koi koi cheeze exist hi nahin kerti.
Very good program. I found the host very good he is actually making it easier for us to understand the technical terms.. very nice program.. we need more of these programs
Thank you so much
Very informative program and great guests.
during present day context this podcast looks unreal, yet simple more pdcasts rquired and people like them, team raftar salute from other side of kashmir
Well I appreciate both of the gentle men , I know and I encourage this decision to codeshare with TK.
Myself , I am the sales Manager of Ethiopian Airline Pakistan and recently codeshare with PIA.
Thank you for Watching Raftar TV Video and your feedback.
This podcast underscores the deep-rooted corruption within our nation. During my time as an intern at PIA Engineering in Karachi, I observed that many employees seemed to engage primarily in leisurely activities like chewing paan, snacking, and gossiping.
Excelent Intervew
this host needs to let people speak a bit more. He interrupts people alot...
Podcast format requires debate, not one sided interview. I think its a good discussion.
host acts like is very SMART which he is not to me he is RELIGIUOS HYPOCRATE
Agree. Host is pretending as if he did not know the corruption in PIA
Very good host.
To the point questions. Quite an open discussion. Reveals mega incompetency.
Hands down the best podcast I ever viewed, due to long duration I had to watch in 3 parts, but enjoyed every bit of it, not a single second was wasted.
Thank you
This interview is eye opener.
This is Irshad Ghani our one of the best Operation Engineer of his time...Salute Sir...
It is a good podcast. Thanks for letting us know whats going on..
Recommendations:
1. Host need to stop interrupting and giving his own opinion.
2. Second Interviewee was not given equal time in sharing his side of story.
i really wonder why Mr Irshad is not the secretary of civil aviation .. he is amazing
Unfortunately, Pakistan is one of the colonial country where to serve your country you don't need to be subject matter expert but must pass CSS.
Amazing interview. I have only travelled once with pia otherwise I never travelled afterwards. I need good service and u get what you pay.
Wow one of the most informative podcast I listen.
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Please ask the anchor not to interrupt. The whole momentum goes down. Please don’t destroy topic.
Anchor is born idot, certainly
informatic video
Dubai, Qatar, Bangladesh and many more Airlines have their own ground handling. (Dnata is a subsidiary of Emirates Airlines)
Assalam o alikum, bro PIA mein sirf hamare Pakistani log Hain. Other airlines mein Puri dunya se log Hain . Jahan logo Ki union Nahi Banti . Aur humari airline mein unions nay sub barbad Kiya Hua hay. Is liye head koi decision Nahi lay sakta is ko sedha Karne K liye .
WOW, SUCH AN EYE-OPENER. GREAT WORK BY YOU. 👍👍👍👍👍
These are the people remained on key posts in PIA ,they enjoyed PIA and are equally responsible for disaster of PIA.
TKPk policy was extremely mischevius and kept confidential, stake holders were not taken onborad and there was a huge gap between employees and management.
Besides all this nepotism , out of turn promotions / postings and murder of merit played a vital role to worsen the situation. The gentleman remained the chairman of promotion and posting boards and he stuffed PIA with blue eyed against the merit.
Thanks for opening our eyes
the only solution is to disband PIA or sell it for 1 rupee like Air India sold for 1 res to Tata, this is the only solution as Pia is irretrievable and just not viable.
first time heard about the reality of our country, the deep analysis of our international Airline, very happy to see and listen to literate people like you all. very inspired by these two Pia Officers. I as a Pakistani citizen hope that good people will find out the way to run PIA successfully and they don't have to to privatise this organisation too.
1:05:12 PIA serves the employees of PIA not the people of Pakistan
It seems everybody get job in PIA by their affiliations with political parties . I know so many PIA staff they just get jobs in PIA and work for other companies or running their own businesses. They get permanent salaries and facilities from PIA . Wish Allah guide Muslims . They pray five time a day .but never feel ashame to feed their kids with Haram income . Allah bless our ❤Pakistan❤. Mumtaz Ali
It's very serious matter not laughing programme, the host is laughing for nothing, he is not serious like PIA.
The host is totally unfit for such interview. He should hav basic knowledge re airlines operation n PIA merit n demerits of pia.He is a Non serious person asking stupidity type questions. Irshad Ghani has explained problems very well
Salute to his vast knowledge n experience of airlines. He is all rounders having working in almost all deptts. of PIA.
Host is a corrupt qadiani
What a class of journalism. Both guests and host maintained exceptional pace throughout the interview. Must I say better than CNN and some top channels.
Keep up the good work and keep shining light on issues that matter.
What an informative video 👍👍👍
In Canada each city has police chief (DIG), deputy chief (SSP), Inspector (Staff Officer), Staff Sargents, Sargents, Senior Constables, Constables Total 50 or 60 officials for 50,000 people.
All pays comes from city taxes, Mayor is responsible for the pay and expenses of Councillor’s.
That’s how it’s works, city have to take care snow removal, sand, road and footpath’s construction parks maintenance, social welfare, education, law & order.
We have CSS officers, it’s all useless. It need to be revive the whole system to improve and balance the budget with cuts.
Thanks to RAFTAR and ex PIA Officials. We need more these type of peoples. Thank You
Thank you
سعودی عرب کے انجحانی وزیر داخلہ سلطان بن عبدالعزیز نے سختی کے ساتھ سعودی ایر لائن کے تمام عملے کی فری ٹکٹ بند کردی تھی انہوں نے کہا تھا ہم عملے کو انکے خدمات کا معاوضہ (تنخواہ)دیتے ہیں چاہیں وہ کسی عدالت میں چلے جائں
What a sad story. There were many dedicated honest folks at PIA who deserved better leadership.
Conclusion: Privatize PIA, otherwise government officials will destroy it further.
I really impressed by this both officer's..there statement come from there hearts with completely truthful events in past..... highly experienced and. Ground to earth parson.... accepting mistakes is so hard task...and they analyse well and accepted.....
The guest who was an engineer, doesn’t want to say how much commission he himself took before his retirement? Also, he himself was a culprit for not repairing the faults of the aircraft when UK and Germany had already pointed out those faults.
Raftar Teri parwaz say jalta hai zamana ❤
At least every student who want to get admission in University must watch the podcast at-least to understand how things works in Pakistan. Best & worst case study is PIA story of the day. So every graduated person must listen this & understand that we as a national morally, socially, financially, & professionally corrupt.
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Good interview
Behind every distrucrtion there will be SHARIF brothers.
Good effort to highlight PIA issues effecting decline of PIA.
A little clarification on the Trident matter:
The final competition was between British-made Trident and US-made Boeing 727. PIA management selected Boeing 727 but then Managing Director PIA Nur Khan vetoed that decision and selected Trident because it was thought that Americans at some stage might stop PIA from using US-made Boeings on flights to/from China and in that case PIA could use Tridents for China flights. This is the time( around 1966) that the Americans had placed an arms embargo on Pakistan after the 1965 war with India. The Pakistan Government wanted to teach the Americans a lesson. I read some where that Nur Khan was very much in favor of the Boeing purchase initially, but Ayub Khan overrode his recommendation.
Thanks for your points
Great Podcast Hats off to IRSHAD Ghani sahab and Tajwar Sahab every single moment of podcast is worth to listening. Being part of Irshad sahab team he is a dead honest and sincere person for Airline
Being an aviation family we love this Podcast welldone 👍
Very true. I bought a ticket from LHE-Istanbul-Los angeles through expedia.
Payment was processed but PIA staff called me and said there is no seat on the plane and they are not responsible for refund. Worst experience i ever had for air travel
Having direct PIA staff working in stations like Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, and Peshawar is quite normal most competitors have their own staff working in hubs, and non-hubs they have 3rd party contract services. This also helps with passengers experience in hubs as well - positive away. Typically 3rd party staff don't do the best job.
Salute for having such a ground breaking 2 episodes on PIA downfall. No channel would have done this. I am glad all 3 guest (part 1 and 2) came infront and shared the facts & true stories without any fear!!
Great work Host & Raftar Team. Kudos!!!!
1st step is to reduce foreign airline flights to Pakistan. One major problem with people of pakistan is dishonesty. If someone tries to reduce foreign airline flights to pakistan, they will bribe someone in Pakistan and get the approval despite of the orders.
Competition is always healthy. If their was no Emirates and Qatar airlines just imagine how pathetic the PIA service would be. They proof themselves with good service and capture the market while the PIA mentally was and still "Afsar Shahi" they don't care about service they consider themselves officers. I travelled with both PIA and Gulf airline their is a hell difference in services.
Competition is good for honest and competitive people. Dishonesty is the Killer of hardwork.@@azwaqar
We should also remove foreign phones, foreign cars, foreign brands.
We should all wear Qureshi Salwar Kameez
Everything should be done in moderation. Both extremes are never good.@@Health-Blitz
Eye opening.
Sadly, a culture of subservience and slavery, perhaps not in the literal sense, nevertheless, will never lead anywhere. My father was a pilot in PIA and came from the PAF. He flew for some 17 years before leaving for the US for good. He was so dissapointed and disgusted with the organization to the point that he even refused to talk about it in his later years.
سنتا جا شرماتا جا ۔۔۔۔۔ ان دو سابقہ اعلیٰ افسران کی گفتگو سے اندازہ ھوجاتا ھے کہ ہمارے ہاں PIA جیسے بڑے اداروں کو بھی کتنے ذاتی مفادات کیلئیے اور casual انداز میں چلایا جاتا ھے۔ میزبان کو مبارکباد جنہوں نے اتنی طویل گفتگو کو بھی کہیں بورنگ نہیں ھونے دیا۔
Unionism and nationalism by pp in 70s is the watershd for all sectors in Pakistan. People like the hosts here enjoyed full perks but did not give the company anythi g i return
Nice and interesting video 4 sure ✅️ 🇵🇰
India has an open sky policy since 1990.And for cargo it is since 1982, to boost/ facilitate trade, when we were busy in afghan war.
In India too Air India and Indian Airlines failed after private and international airlines started competing.
Air India ( In which Indian Airlines was amalgamated). was recently sold to Tatas.
Govt Babus and bureaucracy will never succeed in any type of business in any country. Period.
bhai hila diya, episode nay
We are a land of Parwaris in every state run affairs. PIA is a result of hiring corrupt and uncompetent people at every level. The result is a unsafe and bankrupt airline. Shut it down and use the saved money on welfare for the people.
You hit the nail with the hammer correctly
great host. elouqently plotted question in a very constinous timeline trying to touch up on as many topics as possible. Amazing.
As a patriotic Pakistani
Regardless of flaws and sometimes higher fair then other local airlines i still try to travel by Pia when ever possible .
This is the only part i can play for my airline.
Its sad to see Pia where it is right now whereas the potential of getting business for Pia is huge.
Thank you for your feedback.
it is high per seat employees ratio, world wide it is 120-145 employees, but during peja musharraf and ppp thieves times, thousands of employees were recruited by bribes and nepotism, he is bloddy brother in law that thief, he is son in law of that pig, he is uncle of that pig, or he has pais so many millions for this job, that was the merti for these recruitments, nawaz sharif refused to sleep with the mother of this video maker, that is the reason, he is having so much pain in his Gaa...d
I hope after viewing this program you will think before travelling on PIA.
44:26 - so rude.
Intihaai fazool host, itni sanjeeda talk r iska itna fazool behave, I really feel sorry for him.
Very good discussion. Though very sad...
PIA has a lot of issues, their booking system is very bad even I remember in 2000ish when they got new system, which was already deprecated system! but they paid huge money for that. Usually their tickets are way more expensive then very good flights, so how come passenger travl on it. I have done many travels using Etihad/Emirates and I always compare PIA was always expensive then these air lines. There are many time reports that flight was empty but on booking system there was no ticket available. I use to be transport manager in Karachi and I remember very well there were not seats but when our staff was travelling flight was 70% empty?? so how come your system show it fully booked. As for Airline yes once PIA was amazing flight I remember did one group from UK in 1999 and a big school group of UK came using PIA and they were doing transit from Pakistan. she told me PIA is their favourite flight and they always travel on it. So there was good name of PIA once, this is not true that they were only one but still it was good airline. Following they can do
1. manage standards of flights
2. Offer different rates like other airline do, if flight is empty low rate and later on increase rates
3. Nobody should allowed to delay flights
3. They must give option if no luggage very cheap flight, if luggage then expensive, meal should be also optional and if not taken give rebate.
There are many more things but first get rid of those expensive staff and their demanding things.
Ye aik dukhi program tha jis tarhan guest dukh k sath jawab de rahay thay kash anchor b agr thora dhemay lahjay me bat kartay to program ka impact or zada hota or dosra ye k anchor bilawaja k sawal karnay k bajai chup kar k suntay to zada acha hota
I have traveled with Orient airways before it became PIA under the leadership of Noor Khan. We in early days had options to fly using other international air lines like Pan Am , Lufthansa etc. PIA was the best airlines with par excellence in inflight and ground service operations with world's best trained pilots . In asia PIA was the first airlines to have conversions from Dakota to Jet Airlines. Mr host please refrain from making premature presumption on PIA of its early days. Most of your generation was not even born to witness the golden days of PIA. Today PIA has been destroyed by political interference and hiring every tom dick and harry..
I m retired Sr.officer served PIA from 1984 to 2022
Salman Javed was a soft person and President of SEAP, Irshad Ghani was Gen sec. Irshad beated by PIA officers in Head office on their salary nagociation
Irshad nothing knows about PIA
In fact PIA falls started when Waqar azeem was MD he purchased apple,s low quality computers, sold out DC10 Aircraft and purchased 747 from cp air
Thousands of employees inducted by Ghous Ali Shah and Jonejo
MLR 52 employees rejoined PIA by order of PPP Govt.
3500 employee more inducted from interior Sind by PPP Govt(Mpa Mna qouta)
3500 daily wages employees absorbed on pemenent post by order of PPP
The number of employees extended always by Govt.
After Noor khan and Asghar Khan only one person Arif Abbasi was a devoted person as MD
Trade unions promoted helpers as technicians Matric in arts peons are now technician and getting technical salary
Many more to say but i have no words to tell about PIA,s down fall.
May God help us. I feel this is the state of almost all state run institutions. Sadly the problem is so widely pervasive and involves such a huge number of individuals/groups/organizations involved that finding or implementing solutions would be a nightmare if not impossible.
Thank you for your feedback.
Shocking😲
Interviewer/anchor is skipping many vital comments, he should have completed his course's. Seems like a kid with no training at all. He should have realized that gentlemen sitting in front of him are seniors and most respectful.
So much informative
Free tickets to Senators, MNAs, MPAs, PMs, President, armed forces officers and personnel etc are another reason of PIA.s destruction, in addition to a huge number of retured employees of PIA and their families who get international air tickets as well as hotel stays.
Let us not forget. They are the ones who own the country so why won't they?
It is a positive input with the hope that the young generation may learn and accept the challenge
Nawaz sharif used to take pia planes around the world full flight with friends and family with him and he would take his driver his personal chef his cleaners and all for free
Any proof???
It's a confirmed fact that many times in order to accommodate their family, there was alternation done in setting of aircrafts. They are responsible for destroying the airline for personal gains.
@@mohammadayubhussain6694 you still want proof. Lolx ...